Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | infinibrix  | | Posted: | Apr 28, 2021 03:56 | | Subject: | Re: We have a new Inventories Administrator! | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
Congrats, keep up the good work and contributions!
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 24, 2021 06:51 | | Subject: | Re: Minifigure sw0737a | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, Thargor writes:
| | I just saw that Minifigure sw0737a Poe Dameron was added to the catalog. This
Minifigure is included in set 75149 and comes with helmet and hair piece.
In the past we often had Minifigures that had both helmet and hair piece but
they were only listed once in the catalog e.g. sw0416, sw0772, sw0407 ...
Why is Poe now listed twice as sw0737 with hair and as sw0737a with helmet?
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Maybe the new one comes with the 4+ X-wing
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It does, but why is it not a new number? It is a different figure as it has different
parts. There are other figures that are similar but different and appear in different
sets and have different numbers. Such as
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I totally agree with you
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1190568 (and whole thread)
but as I see admins have different opinion about that.
I also think it should be new number.
...but I give it up and I don't care any more 
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Oh thats a shame to hear.... having glanced over your previous post I think I
pretty much agree with your proposal as I've just posted similar in this
thread though you may think some of my examples go a step too far with just relying
on different print decal but that is as least how I truly see minifigs being
unique enough to warrant their own ID
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 24, 2021 06:38 | | Subject: | Re: Minifigure sw0737a | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, Thargor writes:
| | I just saw that Minifigure sw0737a Poe Dameron was added to the catalog. This
Minifigure is included in set 75149 and comes with helmet and hair piece.
In the past we often had Minifigures that had both helmet and hair piece but
they were only listed once in the catalog e.g. sw0416, sw0772, sw0407 ...
Why is Poe now listed twice as sw0737 with hair and as sw0737a with helmet?
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Maybe the new one comes with the 4+ X-wing
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It does, but why is it not a new number? It is a different figure as it has different
parts. There are other figures that are similar but different and appear in different
sets and have different numbers. Such as
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If anything those Yoda’s are actually more similar to each other than the Poe
and so if we’re adding the letter ‘a’ to the end for similar items then we should
probably start with renaming them as sw0471 and sw0471a if we insist on keeping
the one with the bracket in the catalog?
Likewise the same for minifigs like these (jwo23 and jwo23a for backpack)
I would even extend further by saying maybe minifigures should only warrant a
new/unique reference where the minifig specifically has unique print decal be
that on the head, torso ,legs etc… the point being that adding a backpack, changing
the colour legs or style of hair is essentially just accessorising that same
minifigure differently thereby these Han’s would become sw0612, sw0612a, sw0612b
And even these Zane’s although they may look very different they are still essentially
the same minifig with the same print decal on the head and torso and just accessorised
differently and so may benefit from njo106 and njo106a:-
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 16, 2021 10:24 | | Subject: | Re: Two Weeks?! | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, bje writes:
| | In Catalog, psusaxman2000 writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | In Catalog, BricksThatStick writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Catalog Newsletter which went out yesterday.
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Guess my copy is stuck in the postal system somewhere...
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Same! I thought it was just me only I don't see any news letter either?
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This was an email that came from blservice@ bricklink . com
Double check your spam folder as it looked to be a mass blast.
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Not a chance - there is no blocking on my mail servier for blservice or bricklink
- in fact all mails are coming through as normal although late, not even the
***SPAM*** thing in front of orders and additions. Maybe only went to the USA?
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Yes I think BL may need to check whats happening as my inbox is super organised
and any filters very specific to only true spam.
I use gmail which is very easy to search and I've searched for newsletter
and via bricklink email address but nothing anywhere?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 16, 2021 10:08 | | Subject: | Re: Two Weeks?! | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, BricksThatStick writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Catalog Newsletter which went out yesterday.
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Guess my copy is stuck in the postal system somewhere...
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Same! I thought it was just me only I don't see any news letter either?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 16, 2021 06:50 | | Subject: | Re: Two Weeks?! - personal solution | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | I can't help but feel like we're
soon gonna have the catagories we want to have and these large projects aren't
necessary anymore, but maybe I'm wrong...
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Well, that's absolutely the goal. This time around we created photographic
definitions for all the shape-based categories (brick, plate, tile, wedge, slope,
ring, ball, cone & dome, cylinder, etc.). Many of the movements will be done
for those parts, but some will remain undone (brick categories, slopes, and wedges).
Getting shape-based stuff sorted out was huge, so that's a lot of
progress. They're also probably the most impactful categories, so we're
getting them (mostly) out of the way first.
I know people want the large figure parts / Technic / Bionicle categories looked
at, so we'll have to get into those at some point. And theme-based categories
need to be looked at (Friends, in particular).
And another thing to keep in mind is that we want to have submenus for the Parts
category tree at some point. When that happens we'll probably create additional
categories to separate things further within the submenus (minifigure body parts,
for example, can be split up into multiple smaller categories once we can move
those into submenus).
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Thanks for the fast replies guys, now I understand a bit better what the attitude
to the catalog is. Seems category based sorting is not reliable now but there
might be some "light at the end of the tunnel" for my situation - I am going
to wait and see where where it goes, while my store is closed at the moment anyway.
Before I open up again at some point, I'll either align my entire store to
the new Bricklink categories (if they're "finished") or use a remark system
(if they're still fluid).
If I use remarks, I will write a tool. This tool will automatically assign custom
category names to all remark fields in the inventory, based on the part number.
It reads a text file that contains category/label names and a list of part numbers
that should belong to it. If anyone would be interested in such a tool, let me
know and I might start working on it a bit sooner 
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Whilst it can be helpful to use the remarks field for random parts where you
might choose to have them stored away and labelled in trays 001 to 500 or whichever
solution you choose don’t be afraid of using different filing methods for different
parts .
For instance where I always hold stock of a certain part I just store and file
them by design I.D
For instance I always hold stock of design I.D 3901 in various different colours
therefore I have a location for 3901 with all the available colours in the one
place that means I never need to update any remarks for those particular parts
However when picking I sometimes notice that the Bricklink catalog doesn’t always
put the most up-to-date design ID or at least the most common I.D in the main
prominent spot which would be handy
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2021 05:24 | | Subject: | Re: Option to search for unprinted parts | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | In Suggestions, The_RealRedHex writes:
| | Maybe an option to search for unprinted parts could be implemented. This would
include stickers, printed parts, and stickers over assemblies.
Regards,
Theo - The_RealRedHex
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Search:
-pattern
The word pattern is included in the name of nearly every decorated part.
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Whilst unofficial Stormchaser has drafted up that he does not want to see the
word pattern included for minifig parts and possibly extending that to other
parts in the long term?
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2506
"Excluded Words - The following words should not appear in figure titles: "figure"
and "pattern.""
Either way when I suggested trying to enable people to be able to search for
non decorated/patterned legs like this:-
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1256683
The change was made only to be reverted back because yourself and then other
people looked too deeply into how two-tone somehow had anything to do with dual
molded?
Two-Tone = A visual colour combination made up of two colours
Dual Molded = A manufacturing process
The point being that anything that can help narrow down peoples searches can
only be a good thing
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2021 04:19 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Minifig sw0100 | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, dcarmine writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part 3901 Dark Nougat Minifigure, Hair Male
* Add 1 Part 3901 Dark Orange Minifigure, Hair Male
Comments from Submitter:
I have an original figure, and I know what dark orange looks like.
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But do you know what Dark Nougat looks like?
This is the only hairpiece ever made in Dark Nougat (and is one of the only pieces
known to exist in Dark Nougat), and Dark Nougat is very similar to Dark Orange.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126975831@N07/14890173099/
And this set definitely came with that hairpiece in Dark Nougat. (The official
LEGO data for this set confirms this as it also says it came with Dark Nougat
hair.)
If your original figure came from a sealed set with *true* Dark Orange hair,
then another minifigure will need to be created instead of altering the inventory
of this one.
Cheers,
Randy
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also just to add that within that same set it actually comes with Kenobi with
hair described as Dark Orange and then the Anakin hair is officially described
differently as:-
Color Orange-brown
Description Dark Nougat
I'm not sure why Lego use two colour references for that same part but its
certainly intended to be different to Dark Orange thats for sure
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 12, 2021 15:42 | | Subject: | Re: Colour Abbreviations for Catalog Navigation? | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, randyf writes:
Okay thanks but back to Jennifers point it might work well if you already know
what minifigure you have in your hand but if you don't know the name of the
character your looking at it may have been a reliable means of searching for
minifgs using these kinds of search options but I get it people(as well as myself)
ar'nt keen with the awkward looking description titles so I won't push
it any further
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 12, 2021 13:54 | | Subject: | Re: Colour Abbreviations for Catalog Navigation? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Suggestions, popsicle writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | Just an idea I’m putting out there for future consideration because with colour
abbreviations it can give you useful options for catalog use/navigation!
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It's a strong idea that's getting some push back. How about...
For color descriptors within the title, just using the color itself
as a small box next to the part within the description, as in the Color Guide?
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And then people will have to hover over the patch to know the name of the colour
because the colours are undistinguishable unless they are side to side and named?
Not very practical, I fear.
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Yeah Popssicle its a terrible idea and almost as bad as the OPs suggestion 
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 12, 2021 13:39 | | Subject: | Re: Colour Abbreviations for Catalog Navigation? | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, DeLuca writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | The only abbreviations I have ever tried to use for colors are LBG and DBG and
then only when pressed for character space. Abbreviations are often difficult
to read and add to visual clutter. I am not sure why the entire minifig's
inventory would need to be listed in its name when that information is already
searchable? Sorry, I am very not onboard with this suggestion. I did a search
for 'spider-man' limited to minifigs and got 24 results. I can clearly
see all of them on one page of thumbnails and can quickly scan for the differences.
That's good enough for me!
Jen
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Well part of the reason for giving this idea some thought is because minifgs
will apparently need to have their own unique description and cannot rely on
using vague terms like Spider-man 1
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I do agree that this is a bad title, but this is an example of the more general
issues with many current figure titles, and of the need for improved standards
(which are currently being developed) - Something like “Spider-Man - Silver Web
and Eyes Pattern, Blue Arms and Legs” would be sufficient, and would not
lengthen and clog up names with unnecessary colour-abbreviations.
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unless those colour abreviations could be used to search but hidden from view
in descriptions because I agree they do look messy
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 12, 2021 13:36 | | Subject: | Re: Colour Abbreviations for Catalog Navigation? | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | The only abbreviations I have ever tried to use for colors are LBG and DBG and
then only when pressed for character space. Abbreviations are often difficult
to read and add to visual clutter. I am not sure why the entire minifig's
inventory would need to be listed in its name when that information is already
searchable? Sorry, I am very not onboard with this suggestion. I did a search
for 'spider-man' limited to minifigs and got 24 results. I can clearly
see all of them on one page of thumbnails and can quickly scan for the differences.
That's good enough for me!
Jen
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Well part of the reason for giving this idea some thought is because minifgs
will apparently need to have their own unique description and cannot rely on
using vague terms like Spider-man 1
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Just to add how are you getting just 24 Spider-mans on one page as when I search
Spider-man I get 139 results which includes everything from Aunt May to all Spider-mans
nemisis
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 12, 2021 13:17 | | Subject: | Re: Colour Abbreviations for Catalog Navigation? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | The only abbreviations I have ever tried to use for colors are LBG and DBG and
then only when pressed for character space. Abbreviations are often difficult
to read and add to visual clutter. I am not sure why the entire minifig's
inventory would need to be listed in its name when that information is already
searchable? Sorry, I am very not onboard with this suggestion. I did a search
for 'spider-man' limited to minifigs and got 24 results. I can clearly
see all of them on one page of thumbnails and can quickly scan for the differences.
That's good enough for me!
Jen
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Well part of the reason for giving this idea some thought is because minifgs
will apparently need to have their own unique description and cannot rely on
using vague terms like Spider-man 1
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 12, 2021 12:47 | | Subject: | Re: Colour Abbreviations for Catalog Navigation? | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | Just an idea I’m putting out there for future consideration because with colour
abbreviations it can give you useful options for catalog use/navigation!
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Using tags would bring the same searchability advantages without cluttering the
descriptions with incomprehensible jargon terms.
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So what is incomprehensible about ... ?
Bear Costume Guy - Minifigure only Entry - Torso-WHT (Heart and Rainbow), Headgear-CRL
(Mask Bear/Panda), Head-YEL, Left Arm-BLO, Right Arm-CRL, Left Hand-DAZ, Right
Hand-BLO, Hips-CRL, Left Leg-MAZ, Right Leg-BLO.
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You'd probably only bother to reference a complex minifig like this:-
Bear Custume Guy - Torso-WHT (Heart and Rainbow), Headgear-CRL (Mask Bear Panda),
Head-YEL (DS)
Besides most people will already find quite easily with key searches for Bear,
Coral, Rainbow
However with other minifigs where you have lots of Han Solos for instance you
could simply search 'Han Hair-LBG' and that alone will only bring up
these two minifigs:-
and thats where it really helps to find things
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In truth you'd only need to start including colour references to arms and
things like that if your dealing with complex variations of minifigs such as
spider-man otherwise colour references for the 4 core minifig components would
be sufficients i.e Headgear or Hair, Head, Torso, Legs
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 12, 2021 12:42 | | Subject: | Re: Colour Abbreviations for Catalog Navigation? | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | Just an idea I’m putting out there for future consideration because with colour
abbreviations it can give you useful options for catalog use/navigation!
[…]
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Using tags would bring the same searchability advantages without cluttering the
descriptions with incomprehensible jargon terms.
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So what is incomprehensible about ... ?
Bear Costume Guy - Minifigure only Entry - Torso-WHT (Heart and Rainbow), Headgear-CRL
(Mask Bear/Panda), Head-YEL, Left Arm-BLO, Right Arm-CRL, Left Hand-DAZ, Right
Hand-BLO, Hips-CRL, Left Leg-MAZ, Right Leg-BLO.
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You'd probably only bother to reference a complex minifig like this:-
Bear Custume Guy - Torso-WHT (Heart and Rainbow), Headgear-CRL (Mask Bear Panda),
Head-YEL (DS)
Besides most people will already find quite easily with key searches for Bear,
Coral, Rainbow
However with other minifigs where you have lots of Han Solos for instance you
could simply search 'Han Hair-LBG' and that alone will only bring up
these two minifigs:-
and thats where it really helps to find things
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 12, 2021 07:33 | | Subject: | Re: Colour Abbreviations for Catalog Navigation? | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | Just an idea I’m putting out there for future consideration because with colour
abbreviations it can give you useful options for catalog use/navigation!
[…]
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Using tags would bring the same searchability advantages without cluttering the
descriptions with incomprehensible jargon terms.
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Granted but I don't expect that will be coming anytime soon....
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 12, 2021 07:08 | | Subject: | Colour Abbreviations for Catalog Navigation? | | Viewed: | 205 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Open | | Vote: | [Yes|No] | |
| Just an idea I’m putting out there for future consideration because with colour
abbreviations it can give you useful options for catalog use/navigation!
For starters I glanced at all the different colours and it didn’t appear to be
too difficult to give each colour a suitable 3 Letter abbreviation though it
goes without saying that a few colours may be forced to have a 4 letter abbreviation
but they will likely be just a very few obscure colours such as Very Light Bluish
Grey (VLBG) or Trans Light Bright Green (TLBG) but even if it became problematic
some colours may not even benefit as much from the need to have an abbreviation
compared to the more widely and commonly used colours
Either way here are just a few quick abbreviation examples:-
Black – BLK
White – WHT
Reddish Brown – RBR
Dark Brown – DBR
Light Bluish Grey – LBG
Dark Bluish Grey – DBG
Dark Grey – DGR
Red – RED
Blue – BLU
Dark Blue – DBL
Green – GRN
Olive Green – OGN
Tan – TAN
Dark Tan – DTN
Orange – ORG
Dark Orange – DOR
Yellow – YEL
It’s also worth mentioning that the idea would be to have these abbreviations
on display wherever we see colour descriptions which is pretty much anywhere
in the catalog and so if we had abbreviations like this I don’t think it would
take long for people to memorize them and put them to good use so that instead
of searching for ‘Dark Tan hair’ they can just search ‘DTN hair’ or instead of
‘Light Bluish Gray Helmets’ they can just search ‘LBG Helmets’. The other benefit
is that where space is limited in descriptions a Torso could contain ‘RBR Belt
Buckle’ instead of ‘Reddish Brown Belt Buckle’
However once you have colour abbreviations in places their uses can be extended
in other ways too for instance if they are combined with a minifigure part to
create a unique combined colour/part reference such as Legs-DBR (Dark Brown Legs)
or Torso-GRN (Green Torso) these combos can be exclusively used to narrow down
search results for minifigures in ways where you barely need to worry about trying
to guess or work out what keywords have been used and in some cases you won’t
even need to know the name of the character!
For Example if I start with this Henry Minifigure description in its most basic
form it would look something like this:-
Henry - Torso-RBR, Hair-DTN, Head-LNO, Legs-OGN
Granted it’s not the most visually pleasing of minifig descriptions and right
now you’re probably thinking it looks a confusing mess but translated it basically
reads ‘Reddish Brown Torso, Dark Tan Hair, Light Nougat Head and Olive Green
Legs
Now even before I add keywords to that description or even if it already had
keywords and I wasn’t sure what keywords to try? If I had that minifig in my
hand and I didn’t know the name of the character I will at least still be reassured
that with a simple search for some or all of those main minifig part colours
it will either bring up what I’m looking for or narrow it down considerably.
For example if I search for say both ‘Hair-DTN Legs-OGN’ that Henry minifig will
be the only minifigure match that comes up because it’s the only minifigure in
the catalog that currently includes both Dark Tan hair and Olive Green Legs.
Now even if I search for both ‘Hair-DTN Head-LNO’ I’m sure I will still only
get a very small page of matches and that’s before I’ve even attempted to narrow
down with character names Like Luke or Han or the colour/description of the torsos/legs
etc etc...
Essentially if minifigure descriptions were laid out in a format something like
this:-
Minifig Character/Type (*) - Torso/Arms-COLOUR (*), Hair/Headgear-COLOUR(*),
Head-COLOUR (*), Legs/Hips-COLOUR (*), (*Other Keywords)
where the (*) represents where keywords can be added for each core minifigure
component (as/when necessary) it would then mean a revised and more detailed
example of the Henry Minifigure might look something like this even though the
description may not need to be quite as detailed for helping to find this particular
minifig:-
Henry - Torso-RBR, Arms-WHT (Brown Waistcoat, White Tunic), Hair-DTN (Swept Back
Ponytail), Head-LNO (DS, Open Mouth Smile/Worried), Legs-OGN
Its worth mentioning that the ‘DS’ after head represents Double Sided Head (SS
= Single Sided) which would allow you to narrow down even further with just a
couple of extra letters added within search criteria
However one thing to also notice is that you can still search for specific colours
such as the ‘White’ print details found on legs or torsos such as the white tunic
without needing to worry about it bringing up core components in white as they
will only come up if you search ‘Arms-WHT’, Legs-WHT, Torso-WHT, Head-WHT, Hair-WHT
whereas searching for white alone would mean the colour can be set aside for
prints allowing you to be more specific with your overall minifig search results...
Here are a few more examples of how similar minifigs might look:-
Han Solo - Torso-WHT (Shirt), Hair-RBR, Head-LNO (SS, Smirk), Legs-RBR
Han Solo - Torso-WHT (Shirt), Hair-RBR (Wavy), Head-LNO (DS, Closed Eyes), Legs-DBR
Han Solo (Senior) - Torso-DBR (Jacket), Hair-LBG, Head-LNO (DS, Angry), Legs-BLK
(Printed Gunbelt)
Han Solo (Hoth) - Torso-DBL (Jacket), Headgear-DBL (Parka Hood), Head-LNO (SS,
Smirk), Hips-DBL, Legs-TAN (Printed Gunbelt)
Knight (Crusader Lion) - Torso-Red, Arms-BLU, Headgear-DGR (Neck Protector Helmet),
Head-YEL (SS), Hips-BLK, Legs-BLU
I appreciate in might not be to everyone’s liking but it does for the most part
seem to work and I’m pretty sure I could even use it to tackle all those samey
spider-man minifigs without having to worry too much about relying on vague (Web
Pattern) keywords and focusing more on the definitive colours of Torsos, legs,
hips, arms and definitive styles such as printed/legs arms etc…
But again just some ideas for another day perhaps?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 8, 2021 09:30 | | Subject: | Re: Image recognition feature | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, starbeanie writes:
Thanks I knew it was somewhere under racing minfigs but it seems its not a 'speed
racer' minifig but rather a 'Racer'
I think it needs the hair print added to description
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 8, 2021 09:14 | | Subject: | Re: Image recognition feature | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, axaday writes:
| | In Suggestions, Grosoleil writes:
| | It would be nice to have an image recognition feature for parts, especially minifigure
heads, there are so many!
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What color is that hair? I guessed dark tan, but didn't find anything.
It's a primitive light nougat head. That should make it easy to find if
it is real, but I'd need to know that hair color.
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When I first saw it I straight away thought it belonged to a Speed Racer minifig
or maybe vey old Harry Potter?
These have similar design style with the hair speaking of which it should be
coming up with a search for 'Light nougat head hair' as the hair is quite
a defining feature for that particular head but it did'nt come up when I
searched
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 2, 2021 13:05 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two - UPDATE | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | Is "Figure" the best keyword?
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No idea. We use "Minifigure" 8,567 times and "Figure" 1,843 times. There's
no standardization of the terms.
I suppose we could change them all to "Figure/Minifigure" to catch both types
of searches. That's only 10,410 catalog changes.
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Since all the other minifigure parts are currently described as minifigure I
would do the same for the slopes too as they after all very much minifigure parts!
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 2, 2021 12:39 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two - UPDATE | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | In which case 'Slope, Minifigure' would be better?
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First you must consider how best to accomplish your goal. You want to tag all
the Slope 45 2 x 2 parts that are used as the bottom halves of figures with a
unique identifier to make them easier to locate.
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Yes but that is why I put all these questions to you in the first place as you
originally just sent me a link to go about submitting a request myself even though
its now clearer to me that you were'nt fully onboard with my approach? my
point being, your the catalog expert therefore why not just give me your own
input/thoughts if you feel it should be done differently otherwise I'm just
submitting a request thats is going to go full circle and end up rejected anyway
or was that the intention?
| | Is the word "Minifigure" the most appropriate term to use here? It is already
used for 8,567 items in the catalog. I doubt anyone would use that word when
searching for these particular slopes, but I suppose they might?
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Well they certainly won't use that word now because they already know Minifigure
is not included in any of the sloped leg descriptions however once they know
it is they will then be confident with using that term to search?
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The word "Legs" is used 5,679 times. Oddly, in combination ("Minifigure Legs")
we only find 42 uses. Regardless, it might be worth considering the best search
terms to use for your endeavor.
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There is a big difference though as to find Legs you only need to search for
'Legs' but because there are countless other slopes you cannot just rely
on the word 'slopes' meaning you have to rely on another key word combination
be that 'Slope Legs' or 'Slope Minifigure' or if we can guarantee
the words Dress, Robes and Skirt will all be used on every sloped legs then that
would perhaps be sufficient enough?
People only need a guarantee certain words are included in order to feel confident
about being able to rely on them in their search criteria and so I'm not
so fussy about the word used but I just thought minifigure defines them all as
they are all Minifigure slopes whereas they are not all Skirts, they are not
all robes and they are not all dresses hence this makes it feel like an unreliable
search term for people to depend on?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 2, 2021 10:02 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two - UPDATE | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
In which case 'Slope, Minifigure' would be better?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 2, 2021 09:59 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two - UPDATE | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | Does that mean I have to submit a separate request for each and every Sloped
Legs?
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Yes, it does mean that.
| | or can I just submit one part as an example of how they all need to be changed?
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Start with one request to show us what you have in mind. We'll contact you
if it can't be approved. If it is approved, you're cleared to request
updates to the rest of the items you'd like to change.
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Yes that was my issue as I don't mind going to the trouble of finding them
all and submitting the requests but I'd rather not spend a lot of time only
to find they all get rejected!
Therefore starting with this as an example:-
* | | 3678bpb027 Slope 65 2 x 2 x 2 with Bottom Tube with Minifigure Dress / Skirt / Robe, White Panel with Black and Gold Trim Pattern
Parts: Slope, Decorated |
My request would simply be to put the word 'Minifigure' in front of the
word Slope and that is how I will request it unless you feel the word 'Minifigure'
would be better placed further along in the description?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 2, 2021 09:45 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two - UPDATE | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | would it be possible to add the word 'Minifigure' within the description
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If you'd like to see titles of individual items changed, you may request
those with this form:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogReq.asp
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Does that mean I have to submit a separate request for each and every Sloped
Legs?
or can I just submit one part as an example of how they all need to be changed?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 2, 2021 07:48 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two - UPDATE | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | We have 915 items potentially moving this time (up from 540 items last October),
but we still didn't make it to these suggestions from the February, 2021
discussion:
randyf
Friends category
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What is the reason for not being able to get to this? It was brought up in very
fine detail in October last year and was brought up again this time. So between
when I first proposed everything and when it may eventually get implemented come
this October, that is one full year. I thought you were the one who wants to
solve issues instead of to keep putting them off? Or is that not the case anymore?
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Just speculating but I have a feeling it may have something to do with how these
changes might then affect how we treat other things like Mini doll Hair?
Those friends accessories certainly have uses for all figures and there already
seem to be crossovers with traditional minifigures using these accessories such
as the bow in the hair here:-
which means it also uses the Friends style of hair too and likewise its used
again here-
The question I therefore have is at what point is hair considered standard hair
or Mini doll hair?
This Dana minifig uses standard hair:-
or does it?
Is it therefore declared as a certain style of hair by how its first released
or by the fact that its rubbery or does it simply come down to the fact that
it comes with a hole in the top?
In which case what does that mean for other traditional hair types like this
rubbery one?:-
or this traditional one with a hole?:-
It may in the end be simpler to merge them all just to keep some clarity however
at the same time many of those friends hair seem out of place on most traditional
minifigs likewise those friends utensils seem a little bit brightly coloured
when it comes to considering them for use with traditional minifigs so I see
both sides and am a bit of the fence with this one?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 2, 2021 06:30 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two - UPDATE | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | decorated slopes used as legs - these should remain decorated slopes
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Okay but if minifig slopes are to remain with the rest of the decorated slopes
would it be possible to add the word 'Minifigure' within the description
so that people are able to bring them all up with just a search for 'Minifigure
Slope' so they can exclude all the irrelevant slopes?
Currently searching for Dress, Robe, Skirt is never a guaranteed way to find
them all as they are all tagged with different key words
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 1, 2021 15:41 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | I don't think can be a weapon handle.
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But my suggestions is for it to go under a new category called 'Bar Holders/Hilts'
which does'nt just mean weapon handles it means anything designed to hold
a bar which includes items like these:-
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 1, 2021 08:18 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
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I think I might have agreed with you with just leaving the Dooku/Inquisitor hilts
under weapons and moving the others as there is no question that those standard
hilts have many more uses than just for minifig lightsabers especially as they
now come in so many more different colours however the problem I have is that
I very much see the standard metalic silver hilts as weapons and I feel others
will expect to find them under weapons too therefore I don't think hiding
them away under bars would be an option.
The only way it would work for me is if all those bar holder parts were under
a new category called something like bar holders/Weapon hilts after all most
of these are also commonly used as weapon handles/components:-
* | | 92690 Bar 1L with Top Stud and 2 Side Studs (Connector Perpendicular)
Parts: Bar |
Also here's another one under chain?
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Additionaly when you Look at the Bars category:-
https://www.bricklink.com/myImg/654346.jpg
I think part of the problem is that there is no clear definition as to what should
be included under bars therefore I would propose the following....
Rename Bars category to 'Bar Attachments' or 'Bar Shafts' where
items must include a distinct shaft pole for inserting into other parts just
as these parts do:-
* | | 48729b Bar 1L with Clip Mechanical Claw - Cut Edges and Hole on Side
Parts: Bar |
* | | 58176 Bar with Light Bulb Cover (Bionicle Barraki Eye)
Parts: Bar |
Then I would suggest creating a new category calling it something like 'Bar
Holders/Hilts' for connector pieces and things like weapon handles:-
* | | 92690 Bar 1L with Top Stud and 2 Side Studs (Connector Perpendicular)
Parts: Bar |
This would then invalidate all those grills, frames and barricade parts that
are also found under bars but it has already been suggested that they should
be moved further up the thread here:-
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1255674
That proably then just leaves a few miscellaneous oddities like this:-
* | | 30359a Bar 1 x 8 with Brick 1 x 2 Curved Top End (Original, No Axle Holder)
Parts: Bar |
Which although it contains a bar holder at one end is too much of a varied part
to warrant being cataloged under bar holders. Speaking of which rather than trying
to find a home for every single part would it not be better to have a 'Miscellaneous'
parts category as that would be the first place I would look for something like
this? I understand it will end up becoming a bit of a dumping ground for anything
and everything but parts like this are always going to be hard to find anyway
no matter how you try to category them. Besides this category could also be a
kind of temporary location for newer oddity parts allowing for more time to carefully
think about the best place to put them plus as the items start to build up in
this category it may allow for similar items to become more apparent allowing
them to eventually be calaloged together elsewhere?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 1, 2021 04:08 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
* | | 92690 Bar 1L with Top Stud and 2 Side Studs (Connector Perpendicular)
Parts: Bar |
| | is a super specific mold that has not been found anywhere except Count Dooku's hands.
is so far always a lightsaber.
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You are right about these two, since they were designed to replicate specific
lightsabers (Count Dooku's and the Inquisitors', respectively) - The
only reason that I want them in the "Bar" category is because of the consistency-of-placement
issue, but I would accept them staying in the "Weapon" category until they are
reused for something else. 😕
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I think I might have agreed with you with just leaving the Dooku/Inquisitor hilts
under weapons and moving the others as there is no question that those standard
hilts have many more uses than just for minifig lightsabers especially as they
now come in so many more different colours however the problem I have is that
I very much see the standard metalic silver hilts as weapons and I feel others
will expect to find them under weapons too therefore I don't think hiding
them away under bars would be an option.
The only way it would work for me is if all those bar holder parts were under
a new category called something like bar holders/Weapon hilts after all most
of these are also commonly used as weapon handles/components:-
* | | 92690 Bar 1L with Top Stud and 2 Side Studs (Connector Perpendicular)
Parts: Bar |
Also here's another one under chain?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 27, 2021 19:36 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | In Catalog, Ber_i writes:
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Please move:
to "Ladder & Bridge".
Please move:
to "fence".
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I am going to vote against moving any of these bar parts. Just because something
can be used as a fence or a railing, doesn't mean it should end up there.
(4083 and 6187 are used more often on vehicles than fences in my opinion.) Moving
6020 and 30095 would separate them from other very similar parts like 62113 which
could also be used a fence or a ladder I guess.
Anyway, these parts are all comprised mostly of bars and should stay put.
Thanks!
Jen
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I disagree I find it quite bewildering to find these under bar? As I do for many
of the other items found under bar which also probably require a new home?
A bar to me is for the most part a long pole shaped object. Bars that are combined
to create more of a grill, frame or railing should be treated as such
For instance items like this:-
* | | 35366 Bar 2 1/4 x 5 1/4 Double Squares (BrickHeadz Glasses Square)
Parts: Bar |
I think some need to be classified as Grills/Frames and others as Railing/Barricade/Fences
or whatever category names suit best
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also move from bar to minifigure utencil
* | | 6190 Bar 1 x 3 with 2 Stud Receptacles (Radio Handle / Telephone Handset)
Parts: Bar |
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 27, 2021 19:26 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | In Catalog, Ber_i writes:
| |
Please move:
to "Ladder & Bridge".
Please move:
to "fence".
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I am going to vote against moving any of these bar parts. Just because something
can be used as a fence or a railing, doesn't mean it should end up there.
(4083 and 6187 are used more often on vehicles than fences in my opinion.) Moving
6020 and 30095 would separate them from other very similar parts like 62113 which
could also be used a fence or a ladder I guess.
Anyway, these parts are all comprised mostly of bars and should stay put.
Thanks!
Jen
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I disagree I find it quite bewildering to find these under bar? As I do for many
of the other items found under bar which also probably require a new home?
A bar to me is for the most part a long pole shaped object. Bars that are combined
to create more of a grill, frame or railing should be treated as such
For instance items like this:-
* | | 35366 Bar 2 1/4 x 5 1/4 Double Squares (BrickHeadz Glasses Square)
Parts: Bar |
I think some need to be classified as Grills/Frames and others as Railing/Barricade/Fences
or whatever category names suit best
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 27, 2021 13:28 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Okay, we're ready to hear what you want moved.
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Parts (64567), (66909), (61199), and (x156) from "Minifigure, Weapon" to "Bar".
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I understand where your coming from and maybe it might work for just the standard
hilts but those curved ones are very much for weapon use and since they ideally
need to be in the same location I'm torn between puting them under weapons
or bars though bars seems like the wrong description?
At the same time I do actually think these should also be located in the same
location as the hilts:-
* | | 92690 Bar 1L with Top Stud and 2 Side Studs (Connector Perpendicular)
Parts: Bar |
So perhaps it just requires a new category 'Bar Holders' or 'Bar
Connectors' or if the hilts go under bars I think some re-wording of the
category would be required such as 'Bars & Bar Holders'
I accept there are bricks that have holes to hold bars but they are still primarily
bricks whereas parts like these are primarily intended to hold bars:-
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 26, 2021 10:06 | | Subject: | Re: grey vs bluish grey (help!) | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
| In Colors, peregrinator writes:
| | I don't think that light gray is intermediate between light bluish gray and
dark bluish gray though. It's different but not *that* different (and it's
not always easy to tell the difference between them). I don't know that there
is a color that is really in between the two, aside from a few parts that might
be described as "medium gray" or "medium bluish gray".
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Yeah if you look at the current two bluish grey colours they are so significantly
far apart from each other that I am surprised Lego have'nt released a shade
between the two though I expect that will one day come as shades of grey are
extremely popular for both space and castle as well as many other builds
Strangely they seem to have poked around with too many very light greys for some
reason when you consider we've had Light Grey, Light Bluish Grey and Very
Light Bluish Grey
But in answer to the OP I think sellers on sites like ebay assume most buyers
ar'nt fully aware of Lego colour names let alone Bricklinks and so I for
one just call them Light and Dark grey on ebay as this is the best colour representation.
If I start calling them Bluish Grey I think most people would think I'm refering
to a colour closer to Sand Blue than that of a shade of grey
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2021 17:57 | | Subject: | Re: White or LBG....can you see it? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
| In Colors, peregrinator writes:
| | In Colors, infinibrix writes:
| | I have sometimes done the same thing but for me its been where Black looked more
DBG
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My current inventory bugaboo is black vs dark blue, but I've mostly "solved"
it by storing them in separate drawers.
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I know that feeling too. If you hav'nt got good natural daylight they can
all look black
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2021 17:26 | | Subject: | Re: White or LBG....can you see it? | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
| In Colors, axaday writes:
| | In Colors, dcarmine writes:
| | This has been bugging me for a while. Many years ago the color of the rendering
images was changed. Ever since, I have had trouble telling the difference between
some color images. I know others complained about it also. Because of this,
I make mistakes when pulling the right color parts.
I have no trouble telling the difference between any colors of real bricks or
any of the photo images. It is only the part renderings. Maybe if enough people
can't tell either, we can get it changed to something that is easier to see.
So, who can tell the difference between these two images? One is white and one
is LBG. They are screen shots of rendered parts without any editing. What say
you?
Donna
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The way my inventory is stored makes it unlikely that I would pull the wrong
piece, but I do frequently waste my time looking for the wrong color because
of the LBG/white renders.
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I have sometimes done the same thing but for me its been where Black looked more
DBG
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 19:06 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
| | In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | I am not trying to stir up bad feelings or cause trouble, but the reality
is that if we change our names to suit some users, we are causing problems for
others. It's like BrickLink's XP wanted to dumb down our catalog structure
so that newbies have less trouble. What they ended up with was a mess! There's
a balance and I think much of what we have built here is good for most of us
and occasionally confusing for new people.
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I think the OP should also consider the irony in Jennifer not thinking this is
a good idea, having been involved in the last change AND having th store name
“OLD GREY BRICKS”.
Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
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Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.
Jen
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How about we rename Light Bluish Gray to Light Grey, and retain the "A" for the
older color:
Light Gray (1970s through 2003)
Light Grey (2004 though the present)
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Can we not include the date it was retired for more clarity?
Light bluish Grey = Light Grey
Light Grey = Light Grey 2003
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 11:30 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | Well as someone who buys and sells accross multiple platforms I can tell you
it creates immense confusion not just for me but no doubt my customers also.
To start with should I label my own stocks/inventory as per Legos Colour Names
(Medium Stone Grey) or Bricklinks (Light Bluish Grey) and then how should
I list them for sale on other sites like ebay? should I just play it safe and
call it (Light Grey) and hope that an inexpereinced parent buying for kids can
make sense of it all or should I be concerned that an expereinced buyer is going
to quiz me on the fact that I've sold them Light Bluish grey instead of the
described Light Grey? Either way it seems I already have three different reference
names in use for the same colour depending on where I'm buying or where I'm
selling, who I'm picking for or how I'm labelling my inverntory!? Not
confusing enough?
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I think this paragraph helps us understand more of why you are requesting this
colour name change. I assume you want more uniformity in colour names that will
spread to other platforms that you sell lego on like eBay. Frankly, I don't
think that's a valid reason to be pushing this change on BL. BL colour designations
were designed for reselling, not LEGO brand continuity. If you are using eBay,
then you are selling to the wild west since they are obviously not lego specific.
People will buy grey megabloks as much as grey lego on eBay, so why should that
concern BL users or the way BL labels colours?
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Because I have Bricklink users that shop with me on all three platforms be that
ebay, BL or BO and is that so surprising? Either way it does'nt surprise
me that a minor point I make gets inflated on the forum as this huge Single reason
I'm seeking to have sensible colour names. If you read my other posts in
this thread then you may start to understand my reasoning more clearly?
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I don't see how it is in BrickLink's best interest to make it easier
to sell on other websites. We want both buyers and sellers to come to OUR website
with their business.
The color names we have are there because they describe the color for what it
is. The new grays definitely have a bluish tint, and the new brown has a lot
of red in it. There is something written about the history here:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2500
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Russell it would be naive to assume sellers here don't sell on other platforms?
Remember sellers that sell elsewhere probably also buy stocks here besides which
if I predominiently already make most of my sales elsewhere you could use that
same train of thought to make it easier for me or atleast encourage me to sell
more here on Bricklink?
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also with regards to the colour definitions at what point do you have to go back
to using the basic colour names such as Ligth grey and Dark Grey again? because
if Lego do indeed keep releasing new shades for all colours there is only so
many times you can keep using terms like reddish or bluish to describe what people
see as a simple light or dark shades of greys or browns and there will come a
point when colours need to be defined in their simple forms again! I'm only
pointing out the inevitable where it will become increasingly difficult to define
colours using meaningful descriptions when all the good sensible colour names
have been used already to accomodate discontinued colours?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 11:07 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | Well as someone who buys and sells accross multiple platforms I can tell you
it creates immense confusion not just for me but no doubt my customers also.
To start with should I label my own stocks/inventory as per Legos Colour Names
(Medium Stone Grey) or Bricklinks (Light Bluish Grey) and then how should
I list them for sale on other sites like ebay? should I just play it safe and
call it (Light Grey) and hope that an inexpereinced parent buying for kids can
make sense of it all or should I be concerned that an expereinced buyer is going
to quiz me on the fact that I've sold them Light Bluish grey instead of the
described Light Grey? Either way it seems I already have three different reference
names in use for the same colour depending on where I'm buying or where I'm
selling, who I'm picking for or how I'm labelling my inverntory!? Not
confusing enough?
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I think this paragraph helps us understand more of why you are requesting this
colour name change. I assume you want more uniformity in colour names that will
spread to other platforms that you sell lego on like eBay. Frankly, I don't
think that's a valid reason to be pushing this change on BL. BL colour designations
were designed for reselling, not LEGO brand continuity. If you are using eBay,
then you are selling to the wild west since they are obviously not lego specific.
People will buy grey megabloks as much as grey lego on eBay, so why should that
concern BL users or the way BL labels colours?
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Because I have Bricklink users that shop with me on all three platforms be that
ebay, BL or BO and is that so surprising? Either way it does'nt surprise
me that a minor point I make gets inflated on the forum as this huge Single reason
I'm seeking to have sensible colour names. If you read my other posts in
this thread then you may start to understand my reasoning more clearly?
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I don't see how it is in BrickLink's best interest to make it easier
to sell on other websites. We want both buyers and sellers to come to OUR website
with their business.
The color names we have are there because they describe the color for what it
is. The new grays definitely have a bluish tint, and the new brown has a lot
of red in it. There is something written about the history here:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2500
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Russell it would be naive to assume sellers here don't sell on other platforms?
Remember sellers that sell elsewhere probably also buy stocks here besides which
if I predominiently already make most of my sales elsewhere you could use that
same train of thought to make it easier for me or atleast encourage me to sell
more here on Bricklink?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 10:50 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | Well as someone who buys and sells accross multiple platforms I can tell you
it creates immense confusion not just for me but no doubt my customers also.
To start with should I label my own stocks/inventory as per Legos Colour Names
(Medium Stone Grey) or Bricklinks (Light Bluish Grey) and then how should
I list them for sale on other sites like ebay? should I just play it safe and
call it (Light Grey) and hope that an inexpereinced parent buying for kids can
make sense of it all or should I be concerned that an expereinced buyer is going
to quiz me on the fact that I've sold them Light Bluish grey instead of the
described Light Grey? Either way it seems I already have three different reference
names in use for the same colour depending on where I'm buying or where I'm
selling, who I'm picking for or how I'm labelling my inverntory!? Not
confusing enough?
|
I think this paragraph helps us understand more of why you are requesting this
colour name change. I assume you want more uniformity in colour names that will
spread to other platforms that you sell lego on like eBay. Frankly, I don't
think that's a valid reason to be pushing this change on BL. BL colour designations
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| | | | were designed for reselling, not LEGO brand continuity. If you are using eBay,
then you are selling to the wild west since they are obviously not lego specific.
People will buy grey megabloks as much as grey lego on eBay, so why should that
concern BL users or the way BL labels colours?
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Because I have Bricklink users that shop with me on all three platforms be that
ebay, BL or BO and is that so surprising? Either way it does'nt surprise
me that a minor point I make gets inflated on the forum as this huge Single reason
I'm seeking to have sensible colour names. If you read my other posts in
this thread then you may start to understand my reasoning more clearly?
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Just to add you cant start here:-
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1253376
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 10:42 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | Well as someone who buys and sells accross multiple platforms I can tell you
it creates immense confusion not just for me but no doubt my customers also.
To start with should I label my own stocks/inventory as per Legos Colour Names
(Medium Stone Grey) or Bricklinks (Light Bluish Grey) and then how should
I list them for sale on other sites like ebay? should I just play it safe and
call it (Light Grey) and hope that an inexpereinced parent buying for kids can
make sense of it all or should I be concerned that an expereinced buyer is going
to quiz me on the fact that I've sold them Light Bluish grey instead of the
described Light Grey? Either way it seems I already have three different reference
names in use for the same colour depending on where I'm buying or where I'm
selling, who I'm picking for or how I'm labelling my inverntory!? Not
confusing enough?
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I think this paragraph helps us understand more of why you are requesting this
colour name change. I assume you want more uniformity in colour names that will
spread to other platforms that you sell lego on like eBay. Frankly, I don't
think that's a valid reason to be pushing this change on BL. BL colour designations
were designed for reselling, not LEGO brand continuity. If you are using eBay,
then you are selling to the wild west since they are obviously not lego specific.
People will buy grey megabloks as much as grey lego on eBay, so why should that
concern BL users or the way BL labels colours?
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Because I have Bricklink users that shop with me on all three platforms be that
ebay, BL or BO and is that so surprising? Either way it does'nt surprise
me that a minor point I make gets inflated on the forum as this huge Single reason
I'm seeking to have sensible colour names. If you read my other posts in
this thread then you may start to understand my reasoning more clearly?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 10:06 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, tec writes:
| | In conclusion I was not thinking enough, i'm sorry I haven't advanced
any good contributions
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Don't worry neither have I with my original post and subsequent responses
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 09:20 | | Subject: | Re: Misprint / Missed Print | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, CPgolfaddict writes:
| | It seems clear the one on the left simply skipped part of the printing process
and should not be a new decorated cone.
Although I found multiples with the same error....
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Interestingly I think I have a similar style misprint but for a different cockpit:-
Unless someone can point me the direction as to what I actually have?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 08:03 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, StormChaser writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | Either way what is it about ‘old’ in the colour names that Bricklink doesn’t
like?
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Old is an undefined word, as is new. Old as relative to what? We've run
into problems in the past using old/new as descriptors and are definitely moving
away from using those two words. They are ultimately meaningless.
For example, if TLG deliberately changes the colors of grays again, we're
stuck renaming everything again. And to what? Old LBG, New LBG, and Even Newer
LBG?
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You could also say ‘Very Light’ as relative to what? or ‘medium’ as relative
to what?
The term ‘Old’ would be relative to how the catalog is now/today keeping in mind
that I feel it is highly unlikely that Lego will intentionally replace what has
now become their core staple shades of colour for both those light and dark greys?
On the same token if Lego release a new shade of Grey that is lighter than Light
Bluish Grey but darker than Very Light Bluish Grey you’re still in the same predicament
of what to call it? and having to change Light Bluish Grey to Medium Bluish Grey
in order to make way for the new shade of colour?
I fear you are attempting to future proof something that can’t be future proofed?
That said there is one way to future proof it but I fear people will no doubt
dislike the idea:-
But let’s say in relation to the colour grey there are only 4 or maybe 5 shades
of grey that are ‘Current’ and in production by Lego at any one time and let’s
say they are given these simple clear definitions within the catalog:-
Pale Grey
Light Grey
Grey
Medium Grey
Dark Grey
Each current shade will keep and hold that position until the time (if it ever
comes?) it becomes discontinued or replaced whereupon the new shade will take
up its positon using the same colour name. The discontinued grey would remain
within the catalog using the same name it once had but with the added extension
of the year it was thought to be discontinued?
So along with the above greys the catalog would also contain shades of grey renamed
in the following way:-
Light Grey 1984
Light Grey 2007
Dark Grey 1996
But heres the situation....
If you hate the idea then you probably needn’t worry too much as I don’t foresee
Lego changing the shade of its core colours very often if ever at all and so
very few colours will need to be marked with a discontinued date!
And if I’m wrong your still faced with trying to fit in all these new future
shades of colour which will involve a bigger headache when you’re restricted
by the catalog and having to make up new names on the spot like ‘Light Medium
Bluish Grey’ or worse! just to accommodate all those similar shades of grey that
have long since been discontinued and have already taken all the good sensible
colour names?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 06:21 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, GreatBuy writes:
| |
LEGO colours are not nearly as varied as paint colours. The point I was trying
to make was that BL named its colours to cater to the secondary market, not to
be tied down to exactly waht LEGO designates them to be. Would it be easier for
them to be the same? Yes, but I don't think everything here has to line up
with what LEGO does because LEGO may not be doing something in the best way for
all situations. Our ability to designate things independent of LEGO is important
to withhold.
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But we're not independant of Lego anymore? Which goes back to the same argument
of being consistent with Lego names and using their references though I don't
think I have the energy to go over that same debate in this thread.
| |
A colour name shouldn't be tied to its purpose, hence why flesh was changed.
It wasn't changed because people were confusing colors, and it was not a
painless change. It has no relevance here.
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So I craft company that sells a paint called Daffodil Yellow should only be used
to paint flowers? I used to paint Lead figures as a kid and there were all kinds
of paints with names from Orc to human flesh. Do you think people only used those
colours for painting those types of flesh?
I accept differing opinions from people but if your going to base your argument
entirely on logic you have to expect people to counter the reasoning behind that
so called logic?
| | To offer my opinion, the change you propose is likely not to happen yet. There
just isn't a good enough reason that I can get behind and agree with, and
I imagine a lot of users feel the same way. While my store is relatively new
compared to others, I sell an equal number of LG and LBG pieces and have never
received a complaint from a confused customer. If no one in 500+ orders complained,
I feel like this is being described as more of a problem than it is. I'm
not doubting that confusion never happens, only my experience is that it doesn't.
Like I said, the resources are out there for those who need the clarification.
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Well as someone who buys and sells accross multiple platforms I can tell you
it creates immense confusion not just for me but no doubt my customers also.
To start with should I label my own stocks/inventory as per Legos Colour Names
(Medium Stone Grey) or Bricklinks (Light Bluish Grey) and then how should
I list them for sale on other sites like ebay? should I just play it safe and
call it (Light Grey) and hope that an inexpereinced parent buying for kids can
make sense of it all or should I be concerned that an expereinced buyer is going
to quiz me on the fact that I've sold them Light Bluish grey instead of the
described Light Grey? Either way it seems I already have three different reference
names in use for the same colour depending on where I'm buying or where I'm
selling, who I'm picking for or how I'm labelling my inverntory!? Not
confusing enough?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 20:58 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, GreatBuy writes:
| | Someone made a really good point above, LEGO colours are not necessarily named
entirely for ease of identification, they're named for manufacturing without
consideration for the identification by the consumer.
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I disagree with that, people will always want a specific matching colour for
a lego build etc... and the Lego Group certainly expect customers to use those
colour name references to aid finding what they need? Have you shopped for paint
before:-
https://www.dulux.co.uk/en/colour-details#tabId=item0
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I think you're overthinking this, especially the change of flesh to nougat.
When Flesh was first introduced, it was used exclusively for minifigs. Overtime
parts have been unlocked in light nougat, so the name was changed because it
made sense to change it.
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So just because the colour flesh ends up being used on other items that are non
minifig related it means the colour flesh can no longer be used to describe this
colour any longer? I have no issue with Flesh now being called Nougat but I don't
agree that this makes it a particularly more rationale and valid reason for change
at least not for the reasons you've mentioned?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 20:35 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
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You say it like there is a lot of work involved but I don't beleive this
to be the case as I've witenssed Flesh being switched to Nougat in the space
of a few moments of it being announced in the forum
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Yeah, all the time spent planning the change, then a few moments as you say,
and then hours of volunteer work making about 2000 necessary corrections in the
catalog. This stuff doesn't happen like Thanos snapping his fingers.
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Was'nt it yourself that initially requested the change from Flesh to Nougat
though yet your saying to leave the colours alone?
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My 2 cents: leave the colors alone. Our color names are not without flaws but
are better than LEGO's and if I need to cross-reference them, I can google
a color chart in no time at all. Why is this so complicated??
Jen
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It won't be complicated for those like yourself that are familiar with BL
and all the reference sites but I want every newbie customers to have zero doubt
about what they are purchasing from my store unless that is too much to ask?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 20:18 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, randyf writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
Voted no.
The grays are a difficult area because of the history behind them. We can't
just rename one set of grays without renaming the others. The easiest way to
screw everyone up is to start calling the newer grays the same names that were
just used for the older grays. It would be a huge mess.
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Not if as others have mentioned the old greys are renamed first and the newer
greys are changed however much later even if thats a whole year or so later!
| | However, there is a need to be able to use the official LEGO color names on the
site.
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If that is the intended plan of action then that would be the ideal outcome that
would supercede all the concerns I have about Bricklink colour names. If it ever
happens?
| | The way to solve this problem is to add a column to the BrickLink color table
in the database that would store the official LEGO color name alongside the BrickLink
color name. The site would then use the BrickLink color names in the catalog,
but the LEGO color names could be searched for and cross-referenced to the BrickLink
color names when necessary.
This would require the site to develop the solution and implement it, but it
should be the long-term goal of the site.
Cheers,
Randy
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 20:02 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, StormChaser writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | Either way what is it about ‘old’ in the colour names that Bricklink doesn’t
like?
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Old is an undefined word, as is new. Old as relative to what? We've run
into problems in the past using old/new as descriptors and are definitely moving
away from using those two words. They are ultimately meaningless.
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Okay and that is fine and I accept and appreciate your reasoning with regards
to why you don't like the 'old' or 'classic' tag but I will
repeat this part of that same post:-
"That aside the main focus of my attention was about giving the Bluish greys
a
more appropriate name as nobody would initially expect these to be catalogued
under bluish grey? And since they are now Legos main staple grey colours and
will probably remain so for long into the foreseeable future it stands to reason
that we should attempt to given them a more appropriate and simple description
of Light/Dark grey Obviously doing this would cause issues with the older existing
greys in the catalog hence the reason I felt the need to try and address this
issue with the 'old' tag but to be honest I wouldn’t really care what
we called them be that Yellowed Grey, Dull grey, Storm cloud Grey, because they
are not so widely/commonly used anymore in comparison to the newer established
greys"
| | For example, if TLG deliberately changes the colors of grays again, we're
stuck renaming everything again. And to what? Old LBG, New LBG, and Even Newer
LBG?
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Can you really honestly see that happening though I think its fair to say that
Lego have settled on those two light and dark grey colours now and are not likely
to set out to intentionally replace them besides any differences are likely to
be purely unintentional be that change of material like we have recently seen
with some of the trans colours or accidental like what we see with yellow
and pearl gold neither of which are cataloged separately by BL. Yes they may
well release future greys but if anything they are highly likely to be significantly
different shade to the current Light and Dark Bluish greys we have today and
if anything it will more than likely be a shade of grey that would sit smack
beween the two current bluish greys as a kind of medium grey and yes that may
be speculation on my part but you are also speculating something that may not
happen and we can only make the catalog as good as we can make it today and worry
about how to deal with future colours if and when it happens?
Either way I hope you don't mind me saying but for someone who is dead set
against the idea of using the official Lego colour names because they are too
far away from what most of us would use to describe those colours is'nt Dark
bluish grey just as bad as Bright Yellowish Green? (AKA Lime) at least the latter
is using an official Lego reference?
If we can't reference this colour in the best/most descriptive way to match
what the actual colour is i.e Dark Grey we'd be better of just calling it
what Lego call it (Dark Sone Grey)?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 18:02 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, psusaxman2000 writes:
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To your point, I do still consider myself a newbie. While I joined almost a
year ago, I'm still finding my way around here and getting familiar. That
being said, no matter if you set them to new, old, light, bright or bluish, there
is a learning curve for everyone. If you are getting into the hobby or shopping
for parts or just trying to off load your life's collection, any hobby will
have it's gotcha points. While these two colors may be the ones in question
now, the point of what to call them still would require significant work on both
maintenance and seller to adjust. Is there really that much of a need or more
of a convenience?
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To your point, why make that learning curve harder than it needs to be? A few
weeks of inconvenience are well worth the many years of convenience to be gained
besides whilst you yourself may very well take that extra time and care into
researching any colours you intend to buy or sell the same will not be for everyone
and when oversights and mistakes occur they are an inconvenince to all parties
involved wherever your the seller who just wants to sell the correct items without
having to be involved with returns/refunds or the buyer who just wants to receive
what they expected to receive?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 17:48 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
| | To the OP, I also don't think light bluish gray is the biggest stumbling
block for new users. Yes, it may be a small learning curve, but certainly not
the first area I would work on to make the site more user friendly. And... it
doesn't bother me as a seller anymore.
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You say it like there is a lot of work involved but I don't beleive this
to be the case as I've witenssed Flesh being switched to Nougat in the space
of a few moments of it being announced in the forum
I also appreciate it may not bother you one way or the other which is also fair
enough, yet the thing that really confuses me is that many people(not including
yourself) always get up in arms about not wanting to use official colours names
because they make no sense and don't match the colour descriptons correctly
and yet bluish grey is apparently a good descriptive match for two of the most
commonly used colours?
If you asked a newbie to separate all the Light Bluish Grey parts out of a haul
of mixed Lego I expect you'd come back to find a nice pile of Sand Blue bricks
waiting for you
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 17:26 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, TBS writes:
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Here is SOME more silly Lego-Colour-Names:
Sand Yellow/Dark Tan
Warm Gold/Pearl Gold
Bright Bluish Green/Dark Turquoise
Earth Blue/Dark Blue
Flame Yellowish Orange/Bright Light Orange
Bright Orange/Orange
Brick Yellow/Tan
When it comes to User-friendly, one should skip this idea already.
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To understand user friendly you have to think like a newbie besides whilst you
may hate all those colour names at least they are official colour names
Dark Bluish Grey is certainly no better and yet its not even an official Lego
term?
I would'nt mind but I'm pretty much only talking about adjusting the
names of the greys not the entire colour pallete!
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 17:07 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, calebfishn writes:
| | Please do not start changing the existing colour names.
I am not interested in whatever Lego officially calls colours. I just need to
know what Bricklink calls them, so that I can list parts for sale, and purchase
parts on Bricklink. I don't think I am unique in this matter.
As a person living with a form of colour blindness, let me tell you that all
the fancy names that colorists come up with do not help me at all. I just want
to know, "Is that thing basically blue? Or is it red?" Spare me the "August
Sunset", "Sea Foam" and "Dusty Rose" type of labels. What the heck is "azure"
anyway?
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Are you sure your not living with regular blindness only if you read my original
post you'd realise that I'm talking about simplifying colour names not
fancying them up?
| | The only reason to pursue congruence with Lego's system is to make things
simpler. I don't see much evidence that will be the result of tinkering around
with colour names we've all memorized over the past decade or so.
Please. Do Not do it. Just don't.
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 16:58 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?
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We have considered harmonization of colors in the past, and we continue to do
so. But one thing I will mention is that the word "OLD" is likely not a term
we will include in Item Names or Color Names.
On BrickLink, the color and item name are often concatenated, meaning they are
stuck together for use as a single term. The official color numbers of Modulex
were removed from the color name for this very reason, to keep people from getting
confused.
And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea. When we speak to internal folks, they tend to use
the numbers instead of the names, so there is value in those numbers.
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I appreciate your response Russell.... As far as the number references go I’m
not familiar with them enough to comment myself but I guess having extra references
that accompany colour names can only be a good thing if it leads to a further
means of colour identification
That said I’m probably more likely to rely on the actual colour name descriptions
but who knows if I start to memorize the number references I may start to rely
on them on a more ongoing basis
Either way what is it about ‘old’ in the colour names that Bricklink doesn’t
like?
That aside the main focus of my attention was about giving the Bluish greys a
more appropriate name as nobody would initially expect these to be catalogued
under bluish grey? And since they are now Legos main staple grey colours and
will probably remain so for long into the foreseeable future it stands to reason
that we should attempt to given them a more appropriate and simple description
of Light/Dark grey Obviously doing this would cause issues with the older existing
greys in the catalog hence the reason I felt the need to try and address this
issue with the 'ol'd tag but to be honest I wouldn’t really care what
we called them be that Yellowed Grey, Dull grey, Storm cloud Grey, because they
are not so widely/commonly used anymore in comparison to the newer established
greys
Also if we managed to change all the flesh colours to nougat it’s not as if it
couldn’t be done if you wanted it to happen?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 13:30 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, TBS writes:
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Don´t change, Bluish, can even be seen in the difference.
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Yes it may look bluish in comparison to the older greys but if you present those
so called 'bluish greys' to anyone not familiar with Lego colours and
they will likey just describe them as Light Grey and Dark Grey, No? I think this
is about trying to make the site as user friendly as possible for ALL newcomers
rather than just keeping things the way they are just because the regulars already
understand these differences?
| | LEGO´s Colour names are the ones who are Bullshit.
How does Whatever "Stone" Shades look alike? Which stones they refer to? It is
as stupid as their "Earth Blue or Earth Green". Absolutely unintuitive. The same
that the BL-colour Green is named bright green from LEGO. How is standard Green,
Bright-Green?
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Standard Green is actually 'Dark Green' but either way this topic is
not actually about revertng over to Lego colours (already tried that) this is
about using descriptions that better represent the core main colours i.e Dark
Grey makes more sense to me than Dark Bluish Grey?
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No, leave it as is... How is very shorter then pale? There is even Light and
Bright and what not. Very is a good one, and just applies to 2 or 3 Colours.
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You don't think 'Pale Grey' is shorter than 'Very Light Bluish
Grey'?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 12:49 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, psusaxman2000 writes:
| | So if we were to rename the existing LG and LBG (in the future), how do you work
the compliment colors for these that were create for a short time of Very Light
Gray and Very Light Bluish Gray? If we are to stay constant, do we then rename
these as well to Very "Classic or Old" Gray?
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'Very Light Grey' becomes 'Old Very Light Grey'
'Very Light Bluish Grey' becomes 'Very Light Grey'
But as per my original post I also made the suggestion to replace 'Very Light'
with 'Pale'
so they would be 'Old Pale Grey' and 'Pale Grey'
Colour shades would go from Light to Dark as:-
Pale
Light
Medium (or just the simple colour)
Dark
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 12:39 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, misbi writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | It will be known to many that I’ve always favoured the idea of using official
Lego colour names not because I like them better or think they describe the
colours better (Many are very odd choices!) but simply because it creates less
uncertainty about what I’m selling and what the customer thinks they are buying
however I’ve made that argument already and now’s probably the time to accept
that Bricklink colour names are unlikely to match that of the Lego group!
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At the very least, it would be helpful if BL and TLG names didn't directly
contradict each other. Specifically: Dark Green
Let's start with that one!
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Yes that one is a particular bad example though in fairness to BL I think Lego
got that one terribly wrong. To me it is the equivalent of what Lego call 'Bright
Red' and 'Bright Blue' and in truth Lego should have also called
this 'Bright Green' plus if it was'nt for the fact that these became
the main staple core colours maybe bricklink would have kept them with the Bright
tag after all they are much brighter than most of the other shades of blues green
and reds that we have since appeared!
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 10:42 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | And this is exactly why I think we should add "old" or "classic" in front or
the non-reddish/bluish ones as fast as possible.
Then we can always decide later on (when it no longer causes confusion) whether
or not to change "Light bluish gray" to "Light gray".
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Yes I think it is still helpful to mark those as old/classic even if no change
it to be made to the newer exisiting colours
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 10:34 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, psusaxman2000 writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, psusaxman2000 writes:
| |
I understand your point about the names being long or drawn out, but I don't
agree with your point on sand blue.
When it comes to shading though, I've always been of the understand that
it's similar to a compass reading. so sand blue by shading would become Grayish Blue.
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Okay by I think your side stepping away from my main point which is not so much
about how Sand Blue is named (I have no problem with the name) but what we call
Light/Dark Bluish grey?
That said I do still see more of both grey and blue in Sand Blue whereas for
the other colours I only really see Light and Dark grey
I remember when I first joined this site looking for the Stone greys I just thought
oh wait they must just be called Light/Dark grey, no wait Blusih grey?? What
the hell?
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At what interval does something become "old"?
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At the point it just becomes inherently obvious that Lego has moved away from
the production of a main shade of a colour in prefernce for a new shade of colour.
Brow along with Light and dark gey I think everyone would consider old colours
that have fallen out of favour by the Lego Group.
It does'nt mean I think an obscure colour that Lego has'nt release for
a few years should also be considered old/discontinued but maybe the use of the
term 'Classic' to get around these concerns? though I prefer to reference
them 'old' myself
| | I agree with your point that they could easily be a new gray down the road at some point,
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To be honest I think any new shade of grey that Lego create will only be to accompany
the exisitng Light/Dark grey rather than to replace them hence why I feel these
greys will remain the current staple greys for many years to come hence whi I
feel they deserve the proper accurate title of Light/Dark grey.
| | but is the fact that there are two and one is more "bluish" really an issue, or just because it's a longer name?
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I don't think either of them warrant the term Bluish because bluish puts
the idea into someones head that the colour is a bluey grey type colour not disimilar
to how I see sand blue
| | There are other colors in the palette that have longer names too like Bright
Light Orange or Blue and some of the Trans parts inherently are long. I'm
not saying your point is at all invalid but is it worth the effort is all.
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Yes but my thinking is for the CORE colours which I consider both these greys
to be it makes sense to stick to the basics i.e Light Grey, Dark Grey, Blue,
Dark Blue and only then should we feel it necessary to get elaborate with the
colour names. If you give the basis core colours the basic standard names people
will understand these to be the standard core colours within the vast colour
pallete
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 09:56 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, tpr writes:
| | In Suggestions, axaday writes:
| | Among the MOST confusing things we could do would be changing the name of a color
to the name that we just took away from another color.
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But it could be possible.
You could change Lt Grey etc to "Classic" or "Old" immediately and you could
give a notice period of when bluish grey would change to the existing Lt Grey
etc - during which time members and new members would get used to the Classic
colours
tpr
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+1
Yes making the changes to the Old greys first would be a very good idea even
if that means Bricklink hold off changing bluish grey for quite a few months
At least it would feel like we're moving in the right direction in terms
of names that truly reflect the correct colours....
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 09:44 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, psusaxman2000 writes:
| |
I understand your point about the names being long or drawn out, but I don't
agree with your point on sand blue.
When it comes to shading though, I've always been of the understand that
it's similar to a compass reading. so sand blue by shading would become Grayish Blue.
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Okay by I think your side stepping away from my main point which is not so much
about how Sand Blue is named (I have no problem with the name) but what we call
Light/Dark Bluish grey?
That said I do still see more of both grey and blue in Sand Blue whereas for
the other colours I only really see Light and Dark grey
I remember when I first joined this site looking for the Stone greys I just thought
oh wait they must just be called Light/Dark grey, no wait Blusih grey?? What
the hell?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 09:27 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, axaday writes:
| | Among the MOST confusing things we could do would be changing the name of a color
to the name that we just took away from another color.
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Not really because most people when they come to look for the most common current
bluish grey colours will wonder where they have gone and soon realise they are
now jsut Light/dark grey especially if the old ones have been repalced with 'Old
Light/Dark Grey'
Besides if we can change the colour of Light Flesh to Light Nougat and the like
which is used on many themed minifigure heads I'm sure people will adjust
very quickly!
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Also just to add that I don't think Lego are about to change these core grey
colours any time soon if ever at all? (They may expand of the greys perhaps?)
therefore its a small price/change to make now for something that will make more
sense for later on in the future. I mean do we really want to be refering to
greys as blusih grey 20 or 30 years down the road just to cater for some old
grey colours that are long since discontinued and becoming rarer and rarer?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 09:19 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, axaday writes:
| | Among the MOST confusing things we could do would be changing the name of a color
to the name that we just took away from another color.
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Not really because most people when they come to look for the most common current
bluish grey colours will wonder where they have gone and soon realise they are
now jsut Light/dark grey especially if the old ones have been repalced with 'Old
Light/Dark Grey'
Besides if we can change the colour of Light Flesh to Light Nougat and the like
which is used on many themed minifigure heads I'm sure people will adjust
very quickly!
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 09:04 | | Subject: | Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 480 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Open | | Vote: | [Yes|No] | |
| It will be known to many that I’ve always favoured the idea of using official
Lego colour names not because I like them better or think they describe the
colours better (Many are very odd choices!) but simply because it creates less
uncertainty about what I’m selling and what the customer thinks they are buying
however I’ve made that argument already and now’s probably the time to accept
that Bricklink colour names are unlikely to match that of the Lego group!
However one thing that has always jarred me somewhat is the use of the term ‘Bluish’
to describe the greys when I’m sure if it was’nt for the need to fit around the
older existing greys already in the catalog both would have no doubt just been
given the simple description Dark/Light Grey instead of Dark/Light Bluish Grey?
The thing is the way I see it Bricklink uses its own colour names for three main
reasons:-
A) Lego never provided a colour name for them to use (at least not in the early
days!)
B) They wanted their colour names to better describe and match the actual shade
of colour!
C) They wanted their colour names to be short and to the point!
However when it comes to those last two points colours like ‘Dark Bluish Grey’
and ‘Light Bluish Grey’ both fail to meet that ideal objective compared to most
of the other colour names that have been created by Bricklink. Both descriptions
are lengthy and somewhat misleading? If anything I see more ‘Bluish Grey’ in
a colour like Sand blue than either of these two greys and when all said and
done they are basically just Light and Dark Grey?
So what does it matter and what to do?
Well because they are both what I would call very common CORE central colours
in Legos colour palette it stands to reason that we should perhaps think about
giving them the most suitably descriptive name for them (Light and Dark grey?)
after all that is what any newbie or anyone else for that matter would define
them as?
Both of these colours are ‘very current’ where as the discontinued greys are
not so current and therefore probably don’t warrant the need for the best descriptive
name for them any longer? In fact if we were to rename the existing Light and
Dark Grey as ‘Old Light Grey’ or ‘Classic Light Grey’ I think this would also
be very helpful to newbies when they are confronted with so many different shades
of grey?
I would also consider using the ‘Old/Classic’ tag for some other discontinued
colours too like Brown i.e ‘Old Brown’ I have less problem with Reddish brown
remaining as that is at least what Lego themselves call it but ‘bluish’ is a
made up bricklink term that has little relevance to the actual colour nor does
Lego use the term? Lego may have added more blue to the actual colour mix than
the old greys but in appearance they are simply intended to be a Light and Dark
Grey in a new and current form hence I feel we should refer to them as such?
Also wherever we use the term ‘Very Light’ can I suggest using the term ‘Pale’.
i.e ‘Pale Grey’ instead of ‘Very Light Bluish Grey’ as shorter names are much
easier for people to read off the site and to label/Inventory their stocks even
if that does mean some initial disruption?
Lastly shouldn’t we at least try and mirror Lego’s reference to Grey and use
‘Grey’ instead of ‘Gray’ in the descriptions?
I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 13, 2021 19:13 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, leopard37 writes:
| | Perhaps the need is there for headgear as well. However I disagree with by theme. I found
again and again that the second you think something is set by LEGO to be used
in one set it will appear in another. Maybe not often with Star Wars but still.
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Yes but my thinking was more to do with the theme the part is more commonly associated
with or originates from therefore for instance
I would category this as say Ninja/Ninjago headgear and ignore the fact its used
by Star Wars Dengar
| | My opinion is to categorize with the real world (helmets, hoods) and than the
theme will work itself out. Thanks for the response.
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Yes I agree though for it to work I think it would have to have a crossover of
parts some categoried by theme and others by the style so you'd have stuff
like Stormtooper helmets under star wars headgear and stuff like Batman cowls
under Super heroes headgear but then other items like all these:-
Not categoried by their theme (Castle, Lord of the Rings, Vikings etc..) but
categoried together as Warrior/Knight type helmets
I mean I would'nt really want to see a single helmets category that consists
of everything from Knight helmets to construction worker helmets to Ironman helemts
if you see my point
That said I would'nt have a problem with a hats category that contained a
little more variation from cowboy hats to basball caps to top hats though a separate
Trade/Occupation category may also be useful for stuff like chef, butcher hats,
construction worker helmets, police hats or even Racing driver helmets?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2021 19:38 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, leopard37 writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Okay, we're ready to hear what you want moved.
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Alright, this post is more to create discussion, not necessarily must be implemented.
As a seller I find the Minifigure, Utensil and Minifigure, Weapon categories.
I propose sub categories to thin out the main categories. A large portion of
current listings can remain in the main category (like an other or general category
- items that do not meet the definition of the sub category).
Minifigure, Utensil Tool
-anything with tool in the title
-axes
Minifigure, Utensil Kitchenware (could use a better name - best I could come
up with)
-anything you would find in your kitchen, pots, glasses, teapots, etc.
I also believe handlebars, and chairs should move to vehicle.
Minifigure, Weapons, Bladed
-swords, knifes, you know blades...
Minifigure, Weapons, Guns (Projectile is another potential name)
-projectile weapons, bows could also go in here.
Would love to hear what others think of the idea.
Tyson.
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I have also felt that more categories would be beneficial not just for weapons
but other minifigure categories too such as headgear. For instance if your searching
a store to see what Knight/castle style helmets the store has I'm sure it
would be better to be able to do this without having to scroll through lots of
star wars helmets or ninjago wraps etc...
However the problem with categorising by theme is that there are too many crossover
parts like this hood that can be found in almost all the main themes
That said even just separating all the headgear that is unique to a specific
theme would be a good starting point meaning 'Star Wars Headgear' would
include anything from clone trooper helmets to Rebel Pilot helmets to Vader +
Boba Fett helmets along with caps with imperial insigma etc..
Whilst hoods might be used on Jedi and Sith they are quite generic and would
have to remain under the standard generic headgear category.
When it comes to weapons I would again be inclined to try and organise things
by theme/era i.e primative style weapons such as bows and axes separated from
space type weapons etc... but I think this would also present some problems as
there will always be items that are difficult to find a suitable home for likewise
even when going by your own category suggestions where they are sorted by weapon
type what do you then do with something like a flail? personally I think I would
like to see these located in the same palce as things like swords, axes, bows
etc...
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2021 15:14 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | My solution would be that it is not a figure, but the guidelines say it is for
anyone that wants to change it.
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I should have been more clear. If you disagree with the current situation with
portions of the catalog, please offer concrete suggestions to improve the situation.
This must occur at the level of policy/guidelines.
So, an example of these kinds of suggestions:
1. I think you guys should rewrite the guidelines for minifigs to say
exactly this thing: "Minifigs are defined as (insert content)."
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Minifigure = Anything that uses the Standard Torso Assembly design
or if there needs to be more clarity to ensure all those with Pirate Hooked hands
or boxing gloves are also included it must consist of this instead:-
Modified Figure = Anything from droids, to brick built Droids, to Skeletons and
stuff like Gollum, Slimer, Unikitty, Scurrier, Scooby etc..
Microfigure = Anything very small consisting of a single or maximum of two parts
such as Baby, Baby Yoda, Palpatine Hologram, Baby Groot, Trophy figures and all
those game figures etc..
I’m sure you will recall that I’ve mentioned this before and so I can assume
that you probably don’t see it as an ideal solution which is fine but let me
know where you see issues and I will try to re-think things whilst taking those
issues into account? However I think any solution will always run into problems
and catalog contradictions and so it may be that there is no one perfect solution?
However a less than perfect solution is always going to be better than a far
from perfect solution which is what we are going to end up with if we bundle
every buildable character into minifigs?
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Criticizing those who are actually working to resolve some of these longstanding
issues with the catalog makes you feel good and I get that. I do it too and
for the same reasons: it releases neurochemicals for me.
But until you put in the effort to effect solutions rather than just pointing
out problems, you're behaving in destructive rather than constructive ways.
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Criticizing for the sake of criticizing may very well be the way Yorbrick and
a few others get their fix but it’s certainly not the purpose of any of my own
criticisms as I hope you will appreciate that almost anything I critic is always
accompanied with alternative solutions even if others don’t agree with those
solutions and yes whilst I do have a lot to say, I think a lot of that stems
from my previous working background where I've spent much of my working life
at two different companies where I was specifically tasked with implementing
database solutions for cataloguing parts and components both for an Electrical
Transformer company and an IT company so basically exactly what a Bricklink catmin
is tasked with only dealing with different categories and different parts!
Now of coarse that doesn’t mean that I somehow think that makes my own suggestions
superior to anyone else’s and I don’t say all this because I one day crave to
be a catmin... I’m simply here to sell and that is all!
(besides which there are people here with a far wider knowledge of Lego than
myself which is another useful attribute) but because I want the catalog to work
for me and also work for my customers this is the only reason I allow my past
experience to kick in to find fault and offer solutions for what I see as issues
within the current catalog!
However whenever I critic the catalog please don’t ever think that I also critic
the hard work/good intentions of the catmins themselves regardless of whether
or not I share those same ideas and solutions
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 12, 2021 06:51 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Okay, we're ready to hear what you want moved.
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The entire assembly of this set, and all other buildable figures should be moved
into minifigures. These are characters built out of parts like Thomas the Tank
Engine, Cars, etc. As those examples are now minifigures, then surely so are
these characters.
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Reading between the lines here I figure (no pun intended) that you don't
think the current system used by Bricklink to define what makes a minifigure
a minifigure makes a whole lot of sense? Well I don't disagree....
Personally I've always felt that a minifigure should only be defined as minifigure
if the build includes that all important standard Torso design:-
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1192759
It may not be the perfect solution but at least we would then have some kind
of guidelines to follow which will prevent any old buildable character (however
large) from being categoried alongside what most would consider an actual minifigure?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 5, 2021 12:15 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog, firestar246 writes:
And this outlines the second problem: Colour convention. This has to be made
consistent as well. I think I'd prefer the second one, as I'd say hair
colour is intuitively the more logical variable part than the headgear. Headgears
like cook's or police hats typically don't vary much in colour, so
the variation in the hair is more likely.
As for catagorisation, I'd prefer them in Minifig,Hair as it is less than
half the size of Headgear, but it's just my vote.
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I think this is why the newly formed hair category struggles to determine what
actually belongs under hair and what belongs under headgear because by directing
parts into either category based on how much hair is showing compared to how
big the head wear itself is only leaves a lot of ambiguity and uncertainty as
to where it belongs?
I think the best solution is as I’ve tried to explain further up the thread here:-
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1249746
In short if the headgear includes more than just HAIR alone and ends up turning
a minifigure into a specific themed character, trade, profession or some kind
of unique non-human species I feel it should go under headgear rather than hair
Here is a good example. Someone is looking for some simple hair to use on a minifigure
but they haven’t yet decided on what design they want but they stumble upon this:-
It contains plenty of hair but do they don’t intend their minifigure to become
a construction worker?
Nor a King?
Nor an Elf?
Not even a Bat Monster? I mean why would they?
Nor a hat wearing character like Radagast?
and yes whilst this contains hair and seems quite generic they were looking in
the hair category and so did they actually ask for the hat to go with it?
For this reason all those examples I think would be better suited under headgear
Whereas whilst the below parts are designed specifically for characters such
as Saruman and Hagrid they are still just standalone hair and relevant to people
searching for hair within the hair category or at least that’s the way I see
it?
Am I honestly completely alone on this one?
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Sure, I totally get that. I just think it is easy to remember regardless of where
it is put, and then since Hair is the smaller category it would keep things slightly
more browseable. But it's just my vote, of the majority wants to put it in
Headgear then let it be Headgear.
(And maybe there's a better solution to manage the size of the Headgear category...
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Well if it was down to me I'd break headgear down into the following:-
Hair - Just Hair!
Headwear - Hats, Helmets, Ninja head wraps etc...
Headgear - All those unique combo parts be that Hat/Hair, Orc Ears/Hair, Bombur
Belly/Hair
but others don't like the idea of this for the reasons mentioned here...
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1249730
Whilst it would be nice to keep all those together I feel its a small sacrifice
to pay if it means the rest of the catalog can be better organised in the process
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 5, 2021 10:30 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog, firestar246 writes:
And this outlines the second problem: Colour convention. This has to be made
consistent as well. I think I'd prefer the second one, as I'd say hair
colour is intuitively the more logical variable part than the headgear. Headgears
like cook's or police hats typically don't vary much in colour, so
the variation in the hair is more likely.
As for catagorisation, I'd prefer them in Minifig,Hair as it is less than
half the size of Headgear, but it's just my vote.
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Me too. I'd prefer anything with hair goes into the hair category.
I would not want pieces like this where there is moulding to indicate an accessory/non-hair
to be moved out of hair:
* | | 29639pb01 Minifigure, Hair Female Long with Parted Bangs, Partly Braided in Back with Yellow Elf Ears and Silver Flower Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Hair |
* | | 28798pb01 Minifigure, Hair Female Pigtails High Bouncy, Hole on Top with Black Hair on Left Side and Black Tie on Right Side Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Hair |
And in some cases, the accessory is the same colour as the hair:
Especially if parts like this, where there is just print and no moulding, remained
in hair:
* | | 85974pb04 Minifigure, Hair Female Mid-Length with Part over Right Shoulder and Medium Lavender Starfish and Lime Seaweed Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Hair |
There are quite a few hairstyles where there is a plain coloured hairpiece, but
also with a version with coloured accessory such as:
They are surely still hair even though there is a non-hair accessory. It cannot
be down to how big the accessory is before something goes in hair or headgear,
as there will be contradictions.
And there are parts like this, that are not all hair but body part and not accessory:
Colour is problematic. Ideally it would be the colour of the hair as the part
colour, but there are pieces like the bald guy head above where the part is light
nougat and the hair painted on.
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Yet with exception of the Orc, elf and liberty parts most of those you have mentioned
I would category as hair anyway? I don’t consider small generic details like
hair bands, flower prints as a reason for them not to be included in the hair
category as like I said only those that drastically change the character of a
minifigure into something very specific such as an elf, a king, a construction
worker or a hat wearing Radagast who I might add is more beard, facial hair and
hat than hair?
The character Harley Quinn again still comes with what is mainly hair likewise
the Alfred bald head is still adding hair to a minifigure so I still class these
as hair
You say there will be contradictions and yes there will always be a very few
parts that are hard to find the correct location for but without some kind of
guidelines to follow there will continue to be far more contradictions than what
we are already experiencing now because if we go by your stand point where any
visible hair should go under hair:-
* | | 17012pb01 Minifigure, Headgear Helmet Space Wraparound with Medium Nougat Hair on Top, Breathing Vents and Red Eye Holes Pattern (Star-Lord)
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear |
Is hair where I should expect to find items like this too?
I think there is also a clue in the category titles which should also help clear
up any confusion as I would have thought that....
hair category = differnt designs of hair? I would not expect to find hair with
hats on top of them or non-human species ears sticking out of them?
headgear category = quite a general term and so could consist of any number of
different combinations and so I would'nt find it all that contradicting to
find a mish mash of different parts under this category as headgear simply refers
to parts that are designed for attaching to heads?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 5, 2021 08:12 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog, firestar246 writes:
And this outlines the second problem: Colour convention. This has to be made
consistent as well. I think I'd prefer the second one, as I'd say hair
colour is intuitively the more logical variable part than the headgear. Headgears
like cook's or police hats typically don't vary much in colour, so
the variation in the hair is more likely.
As for catagorisation, I'd prefer them in Minifig,Hair as it is less than
half the size of Headgear, but it's just my vote.
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I think this is why the newly formed hair category struggles to determine what
actually belongs under hair and what belongs under headgear because by directing
parts into either category based on how much hair is showing compared to how
big the head wear itself is only leaves a lot of ambiguity and uncertainty as
to where it belongs?
I think the best solution is as I’ve tried to explain further up the thread here:-
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1249746
In short if the headgear includes more than just HAIR alone and ends up turning
a minifigure into a specific themed character, trade, profession or some kind
of unique non-human species I feel it should go under headgear rather than hair
Here is a good example. Someone is looking for some simple hair to use on a minifigure
but they haven’t yet decided on what design they want but they stumble upon this:-
It contains plenty of hair but do they don’t intend their minifigure to become
a construction worker?
Nor a King?
Nor an Elf?
Not even a Bat Monster? I mean why would they?
Nor a hat wearing character like Radagast?
and yes whilst this contains hair and seems quite generic they were looking in
the hair category and so did they actually ask for the hat to go with it?
For this reason all those examples I think would be better suited under headgear
Whereas whilst the below parts are designed specifically for characters such
as Saruman and Hagrid they are still just standalone hair and relevant to people
searching for hair within the hair category or at least that’s the way I see
it?
Am I honestly completely alone on this one?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 5, 2021 05:58 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Okay, we're ready to hear what you want moved.
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Split "Minifigure, Body Wear" into three distinct new categories: (1) "Minifigure,
Neckwear", (2) "Minifigure, Hipwear", and (3) "Minifigure, Footgear" to account
for the different sections of a standard figure that come between and outside
of the standard parts of a standard figure (head-to-torso, torso-to-legs, below
legs) that are currently not isolated as headgear is.
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Sounds good and I guess if bodywear is to be replaced with the term neckwear
this does at least reflect on how the part is used which in turn represents all
the parts in the category better as I’ve always struggled with beards being filed
as bodywear?
That said going back to our previous discussion in the other thread I do still
think that just in the same way that hair and wearable items (hats/helmets) are
distinctly different from each other and benefit from separation in the headgear
categories beards/moustaches are also distinctly different to wearable items
and would therefore also benefit from separation in the neckwear category. Anyone
looking for beards should ideally not be stumbling across lots of wearable armour
and clothing and vice versa but hey just my opinion but at least we still share
some similar views for other aspects of the catalog!
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 4, 2021 17:34 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Okay, we're ready to hear what you want moved.
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Currently in ‘Body Wear’ but should be in ‘Minifigure Utensil’ with other similar
items such as Surfboards/Skateboards/Ski’s
Also not sure this one belongs under ‘Body Wear’ either?
Or this under ‘Body Part’ instead of handheld weapons/accessories but I’ll leave
others to decide?
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Just to also add....
Move to Minifig Utencil:-
[p= 2599c01]
Move to ‘Animal Body Part‘ or ‘Minifigure Body Part’?
Not sure where these belong but shouldn’t we keep Bodywear for only those parts
that slide over the neck of a torso?
[p=bb0785pb01]
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 4, 2021 16:51 | | Subject: | Re: Separate Leg Hip wear from Torso Bodywear? | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | Can I make a suggestion that we create a new category for parts that are specifically
designed to go over the leg pins/hips and call it ‘Hip Wear’ or ‘Leg Wear’? as
there are plenty of them and probably many more that I have missed?
In my opinion ‘Body Wear’ should be left exclusively for all those parts that
are designed to go over the Torso/Neck piece only?
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I have also asked for this in discussions with the other admins. I believe it
will happen.
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Okay cool what about also splitting beards/moustaches from the rest of the bodywear
in the same way hair was removed from headgear as it always feels a bit weird
when your looking for wearable items like armour and capes only to find beards
popping up amongst them?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 4, 2021 06:06 | | Subject: | Separate Leg Hip wear from Torso Bodywear? | | Viewed: | 83 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
| Can I make a suggestion that we create a new category for parts that are specifically
designed to go over the leg pins/hips and call it ‘Hip Wear’ or ‘Leg Wear’? as
there are plenty of them and probably many more that I have missed?
In my opinion ‘Body Wear’ should be left exclusively for all those parts that
are designed to go over the Torso/Neck piece only?
* | | 24087pb03 Minifigure Skirt Plastic, Ruffled (Ballerina Tutu) with White and Dark Pink Panels, Silver Stars, and Bright Light Orange Border Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Body Wear |
[p=bb0869pb01]
[p=bb0886]
[p=bb0796pb01]
[p=28211pb01]
[p=bb0870]
[p=bb0869]
[p=bb0836pb01]
[p=18832c02]
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 3, 2021 17:42 | | Subject: | Re: Quote cancellation advises buyer | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, BrickBros20 writes:
| | In Suggestions, Emporiosa writes:
| | Suggestion in regards to automatic quote cancellations:
I've never received a quote cancellation myself, but assuming it doesn't
already say so, it would be beneficial that when a quote cancellation is automatically
sent by the BrickLink system due to an item being sold out, that an automated
message to the buyer is sent out and indicating which item caused the quote cancellation
trigger.
I just received yet another message from a newer buyer asking why their quote
was cancelled and they wanted to accept it. To the buyer, it looks like sellers
are cancelling their quotes, when it's simply that a part that they ordered
is no longer available.
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This would be a great addition! We receive the occasional message asking why
their quote was canceled. It would be a small yet efficient change to how the
quote process works.
~Brick Brothers
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In my opinion it would be better to have parts held during the quote phase so
that the buyer can secure the parts while they wait to be quoted
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 3, 2021 10:27 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Stellar writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | In Catalog, Stellar writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | We have this style of legs/robes under ‘Minifigure, Legs, Modified, Decorated’
which is all good for finding these McGonagall Robes
[P=36036pb23]
But not this style?
I understand it’s probably due to wanting to keep all the decorated sloped bricks
in one place but when the slopes are specifically designed for use with minifigures
this should take precedence as to where they are located because this is where
people will expect to find them i.e under minifigure entries. Likewise those
searching for decorated slopes for a build I’m sure will have very little use
for these kinds of decorated slope designs making them a search hindrance for
the category if anything?
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What about these, they can be very well used in a build:
What I would suggest is just adding the word Skirt to all the 3678b* that are
for minifigs. So that they will appear in searches alongside 36036*
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Yes and I think someone else once said they could use these robes for some curtains
when I mentioned the same thing before...
* | | 3678bpb027 Slope 65 2 x 2 x 2 with Bottom Tube with Minifigure Dress / Skirt / Robe, White Panel with Black and Gold Trim Pattern
Parts: Slope, Decorated |
but we’re really scratching around the barrel for ideas here on the basis of
a one in a million chance that someone might actually stumble across these parts
and decide to use them for their build either way there is nothing to stop people
having a glance under the minifig robes to see what they can find but overall
they don’t cater very well for builders and likewise slopes with space symbols,
computer panels and numbers don’t cater for the needs of those searching for
minifigure parts hence I feel it would be beneficial to separate them
Likewise we have Minifigure heads which have unrelated heads mixed in with them
from goldfish bowls to death star plans:-
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/search.page?q=minifigure%20head%20without%20face#T=P
These should be given their own category ‘Decorated heads’ also we separated
Plain Legs and Torsos from Decorated Legs and Torsos which I think was a good
move and so I think we should also consider separating plain heads from decorated
heads and separating both these again from minifigure heads
As the catalog expands I think it benefits to cater better for the two main types
of shopper ‘builders’ and ‘minifig enthusiasts’ whereas piling everything into
the same catalog entries just because they are the same design of part doesn’t
actually allow for efficient shopping for either?
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Without the tag system suggested we can't improve things like this with the
catalog system Bricklink currently has.
If we were to move things to Category X or Y depending on how it is decorated
it will very well end in a mess of a catalog...
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Hmmm but for now can I suggest that we add the wording 'slope for Minifigure'
in all the descriptions that way a search for 'minifigure slope' will
bring them all up in one place
If you only rely on words like 'dress, robes, skirt' people will always
end up using different interpretations with each catelog upload meaning a search
for one word may be more/less effective than another whereas if its known that
the word minifigure is always included it's easier to remember making a more
reliable way to search
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 3, 2021 06:45 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Stellar writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | We have this style of legs/robes under ‘Minifigure, Legs, Modified, Decorated’
which is all good for finding these McGonagall Robes
[P=36036pb23]
But not this style?
I understand it’s probably due to wanting to keep all the decorated sloped bricks
in one place but when the slopes are specifically designed for use with minifigures
this should take precedence as to where they are located because this is where
people will expect to find them i.e under minifigure entries. Likewise those
searching for decorated slopes for a build I’m sure will have very little use
for these kinds of decorated slope designs making them a search hindrance for
the category if anything?
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What about these, they can be very well used in a build:
What I would suggest is just adding the word Skirt to all the 3678b* that are
for minifigs. So that they will appear in searches alongside 36036*
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Yes and I think someone else once said they could use these robes for some curtains
when I mentioned the same thing before...
* | | 3678bpb027 Slope 65 2 x 2 x 2 with Bottom Tube with Minifigure Dress / Skirt / Robe, White Panel with Black and Gold Trim Pattern
Parts: Slope, Decorated |
but we’re really scratching around the barrel for ideas here on the basis of
a one in a million chance that someone might actually stumble across these parts
and decide to use them for their build either way there is nothing to stop people
having a glance under the minifig robes to see what they can find but overall
they don’t cater very well for builders and likewise slopes with space symbols,
computer panels and numbers don’t cater for the needs of those searching for
minifigure parts hence I feel it would be beneficial to separate them
Likewise we have Minifigure heads which have unrelated heads mixed in with them
from goldfish bowls to death star plans:-
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/search.page?q=minifigure%20head%20without%20face#T=P
These should be given their own category ‘Decorated heads’ also we separated
Plain Legs and Torsos from Decorated Legs and Torsos which I think was a good
move and so I think we should also consider separating plain heads from decorated
heads and separating both these again from minifigure heads
As the catalog expands I think it benefits to cater better for the two main types
of shopper ‘builders’ and ‘minifig enthusiasts’ whereas piling everything into
the same catalog entries just because they are the same design of part doesn’t
actually allow for efficient shopping for either?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2021 10:21 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, firestar246 writes:
as I understand previous admins reason here was that they wanted to have similar
items together in one category. As they are similar a to this one so that is
why they are in the same category.
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Okay but if there is only to be two categories like we have now i.e Hair and
headgear all those parts you mention are already categoried correctly under 'headgear'
and all other hat/hair combos should also be categoried in the same way leaving
only standalone hair for the hair category. There may be a few exceptions such
as this one with hair band which should remain under hair category especially
as its just a print rather than an actual change to an existing hair mold design
I think its fair to say anything found in the hair category should contain standalone
hair which will mean it contains items that can be widely used on almost any
minifigure whereas with regards to most of these hair/hat combos they are very
specific to either a theme, character or trade which in the example you give
are only really suitable for construction type minifigs therefore keep all the
combos, oddities and unique parts together under 'headgear' and leave
the hair category to only contain simple plain hair whether that be anything
from a side partin to a mohawk
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2021 08:02 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| We have this style of legs/robes under ‘Minifigure, Legs, Modified, Decorated’
which is all good for finding these McGonagall Robes
[P=36036pb23]
But not this style?
I understand it’s probably due to wanting to keep all the decorated sloped bricks
in one place but when the slopes are specifically designed for use with minifigures
this should take precedence as to where they are located because this is where
people will expect to find them i.e under minifigure entries. Likewise those
searching for decorated slopes for a build I’m sure will have very little use
for these kinds of decorated slope designs making them a search hindrance for
the category if anything?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 2, 2021 06:39 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, firestar246 writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, firestar246 writes:
| | Also, can the headgear and hair issue be fixed this time around? Those pieces
that are a headgear with hair should all be stuck in either one category or the
other.
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Can you be more specific with examples here, please?
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Well for example, most are under "hair, combo" in the hair category, like:
are all in hair.
But a few oddballs are in the headgear category, like:
are in helmet.
It's a bit confusing.
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Yes I agree and personally I think all those combos you have mentioned should
come under headgear including these two as well along with I'm sure many
more...
* | | 11420pb01 Minifigure, Hair Shaggy and Short with Braided Beard with Olive Green Laced Shirt, Light Nougat Bald Spot and Chin Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Hair |
The ruling should be that hair can only appear in the hair category if it ONLY
contains hair! I appreciate having bombur within headgear may not sit very well
for everyone but when I think of headgear to me its more than just hats and helmets.
Its 'gear' that is intended to go over a head piece and in the case of
the bombur that consists of both hair and body areas. Maybe in the long term
you could use headgear for all the hair/hat/body combos only and then create
a new category called 'headwear' for all your standalone hats and helmets
etc..?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 1, 2021 07:06 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Okay, we're ready to hear what you want moved.
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Currently in ‘Body Wear’ but should be in ‘Minifigure Utensil’ with other similar
items such as Surfboards/Skateboards/Ski’s
Also not sure this one belongs under ‘Body Wear’ either?
Or this under ‘Body Part’ instead of handheld weapons/accessories but I’ll leave
others to decide?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2021 19:27 | | Subject: | Re: Have all printed Legs been deleted? | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| | | In Catalog, LordSkylark writes:
Well, I hope that they don't delete the non-printed versions, because when
I get large lots of used pieces, I end up with lots of misc. legs.
But I definitely would rather have all printed legs added to the catelog.
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As far as the printed legs and hips go I have a feeling its probably just a case
of them being a bit overkill and somewhat of a burden on the catalog to keep
updated and maintained especially when you consider how few people probably search
for them. The thing is those that do search for them are unlikely to find what
they need anyway which makes the whole process of searching for these sub parts
unreliable and not very worthwhile
I guess its a bit different for the plain colours as they have far more uses
and are easier to manage and maintain in the catalog
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jan 21, 2021 06:24 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog missing Head Stud Type (Draco)? | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| | | In Catalog, randyf writes:
If it would have been a new head, then that would be the easiest route. However,
since this is just the 'c'-style mold of the 'b'-style head,
you just reuse the same number as the 'b'-style head and change the 'b'
to a 'c'. In this case, you would have numbered the head 3626cpb0491.
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Thanks Randy but just to clarify the first letter after 3626 is reference to
the mold 'c' for hollow stud or 'b' for blocked open stud right?
What about the following letters and the number at the end only I'm not familar
when you say 'Style' of head?
Also are those that contribute to the catalog expected to get this reference
correct or will it just be corrected by someone before it goes live on the
site. To be honest I always assumed that guys like you, Stormchaser, Hygrotus
etc... actually added most things and also cleared off everyone elses submissions
too but if you yourself are also having to submit catalog entries who's actually
clearing all this stuff off? Is it just Russell and a few back team staff that
we don't hear of? Maybe that includes Stormchaser too now?
| | This is part of the inefficiency of the system. You first have to create the
part using one form, then upload the image using another form. The admin team
has asked for these functions to be combined into one step, but it may take years
for that to happen.
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Okay cool its not just me then
Lastly should'nt the fields on some part types be auto filled for instance
it asks for dimensions on a head along with the weight though they should be
the same for all but I guess this is probably something else that needs time
to be incorporated
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jan 20, 2021 17:30 | | Subject: | Re: Please change "Coral" to "Vibrant Coral" | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
| | | In Colors, Admin_Russell writes:
To get PCC's (Element IDs) to show on an inventory page, change your catalog
settings. BrickLink can display / store up to 10 PCCs per line.
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Thank you for the response but I already have that option ticked and I already
see those element I.D's you've circled which I use and reference for
the unique parts but for non printed parts that come in a variation of colours
I inventory and store those parts by design I.D. however on that same minifig
breakdown page for the Epaulette you have design I.D 2526 visible but not for
the Bandana which still has x70 instead of Design I.D 2543 which I would have
thought would be more useful displayed in the prominent spot here and within
the order picking page?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jan 20, 2021 06:32 | | Subject: | Re: Please change "Coral" to "Vibrant Coral" | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
| | | In Colors, SylvainLS writes:
And it’s clear I’m saying “official colour description” is not far from “official
part description” so why stop at the colours? Part names are as visible as the
colours on S@H or Brickset.
First, Design IDs are visible, and searchable if they are not used as the primary
BL ID. Element IDs are searcheable.
Then, “colours, Design IDs, Element IDs, but not part names,” why?
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SylvainLS you may be very knowledgeable on the subject of Lego and you may be
a forum moderator because of that good knowledge (among other things) but you
don’t sell Lego, you don’t have to sort, organise and inventory that Lego for
selling purposes, you don’t have to locate parts and pick orders, you don’t have
to use Bricklink as a reference source to buy parts for stock, You don’t have
to worry about customers being able to correctly identify and locate what your
trying to sell in your store, you don’t have to accommodate returns or refunds
when a customer expects one thing but receives something else and you don’t have
to worry about receiving negative feedback because of these kinds of misunderstandings
and catalog mis-matches?
Therefore as a seller that does have to worry about these things I can just tell
you that whilst the official Part descriptions you mention are not necessary
on Bricklink a clear understanding between a newbie customer and a seller about
the exact colour they think they’re ordering is in my opinion essential likewise
clearly displayed element I.D’s and Design I.D’s I think are also essential and
yes fortunately it seems that much of the good work on this front is already
being added by the catmins for which I am grateful however it would be helpful
if all these references were displayed in the primary spot for instance in this
minifig part breakdown:-
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?M=sw0246
The Black Epaulette looks good with Design I.D 2526 clearly displayed but the
Bandana and Legs should also be displayed with the correct Design I.D and yes
you can click into each of the parts to find these other references but additional
clicks are not ideal for buyers and sellers who I expect more commonly use Lego
I.D’s
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jan 20, 2021 05:38 | | Subject: | Re: Catalog missing Head Stud Type (Draco)? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | However whilst only in the early stages of sorting I've already noticed this
part only available to list in 'Blocked Open Stud' yet I also have some
of these in 'Hollow Stud' too?
Its a 10 year old part and so is there any reason both options are not in the
catalog and can I expect more of the same or have I just been unlucky?
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Both options are not in the catalog because no one has ever added the other version
to the catalog. And, yes, you may find more from between the years 2010-2013.
| | If stud type is so important to people how is it that its gone unnoticed for
so long?
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Not everyone who uses the site contributes to it. In fact, only a very small
percentage of users are actually contributors. You will be doing the whole BrickLink
community a service by adding this part to the catalog.
Cheers,
Randy
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Contributing seems like a worthwhile cause but when that means I'd be contributing
towards something I'm against i.e splitting the heads so that one stud type
does'nt properly link to the minifig inventory I'm not so sure about
that but neadless to say I have submitted the hollow stud version anyway and
made my first contribution!
but just a couple of questions:-
I took part ref 3626 from inside the head and I assume catmins will add on the
extension of the part ref?
I may have submitted it twice as I expected to be prompted to upload the image
which it did'nt do? Either way speaking of which when I took the photo I
noticed that all my Draco heads appear to have Dark eyebrows on one side and
light on reverse not just on this Hollow stud version but on all my Blocked Open
Stud ones too yet this does'nt appear to be the same for the current photo
in the catalog 3626bpb0491?
Speaking of which since the stud is'nt visible would it not have been possible
to re-use the exisitng catalog image for both Hollow stud and Blocked version
or does it still need a different image? Is my image even suitable when the eyebrows
are different?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jan 19, 2021 19:16 | | Subject: | Re: Please change "Coral" to "Vibrant Coral" | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
| In Colors, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Colors, infinibrix writes:
| | In Colors, yorbrick writes:
| | | | Ideally each piece should be identified in the bricklink catalog with all 3 pieces
of info (official color ID#, BL color name and LG color name). That way if a
seller is entering inventory, they could use any one of those identifiers, and
if a buyer is looking for parts they can find the exact color they are looking
for. The BL color name could still remain the default.
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And what happens when these don't match? Some parts have different official
LEGO colours yet have the same BL colour, and vice versa.
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It does'nt stop bricklink from correcting all those colours that can be corrected
which is the vast majority! Why for instance is Brick Yellow not even mentioned
anywhere alongside all those parts that are Tan? Brick Yellow is an official
description and so its imperative that those official descriptions are highlighted
and searchable within the BL catalog, surely?
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Beware with “official description.”
Do you also want “Pavilion” to be added to
because “Pavilion 6X3X5” is TLG’s name for the part?
It’d make sense.
Then what about “Animal Ass. For No.14” and “Animal Ass. For No.14 No.2” to
They are official names, surely they should be searchable?
“Animal No.8 Body” is also so explicit, I’ll let you find what it is….
Nah, my favorites are “Mini Wig, No.153”, “Mini Figure Wig No. 93” (note the
consistency), and all the dozens of them.
And I didn’t even cite mispelled names or Danish names. “Figur Hjelm No 2” what’s
that? Actually not a helmet.
TLG’s names (parts or colours) are so awful, it’s been said even TLG don’t use
them: they use the numbers.
That being said, colour names could be in the colour guide: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=635575
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Unless Lego colour refernces are clearly visible when searching for parts a colour
reference guide alone is not enough. The site needs to be clear and translateable
to all users NEW and old alike not just translatebale for all those old timers
to this site who have it all memorized!
Also its clear I'm refering to Official Colour descriptions I've never
suggested implementing all those Mini wig No.... descriptions and what not, besides
we have Lego Design I.D's and Element I.D's which again is something
else that should also be visible alongside the parts
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jan 19, 2021 18:56 | | Subject: | Re: Please change "Coral" to "Vibrant Coral" | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
| In Colors, Tracyd writes:
| | In Colors, infinibrix writes:
| | In Colors, yorbrick writes:
| | | | Ideally each piece should be identified in the bricklink catalog with all 3 pieces
of info (official color ID#, BL color name and LG color name). That way if a
seller is entering inventory, they could use any one of those identifiers, and
if a buyer is looking for parts they can find the exact color they are looking
for. The BL color name could still remain the default.
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And what happens when these don't match? Some parts have different official
LEGO colours yet have the same BL colour, and vice versa.
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It does'nt stop bricklink from correcting all those colours that can be corrected
which is the vast majority! Why for instance is Brick Yellow not even mentioned
anywhere alongside all those parts that are Tan? Brick Yellow is an official
description and so its imperative that those official descriptions are highlighted
and searchable within the BL catalog, surely?
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Where else in the world is there a Brick Yellow color? It is Tan. TLG should
have called it Tan, but for whatever reason called it Brick Yellow. That doesn't
change the fact that to most people looking for it will call it Tan.
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But thats not the argument because Whether we like it or not the correct official
colour is whatever The Lego Group called that colour! You seem very sure that
its 'Tan' however others might suggest its beige or cream but in the
end it does'nt really matter what does matter is that the all important colour
reference from the Lego site is directly transferable to Bricklink even if that
means both colours are displayed alongside those relevant parts but not just
for Brick Yellow but Earth Blue, Dark Stone Grey and every other official colour
reference
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jan 19, 2021 13:39 | | Subject: | Re: Please change "Coral" to "Vibrant Coral" | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
| In Colors, yorbrick writes:
| | | | Ideally each piece should be identified in the bricklink catalog with all 3 pieces
of info (official color ID#, BL color name and LG color name). That way if a
seller is entering inventory, they could use any one of those identifiers, and
if a buyer is looking for parts they can find the exact color they are looking
for. The BL color name could still remain the default.
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And what happens when these don't match? Some parts have different official
LEGO colours yet have the same BL colour, and vice versa.
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It does'nt stop bricklink from correcting all those colours that can be corrected
which is the vast majority! Why for instance is Brick Yellow not even mentioned
anywhere alongside all those parts that are Tan? Brick Yellow is an official
description and so its imperative that those official descriptions are highlighted
and searchable within the BL catalog, surely?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jan 19, 2021 12:19 | | Subject: | Re: Please change "Coral" to "Vibrant Coral" | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
| In Colors, THEMIDDLEBRICK writes:
| | Sorry to resurrect this dead thread, but as a buyer I find this to be more than
an annoyance. For instance I am in the middle of buying many different color
tiles for a large mosaic. If I am purchasing some from pick-a-brick (thank you
VIP points) and some via rebrickable, it gets very complicated to track and account
for the different color names, almost impossible for some colors. There isn't
currently a good list that cross references the different names and color id
numbers (not one that is kept up to date at least).
Ideally each piece should be identified in the bricklink catalog with all 3 pieces
of info (official color ID#, BL color name and LG color name). That way if a
seller is entering inventory, they could use any one of those identifiers, and
if a buyer is looking for parts they can find the exact color they are looking
for. The BL color name could still remain the default.
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I could'nt agree with you more!
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1245263
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jan 19, 2021 07:59 | | Subject: | Catalog missing Head Stud Type (Draco)? | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
| Whilst it will already be known to many that I'm not a fan of the fact that
the catalog insists that sellers separate their head stud types and with their
being no change in sight I am now begrudgingly starting to sort through my heads
so that I don't run into problems with customers because regardless of what
I state in my store terms about "Not separating stud types" this won't count
for much in the eyes of Bricklink(Admin has already told me as much!) if/when
a customer chooses to complain and leave negative feedback for receiving the
wrong stud!
However whilst only in the early stages of sorting I've already noticed this
part only available to list in 'Blocked Open Stud' yet I also have some
of these in 'Hollow Stud' too?
Its a 10 year old part and so is there any reason both options are not in the
catalog and can I expect more of the same or have I just been unlucky?
If stud type is so important to people how is it that its gone unnoticed for
so long?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jan 13, 2021 09:29 | | Subject: | Re: Color verification part 40378 | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | In Catalog, eBricksOnline writes:
According to the Lego site as far as silver colours go it only shows up as:-
Description Silver Met.
Category Bricks, Special
Element 6097639
Design Number 40378
and Silver Metalic tranlates to Flat Silver on Bricklink but as already mentioned
not all parts/colours belong to a set or are catalogued on the Lego site indefinitely
The situation is then made worse by Bricklink not using Offical Lego colour names/references
which means people can translate them to the Bricklink site and colour palette
incorrectly and so although the part also shows up on BL in Pearl Light Gray
it may be that it only exists in Flat Silver or as Lego call it Silver Metalic.
This is another important reason why using Legos offical colour names should
take precedence over using colour names just because we like the sound of them
better?
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https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1098690
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1031456
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In the first link you essentially have 3 different colours and they are described
correctly by TLG?
The fact that some of these are slightly different shades I’m sure you are also
aware is common with many other colours too such as Pearl Gold and Yellow though
we don’t separate those or give them their own name either?
If people feel the need to separate those shades even though their tone can vary
to the point that its non conclusive then the comments can always be used saying
Darker/lighter than usual or if it’s a really old colour from a time before Lego
named their colours then I see no issue with Bricklink keeping its own colour
names for those but to purposely use different colour names for the bulk of colours
when TLG have already provided a name for them will always create ambiguity between
different users interpretation of how that matches to bricklinks description
of colours which is detrimental to the accuracy of the catalog? The name of a
colour is like a part number if it does'nt match exactly then you are always
going to run into problems with people guessing or making their own judgments
about what best fits the colour name given by BL?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jan 13, 2021 06:58 | | Subject: | Re: Color verification part 40378 | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, eBricksOnline writes:
According to the Lego site as far as silver colours go it only shows up as:-
Description Silver Met.
Category Bricks, Special
Element 6097639
Design Number 40378
and Silver Metalic tranlates to Flat Silver on Bricklink but as already mentioned
not all parts/colours belong to a set or are catalogued on the Lego site indefinitely
The situation is then made worse by Bricklink not using Offical Lego colour names/references
which means people can translate them to the Bricklink site and colour palette
incorrectly and so although the part also shows up on BL in Pearl Light Gray
it may be that it only exists in Flat Silver or as Lego call it Silver Metalic.
This is another important reason why using Legos offical colour names should
take precedence over using colour names just because we like the sound of them
better?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jan 11, 2021 08:17 | | Subject: | Re: Please Change Name of Part (973pb4140c01) | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog Requests, DeLuca writes:
| | BTW, why did you change "Sensei Wu" to "Wu Sensei"?
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Because some Wus were sorted together by name and others were scattered all over
by name. Now all the Wus are together. If you'd like the title to say "Wu,
Sensei Wu" that's no problem. It still searches just fine no matter the
word order.
But the character's name should be the first word in the title and this fella's
name is Wu. Sensei is an honorific term. That's just a rule I made up,
by the way. Because we have no guidelines.
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The only danger with using certain definitive rulings like this is that it can
make it very determental to the way the character titles are displayed and read
plus you also have to consider how far it could end up going?
Vader Darth
Maul Darth
Sideous Darth
I beleive Darth is also a form of title?
Then you have:-
Flitwick Professor
Mcgonagall Professor
Lupin Professor
Cody Commander
Ackbar Admiral
Leia Princess
I could go on.....
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jan 9, 2021 13:28 | | Subject: | Re: How does a person inventory a minifigure? | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | My thoughts exactly and so is there a long term solution for this in the pipeline
or will the catalog have to remain hindered for the sake of keeping stud types
separated?
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We've asked for a long-term solution for all part variants. Roughly, it
would involve a single catalog entry that buyers or sellers could customize with
specific variants. This will allow people who don't care about variants
to never worry about them. It will also allow much more specificity and sorting
of variants for collectors. So a major win for everyone.
The only problem is how such a system would integrate with inventories, but I'm
sure that can be solved.
As for whether we'll get what we asked for or not . . . well, we do have
XP. And Studio. And a program for building mosaics. And the ADP. And IC.
And the CEP. So . . . priorities, I guess.
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As a short term solution is it not possible to merge minifig head types and insist
that people leave the stud type in the comments. I understand it will affect
people from being able to narrow down their wanted list searches but having to
purchases heads manually is a small price to pay if it means having a more complete
and accurate minifig inventory?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jan 9, 2021 13:06 | | Subject: | Re: How does one inventory a minifig? | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
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And then the site itself has failed here by not designing a way that collectors
can separate these minor differences while the majority of users can ignore them
if they choose.
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My thoughts exactly and so is there a long term solution for this in the pipeline
or will the catalog have to remain hindered for the sake of keeping stud types
separated?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jan 9, 2021 09:06 | | Subject: | Re: How does one inventory a minifig? | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | P.S.
Please also check with your set what type of stud head has.
You submitted it as hollow stud (c type)
[p=3626c]
LEGO rectently changed mold for transparent heads to vented stud
[p=28621]
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?q=28621*
so what type of stud head from this set has?
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I don't want to sound like I'm being critical over the good work you
guys do but when stud types take such precedence and are so detrimental to the
navigation and linking of correct heads to minifigures it adds very little useful
funtionality in my opinion. I'm sure most just want to know what heads are
intended for what minifigure(s) and if we can cater for those that want to know
stud types then great but when its done at the expense of cataloging certain
heads that supposedly don't belong or link to any minifigure at all or
that are split between different minifigs depending on the stud type you have
to ask why a random stud type that was never inteneded to have any importance
by TLG is so important to the catalog? Please can someone also clarify my question
about selling minifigs here:-
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1244104
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jan 8, 2021 07:54 | | Subject: | Re: Why 38014pb01 is not a Minifigure? | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Mirko8710 writes:
I recall that this was one of the reasons that there was talk about changing
the minifigure category to 'Figure' or 'Character' as to use
the term minifgure to describe this along with so many other parts I'm sure
seems very odd to most.
I made a previous suggestion here:-
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1192727
but as you can imagine it’s an absolute minefield and everyone has completely
different ideas of what would work for the best and then of course there are
certain category limitations or so I'm told?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2021 06:04 | | Subject: | Re: Country of user in forum message list | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | Plus any seller is welcome to add their country already if they want to. When
I used to post sales, I often put UK in the title for this reason.
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Yes but even though you and I might be inclined to include the country of origin
in title so as to ensure we focus on the right audience so many don't bother
and how many times have you clicked into a generic topic/issue that has no relevance
and is limited to another country the other side of the world?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jan 6, 2021 05:51 | | Subject: | Re: Country of user in forum message list | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | In Suggestions, dosenfant writes:
| | Hi there,
It would be great if the country of a user could be displayed in the forum's
message lists - along with the other user information like feedback, etc. Especially
in the "Sales" forum you could then quickly deduce whether the offer might be
interesting for you or not.
As an example I'm from Germany, but many offers are from the US which are
usually not interesting to me due to high shipping costs.
Best regards
Daniel
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The rectangle in the upper right corner of every post has the users country,
feedback, whether the store ships to you, and so on.
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Yes but by that point he's already had to click into many forum posts that
may not otherwise be of any interest to him which I think is what he's trying
to say. For instance he may be insterested in deals or other regional issues/topics
posted by someone from his own country but not interested in clicking into topics
concerning deals/matters that are isolated to other parts of the world!
With that in mind it would be a worthy addition though unless it only involves
a quick adjustemnt I can't see BL spending any amount of time/work fixing
up what is already an outdated forum? but I share the OPs reasoning and I would
also like to see country flags alongside every order in my Order lists. Perhaps
there is already an option though I've not been able to find one?
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