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| | | Author: | ToriHada  | | Posted: | May 26, 2015 14:46 | | Subject: | Note Whether Official or Non-Official Post | | Viewed: | 231 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Open | | Vote: | [Yes|No] | |
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| Forum moderators are not just forum moderators. They are sellers, buyers, BL
members and AFOLs just like the rest of us. And they have their own personal
opinions on many things, just like the rest of us. However, it is sometimes confusing
to know whether a forum moderator is posting in their official capacity as a
BrickLink forum moderator or in their own personal capacity as a seller, buyer,
member or AFOL. Therefore, I propose having a checbox moderators should check
only if they are posting in their official capacity as a BrickLink forum moderator.
If the box is not checked, then their post can be considered their own opinion
or comment, rather than BrickLink's. Of course, for this to work, we need
a little icon next to their name if this checkbox has been checked.
Come to think of it, this suggestion might equally apply to other BrickLink admins
and sub-admins as well. It would be helpful and will avoid misunderstandings
to know if someone with dual capacity as an official BrickLink representative
and private BL member is posting on behalf of BrickLink or themselves. Among
other things, this may help BrickLink avoid legal issues, such as being held
accountable for the personal comments of its representatives.
Thor
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| | | | | Author: | therobo | | Posted: | May 26, 2015 14:56 | | Subject: | Re: Note Whether Official or Non-Official Post | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | Forum moderators are not just forum moderators. They are sellers, buyers, BL
members and AFOLs just like the rest of us. And they have their own personal
opinions on many things, just like the rest of us. However, it is sometimes confusing
to know whether a forum moderator is posting in their official capacity as a
BrickLink forum moderator or in their own personal capacity as a seller, buyer,
member or AFOL. Therefore, I propose having a checbox moderators should check
only if they are posting in their official capacity as a BrickLink forum moderator.
If the box is not checked, then their post can be considered their own opinion
or comment, rather than BrickLink's. Of course, for this to work, we need
a little icon next to their name if this checkbox has been checked.
Come to think of it, this suggestion might equally apply to other BrickLink admins
and sub-admins as well. It would be helpful and will avoid misunderstandings
to know if someone with dual capacity as an official BrickLink representative
and private BL member is posting on behalf of BrickLink or themselves. Among
other things, this may help BrickLink avoid legal issues, such as being held
accountable for the personal comments of its representatives.
Thor
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I voted NO.
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| | | | | | | Author: | ToriHada | | Posted: | May 26, 2015 15:02 | | Subject: | Re: Note Whether Official or Non-Official Post | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, therobo writes:
Is that no in your official capacity as BrickLink Catalog Administrator or in
your capacity as therobo, owner of Area of Bricks n' Studs? 
Thor
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | RobErNat | | Posted: | May 26, 2015 15:11 | | Subject: | Re: Note Whether Official or Non-Official Post | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, therobo writes:
Is that no in your official capacity as BrickLink Catalog Administrator or in
your capacity as therobo, owner of Area of Bricks n' Studs?
Thor
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To quote yourself:
you try to make something that is grey into a black and white issue
voted NO as well, as it's usually clear when an Admin expresses his/her personal
opinions, compared to 'official' statements.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Rick_S. | | Posted: | May 26, 2015 16:15 | | Subject: | Re: Note Whether Official or Non-Official Post | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, therobo writes:
Is that no in your official capacity as BrickLink Catalog Administrator or in
your capacity as therobo, owner of Area of Bricks n' Studs?
Thor
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To quote yourself:
you try to make something that is grey into a black and white issue
voted NO as well, as it's usually clear when an Admin expresses his/her personal
opinions, compared to 'official' statements.
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actually its not so clear, I've always been of the opinion that a moderator
should only have one opinion, that of the site, not their own.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jeslego | | Posted: | May 26, 2015 21:53 | | Subject: | Re: Note Whether Official or Non-Official Post | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, therobo writes:
Is that no in your official capacity as BrickLink Catalog Administrator or in
your capacity as therobo, owner of Area of Bricks n' Studs?
Thor
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To quote yourself:
you try to make something that is grey into a black and white issue
voted NO as well, as it's usually clear when an Admin expresses his/her personal
opinions, compared to 'official' statements.
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"Some inductive conclusions are perfectly obvious, like finding a fish in the
milk"
I'm pretty sure Mark Twain wrote this, but I can not find it via Google.
In English, that is sarcasm. What he was arguing is that all induction is prone
to error. And it is. Forcing one member of a conversation to guess the import
of the statements made by another is very difficult to justify.
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| | | | | Author: | bagelboybugle | | Posted: | May 26, 2015 15:13 | | Subject: | Re: Note Whether Official or Non-Official Post | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | Forum moderators are not just forum moderators. They are sellers, buyers, BL
members and AFOLs just like the rest of us. And they have their own personal
opinions on many things, just like the rest of us. However, it is sometimes confusing
to know whether a forum moderator is posting in their official capacity as a
BrickLink forum moderator or in their own personal capacity as a seller, buyer,
member or AFOL. Therefore, I propose having a checbox moderators should check
only if they are posting in their official capacity as a BrickLink forum moderator.
If the box is not checked, then their post can be considered their own opinion
or comment, rather than BrickLink's. Of course, for this to work, we need
a little icon next to their name if this checkbox has been checked.
Come to think of it, this suggestion might equally apply to other BrickLink admins
and sub-admins as well. It would be helpful and will avoid misunderstandings
to know if someone with dual capacity as an official BrickLink representative
and private BL member is posting on behalf of BrickLink or themselves. Among
other things, this may help BrickLink avoid legal issues, such as being held
accountable for the personal comments of its representatives.
Thor
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I voted yes
The question has already been flagged privately
Many folks who have been around for a long time may remember me being heavily
involved in heated debates before I was a moderator on currency exchange rates
and so on. I do find that being a forum mod means I often keep my personal opinion
on the subjects being discussed to myself as I am concious of the appropriateness
of expressing a personal view on some topics.
When you send a message to a moderator (or catalaog admin etc) you have the option
of contact that person as a individual or contact them as a whichever role they
have, if you select the role, all admins in that role will receive the message.
The same option is given to us on replying to the message, so you receive a message
from discussions moderator rather than an individual.
Being able to post as discussions moderator would allow us to:
1) Post generic warnings where threads get out of control but no specific individual
is to blame to an extent that justifies a private more directed contact;
2) Make clear announcements relating to rules changes or general messages
that the team would like to portray; and
3) Answer relevant questions about forum rules
The added positive for other forum users is it becomes easier to identify such
important messages and search the forum for messages posted by `discussions moderator`
(or other role as relevant) without having to pick out the day to day postings
of formins as is current.
Although one catalog admin has already stated a no vote, I do also believe a
similar approach for catmins would be helpful as it could be useful to search
posts by catmin if you have a question you want to ask about the catalog or catalog
policy but want to find out if its already been answered first.
Gareth
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| | | | | | | Author: | ToriHada | | Posted: | May 26, 2015 15:22 | | Subject: | Re: Note Whether Official or Non-Official Post | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, bagelboybugle writes:
| | In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | Forum moderators are not just forum moderators. They are sellers, buyers, BL
members and AFOLs just like the rest of us. And they have their own personal
opinions on many things, just like the rest of us. However, it is sometimes confusing
to know whether a forum moderator is posting in their official capacity as a
BrickLink forum moderator or in their own personal capacity as a seller, buyer,
member or AFOL. Therefore, I propose having a checbox moderators should check
only if they are posting in their official capacity as a BrickLink forum moderator.
If the box is not checked, then their post can be considered their own opinion
or comment, rather than BrickLink's. Of course, for this to work, we need
a little icon next to their name if this checkbox has been checked.
Come to think of it, this suggestion might equally apply to other BrickLink admins
and sub-admins as well. It would be helpful and will avoid misunderstandings
to know if someone with dual capacity as an official BrickLink representative
and private BL member is posting on behalf of BrickLink or themselves. Among
other things, this may help BrickLink avoid legal issues, such as being held
accountable for the personal comments of its representatives.
Thor
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I voted yes
The question has already been flagged privately
Many folks who have been around for a long time may remember me being heavily
involved in heated debates before I was a moderator on currency exchange rates
and so on. I do find that being a forum mod means I often keep my personal opinion
on the subjects being discussed to myself as I am concious of the appropriateness
of expressing a personal view on some topics.
When you send a message to a moderator (or catalaog admin etc) you have the option
of contact that person as a individual or contact them as a whichever role they
have, if you select the role, all admins in that role will receive the message.
The same option is given to us on replying to the message, so you receive a message
from discussions moderator rather than an individual.
Being able to post as discussions moderator would allow us to:
1) Post generic warnings where threads get out of control but no specific individual
is to blame to an extent that justifies a private more directed contact;
2) Make clear announcements relating to rules changes or general messages
that the team would like to portray; and
3) Answer relevant questions about forum rules
The added positive for other forum users is it becomes easier to identify such
important messages and search the forum for messages posted by `discussions moderator`
(or other role as relevant) without having to pick out the day to day postings
of formins as is current.
Although one catalog admin has already stated a no vote, I do also believe a
similar approach for catmins would be helpful as it could be useful to search
posts by catmin if you have a question you want to ask about the catalog or catalog
policy but want to find out if its already been answered first.
Gareth
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Thank you Gareth. Just so you know, I wasn't trying to be a smart@$$ with
this suggestion. Your last post just wasn't clear to me whether it was you
or a forum mod commenting. Others have noted the same confusion many times in
the past. I have also seen mods and admins publicly chided by others for posting
something they felt should not have been posted by an admin or mod (with several
of those defended by saying it was a personal and not an official comment). Our
friend Rob in Seattle quickly comes to mind. This suggestion will help to avoid
those misunderstandings.
Thor
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| | | | | Author: | Rick_S. | | Posted: | May 26, 2015 16:14 | | Subject: | Re: Note Whether Official or Non-Official Post | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | Forum moderators are not just forum moderators. They are sellers, buyers, BL
members and AFOLs just like the rest of us. And they have their own personal
opinions on many things, just like the rest of us. However, it is sometimes confusing
to know whether a forum moderator is posting in their official capacity as a
BrickLink forum moderator or in their own personal capacity as a seller, buyer,
member or AFOL. Therefore, I propose having a checbox moderators should check
only if they are posting in their official capacity as a BrickLink forum moderator.
If the box is not checked, then their post can be considered their own opinion
or comment, rather than BrickLink's. Of course, for this to work, we need
a little icon next to their name if this checkbox has been checked.
Come to think of it, this suggestion might equally apply to other BrickLink admins
and sub-admins as well. It would be helpful and will avoid misunderstandings
to know if someone with dual capacity as an official BrickLink representative
and private BL member is posting on behalf of BrickLink or themselves. Among
other things, this may help BrickLink avoid legal issues, such as being held
accountable for the personal comments of its representatives.
Thor
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to be honest I think the BL members account and moderator account should be separate,
in other words they would be anonymous they would log under a Moderator account
for moderating and their own account for their own stuff.
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| | | | | Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | May 26, 2015 16:40 | | Subject: | Re: Note Whether Official or Non-Official Post | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | Forum moderators are not just forum moderators. They are sellers, buyers, BL
members and AFOLs just like the rest of us. And they have their own personal
opinions on many things, just like the rest of us. However, it is sometimes confusing
to know whether a forum moderator is posting in their official capacity as a
BrickLink forum moderator or in their own personal capacity as a seller, buyer,
member or AFOL. Therefore, I propose having a checbox moderators should check
only if they are posting in their official capacity as a BrickLink forum moderator.
If the box is not checked, then their post can be considered their own opinion
or comment, rather than BrickLink's. Of course, for this to work, we need
a little icon next to their name if this checkbox has been checked.
Come to think of it, this suggestion might equally apply to other BrickLink admins
and sub-admins as well. It would be helpful and will avoid misunderstandings
to know if someone with dual capacity as an official BrickLink representative
and private BL member is posting on behalf of BrickLink or themselves. Among
other things, this may help BrickLink avoid legal issues, such as being held
accountable for the personal comments of its representatives.
Thor
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Not really necessary. However they post they are still moderators or admins.
I, for one, have had not problem telling which hat they are wearing when they
comment. Seems rather simple to figure out. Don't know about others though,
"I know knot what others may choose, but as for me, give me Admin or give me
Admin." Samething.
John P
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| | | | | Author: | QCBricks | | Posted: | May 26, 2015 16:58 | | Subject: | Re: Note Whether Official or Non-Official Post | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | Forum moderators are not just forum moderators. They are sellers, buyers, BL
members and AFOLs just like the rest of us. And they have their own personal
opinions on many things, just like the rest of us. However, it is sometimes confusing
to know whether a forum moderator is posting in their official capacity as a
BrickLink forum moderator or in their own personal capacity as a seller, buyer,
member or AFOL. Therefore, I propose having a checbox moderators should check
only if they are posting in their official capacity as a BrickLink forum moderator.
If the box is not checked, then their post can be considered their own opinion
or comment, rather than BrickLink's. Of course, for this to work, we need
a little icon next to their name if this checkbox has been checked.
Come to think of it, this suggestion might equally apply to other BrickLink admins
and sub-admins as well. It would be helpful and will avoid misunderstandings
to know if someone with dual capacity as an official BrickLink representative
and private BL member is posting on behalf of BrickLink or themselves. Among
other things, this may help BrickLink avoid legal issues, such as being held
accountable for the personal comments of its representatives.
Thor
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Voted No.
I am okay with that for paid BL staff, but I do see why volunteer forum
mods should be held to that standard. (I don't see how volunteers would
be classified as "official Bricklink representative(s)")
Of course you are the lawyer here, but I am not sure that being a volunteer mod
for a website creates an agency situation. Even if there was an agency situation,
BL still discloses that with the "moderator" tag, so it isn't as if it is
secret. They also are not paid, which I would assume affects the actual or implied
relationship.
Further, as a business owner, I am firmly in favor of allowing a business owner
to make their own legal decisions. (Good, Bad, or Indifferent) It is not up
to the customers of any organization to counsel the owners of that organization
on proper legal conduct or on legal issues, even if some of those customers are
lawyers.
Scott
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| | | | | Author: | LordSkylark | | Posted: | May 26, 2015 18:41 | | Subject: | Re: Note Whether Official or Non-Official Post | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | Forum moderators are not just forum moderators. They are sellers, buyers, BL
members and AFOLs just like the rest of us. And they have their own personal
opinions on many things, just like the rest of us. However, it is sometimes confusing
to know whether a forum moderator is posting in their official capacity as a
BrickLink forum moderator or in their own personal capacity as a seller, buyer,
member or AFOL. Therefore, I propose having a checbox moderators should check
only if they are posting in their official capacity as a BrickLink forum moderator.
If the box is not checked, then their post can be considered their own opinion
or comment, rather than BrickLink's. Of course, for this to work, we need
a little icon next to their name if this checkbox has been checked.
Come to think of it, this suggestion might equally apply to other BrickLink admins
and sub-admins as well. It would be helpful and will avoid misunderstandings
to know if someone with dual capacity as an official BrickLink representative
and private BL member is posting on behalf of BrickLink or themselves. Among
other things, this may help BrickLink avoid legal issues, such as being held
accountable for the personal comments of its representatives.
Thor
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Maybe this would be a better solution?
That any Bricklink administrator should be given a unique account which is only
affliated with administration tasks, whereas all of their buying/selling/personal
comments should be restricted to their personal account.
Andy
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| | | | | Author: | renhoffman | | Posted: | May 26, 2015 21:53 | | Subject: | Re: Note Whether Official or Non-Official Post | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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only if they are posting in their official capacity as a BrickLink forum moderator.
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Perhaps we should take it one step further...
http://news.yahoo.com/amtrak-install-long-sought-cameras-locomotives-150901725--finance.html
I'm totally joking here, I mean no harm. I actually don't really have
an opinion on this. I do wish it was a little more obvious that I am a moderator,
as there have been times that members did not know it, until I told them that
I was. As far as a check-box, for each message I post, seems reasonable. It would
take some adjusting to, as things can change from joking around, to serious flame-wars
in a single post. For example, where would this post fit in, Mod, or personal?
Anyway, cameras on me while I'm moderating, that could be a TV show  . People
thought the Osbourns where crazy, and I'm sure they laughed all the way to
the bank .
Darren
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