Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | yorbrick  | | Posted: | Feb 28, 2021 14:29 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | I guess the reasoning is that a lightsaber is only a weapon when it is lit?
No. A lightsaber is always a weapon. A handgun is always a weapon, even when
it isn’t loaded.
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In that case, Prime Empire Red Visors have lightsaber-bayonets:
As do A.I.M. soldiers (Which makes sense, considering 1.) they are A.I.M., and
2.) they need to compete with S.H.I.E.L.D.'s shotgun-axe technology):
LEGO City Police use lightsabers disguised as flashlights (which explains their
lack of guns (except for that one time)):
This is canon: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T5jK4XnaAQQ
Rey actually had her lightsaber built into her staff all along:
Firefighters have an entire rack of lightsabers (for job-security purposes?):
The Ninja use them all the time - As torches:
Built into spears:
Cole has two built into the cockpit of his mech:
Lloyd has one hidden in the bumper of his car (And Nya has another in her trident!):
In seriousness, though, the reasoning is that a lightsaber is only a lightsaber
when it is being used as a lightsaber. Part (64567) has been used in many
other (often non-weapon and non-lightsaber) assemblies as a bar/connector, so
categorising it as a "Minifigure, Weapon" both only acknowledges one possible
use for the part, as well as making the part more difficult to find (since most
would search for it as a bar - particularly considering the fact that Part (92690)
is considered a "Bar", despite its numerous uses in weapon-assemblies). Conversely,
guns are almost never used as anything but guns (Set (76157) is the only
example that I can think of wherein guns are used in a non-weapon assembly),
so leaving them in "Minifigure, Weapon" makes sense.
* |  | 92690 Bar 1L with Top Stud and 2 Side Studs (Connector Perpendicular)
Parts: Bar |
Additionally, Part (66909) is very debatably a weapon, since (at least until
Maul inevitably uses it for his lightsaber) its only use as a weapon has been
as the ends of a staff - It is more often used for flagpoles/railings/other non-weapon
features within the same theme. As such, it should be classified a "Bar", similarly
to Part (92690).
* | | 92690 Bar 1L with Top Stud and 2 Side Studs (Connector Perpendicular)
Parts: Bar |
Moreover, the "a part that can be a weapon always is a weapon"
reasoning could be extended to Part (60849), since it has more often been used
to represent a gun than it has a "Hose Nozzle":
That said, I do not think that Part (60849) should be in the "Minifigure, Weapon"
category, since it has also been used in countless other non-weapon assemblies
(I actually think that it should also be moved to the "Bar" category, as well).
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Okay, we're ready to hear what you want moved.
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Parts (64567), (66909), (61199), and (x156) from "Minifigure, Weapon" to "Bar".
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I understand where your coming from and maybe it might work for just the standard hilts but those curved ones are very much for weapon use and since they ideally need to be in the same location I'm torn between puting them under weapons or bars though bars seems like the wrong description?
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The curved hilts are not weapons themselves, but attachment-points used
to build weapons. Moreover, for the sake of consistency and ease-of-searching,
they should be classified as bars, since that is what they resemble most.
| | At the same time I do actually think these should also be located in the same location as the hilts:-
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Good point - Part (64644) should be moved from "Minifigure, Utensil" to "Bar".
| | So perhaps it just requires a new category 'Bar Holders' or 'Bar Connectors' or if the hilts go under bars I think some re-wording of the category would be required such as 'Bars & Bar Holders'
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I am not sure that an entirely new category is needed, since pieces like Part
(64567) are simultaneously Bars and Bar-Holders, though I would support renaming
the "Bar" category to something like "Bar & Connector".
Agreed - Part (18673) and Part (36017) should be moved from "Minifigure, Weapon"
to "Bar".
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This reads like an argument that
should definitely not be in food, as it has other uses such as dog poop. It only becomes food when put on an ice cream or cake or similar. Otherwise it is just a 1x1 round plate or tile that has been modified with multiple uses. Same with
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The difference is that while there is an obvious alternative category for Part
(64567), et al, there is not one for Parts (53119) and (15470). As they
are neither Plates (as they do not have a stud on the top) nor Tiles (as they
do not have flat tops), they do not belong in either category. The "Food & Drink"
category is where Part (6254) is (despite its having been used for non-food items
such as smoke), which is similar to the parts in-question in that it has no obvious
alternative category.
Now that I think of it, these pieces would actually fit into the new "Cone &
Dome" category, since they are such, respectively (albeit with a swirl/grooved
pattern). This would still leave Part (6254) in "Food & Drink", though. 😕
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Those parts are just as much a (modified) round plate as a dragon's head
hilt is a bar.
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Feb 28, 2021 13:57 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | I guess the reasoning is that a lightsaber is only a weapon when it is lit?
No. A lightsaber is always a weapon. A handgun is always a weapon, even when
it isn’t loaded.
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In that case, Prime Empire Red Visors have lightsaber-bayonets:
As do A.I.M. soldiers (Which makes sense, considering 1.) they are A.I.M., and
2.) they need to compete with S.H.I.E.L.D.'s shotgun-axe technology):
LEGO City Police use lightsabers disguised as flashlights (which explains their
lack of guns (except for that one time)):
This is canon: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T5jK4XnaAQQ
Rey actually had her lightsaber built into her staff all along:
Firefighters have an entire rack of lightsabers (for job-security purposes?):
The Ninja use them all the time - As torches:
Built into spears:
Cole has two built into the cockpit of his mech:
Lloyd has one hidden in the bumper of his car (And Nya has another in her trident!):
In seriousness, though, the reasoning is that a lightsaber is only a lightsaber
when it is being used as a lightsaber. Part (64567) has been used in many
other (often non-weapon and non-lightsaber) assemblies as a bar/connector, so
categorising it as a "Minifigure, Weapon" both only acknowledges one possible
use for the part, as well as making the part more difficult to find (since most
would search for it as a bar - particularly considering the fact that Part (92690)
is considered a "Bar", despite its numerous uses in weapon-assemblies). Conversely,
guns are almost never used as anything but guns (Set (76157) is the only
example that I can think of wherein guns are used in a non-weapon assembly),
so leaving them in "Minifigure, Weapon" makes sense.
* | | 92690 Bar 1L with Top Stud and 2 Side Studs (Connector Perpendicular)
Parts: Bar |
Additionally, Part (66909) is very debatably a weapon, since (at least until
Maul inevitably uses it for his lightsaber) its only use as a weapon has been
as the ends of a staff - It is more often used for flagpoles/railings/other non-weapon
features within the same theme. As such, it should be classified a "Bar", similarly
to Part (92690).
* | | 92690 Bar 1L with Top Stud and 2 Side Studs (Connector Perpendicular)
Parts: Bar |
Moreover, the "a part that can be a weapon always is a weapon"
reasoning could be extended to Part (60849), since it has more often been used
to represent a gun than it has a "Hose Nozzle":
That said, I do not think that Part (60849) should be in the "Minifigure, Weapon"
category, since it has also been used in countless other non-weapon assemblies
(I actually think that it should also be moved to the "Bar" category, as well).
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Okay, we're ready to hear what you want moved.
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Parts (64567), (66909), (61199), and (x156) from "Minifigure, Weapon" to "Bar".
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I understand where your coming from and maybe it might work for just the standard hilts but those curved ones are very much for weapon use and since they ideally need to be in the same location I'm torn between puting them under weapons or bars though bars seems like the wrong description?
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The curved hilts are not weapons themselves, but attachment-points used
to build weapons. Moreover, for the sake of consistency and ease-of-searching,
they should be classified as bars, since that is what they resemble most.
| | At the same time I do actually think these should also be located in the same location as the hilts:-
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Good point - Part (64644) should be moved from "Minifigure, Utensil" to "Bar".
| | So perhaps it just requires a new category 'Bar Holders' or 'Bar Connectors' or if the hilts go under bars I think some re-wording of the category would be required such as 'Bars & Bar Holders'
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I am not sure that an entirely new category is needed, since pieces like Part
(64567) are simultaneously Bars and Bar-Holders, though I would support renaming
the "Bar" category to something like "Bar & Connector".
Agreed - Part (18673) and Part (36017) should be moved from "Minifigure, Weapon"
to "Bar".
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This reads like an argument that
should definitely not be in food, as it has other uses such as dog poop. It only
becomes food when put on an ice cream or cake or similar. Otherwise it is just
a 1x1 round plate or tile that has been modified with multiple uses. Same with
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Feb 27, 2021 16:52 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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The curved hilts are not weapons themselves, but attachment-points used
to build weapons. Moreover, for the sake of consistency and ease-of-searching,
they should be classified as bars, since that is what they resemble most.
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So where will axe heads and some sword blades go, as they are also not weapons
by themselves, just used to build weapons.
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Feb 27, 2021 14:20 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Okay, we're ready to hear what you want moved.
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Parts (15470) and (53119) from "Plate, Round" to "Food and Drink".
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Bon appetit 
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There are not really any other categories where these parts would fit,
though. 😕
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They fit perfectly well in plate, round. If these are moving, presumably the
flowers will also move to plants, and other similar shaped parts will also get
moved out. This may well make things harder to find, as you'd have to look
through multiple categories to find things if you don't know what they are.
Whereas keeping parts based on round plates in the plates, round category means
if you know the shape then you can easily browse all parts with that shape.
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Feb 25, 2021 10:12 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | What does base and thickness mean here?
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You bring up good points. There hasn't been a clear line drawn in the past
between what is a Brick, Modified vs. Plate, Modified. That line could be drawn
as follows:
1. Everything not as tall as a full brick is a modified plate.
2. Everything taller than one plate is a modified brick.
3. Everything between brick and plate goes in a separate in-between category.
The in-between items aren't actually bricks or plates. I went with
number 2 when writing category definitions rather than trying to create entirely
new categories for these items, but the same basic arguments could be made for
going with number 1 instead.
I'll attempt to modify the definitions (including possibly going with number
1 instead) to make a little more sense out of the whole thing.
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This was a part I couldn't recall/find earlier.
If this wasn't technic but a regular plate with regular bricks on the sides,
when considering the base of the part, is it a plate with bricks added on,
or a 1 1/3 high brick with a large hole cut out of it. I guess it is one of those
"depends" answers, like is an in-between jumper style part a plate with studs
removed or a tile with studs added.
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