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| | | Author: | RobErNat  | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2015 05:16 | | Subject: | Ranking up ideas to slow down potential SCAM | | Viewed: | 203 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Open | | Vote: | [Yes|No] | |
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| Over the years a lot of suggestions have been made to prevent scam sellers from
getting loads of orders, take the money and run.
I'm sure BL is trying to work out systems to prevent such things from happening
in future, so it would be good to rank up all the potential options one could
imagine to have limitations, to have faster action on potential scam stores and
to potentially send warnings to buyers with open orders.
Please don't make this thread into a discussion, just state a clear idea,
without too much blah blah and without arguing about pro's and contra's,
without repeating or applauding to another ones suggestion, so just simple
things like the one below, with a brief indication/explanation of the option
Certain things could apply for new sellers with no feedback or when a member
opens a store (if if the member has hundreds or thousands of feedbacks from buying),
untill either they proof themselves by generating selling feedback, and/or by
giving proof items are in stock and/or by prooving who they are. Some of the
suggestion may conflict with eachother, but that is besides the intention of
the thread, let's just rank up the ideas in an easy to review thread for
the site admins so they can compile the ideas.
* Lot limitation: New sellers usually start pretty small and build up their store
along the way, so a lot limitation could prevent scammers using the PO function
on high valued sets. Example: maximum 200 lot's (legit sellers would probably
get a few orders a long the way and build up feedback)
* value limitation: example 500$, legit sellers would probably start small with
a limited inventory, get a few orders and work their way up. This limit would
exclude newbies from selling high valued sets soon they open a store, and for
legit sellers starting small, $500 is most likely quite a nice base to get started
(parts/minifigs/small and medium sets) and rank up some orders and feedbacks.
* maximum on 'number' of orders during the first month, for example 1/day
and 3/week, if no complaints during that month (no negatives, no neutrals, no
NSS/NRS statusses), upgrade to 2/day and 5/week the next month, if still no complaints,
full access
* Tags on high valued sets, so the admins would get a warning, sellers with a
sellers feedback lower then 10 for example.
* As admins can't be around 24/7: select a number of people worldwide who
can tag stores or listings, if a store or an item get's tagged by 3 different
people: Closure as 'preventive action', or block an item from being bought,
so the admins can review if there is a problem or not, the next business day
or their next avaliable moment online, with offcourse a mail to the admins to
check the situation or the item for sale that was 'locked'.
* If a store is locked (except if the reason is non payment of fees): a warning
to all buyers with open orders to either delay payment for a few days, to contact
seller to ask for tracking or proof of postage if shipped or ask information
about the status of the order and expected shippingdate if not yet shipped.
* Obligation for brand new sellers to have Paypal among the offered accepted
payment methods (after all they'll need to pay fees to BL for the sales,
so they need Paypal anyway).
* BL as temporary withholder of funds particulary on larger orders from newbie
sellers (I'm not in favor of this myself, but I do consider it an option).
* More proof on who sellers are, prior to being allowed opening a store: ID card
/ Drivers license / a small Paypal payment / Business documentation / etc, so
BL has the sellers details on record and can compare it to the registered address.
So, ideas like that with brief explanation and again, please don't make it
a discussion, just state your idea on what could help to improve BL in regards
to prevent scams 
Eric
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| | | | | Author: | QCBricks | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2015 05:29 | | Subject: | Re: Ranking up ideas to slow down potential SCAM | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | Over the years a lot of suggestions have been made to prevent scam sellers from
getting loads of orders, take the money and run.
I'm sure BL is trying to work out systems to prevent such things from happening
in future, so it would be good to rank up all the potential options one could
imagine to have limitations, to have faster action on potential scam stores and
to potentially send warnings to buyers with open orders.
Please don't make this thread into a discussion, just state a clear idea,
without too much blah blah and without arguing about pro's and contra's,
without repeating or applauding to another ones suggestion, so just simple
things like the one below, with a brief indication/explanation of the option
Certain things could apply for new sellers with no feedback or when a member
opens a store (if if the member has hundreds or thousands of feedbacks from buying),
untill either they proof themselves by generating selling feedback, and/or by
giving proof items are in stock and/or by prooving who they are. Some of the
suggestion may conflict with eachother, but that is besides the intention of
the thread, let's just rank up the ideas in an easy to review thread for
the site admins so they can compile the ideas.
* Lot limitation: New sellers usually start pretty small and build up their store
along the way, so a lot limitation could prevent scammers using the PO function
on high valued sets. Example: maximum 200 lot's (legit sellers would probably
get a few orders a long the way and build up feedback)
* value limitation: example 500$, legit sellers would probably start small with
a limited inventory, get a few orders and work their way up. This limit would
exclude newbies from selling high valued sets soon they open a store, and for
legit sellers starting small, $500 is most likely quite a nice base to get started
(parts/minifigs/small and medium sets) and rank up some orders and feedbacks.
* maximum on 'number' of orders during the first month, for example 1/day
and 3/week, if no complaints during that month (no negatives, no neutrals, no
NSS/NRS statusses), upgrade to 2/day and 5/week the next month, if still no complaints,
full access
* Tags on high valued sets, so the admins would get a warning, sellers with a
sellers feedback lower then 10 for example.
* As admins can't be around 24/7: select a number of people worldwide who
can tag stores or listings, if a store or an item get's tagged by 3 different
people: Closure as 'preventive action', or block an item from being bought,
so the admins can review if there is a problem or not, the next business day
or their next avaliable moment online, with offcourse a mail to the admins to
check the situation or the item for sale that was 'locked'.
* If a store is locked (except if the reason is non payment of fees): a warning
to all buyers with open orders to either delay payment for a few days, to contact
seller to ask for tracking or proof of postage if shipped or ask information
about the status of the order and expected shippingdate if not yet shipped.
* Obligation for brand new sellers to have Paypal among the offered accepted
payment methods (after all they'll need to pay fees to BL for the sales,
so they need Paypal anyway).
* BL as temporary withholder of funds particulary on larger orders from newbie
sellers (I'm not in favor of this myself, but I do consider it an option).
* More proof on who sellers are, prior to being allowed opening a store: ID card
/ Drivers license / a small Paypal payment / Business documentation / etc, so
BL has the sellers details on record and can compare it to the registered address.
So, ideas like that with brief explanation and again, please don't make it
a discussion, just state your idea on what could help to improve BL in regards
to prevent scams
Eric
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-Escrow
-Firm $$ limit for some period of time (Maybe first 50 orders or something)
-Some set of roadblocks to open any store (business license, small fee, submitting
documents proving that the seller is who they say they are, etc...). It doesn't
have to be any of those, but just some combination of actions that make it difficult
to quickly open a large store.
Scott
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| | | | | Author: | RobErNat | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2015 05:38 | | Subject: | Re: Ranking up ideas to slow down potential SCAM | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| * Forcing the need of a personal picture with a Post-it on it with the sellers
username or storename, if the item has a value of more then $200 (all new sellers
with a selling feedback less the 10) as of $500 for all sellers with a feedback
of less then 100, as of $1000: for all sellers regardless the feedback.
* For newbie sellers (less then 10 FB) the admins would need to 'accept'
the listing of a high valued set before it goes online (as of $500 for example),
so sellers can list it, get invited to post a picture (with the username on it),
upload the picture, admin checks the item, the sellers details, IP location,
etc, then approves the listing if it seems legit, then it goes online (so the
site has control over the listing before it goes online, in stead of running
behind the facts). Any legit seller won't mind doing so, the Scammers will
realise there is not much point in trying.
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| | | | | Author: | calebfishn | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2015 07:51 | | Subject: | Re: Ranking up ideas to slow down potential SCAM | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | Over the years a lot of suggestions have been made to prevent scam sellers from
getting loads of orders, take the money and run.
I'm sure BL is trying to work out systems to prevent such things from happening
in future, so it would be good to rank up all the potential options one could
imagine to have limitations, to have faster action on potential scam stores and
to potentially send warnings to buyers with open orders.
Please don't make this thread into a discussion, just state a clear idea,
without too much blah blah and without arguing about pro's and contra's,
without repeating or applauding to another ones suggestion, so just simple
things like the one below, with a brief indication/explanation of the option
Certain things could apply for new sellers with no feedback or when a member
opens a store (if if the member has hundreds or thousands of feedbacks from buying),
untill either they proof themselves by generating selling feedback, and/or by
giving proof items are in stock and/or by prooving who they are. Some of the
suggestion may conflict with eachother, but that is besides the intention of
the thread, let's just rank up the ideas in an easy to review thread for
the site admins so they can compile the ideas.
* Lot limitation: New sellers usually start pretty small and build up their store
along the way, so a lot limitation could prevent scammers using the PO function
on high valued sets. Example: maximum 200 lot's (legit sellers would probably
get a few orders a long the way and build up feedback)
* value limitation: example 500$, legit sellers would probably start small with
a limited inventory, get a few orders and work their way up. This limit would
exclude newbies from selling high valued sets soon they open a store, and for
legit sellers starting small, $500 is most likely quite a nice base to get started
(parts/minifigs/small and medium sets) and rank up some orders and feedbacks.
* maximum on 'number' of orders during the first month, for example 1/day
and 3/week, if no complaints during that month (no negatives, no neutrals, no
NSS/NRS statusses), upgrade to 2/day and 5/week the next month, if still no complaints,
full access
* Tags on high valued sets, so the admins would get a warning, sellers with a
sellers feedback lower then 10 for example.
* As admins can't be around 24/7: select a number of people worldwide who
can tag stores or listings, if a store or an item get's tagged by 3 different
people: Closure as 'preventive action', or block an item from being bought,
so the admins can review if there is a problem or not, the next business day
or their next avaliable moment online, with offcourse a mail to the admins to
check the situation or the item for sale that was 'locked'.
* If a store is locked (except if the reason is non payment of fees): a warning
to all buyers with open orders to either delay payment for a few days, to contact
seller to ask for tracking or proof of postage if shipped or ask information
about the status of the order and expected shippingdate if not yet shipped.
* Obligation for brand new sellers to have Paypal among the offered accepted
payment methods (after all they'll need to pay fees to BL for the sales,
so they need Paypal anyway).
* BL as temporary withholder of funds particulary on larger orders from newbie
sellers (I'm not in favor of this myself, but I do consider it an option).
* More proof on who sellers are, prior to being allowed opening a store: ID card
/ Drivers license / a small Paypal payment / Business documentation / etc, so
BL has the sellers details on record and can compare it to the registered address.
So, ideas like that with brief explanation and again, please don't make it
a discussion, just state your idea on what could help to improve BL in regards
to prevent scams
Eric
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If you do away with anonymity, all other methods such as lot limits, value limits,
low feedback etc, become irrelevant.
Crime happens in the shadows. Remove the internet anonymity from sellers, making
it easier to identify and prosecute fraud artists, and you will reduce criminal
scams. Valid credit card and address and ID, with verified contact info is the
best way.
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| | | | | Author: | TheBrickGuys | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2015 13:35 | | Subject: | Re: Ranking up ideas to slow down potential SCAM | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Set a limit for a max of $50.00 per item in their store for new stores with 0
to 20 FB's of just selling (the 20 FB's would not include FB's for
buying scene they could place several small orders to build up their FB). This
would be in place for their first 20 orders unless they agree to use an escrow
account set up by BrickLink. If they agree to an escrow account then no limits
or at least higher limits like $500.- to $1500.-.
If they cant wait a week or two to get there money on a high dollar set, well
then, that in itself says something about their character and at that point either
they sell lower dollar items or just not sell here at all.
Personally, I think it would be good for all new sellers to have to use an escrow
account set up by BL.
Jim
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| | | | | Author: | Rick_S. | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2015 13:46 | | Subject: | Re: Ranking up ideas to slow down potential SCAM | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | Over the years a lot of suggestions have been made to prevent scam sellers from
getting loads of orders, take the money and run.
I'm sure BL is trying to work out systems to prevent such things from happening
in future, so it would be good to rank up all the potential options one could
imagine to have limitations, to have faster action on potential scam stores and
to potentially send warnings to buyers with open orders.
Please don't make this thread into a discussion, just state a clear idea,
without too much blah blah and without arguing about pro's and contra's,
without repeating or applauding to another ones suggestion, so just simple
things like the one below, with a brief indication/explanation of the option
Certain things could apply for new sellers with no feedback or when a member
opens a store (if if the member has hundreds or thousands of feedbacks from buying),
untill either they proof themselves by generating selling feedback, and/or by
giving proof items are in stock and/or by prooving who they are. Some of the
suggestion may conflict with eachother, but that is besides the intention of
the thread, let's just rank up the ideas in an easy to review thread for
the site admins so they can compile the ideas.
* Lot limitation: New sellers usually start pretty small and build up their store
along the way, so a lot limitation could prevent scammers using the PO function
on high valued sets. Example: maximum 200 lot's (legit sellers would probably
get a few orders a long the way and build up feedback)
* value limitation: example 500$, legit sellers would probably start small with
a limited inventory, get a few orders and work their way up. This limit would
exclude newbies from selling high valued sets soon they open a store, and for
legit sellers starting small, $500 is most likely quite a nice base to get started
(parts/minifigs/small and medium sets) and rank up some orders and feedbacks.
* maximum on 'number' of orders during the first month, for example 1/day
and 3/week, if no complaints during that month (no negatives, no neutrals, no
NSS/NRS statusses), upgrade to 2/day and 5/week the next month, if still no complaints,
full access
* Tags on high valued sets, so the admins would get a warning, sellers with a
sellers feedback lower then 10 for example.
* As admins can't be around 24/7: select a number of people worldwide who
can tag stores or listings, if a store or an item get's tagged by 3 different
people: Closure as 'preventive action', or block an item from being bought,
so the admins can review if there is a problem or not, the next business day
or their next avaliable moment online, with offcourse a mail to the admins to
check the situation or the item for sale that was 'locked'.
* If a store is locked (except if the reason is non payment of fees): a warning
to all buyers with open orders to either delay payment for a few days, to contact
seller to ask for tracking or proof of postage if shipped or ask information
about the status of the order and expected shippingdate if not yet shipped.
* Obligation for brand new sellers to have Paypal among the offered accepted
payment methods (after all they'll need to pay fees to BL for the sales,
so they need Paypal anyway).
* BL as temporary withholder of funds particulary on larger orders from newbie
sellers (I'm not in favor of this myself, but I do consider it an option).
* More proof on who sellers are, prior to being allowed opening a store: ID card
/ Drivers license / a small Paypal payment / Business documentation / etc, so
BL has the sellers details on record and can compare it to the registered address.
So, ideas like that with brief explanation and again, please don't make it
a discussion, just state your idea on what could help to improve BL in regards
to prevent scams
Eric
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My one suggestion was to verify they are who they say they are thru payment from
a verifiable source like PayPal and such, where a new seller would pay a $5 fee
thru PayPal or such which admin would then apply towards their account to pay
their fees.
paying money will deter many scammers, paying thru a site like PayPal verified
will also verify the seller is who they say they are.
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| | | | | Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2015 14:45 | | Subject: | Re: Ranking up ideas to slow down potential SCAM | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I propose a way to end scammers, NPB, NSS. Call in drones to take them out.
Film the first one attack and post it on all the Lego related sites and have
it play just before the final deal is made on each side. Every seller would
rush to send out the order, every buyer would pay quickly.
In the US, Bricklink could contract with Amazon (they are experimenting with
drone delivering packages.) Amazon probably knows where everyone lives.
However it would work I am sure the number of NPB and NSS and scammers would
immediately decrease.
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a29182/the-skunk-drone-is-coming/
John P
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| | | | | | | Author: | jayy2121 | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2015 15:12 | | Subject: | Re: Ranking up ideas to slow down potential SCAM | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | I am sure the number of NPB and NSS and scammers would immediately decrease.
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One way or the other....
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