Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | infinibrix  | | Posted: | Mar 24, 2021 06:51 | | Subject: | Re: Minifigure sw0737a | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, Thargor writes:
| | I just saw that Minifigure sw0737a Poe Dameron was added to the catalog. This
Minifigure is included in set 75149 and comes with helmet and hair piece.
In the past we often had Minifigures that had both helmet and hair piece but
they were only listed once in the catalog e.g. sw0416, sw0772, sw0407 ...
Why is Poe now listed twice as sw0737 with hair and as sw0737a with helmet?
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Maybe the new one comes with the 4+ X-wing
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It does, but why is it not a new number? It is a different figure as it has different
parts. There are other figures that are similar but different and appear in different
sets and have different numbers. Such as
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I totally agree with you
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1190568 (and whole thread)
but as I see admins have different opinion about that.
I also think it should be new number.
...but I give it up and I don't care any more 
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Oh thats a shame to hear.... having glanced over your previous post I think I
pretty much agree with your proposal as I've just posted similar in this
thread though you may think some of my examples go a step too far with just relying
on different print decal but that is as least how I truly see minifigs being
unique enough to warrant their own ID
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 24, 2021 06:38 | | Subject: | Re: Minifigure sw0737a | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, Thargor writes:
| | I just saw that Minifigure sw0737a Poe Dameron was added to the catalog. This
Minifigure is included in set 75149 and comes with helmet and hair piece.
In the past we often had Minifigures that had both helmet and hair piece but
they were only listed once in the catalog e.g. sw0416, sw0772, sw0407 ...
Why is Poe now listed twice as sw0737 with hair and as sw0737a with helmet?
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Maybe the new one comes with the 4+ X-wing
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It does, but why is it not a new number? It is a different figure as it has different
parts. There are other figures that are similar but different and appear in different
sets and have different numbers. Such as
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If anything those Yoda’s are actually more similar to each other than the Poe
and so if we’re adding the letter ‘a’ to the end for similar items then we should
probably start with renaming them as sw0471 and sw0471a if we insist on keeping
the one with the bracket in the catalog?
Likewise the same for minifigs like these (jwo23 and jwo23a for backpack)
I would even extend further by saying maybe minifigures should only warrant a
new/unique reference where the minifig specifically has unique print decal be
that on the head, torso ,legs etc… the point being that adding a backpack, changing
the colour legs or style of hair is essentially just accessorising that same
minifigure differently thereby these Han’s would become sw0612, sw0612a, sw0612b
And even these Zane’s although they may look very different they are still essentially
the same minifig with the same print decal on the head and torso and just accessorised
differently and so may benefit from njo106 and njo106a:-
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 16, 2021 10:24 | | Subject: | Re: Two Weeks?! | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, bje writes:
| | In Catalog, psusaxman2000 writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | In Catalog, BricksThatStick writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Catalog Newsletter which went out yesterday.
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Guess my copy is stuck in the postal system somewhere...
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Same! I thought it was just me only I don't see any news letter either?
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This was an email that came from blservice@ bricklink . com
Double check your spam folder as it looked to be a mass blast.
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Not a chance - there is no blocking on my mail servier for blservice or bricklink
- in fact all mails are coming through as normal although late, not even the
***SPAM*** thing in front of orders and additions. Maybe only went to the USA?
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Yes I think BL may need to check whats happening as my inbox is super organised
and any filters very specific to only true spam.
I use gmail which is very easy to search and I've searched for newsletter
and via bricklink email address but nothing anywhere?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 16, 2021 10:08 | | Subject: | Re: Two Weeks?! | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, BricksThatStick writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Catalog Newsletter which went out yesterday.
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Guess my copy is stuck in the postal system somewhere...
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Same! I thought it was just me only I don't see any news letter either?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 16, 2021 06:50 | | Subject: | Re: Two Weeks?! - personal solution | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | I can't help but feel like we're
soon gonna have the catagories we want to have and these large projects aren't
necessary anymore, but maybe I'm wrong...
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Well, that's absolutely the goal. This time around we created photographic
definitions for all the shape-based categories (brick, plate, tile, wedge, slope,
ring, ball, cone & dome, cylinder, etc.). Many of the movements will be done
for those parts, but some will remain undone (brick categories, slopes, and wedges).
Getting shape-based stuff sorted out was huge, so that's a lot of
progress. They're also probably the most impactful categories, so we're
getting them (mostly) out of the way first.
I know people want the large figure parts / Technic / Bionicle categories looked
at, so we'll have to get into those at some point. And theme-based categories
need to be looked at (Friends, in particular).
And another thing to keep in mind is that we want to have submenus for the Parts
category tree at some point. When that happens we'll probably create additional
categories to separate things further within the submenus (minifigure body parts,
for example, can be split up into multiple smaller categories once we can move
those into submenus).
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Thanks for the fast replies guys, now I understand a bit better what the attitude
to the catalog is. Seems category based sorting is not reliable now but there
might be some "light at the end of the tunnel" for my situation - I am going
to wait and see where where it goes, while my store is closed at the moment anyway.
Before I open up again at some point, I'll either align my entire store to
the new Bricklink categories (if they're "finished") or use a remark system
(if they're still fluid).
If I use remarks, I will write a tool. This tool will automatically assign custom
category names to all remark fields in the inventory, based on the part number.
It reads a text file that contains category/label names and a list of part numbers
that should belong to it. If anyone would be interested in such a tool, let me
know and I might start working on it a bit sooner 
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Whilst it can be helpful to use the remarks field for random parts where you
might choose to have them stored away and labelled in trays 001 to 500 or whichever
solution you choose don’t be afraid of using different filing methods for different
parts .
For instance where I always hold stock of a certain part I just store and file
them by design I.D
For instance I always hold stock of design I.D 3901 in various different colours
therefore I have a location for 3901 with all the available colours in the one
place that means I never need to update any remarks for those particular parts
However when picking I sometimes notice that the Bricklink catalog doesn’t always
put the most up-to-date design ID or at least the most common I.D in the main
prominent spot which would be handy
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 15, 2021 05:24 | | Subject: | Re: Option to search for unprinted parts | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | In Suggestions, The_RealRedHex writes:
| | Maybe an option to search for unprinted parts could be implemented. This would
include stickers, printed parts, and stickers over assemblies.
Regards,
Theo - The_RealRedHex
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Search:
-pattern
The word pattern is included in the name of nearly every decorated part.
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Whilst unofficial Stormchaser has drafted up that he does not want to see the
word pattern included for minifig parts and possibly extending that to other
parts in the long term?
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2506
"Excluded Words - The following words should not appear in figure titles: "figure"
and "pattern.""
Either way when I suggested trying to enable people to be able to search for
non decorated/patterned legs like this:-
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1256683
The change was made only to be reverted back because yourself and then other
people looked too deeply into how two-tone somehow had anything to do with dual
molded?
Two-Tone = A visual colour combination made up of two colours
Dual Molded = A manufacturing process
The point being that anything that can help narrow down peoples searches can
only be a good thing
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 14, 2021 04:19 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Minifig sw0100 | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, dcarmine writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part 3901 Dark Nougat Minifigure, Hair Male
* Add 1 Part 3901 Dark Orange Minifigure, Hair Male
Comments from Submitter:
I have an original figure, and I know what dark orange looks like.
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But do you know what Dark Nougat looks like?
This is the only hairpiece ever made in Dark Nougat (and is one of the only pieces
known to exist in Dark Nougat), and Dark Nougat is very similar to Dark Orange.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126975831@N07/14890173099/
And this set definitely came with that hairpiece in Dark Nougat. (The official
LEGO data for this set confirms this as it also says it came with Dark Nougat
hair.)
If your original figure came from a sealed set with *true* Dark Orange hair,
then another minifigure will need to be created instead of altering the inventory
of this one.
Cheers,
Randy
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also just to add that within that same set it actually comes with Kenobi with
hair described as Dark Orange and then the Anakin hair is officially described
differently as:-
Color Orange-brown
Description Dark Nougat
I'm not sure why Lego use two colour references for that same part but its
certainly intended to be different to Dark Orange thats for sure
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 12, 2021 15:42 | | Subject: | Re: Colour Abbreviations for Catalog Navigation? | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, randyf writes:
Okay thanks but back to Jennifers point it might work well if you already know
what minifigure you have in your hand but if you don't know the name of the
character your looking at it may have been a reliable means of searching for
minifgs using these kinds of search options but I get it people(as well as myself)
ar'nt keen with the awkward looking description titles so I won't push
it any further
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 12, 2021 13:54 | | Subject: | Re: Colour Abbreviations for Catalog Navigation? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Suggestions, popsicle writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | Just an idea I’m putting out there for future consideration because with colour
abbreviations it can give you useful options for catalog use/navigation!
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It's a strong idea that's getting some push back. How about...
For color descriptors within the title, just using the color itself
as a small box next to the part within the description, as in the Color Guide?
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And then people will have to hover over the patch to know the name of the colour
because the colours are undistinguishable unless they are side to side and named?
Not very practical, I fear.
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Yeah Popssicle its a terrible idea and almost as bad as the OPs suggestion 
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 12, 2021 13:39 | | Subject: | Re: Colour Abbreviations for Catalog Navigation? | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, DeLuca writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | The only abbreviations I have ever tried to use for colors are LBG and DBG and
then only when pressed for character space. Abbreviations are often difficult
to read and add to visual clutter. I am not sure why the entire minifig's
inventory would need to be listed in its name when that information is already
searchable? Sorry, I am very not onboard with this suggestion. I did a search
for 'spider-man' limited to minifigs and got 24 results. I can clearly
see all of them on one page of thumbnails and can quickly scan for the differences.
That's good enough for me!
Jen
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Well part of the reason for giving this idea some thought is because minifgs
will apparently need to have their own unique description and cannot rely on
using vague terms like Spider-man 1
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I do agree that this is a bad title, but this is an example of the more general
issues with many current figure titles, and of the need for improved standards
(which are currently being developed) - Something like “Spider-Man - Silver Web
and Eyes Pattern, Blue Arms and Legs” would be sufficient, and would not
lengthen and clog up names with unnecessary colour-abbreviations.
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unless those colour abreviations could be used to search but hidden from view
in descriptions because I agree they do look messy
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 12, 2021 13:36 | | Subject: | Re: Colour Abbreviations for Catalog Navigation? | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | The only abbreviations I have ever tried to use for colors are LBG and DBG and
then only when pressed for character space. Abbreviations are often difficult
to read and add to visual clutter. I am not sure why the entire minifig's
inventory would need to be listed in its name when that information is already
searchable? Sorry, I am very not onboard with this suggestion. I did a search
for 'spider-man' limited to minifigs and got 24 results. I can clearly
see all of them on one page of thumbnails and can quickly scan for the differences.
That's good enough for me!
Jen
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Well part of the reason for giving this idea some thought is because minifgs
will apparently need to have their own unique description and cannot rely on
using vague terms like Spider-man 1
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Just to add how are you getting just 24 Spider-mans on one page as when I search
Spider-man I get 139 results which includes everything from Aunt May to all Spider-mans
nemisis
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 12, 2021 13:17 | | Subject: | Re: Colour Abbreviations for Catalog Navigation? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | The only abbreviations I have ever tried to use for colors are LBG and DBG and
then only when pressed for character space. Abbreviations are often difficult
to read and add to visual clutter. I am not sure why the entire minifig's
inventory would need to be listed in its name when that information is already
searchable? Sorry, I am very not onboard with this suggestion. I did a search
for 'spider-man' limited to minifigs and got 24 results. I can clearly
see all of them on one page of thumbnails and can quickly scan for the differences.
That's good enough for me!
Jen
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Well part of the reason for giving this idea some thought is because minifgs
will apparently need to have their own unique description and cannot rely on
using vague terms like Spider-man 1
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 12, 2021 12:47 | | Subject: | Re: Colour Abbreviations for Catalog Navigation? | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | Just an idea I’m putting out there for future consideration because with colour
abbreviations it can give you useful options for catalog use/navigation!
[…]
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Using tags would bring the same searchability advantages without cluttering the
descriptions with incomprehensible jargon terms.
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So what is incomprehensible about ... ?
Bear Costume Guy - Minifigure only Entry - Torso-WHT (Heart and Rainbow), Headgear-CRL
(Mask Bear/Panda), Head-YEL, Left Arm-BLO, Right Arm-CRL, Left Hand-DAZ, Right
Hand-BLO, Hips-CRL, Left Leg-MAZ, Right Leg-BLO.
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You'd probably only bother to reference a complex minifig like this:-
Bear Custume Guy - Torso-WHT (Heart and Rainbow), Headgear-CRL (Mask Bear Panda),
Head-YEL (DS)
Besides most people will already find quite easily with key searches for Bear,
Coral, Rainbow
However with other minifigs where you have lots of Han Solos for instance you
could simply search 'Han Hair-LBG' and that alone will only bring up
these two minifigs:-
and thats where it really helps to find things
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In truth you'd only need to start including colour references to arms and
things like that if your dealing with complex variations of minifigs such as
spider-man otherwise colour references for the 4 core minifig components would
be sufficients i.e Headgear or Hair, Head, Torso, Legs
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 12, 2021 12:42 | | Subject: | Re: Colour Abbreviations for Catalog Navigation? | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | Just an idea I’m putting out there for future consideration because with colour
abbreviations it can give you useful options for catalog use/navigation!
[…]
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Using tags would bring the same searchability advantages without cluttering the
descriptions with incomprehensible jargon terms.
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So what is incomprehensible about ... ?
Bear Costume Guy - Minifigure only Entry - Torso-WHT (Heart and Rainbow), Headgear-CRL
(Mask Bear/Panda), Head-YEL, Left Arm-BLO, Right Arm-CRL, Left Hand-DAZ, Right
Hand-BLO, Hips-CRL, Left Leg-MAZ, Right Leg-BLO.
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You'd probably only bother to reference a complex minifig like this:-
Bear Custume Guy - Torso-WHT (Heart and Rainbow), Headgear-CRL (Mask Bear Panda),
Head-YEL (DS)
Besides most people will already find quite easily with key searches for Bear,
Coral, Rainbow
However with other minifigs where you have lots of Han Solos for instance you
could simply search 'Han Hair-LBG' and that alone will only bring up
these two minifigs:-
and thats where it really helps to find things
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 12, 2021 07:33 | | Subject: | Re: Colour Abbreviations for Catalog Navigation? | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | Just an idea I’m putting out there for future consideration because with colour
abbreviations it can give you useful options for catalog use/navigation!
[…]
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Using tags would bring the same searchability advantages without cluttering the
descriptions with incomprehensible jargon terms.
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Granted but I don't expect that will be coming anytime soon....
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 12, 2021 07:08 | | Subject: | Colour Abbreviations for Catalog Navigation? | | Viewed: | 205 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Open | | Vote: | [Yes|No] | |
| Just an idea I’m putting out there for future consideration because with colour
abbreviations it can give you useful options for catalog use/navigation!
For starters I glanced at all the different colours and it didn’t appear to be
too difficult to give each colour a suitable 3 Letter abbreviation though it
goes without saying that a few colours may be forced to have a 4 letter abbreviation
but they will likely be just a very few obscure colours such as Very Light Bluish
Grey (VLBG) or Trans Light Bright Green (TLBG) but even if it became problematic
some colours may not even benefit as much from the need to have an abbreviation
compared to the more widely and commonly used colours
Either way here are just a few quick abbreviation examples:-
Black – BLK
White – WHT
Reddish Brown – RBR
Dark Brown – DBR
Light Bluish Grey – LBG
Dark Bluish Grey – DBG
Dark Grey – DGR
Red – RED
Blue – BLU
Dark Blue – DBL
Green – GRN
Olive Green – OGN
Tan – TAN
Dark Tan – DTN
Orange – ORG
Dark Orange – DOR
Yellow – YEL
It’s also worth mentioning that the idea would be to have these abbreviations
on display wherever we see colour descriptions which is pretty much anywhere
in the catalog and so if we had abbreviations like this I don’t think it would
take long for people to memorize them and put them to good use so that instead
of searching for ‘Dark Tan hair’ they can just search ‘DTN hair’ or instead of
‘Light Bluish Gray Helmets’ they can just search ‘LBG Helmets’. The other benefit
is that where space is limited in descriptions a Torso could contain ‘RBR Belt
Buckle’ instead of ‘Reddish Brown Belt Buckle’
However once you have colour abbreviations in places their uses can be extended
in other ways too for instance if they are combined with a minifigure part to
create a unique combined colour/part reference such as Legs-DBR (Dark Brown Legs)
or Torso-GRN (Green Torso) these combos can be exclusively used to narrow down
search results for minifigures in ways where you barely need to worry about trying
to guess or work out what keywords have been used and in some cases you won’t
even need to know the name of the character!
For Example if I start with this Henry Minifigure description in its most basic
form it would look something like this:-
Henry - Torso-RBR, Hair-DTN, Head-LNO, Legs-OGN
Granted it’s not the most visually pleasing of minifig descriptions and right
now you’re probably thinking it looks a confusing mess but translated it basically
reads ‘Reddish Brown Torso, Dark Tan Hair, Light Nougat Head and Olive Green
Legs
Now even before I add keywords to that description or even if it already had
keywords and I wasn’t sure what keywords to try? If I had that minifig in my
hand and I didn’t know the name of the character I will at least still be reassured
that with a simple search for some or all of those main minifig part colours
it will either bring up what I’m looking for or narrow it down considerably.
For example if I search for say both ‘Hair-DTN Legs-OGN’ that Henry minifig will
be the only minifigure match that comes up because it’s the only minifigure in
the catalog that currently includes both Dark Tan hair and Olive Green Legs.
Now even if I search for both ‘Hair-DTN Head-LNO’ I’m sure I will still only
get a very small page of matches and that’s before I’ve even attempted to narrow
down with character names Like Luke or Han or the colour/description of the torsos/legs
etc etc...
Essentially if minifigure descriptions were laid out in a format something like
this:-
Minifig Character/Type (*) - Torso/Arms-COLOUR (*), Hair/Headgear-COLOUR(*),
Head-COLOUR (*), Legs/Hips-COLOUR (*), (*Other Keywords)
where the (*) represents where keywords can be added for each core minifigure
component (as/when necessary) it would then mean a revised and more detailed
example of the Henry Minifigure might look something like this even though the
description may not need to be quite as detailed for helping to find this particular
minifig:-
Henry - Torso-RBR, Arms-WHT (Brown Waistcoat, White Tunic), Hair-DTN (Swept Back
Ponytail), Head-LNO (DS, Open Mouth Smile/Worried), Legs-OGN
Its worth mentioning that the ‘DS’ after head represents Double Sided Head (SS
= Single Sided) which would allow you to narrow down even further with just a
couple of extra letters added within search criteria
However one thing to also notice is that you can still search for specific colours
such as the ‘White’ print details found on legs or torsos such as the white tunic
without needing to worry about it bringing up core components in white as they
will only come up if you search ‘Arms-WHT’, Legs-WHT, Torso-WHT, Head-WHT, Hair-WHT
whereas searching for white alone would mean the colour can be set aside for
prints allowing you to be more specific with your overall minifig search results...
Here are a few more examples of how similar minifigs might look:-
Han Solo - Torso-WHT (Shirt), Hair-RBR, Head-LNO (SS, Smirk), Legs-RBR
Han Solo - Torso-WHT (Shirt), Hair-RBR (Wavy), Head-LNO (DS, Closed Eyes), Legs-DBR
Han Solo (Senior) - Torso-DBR (Jacket), Hair-LBG, Head-LNO (DS, Angry), Legs-BLK
(Printed Gunbelt)
Han Solo (Hoth) - Torso-DBL (Jacket), Headgear-DBL (Parka Hood), Head-LNO (SS,
Smirk), Hips-DBL, Legs-TAN (Printed Gunbelt)
Knight (Crusader Lion) - Torso-Red, Arms-BLU, Headgear-DGR (Neck Protector Helmet),
Head-YEL (SS), Hips-BLK, Legs-BLU
I appreciate in might not be to everyone’s liking but it does for the most part
seem to work and I’m pretty sure I could even use it to tackle all those samey
spider-man minifigs without having to worry too much about relying on vague (Web
Pattern) keywords and focusing more on the definitive colours of Torsos, legs,
hips, arms and definitive styles such as printed/legs arms etc…
But again just some ideas for another day perhaps?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 8, 2021 09:30 | | Subject: | Re: Image recognition feature | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, starbeanie writes:
Thanks I knew it was somewhere under racing minfigs but it seems its not a 'speed
racer' minifig but rather a 'Racer'
I think it needs the hair print added to description
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 8, 2021 09:14 | | Subject: | Re: Image recognition feature | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, axaday writes:
| | In Suggestions, Grosoleil writes:
| | It would be nice to have an image recognition feature for parts, especially minifigure
heads, there are so many!
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What color is that hair? I guessed dark tan, but didn't find anything.
It's a primitive light nougat head. That should make it easy to find if
it is real, but I'd need to know that hair color.
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When I first saw it I straight away thought it belonged to a Speed Racer minifig
or maybe vey old Harry Potter?
These have similar design style with the hair speaking of which it should be
coming up with a search for 'Light nougat head hair' as the hair is quite
a defining feature for that particular head but it did'nt come up when I
searched
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 2, 2021 13:05 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two - UPDATE | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | Is "Figure" the best keyword?
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No idea. We use "Minifigure" 8,567 times and "Figure" 1,843 times. There's
no standardization of the terms.
I suppose we could change them all to "Figure/Minifigure" to catch both types
of searches. That's only 10,410 catalog changes.
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Since all the other minifigure parts are currently described as minifigure I
would do the same for the slopes too as they after all very much minifigure parts!
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 2, 2021 12:39 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two - UPDATE | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | In which case 'Slope, Minifigure' would be better?
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First you must consider how best to accomplish your goal. You want to tag all
the Slope 45 2 x 2 parts that are used as the bottom halves of figures with a
unique identifier to make them easier to locate.
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Yes but that is why I put all these questions to you in the first place as you
originally just sent me a link to go about submitting a request myself even though
its now clearer to me that you were'nt fully onboard with my approach? my
point being, your the catalog expert therefore why not just give me your own
input/thoughts if you feel it should be done differently otherwise I'm just
submitting a request thats is going to go full circle and end up rejected anyway
or was that the intention?
| | Is the word "Minifigure" the most appropriate term to use here? It is already
used for 8,567 items in the catalog. I doubt anyone would use that word when
searching for these particular slopes, but I suppose they might?
|
Well they certainly won't use that word now because they already know Minifigure
is not included in any of the sloped leg descriptions however once they know
it is they will then be confident with using that term to search?
| |
The word "Legs" is used 5,679 times. Oddly, in combination ("Minifigure Legs")
we only find 42 uses. Regardless, it might be worth considering the best search
terms to use for your endeavor.
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There is a big difference though as to find Legs you only need to search for
'Legs' but because there are countless other slopes you cannot just rely
on the word 'slopes' meaning you have to rely on another key word combination
be that 'Slope Legs' or 'Slope Minifigure' or if we can guarantee
the words Dress, Robes and Skirt will all be used on every sloped legs then that
would perhaps be sufficient enough?
People only need a guarantee certain words are included in order to feel confident
about being able to rely on them in their search criteria and so I'm not
so fussy about the word used but I just thought minifigure defines them all as
they are all Minifigure slopes whereas they are not all Skirts, they are not
all robes and they are not all dresses hence this makes it feel like an unreliable
search term for people to depend on?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 2, 2021 10:02 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two - UPDATE | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
In which case 'Slope, Minifigure' would be better?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 2, 2021 09:59 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two - UPDATE | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | Does that mean I have to submit a separate request for each and every Sloped
Legs?
|
Yes, it does mean that.
| | or can I just submit one part as an example of how they all need to be changed?
|
Start with one request to show us what you have in mind. We'll contact you
if it can't be approved. If it is approved, you're cleared to request
updates to the rest of the items you'd like to change.
|
Yes that was my issue as I don't mind going to the trouble of finding them
all and submitting the requests but I'd rather not spend a lot of time only
to find they all get rejected!
Therefore starting with this as an example:-
* | | 3678bpb027 Slope 65 2 x 2 x 2 with Bottom Tube with Minifigure Dress / Skirt / Robe, White Panel with Black and Gold Trim Pattern
Parts: Slope, Decorated |
My request would simply be to put the word 'Minifigure' in front of the
word Slope and that is how I will request it unless you feel the word 'Minifigure'
would be better placed further along in the description?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 2, 2021 09:45 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two - UPDATE | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | would it be possible to add the word 'Minifigure' within the description
|
If you'd like to see titles of individual items changed, you may request
those with this form:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogReq.asp
|
Does that mean I have to submit a separate request for each and every Sloped
Legs?
or can I just submit one part as an example of how they all need to be changed?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 2, 2021 07:48 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two - UPDATE | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | We have 915 items potentially moving this time (up from 540 items last October),
but we still didn't make it to these suggestions from the February, 2021
discussion:
randyf
Friends category
|
What is the reason for not being able to get to this? It was brought up in very
fine detail in October last year and was brought up again this time. So between
when I first proposed everything and when it may eventually get implemented come
this October, that is one full year. I thought you were the one who wants to
solve issues instead of to keep putting them off? Or is that not the case anymore?
|
Just speculating but I have a feeling it may have something to do with how these
changes might then affect how we treat other things like Mini doll Hair?
Those friends accessories certainly have uses for all figures and there already
seem to be crossovers with traditional minifigures using these accessories such
as the bow in the hair here:-
which means it also uses the Friends style of hair too and likewise its used
again here-
The question I therefore have is at what point is hair considered standard hair
or Mini doll hair?
This Dana minifig uses standard hair:-
or does it?
Is it therefore declared as a certain style of hair by how its first released
or by the fact that its rubbery or does it simply come down to the fact that
it comes with a hole in the top?
In which case what does that mean for other traditional hair types like this
rubbery one?:-
or this traditional one with a hole?:-
It may in the end be simpler to merge them all just to keep some clarity however
at the same time many of those friends hair seem out of place on most traditional
minifigs likewise those friends utensils seem a little bit brightly coloured
when it comes to considering them for use with traditional minifigs so I see
both sides and am a bit of the fence with this one?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 2, 2021 06:30 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two - UPDATE | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | decorated slopes used as legs - these should remain decorated slopes
|
Okay but if minifig slopes are to remain with the rest of the decorated slopes
would it be possible to add the word 'Minifigure' within the description
so that people are able to bring them all up with just a search for 'Minifigure
Slope' so they can exclude all the irrelevant slopes?
Currently searching for Dress, Robe, Skirt is never a guaranteed way to find
them all as they are all tagged with different key words
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 1, 2021 15:41 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | I don't think can be a weapon handle.
|
But my suggestions is for it to go under a new category called 'Bar Holders/Hilts'
which does'nt just mean weapon handles it means anything designed to hold
a bar which includes items like these:-
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 1, 2021 08:18 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| |
I think I might have agreed with you with just leaving the Dooku/Inquisitor hilts
under weapons and moving the others as there is no question that those standard
hilts have many more uses than just for minifig lightsabers especially as they
now come in so many more different colours however the problem I have is that
I very much see the standard metalic silver hilts as weapons and I feel others
will expect to find them under weapons too therefore I don't think hiding
them away under bars would be an option.
The only way it would work for me is if all those bar holder parts were under
a new category called something like bar holders/Weapon hilts after all most
of these are also commonly used as weapon handles/components:-
* | | 92690 Bar 1L with Top Stud and 2 Side Studs (Connector Perpendicular)
Parts: Bar |
Also here's another one under chain?
|
Additionaly when you Look at the Bars category:-
https://www.bricklink.com/myImg/654346.jpg
I think part of the problem is that there is no clear definition as to what should
be included under bars therefore I would propose the following....
Rename Bars category to 'Bar Attachments' or 'Bar Shafts' where
items must include a distinct shaft pole for inserting into other parts just
as these parts do:-
* | | 48729b Bar 1L with Clip Mechanical Claw - Cut Edges and Hole on Side
Parts: Bar |
* | | 58176 Bar with Light Bulb Cover (Bionicle Barraki Eye)
Parts: Bar |
Then I would suggest creating a new category calling it something like 'Bar
Holders/Hilts' for connector pieces and things like weapon handles:-
* | | 92690 Bar 1L with Top Stud and 2 Side Studs (Connector Perpendicular)
Parts: Bar |
This would then invalidate all those grills, frames and barricade parts that
are also found under bars but it has already been suggested that they should
be moved further up the thread here:-
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1255674
That proably then just leaves a few miscellaneous oddities like this:-
* | | 30359a Bar 1 x 8 with Brick 1 x 2 Curved Top End (Original, No Axle Holder)
Parts: Bar |
Which although it contains a bar holder at one end is too much of a varied part
to warrant being cataloged under bar holders. Speaking of which rather than trying
to find a home for every single part would it not be better to have a 'Miscellaneous'
parts category as that would be the first place I would look for something like
this? I understand it will end up becoming a bit of a dumping ground for anything
and everything but parts like this are always going to be hard to find anyway
no matter how you try to category them. Besides this category could also be a
kind of temporary location for newer oddity parts allowing for more time to carefully
think about the best place to put them plus as the items start to build up in
this category it may allow for similar items to become more apparent allowing
them to eventually be calaloged together elsewhere?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Mar 1, 2021 04:08 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
* | | 92690 Bar 1L with Top Stud and 2 Side Studs (Connector Perpendicular)
Parts: Bar |
| | is a super specific mold that has not been found anywhere except Count Dooku's hands.
is so far always a lightsaber.
|
You are right about these two, since they were designed to replicate specific
lightsabers (Count Dooku's and the Inquisitors', respectively) - The
only reason that I want them in the "Bar" category is because of the consistency-of-placement
issue, but I would accept them staying in the "Weapon" category until they are
reused for something else. 😕
|
I think I might have agreed with you with just leaving the Dooku/Inquisitor hilts
under weapons and moving the others as there is no question that those standard
hilts have many more uses than just for minifig lightsabers especially as they
now come in so many more different colours however the problem I have is that
I very much see the standard metalic silver hilts as weapons and I feel others
will expect to find them under weapons too therefore I don't think hiding
them away under bars would be an option.
The only way it would work for me is if all those bar holder parts were under
a new category called something like bar holders/Weapon hilts after all most
of these are also commonly used as weapon handles/components:-
* | | 92690 Bar 1L with Top Stud and 2 Side Studs (Connector Perpendicular)
Parts: Bar |
Also here's another one under chain?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 27, 2021 19:36 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
| | In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | In Catalog, Ber_i writes:
| |
Please move:
to "Ladder & Bridge".
Please move:
to "fence".
|
I am going to vote against moving any of these bar parts. Just because something
can be used as a fence or a railing, doesn't mean it should end up there.
(4083 and 6187 are used more often on vehicles than fences in my opinion.) Moving
6020 and 30095 would separate them from other very similar parts like 62113 which
could also be used a fence or a ladder I guess.
Anyway, these parts are all comprised mostly of bars and should stay put.
Thanks!
Jen
|
I disagree I find it quite bewildering to find these under bar? As I do for many
of the other items found under bar which also probably require a new home?
A bar to me is for the most part a long pole shaped object. Bars that are combined
to create more of a grill, frame or railing should be treated as such
For instance items like this:-
* | | 35366 Bar 2 1/4 x 5 1/4 Double Squares (BrickHeadz Glasses Square)
Parts: Bar |
I think some need to be classified as Grills/Frames and others as Railing/Barricade/Fences
or whatever category names suit best
|
also move from bar to minifigure utencil
* | | 6190 Bar 1 x 3 with 2 Stud Receptacles (Radio Handle / Telephone Handset)
Parts: Bar |
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 27, 2021 19:26 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | In Catalog, Ber_i writes:
| |
Please move:
to "Ladder & Bridge".
Please move:
to "fence".
|
I am going to vote against moving any of these bar parts. Just because something
can be used as a fence or a railing, doesn't mean it should end up there.
(4083 and 6187 are used more often on vehicles than fences in my opinion.) Moving
6020 and 30095 would separate them from other very similar parts like 62113 which
could also be used a fence or a ladder I guess.
Anyway, these parts are all comprised mostly of bars and should stay put.
Thanks!
Jen
|
I disagree I find it quite bewildering to find these under bar? As I do for many
of the other items found under bar which also probably require a new home?
A bar to me is for the most part a long pole shaped object. Bars that are combined
to create more of a grill, frame or railing should be treated as such
For instance items like this:-
* | | 35366 Bar 2 1/4 x 5 1/4 Double Squares (BrickHeadz Glasses Square)
Parts: Bar |
I think some need to be classified as Grills/Frames and others as Railing/Barricade/Fences
or whatever category names suit best
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 27, 2021 13:28 | | Subject: | Re: Category Changes, Part Two | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | Okay, we're ready to hear what you want moved.
|
Parts (64567), (66909), (61199), and (x156) from "Minifigure, Weapon" to "Bar".
|
I understand where your coming from and maybe it might work for just the standard
hilts but those curved ones are very much for weapon use and since they ideally
need to be in the same location I'm torn between puting them under weapons
or bars though bars seems like the wrong description?
At the same time I do actually think these should also be located in the same
location as the hilts:-
* | | 92690 Bar 1L with Top Stud and 2 Side Studs (Connector Perpendicular)
Parts: Bar |
So perhaps it just requires a new category 'Bar Holders' or 'Bar
Connectors' or if the hilts go under bars I think some re-wording of the
category would be required such as 'Bars & Bar Holders'
I accept there are bricks that have holes to hold bars but they are still primarily
bricks whereas parts like these are primarily intended to hold bars:-
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 26, 2021 10:06 | | Subject: | Re: grey vs bluish grey (help!) | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
| In Colors, peregrinator writes:
| | I don't think that light gray is intermediate between light bluish gray and
dark bluish gray though. It's different but not *that* different (and it's
not always easy to tell the difference between them). I don't know that there
is a color that is really in between the two, aside from a few parts that might
be described as "medium gray" or "medium bluish gray".
|
Yeah if you look at the current two bluish grey colours they are so significantly
far apart from each other that I am surprised Lego have'nt released a shade
between the two though I expect that will one day come as shades of grey are
extremely popular for both space and castle as well as many other builds
Strangely they seem to have poked around with too many very light greys for some
reason when you consider we've had Light Grey, Light Bluish Grey and Very
Light Bluish Grey
But in answer to the OP I think sellers on sites like ebay assume most buyers
ar'nt fully aware of Lego colour names let alone Bricklinks and so I for
one just call them Light and Dark grey on ebay as this is the best colour representation.
If I start calling them Bluish Grey I think most people would think I'm refering
to a colour closer to Sand Blue than that of a shade of grey
|
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2021 17:57 | | Subject: | Re: White or LBG....can you see it? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
| In Colors, peregrinator writes:
| | In Colors, infinibrix writes:
| | I have sometimes done the same thing but for me its been where Black looked more
DBG
|
My current inventory bugaboo is black vs dark blue, but I've mostly "solved"
it by storing them in separate drawers.
|
I know that feeling too. If you hav'nt got good natural daylight they can
all look black
|
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2021 17:26 | | Subject: | Re: White or LBG....can you see it? | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
| In Colors, axaday writes:
| | In Colors, dcarmine writes:
| | This has been bugging me for a while. Many years ago the color of the rendering
images was changed. Ever since, I have had trouble telling the difference between
some color images. I know others complained about it also. Because of this,
I make mistakes when pulling the right color parts.
I have no trouble telling the difference between any colors of real bricks or
any of the photo images. It is only the part renderings. Maybe if enough people
can't tell either, we can get it changed to something that is easier to see.
So, who can tell the difference between these two images? One is white and one
is LBG. They are screen shots of rendered parts without any editing. What say
you?
Donna
|
The way my inventory is stored makes it unlikely that I would pull the wrong
piece, but I do frequently waste my time looking for the wrong color because
of the LBG/white renders.
|
I have sometimes done the same thing but for me its been where Black looked more
DBG
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 19:06 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
| | In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | I am not trying to stir up bad feelings or cause trouble, but the reality
is that if we change our names to suit some users, we are causing problems for
others. It's like BrickLink's XP wanted to dumb down our catalog structure
so that newbies have less trouble. What they ended up with was a mess! There's
a balance and I think much of what we have built here is good for most of us
and occasionally confusing for new people.
|
I think the OP should also consider the irony in Jennifer not thinking this is
a good idea, having been involved in the last change AND having th store name
“OLD GREY BRICKS”.
Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
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Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.
Jen
|
How about we rename Light Bluish Gray to Light Grey, and retain the "A" for the
older color:
Light Gray (1970s through 2003)
Light Grey (2004 though the present)
|
Can we not include the date it was retired for more clarity?
Light bluish Grey = Light Grey
Light Grey = Light Grey 2003
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 11:30 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | Well as someone who buys and sells accross multiple platforms I can tell you
it creates immense confusion not just for me but no doubt my customers also.
To start with should I label my own stocks/inventory as per Legos Colour Names
(Medium Stone Grey) or Bricklinks (Light Bluish Grey) and then how should
I list them for sale on other sites like ebay? should I just play it safe and
call it (Light Grey) and hope that an inexpereinced parent buying for kids can
make sense of it all or should I be concerned that an expereinced buyer is going
to quiz me on the fact that I've sold them Light Bluish grey instead of the
described Light Grey? Either way it seems I already have three different reference
names in use for the same colour depending on where I'm buying or where I'm
selling, who I'm picking for or how I'm labelling my inverntory!? Not
confusing enough?
|
I think this paragraph helps us understand more of why you are requesting this
colour name change. I assume you want more uniformity in colour names that will
spread to other platforms that you sell lego on like eBay. Frankly, I don't
think that's a valid reason to be pushing this change on BL. BL colour designations
were designed for reselling, not LEGO brand continuity. If you are using eBay,
then you are selling to the wild west since they are obviously not lego specific.
People will buy grey megabloks as much as grey lego on eBay, so why should that
concern BL users or the way BL labels colours?
|
Because I have Bricklink users that shop with me on all three platforms be that
ebay, BL or BO and is that so surprising? Either way it does'nt surprise
me that a minor point I make gets inflated on the forum as this huge Single reason
I'm seeking to have sensible colour names. If you read my other posts in
this thread then you may start to understand my reasoning more clearly?
|
I don't see how it is in BrickLink's best interest to make it easier
to sell on other websites. We want both buyers and sellers to come to OUR website
with their business.
The color names we have are there because they describe the color for what it
is. The new grays definitely have a bluish tint, and the new brown has a lot
of red in it. There is something written about the history here:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2500
|
Russell it would be naive to assume sellers here don't sell on other platforms?
Remember sellers that sell elsewhere probably also buy stocks here besides which
if I predominiently already make most of my sales elsewhere you could use that
same train of thought to make it easier for me or atleast encourage me to sell
more here on Bricklink?
|
also with regards to the colour definitions at what point do you have to go back
to using the basic colour names such as Ligth grey and Dark Grey again? because
if Lego do indeed keep releasing new shades for all colours there is only so
many times you can keep using terms like reddish or bluish to describe what people
see as a simple light or dark shades of greys or browns and there will come a
point when colours need to be defined in their simple forms again! I'm only
pointing out the inevitable where it will become increasingly difficult to define
colours using meaningful descriptions when all the good sensible colour names
have been used already to accomodate discontinued colours?
|
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 11:07 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | Well as someone who buys and sells accross multiple platforms I can tell you
it creates immense confusion not just for me but no doubt my customers also.
To start with should I label my own stocks/inventory as per Legos Colour Names
(Medium Stone Grey) or Bricklinks (Light Bluish Grey) and then how should
I list them for sale on other sites like ebay? should I just play it safe and
call it (Light Grey) and hope that an inexpereinced parent buying for kids can
make sense of it all or should I be concerned that an expereinced buyer is going
to quiz me on the fact that I've sold them Light Bluish grey instead of the
described Light Grey? Either way it seems I already have three different reference
names in use for the same colour depending on where I'm buying or where I'm
selling, who I'm picking for or how I'm labelling my inverntory!? Not
confusing enough?
|
I think this paragraph helps us understand more of why you are requesting this
colour name change. I assume you want more uniformity in colour names that will
spread to other platforms that you sell lego on like eBay. Frankly, I don't
think that's a valid reason to be pushing this change on BL. BL colour designations
were designed for reselling, not LEGO brand continuity. If you are using eBay,
then you are selling to the wild west since they are obviously not lego specific.
People will buy grey megabloks as much as grey lego on eBay, so why should that
concern BL users or the way BL labels colours?
|
Because I have Bricklink users that shop with me on all three platforms be that
ebay, BL or BO and is that so surprising? Either way it does'nt surprise
me that a minor point I make gets inflated on the forum as this huge Single reason
I'm seeking to have sensible colour names. If you read my other posts in
this thread then you may start to understand my reasoning more clearly?
|
I don't see how it is in BrickLink's best interest to make it easier
to sell on other websites. We want both buyers and sellers to come to OUR website
with their business.
The color names we have are there because they describe the color for what it
is. The new grays definitely have a bluish tint, and the new brown has a lot
of red in it. There is something written about the history here:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2500
|
Russell it would be naive to assume sellers here don't sell on other platforms?
Remember sellers that sell elsewhere probably also buy stocks here besides which
if I predominiently already make most of my sales elsewhere you could use that
same train of thought to make it easier for me or atleast encourage me to sell
more here on Bricklink?
|
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 10:50 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | Well as someone who buys and sells accross multiple platforms I can tell you
it creates immense confusion not just for me but no doubt my customers also.
To start with should I label my own stocks/inventory as per Legos Colour Names
(Medium Stone Grey) or Bricklinks (Light Bluish Grey) and then how should
I list them for sale on other sites like ebay? should I just play it safe and
call it (Light Grey) and hope that an inexpereinced parent buying for kids can
make sense of it all or should I be concerned that an expereinced buyer is going
to quiz me on the fact that I've sold them Light Bluish grey instead of the
described Light Grey? Either way it seems I already have three different reference
names in use for the same colour depending on where I'm buying or where I'm
selling, who I'm picking for or how I'm labelling my inverntory!? Not
confusing enough?
|
I think this paragraph helps us understand more of why you are requesting this
colour name change. I assume you want more uniformity in colour names that will
spread to other platforms that you sell lego on like eBay. Frankly, I don't
think that's a valid reason to be pushing this change on BL. BL colour designations
|
|
| | | | were designed for reselling, not LEGO brand continuity. If you are using eBay,
then you are selling to the wild west since they are obviously not lego specific.
People will buy grey megabloks as much as grey lego on eBay, so why should that
concern BL users or the way BL labels colours?
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Because I have Bricklink users that shop with me on all three platforms be that
ebay, BL or BO and is that so surprising? Either way it does'nt surprise
me that a minor point I make gets inflated on the forum as this huge Single reason
I'm seeking to have sensible colour names. If you read my other posts in
this thread then you may start to understand my reasoning more clearly?
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Just to add you cant start here:-
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1253376
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 10:42 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | Well as someone who buys and sells accross multiple platforms I can tell you
it creates immense confusion not just for me but no doubt my customers also.
To start with should I label my own stocks/inventory as per Legos Colour Names
(Medium Stone Grey) or Bricklinks (Light Bluish Grey) and then how should
I list them for sale on other sites like ebay? should I just play it safe and
call it (Light Grey) and hope that an inexpereinced parent buying for kids can
make sense of it all or should I be concerned that an expereinced buyer is going
to quiz me on the fact that I've sold them Light Bluish grey instead of the
described Light Grey? Either way it seems I already have three different reference
names in use for the same colour depending on where I'm buying or where I'm
selling, who I'm picking for or how I'm labelling my inverntory!? Not
confusing enough?
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I think this paragraph helps us understand more of why you are requesting this
colour name change. I assume you want more uniformity in colour names that will
spread to other platforms that you sell lego on like eBay. Frankly, I don't
think that's a valid reason to be pushing this change on BL. BL colour designations
were designed for reselling, not LEGO brand continuity. If you are using eBay,
then you are selling to the wild west since they are obviously not lego specific.
People will buy grey megabloks as much as grey lego on eBay, so why should that
concern BL users or the way BL labels colours?
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Because I have Bricklink users that shop with me on all three platforms be that
ebay, BL or BO and is that so surprising? Either way it does'nt surprise
me that a minor point I make gets inflated on the forum as this huge Single reason
I'm seeking to have sensible colour names. If you read my other posts in
this thread then you may start to understand my reasoning more clearly?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 10:06 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, tec writes:
| | In conclusion I was not thinking enough, i'm sorry I haven't advanced
any good contributions
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Don't worry neither have I with my original post and subsequent responses
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 09:20 | | Subject: | Re: Misprint / Missed Print | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, CPgolfaddict writes:
| | It seems clear the one on the left simply skipped part of the printing process
and should not be a new decorated cone.
Although I found multiples with the same error....
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Interestingly I think I have a similar style misprint but for a different cockpit:-
Unless someone can point me the direction as to what I actually have?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 08:03 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, StormChaser writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | Either way what is it about ‘old’ in the colour names that Bricklink doesn’t
like?
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Old is an undefined word, as is new. Old as relative to what? We've run
into problems in the past using old/new as descriptors and are definitely moving
away from using those two words. They are ultimately meaningless.
For example, if TLG deliberately changes the colors of grays again, we're
stuck renaming everything again. And to what? Old LBG, New LBG, and Even Newer
LBG?
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You could also say ‘Very Light’ as relative to what? or ‘medium’ as relative
to what?
The term ‘Old’ would be relative to how the catalog is now/today keeping in mind
that I feel it is highly unlikely that Lego will intentionally replace what has
now become their core staple shades of colour for both those light and dark greys?
On the same token if Lego release a new shade of Grey that is lighter than Light
Bluish Grey but darker than Very Light Bluish Grey you’re still in the same predicament
of what to call it? and having to change Light Bluish Grey to Medium Bluish Grey
in order to make way for the new shade of colour?
I fear you are attempting to future proof something that can’t be future proofed?
That said there is one way to future proof it but I fear people will no doubt
dislike the idea:-
But let’s say in relation to the colour grey there are only 4 or maybe 5 shades
of grey that are ‘Current’ and in production by Lego at any one time and let’s
say they are given these simple clear definitions within the catalog:-
Pale Grey
Light Grey
Grey
Medium Grey
Dark Grey
Each current shade will keep and hold that position until the time (if it ever
comes?) it becomes discontinued or replaced whereupon the new shade will take
up its positon using the same colour name. The discontinued grey would remain
within the catalog using the same name it once had but with the added extension
of the year it was thought to be discontinued?
So along with the above greys the catalog would also contain shades of grey renamed
in the following way:-
Light Grey 1984
Light Grey 2007
Dark Grey 1996
But heres the situation....
If you hate the idea then you probably needn’t worry too much as I don’t foresee
Lego changing the shade of its core colours very often if ever at all and so
very few colours will need to be marked with a discontinued date!
And if I’m wrong your still faced with trying to fit in all these new future
shades of colour which will involve a bigger headache when you’re restricted
by the catalog and having to make up new names on the spot like ‘Light Medium
Bluish Grey’ or worse! just to accommodate all those similar shades of grey that
have long since been discontinued and have already taken all the good sensible
colour names?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 17, 2021 06:21 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, GreatBuy writes:
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LEGO colours are not nearly as varied as paint colours. The point I was trying
to make was that BL named its colours to cater to the secondary market, not to
be tied down to exactly waht LEGO designates them to be. Would it be easier for
them to be the same? Yes, but I don't think everything here has to line up
with what LEGO does because LEGO may not be doing something in the best way for
all situations. Our ability to designate things independent of LEGO is important
to withhold.
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But we're not independant of Lego anymore? Which goes back to the same argument
of being consistent with Lego names and using their references though I don't
think I have the energy to go over that same debate in this thread.
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A colour name shouldn't be tied to its purpose, hence why flesh was changed.
It wasn't changed because people were confusing colors, and it was not a
painless change. It has no relevance here.
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So I craft company that sells a paint called Daffodil Yellow should only be used
to paint flowers? I used to paint Lead figures as a kid and there were all kinds
of paints with names from Orc to human flesh. Do you think people only used those
colours for painting those types of flesh?
I accept differing opinions from people but if your going to base your argument
entirely on logic you have to expect people to counter the reasoning behind that
so called logic?
| | To offer my opinion, the change you propose is likely not to happen yet. There
just isn't a good enough reason that I can get behind and agree with, and
I imagine a lot of users feel the same way. While my store is relatively new
compared to others, I sell an equal number of LG and LBG pieces and have never
received a complaint from a confused customer. If no one in 500+ orders complained,
I feel like this is being described as more of a problem than it is. I'm
not doubting that confusion never happens, only my experience is that it doesn't.
Like I said, the resources are out there for those who need the clarification.
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Well as someone who buys and sells accross multiple platforms I can tell you
it creates immense confusion not just for me but no doubt my customers also.
To start with should I label my own stocks/inventory as per Legos Colour Names
(Medium Stone Grey) or Bricklinks (Light Bluish Grey) and then how should
I list them for sale on other sites like ebay? should I just play it safe and
call it (Light Grey) and hope that an inexpereinced parent buying for kids can
make sense of it all or should I be concerned that an expereinced buyer is going
to quiz me on the fact that I've sold them Light Bluish grey instead of the
described Light Grey? Either way it seems I already have three different reference
names in use for the same colour depending on where I'm buying or where I'm
selling, who I'm picking for or how I'm labelling my inverntory!? Not
confusing enough?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 20:58 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, GreatBuy writes:
| | Someone made a really good point above, LEGO colours are not necessarily named
entirely for ease of identification, they're named for manufacturing without
consideration for the identification by the consumer.
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I disagree with that, people will always want a specific matching colour for
a lego build etc... and the Lego Group certainly expect customers to use those
colour name references to aid finding what they need? Have you shopped for paint
before:-
https://www.dulux.co.uk/en/colour-details#tabId=item0
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I think you're overthinking this, especially the change of flesh to nougat.
When Flesh was first introduced, it was used exclusively for minifigs. Overtime
parts have been unlocked in light nougat, so the name was changed because it
made sense to change it.
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So just because the colour flesh ends up being used on other items that are non
minifig related it means the colour flesh can no longer be used to describe this
colour any longer? I have no issue with Flesh now being called Nougat but I don't
agree that this makes it a particularly more rationale and valid reason for change
at least not for the reasons you've mentioned?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 20:35 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
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You say it like there is a lot of work involved but I don't beleive this
to be the case as I've witenssed Flesh being switched to Nougat in the space
of a few moments of it being announced in the forum
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Yeah, all the time spent planning the change, then a few moments as you say,
and then hours of volunteer work making about 2000 necessary corrections in the
catalog. This stuff doesn't happen like Thanos snapping his fingers.
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Was'nt it yourself that initially requested the change from Flesh to Nougat
though yet your saying to leave the colours alone?
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My 2 cents: leave the colors alone. Our color names are not without flaws but
are better than LEGO's and if I need to cross-reference them, I can google
a color chart in no time at all. Why is this so complicated??
Jen
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It won't be complicated for those like yourself that are familiar with BL
and all the reference sites but I want every newbie customers to have zero doubt
about what they are purchasing from my store unless that is too much to ask?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 20:18 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, randyf writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
Voted no.
The grays are a difficult area because of the history behind them. We can't
just rename one set of grays without renaming the others. The easiest way to
screw everyone up is to start calling the newer grays the same names that were
just used for the older grays. It would be a huge mess.
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Not if as others have mentioned the old greys are renamed first and the newer
greys are changed however much later even if thats a whole year or so later!
| | However, there is a need to be able to use the official LEGO color names on the
site.
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If that is the intended plan of action then that would be the ideal outcome that
would supercede all the concerns I have about Bricklink colour names. If it ever
happens?
| | The way to solve this problem is to add a column to the BrickLink color table
in the database that would store the official LEGO color name alongside the BrickLink
color name. The site would then use the BrickLink color names in the catalog,
but the LEGO color names could be searched for and cross-referenced to the BrickLink
color names when necessary.
This would require the site to develop the solution and implement it, but it
should be the long-term goal of the site.
Cheers,
Randy
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 20:02 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, StormChaser writes:
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| | Either way what is it about ‘old’ in the colour names that Bricklink doesn’t
like?
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Old is an undefined word, as is new. Old as relative to what? We've run
into problems in the past using old/new as descriptors and are definitely moving
away from using those two words. They are ultimately meaningless.
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Okay and that is fine and I accept and appreciate your reasoning with regards
to why you don't like the 'old' or 'classic' tag but I will
repeat this part of that same post:-
"That aside the main focus of my attention was about giving the Bluish greys
a
more appropriate name as nobody would initially expect these to be catalogued
under bluish grey? And since they are now Legos main staple grey colours and
will probably remain so for long into the foreseeable future it stands to reason
that we should attempt to given them a more appropriate and simple description
of Light/Dark grey Obviously doing this would cause issues with the older existing
greys in the catalog hence the reason I felt the need to try and address this
issue with the 'old' tag but to be honest I wouldn’t really care what
we called them be that Yellowed Grey, Dull grey, Storm cloud Grey, because they
are not so widely/commonly used anymore in comparison to the newer established
greys"
| | For example, if TLG deliberately changes the colors of grays again, we're
stuck renaming everything again. And to what? Old LBG, New LBG, and Even Newer
LBG?
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Can you really honestly see that happening though I think its fair to say that
Lego have settled on those two light and dark grey colours now and are not likely
to set out to intentionally replace them besides any differences are likely to
be purely unintentional be that change of material like we have recently seen
with some of the trans colours or accidental like what we see with yellow
and pearl gold neither of which are cataloged separately by BL. Yes they may
well release future greys but if anything they are highly likely to be significantly
different shade to the current Light and Dark Bluish greys we have today and
if anything it will more than likely be a shade of grey that would sit smack
beween the two current bluish greys as a kind of medium grey and yes that may
be speculation on my part but you are also speculating something that may not
happen and we can only make the catalog as good as we can make it today and worry
about how to deal with future colours if and when it happens?
Either way I hope you don't mind me saying but for someone who is dead set
against the idea of using the official Lego colour names because they are too
far away from what most of us would use to describe those colours is'nt Dark
bluish grey just as bad as Bright Yellowish Green? (AKA Lime) at least the latter
is using an official Lego reference?
If we can't reference this colour in the best/most descriptive way to match
what the actual colour is i.e Dark Grey we'd be better of just calling it
what Lego call it (Dark Sone Grey)?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 18:02 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, psusaxman2000 writes:
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To your point, I do still consider myself a newbie. While I joined almost a
year ago, I'm still finding my way around here and getting familiar. That
being said, no matter if you set them to new, old, light, bright or bluish, there
is a learning curve for everyone. If you are getting into the hobby or shopping
for parts or just trying to off load your life's collection, any hobby will
have it's gotcha points. While these two colors may be the ones in question
now, the point of what to call them still would require significant work on both
maintenance and seller to adjust. Is there really that much of a need or more
of a convenience?
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To your point, why make that learning curve harder than it needs to be? A few
weeks of inconvenience are well worth the many years of convenience to be gained
besides whilst you yourself may very well take that extra time and care into
researching any colours you intend to buy or sell the same will not be for everyone
and when oversights and mistakes occur they are an inconvenince to all parties
involved wherever your the seller who just wants to sell the correct items without
having to be involved with returns/refunds or the buyer who just wants to receive
what they expected to receive?
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 17:48 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:
| | To the OP, I also don't think light bluish gray is the biggest stumbling
block for new users. Yes, it may be a small learning curve, but certainly not
the first area I would work on to make the site more user friendly. And... it
doesn't bother me as a seller anymore.
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You say it like there is a lot of work involved but I don't beleive this
to be the case as I've witenssed Flesh being switched to Nougat in the space
of a few moments of it being announced in the forum
I also appreciate it may not bother you one way or the other which is also fair
enough, yet the thing that really confuses me is that many people(not including
yourself) always get up in arms about not wanting to use official colours names
because they make no sense and don't match the colour descriptons correctly
and yet bluish grey is apparently a good descriptive match for two of the most
commonly used colours?
If you asked a newbie to separate all the Light Bluish Grey parts out of a haul
of mixed Lego I expect you'd come back to find a nice pile of Sand Blue bricks
waiting for you
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| Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 17:26 | | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, TBS writes:
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Here is SOME more silly Lego-Colour-Names:
Sand Yellow/Dark Tan
Warm Gold/Pearl Gold
Bright Bluish Green/Dark Turquoise
Earth Blue/Dark Blue
Flame Yellowish Orange/Bright Light Orange
Bright Orange/Orange
Brick Yellow/Tan
When it comes to User-friendly, one should skip this idea already.
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To understand user friendly you have to think like a newbie besides whilst you
may hate all those colour names at least they are official colour names
Dark Bluish Grey is certainly no better and yet its not even an official Lego
term?
I would'nt mind but I'm pretty much only talking about adjusting the
names of the greys not the entire colour pallete!
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