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 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: May 25, 2020 13:02
 Subject: Re: Disable Buyer's Ability to mark order Paid
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In Suggestions, Mistress_Lisa writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, Mistress_Lisa writes:
  Someone just ordered from me and marked the order paid when I haven't even
sent an invoice yet! But now the line is grayed out, and I am unable to send
an invoice!

I'm pretty sure that's a bug.. buyers can't change the order status
to paid, only sellers or onsite payment can.

  Why is there even the option for a buyer to mark the order paid?
As a seller, it doesn't matter to me if the numbers are in bold (showing
'paid' since I don't think it is paid until I check Paypal to make
sure it is in my account. (or received the check in the mail or whatever).
Like Scrooge, I don't ship until I have the 'cash in hand', so I
should be the only one to mark it paid. (or the Paypal link, that is fine too,
just not the buyer).

Lisa at Brick Dungeon

So.. are you talking about the order status, or about the grand total showing
in bold because the buyer submitted the payment? You'd want to remove the
latter just because you don't need it? Well, I need it.. not everyone
works with PayPal. If buyers send me bank transfers, I need to see that so that
I can ship their order or verify the payment. It's a pretty important feature
to me.

Well, drats. I guess that isn't the solution either. But I have checked my
Paypal account, and there is NO payment from the buyer. And yet, since he marked
it paid, everything is grayed out and I cannot add a shipping amount or send
an invoice! Frustrating!! Okay, so a better solution may be that BrickLink does
NOT gray out the options!!

Lisa

Hi Lisa,

You should be able to send an invoice. One of the changes we made last week was
to allow an invoice regardless of order status:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1198619

(7) b. Sellers can send an invoice independent of order status

This has also been reverted to the way it was originally. And sending an invoice
will not automatically change the Order Status.


So if you can't send an invoice, that's a bug and we'll need to get
it fixed.

Regarding being able to change the charges on an order after the order has been
paid, this is something we did not revert last week, and a number of sellers
have come forward with situations where they still would like to use this option.
I will gather up these comments and re-open this issue with the team this coming
week to see if we can be more flexible.

Although, my understanding of the "Paid" status would be that the seller would
have to mark it as paid, or it would be marked as paid as a result of an onsite
payment transaction. I would not consider a buyer marking something as "Paid"
as something that should limit the seller's options in any way. Maybe there
is some confusion on this depending on whether the seller has enabled the option
of separating payment status from order status.

Also, and I extend this to anyone who has an order status that is stuck for whatever
reason. Please contact me and I will change the order status for you manually.
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: May 14, 2020 12:36
 Subject: Re: Pink, light pink and paradisa pink
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 Topic: Colors
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In Colors, Miro78 writes:
  In Colors, StormChaser writes:
  In Colors, WoutR writes:
  I don't know what the current status is of the planned catalog color project,

Still planned.

It would probably be best to update all the existing catalog guidelines before
doing much of anything else major and that's what we're working on.

I've attached a photo showing where we are on this.

No highlighting = not updated, but should be relatively easy updates
Yellow highlighting = not updated and will be controversial/difficult updates
Pink highlighting = expected completion by June 1st
Green highlighting = completed updates

Will Colors (#10) and/or Colors Additional Notes (#11) include having both BL
and Official Lego naming & lego color ID on this list? https://www.bricklink.com/catalogColors.asp?utm_content=subnav

It would be beneficial if it contained real image examples in some sort of grid
format perhaps on a separate page as a visual aide of what the colors look like,
for those that are new or unsure on some of these.

You can click "with images" or "thumbnail gallery" and you will see this sort
of display:

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogColors.asp?v=1&itemType=P&itemNo=

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogColors.asp?v=2&itemType=P&itemNo=

  I know Ryan Howerter has done
excellent job at this already.

He does. That is a great resource.
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: May 14, 2020 12:29
 Subject: Re: Pink, light pink and paradisa pink
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In Colors, WoutR writes:
  I don't know what the current status is of the planned catalog color project,
but in preparation here is a photo of some pink parts.

The parts on the left are LEGO Light Reddish Violet. The parts on the
right are LEGO Rose. Both are called pink on BrickLink.

Rose is commonly called "Paradisa Pink" and is often sold as "Light Pink" on
BrickLink.


I am not sure if BrickLink's Light Pink actually exist. I suspect many are
misidentified.

One of the solutions is to simply start using Light Pink for the early pink color.
Some sellers are already doing this.

However, the bigger problem is fitting the new color into our inventory system.
It would be great if the first two set years of Paradisa (1992-1993) the sets
only contained the early pink. But later copies of even the earliest Paradisa
sets have been found with the new pink.

So then we would be stuck with the same situation as the 2003-2004 color changes,
where large parts of an inventory are labeled color alternates. This presents
a very practical problem in that mold variants would compete for space in the
inventory. We give preference to mold variant over minor color variant, but it's
a choice no Inv Admin wants to make.

BrickLink did a survey of these colors in Brickworld Chicago in 2018. It was
called the Pink Challenge and participants were asked simply to sort by color
a dozen pink colored parts in a tray. These included the modern Bright Pink.
Almost everyone clearly distinguished the early pink color, though there was
little consensus on what to call it. I think we ended up with about 50 different
name suggestions by the end of the event.
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: May 11, 2020 00:20
 Subject: Re: No Dimensions in Catalog
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In Suggestions, SchmickBricks writes:
  Can we please have a function to search for items in our inventory with no catalog
dimensions? We already have one to search for weight, but not dimensions for
some strange reason.

I'm getting tired of bulky items sneaking through Instant checkout at letter
rates because they're missing catalog dimensions, and I have no way of finding
which items need me to manually enter their dimensions.

The solution is already there for you. Be sure you have dimensions / weight turned
on for your store and then select the "Instant Checkout Unavailable" box in the
Show More Options section in your store inventory.
 


 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: May 10, 2020 02:27
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Minifig con004
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In Inventories, randyf writes:
  In Inventories, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Inventories Requests, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory: [M=con004]

* Delete 1 Part 3840pb01 Yellow Minifigure, Vest with Black Upward Chevron Pattern (Stickers)
* Add 1 Part 3840pb18 Yellow Minifigure, Vest with Black Chevron Pattern

Comments from Submitter:
MIB set from my childhood.

We don't usually change the minifig inventories themselves. Instead we create
a new minifig:
 
Minifig No: con013  Name: Plain Blue Torso with Blue Arms, Black Legs, Red Construction Helmet, Yellow Vest with Black Chevrons (Printed)
* 
con013 (Inv) Plain Blue Torso with Blue Arms, Black Legs, Red Construction Helmet, Yellow Vest with Black Chevrons (Printed)
Minifigures: Town: Classic Town
I have added it to this set because you mentioned MIB contents from childhood:
 
Set No: 607  Name: Mini Loader
* 
607-1 (Inv) Mini Loader
14 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1979
Sets: Town: Classic Town: Construction

Please let me know if this is not correct.

That inventory is still wrong. The regular minifig should be one without the
stickers on the vest so that the one with the stickers becomes a counterpart.

Yes. It's the same situation we solved with the yellow castle set a few years
ago:
 
Set No: 375  Name: Castle
* 
375-2 (Inv) Castle
706 Parts, 14 Minifigures, 1978
Sets: Castle: Classic Castle
 
Minifig No: cas088a  Name: Classic - Yellow Castle Knight Red
* 
cas088a (Inv) Classic - Yellow Castle Knight Red
Minifigures: Castle: Classic Castle
 
Minifig No: cas088s  Name: Classic - Yellow Castle Knight Red - with Vest Stickers
* 
cas088s (Inv) Classic - Yellow Castle Knight Red - with Vest Stickers
Minifigures: Castle: Classic Castle
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: May 9, 2020 20:19
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Minifig con004
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In Inventories Requests, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory: [M=con004]

* Delete 1 Part 3840pb01 Yellow Minifigure, Vest with Black Upward Chevron Pattern (Stickers)
* Add 1 Part 3840pb18 Yellow Minifigure, Vest with Black Chevron Pattern

Comments from Submitter:
MIB set from my childhood.

We don't usually change the minifig inventories themselves. Instead we create
a new minifig:
 
Minifig No: con013  Name: Plain Blue Torso with Blue Arms, Black Legs, Red Construction Helmet, Yellow Vest with Black Chevrons (Printed)
* 
con013 (Inv) Plain Blue Torso with Blue Arms, Black Legs, Red Construction Helmet, Yellow Vest with Black Chevrons (Printed)
Minifigures: Town: Classic Town
I have added it to this set because you mentioned MIB contents from childhood:
 
Set No: 607  Name: Mini Loader
* 
607-1 (Inv) Mini Loader
14 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1979
Sets: Town: Classic Town: Construction

Please let me know if this is not correct.
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: May 5, 2020 17:03
 Subject: Re: Part Lists
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In Suggestions, pete_brick writes:
  I never use the online Lego inventories, in fact I wouldn't know where to
find them. What I do is print or photocopy the pages in the set instructions
and use those as my primary list for parts that should be in a set. I augment
that with Brickset and bricklink lists.
The 3D function on briclink is especially helpful.

peter

For most sets, Brickset = online LEGO inventories
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: May 4, 2020 21:21
 Subject: Re: Prevent buyer from setting status as.....
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In Suggestions, toontexas writes:
  With the recent changes re. the order statuses, is it possible to prevent buyers
from setting an order as Complete BEFORE the seller has set the order as Shipped?

Many sellers follow their own protocols when processing orders, and orders that
show up as Complete even before they've actually been pulled can really throw
a spanner in the works.

Your suggestion was already part of the new order status work that was done,
but there is a bug allowing buyers to do this. This was never intended and will
be corrected at the next deployment.
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Apr 25, 2020 17:55
 Subject: Re: set 558 - counter part drum with sticker
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In Catalog, edk writes:
  In Catalog, sebastianlego writes:
  gray color comparison, from top:
Dark bluish
Light bluish
Light gray
Dark gray on sword
unknown gray on drum

That color of LG also appears in classic space sets in this part.
 
Part No: 4085a  Name: Plate, Modified 1 x 1 with Open O Clip Thin (Vertical Grip)
* 
4085a Plate, Modified 1 x 1 with Open O Clip Thin (Vertical Grip)
Parts: Plate, Modified

Yes. This is due to the different type of plastic. It should be listed in BrickLink
inventories as Light Gray.
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Apr 25, 2020 14:41
 Subject: Re: Item Type Discussion
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In Catalog, cosmicray writes:
  In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog, wahiggin writes:

  So each car from Cars could become minifigs too?

 
Set No: 9485  Name: Ultimate Race Set
* 
9485-1 (Inv) Ultimate Race Set
122 Parts, 4 Minifigures, 2012
Sets: Cars: Cars 2

Some of them already are:
 
Minifig No: crs018  Name: Lightning McQueen - Red, 'Rust-eze' in Fancy Script
* 
crs018 (Inv) Lightning McQueen - Red, 'Rust-eze' in Fancy Script
Minifigures: Cars: Cars 3
 
Minifig No: crs013  Name: Junior Moon
* 
crs013 (Inv) Junior Moon
Minifigures: Cars: Cars 3
 
Minifig No: crs016  Name: Tow Mater - Hinges Boom
* 
crs016 (Inv) Tow Mater - Hinges Boom
Minifigures: Cars: Cars 3

So, the sellers who are listing individual cars from
 
Set No: 8639  Name: Big Bentley Bust Out
* 
8639-1 (Inv) Big Bentley Bust Out
439 Parts, 7 Minifigures, 2011
Sets: Cars: Cars 2
should create
catalog entries, and move those listings out of the 8639 set (where they are
cluttering things up) ? Out of the first 25 listings, 14 are individual cars.
A few of them, it would appear, already have catalog entries.

Can I do the same thing for
 
Set No: 4579  Name: Ice Ramp Racers
* 
4579-1 (Inv) Ice Ramp Racers
110 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 2001
Sets: Racers: Xalax
, and (finally) have a home for the two
racers ? (which to date I have in Custom listings)

Nita Rae

The cars entries, together with the sp00x line are an experiment. We needed the
cars to be minifigs so we could easily compare with partout value over a period
of time.

But at this moment, we do not want such things to be added. We need to figure
out the best way moving forward first.
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Apr 25, 2020 00:55
 Subject: Re: Item Type Discussion
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In Catalog, wahiggin writes:

  So each car from Cars could become minifigs too?

 
Set No: 9485  Name: Ultimate Race Set
* 
9485-1 (Inv) Ultimate Race Set
122 Parts, 4 Minifigures, 2012
Sets: Cars: Cars 2

Some of them already are:
 
Minifig No: crs018  Name: Lightning McQueen - Red, 'Rust-eze' in Fancy Script
* 
crs018 (Inv) Lightning McQueen - Red, 'Rust-eze' in Fancy Script
Minifigures: Cars: Cars 3
 
Minifig No: crs013  Name: Junior Moon
* 
crs013 (Inv) Junior Moon
Minifigures: Cars: Cars 3
 
Minifig No: crs016  Name: Tow Mater - Hinges Boom
* 
crs016 (Inv) Tow Mater - Hinges Boom
Minifigures: Cars: Cars 3
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Apr 25, 2020 00:41
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 107-1
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In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 107  Name: 4.5V Motor Set (Universal Motor Set/Complete Motor Set)
* 
107-1 (Inv) 4.5V Motor Set (Universal Motor Set/Complete Motor Set)
25 Parts, 1976
Sets: Universal Building Set: Supplemental

* Delete 2 Part bb0141c01 Blue Electric, Connector, 2-Way Male Rounded Narrow Type 1 with Cross-Cut Pins (match ID 2)
* Delete 1 Part x466 White Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with two Leads, unspecified length (match ID 2)
* Add 1 Part bb0141ac11 White Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, with 2 Blue Electric, Connector, 2-Way Male Rounded Narrow Type 1 with Cross-Cut Pins, 11 Studs Long (match ID 2)

Comments from Submitter:
This is the first variation of wire/connector assembly for this train.
bb0141ac11 was indeed first used for this set in 1975 (and appeared as alternate for other sets)

No, this wire should be longer. The short wires were just used for trains.
 
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Apr 23, 2020 15:51
 Subject: Re: Images/Renders Part 4447
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In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:

  All the colour images look like LEGO renders and if you look closely, the studs
aren’t hollow, it’s the angle and the logo that make a shadow that may look like
they are.

Those are not LEGO renders. They are renders from something else. And the images
definitely show hollow studs. I don't know how they could be interpreted
as anything else. If the part really has solid studs, all of the images need
to be replaced.

Cheers,
Randy

Those are Studio renders from the 2017 image project. We retained all photographs
in that project and only replaced render with render. In this case there were
no official LEGO renders available and our only guideline for accuracy was the
lo-rez LDraw render that was just deleted.

I agree, if the actual part only ever had solid studs all of these images need
to be replaced.
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Apr 23, 2020 13:20
 Subject: Re: Instructions
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In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
  But we differentiate between
 
Part No: 76065stk01a  Name: Sticker Sheet for Set 76065 - International Version - (25916/6143838)
* 
76065stk01a Sticker Sheet for Set 76065 - International Version - (25916/6143838)
Parts: Sticker Sheet
 
Part No: 76065stk01b  Name: Sticker Sheet for Set 76065 - North American Version - (25917/6143840)
* 
76065stk01b Sticker Sheet for Set 76065 - North American Version - (25917/6143840)
Parts: Sticker Sheet
and the only difference is the number tells you whether it was formatted for
printing on US vs. EU standard paper.

just the same as the instructions.

Sticker sheets are considered parts - that's why there is this fussiness.
I agree - this is really splitting hairs, and I have commented on more than
one occasion that you could switch the two entries around back and forth and
likely no one would notice.

But fixing something like this is like removing a variant from the catalog that
people have spent time distinguishing. I actually have a list of parts (other
than stickers) where the variant is clearly out of the BrickLink scope, but removing
them from the catalog is something I'm not ready to pursue at this time.
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Apr 23, 2020 11:48
 Subject: Re: Instructions
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In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
  Why aren't there separate catalog entries for the US vs. Foreign instructions
on set entries? They have different id codes printed on them. Lego differentiates
between them if you are reprinting them.

Print Versions
Building instructions labeled "NA" or "V39" may be printed on US standard letter
size paper
Building instructions labeled "IN" or "V29" may be printed on EU standard A4
paper

BrickLink as a rule does not differentiate between minor variations when it comes
to sets. Boxes, instructions, and even contents can be slightly different, but
there is usually only a single entry.

BrickLink's primary focus as a marketplace has always been parts, and so
you'll find more variations present in that Item Type.
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Apr 22, 2020 02:09
 Subject: Re: Torso and Leg Assemblies Categories Split
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In Catalog, MasterMinifigs writes:
  Good to know, I just spent 10 minutes trying to figure out why my printed legs
were showing up in my searches but not in my store separately. I'll check
back tomorrow.

Now that nightly maintenance has run, I just checked and the printed legs category
is showing in the store front. It is simply a cache issue.
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Apr 20, 2020 23:55
 Subject: Re: A few more Preference options
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In Suggestions, JWBDolphins writes:
  
  
  
Secondly, along these lines, I would like to see a few more preferences saved
when I select a part. Specifically, a lot of times I have to click "More Options"
and I always have to select "Seller Location". I would like to see both of those
as saved options so I don't have to select them every time I bring up a new
part.

You can select location:
https://www.bricklink.com/wantedSettings.asp?viewFrom=P



I Have found that setting in my wanted lists and that works well - thanks! I
would like to see that added to the Catalog/Parts screen when I pick a specific
part too. Just less clicking, I'm lazy!

Keep poking around. You'll find a wealth of personalized settings on BrickLink:

https://www.bricklink.com/searchSettings.asp?viewFrom=P

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogOptions.asp?viewFrom=P

https://www.bricklink.com/v2/settings/pref_settings.page
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Apr 19, 2020 20:04
 Subject: Re: Varaitions of window 29
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In Catalog, SezaR writes:

  Overall, we have 5 variations but 6 entries:
 
Part No: 29  Name: Window 1 x 1 x 2
* 
29 Window 1 x 1 x 2
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 29a  Name: Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Extended Lip and Solid Stud, no Glass
* 
29a Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Extended Lip and Solid Stud, no Glass
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 29b  Name: Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Extended Lip, no Glass
* 
29b Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Extended Lip, no Glass
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 29c01  Name: Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Trans-Clear Glass (29 / 29glass)
* 
29c01 (Inv) Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Trans-Clear Glass (29 / 29glass)
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 29ac01  Name: Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Extended Lip and Solid Stud, with Fixed Glass
* 
29ac01 Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Extended Lip and Solid Stud, with Fixed Glass
Parts: Window
 
Part No: 29bc01  Name: Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Extended Lip, with Glass
* 
29bc01 Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Extended Lip, with Glass
Parts: Window

Shall I just request the names of there entries to be changed to indicated the
thier type of lip, stud and with/without glass?

There is some work to be done on all early windows and doors. This means entries,
photos, inventories, etc. But first, and most importantly, it means knowledge
of the parts and knowledge of what the current BrickLink entries mean.

To get knowledge of the parts, you need to obtain all different colors and types.
Don't get angry with sellers if they send you the wrong type. Sometimes you
will find a new type that way.

To understand what the BrickLink entries mean, take the Item Name literally.

so for this:
 
Part No: 29c01  Name: Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Trans-Clear Glass (29 / 29glass)
* 
29c01 (Inv) Window 1 x 1 x 2 with Trans-Clear Glass (29 / 29glass)
Parts: Window

The glass could be fixed or not, the stud could be solid or not, and the lip
could be extended or not. Do not imply meaning based on other entries or the
image, especially if it is a render.

What needs to be done is to make a chart of all possible 1 x 2 window variations,
and place next to it a chart of all current variants on BrickLink. Then we have
to decide which new entries we need and which need to be decommissioned. It is
not wise to simply change the item names, because the listings could then become
wrong as a result.

Some basic background on early windows - removable "glass" was only used in the
very earliest of windows. It later became "fixed", i.e. not removable, and in
some cases, the latest versions came with no glass, for example with the 1 x
1 window.

As a disclaimer, I do not know the history of parts of the sixties like I know
those from the seventies. If I did a project like this, I'm sure I would
learn a lot about those earlier parts and be able to give a lot more background.
If you can find Gary Istok's guide, you will learn a wealth of information
about this and similar subjects.

I know it's tempting to want to just start submitting changes based on what
you see in the BrickLink catalog already, but if it were that simple, someone
already would have done it. Usually these kinds of projects need the help of
several different people, and to do that, the best way is to get the project
on the catalog roadmap.

Another point of consideration here is the place / need for subparts. BrickLink
is very inconsistent on this, and the reason is mostly practical. If you have
to break an item to get photos for the entries of subparts, you're probably
going too far. Some subparts are useful if sellers have a market for them, but
when you start making entries just to have complete inventories of every part
with a "c" in the Item Name, you are filling up the early parts sections with
entries that might never be used, or even worse might be misunderstood by either
the buyer or the seller. We've got a number of subpart entries on BrickLink
that have a rendered image because it's almost impossible to find an actual
example of the part.
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Apr 18, 2020 23:36
 Subject: Re: Does 726-1 have any minifigure?
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In Inventories, randyf writes:

  
  I would agree that it would be easier if we just started with minifigs in 1978
with the moveable arms and legs. After all, we don't list these as minifigs:
 
Part No: 685px3c01  Name: Homemaker Figure / Maxifigure Torso Assembly with Yellow Head with Black Eyes, Freckles, and Smile Pattern (792c03 / 685px3)
* 
685px3c01 (Inv) Homemaker Figure / Maxifigure Torso Assembly with Yellow Head with Black Eyes, Freckles, and Smile Pattern (792c03 / 685px3)
Parts: Homemaker

The problem, though, is that the stiff minifigs *were* the original minifigure
as described by the LEGO Group in their literature. Are we really going to remove
those figures from the catalog?

Could you point me towards some literature that shows this? I am interested in
learning more.

From this 1976 catalog:
 
Catalog No: c76us  Name: 1976 Large US (98.400-US)
* 
c76us 1976 Large US (98.400-US)
Catalogs: 1976
see attached photo.

  
  Minifigs as a whole sell much better than the
separate parts, and the tendency of the market would actually be to go the other
way and start listing the large figures in inventories as well.

I agree, but what kind of a market are we talking about for these types of minifigs?

Most vintage items will never sell like the newest minifig series or even the
early Star Wars sets. There just wasn't the volume of sales in the 1970's
as there is today, so it has to be seen in context.

But I think most sellers would jump at the chance to list the big figures from
the 1970's if they occupied the minifig position in inventories. But right
now, each part of those figures is listed separately. In reality the head, torso,
arms and hands came fully assembled in every market outside of Canada. See here
for more info:

https://www.bricklink.com/aboutMe.asp?u=viejos&pageID=16500
 
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Apr 18, 2020 20:01
 Subject: Re: Does 726-1 have any minifigure?
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In Inventories, randyf writes:
  In Inventories, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Inventories, randyf writes:
  In Inventories, SezaR writes:
  There is no minifigure built in this set. The legs of two minifigs are not built
under their torso. The third minifig does not even have a minifi.

Should rather the parts of the minifigs appear in the regular section?

According to the instructions, I agree with your assessment. Although, it could
be argued that the first two minifigures use the black 1x2 bricks as their legs.
I would not consider the third one to be a minifigure at all. I would like to
hear other opinions on this before we make changes.

Cheers,
Randy

There is an exception with these early "stiff" minifigures. Because they often
had to be built into the model, we don't use the instructions as the final
word on how they are listed in the inventory. So I would say the two with offset
legs should absolutely be listed as whole minifigs, because this is how these
figures were often made to "sit".

In the early days of BrickLink inventories, sometimes these types of cases resulted
in minifigures being listed as counterparts. But that's a bad precedent to
set, and most or all of these have since been moved to the regular section.

The one on the horse is tough, because of examples like this:
 
Set No: 617  Name: Cowboys
* 
617-1 (Inv) Cowboys
37 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1976
Sets: LEGOLAND: Western: Cowboys
...which I personally verified from a sealed set. There is no extra legs piece.

Or this is even worse:
 
Set No: 372  Name: Texas Rangers
* 
372-1 (Inv) Texas Rangers
259 Parts, 1977
Sets: LEGOLAND: Western: Cowboys
Here, no minifigs have ever been added, presumably because it would be strange
to list this set as having only 2 or 3 minifigs when it could be argued that
there are 6. So until now, this set has been treated like those LEGO Education
packs where no minifigs are defined and everything is just loose parts in the
inventory.

Since there is so much confusion with these early stiff figures, I wonder if
it is even necessary to list them as full minifigures unless they were ever shown
as full figures in the instructions. It seems like the parts were just meant
to be used to build a lot of different play scenarios instead of actually represent
a whole figure. I hate exceptions, and an exception for these early figures seems
uncalled for. This probably needs to be wrapped into Project 23 on the Catalog
Roadmap.

Cheers,
Randy

I would agree that it would be easier if we just started with minifigs in 1978
with the moveable arms and legs. After all, we don't list these as minifigs:
 
Part No: 685px3c01  Name: Homemaker Figure / Maxifigure Torso Assembly with Yellow Head with Black Eyes, Freckles, and Smile Pattern (792c03 / 685px3)
* 
685px3c01 (Inv) Homemaker Figure / Maxifigure Torso Assembly with Yellow Head with Black Eyes, Freckles, and Smile Pattern (792c03 / 685px3)
Parts: Homemaker

The problem, though, is that the stiff minifigs *were* the original minifigure
as described by the LEGO Group in their literature. Are we really going to remove
those figures from the catalog? Minifigs as a whole sell much better than the
separate parts, and the tendency of the market would actually be to go the other
way and start listing the large figures in inventories as well.
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In Inventories, randyf writes:
  In Inventories, SezaR writes:
  There is no minifigure built in this set. The legs of two minifigs are not built
under their torso. The third minifig does not even have a minifi.

Should rather the parts of the minifigs appear in the regular section?

According to the instructions, I agree with your assessment. Although, it could
be argued that the first two minifigures use the black 1x2 bricks as their legs.
I would not consider the third one to be a minifigure at all. I would like to
hear other opinions on this before we make changes.

Cheers,
Randy

There is an exception with these early "stiff" minifigures. Because they often
had to be built into the model, we don't use the instructions as the final
word on how they are listed in the inventory. So I would say the two with offset
legs should absolutely be listed as whole minifigs, because this is how these
figures were often made to "sit".

In the early days of BrickLink inventories, sometimes these types of cases resulted
in minifigures being listed as counterparts. But that's a bad precedent to
set, and most or all of these have since been moved to the regular section.

The one on the horse is tough, because of examples like this:
 
Set No: 617  Name: Cowboys
* 
617-1 (Inv) Cowboys
37 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1976
Sets: LEGOLAND: Western: Cowboys
...which I personally verified from a sealed set. There is no extra legs piece.

Or this is even worse:
 
Set No: 372  Name: Texas Rangers
* 
372-1 (Inv) Texas Rangers
259 Parts, 1977
Sets: LEGOLAND: Western: Cowboys
Here, no minifigs have ever been added, presumably because it would be strange
to list this set as having only 2 or 3 minifigs when it could be argued that
there are 6. So until now, this set has been treated like those LEGO Education
packs where no minifigs are defined and everything is just loose parts in the
inventory.
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 Posted: Apr 14, 2020 11:09
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 10066-1
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In Inventories Requests, paulvdb writes:
  In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 10066  Name: Castle Accessories
* 
10066-1 (Inv) Castle Accessories
30 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 2002
Sets: Bulk Bricks: Castle

* Change 1 Part White 6265 Arm Skeleton {Regular to Extra}

Comments from Submitter:
I think it it obvious that this is an extra part.

Correct. Only two of these are supposed to be in the set in they are in the minifigure.
This also brings the part count down to 36 which is what it says on the packaging.
 
Original Box No: 10066  Name: Castle Accessories
* 
10066-1 Castle Accessories
Original Boxes: Bulk Bricks: Castle

That is one of the very first inventories submitted to BrickLink. The Inv IDs
are in the double digits.
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Apr 8, 2020 17:51
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6775-1
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In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
  In Inventories Requests, Dino1 writes:
  In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
  In Inventories Requests, brixaway writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 6775  Name: Alpha Team Bomb Squad
* 
6775-1 (Inv) Alpha Team Bomb Squad
177 Parts, 3 Minifigures, 2001
Sets: Alpha Team

* Delete 1 Part 3673 Light Gray Technic, Pin without Friction Ridges Lengthwise (match ID 99)

Comments from Submitter:
Can not find where this part is used in the instruction manual.

This set was redesigned during production. The first version of the set has all
of the parts in the Regular Items section with Match ID 99, and the second version
of the set has all of the parts in the Alternate Items section with Match ID
99. It sounds like you have the second version of the set. Since the inventory
is correct, this request will not be accepted.

Cheers,
Randy

I think the 2nd version is wrong. The changed parts do not fit.

I am the one who discovered the differences in 2012, and I was the one who compared
the two inventories originally. I would hope that I would have gotten it right
back then, but I can check again.

I'm pretty sure you did get it right. I found both sets of instructions a
few years ago and worked through the differences as well.
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Mar 26, 2020 12:44
 Subject: Re: ToysRUs & Barnes&Noble Build Event Sets
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In Catalog, fooleeze writes:
  Thank you all for the replies. I will certainly consider listing as 'custom'
items.

If you don't mind me asking, why do they choose not to add these to the catalog?
(Maybe you won't know, but I am curious anyways). They are official Lego
sets with Lego pieces, and the instructions have Lego logo and trademark all
over it. I thought it fit into the requirements for adding to the catalog.
Thanks for your time, I'm just trying to understand the guidelines for the
catalog.

Todd

I believe it has to do with the fact that they were not originally a sealed,
packed product.
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In Catalog, Legoboy_II writes:
  How rude... I collect sets like these and would be interested in seeing what
this seller has; I might wish to purchase one, or more, and that would be profitable
for everyone, I would think?

So, since this site is not willing to assist a seller list their items, what
methods are available for us collectors to patronize sellers without violating
any of the site's "rules"?

Thanks for your consideration...

You can sell them in the Custom Items section.

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