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| | | Author: | ToriHada  | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 10:07 | | Subject: | A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 348 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Open | | Vote: | [Yes|No] | |
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| Currently, anyone can open a store on BrickLink simply by confirming the email
address you provide when registering. The process is automatic with no human
intervention in the process other than the new seller. I suggest that when a
new member wishes to open a store, that store will not become open to all other
members until and unless Admin reviews and approves that store. In other words,
rather than allowing new sellers to open a store immediately on their own without
any prior review, Admin should step into this process before the store can open.
This should help catch SOME (but not all) scammers. 100% protection is not necessary.
Anything the helps reduce the number and frequency of new scammers is helpful.
Admin can usually tell when a store looks bogus or suspicious and can intervene
to require more information or assurances from the new seller before their store
is allowed to open. Admin also has access to a database of prior BL scammers
and other information about everyone who joins BL. Most new stores should quickly
pass this review and approval by Admin almost immediately. It is the ones that
raise red flags that Admin's intervention can put a brake on.
With only a handful of new stores opening each day, and the review process being
rather quick (no more than a few minutes per new store), this should not impose
any significant additional burden on Admin's time or barriers to entry for
new sellers. In fact, by catching scammers before they can scam, it may actually
save Admin some time.
Scammers have opened new stores on BrickLink many hundreds of times already over
the years. You would think by now it would be obvious that there is a need for
some human to step into the process for minimal prior screening of these new
sellers and stores. This common sense step is long overdue.
Thor
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| | | | | Author: | RobErNat | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 10:22 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 88 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | Currently, anyone can open a store on BrickLink simply by confirming the email
address you provide when registering. The process is automatic with no human
intervention in the process other than the new seller. I suggest that when a
new member wishes to open a store, that store will not become open to all other
members until and unless Admin reviews and approves that store. In other words,
rather than allowing new sellers to open a store immediately on their own without
any prior review, Admin should step into this process before the store can open.
This should help catch SOME (but not all) scammers. 100% protection is not necessary.
Anything the helps reduce the number and frequency of new scammers is helpful.
Admin can usually tell when a store looks bogus or suspicious and can intervene
to require more information or assurances from the new seller before their store
is allowed to open. Admin also has access to a database of prior BL scammers
and other information about everyone who joins BL. Most new stores should quickly
pass this review and approval by Admin almost immediately. It is the ones that
raise red flags that Admin's intervention can put a brake on.
With only a handful of new stores opening each day, and the review process being
rather quick (no more than a few minutes per new store), this should not impose
any significant additional burden on Admin's time or barriers to entry for
new sellers. In fact, by catching scammers before they can scam, it may actually
save Admin some time.
Scammers have opened new stores on BrickLink many hundreds of times already over
the years. You would think by now it would be obvious that there is a need for
some human to step into the process for minimal prior screening of these new
sellers and stores. This common sense step is long overdue.
Thor
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I support any idea that might slow down potential scammers, how it is done is
the sites perogative and duty to work it out. I'm not saying yes to this
particular suggestion, but also not 'no', as it is not our task to determine
'how' the site should be set up to prevent scammers to pop up to quickly,
with too many valuable items for sale. An automated system might still be an
option, particulary if a limitation on 'listed value' is put into place.
Now, we talk a lot about 'scam stores' here and by making suggestions
we try to help by offering 'options' to look at by the site, but I have
another question for you Foster:
What would need to be the reaction from the site, if a buyer turns out to be
a scammer or if there are repeated cases of NSS or Paypal claims against sellers
by a buyer? These kind of situations do exist, yet are hardly being talked about...
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| | | | | | | Author: | ToriHada | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 11:21 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
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I support any idea that might slow down potential scammers, how it is done is
the sites perogative and duty to work it out. I'm not saying yes to this
particular suggestion, but also not 'no', as it is not our task to determine
'how' the site should be set up to prevent scammers to pop up to quickly,
with too many valuable items for sale. An automated system might still be an
option, particulary if a limitation on 'listed value' is put into place.
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Understood. I like this idea because it does not require new seller deposits
or bonds, limiting sales or listings, turning BL into an escrow service or anything
else that may burden (most) new sellers. All it suggests is that Admin take a
look at new stores BEFORE they open rather than after problems arise. It is proactive
with minimal burdens on new sellers, except perhaps waiting a few hours or a
day or two for their store to be reviewed and approved. If warranted, Admin can
still ask any new seller for more information or for a deposit or limited listings
on a case-by-case basis.
| | Now, we talk a lot about 'scam stores' here and by making suggestions
we try to help by offering 'options' to look at by the site, but I have
another question for you Foster:
What would need to be the reaction from the site, if a buyer turns out to be
a scammer or if there are repeated cases of NSS or Paypal claims against sellers
by a buyer? These kind of situations do exist, yet are hardly being talked about...
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Gotta go now. The wife wants to surf. I will reply to this later.
Thor
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| | | | | | | Author: | ToriHada | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 22:55 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
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Now, we talk a lot about 'scam stores' here and by making suggestions
we try to help by offering 'options' to look at by the site, but I have
another question for you Foster:
What would need to be the reaction from the site, if a buyer turns out to be
a scammer or if there are repeated cases of NSS or Paypal claims against sellers
by a buyer? These kind of situations do exist, yet are hardly being talked about...
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This is certainly another problem that should be addressed by BrickLink. I think
BL already has tools in place to deal with most of these problem buyers. If a
buyer does not pay*, the NPB system can take care of that. If the buyer files
multiple bogus NSS claims, BL has the authority to ban the buyer. As for bogus
PayPal claims or multiple chargebacks, I already made suggestions to deal with
that:
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=475780
and
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=817702
For buyers who make duplicate accounts, I made these suggestions:
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=523696
and
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=522617
Some more good suggestions made by other members to deal with problem buyers
include:
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=482235
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=932387
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=916643
Thor
* NPBs do not necessarily mean the buyer is a scammer. But there have been a
few occasions where people have submitted multiple bogus orders for the sole
purpose of causing problems. The one I remmember had his buying privileges suspended
long before any NPBs were completed against him.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | bb620415 | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 23:07 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
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Now, we talk a lot about 'scam stores' here and by making suggestions
we try to help by offering 'options' to look at by the site, but I have
another question for you Foster:
What would need to be the reaction from the site, if a buyer turns out to be
a scammer or if there are repeated cases of NSS or Paypal claims against sellers
by a buyer? These kind of situations do exist, yet are hardly being talked about...
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This is certainly another problem that should be addressed by BrickLink. I think
BL already has tools in place to deal with most of these problem buyers. If a
buyer does not pay*, the NPB system can take care of that. If the buyer files
multiple bogus NSS claims, BL has the authority to ban the buyer. As for bogus
PayPal claims or multiple chargebacks, I already made suggestions to deal with
that:
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=475780
and
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=817702
For buyers who make duplicate accounts, I made these suggestions:
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=523696
and
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=522617
Some more good suggestions made by other members to deal with problem buyers
include:
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=482235
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=932387
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=916643
Thor
* NPBs do not necessarily mean the buyer is a scammer. But there have been a
few occasions where people have submitted multiple bogus orders for the sole
purpose of causing problems. The one I remmember had his buying privileges suspended
long before any NPBs were completed against him.SEE PEOPLE the TRUTH came out and the true colors the guy has cancelled all the comments someone sent by this user fosterbengoshi???? Now I see really WHO the SCAMMERS are on this site and bricklink and all the inside help will be shut down sooner than later. If all you can talk about is scammers your one yourself no getting around it!!
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | pdr507 | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 23:12 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Legopartguy writes:
| | In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
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Now, we talk a lot about 'scam stores' here and by making suggestions
we try to help by offering 'options' to look at by the site, but I have
another question for you Foster:
What would need to be the reaction from the site, if a buyer turns out to be
a scammer or if there are repeated cases of NSS or Paypal claims against sellers
by a buyer? These kind of situations do exist, yet are hardly being talked about...
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This is certainly another problem that should be addressed by BrickLink. I think
BL already has tools in place to deal with most of these problem buyers. If a
buyer does not pay*, the NPB system can take care of that. If the buyer files
multiple bogus NSS claims, BL has the authority to ban the buyer. As for bogus
PayPal claims or multiple chargebacks, I already made suggestions to deal with
that:
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=475780
and
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=817702
For buyers who make duplicate accounts, I made these suggestions:
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=523696
and
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=522617
Some more good suggestions made by other members to deal with problem buyers
include:
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=482235
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=932387
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=916643
Thor
* NPBs do not necessarily mean the buyer is a scammer. But there have been a
few occasions where people have submitted multiple bogus orders for the sole
purpose of causing problems. The one I remmember had his buying privileges suspended
long before any NPBs were completed against him.SEE PEOPLE the TRUTH came out and the true colors the guy has cancelled all the comments someone sent by this user fosterbengoshi???? Now I see really WHO the SCAMMERS are on this site and bricklink and all the inside help will be shut down sooner than later. If all you can talk about is scammers your one yourself no getting around it!!
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Actually, the posts were most likely cancelled due to the slur used in reference
to another member. Also, with these posts under this other account, you are pretty
much confirming the reason your other store name was called out - multiple previous
accounts that have been suspended for preventive action. If you were a legitimate
store, you would comply with what Admin is asking for on all of your other stores,
instead of just continuing to open up new ones once another is shut down.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | bb620415 | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 23:37 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, pdr507 writes:
| | In Suggestions, Legopartguy writes:
| | In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | it's so funny you all no how to run your jaws about a scammer ???? Let me tell you SCAMMERS no what SCAMMERS do you all like fosterbengoshi and so many more all that write on the forum are scammers??? How many others get on here and tell the truth get people removed because you all don't like them or like myself tell the truth and try to get someone who is clean on here from bricklink to see what you people have been doing for years???? You all rip people off and than you take the stolen items and put them on eBay or Amazon and when someone new come a long you get them removed so there you have it !!!! NOW THATS WHATScammers do like fosterbengoshi
Now, we talk a lot about 'scam stores' here and by making suggestions
we try to help by offering 'options' to look at by the site, but I have
another question for you Foster:
What would need to be the reaction from the site, if a buyer turns out to be
a scammer or if there are repeated cases of NSS or Paypal claims against sellers
by a buyer? These kind of situations do exist, yet are hardly being talked about...
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This is certainly another problem that should be addressed by BrickLink. I think
BL already has tools in place to deal with most of these problem buyers. If a
buyer does not pay*, the NPB system can take care of that. If the buyer files
multiple bogus NSS claims, BL has the authority to ban the buyer. As for bogus
PayPal claims or multiple chargebacks, I already made suggestions to deal with
that:
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=475780
and
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=817702
For buyers who make duplicate accounts, I made these suggestions:
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=523696
and
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=522617
Some more good suggestions made by other members to deal with problem buyers
include:
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=482235
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=932387
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=916643
Thor
* NPBs do not necessarily mean the buyer is a scammer. But there have been a
few occasions where people have submitted multiple bogus orders for the sole
purpose of causing problems. The one I remmember had his buying privileges suspended
long before any NPBs were completed against him.SEE PEOPLE the TRUTH came out and the true colors the guy has cancelled all the comments someone sent by this user fosterbengoshi???? Now I see really WHO the SCAMMERS are on this site and bricklink and all the inside help will be shut down sooner than later. If all you can talk about is scammers your one yourself no getting around it!!
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Actually, the posts were most likely cancelled due to the slur used in reference
to another member. Also, with these posts under this other account, you are pretty
much confirming the reason your other store name was called out - multiple previous
accounts that have been suspended for preventive action. If you were a legitimate
store, you would comply with what Admin is asking for on all of your other stores,
instead of just continuing to open up new ones once another is shut down.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | j7r7o7c7k7 | | Posted: | Sep 7, 2015 00:46 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Legopartguy writes:
| | In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
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Now, we talk a lot about 'scam stores' here and by making suggestions
we try to help by offering 'options' to look at by the site, but I have
another question for you Foster:
What would need to be the reaction from the site, if a buyer turns out to be
a scammer or if there are repeated cases of NSS or Paypal claims against sellers
by a buyer? These kind of situations do exist, yet are hardly being talked about...
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This is certainly another problem that should be addressed by BrickLink. I think
BL already has tools in place to deal with most of these problem buyers. If a
buyer does not pay*, the NPB system can take care of that. If the buyer files
multiple bogus NSS claims, BL has the authority to ban the buyer. As for bogus
PayPal claims or multiple chargebacks, I already made suggestions to deal with
that:
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=475780
and
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=817702
For buyers who make duplicate accounts, I made these suggestions:
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=523696
and
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=522617
Some more good suggestions made by other members to deal with problem buyers
include:
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=482235
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=932387
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=916643
Thor
* NPBs do not necessarily mean the buyer is a scammer. But there have been a
few occasions where people have submitted multiple bogus orders for the sole
purpose of causing problems. The one I remmember had his buying privileges suspended
long before any NPBs were completed against him.SEE PEOPLE the TRUTH came out and the true colors the guy has cancelled all the comments someone sent by this user fosterbengoshi???? Now I see really WHO the SCAMMERS are on this site and bricklink and all the inside help will be shut down sooner than later. If all you can talk about is scammers your one yourself no getting around it!!
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52???? 52 orders and you have not got 1 feedback??? HUMMMMMMMMMMMM
And you are still responding under other people post not to there post. Glad
you just keep point out more and more who you are.
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| | | | | Author: | edk | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 10:59 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | Currently, anyone can open a store on BrickLink simply by confirming the email
address you provide when registering. The process is automatic with no human
intervention in the process other than the new seller. I suggest that when a
new member wishes to open a store, that store will not become open to all other
members until and unless Admin reviews and approves that store. In other words,
rather than allowing new sellers to open a store immediately on their own without
any prior review, Admin should step into this process before the store can open.
This should help catch SOME (but not all) scammers. 100% protection is not necessary.
Anything the helps reduce the number and frequency of new scammers is helpful.
Admin can usually tell when a store looks bogus or suspicious and can intervene
to require more information or assurances from the new seller before their store
is allowed to open. Admin also has access to a database of prior BL scammers
and other information about everyone who joins BL. Most new stores should quickly
pass this review and approval by Admin almost immediately. It is the ones that
raise red flags that Admin's intervention can put a brake on.
With only a handful of new stores opening each day, and the review process being
rather quick (no more than a few minutes per new store), this should not impose
any significant additional burden on Admin's time or barriers to entry for
new sellers. In fact, by catching scammers before they can scam, it may actually
save Admin some time.
Scammers have opened new stores on BrickLink many hundreds of times already over
the years. You would think by now it would be obvious that there is a need for
some human to step into the process for minimal prior screening of these new
sellers and stores. This common sense step is long overdue.
Thor
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I have thought that some sort of a prepaid fee accessed (performance bond of
sorts) based on the price tag of the high priced sets that these scammers target
would deter them. But I am for any measure that may help so I vote yes. These
scam stores are easy to spot but unfortunately there are way too many people
who do not use common sense and let themselves get caught because they did not
want to miss the deal of a lifetime on that special set. Every time this happens
it is bad for Bricklink 's reputation. So something should really be done
to deter.
Ed
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| | | | | | | Author: | George_Lucy | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 11:51 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I have had two users on eBay for almost 15 years. One I use to sell on the other
I would use to buy on. Last year I started selling with the other account and
was surprised to find that since that account had never sold I had limits on
what I could sell. I called eBay and argued with them about it. Telling them
I had another account with almost 60,000 feedback. They could see that the two
accounts were linked but it still did not matter. So I had to list a little and
prove I was able to handle the selling and more important the customer service.
I have no limits on one account and still have limits on the other. They at least
try to limit the damage. I think the first limit was $2000.00 or 250 items. Also
if you list 10 of the same figure it counts as 10 items not 1 lot. They have
been slowly allowing me to list more as the account becomes more established
but they have been monitoring the account for over a year.
uggestions, edk writes:
| | In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | Currently, anyone can open a store on BrickLink simply by confirming the email
address you provide when registering. The process is automatic with no human
intervention in the process other than the new seller. I suggest that when a
new member wishes to open a store, that store will not become open to all other
members until and unless Admin reviews and approves that store. In other words,
rather than allowing new sellers to open a store immediately on their own without
any prior review, Admin should step into this process before the store can open.
This should help catch SOME (but not all) scammers. 100% protection is not necessary.
Anything the helps reduce the number and frequency of new scammers is helpful.
Admin can usually tell when a store looks bogus or suspicious and can intervene
to require more information or assurances from the new seller before their store
is allowed to open. Admin also has access to a database of prior BL scammers
and other information about everyone who joins BL. Most new stores should quickly
pass this review and approval by Admin almost immediately. It is the ones that
raise red flags that Admin's intervention can put a brake on.
With only a handful of new stores opening each day, and the review process being
rather quick (no more than a few minutes per new store), this should not impose
any significant additional burden on Admin's time or barriers to entry for
new sellers. In fact, by catching scammers before they can scam, it may actually
save Admin some time.
Scammers have opened new stores on BrickLink many hundreds of times already over
the years. You would think by now it would be obvious that there is a need for
some human to step into the process for minimal prior screening of these new
sellers and stores. This common sense step is long overdue.
Thor
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I have thought that some sort of a prepaid fee accessed (performance bond of
sorts) based on the price tag of the high priced sets that these scammers target
would deter them. But I am for any measure that may help so I vote yes. These
scam stores are easy to spot but unfortunately there are way too many people
who do not use common sense and let themselves get caught because they did not
want to miss the deal of a lifetime on that special set. Every time this happens
it is bad for Bricklink 's reputation. So something should really be done
to deter.
Ed
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | tEoS | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 11:59 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I've been a member for 15 years and have a 100 item or $5000 per month limit,
however I was inactive as a seller for a long while.
In Suggestions, George_Lucy writes:
| | I have had two users on eBay for almost 15 years. One I use to sell on the other
I would use to buy on. Last year I started selling with the other account and
was surprised to find that since that account had never sold I had limits on
what I could sell. I called eBay and argued with them about it. Telling them
I had another account with almost 60,000 feedback. They could see that the two
accounts were linked but it still did not matter. So I had to list a little and
prove I was able to handle the selling and more important the customer service.
I have no limits on one account and still have limits on the other. They at least
try to limit the damage. I think the first limit was $2000.00 or 250 items. Also
if you list 10 of the same figure it counts as 10 items not 1 lot. They have
been slowly allowing me to list more as the account becomes more established
but they have been monitoring the account for over a year.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Zixx | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 12:10 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Has been mentioned before but why not a fee ($10-20) as an initial fee to open
a store. Maybe divided to 2 fees--one lower and one higher--based on
inventory of parts or sets. Then that amount is used toward your selling fees.
Or even a small monthly fee.
Anyone think that would slow scammer stores down any?
In Suggestions, tEoS writes:
| | I've been a member for 15 years and have a 100 item or $5000 per month limit,
however I was inactive as a seller for a long while.
In Suggestions, George_Lucy writes:
| | I have had two users on eBay for almost 15 years. One I use to sell on the other
I would use to buy on. Last year I started selling with the other account and
was surprised to find that since that account had never sold I had limits on
what I could sell. I called eBay and argued with them about it. Telling them
I had another account with almost 60,000 feedback. They could see that the two
accounts were linked but it still did not matter. So I had to list a little and
prove I was able to handle the selling and more important the customer service.
I have no limits on one account and still have limits on the other. They at least
try to limit the damage. I think the first limit was $2000.00 or 250 items. Also
if you list 10 of the same figure it counts as 10 items not 1 lot. They have
been slowly allowing me to list more as the account becomes more established
but they have been monitoring the account for over a year.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | RobErNat | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 12:33 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Zixx writes:
| | Has been mentioned before but why not a fee ($10-20) as an initial fee to open
a store. Maybe divided to 2 fees--one lower and one higher--based on
inventory of parts or sets. Then that amount is used toward your selling fees.
Or even a small monthly fee.
Anyone think that would slow scammer stores down any?
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I doubt, if I were a scammer aiming for $1000-$10000 in just a few days, I wouldn't
give a damn about 'investing' $10-20  I would need to 'fund'
it somehow, but that could be done in dozens of ways, without any form of control
(particulary on Paypal) as the amount is too small.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 12:49 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | In Suggestions, Zixx writes:
| | Has been mentioned before but why not a fee ($10-20) as an initial fee to open
a store. Maybe divided to 2 fees--one lower and one higher--based on
inventory of parts or sets. Then that amount is used toward your selling fees.
Or even a small monthly fee.
Anyone think that would slow scammer stores down any?
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I doubt, if I were a scammer aiming for $1000-$10000 in just a few days, I wouldn't
give a damn about 'investing' $10-20 I would need to 'fund'
it somehow, but that could be done in dozens of ways, without any form of control
(particulary on Paypal) as the amount is too small.
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Agreed. I would wonder about escrow account or someone who could act as an
intermediary between the seller and the buyer for new stores that have a certain
amount of inventory in dollars. If someones scams 10-20 dollars, that is the
chance we take on the internet. Thousands of dollars is another matter. I also
tend to wonder what buyers are thinking when they spend a lot of money at a brand
new store.
I also really wonder what amount of money would need to be scammed before the
FBI takes an interest in it. "Hi FBI, I was scammed for 50 dollars, can you
stop following the drug dealers and the investigating of alleged terrorists to
help me get my $50 back? Oh yes, put off looking for the top ten on you wanted
list."
John P
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| | | | | Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 12:50 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | Currently, anyone can open a store on BrickLink simply by confirming the email
address you provide when registering. The process is automatic with no human
intervention in the process other than the new seller. I suggest that when a
new member wishes to open a store, that store will not become open to all other
members until and unless Admin reviews and approves that store. In other words,
rather than allowing new sellers to open a store immediately on their own without
any prior review, Admin should step into this process before the store can open.
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This would even be beneficial if there as no "review" at all. Just a manual acceptance.
At 9 am when the help desk arrives, they click a button and all the stores that
had been submitted since the previous evening get approved and they open for
business. It would prevent (or minimize) the situation we have right now, where
three days will go by without someone being available to address concerns about
a store.
--
Marc.
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| | | | | | | Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 16:52 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | Currently, anyone can open a store on BrickLink simply by confirming the email
address you provide when registering. The process is automatic with no human
intervention in the process other than the new seller. I suggest that when a
new member wishes to open a store, that store will not become open to all other
members until and unless Admin reviews and approves that store. In other words,
rather than allowing new sellers to open a store immediately on their own without
any prior review, Admin should step into this process before the store can open.
|
This would even be beneficial if there as no "review" at all. Just a manual acceptance.
At 9 am when the help desk arrives, they click a button and all the stores that
had been submitted since the previous evening get approved and they open for
business. It would prevent (or minimize) the situation we have right now, where
three days will go by without someone being available to address concerns about
a store.
--
Marc.
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They should take the button home with them and press it from there.
John P
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| | | | | Author: | Captain_Q | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 17:39 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| TRUSTED SELLERS SETTING:
The admins should create a new setting for everybody that only items from trusted
sellers are visible. A trusted seller being a person with at least 5, maybe 10
positive feedback.
They could create a toggle setting for on or off with default set to on. So
newbies wont know about it till they look around and so scammers can't prey
on them initially.
It can be turned off by an experienced buyer who knows what to look out for.
Hopefully this will at least turn away the lazy scammers not willing to build
up feedback.
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| | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 18:10 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| There are two problems: 1. new sellers have to start somewhere, if they can't
sell, they cannot get selling feedback. 2. If BL refers to a user as a trusted
seller, then a user that is later scammed may have a claim against BL, for indicating
that the seller was to be trusted.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 18:22 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, mabccc writes:
| | There are two problems: 1. new sellers have to start somewhere, if they can't
sell, they cannot get selling feedback. 2. If BL refers to a user as a trusted
seller, then a user that is later scammed may have a claim against BL, for indicating
that the seller was to be trusted.
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I think an old suggestion of mine would be that sellers and buyers cannot sell
or buy until they have five positive feedbacks.
John P
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | PaulOfBricks | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 19:16 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, legoman77 writes:
| | In Suggestions, mabccc writes:
| | There are two problems: 1. new sellers have to start somewhere, if they can't
sell, they cannot get selling feedback. 2. If BL refers to a user as a trusted
seller, then a user that is later scammed may have a claim against BL, for indicating
that the seller was to be trusted.
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I think an old suggestion of mine would be that sellers and buyers cannot sell
or buy until they have five positive feedbacks.
John P
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I have noticed quite a few obvious 'fake stores' this week which brought
me here and glad to see others have noticed too. I like a lot of the ideas mentioned
here. Mainly the limited account which increases in allowed $$$ sales over time.
I also like the idea of having feedback from buying first maybe 20 or even 50.
It will at least reduce a percentage scammers,
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Pokernut | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 20:47 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, PaulOfBricks writes:
| | In Suggestions, legoman77 writes:
| | In Suggestions, mabccc writes:
| | There are two problems: 1. new sellers have to start somewhere, if they can't
sell, they cannot get selling feedback. 2. If BL refers to a user as a trusted
seller, then a user that is later scammed may have a claim against BL, for indicating
that the seller was to be trusted.
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I think an old suggestion of mine would be that sellers and buyers cannot sell
or buy until they have five positive feedbacks.
John P
|
I have noticed quite a few obvious 'fake stores' this week which brought
me here and glad to see others have noticed too. I like a lot of the ideas mentioned
here. Mainly the limited account which increases in allowed $$$ sales over time.
I also like the idea of having feedback from buying first maybe 20 or even 50.
It will at least reduce a percentage scammers,
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While I can go along with the feedback % thing, I would hate a large % being
required ( 50 positives could take approx 65 orders to get, due to the buyers
that don't leave feedback).
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | j7r7o7c7k7 | | Posted: | Sep 7, 2015 00:53 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, PaulOfBricks writes:
| | In Suggestions, legoman77 writes:
| | In Suggestions, mabccc writes:
| | There are two problems: 1. new sellers have to start somewhere, if they can't
sell, they cannot get selling feedback. 2. If BL refers to a user as a trusted
seller, then a user that is later scammed may have a claim against BL, for indicating
that the seller was to be trusted.
|
I think an old suggestion of mine would be that sellers and buyers cannot sell
or buy until they have five positive feedbacks.
John P
|
I have noticed quite a few obvious 'fake stores' this week which brought
me here and glad to see others have noticed too. I like a lot of the ideas mentioned
here. Mainly the limited account which increases in allowed $$$ sales over time.
I also like the idea of having feedback from buying first maybe 20 or even 50.
It will at least reduce a percentage scammers,
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I am not a big fan of this idea here. The feedback part. I have been on the is
since june 18 2011, got my first feedback july 19 that year. I didn't get
my first buying feedback until March 7 2015! Almost 4 years later. And I still
to this day only have place 3 buying orders. So even though I am legit I would
still be under 20, or even 10 or 5! For almost 4 years about 60 or so feedback
I had never bought anything on here. If I was made to order 20 time before I
could sell I mostly wouldn't be selling on here now. Also if this was a thing
put in place easy to get around. Place 20 $5 orders. $100 to create a scam that
will bring in 1,000's is nothing.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Captain_Q | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 18:26 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, mabccc writes:
| | There are two problems:
1. new sellers have to start somewhere, if they can't sell, they cannot get selling feedback.
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They can earn feedback from experienced buyers ( the majority of the current
users I would say) who would toggle the setting to off.
and
also from buying. A scammer won't waste time to buy.
| | 2. If BL refers to a user as a trusted seller, then a user that is later scammed may have a claim against BL, for indicating
that the seller was to be trusted.
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Ok change the label to something different - "Sellers with Feedback of 5 or
more"
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| | | | | | | Author: | j7r7o7c7k7 | | Posted: | Sep 7, 2015 00:57 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, QCHUCKA writes:
| | TRUSTED SELLERS SETTING:
The admins should create a new setting for everybody that only items from trusted
sellers are visible. A trusted seller being a person with at least 5, maybe 10
positive feedback.
They could create a toggle setting for on or off with default set to on. So
newbies wont know about it till they look around and so scammers can't prey
on them initially.
It can be turned off by an experienced buyer who knows what to look out for.
Hopefully this will at least turn away the lazy scammers not willing to build
up feedback.
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The lazy ones maybe. But what about like the sellers on Chinese sellers on ebay.
They sell the $1-2 beads rack up 100 feedback and then drop the $500-$1500 items
on there and sell 100's of them before they are shut down. Again whats a
couple hundred bucks when you will rake in $50-$100K!
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 18:13 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Wouldn't there be an easy cheat, where the new seller just loads up some
junk used parts at average prices, gets validated, then lists the scams.
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| | | | | Author: | Pokernut | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 18:38 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Could a new store not be " limited " to use PayPal as the only accepted medium
for payment?.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Geniac | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 18:43 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Pokernut writes:
| | Could a new store not be " limited " to use PayPal as the only accepted medium
for payment?.
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I was thinking about that, but how could that be enforced?
Shaun
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Pokernut | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 20:36 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Geniac writes:
| | In Suggestions, Pokernut writes:
| | Could a new store not be " limited " to use PayPal as the only accepted medium
for payment?.
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I was thinking about that, but how could that be enforced?
Shaun
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I don't know. Possibly a flag on new stores opening that dont accept PP at
all ( but list other payment mediums ). Possibly a part of store registration
" paperwork " that asks you to list your accepted payment mediums. No PayPal,
no store.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 21:05 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Geniac writes:
| | In Suggestions, Pokernut writes:
| | Could a new store not be " limited " to use PayPal as the only accepted medium
for payment?.
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I was thinking about that, but how could that be enforced?
Shaun
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Fairly simply -- only allow that option to be added (Paypal On Site payments)
for new sellers.
--
Marc.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Geniac | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 21:11 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, Geniac writes:
| | In Suggestions, Pokernut writes:
| | Could a new store not be " limited " to use PayPal as the only accepted medium
for payment?.
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I was thinking about that, but how could that be enforced?
Shaun
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Fairly simply -- only allow that option to be added (Paypal On Site payments)
for new sellers.
--
Marc.
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True...but couldn't a scammer just put something in his store terms saying,
"I also accept cash, money orders, Western Union..."? And oh gee, PayPal doesn't
seem to be working, how about this payment method...?
I do like the idea if it could be enforced. 
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | FigBits | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 21:47 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Geniac writes:
| | In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, Geniac writes:
| | In Suggestions, Pokernut writes:
| | Could a new store not be " limited " to use PayPal as the only accepted medium
for payment?.
|
I was thinking about that, but how could that be enforced?
Shaun
|
Fairly simply -- only allow that option to be added (Paypal On Site payments)
for new sellers.
--
Marc.
|
True...but couldn't a scammer just put something in his store terms saying,
"I also accept cash, money orders, Western Union..."? And oh gee, PayPal doesn't
seem to be working, how about this payment method...?
I do like the idea if it could be enforced.
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Except that Paypal *will* be working. When a store has On-Site Paypal as the
payment type, there is automatically a "Pay" link in several places. They buyer
just needs to click that, and they are paying by Paypal.
--
Marc.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | pdr507 | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 22:05 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Javachip72 writes:
| | In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, Geniac writes:
| | In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, Geniac writes:
| | In Suggestions, Pokernut writes:
| | Could a new store not be " limited " to use PayPal as the only accepted medium
for payment?.
|
I was thinking about that, but how could that be enforced?
Shaun
|
Fairly simply -- only allow that option to be added (Paypal On Site payments)
for new sellers.
--
Marc.
|
True...but couldn't a scammer just put something in his store terms saying,
"I also accept cash, money orders, Western Union..."? And oh gee, PayPal doesn't
seem to be working, how about this payment method...?
I do like the idea if it could be enforced.
|
Except that Paypal *will* be working. When a store has On-Site Paypal as the
payment type, there is automatically a "Pay" link in several places. They buyer
just needs to click that, and they are paying by Paypal.
--In Problem, fosterbengoshi writes:
In Problem, QCHUCKA writes:
| | I have an idea I want to pitch. Ok a single vigilante is frowned upon, as Thor
pointed out that is too much power for one person to have. But how about as
a group?
What do people think about voting on scammer stores to have their inventory bought
out. Say someone spots a suspicious store like 72chipjava and proposes that we
vote on buying his inventory out. If we get mostly yes votes totaling over 10
or so then we act on it and buy his inventory so no one gets screwed out of their
money.
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I think this is a horrible idea. Instead of one vigilante you want a gang of
vigilantes? If it is wrong for one vigilante to do this why is it OK for ten
vigilantes to do this?
I don't like this sort of mob mentality. I have seen innocent people wrongly
accused by mobs here in the forum and elsewhere.
IT IS NOT OUR JOB TO BE SELF-APPOINTED POLICEMEN SHUTTING DOWN STORES MERELY
BECAUSE WE THINK THEY ARE SUSPICIOUS. THAT IS BRICKLINK'S JOB. Our job is
to report suspected wrongdoing. It is then up to BrickLink to take action IF
THEY FEEL ACTION IS WARRANTED. BrickLink has more information than we do. We
should also keep encouraging BrickLink to take more proactive members.
I know it is frustrating that BL often appears slow to act. But did you ever
think that rather than being slow to act BL already reviewed the store in question
and found nothing to warrant closure? BL does not announce the results of these
reviews. So how do we know BL did not already check out the store in question?
Don't automatically assume BL is not acting and that you can therefore act
on your own.
Thor fosterbengoshi u little [...] surfer boy you are having all your buddy's on bricklink buy my items to damage our account so your the SCAMMER HERE punk.. Everyone listen here I have 10 orders who every buyer has just showed me that this clown and all his buddy's are the SCAMMERS!!! See there so worried about new buyers than why in the hell you opening up so many different accounts and buying items from me and leaving bad feedback???? Everyone email me I have the list of names of all these clowns !! See if you want to stop the scammers you have to stop yourself before it will stop that's the way it works . See being a scammer and a follower it's a chain reaction. I have 100% PROOF you people are the SCAMMERS I will be plastering it all over the web !! If you people would use your damn heads and worry about yourself and not others you might do much better???? See if you no how scammers work you must be one yourself proven fact.
Marc.
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1. Thor was speaking AGAINST that sort of activity
2. That was in a different thread, and there is no need to post the same exact
response this many times
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | bb527123 | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 22:10 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Javachip72 writes:
| | In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, Geniac writes:
| | In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
| | In Suggestions, Geniac writes:
| | In Suggestions, Pokernut writes:
| | Could a new store not be " limited " to use PayPal as the only accepted medium
for payment?.
|
I was thinking about that, but how could that be enforced?
Shaun
|
Fairly simply -- only allow that option to be added (Paypal On Site payments)
for new sellers.
--
Marc.
|
True...but couldn't a scammer just put something in his store terms saying,
"I also accept cash, money orders, Western Union..."? And oh gee, PayPal doesn't
seem to be working, how about this payment method...?
I do like the idea if it could be enforced.
|
Except that Paypal *will* be working. When a store has On-Site Paypal as the
payment type, there is automatically a "Pay" link in several places. They buyer
just needs to click that, and they are paying by Paypal.
In Problem, fosterbengoshi writes:
In Problem, QCHUCKA writes:
| | I have an idea I want to pitch. Ok a single vigilante is frowned upon, as Thor
pointed out that is too much power for one person to have. But how about as
a group?
What do people think about voting on scammer stores to have their inventory bought
out. Say someone spots a suspicious store like 72chipjava and proposes that we
vote on buying his inventory out. If we get mostly yes votes totaling over 10
or so then we act on it and buy his inventory so no one gets screwed out of their
money.
|
I think this is a horrible idea. Instead of one vigilante you want a gang of
vigilantes? If it is wrong for one vigilante to do this why is it OK for ten
vigilantes to do this?
I don't like this sort of mob mentality. I have seen innocent people wrongly
accused by mobs here in the forum and elsewhere.
IT IS NOT OUR JOB TO BE SELF-APPOINTED POLICEMEN SHUTTING DOWN STORES MERELY
BECAUSE WE THINK THEY ARE SUSPICIOUS. THAT IS BRICKLINK'S JOB. Our job is
to report suspected wrongdoing. It is then up to BrickLink to take action IF
THEY FEEL ACTION IS WARRANTED. BrickLink has more information than we do. We
should also keep encouraging BrickLink to take more proactive members.
I know it is frustrating that BL often appears slow to act. But did you ever
think that rather than being slow to act BL already reviewed the store in question
and found nothing to warrant closure? BL does not announce the results of these
reviews. So how do we know BL did not already check out the store in question?
Don't automatically assume BL is not acting and that you can therefore act
on your own.
Thor fosterbengoshi u little homo surfer boy you are having all your buddy's on bricklink buy my items to damage our account so your the SCAMMER HERE punk.. Everyone listen here I have 10 orders who every buyer has just showed me that this clown and all his buddy's are the SCAMMERS!!! See there so worried about new buyers than why in the hell you opening up so many different accounts and buying items from me and leaving bad feedback???? Everyone email me I have the list of names of all these clowns !! See if you want to stop the scammers you have to stop yourself before it will stop that's the way it works . See being a scammer and a follower it's a chain reaction. I have 100% PROOF you people are the SCAMMERS I will be plastering it all over the web !! If you people would use your damn heads and worry about yourself and not others you might do much better???? See if you no how scammers work you must be one yourself proven fact.
--
Marc.
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Bricklink doesn't even pay for full time admins to add sets to the catalog
which then sellers can list pieces then bl collects their fees. So the odds of
them paying someone to monitor every new store set up us never going to happen.
Im sure they could finding some volunteers willing to do it for free though!!
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| | | | | Author: | Geniac | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 18:40 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | Currently, anyone can open a store on BrickLink simply by confirming the email
address you provide when registering. The process is automatic with no human
intervention in the process other than the new seller. I suggest that when a
new member wishes to open a store, that store will not become open to all other
members until and unless Admin reviews and approves that store. In other words,
rather than allowing new sellers to open a store immediately on their own without
any prior review, Admin should step into this process before the store can open.
This should help catch SOME (but not all) scammers. 100% protection is not necessary.
Anything the helps reduce the number and frequency of new scammers is helpful.
Admin can usually tell when a store looks bogus or suspicious and can intervene
to require more information or assurances from the new seller before their store
is allowed to open. Admin also has access to a database of prior BL scammers
and other information about everyone who joins BL. Most new stores should quickly
pass this review and approval by Admin almost immediately. It is the ones that
raise red flags that Admin's intervention can put a brake on.
With only a handful of new stores opening each day, and the review process being
rather quick (no more than a few minutes per new store), this should not impose
any significant additional burden on Admin's time or barriers to entry for
new sellers. In fact, by catching scammers before they can scam, it may actually
save Admin some time.
Scammers have opened new stores on BrickLink many hundreds of times already over
the years. You would think by now it would be obvious that there is a need for
some human to step into the process for minimal prior screening of these new
sellers and stores. This common sense step is long overdue.
Thor
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I'm starting to think what others have suggested about value limits until
a certain amount of time AND feedback is reached may be the best way.
I've had a PayPal account for years, but I started a new one to use just
for BrickLink to keep it separate from my general usage. I provided PayPal with
all the info required, got verified, etc. But there is still a temporary hold
on the money that is received as payments (up to 21 days). I think I have to
reach two milestones...a certain number of sales with no issues (which has been
met) and a certain amount of time with no issues (60 days, I think, which I'm
still in).
It is a slight inconvenience, true, but only a slight one. Because I am legit,
I don't mind proving myself in that time period. I don't think that
anyone who is serious about starting a store would be put off by temporary restrictions.
Besides, it seems like many (most?) folks who are just starting out are slowly
building their inventory anyway.
I think the time limit is important, regardless of how much feedback you receive.
A scammer could quickly do several legit deals on small stuff to just get that
limit taken off. But a set time limit...30 or even 60 days...would most likely
tie them up too long to make it worthwhile.
Shaun
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| | | | | | | Author: | ToriHada | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 21:21 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Geniac writes:
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I'm starting to think what others have suggested about value limits until
a certain amount of time AND feedback is reached may be the best way.
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This suggestion is not meant to take the place of other measures to combat scams.
It is not an either/or proposition. It is going to take a combination of several
measures to make a significant reduction in scammers. No one suggestion will
work on its own. And no one suggestion will be foolproof. But combine this suggestion
with one or more of the other suggestions that have been made, and I think we
can kiss goodbye at least 90% of the scammers.
Thor
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Geniac | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 21:24 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, Geniac writes:
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I'm starting to think what others have suggested about value limits until
a certain amount of time AND feedback is reached may be the best way.
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This suggestion is not meant to take the place of other measures to combat scams.
It is not an either/or proposition. It is going to take a combination of several
measures to make a significant reduction in scammers. No one suggestion will
work on its own. And no one suggestion will be foolproof. But combine this suggestion
with one or more of the other suggestions that have been made, and I think we
can kiss goodbye at least 90% of the scammers.
Thor
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Sure, but it's a good starting point. I also like someone's suggest from
another thread about doing more to educate buyers. Make buyers more savvy and
make it more inconvenient for scammers.
Now to get the powers that be to listen...
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | ylekram | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 21:32 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, Geniac writes:
| |
I'm starting to think what others have suggested about value limits until
a certain amount of time AND feedback is reached may be the best way.
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This suggestion is not meant to take the place of other measures to combat scams.
It is not an either/or proposition. It is going to take a combination of several
measures to make a significant reduction in scammers. No one suggestion will
work on its own. And no one suggestion will be foolproof. But combine this suggestion
with one or more of the other suggestions that have been made, and I think we
can kiss goodbye at least 90% of the scammers.
Thor
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hello, I have never posted on this forum before, but I buy a lot of lego here.
I am a little ashamed to admit,72chipjava got me for a few hundred dollars. as
soon as I found out he was a scammer, apparently well after most on this forum
knew, I felt obligated to do something,besides get my money back. I left him
- feedback stating that he was a scammer and purchased all his remaining minifigures,
to help stop another innocent buyer get robbed. very surprised to see I was the
only one to do so. I received 5 emails from people asking me what my problem
was with the seller. people do read the feedback. if the administration cant
or wont shut them down, its up to the bricklink community to do so. its kind
of just sitting back and letting it happen, which is bs.
on a lighter note, here was mr scumbags response to me when I bought the remainder
of his figures. I thought it was a little funny
Hi Mark, thank for the big order our club & the kids are so happy you can help
us out. After church this morning the kiddos are going to pack your order !
Again thank you so much from canyon lake Lego club. Jennifer,Shelly ,Ryan and
the rest of us.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | bb620415 | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 21:54 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | ylekram | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 22:09 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Javachip72 writes:
| | In Suggestions, ylekram writes:
| | In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, Geniac writes:
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I'm starting to think what others have suggested about value limits until
a certain amount of time AND feedback is reached may be the best way.
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This suggestion is not meant to take the place of other measures to combat scams.
It is not an either/or proposition. It is going to take a combination of several
measures to make a significant reduction in scammers. No one suggestion will
work on its own. And no one suggestion will be foolproof. But combine this suggestion
with one or more of the other suggestions that have been made, and I think we
can kiss goodbye at least 90% of the scammers.
Thor
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hello, I have never posted on this forum before, but I buy a lot of lego here.
I am a little ashamed to admit,72chipjava got me for a few hundred dollars. as
soon as I found out he was a scammer, apparently well after most on this forum
knew, I felt obligated to do something,besides get my money back. I left him
- feedback stating that he was a scammer and purchased all his remaining minifigures,
to help stop another innocent buyer get robbed. very surprised to see I was the
only one to do so. I received 5 emails from people asking me what my problem
was with the seller. people do read the feedback. if the administration cant
or wont shut them down, its up to the bricklink community to do so. its kind
of just sitting back and letting it happen, which is bs.
on a lighter note, here was mr scumbags response to me when I bought the remainder
of his figures. I thought it was a little funny
Hi Mark, thank for the big order our club & the kids are so happy you can help
us out. After church this morning the kiddos are going to pack your order !
Again thank you so much from canyon lake Lego club. Jennifer,Shelly ,Ryan and
the rest of us.In Problem, fosterbengoshi writes:
In Problem, QCHUCKA writes:
| | I have an idea I want to pitch. Ok a single vigilante is frowned upon, as Thor
pointed out that is too much power for one person to have. But how about as
a group?
What do people think about voting on scammer stores to have their inventory bought
out. Say someone spots a suspicious store like 72chipjava and proposes that we
vote on buying his inventory out. If we get mostly yes votes totaling over 10
or so then we act on it and buy his inventory so no one gets screwed out of their
money.
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I think this is a horrible idea. Instead of one vigilante you want a gang of
vigilantes? If it is wrong for one vigilante to do this why is it OK for ten
vigilantes to do this?
I don't like this sort of mob mentality. I have seen innocent people wrongly
accused by mobs here in the forum and elsewhere.
IT IS NOT OUR JOB TO BE SELF-APPOINTED POLICEMEN SHUTTING DOWN STORES MERELY
BECAUSE WE THINK THEY ARE SUSPICIOUS. THAT IS BRICKLINK'S JOB. Our job is
to report suspected wrongdoing. It is then up to BrickLink to take action IF
THEY FEEL ACTION IS WARRANTED. BrickLink has more information than we do. We
should also keep encouraging BrickLink to take more proactive members.
I know it is frustrating that BL often appears slow to act. But did you ever
think that rather than being slow to act BL already reviewed the store in question
and found nothing to warrant closure? BL does not announce the results of these
reviews. So how do we know BL did not already check out the store in question?
Don't automatically assume BL is not acting and that you can therefore act
on your own.
Thor fosterbengoshi u little homo surfer boy you are having all your buddy's on bricklink buy my items to damage our account so your the SCAMMER HERE punk.. Everyone listen here I have 10 orders who every buyer has just showed me that this clown and all his buddy's are the SCAMMERS!!! See there so worried about new buyers than why in the hell you opening up so many different accounts and buying items from me and leaving bad feedback???? Everyone email me I have the list of names of all these clowns !! See if you want to stop the scammers you have to stop yourself before it will stop that's the way it works . See being a scammer and a follower it's a chain reaction. I have 100% PROOF you people are the SCAMMERS I will be plastering it all over the web !! If you people would use your damn heads and worry about yourself and not others you might do much better???? See if you no how scammers work you must be one yourself proven fact.
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doesn't sound like church going language to me
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | bb620415 | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 23:39 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, ylekram writes:
| | In Suggestions, Javachip72 writes:
| | In Suggestions, ylekram writes:In Suggestions, pdr507 writes:
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In Suggestions, Legopartguy writes:
| | In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | it's so funny you all no how to run your jaws about a scammer ???? Let me tell you SCAMMERS no what SCAMMERS do you all like fosterbengoshi and so many more all that write on the forum are scammers??? How many others get on here and tell the truth get people removed because you all don't like them or like myself tell the truth and try to get someone who is clean on here from bricklink to see what you people have been doing for years???? You all rip people off and than you take the stolen items and put them on eBay or Amazon and when someone new come a long you get them removed so there you have it !!!! NOW THATS WHATScammers do like fosterbengoshi
Now, we talk a lot about 'scam stores' here and by making suggestions
we try to help by offering 'options' to look at by the site, but I have
another question for you Foster:
What would need to be the reaction from the site, if a buyer turns out to be
a scammer or if there are repeated cases of NSS or Paypal claims against sellers
by a buyer? These kind of situations do exist, yet are hardly being talked about...
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This is certainly another problem that should be addressed by BrickLink. I think
BL already has tools in place to deal with most of these problem buyers. If a
buyer does not pay*, the NPB system can take care of that. If the buyer files
multiple bogus NSS claims, BL has the authority to ban the buyer. As for bogus
PayPal claims or multiple chargebacks, I already made suggestions to deal with
that:
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=475780
and
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=817702
For buyers who make duplicate accounts, I made these suggestions:
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=523696
and
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=522617
Some more good suggestions made by other members to deal with problem buyers
include:
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=482235
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=932387
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=916643
Thor
* NPBs do not necessarily mean the buyer is a scammer. But there have been a
few occasions where people have submitted multiple bogus orders for the sole
purpose of causing problems. The one I remmember had his buying privileges suspended
long before any NPBs were completed against him.SEE PEOPLE the TRUTH came out and the true colors the guy has cancelled all the comments someone sent by this user fosterbengoshi???? Now I see really WHO the SCAMMERS are on this site and bricklink and all the inside help will be shut down sooner than later. If all you can talk about is scammers your one yourself no getting around it!!
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Actually, the posts were most likely cancelled due to the slur used in reference
to another member. Also, with these posts under this other account, you are pretty
much confirming the reason your other store name was called out - multiple previous
accounts that have been suspended for preventive action. If you were a legitimate
store, you would comply with what Admin is asking for on all of your other stores,
instead of just continuing to open up new ones once another is shut down.
| | | | In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, Geniac writes:
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I'm starting to think what others have suggested about value limits until
a certain amount of time AND feedback is reached may be the best way.
|
This suggestion is not meant to take the place of other measures to combat scams.
It is not an either/or proposition. It is going to take a combination of several
measures to make a significant reduction in scammers. No one suggestion will
work on its own. And no one suggestion will be foolproof. But combine this suggestion
with one or more of the other suggestions that have been made, and I think we
can kiss goodbye at least 90% of the scammers.
Thor
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hello, I have never posted on this forum before, but I buy a lot of lego here.
I am a little ashamed to admit,72chipjava got me for a few hundred dollars. as
soon as I found out he was a scammer, apparently well after most on this forum
knew, I felt obligated to do something,besides get my money back. I left him
- feedback stating that he was a scammer and purchased all his remaining minifigures,
to help stop another innocent buyer get robbed. very surprised to see I was the
only one to do so. I received 5 emails from people asking me what my problem
was with the seller. people do read the feedback. if the administration cant
or wont shut them down, its up to the bricklink community to do so. its kind
of just sitting back and letting it happen, which is bs.
on a lighter note, here was mr scumbags response to me when I bought the remainder
of his figures. I thought it was a little funny
Hi Mark, thank for the big order our club & the kids are so happy you can help
us out. After church this morning the kiddos are going to pack your order !
Again thank you so much from canyon lake Lego club. Jennifer,Shelly ,Ryan and
the rest of us.In Problem, fosterbengoshi writes:
In Problem, QCHUCKA writes:
| | I have an idea I want to pitch. Ok a single vigilante is frowned upon, as Thor
pointed out that is too much power for one person to have. But how about as
a group?
What do people think about voting on scammer stores to have their inventory bought
out. Say someone spots a suspicious store like 72chipjava and proposes that we
vote on buying his inventory out. If we get mostly yes votes totaling over 10
or so then we act on it and buy his inventory so no one gets screwed out of their
money.
|
I think this is a horrible idea. Instead of one vigilante you want a gang of
vigilantes? If it is wrong for one vigilante to do this why is it OK for ten
vigilantes to do this?
I don't like this sort of mob mentality. I have seen innocent people wrongly
accused by mobs here in the forum and elsewhere.
IT IS NOT OUR JOB TO BE SELF-APPOINTED POLICEMEN SHUTTING DOWN STORES MERELY
BECAUSE WE THINK THEY ARE SUSPICIOUS. THAT IS BRICKLINK'S JOB. Our job is
to report suspected wrongdoing. It is then up to BrickLink to take action IF
THEY FEEL ACTION IS WARRANTED. BrickLink has more information than we do. We
should also keep encouraging BrickLink to take more proactive members.
I know it is frustrating that BL often appears slow to act. But did you ever
think that rather than being slow to act BL already reviewed the store in question
and found nothing to warrant closure? BL does not announce the results of these
reviews. So how do we know BL did not already check out the store in question?
Don't automatically assume BL is not acting and that you can therefore act
on your own.
Thor fosterbengoshi u little homo surfer boy you are having all your buddy's on bricklink buy my items to damage our account so your the SCAMMER HERE punk.. Everyone listen here I have 10 orders who every buyer has just showed me that this clown and all his buddy's are the SCAMMERS!!! See there so worried about new buyers than why in the hell you opening up so many different accounts and buying items from me and leaving bad feedback???? Everyone email me I have the list of names of all these clowns !! See if you want to stop the scammers you have to stop yourself before it will stop that's the way it works . See being a scammer and a follower it's a chain reaction. I have 100% PROOF you people are the SCAMMERS I will be plastering it all over the web !! If you people would use your damn heads and worry about yourself and not others you might do much better???? See if you no how scammers work you must be one yourself proven fact.
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doesn't sound like church going language to me
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | pdr507 | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 22:11 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Javachip72 writes:
| | In Suggestions, ylekram writes:
| | In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, Geniac writes:
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I'm starting to think what others have suggested about value limits until
a certain amount of time AND feedback is reached may be the best way.
|
This suggestion is not meant to take the place of other measures to combat scams.
It is not an either/or proposition. It is going to take a combination of several
measures to make a significant reduction in scammers. No one suggestion will
work on its own. And no one suggestion will be foolproof. But combine this suggestion
with one or more of the other suggestions that have been made, and I think we
can kiss goodbye at least 90% of the scammers.
Thor
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hello, I have never posted on this forum before, but I buy a lot of lego here.
I am a little ashamed to admit,72chipjava got me for a few hundred dollars. as
soon as I found out he was a scammer, apparently well after most on this forum
knew, I felt obligated to do something,besides get my money back. I left him
- feedback stating that he was a scammer and purchased all his remaining minifigures,
to help stop another innocent buyer get robbed. very surprised to see I was the
only one to do so. I received 5 emails from people asking me what my problem
was with the seller. people do read the feedback. if the administration cant
or wont shut them down, its up to the bricklink community to do so. its kind
of just sitting back and letting it happen, which is bs.
on a lighter note, here was mr scumbags response to me when I bought the remainder
of his figures. I thought it was a little funny
Hi Mark, thank for the big order our club & the kids are so happy you can help
us out. After church this morning the kiddos are going to pack your order !
Again thank you so much from canyon lake Lego club. Jennifer,Shelly ,Ryan and
the rest of us.In Problem, fosterbengoshi writes:
In Problem, QCHUCKA writes:
| | I have an idea I want to pitch. Ok a single vigilante is frowned upon, as Thor
pointed out that is too much power for one person to have. But how about as
a group?
What do people think about voting on scammer stores to have their inventory bought
out. Say someone spots a suspicious store like 72chipjava and proposes that we
vote on buying his inventory out. If we get mostly yes votes totaling over 10
or so then we act on it and buy his inventory so no one gets screwed out of their
money.
|
I think this is a horrible idea. Instead of one vigilante you want a gang of
vigilantes? If it is wrong for one vigilante to do this why is it OK for ten
vigilantes to do this?
I don't like this sort of mob mentality. I have seen innocent people wrongly
accused by mobs here in the forum and elsewhere.
IT IS NOT OUR JOB TO BE SELF-APPOINTED POLICEMEN SHUTTING DOWN STORES MERELY
BECAUSE WE THINK THEY ARE SUSPICIOUS. THAT IS BRICKLINK'S JOB. Our job is
to report suspected wrongdoing. It is then up to BrickLink to take action IF
THEY FEEL ACTION IS WARRANTED. BrickLink has more information than we do. We
should also keep encouraging BrickLink to take more proactive members.
I know it is frustrating that BL often appears slow to act. But did you ever
think that rather than being slow to act BL already reviewed the store in question
and found nothing to warrant closure? BL does not announce the results of these
reviews. So how do we know BL did not already check out the store in question?
Don't automatically assume BL is not acting and that you can therefore act
on your own.
Thor fosterbengoshi u little [...] surfer boy you are having all your buddy's on bricklink buy my items to damage our account so your the SCAMMER HERE punk.. Everyone listen here I have 10 orders who every buyer has just showed me that this clown and all his buddy's are the SCAMMERS!!! See there so worried about new buyers than why in the hell you opening up so many different accounts and buying items from me and leaving bad feedback???? Everyone email me I have the list of names of all these clowns !! See if you want to stop the scammers you have to stop yourself before it will stop that's the way it works . See being a scammer and a follower it's a chain reaction. I have 100% PROOF you people are the SCAMMERS I will be plastering it all over the web !! If you people would use your damn heads and worry about yourself and not others you might do much better???? See if you no how scammers work you must be one yourself proven fact.
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It sounds like the buyer initially wanted items you had for sale. If you were
to show the buyer you were able to fill their order, maybe you can still have
a sale. Also, the previous posters can be shown that you are legitimate and this
stops, instead of just responding like you have so far.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | bb620415 | | Posted: | Sep 6, 2015 23:09 | | Subject: | Re: A Suggestion to Help Prevent New Scam Stores | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, pdr507 writes:
| | In Suggestions, Javachip72 writes:
| | In Suggestions, ylekram writes:
| | In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, Geniac writes:
| |
I'm starting to think what others have suggested about value limits until
a certain amount of time AND feedback is reached may be the best way.
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This suggestion is not meant to take the place of other measures to combat scams.
It is not an either/or proposition. It is going to take a combination of several
measures to make a significant reduction in scammers. No one suggestion will
work on its own. And no one suggestion will be foolproof. But combine this suggestion
with one or more of the other suggestions that have been made, and I think we
can kiss goodbye at least 90% of the scammers.
Thor
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hello, I have never posted on this forum before, but I buy a lot of lego here.
I am a little ashamed to admit,72chipjava got me for a few hundred dollars. as
soon as I found out he was a scammer, apparently well after most on this forum
knew, I felt obligated to do something,besides get my money back. I left him
- feedback stating that he was a scammer and purchased all his remaining minifigures,
to help stop another innocent buyer get robbed. very surprised to see I was the
only one to do so. I received 5 emails from people asking me what my problem
was with the seller. people do read the feedback. if the administration cant
or wont shut them down, its up to the bricklink community to do so. its kind
of just sitting back and letting it happen, which is bs.
on a lighter note, here was mr scumbags response to me when I bought the remainder
of his figures. I thought it was a little funny
Hi Mark, thank for the big order our club & the kids are so happy you can help
us out. After church this morning the kiddos are going to pack your order !
Again thank you so much from canyon lake Lego club. Jennifer,Shelly ,Ryan and
the rest of us.In Problem, fosterbengoshi writes:
In Problem, QCHUCKA writes:
| | I have an idea I want to pitch. Ok a single vigilante is frowned upon, as Thor
pointed out that is too much power for one person to have. But how about as
a group?
What do people think about voting on scammer stores to have their inventory bought
out. Say someone spots a suspicious store like 72chipjava and proposes that we
vote on buying his inventory out. If we get mostly yes votes totaling over 10
or so then we act on it and buy his inventory so no one gets screwed out of their
money.
|
I think this is a horrible idea. Instead of one vigilante you want a gang of
vigilantes? If it is wrong for one vigilante to do this why is it OK for ten
vigilantes to do this?
I don't like this sort of mob mentality. I have seen innocent people wrongly
accused by mobs here in the forum and elsewhere.
IT IS NOT OUR JOB TO BE SELF-APPOINTED POLICEMEN SHUTTING DOWN STORES MERELY
BECAUSE WE THINK THEY ARE SUSPICIOUS. THAT IS BRICKLINK'S JOB. Our job is
to report suspected wrongdoing. It is then up to BrickLink to take action IF
THEY FEEL ACTION IS WARRANTED. BrickLink has more information than we do. We
should also keep encouraging BrickLink to take more proactive members.
I know it is frustrating that BL often appears slow to act. But did you ever
think that rather than being slow to act BL already reviewed the store in question
and found nothing to warrant closure? BL does not announce the results of these
reviews. So how do we know BL did not already check out the store in question?
Don't automatically assume BL is not acting and that you can therefore act
on your own.
Thor fosterbengoshi u little [...] surfer boy you are having all your buddy's on bricklink buy my items to damage our account so your the SCAMMER HERE punk.. Everyone listen here I have 10 orders who every buyer has just showed me that this clown and all his buddy's are the SCAMMERS!!! See there so worried about new buyers than why in the hell you opening up so many different accounts and buying items from me and leaving bad feedback???? Everyone email me I have the list of names of all these clowns !! See if you want to stop the scammers you have to stop yourself before it will stop that's the way it works . See being a scammer and a follower it's a chain reaction. I have 100% PROOF you people are the SCAMMERS I will be plastering it all over the web !! If you people would use your damn heads and worry about yourself and not others you might do much better???? See if you no how scammers work you must be one yourself proven fact.
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It sounds like the buyer initially wanted items you had for sale. If you were
to show the buyer you were able to fill their order, maybe you can still have
a sale. Also, the previous posters can be shown that you are legitimate and this
stops, instead of just responding like you have so far. In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
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Now, we talk a lot about 'scam stores' here and by making suggestions
we try to help by offering 'options' to look at by the site, but I have
another question for you Foster:
What would need to be the reaction from the site, if a buyer turns out to be
a scammer or if there are repeated cases of NSS or Paypal claims against sellers
by a buyer? These kind of situations do exist, yet are hardly being talked about...
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This is certainly another problem that should be addressed by BrickLink. I think
BL already has tools in place to deal with most of these problem buyers. If a
buyer does not pay*, the NPB system can take care of that. If the buyer files
multiple bogus NSS claims, BL has the authority to ban the buyer. As for bogus
PayPal claims or multiple chargebacks, I already made suggestions to deal with
that:
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=475780
and
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=817702
For buyers who make duplicate accounts, I made these suggestions:
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=523696
and
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=522617
Some more good suggestions made by other members to deal with problem buyers
include:
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=482235
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=932387
http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=916643
Thor
* NPBs do not necessarily mean the buyer is a scammer. But there have been a
few occasions where people have submitted multiple bogus orders for the sole
purpose of causing problems. The one I remmember had his buying privileges suspended
long before any NPBs were completed against him.SEE PEOPLE the TRUTH came out and the true colors the guy has cancelled all the comments someone sent by this user fosterbengoshi???? Now I see really WHO the SCAMMERS are on this site and bricklink and all the inside help will be shut down sooner than later. If all you can talk about is scammers your one yourself no getting around it!!
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