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 Author: oukexergon View Messages Posted By oukexergon
 Posted: Apr 22, 2024 11:21
 Subject: Re: tracking
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In Help, GiGiFox writes:
  Where can I find the tracking number on orders?

If you paid with Paypal, it may also be they made it available through Paypal
directly.
 Author: oukexergon View Messages Posted By oukexergon
 Posted: Mar 20, 2024 11:50
 Subject: Re: How many mistakes in an order are OK?
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In Buying, BrickBonder writes:
  How many mistakes in an order do you all tolerate before contacting a seller?


Zero. As a seller, I don't accept any errors on my part, seeking 100% accuracy.
As a buyer, I reach out to the seller even with small issues. Even if not seeking
a replacement or refund, it may help them become better sellers (or help straighten
their inventories).
 Author: oukexergon View Messages Posted By oukexergon
 Posted: Mar 8, 2024 10:21
 Subject: Re: Trans neon green goblet
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In Colors, robertomcevoya writes:
  Thanks guys
But I can't find this in the BrickLink catalogue.

Are you sure it's not a knock-off?
 Author: oukexergon View Messages Posted By oukexergon
 Posted: Mar 8, 2024 10:10
 Subject: Re: Seriously? - end of the world as we know it
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Oops, didn't even notice; I'll try to be more attentive onwards.

In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  Don’t quote foul language please.

In Catalog, oukexergon writes:
  In Catalog, knightmove_g1f3 writes:
  Yeah, right:
[redacted]

Build a set from 1975 with today's parts and sell it as vintage for a few
hundred bucks.

An era of endless opportunities to cash in has just begun - and Bricklink's
inventories will support it.

PS:
And I don't feel fine...


It's pointless to argue. They already know what is lost in this, they just
do not care. Ultimately the frosted bricks issue is probably one of the least
offensive here--all trans-clear parts from beyond a certain date (though
what the precise date is is less than clear, but it would certainly impact a
1975 set) are frosted, due to the age, quality of the mold and plastic that was
used. But your point is still well-taken.

Unfortunately, rather than having a catalog that is as precise as can be, perhaps
only to be improved over time, warts and all, BL execs (meaning Lego execs) are
pushing this down on all BL users to the exclusive benefit of Lego. Obviously,
as you hint, minimizing or eliminating historic variations of production parts
means more profit directly flowing to TLG, and away from BL sellers. Some big
new-parts sellers on BL do not care (right now) because they see this as a way
to ease their processes and direct more buyers to their own stores. All you'll
hear from them is "most people don't care" (as if they could possibly
know) and "this isn't your website" (as if that magically made watering
down the quality of the site a good idea).
 Author: oukexergon View Messages Posted By oukexergon
 Posted: Mar 7, 2024 09:52
 Subject: Re: difference in pieces
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In Catalog, j2_aurorayahoo writes:
  Hi, I am new to Bricklink and am still learning how it works. I have many old
sets from my son, all from the late 90's and am trying to put them all together.
I have the instruction books for about 98% but am finding the books differ from
the set inventories on this site. For instance the Flame Chaser Helicopter #6531.
I have been using this reference to find all the pieces needed but now am concerned
that the instructions I have differ from the inventory I have been collecting.
Not really sure what my question is,, but am concerned the pieces don't
add up to the instruction books I have. I came online as some of the pieces were
difficult to see very well and was unsure of the colors needed. Why would these
differ from the instructions?
Hope this makes sense

That is one particularly difficult set to inventory. See note in Rebrickable,
which accounts for more variations (one of which I have!):
https://rebrickable.com/sets/6531-1/flame-chaser/
 Author: oukexergon View Messages Posted By oukexergon
 Posted: Mar 5, 2024 17:14
 Subject: Re: Seriously?
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In Catalog, Adjour writes:
  In Catalog, oukexergon writes:
  In Catalog, Adjour writes:
  
   BL will survive just fine this time, but if
another batch of merges ever comes, at least they will lose my business.

Yet another user making another empty, histrionic threat. It's almost a script
at this point.

Threat? How is this a threat? The site will literally lose its value if it continues
down this path (not saying it has yet).

If you literally can't understand how you threatening to stop shopping here
is a considered a threat. I can't help you.



  In the end people will need a different source to complete sets accurately.


Ok. I sort of agree with that point, but I don't get the emotional gyrations.
It is what it is. You don't own the site.

You and the other, 10 ish people who are super upset could be putting all that
energy and time into creating that if it matters as much as you all insist. But
no, time is better spent complaining. Per usual.


Crystal

It's not a threat because it's not in any way implying vindictiveness.
When the utility of the site erodes beyond a certain point, my business will
simply have to go elsewhere. I keep saying we're not there yet, but it's
worthwhile reflecting on the culture/direction these changes represent and how
that will affect the bottom line of BL and its sellers in general. In fact, as
many have argued, a LOT of business for the deleted parts will inevitably go
to B&Ps (something not unlikely by design). There is no threat here, it's
just how businesses work.
 Author: oukexergon View Messages Posted By oukexergon
 Posted: Mar 5, 2024 16:45
 Subject: Re: Seriously?
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In Catalog, Adjour writes:
  
   BL will survive just fine this time, but if
another batch of merges ever comes, at least they will lose my business.

Yet another user making another empty, histrionic threat. It's almost a script
at this point.

Threat? How is this a threat? The site will literally lose its value if it continues
down this path (not saying it has yet). In the end people will need a different
source to complete sets accurately.
 Author: oukexergon View Messages Posted By oukexergon
 Posted: Mar 5, 2024 16:41
 Subject: Re: Seriously?
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In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
  70K+ orders, 30K+ buyers, hundreds LEGO AFOLs, MOC builders, casual fans met
in person.
Of course, I have no "proof" (at least, to show you).

But instead, maybe you've forgotten the essence of LEGO: to build, play,
represent or recreate the world, every day and nowadays?

Case in point, the same tiresome argument. I'm not going to go in circles
again: you know full well you have no idea what any of those people actually
believe on this issue. It's literally impossible unless you have conducted
a secret survey of all those individuals you interacted with. Even then, it would
be anecdotal, since anyone can speak from experience. I can even guarantee you
that if any, absolutely any, of those individuals were to try to complete an
old set, they would prefer to complete it with the right part, not with a newer
version or a different part. Unfortunately for the dialogue on this site and
everyone putting up with this repeated argument, *you wouldn't ever know
if you are not in the business of distinguishing these parts to begin with*.
It's really not that complicated to understand, but you keep going on and
on about knowing how most people feel about this merger without knowing a thing.
This is the last time I'll point out the absurdity of this argument--you
will just keep repeating it no matter how absurd it may be.
 Author: oukexergon View Messages Posted By oukexergon
 Posted: Mar 5, 2024 16:18
 Subject: Re: Newly merged items without variant notes
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In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, Abrickadabra writes:
  I noticed that newly merged part 44302 has no description summarising the variants
- I'm not sure if this is a common oversight on all the merged pieces as
I've only checked this one.

I'm used to seeing variant messages for parts that have "soft" variants
- why do these merges not have them? I'd argue they are clearly significant
variants worth noting if they used to be listed separately.

Cheers


An additional note has been added. I am trying to add notes as the merges happen.
However, since I am not the one doing the merging, I have to check things after
the fact and may miss one here or there. Thanks for the notice.

Cheers,
Randy

To my dismay, this is a merged page too, without a note indicating the different
merged parts.
 
Part No: 2454  Name: Brick 1 x 2 x 5
* 
2454 Brick 1 x 2 x 5
Parts: Brick {Light Bluish Gray}
 Author: oukexergon View Messages Posted By oukexergon
 Posted: Mar 5, 2024 16:15
 Subject: Re: Seriously?
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In Catalog, enig writes:
  In Catalog, StarBrick writes:
  Well spoken, though I fear few are truly listening and understanding what you
are saying .

And those that do, have given up.....
This.

And then all of a sudden
'no one complains so we must be doing a real fine job'.

Yes, this is a problem. People are out of energy, after emotionally and thoroughly
trying to make their voices heard. I tried raising several issues but besides
being ignored and given non-arguments by 1001bricks and one other use, and desperately
and repeatedly so by the same individuals who responded to *everyone* with the
same words ("whatever, most people don't care"--with absolutely
no way of knowing this to be true and with every bit of evidence pointing in
the other direction), it otherwise seems the loud majority that came to this
forum to say something was completely ignored and not responded to. Granted Russell
responded to some and even to me eventually. In my case he didn't address
the concerns raised, it's still insane to me that BL merged 46212 into 2454,
it makes no sense to do so, no one asked for it, and it defies part usages, aesthetics,
etc. Similar concerns exist on many other parts considered for merging. Even
with minimal concerns on a part being merged, there is no need to merge them.
I already had to specify I wanted a sprue mark on a tan chair, and this is the
least important distinction being erased, from my calculation.

This is a huge mistake. It is literally erasing chunks of the site's market
usability, chunks of its historical value, and countless hours of effort by countless
site users on a whim. For nothing. BL will survive just fine this time, but if
another batch of merges ever comes, at least they will lose my business.
 Author: oukexergon View Messages Posted By oukexergon
 Posted: Feb 22, 2024 10:37
 Subject: Re: Glued tire and wheel question.
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Also, didn't the brown one only come in Pirate sets for cannons? So in that
color, they were never intended to be assembled with tires--sad to see those
particular ones victimized!
 Author: oukexergon View Messages Posted By oukexergon
 Posted: Feb 22, 2024 10:22
 Subject: Re: Glued tire and wheel question.
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In Catalog, WildBricks writes:
  I have an entire pile of these that won't come apart. I noticed that in the
catalog there is a note: Early versions are believed to have been glued or
melted together at the factory
.

I'm wondering if they are glued and if so, where would they have come from?


 
Part No: 4624c02  Name: Wheel 8mm D. x 6mm with Black Tire 15mm D. x 6mm Offset Tread Small (4624 / 3641)
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4624c02 (Inv) Wheel 8mm D. x 6mm with Black Tire 15mm D. x 6mm Offset Tread Small (4624 / 3641)
Parts: Wheel & Tire Assembly {White}

I'm no expert, but it seems like this is a common problem with these parts
when left assembled in attics and other places with variable temperatures sometimes
getting inadvisably hot for plastic toys. I've seen them all corroded and
melded together in bulk sales, even in bins at second-hand stores. In contrast,
kept in a cool, steady environment they fare well, like all my old ones did,
even assembled. So this note, to me, makes no sense, when it seems to be a common
problem of long-term storage for these when assembled in variable temperatures.
 Author: oukexergon View Messages Posted By oukexergon
 Posted: Feb 21, 2024 15:23
 Subject: Re: Are 32138 and 65098 really variants?
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Yes, these are different parts, with different functions.

In Catalog Identification, sporadic writes:
  Hey, forgive me if this the wrong place to post this. I'm new to the forums.

Recently when building a MOC, I put in an order that included a 32138 Technic,
Pin Double with Axle Hole with Squared Pin Holes. I got a 65098, which is listed
as a variant mold on Bricklink. However, according to Rebrickable (https://rebrickable.com/parts/32138/technic-pin-double-with-axle-hole/),
they are different. One has friction ridges, the other doesn't. I don't
have a 32138 to hand, so I can't verify it, but if so, these are very different
parts in terms of use cases. Should they be listed as variants? I thought variants
were supposed to be functionally identical with primarily cosmetic differences.
Or maybe I'm confused (likely).

Thoughts?
 Author: oukexergon View Messages Posted By oukexergon
 Posted: Feb 20, 2024 08:58
 Subject: Re: minecraft pickaxe 18789 lego logo
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In LEGO products, kittybrickz writes:
  Hey! I got a bulk and got some med azure minecraft pickaxe 18789 but not finding
the lego logo, were they made without it or is it bunk?

Thanks in advance, have an epic day!

---Katrina

I have found some without the Lego logo (unless it's microscopic)--Minecraft
bows seem to also miss the Lego logo (again, unless it's microscopic). I
got most mine 2nd hand, but there weren't knockoffs with the sets, so I'm
fairly certain they are original Lego (though can't be 100% sure).
 Author: oukexergon View Messages Posted By oukexergon
 Posted: Feb 14, 2024 11:10
 Subject: Re: Hair Female Pigtails hair question real?
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In Help, edk writes:
  In Help, Biglesdug writes:
  I recently ordered part
 
Part No: 3625  Name: Minifigure, Hair Female Pigtails
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3625 Minifigure, Hair Female Pigtails
Parts: Minifigure, Hair
and I believe it to be fake. It does not have LEGO or copyright symbol. If
I found it in a lot it would go in the fake bin but before I ask for a refund
from the seller I would like opinions.

I say real Lego

Agreed. Several older hair/headgear molds (and some relatively newer ones) do
not have the Lego stamp (and some extremely recent ones have almost microscopic
stamps that are really hard to find). I would say this one is probably real Lego.
Unfortunately, I have discarded some from large purchased lots under the assumption
they were fake before eventually deciding to check my own collection and realizing
some of those didn't have the Lego stamp either and I knew them to be real
Lego! The same thing is true of older arms and various other parts. It's
a struggle.
 Author: oukexergon View Messages Posted By oukexergon
 Posted: Feb 14, 2024 03:13
 Subject: Re: Variants Thread - February 12
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In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog, oukexergon writes:
  In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:

  
Inside supports

We will merge 46212 (Brick 1 x 2 x 5) as planned

Can you comment on why this and not the 1x2x1 without inside supports would be
merged?

Because the transparent 3004 and 3065 both exist, so this is necessary to keep
them apart.
 
Part No: 3004  Name: Brick 1 x 2
* 
3004 Brick 1 x 2
Parts: Brick {Trans-Clear}
 
Part No: 3065  Name: Brick 1 x 2 without Bottom Tube
* 
3065 Brick 1 x 2 without Bottom Tube
Parts: Brick {Trans-Clear}

The 2454 and 46212 do not both exist in transparent colors:
 
Part No: 2454  Name: Brick 1 x 2 x 5
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2454 Brick 1 x 2 x 5
Parts: Brick {Trans-Clear}
[p=46212,12]

As yet. I can see reasons why this could change.

  The only reason to keep them separate is to distinguish the early solid color
versions which had no side supports. But that is a minor consideration and practically
speaking there is no functional difference.

There are. I'm discussing a few.

  You would also be hard pressed to say that any of those early sets came ONLY
with the earliest version of the part. Both types are correct, and maybe there
were both types present in some copies.

Maybe? I have two of these sets, and they certainly both came with 46212. Deliberately
trying to erase these from the catalog seems counterproductive. That's from
both a technical collector angle, but also just because it's erasing valuable
information.

  As for people needing to place 1 x 1 round tiles inside the 46212, this only
happens with the transparent version.

Any tile, and various other part types. Perhaps parts yet to be designed. Heck
something might fit nice and tight into 2454 currently or something could be
designed for them and they could suddenly be needed in transparent colors. Who
am I to say what else a creative builder could come up with? Why pretend there
is no distinction here that could be useful? This is why someone may say the
decision is shortsighted.

So the argument first assumes TLG would never make transparent 2454. Of course
they could and would, given connectivity needs. If next year or in five years
you see a trans-black 2454, would it change the inventory need? The inside supports
mean a 1x2x5 can stand on a single stud tightly and centered, whereas 46212 cannot.
Likewise it means 46212 is lighter and easier to knock down from a single-stud
connection. It's also entirely flexible to that end. It's feasible that
it could be used in solid colors for that reason alone. They have many possible
different uses. If building angular walls or trying to create a rounded walled
space, or for whatever reason allowing for some hinging of the parts, one will
be superior to the other. So it's feasible TLG or other designers would desire
to swap them in colors.

But even if the assumption that 2454 will never be transparent stands correct,
the stud connectivity alone, coupled with the aesthetic of each (not just in
terms of color, but what they look like, for example, on the side 46212 could
make good exhausts or cannons, but 2454 would look wrong used this way) means
they are different. Supports in bricks have no functional difference, but the
supports in 1x2x5 changes their functionality in many ways. That TLG or other
designers hasn't tapped on these potentials fully doesn't mean the parts
should be merged. They are still different.

The most frustrating thing here is that you are systematically losing information
and undoing a perfectly aligned catalog with every other Lego-related resource
on parts TLG and others wo you led readily see as different. And I fail to see,
at least with this part, put aside everything else, what is to be gained. Even
giving the argument that 2454 will never be transparent, if I want a transparent
1x2x5 I'll have no trouble finding one, if I want to sell them, I'll
have zero trouble posting them. It's been done for decades now. You are "fixing"
what is working flawlessly.

Please reconsider.
 Author: oukexergon View Messages Posted By oukexergon
 Posted: Feb 13, 2024 07:53
 Subject: Re: Variants Thread - February 12
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In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:

  
Inside supports

We will merge 46212 (Brick 1 x 2 x 5) as planned

Can you please respond to the given rationales for why this should not happen?
These are very different parts (not variants) in connectivity, function even
within Lego instructions, and of course aesthetics where they have a specific
purpose in this case (usually used for transparency). Where else is this part
merged? Who would benefit from the loss of this unique part?

Can you comment on why this and not the 1x2x1 without inside supports would be
merged?
 Author: oukexergon View Messages Posted By oukexergon
 Posted: Feb 12, 2024 16:39
 Subject: Re: Variants Thread - January 31
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In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:

  Ah, and a very few collectors.

Incredibly, those are the only people this would directly affect by necessity
(of course the repercussions will eventually affect everyone). The rest you mentioned
cannot possibly tell you the information you claim to know. Even if you had all
those stats about who is buying what and how often, you would not know if they
would or would not prefer to keep the catalog as-is. That's the point, you
are claiming to know something you do not know just from your experience. Everyone
can speak from experience.

To further illustrate, I'm a collector of old sets, I do buy old set parts
all the time to complete those sets. Look for the specific variants on those,
and sometimes specifically note them in messages to ensure it's the exact
one I'm looking for. Of course, if you don't sell those variants to begin
with, we'll never run into each other--ever, no matter how many years
your store is up. Because your listing won't include the parts I'm looking
for. Your experience will be: I do not exist.
 Author: oukexergon View Messages Posted By oukexergon
 Posted: Feb 12, 2024 15:06
 Subject: Re: Variants Thread - January 31
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In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
  In Catalog, BrickieSixx writes:

  And... at no moment you could realize the majority isn't interested at
all
in Tiles Without Groove?

Or a Minifigure Head with this or that Smile, or this fictionnal character, but
not about Vented, Blocked, Opened?



And how would you know that, exactly? I can guarantee you that 100% of people
looking for specific historic variants do want the specific historic variants
to continue being separated on this site. You sell new parts, good for you, this
has no impact on you or your buyers. Nice to see you arguing with those it
does impact like a broken record. Of course, this will eventually, down the years,
impact your bottom line as well, not that you'll see it at this moment since
you want to just argue circularly about why this doesn't matter to "the
majority" even with zero evidence. You'll be affected because there won't
be a reason to shop at BL if BL gets rid of more and more historic parts, there
will eventually be no reason for BL at all.
 Author: oukexergon View Messages Posted By oukexergon
 Posted: Feb 12, 2024 14:30
 Subject: Re: Variant Merge - How do I sort this out
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In Catalog, dearlydeparted writes:
  I feel like it's just not worth the bother to merge or update all these parts
with "notes" of variants. That's quite ridiculous. I don't know
what the push is, but this is certainly pushing me to the point of - is it worth
my time?


It's evident corporate doesn't want these distinctions at all moving
forward. They expect most sellers to say, "screw it, I won't mark these
distinctions in the notes!" BL sellers and buyers alike lose out on the historical
specificity, options, price-point, and general utility of the site. The only
winner is TLG.

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