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| | | Author: | Draykov  | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2011 11:49 | | Subject: | Do not categorize incomplete sets as "NEW" | | Viewed: | 292 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Open | | Vote: | [Yes|No] | |
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| I'm probably biased because I'm a buyer and not a seller here, and while I appreciate
the "incomplete" flag that's present on parted out sets, I would prefer that
only sealed sets be categorized as new. Checking prices for new sets becomes
so laborious when you have to skip the first dozen or so listings that have been
scavenged for figs but are still considered "New." I'd be okay with some alternate
intermediary category like "NEW-INCOMPLETE" or something, but when I filter for
new, I want to see new/sealed and that's it.
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| | | | | Author: | edk | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2011 11:51 | | Subject: | Re: Do not categorize incomplete sets as "NEW" | | Viewed: | 72 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Draykov writes:
| | I'm probably biased because I'm a buyer and not a seller here, and while I appreciate
the "incomplete" flag that's present on parted out sets, I would prefer that
only sealed sets be categorized as new. Checking prices for new sets becomes
so laborious when you have to skip the first dozen or so listings that have been
scavenged for figs but are still considered "New." I'd be okay with some alternate
intermediary category like "NEW-INCOMPLETE" or something, but when I filter for
new, I want to see new/sealed and that's it.
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Then filter out the sets listed as incomplete.
Ed
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| | | | | | | Author: | Draykov | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2011 11:55 | | Subject: | Re: Do not categorize incomplete sets as "NEW" | | Viewed: | 77 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, edk writes:
| | In Suggestions, Draykov writes:
| | I'm probably biased because I'm a buyer and not a seller here, and while I appreciate
the "incomplete" flag that's present on parted out sets, I would prefer that
only sealed sets be categorized as new. Checking prices for new sets becomes
so laborious when you have to skip the first dozen or so listings that have been
scavenged for figs but are still considered "New." I'd be okay with some alternate
intermediary category like "NEW-INCOMPLETE" or something, but when I filter for
new, I want to see new/sealed and that's it.
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Then filter out the sets listed as incomplete.
Ed
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And how does one do this in a wanted list?
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| | | | | | | Author: | starbeanie | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2011 11:56 | | Subject: | Re: Do not categorize incomplete sets as "NEW" | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, edk writes:
| | In Suggestions, Draykov writes:
| | I'm probably biased because I'm a buyer and not a seller here, and while I appreciate
the "incomplete" flag that's present on parted out sets, I would prefer that
only sealed sets be categorized as new. Checking prices for new sets becomes
so laborious when you have to skip the first dozen or so listings that have been
scavenged for figs but are still considered "New." I'd be okay with some alternate
intermediary category like "NEW-INCOMPLETE" or something, but when I filter for
new, I want to see new/sealed and that's it.
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Then filter out the sets listed as incomplete.
Ed
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http://www.bricklink.com/searchAdvanced.asp
"Exclude Incomplete Sets"
or
http://www.bricklink.com//priceGuideSettings.asp
"Exclude Incomplete Sets"
Bret
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Draykov | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2011 11:58 | | Subject: | Re: Do not categorize incomplete sets as "NEW" | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Pshhh...silly me. Thanks!
In Suggestions, starbeanie writes:
| | In Suggestions, edk writes:
| | In Suggestions, Draykov writes:
| | I'm probably biased because I'm a buyer and not a seller here, and while I appreciate
the "incomplete" flag that's present on parted out sets, I would prefer that
only sealed sets be categorized as new. Checking prices for new sets becomes
so laborious when you have to skip the first dozen or so listings that have been
scavenged for figs but are still considered "New." I'd be okay with some alternate
intermediary category like "NEW-INCOMPLETE" or something, but when I filter for
new, I want to see new/sealed and that's it.
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Then filter out the sets listed as incomplete.
Ed
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http://www.bricklink.com/searchAdvanced.asp
"Exclude Incomplete Sets"
or
http://www.bricklink.com//priceGuideSettings.asp
"Exclude Incomplete Sets"
Bret
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | starbeanie | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2011 12:00 | | Subject: | Re: Do not categorize incomplete sets as "NEW" | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| No problem.
In Suggestions, Draykov writes:
| | Pshhh...silly me. Thanks!
In Suggestions, starbeanie writes:
| | In Suggestions, edk writes:
| | In Suggestions, Draykov writes:
| | I'm probably biased because I'm a buyer and not a seller here, and while I appreciate
the "incomplete" flag that's present on parted out sets, I would prefer that
only sealed sets be categorized as new. Checking prices for new sets becomes
so laborious when you have to skip the first dozen or so listings that have been
scavenged for figs but are still considered "New." I'd be okay with some alternate
intermediary category like "NEW-INCOMPLETE" or something, but when I filter for
new, I want to see new/sealed and that's it.
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Then filter out the sets listed as incomplete.
Ed
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http://www.bricklink.com/searchAdvanced.asp
"Exclude Incomplete Sets"
or
http://www.bricklink.com//priceGuideSettings.asp
"Exclude Incomplete Sets"
Bret
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| | | | | Author: | RobErNat | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2011 11:57 | | Subject: | Re: Do not categorize incomplete sets as "NEW" | | Viewed: | 74 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Draykov writes:
| | I'm probably biased because I'm a buyer and not a seller here, and while I appreciate
the "incomplete" flag that's present on parted out sets, I would prefer that
only sealed sets be categorized as new. Checking prices for new sets becomes
so laborious when you have to skip the first dozen or so listings that have been
scavenged for figs but are still considered "New." I'd be okay with some alternate
intermediary category like "NEW-INCOMPLETE" or something, but when I filter for
new, I want to see new/sealed and that's it.
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Guess you are mainly looking at Star Wars sets 
Yes, filter 'incomplete'(see other reply) and remove it from your search...
Cheers, Eric
PS I don't agree with your statement that only sealed sets can be listed as 'new',
Some sellers might get their hands on new sets, but open them to check contents
(if questionable), they would still be 'new' and 'complete' after checking, but
not 'sealed'.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Draykov | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2011 12:00 | | Subject: | Re: Do not categorize incomplete sets as "NEW" | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I realize there are those that would take exception to that, but I'm anal retentive
and like my new stuff hermetically sealed, minty fresh, and as untouched by grubby
house-ape fingers as possible. I'm weird that way.
Thanks for the replies! Solved my issue.
In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
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PS I don't agree with your statement that only sealed sets can be listed as 'new',
Some sellers might get their hands on new sets, but open them to check contents
(if questionable), they would still be 'new' and 'complete' after checking, but
not 'sealed'.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | RobErNat | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2011 12:12 | | Subject: | Re: Do not categorize incomplete sets as "NEW" | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | Thanks for the replies! Solved my issue.
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Well, not really ...
What if a seller would list a set as being 'sealed', seller purchased in good
'faith' and is reselling in good 'faith', but something turns out to be missing...
According to the BL TOS, sellers are not responsible since they don't know if
a set is complete or not when it leaves the TLG factory. Would you attack the
seller? Or would you attack TLG (you purchased 'second hand' finally), you don't
have prove you purchased it at an 'approved' Lego dealer... (most certainly when
the set you purchased is out of production at TLG)
Wonder what others think about that...
Cheers, Eric
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | dvsntt | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2011 12:22 | | Subject: | Re: Do not categorize incomplete sets as "NEW" | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | | | Thanks for the replies! Solved my issue.
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Well, not really ...
What if a seller would list a set as being 'sealed', seller purchased in good
'faith' and is reselling in good 'faith', but something turns out to be missing...
According to the BL TOS, sellers are not responsible since they don't know if
a set is complete or not when it leaves the TLG factory. Would you attack the
seller? Or would you attack TLG (you purchased 'second hand' finally), you don't
have prove you purchased it at an 'approved' Lego dealer... (most certainly when
the set you purchased is out of production at TLG)
Wonder what others think about that...
Cheers, Eric
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If the factory seals are in place, I would not hold the seller accountable, it
would be obvious it was not his\her mistake. I would contact LEGO customer service
and politely request the missing pieces.
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| | In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | | | Thanks for the replies! Solved my issue.
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Well, not really ...
What if a seller would list a set as being 'sealed', seller purchased in good
'faith' and is reselling in good 'faith', but something turns out to be missing...
According to the BL TOS, sellers are not responsible since they don't know if
a set is complete or not when it leaves the TLG factory. Would you attack the
seller? Or would you attack TLG (you purchased 'second hand' finally), you don't
have prove you purchased it at an 'approved' Lego dealer... (most certainly when
the set you purchased is out of production at TLG)
Wonder what others think about that...
Cheers, Eric
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If the factory seals are in place, I would not hold the seller accountable, it
would be obvious it was not his\her mistake. I would contact LEGO customer service
and politely request the missing pieces.
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Ahhh, you wonderfull buyer (coupon offer soon  )
But try asking TLG to replace a missing 'light gray' piece...
Eric
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Brettj666 | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2011 12:49 | | Subject: | Re: Do not categorize incomplete sets as "NEW" | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, dvsntt writes:
| | In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | | | Thanks for the replies! Solved my issue.
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Well, not really ...
What if a seller would list a set as being 'sealed', seller purchased in good
'faith' and is reselling in good 'faith', but something turns out to be missing...
According to the BL TOS, sellers are not responsible since they don't know if
a set is complete or not when it leaves the TLG factory. Would you attack the
seller? Or would you attack TLG (you purchased 'second hand' finally), you don't
have prove you purchased it at an 'approved' Lego dealer... (most certainly when
the set you purchased is out of production at TLG)
Wonder what others think about that...
Cheers, Eric
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If the factory seals are in place, I would not hold the seller accountable, it
would be obvious it was not his\her mistake. I would contact LEGO customer service
and politely request the missing pieces.
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If I bought a set from here that was sealed (and assuming it wasn't tampered
with), I'd absolutely go back to Lego and not the seller. The seller did their
job passing the set from them to me. It's not their fault.
Furthermore, I wouldn't want sellers to go to the trouble of opening the sets
to verify piece counts because if it wasn't my intention to open it, that would
kill the premium on a sealed set.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | matthewcrandall | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2011 13:06 | | Subject: | Re: Do not categorize incomplete sets as "NEW" | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | | | Thanks for the replies! Solved my issue.
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Well, not really ...
What if a seller would list a set as being 'sealed', seller purchased in good
'faith' and is reselling in good 'faith', but something turns out to be missing...
According to the BL TOS, sellers are not responsible since they don't know if
a set is complete or not when it leaves the TLG factory. Would you attack the
seller? Or would you attack TLG (you purchased 'second hand' finally), you don't
have prove you purchased it at an 'approved' Lego dealer... (most certainly when
the set you purchased is out of production at TLG)
Wonder what others think about that...
Cheers, Eric
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Forget the 2 bits. Here's a buck's worth of thought, from a buyer/collector perspective.
If a set is listed as "new"--to me that means new, never opened. That means all
bags are sealed, all minifigs are there, and all seals are intact. If the directions
have a fold in them...my loss. If a part is missing, I don't go after the seller...I
contact LEGO directly to see about replacement parts. If not available...I come
back here and buy the missing parts. It happens. A sealed, never opened box is
new, and "ya pays yer money and ya takes yer chances." Once I get something new,
it doesn't stay that way long. I play with my toys, and very few are the unopened
boxes in my collection.
Having said that, it rarely happens to me that parts are missing from new sets.
In the last eleven years (2000-2011), I can count on one finger the number of
parts missing from a new set. In the last 18 years (1993-2011), it doesn't take
three fingers. In fact, it might take four fingers over a forty year plus
span...but I doubt it. LEGO has really worked on the "problem of the missing
part." It does happen...but very, very rarely, in my experience.
A set is not new if the seals are broken. Unused or nearly new, I can see. It
certainly cannot be construed as new if the bags are opened; I don't care if
you were "just checking to see if all the parts were there." Would you buy a
set from TRU or Wal-Mart if the boxes had been opened, the polybags opened, and
"the parts checked for completeness?" Not at full price you wouldn't!
(You'd want it for cost plus 10%, or 50% off, or something like that.)
A set is incomplete if the minifigs are missing...or if any of the parts
are missing. There are so many ways that we know what extra parts should be there
(those who do inventories are very thorough, both here and at Peeron, for example),
that it's a tough sell to me for anything after 1993 to not have the extras and
be considered "new." Prior to 1993, it gets harder. Prior to 1980, it gets difficult.
Prior to 1970...and I think only Gary Istok knows for sure.
When I rebuild/recomplete a set from stuff I get from garage sales, etc., I try
to include the extra parts, and get the directions as often as possible. I like
my sets to be as complete as if I had bought it new then lost the box. (Yeah,
some might think thats a bit anal. It's my collection. Deal with it.)
So, for sets: "New" is new. "Unused" is new, box opened, polybags sealed. "Used"
means polybags have been opened, for any reason. "Incomplete" means parts/minifigs
missing.
Play Well and Prosper,
Doc Crandall
"The Brick Detective"
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Doc, I like your vision (mine as well...) BUT
Yes there is big BUT...
OK, opened polybags means 'used' to you, right?
But still we buy 'new' parts from a lot of seller (from opened polybags).
So what is the difference? you buy 'new' spare parts to complete a set or build
a MOC, or you buy 'new' sets with opened polybags from a seller who who opened
the bags to check if 'complete' (after a possible doubtfull purchase), it still
'new' according to the TOS, since 'new' can be used to part-out sets... (one
can re-compile a set by buying 'new' spare parts)
I do agree on the missing minifigs however, state 'complete' but without 'minifigs'
is in indeed not complying with the TOS...
Cheers, Eric
PS all these questions , just to get a better view on others (buyers) oppinion....
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So, for sets: "New" is new. "Unused" is new, box opened, polybags sealed. "Used"
means polybags have been opened, for any reason. "Incomplete" means parts/minifigs
missing.
Play Well and Prosper,
Doc Crandall
"The Brick Detective"
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | dvsntt | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2011 14:02 | | Subject: | Re: Do not categorize incomplete sets as "NEW" | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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Doc, I like your vision (mine as well...) BUT
Yes there is big BUT...
OK, opened polybags means 'used' to you, right?
But still we buy 'new' parts from a lot of seller (from opened polybags).
So what is the difference? you buy 'new' spare parts to complete a set or build
a MOC, or you buy 'new' sets with opened polybags from a seller who who opened
the bags to check if 'complete' (after a possible doubtfull purchase), it still
'new' according to the TOS, since 'new' can be used to part-out sets... (one
can re-compile a set by buying 'new' spare parts)
I do agree on the missing minifigs however, state 'complete' but without 'minifigs'
is in indeed not complying with the TOS...
Cheers, Eric
PS all these questions , just to get a better view on others (buyers) oppinion....
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So, for sets: "New" is new. "Unused" is new, box opened, polybags sealed. "Used"
means polybags have been opened, for any reason. "Incomplete" means parts/minifigs
missing.
Play Well and Prosper,
Doc Crandall
"The Brick Detective"
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The way I see it, new sets are unopened, un-tampered with wholly complete sets.
New parts come from opening these sets, which makes the set "used", as
in used for selling valuable parts and unloading rest as incomplete.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | RobErNat | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2011 14:17 | | Subject: | Re: Do not categorize incomplete sets as "NEW" | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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Doc, I like your vision (mine as well...) BUT
Yes there is big BUT...
OK, opened polybags means 'used' to you, right?
But still we buy 'new' parts from a lot of seller (from opened polybags).
So what is the difference? you buy 'new' spare parts to complete a set or build
a MOC, or you buy 'new' sets with opened polybags from a seller who who opened
the bags to check if 'complete' (after a possible doubtfull purchase), it still
'new' according to the TOS, since 'new' can be used to part-out sets... (one
can re-compile a set by buying 'new' spare parts)
I do agree on the missing minifigs however, state 'complete' but without 'minifigs'
is in indeed not complying with the TOS...
Cheers, Eric
PS all these questions , just to get a better view on others (buyers) oppinion....
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So, for sets: "New" is new. "Unused" is new, box opened, polybags sealed. "Used"
means polybags have been opened, for any reason. "Incomplete" means parts/minifigs
missing.
Play Well and Prosper,
Doc Crandall
"The Brick Detective"
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The way I see it, new sets are unopened, un-tampered with wholly complete sets.
New parts come from opening these sets, which makes the set "used", as
in used for selling valuable parts and unloading rest as incomplete.
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So, just wondering, if I part out a set, but it contains minifigs, I can sell
the sparts as 'new', but not the minifigs (seperate listing on BL)? Or if I find
a high valuable set with completely damaged box and I open the polybags, I can
sell the parts 'new', but I can't sell the 'set' 'new' (with the mention of severely
damaged box and opened polybags for verification?) I'm 
Eric
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| | In Suggestions, dvsntt writes:
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Doc, I like your vision (mine as well...) BUT
Yes there is big BUT...
OK, opened polybags means 'used' to you, right?
But still we buy 'new' parts from a lot of seller (from opened polybags).
So what is the difference? you buy 'new' spare parts to complete a set or build
a MOC, or you buy 'new' sets with opened polybags from a seller who who opened
the bags to check if 'complete' (after a possible doubtfull purchase), it still
'new' according to the TOS, since 'new' can be used to part-out sets... (one
can re-compile a set by buying 'new' spare parts)
I do agree on the missing minifigs however, state 'complete' but without 'minifigs'
is in indeed not complying with the TOS...
Cheers, Eric
PS all these questions , just to get a better view on others (buyers) oppinion....
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So, for sets: "New" is new. "Unused" is new, box opened, polybags sealed. "Used"
means polybags have been opened, for any reason. "Incomplete" means parts/minifigs
missing.
Play Well and Prosper,
Doc Crandall
"The Brick Detective"
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The way I see it, new sets are unopened, un-tampered with wholly complete sets.
New parts come from opening these sets, which makes the set "used", as
in used for selling valuable parts and unloading rest as incomplete.
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So, just wondering, if I part out a set, but it contains minifigs, I can sell
the sparts as 'new', but not the minifigs (seperate listing on BL)? Or if I find
a high valuable set with completely damaged box and I open the polybags, I can
sell the parts 'new', but I can't sell the 'set' 'new' (with the mention of severely
damaged box and opened polybags for verification?) I'm
Eric
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I don't see why minifigs from a sealed box would not be considered new. Any part
coming out of a sealed poly-bag should be considered new (maybe some exceptions
if parts are damaged or defaced somehow), but for the most part in general it
should be true. But a set that's contents are at all questionable should not
be considered "new". Continuing with your example, if the set appears to have
been opened or has such damage that contents may be missing, it should at once
no longer be considered in new condition. That is the category afterall; a rating
of the condition. A pilfered set, or sustainably damaged box is not "new" condition.
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Doc, I like your vision (mine as well...) BUT
Yes there is big BUT...
OK, opened polybags means 'used' to you, right?
But still we buy 'new' parts from a lot of seller (from opened polybags).
So what is the difference? you buy 'new' spare parts to complete a set or build
a MOC, or you buy 'new' sets with opened polybags from a seller who who opened
the bags to check if 'complete' (after a possible doubtfull purchase), it still
'new' according to the TOS, since 'new' can be used to part-out sets... (one
can re-compile a set by buying 'new' spare parts)
I do agree on the missing minifigs however, state 'complete' but without 'minifigs'
is in indeed not complying with the TOS...
Cheers, Eric
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Eric--
You missed a major point: this thread is in regard to sets, not parts.
Parts from sets, PAB, S@H, or generally loose brick is another story.
I'm not as fussy with that, unless I must have "new" parts, used parts
are fine. In this case, "new" parts generally have to come from opened sets,
and if bought as a set then parted out, can (and should) be marked new. I have
no problem with parts marked accordingly.
Sets, though...to me, a set is a set, not parts of a set. Like I said: You wouldn't
buy a set that was opened and the polybags opened from a brick and mortar store
at full price; you'd demand (and rightfully so) a discount. Without building
it in the store prior to purchase, how would you know all the parts and minifigs
were in such a set? You couldn't. It wouldn't be a new set--at best, used...at
worst, incomplete. If a seller has made a purchase for resale of a set that is
a "doubtful" purchase, and has then opened the polybags to verify parts, that
is just not a new set anymore. It has been totally opened and now parts and directions
can get lost/swapped, or minifigs can be removed/replaced. (That's why I like
the seals intact on the box.)
Side note: Please, please note I am not accusing any seller here of anything.
I am saying the potential is there for such foolishness.
Hope this helps clarify my point a bit--
Play Well and Prosper,
Doc Crandall
"The Brick Detective"
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | matthewcrandall | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2011 14:38 | | Subject: | Re: Do not categorize incomplete sets as "NEW" | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, matthewcrandall writes:
| | In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
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Doc, I like your vision (mine as well...) BUT
Yes there is big BUT...
OK, opened polybags means 'used' to you, right?
But still we buy 'new' parts from a lot of seller (from opened polybags).
So what is the difference? you buy 'new' spare parts to complete a set or build
a MOC, or you buy 'new' sets with opened polybags from a seller who who opened
the bags to check if 'complete' (after a possible doubtfull purchase), it still
'new' according to the TOS, since 'new' can be used to part-out sets... (one
can re-compile a set by buying 'new' spare parts)
I do agree on the missing minifigs however, state 'complete' but without 'minifigs'
is in indeed not complying with the TOS...
Cheers, Eric
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Eric--
You missed a major point: this thread is in regard to sets, not parts.
Parts from sets, PAB, S@H, or generally loose brick is another story.
I'm not as fussy with that, unless I must have "new" parts, used parts
are fine. In this case, "new" parts generally have to come from opened sets,
and if bought as a set then parted out, can (and should) be marked new. I have
no problem with parts marked accordingly.
Sets, though...to me, a set is a set, not parts of a set. Like I said: You wouldn't
buy a set that was opened and the polybags opened from a brick and mortar store
at full price; you'd demand (and rightfully so) a discount. Without building
it in the store prior to purchase, how would you know all the parts and minifigs
were in such a set? You couldn't. It wouldn't be a new set--at best, used...at
worst, incomplete. If a seller has made a purchase for resale of a set that is
a "doubtful" purchase, and has then opened the polybags to verify parts, that
is just not a new set anymore. It has been totally opened and now parts and directions
can get lost/swapped, or minifigs can be removed/replaced. (That's why I like
the seals intact on the box.)
Side note: Please, please note I am not accusing any seller here of anything.
I am saying the potential is there for such foolishness.
Hope this helps clarify my point a bit--
Play Well and Prosper,
Doc Crandall
"The Brick Detective"
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Here's a thought that just hit me on a way to consider a new set: A new set
is one that you'd be willing to give your 6 year old child for a Christmas or
birthday gift. Think about how picky and impressionable a 6 year old child
is....
Doc
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | RobErNat | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2011 14:49 | | Subject: | Re: Do not categorize incomplete sets as "NEW" | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, matthewcrandall writes:
| | In Suggestions, matthewcrandall writes:
| | In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | Snip
Doc, I like your vision (mine as well...) BUT
Yes there is big BUT...
OK, opened polybags means 'used' to you, right?
But still we buy 'new' parts from a lot of seller (from opened polybags).
So what is the difference? you buy 'new' spare parts to complete a set or build
a MOC, or you buy 'new' sets with opened polybags from a seller who who opened
the bags to check if 'complete' (after a possible doubtfull purchase), it still
'new' according to the TOS, since 'new' can be used to part-out sets... (one
can re-compile a set by buying 'new' spare parts)
I do agree on the missing minifigs however, state 'complete' but without 'minifigs'
is in indeed not complying with the TOS...
Cheers, Eric
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Eric--
You missed a major point: this thread is in regard to sets, not parts.
Parts from sets, PAB, S@H, or generally loose brick is another story.
I'm not as fussy with that, unless I must have "new" parts, used parts
are fine. In this case, "new" parts generally have to come from opened sets,
and if bought as a set then parted out, can (and should) be marked new. I have
no problem with parts marked accordingly.
Sets, though...to me, a set is a set, not parts of a set. Like I said: You wouldn't
buy a set that was opened and the polybags opened from a brick and mortar store
at full price; you'd demand (and rightfully so) a discount. Without building
it in the store prior to purchase, how would you know all the parts and minifigs
were in such a set? You couldn't. It wouldn't be a new set--at best, used...at
worst, incomplete. If a seller has made a purchase for resale of a set that is
a "doubtful" purchase, and has then opened the polybags to verify parts, that
is just not a new set anymore. It has been totally opened and now parts and directions
can get lost/swapped, or minifigs can be removed/replaced. (That's why I like
the seals intact on the box.)
Side note: Please, please note I am not accusing any seller here of anything.
I am saying the potential is there for such foolishness.
Hope this helps clarify my point a bit--
Play Well and Prosper,
Doc Crandall
"The Brick Detective"
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Here's a thought that just hit me on a way to consider a new set: A new set
is one that you'd be willing to give your 6 year old child for a Christmas or
birthday gift. Think about how picky and impressionable a 6 year old child
is....
Doc
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Sorry Doc,
you were 6 years old one time in life, I was 6 years old one time in life, my
12 year old son was 6 years old some time in his life, at the age of 6 you couldn't
care less of the wrapping paper, neither the box, neither the polybags, YOU (me,
him) just want to 'wrip' open the package and start to BUILD... Only die hard
collectors (AFOLS mainly) would (and do) care for the 'perfect' box...
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | matthewcrandall | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2011 14:54 | | Subject: | Re: Do not categorize incomplete sets as "NEW" | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | In Suggestions, matthewcrandall writes:
| | In Suggestions, matthewcrandall writes:
| | In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
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Doc, I like your vision (mine as well...) BUT
Yes there is big BUT...
OK, opened polybags means 'used' to you, right?
But still we buy 'new' parts from a lot of seller (from opened polybags).
So what is the difference? you buy 'new' spare parts to complete a set or build
a MOC, or you buy 'new' sets with opened polybags from a seller who who opened
the bags to check if 'complete' (after a possible doubtfull purchase), it still
'new' according to the TOS, since 'new' can be used to part-out sets... (one
can re-compile a set by buying 'new' spare parts)
I do agree on the missing minifigs however, state 'complete' but without 'minifigs'
is in indeed not complying with the TOS...
Cheers, Eric
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Eric--
You missed a major point: this thread is in regard to sets, not parts.
Parts from sets, PAB, S@H, or generally loose brick is another story.
I'm not as fussy with that, unless I must have "new" parts, used parts
are fine. In this case, "new" parts generally have to come from opened sets,
and if bought as a set then parted out, can (and should) be marked new. I have
no problem with parts marked accordingly.
Sets, though...to me, a set is a set, not parts of a set. Like I said: You wouldn't
buy a set that was opened and the polybags opened from a brick and mortar store
at full price; you'd demand (and rightfully so) a discount. Without building
it in the store prior to purchase, how would you know all the parts and minifigs
were in such a set? You couldn't. It wouldn't be a new set--at best, used...at
worst, incomplete. If a seller has made a purchase for resale of a set that is
a "doubtful" purchase, and has then opened the polybags to verify parts, that
is just not a new set anymore. It has been totally opened and now parts and directions
can get lost/swapped, or minifigs can be removed/replaced. (That's why I like
the seals intact on the box.)
Side note: Please, please note I am not accusing any seller here of anything.
I am saying the potential is there for such foolishness.
Hope this helps clarify my point a bit--
Play Well and Prosper,
Doc Crandall
"The Brick Detective"
|
Here's a thought that just hit me on a way to consider a new set: A new set
is one that you'd be willing to give your 6 year old child for a Christmas or
birthday gift. Think about how picky and impressionable a 6 year old child
is....
Doc
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Sorry Doc,
you were 6 years old one time in life, I was 6 years old one time in life, my
12 year old son was 6 years old some time in his life, at the age of 6 you couldn't
care less of the wrapping paper, neither the box, neither the polybags, YOU (me,
him) just want to 'wrip' open the package and start to BUILD... Only die hard
collectors (AFOLS mainly) would (and do) care for the 'perfect' box...
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You just made my point: The 6 year old child wants to rip open the box and polybags
themselves! They can't do that if someone else beat them to it.
Doc
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | RobErNat | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2011 14:59 | | Subject: | Re: Do not categorize incomplete sets as "NEW" | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, matthewcrandall writes:
| | In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | In Suggestions, matthewcrandall writes:
| | In Suggestions, matthewcrandall writes:
| | In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | Snip
Doc, I like your vision (mine as well...) BUT
Yes there is big BUT...
OK, opened polybags means 'used' to you, right?
But still we buy 'new' parts from a lot of seller (from opened polybags).
So what is the difference? you buy 'new' spare parts to complete a set or build
a MOC, or you buy 'new' sets with opened polybags from a seller who who opened
the bags to check if 'complete' (after a possible doubtfull purchase), it still
'new' according to the TOS, since 'new' can be used to part-out sets... (one
can re-compile a set by buying 'new' spare parts)
I do agree on the missing minifigs however, state 'complete' but without 'minifigs'
is in indeed not complying with the TOS...
Cheers, Eric
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Eric--
You missed a major point: this thread is in regard to sets, not parts.
Parts from sets, PAB, S@H, or generally loose brick is another story.
I'm not as fussy with that, unless I must have "new" parts, used parts
are fine. In this case, "new" parts generally have to come from opened sets,
and if bought as a set then parted out, can (and should) be marked new. I have
no problem with parts marked accordingly.
Sets, though...to me, a set is a set, not parts of a set. Like I said: You wouldn't
buy a set that was opened and the polybags opened from a brick and mortar store
at full price; you'd demand (and rightfully so) a discount. Without building
it in the store prior to purchase, how would you know all the parts and minifigs
were in such a set? You couldn't. It wouldn't be a new set--at best, used...at
worst, incomplete. If a seller has made a purchase for resale of a set that is
a "doubtful" purchase, and has then opened the polybags to verify parts, that
is just not a new set anymore. It has been totally opened and now parts and directions
can get lost/swapped, or minifigs can be removed/replaced. (That's why I like
the seals intact on the box.)
Side note: Please, please note I am not accusing any seller here of anything.
I am saying the potential is there for such foolishness.
Hope this helps clarify my point a bit--
Play Well and Prosper,
Doc Crandall
"The Brick Detective"
|
Here's a thought that just hit me on a way to consider a new set: A new set
is one that you'd be willing to give your 6 year old child for a Christmas or
birthday gift. Think about how picky and impressionable a 6 year old child
is....
Doc
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Sorry Doc,
you were 6 years old one time in life, I was 6 years old one time in life, my
12 year old son was 6 years old some time in his life, at the age of 6 you couldn't
care less of the wrapping paper, neither the box, neither the polybags, YOU (me,
him) just want to 'wrip' open the package and start to BUILD... Only die hard
collectors (AFOLS mainly) would (and do) care for the 'perfect' box...
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You just made my point: The 6 year old child wants to rip open the box and polybags
themselves! They can't do that if someone else beat them to it.
Doc
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Doc,
Not that I would (and never have done so), but I dispose of the tools to reseal
polybags and reseal Boxes, as if they were never opened...
You won't notice, and most certainly your 6 year old won't notice
Eric
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | RobErNat | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2011 14:41 | | Subject: | Re: Do not categorize incomplete sets as "NEW" | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Doc,
I didn't miss anything... I'm just raising questions...
An example: I bought a 'New' set on Ebay (is that a reference? LOL), paid it,
got it...
Mounths later I sell it (luckely noy through BL) as 'New'. When I started packing
it I noticed a very slight discrepancy in the box, I checked weight and... Not
correct. I opned box (clearly 'AGAIN') and noticed BI was missing, some lose
parts in the box (normal) and all polybags closed (I didn't recehck them). If
I sold it on BL and you purchased it (AND I didn't check it), what would your
recetion be on the missing BI? would you contact TLG (set not available for over
5 years!! so they can't help you) or your seller? Would you not be more comfortable
with a seller saying, set opened to verify content (complete)??? After all, that
seller is honest.. (I read some posts in the past were people would get actually
partially builded 'new' sets)...
If I recompile a set and I'm particulary buying new parts to do so, is the set
'new' or not??? TLG is handling the parts, my seller is handling the parts, I'm
handling the parts, so not 'New' then?
If I buy new parts on BL WITH the intention of selling them here on BL, aren't
they new then?
Yes, I do understand the meaning of a 'new' set... But what is a 'new' set? I
read posts of people who received 'new' sets from TLG in louzy condition (badly
wrapped), as a buyer, would you not prefer to buy a set that has been opened
and 'checked', with a perfect box, in stead of buying a 'sealed' one, without
having a clue on the conditio of the box (or it's completeness?).
Just raising questions (not acting the way people might think right now)...
Cheers, Eric
In Suggestions, matthewcrandall writes:
| | In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | Snip
Doc, I like your vision (mine as well...) BUT
Yes there is big BUT...
OK, opened polybags means 'used' to you, right?
But still we buy 'new' parts from a lot of seller (from opened polybags).
So what is the difference? you buy 'new' spare parts to complete a set or build
a MOC, or you buy 'new' sets with opened polybags from a seller who who opened
the bags to check if 'complete' (after a possible doubtfull purchase), it still
'new' according to the TOS, since 'new' can be used to part-out sets... (one
can re-compile a set by buying 'new' spare parts)
I do agree on the missing minifigs however, state 'complete' but without 'minifigs'
is in indeed not complying with the TOS...
Cheers, Eric
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Eric--
You missed a major point: this thread is in regard to sets, not parts.
Parts from sets, PAB, S@H, or generally loose brick is another story.
I'm not as fussy with that, unless I must have "new" parts, used parts
are fine. In this case, "new" parts generally have to come from opened sets,
and if bought as a set then parted out, can (and should) be marked new. I have
no problem with parts marked accordingly.
Sets, though...to me, a set is a set, not parts of a set. Like I said: You wouldn't
buy a set that was opened and the polybags opened from a brick and mortar store
at full price; you'd demand (and rightfully so) a discount. Without building
it in the store prior to purchase, how would you know all the parts and minifigs
were in such a set? You couldn't. It wouldn't be a new set--at best, used...at
worst, incomplete. If a seller has made a purchase for resale of a set that is
a "doubtful" purchase, and has then opened the polybags to verify parts, that
is just not a new set anymore. It has been totally opened and now parts and directions
can get lost/swapped, or minifigs can be removed/replaced. (That's why I like
the seals intact on the box.)
Side note: Please, please note I am not accusing any seller here of anything.
I am saying the potential is there for such foolishness.
Hope this helps clarify my point a bit--
Play Well and Prosper,
Doc Crandall
"The Brick Detective"
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | matthewcrandall | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2011 14:53 | | Subject: | Re: Do not categorize incomplete sets as "NEW" | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | Doc,
I didn't miss anything... I'm just raising questions...
An example: I bought a 'New' set on Ebay (is that a reference? LOL), paid it,
got it...
Mounths later I sell it (luckely noy through BL) as 'New'. When I started packing
it I noticed a very slight discrepancy in the box, I checked weight and... Not
correct. I opned box (clearly 'AGAIN') and noticed BI was missing, some lose
parts in the box (normal) and all polybags closed (I didn't recehck them). If
I sold it on BL and you purchased it (AND I didn't check it), what would your
recetion be on the missing BI? would you contact TLG (set not available for over
5 years!! so they can't help you) or your seller? Would you not be more comfortable
with a seller saying, set opened to verify content (complete)??? After all, that
seller is honest.. (I read some posts in the past were people would get actually
partially builded 'new' sets)...
If I recompile a set and I'm particulary buying new parts to do so, is the set
'new' or not??? TLG is handling the parts, my seller is handling the parts, I'm
handling the parts, so not 'New' then?
If I buy new parts on BL WITH the intention of selling them here on BL, aren't
they new then?
Yes, I do understand the meaning of a 'new' set... But what is a 'new' set? I
read posts of people who received 'new' sets from TLG in louzy condition (badly
wrapped), as a buyer, would you not prefer to buy a set that has been opened
and 'checked', with a perfect box, in stead of buying a 'sealed' one, without
having a clue on the conditio of the box (or it's completeness?).
Just raising questions (not acting the way people might think right now)...
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Eric--
It's a good discussion. I am in no way offended; you raise good questions.
I very rarely buy new sets on BL or any other online place, so I'm not in a position
to answer. With a LEGO store within 100 miles and several stores in my area that
have good prices, I go there...no sales tax in Oregon, and no shipping. I have
had very few issues with S@H.
On an older "new" set...if it has been opened and inspected for completeness,
it's unused. (I might accept "new" for a set pre-1985.) But I don't want anyone
opening a set to inspect parts unless the box is so damaged it's worthless. (In
which case, someone else in this thread has made an excellent reply to that claim.
Like I said: A new set is one that you'd be willing to give your 6 year old
child for a Christmas or birthday gift.
Doc
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | dvsntt | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2011 15:01 | | Subject: | Re: Do not categorize incomplete sets as "NEW" | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | Doc,
I didn't miss anything... I'm just raising questions...
An example: I bought a 'New' set on Ebay (is that a reference? LOL), paid it,
got it...
Mounths later I sell it (luckely noy through BL) as 'New'. When I started packing
it I noticed a very slight discrepancy in the box, I checked weight and... Not
correct. I opned box (clearly 'AGAIN') and noticed BI was missing, some lose
parts in the box (normal) and all polybags closed (I didn't recehck them). If
I sold it on BL and you purchased it (AND I didn't check it), what would your
recetion be on the missing BI?
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If the box appears to have never been tampered with, I would not expect the seller
to be liable for the missing contents.
| | would you contact TLG (set not available for over
5 years!!
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I would try, yes. Perhaps they would not be able to help me, and perhaps they
would. They would likely direct me to their archive of online BI, but I would
certainly contact them to see if they could resolve a missing BI if I were to
believe it was their mistake.
| | so they can't help you) or your seller? Would you not be more comfortable
with a seller saying, set opened to verify content (complete)??? After all, that
seller is honest.. (I read some posts in the past were people would get actually
partially builded 'new' sets)...
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I do not mind if a seller open the set to verify contents, it is piece of mind
as I believe is your point, but I do not consider it "New" condition any longer.
It is "Like New", only opened to inspect contents, which doesn't need to be done
for a "New" set anyway.
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If I recompile a set and I'm particulary buying new parts to do so, is the set
'new' or not??? TLG is handling the parts, my seller is handling the parts, I'm
handling the parts, so not 'New' then?
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Correct, this would not be a "New" set, but condition is "Like New".
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If I buy new parts on BL WITH the intention of selling them here on BL, aren't
they new then?
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I don't know for certain, I believe that the guidelines here on BL would not
permit you to purchase a part as "New" and then resell it as "New", as it can
only be handled for sorting to be considered new, any other handling like that
for delivery and receipt, would make it a used part.
| | Yes, I do understand the meaning of a 'new' set... But what is a 'new' set? I
read posts of people who received 'new' sets from TLG in louzy condition (badly
wrapped), as a buyer, would you not prefer to buy a set that has been opened
and 'checked', with a perfect box, in stead of buying a 'sealed' one, without
having a clue on the conditio of the box (or it's completeness?).
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I would prefer a perfect set, verified by a person, over a terrible condition
shipped form TLG, of course. The difference here is "New - Poor condition packaging,
never opened" vs "Used - Great Condition box, opened once to inspect contents,
100% complete". But I don't see why someone would need to open a perfect condition,
factory sealed box to verify contents. It is "New - Great Condition" before they
do that.
| | Just raising questions (not acting the way people might think right now)...
Cheers, Eric
In Suggestions, matthewcrandall writes:
| | In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | Snip
Doc, I like your vision (mine as well...) BUT
Yes there is big BUT...
OK, opened polybags means 'used' to you, right?
But still we buy 'new' parts from a lot of seller (from opened polybags).
So what is the difference? you buy 'new' spare parts to complete a set or build
a MOC, or you buy 'new' sets with opened polybags from a seller who who opened
the bags to check if 'complete' (after a possible doubtfull purchase), it still
'new' according to the TOS, since 'new' can be used to part-out sets... (one
can re-compile a set by buying 'new' spare parts)
I do agree on the missing minifigs however, state 'complete' but without 'minifigs'
is in indeed not complying with the TOS...
Cheers, Eric
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Eric--
You missed a major point: this thread is in regard to sets, not parts.
Parts from sets, PAB, S@H, or generally loose brick is another story.
I'm not as fussy with that, unless I must have "new" parts, used parts
are fine. In this case, "new" parts generally have to come from opened sets,
and if bought as a set then parted out, can (and should) be marked new. I have
no problem with parts marked accordingly.
Sets, though...to me, a set is a set, not parts of a set. Like I said: You wouldn't
buy a set that was opened and the polybags opened from a brick and mortar store
at full price; you'd demand (and rightfully so) a discount. Without building
it in the store prior to purchase, how would you know all the parts and minifigs
were in such a set? You couldn't. It wouldn't be a new set--at best, used...at
worst, incomplete. If a seller has made a purchase for resale of a set that is
a "doubtful" purchase, and has then opened the polybags to verify parts, that
is just not a new set anymore. It has been totally opened and now parts and directions
can get lost/swapped, or minifigs can be removed/replaced. (That's why I like
the seals intact on the box.)
Side note: Please, please note I am not accusing any seller here of anything.
I am saying the potential is there for such foolishness.
Hope this helps clarify my point a bit--
Play Well and Prosper,
Doc Crandall
"The Brick Detective"
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | RobErNat | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2011 15:13 | | Subject: | Re: Do not categorize incomplete sets as "NEW" | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, dvsntt writes:
| | In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | Doc,
I didn't miss anything... I'm just raising questions...
An example: I bought a 'New' set on Ebay (is that a reference? LOL), paid it,
got it...
Mounths later I sell it (luckely noy through BL) as 'New'. When I started packing
it I noticed a very slight discrepancy in the box, I checked weight and... Not
correct. I opned box (clearly 'AGAIN') and noticed BI was missing, some lose
parts in the box (normal) and all polybags closed (I didn't recehck them). If
I sold it on BL and you purchased it (AND I didn't check it), what would your
recetion be on the missing BI?
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If the box appears to have never been tampered with, I would not expect the seller
to be liable for the missing contents.
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But the seller ( buyer once) might have been fooled!
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| | would you contact TLG (set not available for over
5 years!!
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I would try, yes. Perhaps they would not be able to help me, and perhaps they
would. They would likely direct me to their archive of online BI, but I would
certainly contact them to see if they could resolve a missing BI if I were to
believe it was their mistake.
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Can you prove you purchased the item from a 'registered' dealer? NO
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| | so they can't help you) or your seller? Would you not be more comfortable
with a seller saying, set opened to verify content (complete)??? After all, that
seller is honest.. (I read some posts in the past were people would get actually
partially builded 'new' sets)...
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I do not mind if a seller open the set to verify contents, it is piece of mind
as I believe is your point, but I do not consider it "New" condition any longer.
It is "Like New", only opened to inspect contents, which doesn't need to be done
for a "New" set anyway.
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But you would still consider a part 'new' when a seller lists it like that if
it comes from part-out? WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE WITH HANDLING A SET TO CHECK
ITS CONTENTS???
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If I recompile a set and I'm particulary buying new parts to do so, is the set
'new' or not??? TLG is handling the parts, my seller is handling the parts, I'm
handling the parts, so not 'New' then?
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Correct, this would not be a "New" set, but condition is "Like New".
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If I buy new parts on BL WITH the intention of selling them here on BL, aren't
they new then?
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I don't know for certain, I believe that the guidelines here on BL would not
permit you to purchase a part as "New" and then resell it as "New", as it can
only be handled for sorting to be considered new, any other handling like that
for delivery and receipt, would make it a used part.
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Sorry, I think there are about a thousand sellers here that will not follow your
opinion on that...
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| | Yes, I do understand the meaning of a 'new' set... But what is a 'new' set? I
read posts of people who received 'new' sets from TLG in louzy condition (badly
wrapped), as a buyer, would you not prefer to buy a set that has been opened
and 'checked', with a perfect box, in stead of buying a 'sealed' one, without
having a clue on the conditio of the box (or it's completeness?).
|
I would prefer a perfect set, verified by a person, over a terrible condition
shipped form TLG, of course. The difference here is "New - Poor condition packaging,
never opened" vs "Used - Great Condition box, opened once to inspect contents,
100% complete". But I don't see why someone would need to open a perfect condition,
factory sealed box to verify contents. It is "New - Great Condition" before they
do that.
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I wouldn't either, but on some occasions, I rather sell 'opened' then be stuck
wit problems with my buyer
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| | Just raising questions (not acting the way people might think right now)...
Cheers, Eric
In Suggestions, matthewcrandall writes:
| | In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | Snip
Doc, I like your vision (mine as well...) BUT
Yes there is big BUT...
OK, opened polybags means 'used' to you, right?
But still we buy 'new' parts from a lot of seller (from opened polybags).
So what is the difference? you buy 'new' spare parts to complete a set or build
a MOC, or you buy 'new' sets with opened polybags from a seller who who opened
the bags to check if 'complete' (after a possible doubtfull purchase), it still
'new' according to the TOS, since 'new' can be used to part-out sets... (one
can re-compile a set by buying 'new' spare parts)
I do agree on the missing minifigs however, state 'complete' but without 'minifigs'
is in indeed not complying with the TOS...
Cheers, Eric
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Eric--
You missed a major point: this thread is in regard to sets, not parts.
Parts from sets, PAB, S@H, or generally loose brick is another story.
I'm not as fussy with that, unless I must have "new" parts, used parts
are fine. In this case, "new" parts generally have to come from opened sets,
and if bought as a set then parted out, can (and should) be marked new. I have
no problem with parts marked accordingly.
Sets, though...to me, a set is a set, not parts of a set. Like I said: You wouldn't
buy a set that was opened and the polybags opened from a brick and mortar store
at full price; you'd demand (and rightfully so) a discount. Without building
it in the store prior to purchase, how would you know all the parts and minifigs
were in such a set? You couldn't. It wouldn't be a new set--at best, used...at
worst, incomplete. If a seller has made a purchase for resale of a set that is
a "doubtful" purchase, and has then opened the polybags to verify parts, that
is just not a new set anymore. It has been totally opened and now parts and directions
can get lost/swapped, or minifigs can be removed/replaced. (That's why I like
the seals intact on the box.)
Side note: Please, please note I am not accusing any seller here of anything.
I am saying the potential is there for such foolishness.
Hope this helps clarify my point a bit--
Play Well and Prosper,
Doc Crandall
"The Brick Detective"
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| In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | In Suggestions, dvsntt writes:
| | In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | Doc,
I didn't miss anything... I'm just raising questions...
An example: I bought a 'New' set on Ebay (is that a reference? LOL), paid it,
got it...
Mounths later I sell it (luckely noy through BL) as 'New'. When I started packing
it I noticed a very slight discrepancy in the box, I checked weight and... Not
correct. I opned box (clearly 'AGAIN') and noticed BI was missing, some lose
parts in the box (normal) and all polybags closed (I didn't recehck them). If
I sold it on BL and you purchased it (AND I didn't check it), what would your
recetion be on the missing BI?
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If the box appears to have never been tampered with, I would not expect the seller
to be liable for the missing contents.
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But the seller ( buyer once) might have been fooled!
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Sure, but at that point he doesn't realize it either. It appears to be an intact,
unopened set, and he sold it in good faith as that. If I has opened it an d supected
it had been tampered with, I would contact the seller I bought it from, and would
hope to find a resolution with him, and yes you are right now he is on the hook
for something that he did not perpetrate. A valid reason to open a set and verify
its contents, which I have stated I have a preference to buy from than a set
that is questionable.
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5 years!!
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I would try, yes. Perhaps they would not be able to help me, and perhaps they
would. They would likely direct me to their archive of online BI, but I would
certainly contact them to see if they could resolve a missing BI if I were to
believe it was their mistake.
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Can you prove you purchased the item from a 'registered' dealer? NO
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No I won't be able to, I would tell them honestly it was bought from another
collector, but had not been opened until this day. I might say "I don't expect
you will be able to deliver the missing BI for this old set, but LEGO has often
exceeded my expectations so I am giving you the opportunity to do it again. Could
you see if there is any way that I could retrieve a copy of these BI for set
xxxx? Thanks."
| |
| |
| | so they can't help you) or your seller? Would you not be more comfortable
with a seller saying, set opened to verify content (complete)??? After all, that
seller is honest.. (I read some posts in the past were people would get actually
partially builded 'new' sets)...
|
I do not mind if a seller open the set to verify contents, it is piece of mind
as I believe is your point, but I do not consider it "New" condition any longer.
It is "Like New", only opened to inspect contents, which doesn't need to be done
for a "New" set anyway.
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But you would still consider a part 'new' when a seller lists it like that if
it comes from part-out? WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE WITH HANDLING A SET TO CHECK
ITS CONTENTS???
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Yes, the parts is new. I have stated before that I believe "Any part coming out
of a sealed poly-bag should be considered new"
I don't expect any retailer to begin opening the products on their store shelves
to make certain that 6 pop-tarts are in each package, 12 rolls of toilet paper
in each bag, 62 triscuits in each carton, 2 shoes in each box, etc... and if
the seal is broken, it does not seem the same as one that is sealed, and I do
not see myself paying full price for the item. My prerogative on this I suppose
is applying to BL-etailers as well.
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If I recompile a set and I'm particulary buying new parts to do so, is the set
'new' or not??? TLG is handling the parts, my seller is handling the parts, I'm
handling the parts, so not 'New' then?
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Correct, this would not be a "New" set, but condition is "Like New".
| |
If I buy new parts on BL WITH the intention of selling them here on BL, aren't
they new then?
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I don't know for certain, I believe that the guidelines here on BL would not
permit you to purchase a part as "New" and then resell it as "New", as it can
only be handled for sorting to be considered new, any other handling like that
for delivery and receipt, would make it a used part.
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Sorry, I think there are about a thousand sellers here that will not follow your
opinion on that...
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I prefaced by saying "I don't know for certain" as I'm not certain how liberal
that definition was. I'm inclined to accept a more experienced opinion here then
and believe these parts would then still be "new", as a set that was sold and
is still sealed to still be "new".
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| | Yes, I do understand the meaning of a 'new' set... But what is a 'new' set? I
read posts of people who received 'new' sets from TLG in louzy condition (badly
wrapped), as a buyer, would you not prefer to buy a set that has been opened
and 'checked', with a perfect box, in stead of buying a 'sealed' one, without
having a clue on the conditio of the box (or it's completeness?).
|
I would prefer a perfect set, verified by a person, over a terrible condition
shipped form TLG, of course. The difference here is "New - Poor condition packaging,
never opened" vs "Used - Great Condition box, opened once to inspect contents,
100% complete". But I don't see why someone would need to open a perfect condition,
factory sealed box to verify contents. It is "New - Great Condition" before they
do that.
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I wouldn't either, but on some occasions, I rather sell 'opened' then be stuck
wit problems with my buyer
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| | Just raising questions (not acting the way people might think right now)...
Cheers, Eric
In Suggestions, matthewcrandall writes:
| | In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | Snip
Doc, I like your vision (mine as well...) BUT
Yes there is big BUT...
OK, opened polybags means 'used' to you, right?
But still we buy 'new' parts from a lot of seller (from opened polybags).
So what is the difference? you buy 'new' spare parts to complete a set or build
a MOC, or you buy 'new' sets with opened polybags from a seller who who opened
the bags to check if 'complete' (after a possible doubtfull purchase), it still
'new' according to the TOS, since 'new' can be used to part-out sets... (one
can re-compile a set by buying 'new' spare parts)
I do agree on the missing minifigs however, state 'complete' but without 'minifigs'
is in indeed not complying with the TOS...
Cheers, Eric
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Eric--
You missed a major point: this thread is in regard to sets, not parts.
Parts from sets, PAB, S@H, or generally loose brick is another story.
I'm not as fussy with that, unless I must have "new" parts, used parts
are fine. In this case, "new" parts generally have to come from opened sets,
and if bought as a set then parted out, can (and should) be marked new. I have
no problem with parts marked accordingly.
Sets, though...to me, a set is a set, not parts of a set. Like I said: You wouldn't
buy a set that was opened and the polybags opened from a brick and mortar store
at full price; you'd demand (and rightfully so) a discount. Without building
it in the store prior to purchase, how would you know all the parts and minifigs
were in such a set? You couldn't. It wouldn't be a new set--at best, used...at
worst, incomplete. If a seller has made a purchase for resale of a set that is
a "doubtful" purchase, and has then opened the polybags to verify parts, that
is just not a new set anymore. It has been totally opened and now parts and directions
can get lost/swapped, or minifigs can be removed/replaced. (That's why I like
the seals intact on the box.)
Side note: Please, please note I am not accusing any seller here of anything.
I am saying the potential is there for such foolishness.
Hope this helps clarify my point a bit--
Play Well and Prosper,
Doc Crandall
"The Brick Detective"
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | BLUSER_179527 | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2011 18:07 | | Subject: | Re: Do not categorize incomplete sets as "NEW" | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, dvsntt writes:
| | In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | In Suggestions, dvsntt writes:
| | In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | Doc,
I didn't miss anything... I'm just raising questions...
An example: I bought a 'New' set on Ebay (is that a reference? LOL), paid it,
got it...
Mounths later I sell it (luckely noy through BL) as 'New'. When I started packing
it I noticed a very slight discrepancy in the box, I checked weight and... Not
correct. I opned box (clearly 'AGAIN') and noticed BI was missing, some lose
parts in the box (normal) and all polybags closed (I didn't recehck them). If
I sold it on BL and you purchased it (AND I didn't check it), what would your
recetion be on the missing BI?
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If the box appears to have never been tampered with, I would not expect the seller
to be liable for the missing contents.
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But the seller ( buyer once) might have been fooled!
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Sure, but at that point he doesn't realize it either. It appears to be an intact,
unopened set, and he sold it in good faith as that. If I has opened it an d supected
it had been tampered with, I would contact the seller I bought it from, and would
hope to find a resolution with him, and yes you are right now he is on the hook
for something that he did not perpetrate. A valid reason to open a set and verify
its contents, which I have stated I have a preference to buy from than a set
that is questionable.
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| | would you contact TLG (set not available for over
5 years!!
|
I would try, yes. Perhaps they would not be able to help me, and perhaps they
would. They would likely direct me to their archive of online BI, but I would
certainly contact them to see if they could resolve a missing BI if I were to
believe it was their mistake.
|
Can you prove you purchased the item from a 'registered' dealer? NO
|
No I won't be able to, I would tell them honestly it was bought from another
collector, but had not been opened until this day. I might say "I don't expect
you will be able to deliver the missing BI for this old set, but LEGO has often
exceeded my expectations so I am giving you the opportunity to do it again. Could
you see if there is any way that I could retrieve a copy of these BI for set
xxxx? Thanks."
| |
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| | so they can't help you) or your seller? Would you not be more comfortable
with a seller saying, set opened to verify content (complete)??? After all, that
seller is honest.. (I read some posts in the past were people would get actually
partially builded 'new' sets)...
|
I do not mind if a seller open the set to verify contents, it is piece of mind
as I believe is your point, but I do not consider it "New" condition any longer.
It is "Like New", only opened to inspect contents, which doesn't need to be done
for a "New" set anyway.
|
But you would still consider a part 'new' when a seller lists it like that if
it comes from part-out? WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE WITH HANDLING A SET TO CHECK
ITS CONTENTS???
|
Yes, the parts is new. I have stated before that I believe "Any part coming out
of a sealed poly-bag should be considered new"
I don't expect any retailer to begin opening the products on their store shelves
to make certain that 6 pop-tarts are in each package, 12 rolls of toilet paper
in each bag, 62 triscuits in each carton, 2 shoes in each box, etc... and if
the seal is broken, it does not seem the same as one that is sealed, and I do
not see myself paying full price for the item. My prerogative on this I suppose
is applying to BL-etailers as well.
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| |
If I recompile a set and I'm particulary buying new parts to do so, is the set
'new' or not??? TLG is handling the parts, my seller is handling the parts, I'm
handling the parts, so not 'New' then?
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Correct, this would not be a "New" set, but condition is "Like New".
| |
If I buy new parts on BL WITH the intention of selling them here on BL, aren't
they new then?
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I don't know for certain, I believe that the guidelines here on BL would not
permit you to purchase a part as "New" and then resell it as "New", as it can
only be handled for sorting to be considered new, any other handling like that
for delivery and receipt, would make it a used part.
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Sorry, I think there are about a thousand sellers here that will not follow your
opinion on that...
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I prefaced by saying "I don't know for certain" as I'm not certain how liberal
that definition was. I'm inclined to accept a more experienced opinion here then
and believe these parts would then still be "new", as a set that was sold and
is still sealed to still be "new".
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| | Yes, I do understand the meaning of a 'new' set... But what is a 'new' set? I
read posts of people who received 'new' sets from TLG in louzy condition (badly
wrapped), as a buyer, would you not prefer to buy a set that has been opened
and 'checked', with a perfect box, in stead of buying a 'sealed' one, without
having a clue on the conditio of the box (or it's completeness?).
|
I would prefer a perfect set, verified by a person, over a terrible condition
shipped form TLG, of course. The difference here is "New - Poor condition packaging,
never opened" vs "Used - Great Condition box, opened once to inspect contents,
100% complete". But I don't see why someone would need to open a perfect condition,
factory sealed box to verify contents. It is "New - Great Condition" before they
do that.
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I wouldn't either, but on some occasions, I rather sell 'opened' then be stuck
wit problems with my buyer
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| | Just raising questions (not acting the way people might think right now)...
Cheers, Eric
In Suggestions, matthewcrandall writes:
| | In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | Snip
Doc, I like your vision (mine as well...) BUT
Yes there is big BUT...
OK, opened polybags means 'used' to you, right?
But still we buy 'new' parts from a lot of seller (from opened polybags).
So what is the difference? you buy 'new' spare parts to complete a set or build
a MOC, or you buy 'new' sets with opened polybags from a seller who who opened
the bags to check if 'complete' (after a possible doubtfull purchase), it still
'new' according to the TOS, since 'new' can be used to part-out sets... (one
can re-compile a set by buying 'new' spare parts)
I do agree on the missing minifigs however, state 'complete' but without 'minifigs'
is in indeed not complying with the TOS...
Cheers, Eric
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Eric--
You missed a major point: this thread is in regard to sets, not parts.
Parts from sets, PAB, S@H, or generally loose brick is another story.
I'm not as fussy with that, unless I must have "new" parts, used parts
are fine. In this case, "new" parts generally have to come from opened sets,
and if bought as a set then parted out, can (and should) be marked new. I have
no problem with parts marked accordingly.
Sets, though...to me, a set is a set, not parts of a set. Like I said: You wouldn't
buy a set that was opened and the polybags opened from a brick and mortar store
at full price; you'd demand (and rightfully so) a discount. Without building
it in the store prior to purchase, how would you know all the parts and minifigs
were in such a set? You couldn't. It wouldn't be a new set--at best, used...at
worst, incomplete. If a seller has made a purchase for resale of a set that is
a "doubtful" purchase, and has then opened the polybags to verify parts, that
is just not a new set anymore. It has been totally opened and now parts and directions
can get lost/swapped, or minifigs can be removed/replaced. (That's why I like
the seals intact on the box.)
Side note: Please, please note I am not accusing any seller here of anything.
I am saying the potential is there for such foolishness.
Hope this helps clarify my point a bit--
Play Well and Prosper,
Doc Crandall
"The Brick Detective"
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I actually just had this happen to me. I had bought a large set on BL some time
ago as new!, I decided to list it in my store recently and it sold as "new" I
even opened it and dumped it in a shipping box, it looked fine and since it was
new It never occurred to me to check it. Well needless to say it was clear to
the buyer that it was not new, as part of it was opened and started. He was upset,
thinking I had lied to him. Which I hadn't, I just missed it because it never
occured to me to look. When I went and looked. The person who had sold it tome
had carefully used small pieces of clear tape on the oppisite side of the box
over the "lego" seals to reseal it. I started to get irrate at the BL seller
who I got it from and then realized that they could have been fooled to...Who
knows...
The definition of "new" catagory on Bricklink, could really use some clarification.
Bonnie
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | bsohn | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2011 15:00 | | Subject: | Re: Do not categorize incomplete sets as "NEW" | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I thought that same thing..
I think categoryies should maybe be something like
New - Sealed = Off the shelf new like you would buy from a store
New - Unused - Everything there but the Box/Bags could be opened
New - Incomplete - Missing parts / Figures
Used - Like New - Looks New everything there (box optional but indicated as yes
or no)
Used - Every other set but complete (parts may have physical damage)
Used Incomplete - Missing parts
The only judgement call in this would be the Used - Like New..
Brion
In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
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Doc, I like your vision (mine as well...) BUT
Yes there is big BUT...
OK, opened polybags means 'used' to you, right?
But still we buy 'new' parts from a lot of seller (from opened polybags).
So what is the difference? you buy 'new' spare parts to complete a set or build
a MOC, or you buy 'new' sets with opened polybags from a seller who who opened
the bags to check if 'complete' (after a possible doubtfull purchase), it still
'new' according to the TOS, since 'new' can be used to part-out sets... (one
can re-compile a set by buying 'new' spare parts)
I do agree on the missing minifigs however, state 'complete' but without 'minifigs'
is in indeed not complying with the TOS...
Cheers, Eric
PS all these questions , just to get a better view on others (buyers) oppinion....
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So, for sets: "New" is new. "Unused" is new, box opened, polybags sealed. "Used"
means polybags have been opened, for any reason. "Incomplete" means parts/minifigs
missing.
Play Well and Prosper,
Doc Crandall
"The Brick Detective"
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | RobErNat | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2011 15:02 | | Subject: | Re: Do not categorize incomplete sets as "NEW" | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, bsohn writes:
| | I thought that same thing..
I think categoryies should maybe be something like
New - Sealed = Off the shelf new like you would buy from a store
New - Unused - Everything there but the Box/Bags could be opened
New - Incomplete - Missing parts / Figures
Used - Like New - Looks New everything there (box optional but indicated as yes
or no)
Used - Every other set but complete (parts may have physical damage)
Used Incomplete - Missing parts
The only judgement call in this would be the Used - Like New..
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New options, an excellent suggestion
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Brion
In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | Snip
Doc, I like your vision (mine as well...) BUT
Yes there is big BUT...
OK, opened polybags means 'used' to you, right?
But still we buy 'new' parts from a lot of seller (from opened polybags).
So what is the difference? you buy 'new' spare parts to complete a set or build
a MOC, or you buy 'new' sets with opened polybags from a seller who who opened
the bags to check if 'complete' (after a possible doubtfull purchase), it still
'new' according to the TOS, since 'new' can be used to part-out sets... (one
can re-compile a set by buying 'new' spare parts)
I do agree on the missing minifigs however, state 'complete' but without 'minifigs'
is in indeed not complying with the TOS...
Cheers, Eric
PS all these questions , just to get a better view on others (buyers) oppinion....
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So, for sets: "New" is new. "Unused" is new, box opened, polybags sealed. "Used"
means polybags have been opened, for any reason. "Incomplete" means parts/minifigs
missing.
Play Well and Prosper,
Doc Crandall
"The Brick Detective"
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| In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | In Suggestions, bsohn writes:
| | I thought that same thing..
I think categoryies should maybe be something like
New - Sealed = Off the shelf new like you would buy from a store
New - Unused - Everything there but the Box/Bags could be opened
New - Incomplete - Missing parts / Figures
Used - Like New - Looks New everything there (box optional but indicated as yes
or no)
Used - Every other set but complete (parts may have physical damage)
Used Incomplete - Missing parts
The only judgement call in this would be the Used - Like New..
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New options, an excellent suggestion
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Then lets do it... and see what the response is...
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In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | Snip
Doc, I like your vision (mine as well...) BUT
Yes there is big BUT...
OK, opened polybags means 'used' to you, right?
But still we buy 'new' parts from a lot of seller (from opened polybags).
So what is the difference? you buy 'new' spare parts to complete a set or build
a MOC, or you buy 'new' sets with opened polybags from a seller who who opened
the bags to check if 'complete' (after a possible doubtfull purchase), it still
'new' according to the TOS, since 'new' can be used to part-out sets... (one
can re-compile a set by buying 'new' spare parts)
I do agree on the missing minifigs however, state 'complete' but without 'minifigs'
is in indeed not complying with the TOS...
Cheers, Eric
PS all these questions , just to get a better view on others (buyers) oppinion....
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So, for sets: "New" is new. "Unused" is new, box opened, polybags sealed. "Used"
means polybags have been opened, for any reason. "Incomplete" means parts/minifigs
missing.
Play Well and Prosper,
Doc Crandall
"The Brick Detective"
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | dvsntt | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2011 15:08 | | Subject: | Re: Do not categorize incomplete sets as "NEW" | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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I think categoryies should maybe be something like
New - Sealed = Off the shelf new like you would buy from a store
New - Unused - Everything there but the Box/Bags could be opened
New - Incomplete - Missing parts / Figures
Used - Like New - Looks New everything there (box optional but indicated as yes
or no)
Used - Every other set but complete (parts may have physical damage)
Used Incomplete - Missing parts
The only judgement call in this would be the Used - Like New..
Brion
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Pretty good options, I think that is entirely how I categorize sets in my head.
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| | | | | Author: | Draykov | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2011 12:04 | | Subject: | Re: Do not categorize incomplete sets as "NEW" | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Well, maybe I spoke too soon. I adjusted the setting on my "Price Guide" settings,
but in my wanted list, incomplete stuff is still showing up. I didn't notice
any setting in "My Wanted List" that allowed the filtering out of incomplete
sets. Am I just missing it, or am I expecting something to work retroactively
that doesn't?
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| | | | | | | Author: | dvsntt | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2011 12:08 | | Subject: | Re: Do not categorize incomplete sets as "NEW" | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Draykov writes:
| | Well, maybe I spoke too soon. I adjusted the setting on my "Price Guide" settings,
but in my wanted list, incomplete stuff is still showing up. I didn't notice
any setting in "My Wanted List" that allowed the filtering out of incomplete
sets. Am I just missing it, or am I expecting something to work retroactively
that doesn't?
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After your post, I began playing with this as I also am annoyed by having to
first determine if the set has all the parts, then to mentally ignore that listing.
I wasn't ware of the advanced search that lets you exclude incomplete sets so
I did gain some useful knowledge here, even though when using it I came across
a few sets that were marked "complete" but the description said minifigs and
extra parts were missing.
Anyway, I also still could not get it to filter my "wanted list" results to remove
incomplete sets.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | RobErNat | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2011 12:21 | | Subject: | Re: Do not categorize incomplete sets as "NEW" | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, dvsntt writes:
| | In Suggestions, Draykov writes:
| | Well, maybe I spoke too soon. I adjusted the setting on my "Price Guide" settings,
but in my wanted list, incomplete stuff is still showing up. I didn't notice
any setting in "My Wanted List" that allowed the filtering out of incomplete
sets. Am I just missing it, or am I expecting something to work retroactively
that doesn't?
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After your post, I began playing with this as I also am annoyed by having to
first determine if the set has all the parts, then to mentally ignore that listing.
I wasn't ware of the advanced search that lets you exclude incomplete sets so
I did gain some useful knowledge here, even though when using it I came across
a few sets that were marked "complete" but the description said minifigs and
extra parts were missing.
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If a seller lists a set as 'complete', but the figs are missing, then it's NOT
complete (the extra parts are no issue), you can report the item...
Personally I don't report 'things' (I'll leave it to buyers to make their choice),
but I could report items on daily bases, I don't report them since I don't like
to be reported for 'small' technicalities (unfortunatly, some people here like
to 'report' stuff). Maybe I should spend more time in 'reporting' but to be
frankly, I don't care...I suppose buyers (and I do buy on BL), can make up their
own mind...
Cheers, Eric
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Anyway, I also still could not get it to filter my "wanted list" results to remove
incomplete sets.
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| | | | | Author: | Draykov | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2011 22:42 | | Subject: | Re: Do not categorize incomplete sets as "NEW" | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I see there's been some additional discussion/deliberation on certain finer points.
That's cool. I'm wondering though, from a strictly functional standpoint as
it relates to the original suggestion: is there not a way to restrict listings
in one's "My Wanted List" by Condition (New/Used) AND subcondition (Incomplete/complete/whatever)?
I can ignore sets over a certain price and of a certain condition, but this
"subcondition" situation is what is fouling things up for me.
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