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 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
 Posted: Mar 11, 2020 15:12
 Subject: Re: Brittle Blue, How Do Ones Who Want it Find it
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 Topic: Colors
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In Colors, axaday writes:
  I have several piece of Brittle Blue set aside. I have heard some people buy
it as a curiosity, but I am not sure how they find it in the listings.

https://www.bricklink.com/search.asp?viewFrom=sa&itemBrand=0&q=brittle+blue&searchComments=Y&searchSort=P&sz=25

IF the seller lists with a comment
 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
 Posted: Mar 8, 2020 03:40
 Subject: Re: Town Hall 10224 heads, twn157
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 Topic: Inventories
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In Inventories, SylvainLS writes:
  In Inventories, monkeynut12 writes:
  So all the heads in 10224 are 3626cp01, hollow stud, EXCEPT, the bride, twn157
who has a 3626bp01 blocked open stud. Is there a reason for this, or is this
error?

Because it wouldn’t be correct to say the bride is hollow-headed?

(Yeah, I know, but the pun works better in French and I _had_ to try.)

Hmm, but is it any better to say the poor dear is block-headed?
(BTW, mine is a hollow stud version)
 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
 Posted: Feb 26, 2020 08:29
 Subject: Re: Add rejected to payment status options
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In Suggestions, WildBricks writes:
  I have found an order to be stuck in limbo land. A buyer paid with PayPal through
instant check-out, but his payment was flagged to hold because it hadn't
cleared. Then PayPal rejected his payment. Because he went through instant check-out
I cannot reset his payment status to NONE, therefore I cannot place a NPB on
the order.

I would like to see a status of REJECTED added to payments. I'm sure I'm
not the first one to have this problem.

You need to contact the help desk with this to get it set to NPB. Quote as much
of the transaction detsil as possible and add the notices from paypal as well.
Ideally BL should have picked up the mismatcb witb the unpaid BL_LIVE invoice.

However, you will not be able to change the payment method from paypal to stripe
or transfer. As far as I know, you need to cancel the order and the buyer has
to resubmit a different order for another payment method. You also cannot prevent
that specific buyer from using IC with paypal again. In the absence of those
controls, another status setting might not be of too much help.
 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
 Posted: Feb 15, 2020 05:15
 Subject: Re: Inventory "Package type" update possible?
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In Inventories, Gaston.La.Brick writes:
  I want to update all minifigs in my inventory so their package type is set to
volume bound.

They weigh very little, but due to their dimensions they don't qualify for
a small letter. Still, I get orders by users selecting small letter. So I want
to update the package type of all items in the category "minifig" to "volume
bound".
Next to that, I want to bulk update the dimensions of all minifigs in my minifig.

Are these two bulk updates (package type + dimensions) possible?

Check these messages:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1166531
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1166537
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1173628

your command line must just be S, so [INVTREATAS]S[/INVTREATAS] in the
place of the M in message https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1166531 to
mass change the setting to volume bound. Change the angle brackets as shown also.

You can mass update the dimensions in the same manner, but make your dimensions
the same for all your minifigs else you have to update every single one anyway.
See specifically message: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1173628 for
that mass update and the commands to use. Obviously you need to also change new
stock lots manually.

HTH
 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
 Posted: Feb 3, 2020 13:55
 Subject: Re: Nougat is the new Flesh -> incorrect listing!
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 Topic: Colors
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In Colors, StormChaser writes:
  In Colors, bje writes:
  If a buyer orders an item incorrectly listed as Dark Nougat, then the seller
has no leg to stand on

Dark nougat is a new and rare color, so items listed as such should be carefully
verified. That is the seller's responsibility to the buyer.

  If a buyer orders an item incorrectly listed as Earth Orange, it is site policy

An administrator gave commonsense advice for handling the integration of the
new color. That does not rise to the level of site policy.

  that it is common sense that it might be the wrong colour

It has been the wrong color since whenever these colors were added until now.
The site has made progress and you complain? How would you recommend handling
the situation? Removing all items for sale in earth orange and insisting that
every seller examine the colors before relisting them for sale?

  but since the seller listed it incorrectly, there is no assistance from site management in the event of a claim.

Again, true dark nougat parts have always been listed incorrectly. You are making
something out of nothing merely for the sake of having something to be unhappy
about.

Tetchy are we not? I did not ask you for an opinion on anything I said. I asked
a question (twice) as a paid up customer of BrickLink on something on which I
am unclear and to which not furher diection has been given other than the fact
that members who cannot understand this must use common sense. Now put your little
boxing gloves back on the shelf please. You would not begin to know what makes
me happy or unhappy. I've not said ANYTHING about the progress or lack thereof
of this site. I am not the only member who have expressed confusion about this
issue as raised by a member of site management and in fact the only current catalogue
administrator. I am tryig to get an understanding of what is meant by having
common sense and maybe/maybe not atatements applied to an agreement. That is
it, no more, no less.
 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
 Posted: Feb 3, 2020 13:11
 Subject: Re: Nougat is the new Flesh -> incorrect listing!
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 Topic: Colors
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In Colors, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Colors, StarBrick writes:
  In Colors, Admin_Russell writes:
  
I am sorry, but the only way you can really know if you have Dark Nougat is if
you collect several pieces that are unmistakably Earth Orange and then make a
comparison. It's better that you leave the listings as Earth Orange than
to list something incorrectly as Dark Nougat, because collectors will buy up
that color just to have it. And they will be disappointed if it's not really
Dark Nougat.

This is getting more bizar by the day....

We are now adviced to incorrectly list items so buyers will not be disappointed?

That must be against some basic rule here, isn't it?

If you can't distinguish between the two colors, list the items as Earth
Orange. It's the most common of the two colors, and thus less of an issue
if a buyer gets Dark Nougat instead of Earth Orange than the other way around.

This isn't bizarre, it's common sense.

See this is what I am struggling with. Maybe my understanding of what you are
trying to say throughout this thread is flawed, but I cannot grasp this at all.

If a buyer orders an item incorrectly listed as Dark Nougat, then the seller
has no leg to stand on and cannot count on any assistance from site management
in the event of a claim.
If a buyer orders an item incorrectly listed as Earth Orange, it is site policy
that it is common sense that it might be the wrong colour, but since the seller
listed it incorrectly, there is no assistance from site management in the event
of a claim.

Either way the seller remains responsible because the listing is incorrect. Unless
BL turns around and make it site policy that some items are listed incorrectly
at the behest of management and therefor absolve sellers of liability. Is it
not better common sense to include matters of site policy into the ToS instead
of an obscure forum thread which will be long forgotten by the time an issue
arises?
 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
 Posted: Feb 3, 2020 01:29
 Subject: Re: An epiphany
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In Colors, legoman77 writes:
  I just had a brilliant idea. Let's change Nougat to Flesh.
John P

Thank you, this got me thinking, why not just change all of the order status
colours to Nougat? Then the status changes might actually stick without having
to be done again, and again, and again...
 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
 Posted: Feb 2, 2020 05:36
 Subject: Re: Color Names
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In Colors, WFMTF writes:
  Please inform, why shops are not informed about color name changes?

This is more than annoying.

Waiting your answer
Waltraud

Was not important enough to warrant a seperate communication to all sellers.
Apparantly if this colour name change gives you trouble, you are not a serious
seller.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1178185
 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
 Posted: Feb 2, 2020 00:31
 Subject: Re: Nougat is the new Flesh
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In Colors, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those who may have missed this recent change, we have decided to change the
name "Flesh" to another color name in the BrickLink catalog. I'm not going
to get into the reasons why this was done - the purpose here is to inform you
of what the changes were and how they may affect your BrickLink user experience.

The changes are 5 in number:

1. Light Flesh becomes Light Nougat

2. Flesh becomes Nougat

3. Medium Dark Flesh becomes Medium Nougat

4. Dark Flesh becomes Medium Brown

5. Dark Nougat is added to the BrickLink catalog, which is currently included
with BrickLink's Earth Orange.

Changes to the color names in Item Names are forthcoming. No changes to inventories
are necessary except to give Dark Nougat a place in the system.

How this may effect you:

1. If you rely on any of BrickLink's list pages that can be sorted by color
(set inventory, catalog search, catalog item detail page, etc.) some items may
be listed in a different order.

2. If you have your physical parts inventory sorted by color, you may need to
relabel. Dark Flesh is relatively rare, but if you have it, you will need to
change the labels to Medium Brown. That's the tough one, although renaming
it to a type of brown is a big step in the right direction.

3. If you perchance have the type of Earth Orange from the early 2000's,
you should separate out these parts and relist them under Dark Nougat. This color
is retired and quite rare.

Which exact parts from which exact sets should be so relisted please? This is
not la-la land - I do not sell something I perchance have - I either have it
or I don't. I somehow cannot find an inventory which has been corrected.
Actually, just tell me which colour my
 
Part No: 4332  Name: Minifigure, Utensil Broom
* 
4332 Minifigure, Utensil Broom
Parts: Minifigure, Utensil
and
 
Part No: x219  Name: Minifigure, Hair Short, Bowl Cut
* 
x219 Minifigure, Hair Short, Bowl Cut
Parts: Minifigure, Hair
should be sold as
since I have nothing to compare them to. Thank you.

  
Thanks to our BrickLink color enthusiasts for their input. They've given
invaluable advice over the years and we're happy they were willing to give
some advice this time around as well.
 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
 Posted: Jan 24, 2020 14:24
 Subject: Re: Have A Heart
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In General, BLUSER13161 writes:
  I can't help myself from returning to this topic.

It is not right to erase people who have contributed to the catalog and turn
them into a meaningless number (and a username that rhymes with "loser.").

snip

  
BrickLink wants contributions. BrickLink wants an involved community. But when
BrickLink treats former contributors so dismissively, by erasing them into meaninglessness,
it makes me think they have no respect for contributors.

BrickLink contributors deserve better treatment than this. Anonymizing people
who have contributed to the catalog was a poor decision. It was a careless and
heartless decision.

I urge the site to reconsider the decision to anonymize any former catalog and
inventory contributors.

This is what happens when regulators (read government flunkies) pull their snouts
from the trough of public money long enough to do something. It becomes an unmitigated
RFU. The privacy and scrubbing laws exist for a reason, what some might view
as a good reason, but a reason none the less. It is easier to place the burden
on a few companies than to make all individuals behave like responsible citizens.

But I will say for this process - at the same time as scrubbing members, existing
members who have contributed should be contacted and requested to agree that,
as part of the process of contributing to the catalogue, such contributions are
acknowledged. Furthermore, members contributing, must sign a waiver allowing
BL Corp to keep using the contribution and BL's acknowledgement thereof,
for as long as the site persists. When a member closes his/her account, they
must be reminded of the waiver again and agree again as part of the process of
closing an account. Members who choose not to outlive the site, must make sure
that their wills make provision for the contributions to be acknowledged as long
as the site persists. BL must just learn to manage properly, is all. Members
must just learn to be responsible, is all.

The heartbreaking thing is that sans BL managing this, all catalogue contributions
will eventually be made by BLUSERs. So why bother at all? Just acknowledge all
contributions as by BLUSERs already or, alternatively, manage the process of
contributing and membership a bit better. You cannot do anything about the lot
who never thought to give BL their permission to outlive their usefulness, but
you can deal with the existing membership in a better manner.
 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
 Posted: Jan 24, 2020 12:58
 Subject: Re: 2FA or some other additional login security
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In Suggestions, Yo_Yo_Flamingo writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  Admin,

Please implement 2FA or some other additional login security to BrickLink account.

2FA = 2-Factor-Authentication

It could help prevent hacking or stealing of accounts and account & inventory
information.

Of course this could be set as optional on the account.

Thank you.

I could not be any more opposed to this.

+1^google*1^google
Enough said
 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
 Posted: Jan 23, 2020 12:09
 Subject: Re: multiple shipping addresses ?
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In Suggestions, Rarah writes:
  Is it possible to create 2 addresses that I can always choose from when completing
an order? I have one address in Slovakia for most orders and one in Czech Republic
for CZ orders. Now the only way around is to simply edit my address and after
order placed change it back. because some stores have automated payment for shipping
and if I don´t change the country i don´t get the right options. I know people
in US will probably not understand why I need something but specifically for
people in SK/CZ many people have address in both countries to optimize shipping
cost etc. It´s from the past but that country difference makes me save 7 EUR
on shipping when I instead of 9€ pay just 2€.

Not possible, despite it making complete sense. In fact on every webstore I've
used I get a billing and delivery address, even the certified store has that
here so it is nothing strange.

You will have to continue changing the address here every time
https://www.bricklink.com/pref_address.asp

I do not think sellers can see your history any longer so it is just inconvenient.
I've had 21 of them since September last year
 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
 Posted: Jan 7, 2020 10:29
 Subject: Re: New Payment Method
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In Suggestions, LaygoAdelaide writes:
  Would it be possible to add another payment method.
Afterpay
Zip Pay
or at least have a blank one so that we can input our own custom method.

+1^google
Actually add a few blank ones, make it country specific with country specific
shipping methods and allow for direct QR codes and links. Or better yet - just
allow sellers in countries other than the USA to also use payment methods that
are relevant to their own circumstances even if it is miles ahead of what is
avaialable in the USA. If we can have onsite payments for paypal and stripe,
there should be no earthly reason for other methods not to be enabled as well.
 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
 Posted: Jan 6, 2020 16:11
 Subject: Re: Instructions Dimensions -- way off?
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In Catalog, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
  On My Inventory the dimensions for set
 
Set No: 7965  Name: Millennium Falcon
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7965-1 (Inv) Millennium Falcon
1229 Parts, 6 Minifigures, 2011
Sets: Star Wars: Star Wars Episode 4/5/6
are 582mm x 378mm. Which is
the size of the Box itself (!)

How were these dimensions populated and what can I do to remove them altogether
(not just one by one)?

(Or better yet to mass-set the dimensions correctly.)

Thanhk you again.

LOL me again, and thank you for alerting me to this as well as I went back and
checked mine saw some of them had a base thickness of 1cm - this is wrong. Research
cap on and lo behold - I think there are still a few of these floating about:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1063022

So that gets to the how it is populated. How to mass change it is another matter
altogether. Would you just want to change the thickness or do you want actual
dimensions? For actual dimensions you are going to have to measure each and every
one which still has the z dimension set to 10mm or 0mm. There is no way to simply
check this you have to check your entire inventory manually as there is no tool
to search the packing dimensions of items in your inventory. I'm not quite
sure if you can mass change the dimensions for your inventory - are they not
all different? Setting them all to manual for the time being, would be the same
method as in that other thread, except now you go M for Manual.

To mass change the dimensions:
For an item which you want to change the dimensions to say dim X, dim Y, dim
Z to 180 x 38 x 28 mm
Use the find and replace method in this message:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1166531
You make the file as you would upload it and add the lines as follows: (put angle
brackets where I have now got square brackets)

[INVDIMX]180[/INVDIMX]
[INVDIMY]38[/INVDIMY]
[INVDIMZ]28[/INVDIMZ]

As I noted - you anyway have to punch in values for each one. It might be easier
to set them all to manual, have some unfortunae soul sit with a caliper for a
day and ask for mass update on this topic:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1059042
then reset your invetory again. It normally takes about a day for these to be
fixed, but since Russell is the only doing all of this now, I would suggest giving
a bit of extra time.

I'm also going to apologise here, I've never thought of checking those
dmension when I submit items for the catalogue. My bad. I will make a big fat
note to fix this oversight on my part, thank you again for pointing me in the
right direction.

HTH
 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
 Posted: Jan 6, 2020 11:23
 Subject: Re: Analysts Ruin Everything
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In Problem, calsbricks writes:
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BTW did you see the article 62bricks published the other day about the use of
My Pictures in your terms page. It works and I will be improving mine shortly.

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1173080

Thanks for that link Bill, we had national electricity and data issues again
over the weekend, so I am still playing catch-up. I took a very quick look at
that now and it looks like I will be able to make this work for my terms pages
and get rid of hosted images. I will try it for invoices as well.
 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
 Posted: Jan 6, 2020 10:42
 Subject: Re: Analysts Ruin Everything
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In Problem, StormChaser writes:
  In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  The catalogue is a different animal and needs a huge amount of thought.

  Lets get behind hiring some senior analysts

I refuse to get behind, in front of, beside, over, or under this in any way until
someone can demonstrate that we, as a community, are incapable of catalog construction
and maintenance.

I really hope you are not offended by this, but with the greatest of respect,
you yourself walked away from this very idea that it should be a community thing.
I think every project you had in place to start, has been on hold for all of
the time you've not been here. And those were to a large extent also cosmetic
as it cannot change the true nature of the catalogue or inventory on here as
the one is maintained with a view to manage a library and the other is done with
a view to manage auction lots.

Analysts are paid to do a job, they have measurable outcomes against a set of
pre-defined goals and they can be held to account. Community based jobbing, on
the other hand, comes to a screeching halt everytime something happens which
somebody somewhere has got some or other issue with. I will not get behind a
community based improvement again until such time as as we can be sure that the
involvement of members do not lead to the improvements being derailed because
of issues beyond the control of the very members who are trying to make the changes.
  
For 20 years the community has managed the catalog without the help of senior
or junior or any other kinds of analysts. We haven't done things perfectly,
but we have the potential to do much better with member involvement and the support
of management.

I agree that members should be involved, but the process of how to manage that
involvement is what is important. The idea that the catalogue is the be all and
end all, is one side of the coin only. Sellers sell lots, and no inventory management
can be efficiently done on site for as long as the disconnect between the catalogue
and stores exist. For that to happen, it will require community involvement,
but more importantly, it would require a major rethink of how things are done
from the ground up - which is precisely why measurable and responsible management
of input is required, thus analysts.
 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
 Posted: Dec 27, 2019 16:00
 Subject: Re: Please approve
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In Catalog, axaday writes:
  Would it be possible to get a mid-level catalog stage where things that had not
been officially released were not bought and sold, but catalog work could be
done in a sandbox?

How would you do that, since new parts in the set are also not be released, and
neither the minifigures? Maybe I've got the idea wrong, but I fail to see
how it would policy to only approve new sets once released and then allow minifigures
which is not part of any set to be bought and sold. I know the policy prior to
the new ToS was for sets not yet officially released to be dealt with in this
manner, but since the new ToS also prohibts the sale of anything not officially
releaaed by TLG, I still have to wonder about the contents of a set, and what
purpose it would serve to actually add anything prior to the set in which it
appears, being approved.

I will anyway do a few and see how this works. Besides, from what I can gather,
Russell is now the only one actually doing anything on the catalogue, so there
is probably a time issue as well.
 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
 Posted: Dec 27, 2019 13:06
 Subject: Re: Please approve
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In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, Leftoverbricks writes:
  
  
Just to be clear, all admins are inactive until the new Community Experts Program
is put in place. This does NOT mean they will be inactive in the near future.


Meaning that we have to wait until TLG takes action to do what?
This sounds a bit unclear for me. Can you provide a bit more detail on this?

Us admins know about as much as you do. We have been told for about a month now
that paperwork would be forthcoming that we would need to sign. Some kind of
legal agreements, I assume. We have not seen anything yet. Then, all of us were
asked to stop all work as of December 17 with no warning or explanation why we
couldn’t do anything. We don’t know when we will be able to do anything again.

Cheers,
Randy

P.S. I am on vacation anyways right now, but I was hoping to do things when I
returned.

You mean you went from being admin to
 
Part No: 31219pb02  Name: Duplo, Plant Mushroom, 2 x 2 Base with Yellow Geometric Pattern
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31219pb02 Duplo, Plant Mushroom, 2 x 2 Base with Yellow Geometric Pattern
Parts: DUPLO, Plant
 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
 Posted: Dec 27, 2019 10:24
 Subject: Re: Please approve
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In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
  In Catalog, bje writes:
  In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
  Yesterday were offcialy released some new 2020 sets. They are available to buy
from offcial LEGO web shop in Europe.
https://brickset.com/article/47982/[uk-eu]-sale-now-on-at-lego-com


Snip

Do you not approve these yourself, or are you not expert enough? They've
been on sale at certified LEGO stores since yesterday here as well.

I'm not allow to do it anymore.

When I did not see these approved yesterday, I thought you were on holiday
Sorry to hear that you are not allowed for this any longer, you were quite on
the ball as it were. Hopefully we do not all have to wait for US releases, that
would be quite painful.

Are we sure that inventories can be loaded up for these new sets as TLG have
not released the inventories or the instructions for any of those I've
got? Or do we not have to wait for official release of inventries, unlike the
sets?

By the way - what is the position with parts - when is it confirmed that TLG
has officially released it?
  

  
  
P.S.
I would like to submit new inventories for SW sets

ditto for some friendsm, city, technic....
 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
 Posted: Dec 27, 2019 10:12
 Subject: Re: Please approve
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In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
  Yesterday were offcialy released some new 2020 sets. They are available to buy
from offcial LEGO web shop in Europe.
https://brickset.com/article/47982/[uk-eu]-sale-now-on-at-lego-com


Snip

Do you not approve these yourself, or are you not expert enough? They've
been on sale at certified LEGO stores since yesterday here as well.

  
P.S.
I would like to submit new inventories for SW sets

ditto for some friendsm, city, technic....
 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
 Posted: Dec 21, 2019 01:48
 Subject: Re: Another Test
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In Inventories, bje writes:
  In Inventories, StormChaser writes:
  I enjoyed the first test so much that I've made another.

I inventoried this set just over a year ago:

 
Set No: 4199  Name: FreeStyle Bucket #2
* 
4199-1 (Inv) FreeStyle Bucket #2
402 Parts, 1996
Sets: FreeStyle

There is an uncorrected error in the inventory. The error stems from unwritten
(but rather commonsense) policy related to either the catalog or inventories.
What is the error and what is the unwritten policy?

First person to correctly reply wins. As usual, there will be no prize.

The flowers? [p=3742c01] since presumably the build and the instructions only
show the use of 3 of the 4 on the sprue, the remainder being an extra? I don't
think I have ever seen a set use all 4 of those on the sprue.

Grin, too early in the morning here, should have read properly. Nice photo by
the way, the scenery is the prize
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In Inventories, StormChaser writes:
  I enjoyed the first test so much that I've made another.

I inventoried this set just over a year ago:

 
Set No: 4199  Name: FreeStyle Bucket #2
* 
4199-1 (Inv) FreeStyle Bucket #2
402 Parts, 1996
Sets: FreeStyle

There is an uncorrected error in the inventory. The error stems from unwritten
(but rather commonsense) policy related to either the catalog or inventories.
What is the error and what is the unwritten policy?

First person to correctly reply wins. As usual, there will be no prize.

The flowers? [p=3742c01] since presumably the build and the instructions only
show the use of 3 of the 4 on the sprue, the remainder being an extra? I don't
think I have ever seen a set use all 4 of those on the sprue.
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In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
  In Inventories Requests, yorbrick writes:
  So if he was a figure, would that all be the accessory?

Thanks, I believe I catch your drift.

Bad idea on my part. Like I said in a different reply, either someone comes
up with a better idea or we carry on the way we're going now. I guess things
aren't all bad - just frustrating, confusing, and inconsistent at times.
I'm certain there must be a better way of doing things.

Ideas are just that - ideas, the more we have of them the better because it can
lead to improvements. What if nobody ever had the idea of a marketplace for LEGO
parts?

You might want to take a look at fishbase.org
Not only for the structure but also for definitions and the search page.
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In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
  In Inventories Requests, bje writes:
  You have still not defined what a minifigure is.

We have to get away from that. But no, I haven't defined what a figure is.
I'm only concerned at the moment with inventories because that's what
we're discussing. Yes, I absolutely agree that the definition of a figure
must be created - currently there is none.

You cannot get away from it because it is the very definition which will tell
you what must be inventoried and what not. How would you inventory a set if you
do not know what to include as minifigures? This is not a chicken and egg situation.
The inventory can only come into existence if the item to be inventoried exists.
See all inventory change requests for sets with Zobo the Robot.

I get you just want to create a standard for how to inventory the thing that
is on the list right now. I'm sure when zoologists started with taxanomy
the idea was to just say everything is an animal. Had they done that, it would
have made it very difficult to find smaller subsets of data or to add new discoveries.
These are not random parts - an assembly has to be precise in order for it to
be listed and sold. The assembly, definition, image, inventory, parts and weight
must all tie together in one complete whole, else some listings will be incomplete
and some not. And while we want inventories to be correct, they must be correct
to be sold, viewed, searched, listed and bought, not be inventoried for the sake
of having an inventory.
  

  I would not like to break minifigures now listed in my store because I cannot find all of the accessories required to now suddenly supply them as they are in the instructions or in set images with all hand accessories etc.

Ah, but my clever mind has already solved that problem. Read my solution here:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1170351

I did read that solution. If you think that the average buyer is going to look
at a minifigure and decide that it is complete based on its year of release -
I wish you good luck. If a buyer comes to this site with the specific intention
of buying x number of complete minifigures, the date might be a lost on him.
Also, some minifugures are re-released, so you might end up with a situation
where you have minifigures tied to a specific set because of a release date.
  
  Also what do you with the rest of the stickersheet
once you have now taken the one off to sell your minifigure as complete?

As was pointed out, the standard way that has been done for years is to include
a plain figure in the inventory and a stickered figure as a counterpart. Won't
cause any problems.

Granted, but my reading was not that couterparts will be allowed for stickered
torso assemblies.

  
  Also as regards full assemblies, you
might want to revisit the MBA figures as a startting point for some of the difficulties
to be encountered.

I was referring to torso/leg assemblies as shown in the current policies. If
you have an example of where the proposed policy would break down, please post
a macro tag.

And to answer a couple of people who asked: yes, this would include handheld
accessories. All accessories. But only going forward. Again, see my latest
message above.

So a battle droid with all of its accessories would include ammunition, because
the battle idea might not really come to fruition without ammunition? Meaning
this part:
 
Part No: 20105c01  Name: Minifigure, Weapon Crossbow with Mini Blaster / Shooter with Dark Bluish Gray Trigger (20105 / 15392)
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20105c01 (Inv) Minifigure, Weapon Crossbow with Mini Blaster / Shooter with Dark Bluish Gray Trigger (20105 / 15392)
Parts: Minifigure, Weapon
must in future also be included for minifigures with the tiles or
round plates required to make up the full minifigure, and of course you will
need more parts - one for the crossbow assembly which takes 1x1 plates and one
for the assembly which take tiles. I do not think that new parts should be added
in this manner to fix a date issue. Other members might disagree, but I do not
think that catalogues should be structured in a manner where you create inconsistent
approaches based on an arbitrary date.
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Wow, you manged to do this in less than 30 minutes! Man I can't even type
that fast

You have still not defined what a minifigure is. It is not good enough to say
it must consist of a bunch of parts put together from an instruction manual.
In that manner a wheel assembly can also be a minifigure. I am not very keen
on droids and robots as minifigures, but I understand the reason for including
those as such.

What you are trying to do is to say that if a thing has two eyes and a mouth
it is a fish, so everything with two eyes and a mouth must now have all of the
parts of a fish. Then all fishes will be correctly inventoried. Not. A mammal
is not a fish, even though some mammals can have two eyes and a mouth (and fins),
you therefor cannot inventory a mammal as a fish and vice versa. So a droid might
have different catalogue needs as opposed to a mini-doll. A droid might have
different accessories etc. I still do not think that hair accessories are any
different to hand accessories. Does something with a head and a bow or a tiara
represent a minifigure? Could well be since the current definition of mini-dolls
says the bow forms part of a figure and must be inventoried as such. So when
the bow is attached to a dog, does the dog not now become a figure in those terms
and must it be inventoried, especially since TLG gave it a name and made it a
character as opposed to a part?

There are other examples - tea pots spring to mind. I would not like to break
minifigures now listed in my store because I cannot find all of the accessories
required to now suddenly supply them as they are in the instructions or in set
images with all hand accessories etc. Also what do you with the rest of the stickersheet
once you have now taken the one off to sell your minifigure as complete? I think
also you will be hard pressed to find stickered assembleis as new parts. So will
a stickered torso now be part of a used minifigure or is it new? Or better yet,
would you now part out stickersheets into individual stickers as well? Again,
just because it has two eyes and a mouth, don't make it a fish.

This needs some thinking before tinkering. My store will not be able to cope
with some of the changes mentioned here. Also as regards full assemblies, you
might want to revisit the MBA figures as a startting point for some of the difficulties
to be encountered.

In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
  In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
  If it were me, I think at this point I'd choose the everything-shown-in-set-instructions
approach

I decided to give writing such a policy a shot, just to see what it would look
like. Here is current policy for anyone unfamiliar with it. It consists of
404 words:

•No Hand-Held Accessories - The inventory should only include minifigures
as they came in an official LEGO set without any hand-held accessories. If the
picture of a minifigure in the catalog does include hand-held accessories, please
consider Adding an Image without hand-held accessories.

•No Extra Items - The inventory should only include those items that are needed
to build the minifigure according to the building instructions. Any extra minifigure
parts, such as visors, should be included in the Extra Items section of the set
inventory.

•No Alternate Items - Minifigure inventories do not allow for alternate items
such as the variations in the head stud type. If the variation is significant,
consider adding a new minifigure to the catalog, but it is at the discretion
of the Catalog Administrators whether it is accepted. If the variation occurs
a significant amount of the time, then consider submitting a change request to
the minifigure inventory; acceptance of any inventory change request is at the
discretion of the Inventory Administrators.

•Headgear - Always include Headgear and any removable Headgear Accessories as
shown in the appropriate assembly instructions for the minifigure.

•Torsos, Arms and Hands - Minifigure inventories should contain the complete
torso, arms and hands assembly. Use only torsos from the Minifig, Torso Assembly
category. If an entry is not found, then please go to the Add Item to Catalog
page and add it under that category. Then, if possible, Add an Image. Only torso
assemblies as they came in an official LEGO set should be added to the catalog.
A minifigure with a stickered torso should have a stickered torso (not a plain
torso) in its inventory.

•Legs and Hips - Minifigure inventories should contain the complete hips and
legs assembly, not one entry for the hips and 2 entries for each leg. Use only
the legs from the Minifig, Legs Assembly category. If an entry is not found,
then please go to the Add Item to Catalog page and add it under that category.
Then, if possible, Add an Image. When the hips and both legs are all the same
color, use the 970c00 Hips and Legs assembly

•Neck/Body Wear and Footgear - Always include any Neck/Body Wear/Footgear as
shown in the appropriate assembly instructions for the minifigure. Skis and surfboards
are not considered footgear and should not be included. Items that come on sprues
are to be listed as individual parts in minifigure inventories.




Here is my revision that consists of 161 words, or less than half of the current
wording:

•Figure inventories should include all items shown in the complete figure
assembly in the set instructions, including any accessories. In the absence
of instructions, other sources such as set packaging may be used to determine
the inventory.

•Extra Items - Extra parts, such as visors, should be included as extras in the
set inventory.

•Alternate Items - Figure inventories cannot include alternate items such as
variations in the head stud type. If the variation is significant, submit a new
figure to the catalog. If the variation occurs a significant amount of the time,
submit a change request for the figure inventory.

•Assemblies - Include all assemblies as originally assembled in a new set unless
assembled for display purposes.

•Stickered Parts - A figure with a sticker applied should have the stickered
part in its inventory.

•Sprues and Multipacks - Items on sprues or in multipacks are included as individual
parts in figure inventories, with the remaining parts in the set inventory.

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