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Author:  SezaR  Posted:  May 30, 2018 03:14  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7745-1  Viewed:  29 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

In his last few seconds in 2018, he gave me a hint to resolve the long-standing problem of yellow cones of 7730. In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    In my case, somebody travelled to present: In my conversation with a Danish manager of TLG responsible for marketing, I shared my pain and suffering in submitting inventory change requests and all Post-traumatic stress disorders I have had, he gave me few hints to ease these requests. Unfortunately, the time was short as he quickly moved into the year 2047. But I understood that the instructions of 7745 have two versions. The version of 1985: Id number 120419 comes with the wire 765c28 The version of (1986? or 1988?): Id number 120620 comes with the wire 2776c28 See photo attached In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:    In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    You don't believe in time machine, do you? I will believe in anything at all, no matter how outlandish, provided that there is sufficient evidence for its existence. In the case of a time machine, the evidence would need to be very strong indeed to cause me to admit its existence. Unfortunately, there is no evidence whatsoever for the existence of a method or machine for travelling to the past. Further, the likelihood of there being such a machine in the future is slim, because we do not seem to be visited by time travelers in our present. There is, however, a solid method for travelling into the future more quickly than one's peers. One must only accelerate to a significant fraction of light speed for a reasonable amount of time. I plan on attempting it one day and will advise your great-great-great-grandchildren of my results. If you'd like, I'll even take them a used 1980s LEGO train set purchased from eBay.

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  May 30, 2018 02:52  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7745-1  Viewed:  49 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

In my case, somebody travelled to present: In my conversation with a Danish manager of TLG responsible for marketing, I shared my pain and suffering in submitting inventory change requests and all Post-traumatic stress disorders I have had, he gave me few hints to ease these requests. Unfortunately, the time was short as he quickly moved into the year 2047. But I understood that the instructions of 7745 have two versions. The version of 1985: Id number 120419 comes with the wire 765c28 The version of (1986? or 1988?): Id number 120620 comes with the wire 2776c28 See photo attached In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:    In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    You don't believe in time machine, do you? I will believe in anything at all, no matter how outlandish, provided that there is sufficient evidence for its existence. In the case of a time machine, the evidence would need to be very strong indeed to cause me to admit its existence. Unfortunately, there is no evidence whatsoever for the existence of a method or machine for travelling to the past. Further, the likelihood of there being such a machine in the future is slim, because we do not seem to be visited by time travelers in our present. There is, however, a solid method for travelling into the future more quickly than one's peers. One must only accelerate to a significant fraction of light speed for a reasonable amount of time. I plan on attempting it one day and will advise your great-great-great-grandchildren of my results. If you'd like, I'll even take them a used 1980s LEGO train set purchased from eBay.

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  May 30, 2018 02:18  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7745-1  Viewed:  23 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

Even if the photo was conclusive, how would you be sure that the wire belonged to this set? the wires and larger parts were not sealed in plastic bags. And your mistake was that you chose the wrong type of evidence otherwise you would have obtained a reliable evidence Admin has the choice to obtain any of the following types of evidence:    1) Photos of several used sets; 2) Photos of a sealed set; 3) Since last time, the submitter of this inventory change found a time machine and used it to discuss this change of part with few managers of TLG in 1986. They provide him a special type of evidence, leaving no doubt to admin of bricklink. You don't believe in time machine, do you? In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:    In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    Admin has the choice to obtain any of the following types of evidence: 2) Photos of a sealed set; Unfortunately, the photo you posted is inconclusive and provides no evidence for the request. However, I have looked at the totality of the circumstances regarding this part's appearance and have approved the request to add it as alternate.

Author:  StormChaser  Posted:  May 30, 2018 02:15  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 5061-1  Viewed:  19 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    I have to add the wires first. If I add a gray wire of length X, do I also need to add a white one of length X or I only need to add another photo of the white one? If the wires are the same length, then only one catalog entry is necessary. One catalog entry can be used for a wire of a specific length in any color in which it appears.

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  May 30, 2018 02:12  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 5061-1  Viewed:  16 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

I have to add the wires first. If I add a gray wire of length X, do I also need to add a white one of length X or I only need to add another photo of the white one? In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:    In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    Please make changes to the following inventory:   *  5061-1 (Inv) Connector Leads, 75cm and 25cm 2 Parts, 1987 Sets: Service Packs: Train I have approved your requests. Please submit inventories for the two parts which come in this set so that the appearance of the connectors is not lost from the catalog.

Author:  elias3  Posted:  May 27, 2018 07:01  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 5061-1  Viewed:  17 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    I have never seen the wire   *  766c94 Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with two 2-prong connectors, 94 Studs Long Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector It doesn't have even a photo. I am in contact with its submitter and will ask about it. It should be a mistake which caused other sellers to add that to their inventory in place of the one if 96cm. Maybe they meant by 94cm the length of wire (which is indeed 94cm)? In Inventories Requests, paulvdb writes:    In Inventories Requests, elias3 writes:    In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    Two of what? In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:    In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    * Add 1 Part 2776c28 Light Gray Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 male Squared Narrow Short connectors, 28 Studs Long It looks to me like there are two of these in the package. Are you sure about just adding one? Hi Your request was to remove all items but there are 2 cables (2 diff. types) in this set, one 28L and 75L 1x   *  2776c28 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 28 Studs (22cm) Long with 2 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 2-Way Male Squared Narrow Short Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector and 1x [p=766c75] but this one is not yet in the catalog Stefaan The name of the set says 75cm so that would be around 94 studs.   *  766c94 Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with two 2-prong connectors, 94 Studs Long Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector or maybe   *  766c96 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 96 Studs Long with 2 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 2-Way Male Squared Narrow Long with Center Post (x466c96 / 766c01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector depending on how accurate that 75cm is. Hi on this website we have http://studs.sariel.pl/ 25cm = 31.25 studs 75cm = 93.75 studs about 94 studs Stefaan

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  May 27, 2018 05:10  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 5061-1  Viewed:  22 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

I have never seen the wire   *  766c94 Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with two 2-prong connectors, 94 Studs Long Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector It doesn't have even a photo. I am in contact with its submitter and will ask about it. It should be a mistake which caused other sellers to add that to their inventory in place of the one if 96cm. Maybe they meant by 94cm the length of wire (which is indeed 94cm)? In Inventories Requests, paulvdb writes:    In Inventories Requests, elias3 writes:    In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    Two of what? In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:    In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    * Add 1 Part 2776c28 Light Gray Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 male Squared Narrow Short connectors, 28 Studs Long It looks to me like there are two of these in the package. Are you sure about just adding one? Hi Your request was to remove all items but there are 2 cables (2 diff. types) in this set, one 28L and 75L 1x   *  2776c28 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 28 Studs (22cm) Long with 2 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 2-Way Male Squared Narrow Short Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector and 1x [p=766c75] but this one is not yet in the catalog Stefaan The name of the set says 75cm so that would be around 94 studs.   *  766c94 Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with two 2-prong connectors, 94 Studs Long Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector or maybe   *  766c96 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 96 Studs Long with 2 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 2-Way Male Squared Narrow Long with Center Post (x466c96 / 766c01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector depending on how accurate that 75cm is.

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  May 27, 2018 05:08  Subject:  Inventory Change Request for Set 5061-1  Viewed:  20 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests (Entry)  Status: Open View Cancel Reply

Please make changes to the following inventory:   *  5061-1 (Inv) Connector Leads, 75cm and 25cm 2 Parts, 1987 Sets: Service Packs: Train * Add 1 Part 766c96 Light Gray Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with two 2-prong connectors, 96 Studs Long * Delete 2 Part 766c01 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 2 Way male Squared Narrow Long - Complete Assembly

Author:  paulvdb  Posted:  May 27, 2018 04:53  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 5061-1  Viewed:  17 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

In Inventories Requests, elias3 writes:    In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    Two of what? In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:    In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    * Add 1 Part 2776c28 Light Gray Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 male Squared Narrow Short connectors, 28 Studs Long It looks to me like there are two of these in the package. Are you sure about just adding one? Hi Your request was to remove all items but there are 2 cables (2 diff. types) in this set, one 28L and 75L 1x   *  2776c28 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 28 Studs (22cm) Long with 2 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 2-Way Male Squared Narrow Short Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector and 1x [p=766c75] but this one is not yet in the catalog Stefaan The name of the set says 75cm so that would be around 94 studs.   *  766c94 Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with two 2-prong connectors, 94 Studs Long Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector or maybe   *  766c96 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 96 Studs Long with 2 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 2-Way Male Squared Narrow Long with Center Post (x466c96 / 766c01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector depending on how accurate that 75cm is.

Author:  elias3  Posted:  May 27, 2018 04:33  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 5061-1  Viewed:  22 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    Two of what? In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:    In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    * Add 1 Part 2776c28 Light Gray Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 male Squared Narrow Short connectors, 28 Studs Long It looks to me like there are two of these in the package. Are you sure about just adding one? Hi Your request was to remove all items but there are 2 cables (2 diff. types) in this set, one 28L and 75L 1x   *  2776c28 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 28 Studs (22cm) Long with 2 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 2-Way Male Squared Narrow Short Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector and 1x [p=766c75] but this one is not yet in the catalog Stefaan

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  May 27, 2018 03:31  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 5061-1  Viewed:  21 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

Two of what? In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:    In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    * Add 1 Part 2776c28 Light Gray Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 male Squared Narrow Short connectors, 28 Studs Long It looks to me like there are two of these in the package. Are you sure about just adding one?

Author:  StormChaser  Posted:  May 27, 2018 02:45  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 5061-1  Viewed:  19 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    * Add 1 Part 2776c28 Light Gray Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 male Squared Narrow Short connectors, 28 Studs Long It looks to me like there are two of these in the package. Are you sure about just adding one?

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  May 25, 2018 17:43  Subject:  Inventory Change Request for Set 5061-1  Viewed:  33 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests (Entry)  Status: Open View Cancel Reply

Please make changes to the following inventory:   *  5061-1 (Inv) Connector Leads, 75cm and 25cm 2 Parts, 1987 Sets: Service Packs: Train * Delete 2 Part 2776c01 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 2 Way male Squared Narrow Short - Complete Assembly * Delete 2 Part x466 Light Gray Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with two Leads, unspecified length * Add 1 Part 2776c28 Light Gray Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 male Squared Narrow Short connectors, 28 Studs Long Comments from Submitter: It came assembled.

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  May 21, 2018 01:46  Subject:  Inventory Change Request for Set 7745-1  Viewed:  51 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests (Entry)  Status: Open View Cancel Reply

Please make changes to the following inventory:   *  7745-1 (Inv) High-Speed City Express Passenger Train 695 Parts, 10 Minifigures, 1985 Sets: Train: 12V * Add 1 Part 2776c28 Light Gray Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 male Squared Narrow Short connectors, 28 Studs Long (Alternate) (match ID 4) * Change 1 Part Light Gray 765c28 Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with four 1-prong connectors, 28 Studs Long {match ID 0 to 4} Comments from Submitter: Admin has the choice to obtain any of the following types of evidence: 1) Photos of several used sets; 2) Photos of a sealed set; 3) Since last time, the submitter of this inventory change found a travel machine and used it to discuss this change of part with few managers of TLG in 1986. They provide him a special type of evidence, leaving no doubt to admin of bricklink.

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  May 1, 2018 00:27  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 138-1  Viewed:  15 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    Please make changes to the following inventory:   *  138-1 (Inv) Electronic Train 113 Parts, 1969 Sets: Train: 4.5V * Add 1 Part x466c96blue White Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with two Blue 2-prong connectors, Hollow Pins, 96 Studs Long

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  May 1, 2018 00:26  Subject:  Inventory Change Request for Set 138-1  Viewed:  26 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests (Entry)  Status: Open View Cancel Reply

Please make changes to the following inventory:   *  138-1 (Inv) Electronic Train 113 Parts, 1969 Sets: Train: 4.5V * Add 1 Part x466c96blue White Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with two Blue 2-prong connectors, Hollow Pins, 96 Studs Long

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  Apr 29, 2018 02:07  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7735-1  Viewed:  26 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

On Feb 23, 2018, user [p=go4bob] submitted an inventory change request for this set 7735. He informed me that he had this set since 80s and kept it in original condition. So, I requested him to give more information about some other parts on his copy. Here are what is needed here: - Motor type 3, dated 48 5 (late 1985) - Came with 3241c (not with 2731a or 2731b) - the bricks 3002 and 3003 are the old type, therefore 3002old and 3003old - all the 4 black hinges are of hollow studs I requested to remove 3002 and 3003 because we do not have any evidence to keep them as alternate. Photos 1 and 2 come from the same copy of 7735 that belongs to Bluxe. We can see one yellow 3003old and the motor is of type 3 so before 1989. Photos 3, 4 and 5 are from another sealed set in which we can see one yellow brick 3003old. This proves that 3003old was used even in (at least) 1989 or later. In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    Please make changes to the following inventory:   *  7735-1 (Inv) Freight Train 492 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 1985 Sets: Train: 12V * Add 1 Part 117983a (Not Applicable) Paper, Information Note, Special Suppressor Rail - 117983 (match ID 2) * Add 1 Part 3241c Light Gray Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved, interference-free (match ID 2) * Add 1 Part 2731b Light Gray Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved with Connection Wire and Long Connector (match ID 2) * Delete 2 Part 3003 Red Brick 2 x 2 * Add 2 Part 3003old Red Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports * Delete 2 Part 3003 Yellow Brick 2 x 2 * Add 2 Part 3003old Yellow Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports * Delete 1 Part 3002 Yellow Brick 2 x 3 * Add 1 Part 3002old Yellow Brick 2 x 3 without Cross Supports * Delete 2 Part 4276a Black Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers and Solid Studs * Add 2 Part 4276 Black Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers * Delete 2 Part 4275a Black Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers and Solid Studs * Add 2 Part 4275 Black Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers * Change 1 Part (Not Applicable) 117983b Paper, Information Note, Special Suppressor Rail with Wire and Connector - 117983 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 2} * Change 1 Part Light Gray 2731a Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved with Connection Wire and Short Connector {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 2}

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  Apr 29, 2018 01:41  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7735-1  Viewed:  23 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

For discussion of 3241c, 2731a and 2731b, see https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=235359 In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    Please make changes to the following inventory:   *  7735-1 (Inv) Freight Train 492 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 1985 Sets: Train: 12V * Add 1 Part 117983a (Not Applicable) Paper, Information Note, Special Suppressor Rail - 117983 (match ID 2) * Add 1 Part 3241c Light Gray Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved, interference-free (match ID 2) * Add 1 Part 2731b Light Gray Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved with Connection Wire and Long Connector (match ID 2) * Delete 2 Part 3003 Red Brick 2 x 2 * Add 2 Part 3003old Red Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports * Delete 2 Part 3003 Yellow Brick 2 x 2 * Add 2 Part 3003old Yellow Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports * Delete 1 Part 3002 Yellow Brick 2 x 3 * Add 1 Part 3002old Yellow Brick 2 x 3 without Cross Supports * Delete 2 Part 4276a Black Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers and Solid Studs * Add 2 Part 4276 Black Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers * Delete 2 Part 4275a Black Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers and Solid Studs * Add 2 Part 4275 Black Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers * Change 1 Part (Not Applicable) 117983b Paper, Information Note, Special Suppressor Rail with Wire and Connector - 117983 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 2} * Change 1 Part Light Gray 2731a Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved with Connection Wire and Short Connector {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 2}

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  Apr 29, 2018 01:37  Subject:  Inventory Change Request for Set 7735-1  Viewed:  31 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests (Entry)  Status: Open View Cancel Reply

Please make changes to the following inventory:   *  7735-1 (Inv) Freight Train 492 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 1985 Sets: Train: 12V * Add 1 Part 117983a (Not Applicable) Paper, Information Note, Special Suppressor Rail - 117983 (match ID 2) * Add 1 Part 3241c Light Gray Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved, interference-free (match ID 2) * Add 1 Part 2731b Light Gray Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved with Connection Wire and Long Connector (match ID 2) * Delete 2 Part 3003 Red Brick 2 x 2 * Add 2 Part 3003old Red Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports * Delete 2 Part 3003 Yellow Brick 2 x 2 * Add 2 Part 3003old Yellow Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports * Delete 1 Part 3002 Yellow Brick 2 x 3 * Add 1 Part 3002old Yellow Brick 2 x 3 without Cross Supports * Delete 2 Part 4276a Black Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers and Solid Studs * Add 2 Part 4276 Black Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers * Delete 2 Part 4275a Black Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers and Solid Studs * Add 2 Part 4275 Black Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers * Change 1 Part (Not Applicable) 117983b Paper, Information Note, Special Suppressor Rail with Wire and Connector - 117983 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 2} * Change 1 Part Light Gray 2731a Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved with Connection Wire and Short Connector {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 2}

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  Apr 27, 2018 03:56  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7745-1  Viewed:  25 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

Dear Robert, Some time ago, I applied to add black hinges as alternative to 7735. My request was immadiately rejected and then, many messages were sent or replied, if you remember. Note that both sets 7735 and 7745 were released between 1985-90. At the time, I believed the hinges with hollow studs were produced since 1985 but didn't have any proof. Here we have a proof for 7745. May I now request to add hinges with hollow studs as regular to 7735? Note that the user go4bob have had kept this set since 80s based on which he submitted an inventory change request on Feb 23. I contacted him and he confirmed that his trains 7735 comes with hinges with hollow studs. Here is his video but we cannot see the hinges: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOT8oDLBbww In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    Concerning the hinges, I believe: 1) the inventory of the vintage trains were never made by checking a sealed set as all the mistakes or incompleteness are those not found on instructions or box. So I believe the hinges with solid stud was not verified to be included in a copy of this set. 2) The motor is of type 3 dated 45 4 (45th week in 1984). This set is from 1985-90 so this copy should be from the first production run of this set. Other parts included in this MISB set confirm this, for example the part   *  3241c Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved, interference-free Parts: Train, Track does not have reinforcements. In 1985 this part was improved and reinforcements were added under the notches. Also   *  4081a Plate, Modified 1 x 1 with Light Attachment - Thin Ring Parts: Plate, Modified So in this first production run, the hinges are already of hollow studs. 3) As we don't have any proof that the old variants of hinges came in any release, I requested to delete them. More conservative option is to change them to alternate parts. Even if the old variants of hinges were included, that would be in less than 1% copies of this set so it makes sense to change them to alternate. In the photos we can see most hinges. The owner of this set checked and confirmed that all hinges were of hollow studs. In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    Please make changes to the following inventory:   *  7745-1 (Inv) High-Speed City Express Passenger Train 695 Parts, 10 Minifigures, 1985 Sets: Train: 12V * Delete 5 Part 3003 Black Brick 2 x 2 * Add 5 Part 3003old Black Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports * Delete 7 Part 3003 White Brick 2 x 2 * Add 7 Part 3003old White Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports * Delete 2 Part 3002 Red Brick 2 x 3 * Add 2 Part 3002old Red Brick 2 x 3 without Cross Supports * Add 1 Part 117983a (Not Applicable) Paper, Information Note, Special Suppressor Rail - 117983 (match ID 7) * Add 1 Part 3241c (Not Applicable) Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved, interference-free (match ID 7) * Delete 2 Part 4276a Black Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers and Solid Studs (match ID 1) * Delete 2 Part 4275a Black Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers and Solid Studs (match ID 2) * Delete 2 Part 4276a Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers and Solid Studs (match ID 3) * Delete 4 Part 4275a Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers and Solid Studs (match ID 4) * Change 1 Part (Not Applicable) 117983b Paper, Information Note, Special Suppressor Rail with Wire and Connector - 117983 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 7} * Change 1 Part Light Gray 2731a Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved with Connection Wire and Short Connector {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 7} * Change 2 Part Black 4276 Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers {Alternate to Regular} * Change 2 Part Black 4275 Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers {Alternate to Regular} * Change 2 Part Light Gray 4276 Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers {Alternate to Regular} * Change 4 Part Light Gray 4275 Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers {Alternate to Regular}

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  Apr 22, 2018 05:33  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7745-1  Viewed:  32 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

All of the other requests were approved. For this part, I'm confused on the role the rail with connector wire played and why it was later included as an alternate. Can you explain that in more detail, please? Does it have to do with the alternate motor? Would the inclusion of a rail with a connection wire have changed the type or quantity of connection wires which already exist in the inventory? It does not have anything to do with the motors (alternate, regular, substitute, extra or any type of motor). I use a message that Morris wrote me (since his return in January, we put our knowledge together and therefore, you are seeing many inventory change requests). This is something important, and there will be many inventory change request relating to this. So please do your best I should say that the whole story is not very easy. It took me many months to understand the whole evolution. In 1980 the sets 7730 and 7740 were released coming with both curved and straight conducting curved. In 1981 the set 7725 was released coming with ONLY curved conducting rail. (TLG tried to release a nice train with three cars but using less parts than 7730 or 7740. The result was 7725) However there were interference problems, caused by the track, to radio or TV reception, so the Lego Group introduced the special suppressor rail 3241c, which was necessarily curved because it had to be included in 7725 (no straight rail included in it). We believe that this happened in 1982. This part was also included in 7730 and 7740 since 1982. Please note that 3241c was always accompanied by the leaflet 117983, but unfortunately this paper is not dated. And also in the MIB 7740 provided by Bluxe (motor date 22 81) apparently there is no 3241c. In my perfect boxed 7725 (in the same lot as those space sets) whose motor is dated 29 81 there is no 3241c. So this is why we think it was released in 1982. This part was also included in 7735 and 7745 in 1985 as you see in the photos of this sealed 7745. But in 1986, TLG decided to integrate 3241c and a wire that had to be used to connect the conducting rails to the transformer (without wire, the trains won't move ) The result, I believe, was   *  2731b Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved with Connection Wire and Long Connector Parts: Train, Track I have good evidence for this, otherwise, this part is not included in any set on bricklink. In 1988, this part was replaced by   *  2731a Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved with Connection Wire and Short Connector Parts: Train, Track And this is another case for which the inventory does not have enough features. I don't know what we can do with this. This is the summary of what I would like to see one day for the inventory of 7745 and 7735: 1985:   *  117983a Paper Information Note, Special Suppressor Rail - 117983 Parts: Paper   *  3241c Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved, interference-free Parts: Train, Track 1986-7:   *  117983b Paper Information Note, Special Suppressor Rail with Wire and Connector - 117983 Parts: Paper   *  2731b Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved with Connection Wire and Long Connector Parts: Train, Track 1988-90:   *  117983b Paper Information Note, Special Suppressor Rail with Wire and Connector - 117983 Parts: Paper   *  2731a Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved with Connection Wire and Short Connector Parts: Train, Track How can we show this on inventory?

Author:  StormChaser  Posted:  Apr 22, 2018 03:54  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7745-1  Viewed:  37 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    Please make changes to the following inventory:   *  7745-1 (Inv) High-Speed City Express Passenger Train 695 Parts, 10 Minifigures, 1985 Sets: Train: 12V * Add 1 Part 117983a (Not Applicable) Paper, Information Note, Special Suppressor Rail - 117983 (match ID 7) * Add 1 Part 3241c (Not Applicable) Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved, interference-free (match ID 7) * Change 1 Part (Not Applicable) 117983b Paper, Information Note, Special Suppressor Rail with Wire and Connector - 117983 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 7} * Change 1 Part Light Gray 2731a Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved with Connection Wire and Short Connector {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 7} All of the other requests were approved. For this part, I'm confused on the role the rail with connector wire played and why it was later included as an alternate. Can you explain that in more detail, please? Does it have to do with the alternate motor? Would the inclusion of a rail with a connection wire have changed the type or quantity of connection wires which already exist in the inventory?

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  Apr 18, 2018 08:37  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7745-1  Viewed:  38 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

Concerning the hinges, I believe: 1) the inventory of the vintage trains were never made by checking a sealed set as all the mistakes or incompleteness are those not found on instructions or box. So I believe the hinges with solid stud was not verified to be included in a copy of this set. 2) The motor is of type 3 dated 45 4 (45th week in 1984). This set is from 1985-90 so this copy should be from the first production run of this set. Other parts included in this MISB set confirm this, for example the part   *  3241c Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved, interference-free Parts: Train, Track does not have reinforcements. In 1985 this part was improved and reinforcements were added under the notches. Also   *  4081a Plate, Modified 1 x 1 with Light Attachment - Thin Ring Parts: Plate, Modified So in this first production run, the hinges are already of hollow studs. 3) As we don't have any proof that the old variants of hinges came in any release, I requested to delete them. More conservative option is to change them to alternate parts. Even if the old variants of hinges were included, that would be in less than 1% copies of this set so it makes sense to change them to alternate. In the photos we can see most hinges. The owner of this set checked and confirmed that all hinges were of hollow studs. In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    Please make changes to the following inventory:   *  7745-1 (Inv) High-Speed City Express Passenger Train 695 Parts, 10 Minifigures, 1985 Sets: Train: 12V * Delete 5 Part 3003 Black Brick 2 x 2 * Add 5 Part 3003old Black Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports * Delete 7 Part 3003 White Brick 2 x 2 * Add 7 Part 3003old White Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports * Delete 2 Part 3002 Red Brick 2 x 3 * Add 2 Part 3002old Red Brick 2 x 3 without Cross Supports * Add 1 Part 117983a (Not Applicable) Paper, Information Note, Special Suppressor Rail - 117983 (match ID 7) * Add 1 Part 3241c (Not Applicable) Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved, interference-free (match ID 7) * Delete 2 Part 4276a Black Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers and Solid Studs (match ID 1) * Delete 2 Part 4275a Black Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers and Solid Studs (match ID 2) * Delete 2 Part 4276a Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers and Solid Studs (match ID 3) * Delete 4 Part 4275a Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers and Solid Studs (match ID 4) * Change 1 Part (Not Applicable) 117983b Paper, Information Note, Special Suppressor Rail with Wire and Connector - 117983 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 7} * Change 1 Part Light Gray 2731a Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved with Connection Wire and Short Connector {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 7} * Change 2 Part Black 4276 Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers {Alternate to Regular} * Change 2 Part Black 4275 Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers {Alternate to Regular} * Change 2 Part Light Gray 4276 Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers {Alternate to Regular} * Change 4 Part Light Gray 4275 Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers {Alternate to Regular}

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  Apr 18, 2018 08:25  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7745-1  Viewed:  26 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

The motor is dated 45 4 (45th week in 1984) so it was already expected that the interference free conducting rail   *  3241c Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved, interference-free Parts: Train, Track was included. It doe not have reinforcements as seen in the last photo. As always, this part comes with the paper   *  117983a Paper Information Note, Special Suppressor Rail - 117983 Parts: Paper In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    Please make changes to the following inventory:   *  7745-1 (Inv) High-Speed City Express Passenger Train 695 Parts, 10 Minifigures, 1985 Sets: Train: 12V * Delete 5 Part 3003 Black Brick 2 x 2 * Add 5 Part 3003old Black Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports * Delete 7 Part 3003 White Brick 2 x 2 * Add 7 Part 3003old White Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports * Delete 2 Part 3002 Red Brick 2 x 3 * Add 2 Part 3002old Red Brick 2 x 3 without Cross Supports * Add 1 Part 117983a (Not Applicable) Paper, Information Note, Special Suppressor Rail - 117983 (match ID 7) * Add 1 Part 3241c (Not Applicable) Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved, interference-free (match ID 7) * Delete 2 Part 4276a Black Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers and Solid Studs (match ID 1) * Delete 2 Part 4275a Black Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers and Solid Studs (match ID 2) * Delete 2 Part 4276a Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers and Solid Studs (match ID 3) * Delete 4 Part 4275a Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers and Solid Studs (match ID 4) * Change 1 Part (Not Applicable) 117983b Paper, Information Note, Special Suppressor Rail with Wire and Connector - 117983 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 7} * Change 1 Part Light Gray 2731a Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved with Connection Wire and Short Connector {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 7} * Change 2 Part Black 4276 Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers {Alternate to Regular} * Change 2 Part Black 4275 Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers {Alternate to Regular} * Change 2 Part Light Gray 4276 Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers {Alternate to Regular} * Change 4 Part Light Gray 4275 Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers {Alternate to Regular}

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  Apr 18, 2018 08:21  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7745-1  Viewed:  40 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

The photos are from an MISB set belonging to the owner of the store Basteq. This set is most likely from the first production run as the date of motor is 45 4 (45th week in 1984). The light gray brick   *  3003 Brick 2 x 2 Parts: Brick is included suggesting that the old variation of it was never included in this set. In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    Please make changes to the following inventory:   *  7745-1 (Inv) High-Speed City Express Passenger Train 695 Parts, 10 Minifigures, 1985 Sets: Train: 12V * Delete 5 Part 3003 Black Brick 2 x 2 * Add 5 Part 3003old Black Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports * Delete 7 Part 3003 White Brick 2 x 2 * Add 7 Part 3003old White Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports * Delete 2 Part 3002 Red Brick 2 x 3 * Add 2 Part 3002old Red Brick 2 x 3 without Cross Supports * Add 1 Part 117983a (Not Applicable) Paper, Information Note, Special Suppressor Rail - 117983 (match ID 7) * Add 1 Part 3241c (Not Applicable) Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved, interference-free (match ID 7) * Delete 2 Part 4276a Black Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers and Solid Studs (match ID 1) * Delete 2 Part 4275a Black Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers and Solid Studs (match ID 2) * Delete 2 Part 4276a Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers and Solid Studs (match ID 3) * Delete 4 Part 4275a Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers and Solid Studs (match ID 4) * Change 1 Part (Not Applicable) 117983b Paper, Information Note, Special Suppressor Rail with Wire and Connector - 117983 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 7} * Change 1 Part Light Gray 2731a Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved with Connection Wire and Short Connector {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 7} * Change 2 Part Black 4276 Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers {Alternate to Regular} * Change 2 Part Black 4275 Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers {Alternate to Regular} * Change 2 Part Light Gray 4276 Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers {Alternate to Regular} * Change 4 Part Light Gray 4275 Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers {Alternate to Regular}

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  Apr 18, 2018 07:47  Subject:  Inventory Change Request for Set 7745-1  Viewed:  75 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests (Entry)  Status: Open View Cancel Reply

Please make changes to the following inventory:   *  7745-1 (Inv) High-Speed City Express Passenger Train 695 Parts, 10 Minifigures, 1985 Sets: Train: 12V * Delete 5 Part 3003 Black Brick 2 x 2 * Add 5 Part 3003old Black Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports * Delete 7 Part 3003 White Brick 2 x 2 * Add 7 Part 3003old White Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports * Delete 2 Part 3002 Red Brick 2 x 3 * Add 2 Part 3002old Red Brick 2 x 3 without Cross Supports * Add 1 Part 117983a (Not Applicable) Paper, Information Note, Special Suppressor Rail - 117983 (match ID 7) * Add 1 Part 3241c (Not Applicable) Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved, interference-free (match ID 7) * Delete 2 Part 4276a Black Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers and Solid Studs (match ID 1) * Delete 2 Part 4275a Black Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers and Solid Studs (match ID 2) * Delete 2 Part 4276a Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers and Solid Studs (match ID 3) * Delete 4 Part 4275a Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers and Solid Studs (match ID 4) * Change 1 Part (Not Applicable) 117983b Paper, Information Note, Special Suppressor Rail with Wire and Connector - 117983 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 7} * Change 1 Part Light Gray 2731a Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved with Connection Wire and Short Connector {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 7} * Change 2 Part Black 4276 Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers {Alternate to Regular} * Change 2 Part Black 4275 Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers {Alternate to Regular} * Change 2 Part Light Gray 4276 Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 2 Fingers {Alternate to Regular} * Change 4 Part Light Gray 4275 Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers {Alternate to Regular}

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  Apr 3, 2018 18:52  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7740-1  Viewed:  23 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

Special thanks to your father and his father. Your dad's friend excellent creativity in 1984 was a big asset to improve the inventory of 12v trains today! In Inventories Requests, lego.12vtrains writes:    Hello, I support SezaR point of view and confirm that cable 765c96 is included in my copy of 7740 that I've owned since my childhood (1984); I also add that I've never had transformer 7864, I used a custom transformer made by my father's friend and connected it to the track using that wire.

Author:  taxan  Posted:  Mar 31, 2018 07:46  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7725-1  Viewed:  28 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    1)The first set (see photos 1-4) is MISB currently on sale on bricklink and another website. - the languages on the right side of the box are UK/I/F so this set is from 1981-82. (since 1983, the languages changed a little bit and were UK/F/NL together with new trains 7727 and 7755) - the sleepers don't have cable grooves so were made between 1981-82. On the photo 4, we can see the cable with 1-prong connectors. It is wrapped so its length are about 74cm and is 765c96. 2) The photos 5-7 come from a set in very good condition. It comes with the catalog from 1981. On photos 5 and 6, on the right bottom corner, we can see a 1-prong connector which should be 765c96. 3) The photos 8 comes from a lot that I bought from France. The set was in excellent condition. The bags were still in the box. We can see the cable 765c96 connected to a no-Lego transformer. This shows that TLG didn't want to force the buyers of 12v trains 7725, 7730 and 7740 to buy the transformer set 7864 so they included this cable. (I have seen similar lots many times but didn't save them) In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    Please make changes to the following inventory:   *  7725-1 (Inv) Electric Passenger Train 483 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1981 Sets: Train: 12V * Add 1 Part 765c96 Light Gray Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with four 1-prong connectors, 96 Studs Long It has been some time that we noticed the part   *  765c96 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 96 Studs Long with 4 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Squared (x466c96 / 765c01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector came with sets 7730, 7740 (released in 1980) and 7725 (released in 1981). This cable were seen in various boxed sets (in sealed, MISB, or excellent used condition). We had three questions to ask: 1) What is the length of this wire? 2) Did it come in all releases or it was extra or it came only for some period? In other words, did this wire came in all releases of 7730 from 1980-82? (for 7740, between 1980-84 and for 7725 between 1981-84) 3) The owners of this set need the transformer   *  7864 Electric, Train 12V Transformer for 220V - Type 3 Parts: Electric, Train This transformer came with the same wire   *  765c96 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 96 Studs Long with 4 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Squared (x466c96 / 765c01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector . So why did TLG include another one in the boxes of these sets? Just as an extra? We think we found the answer to these questions and we think that the last question is the most important one. First I give the answers we have for these three questions and then on separate messages, I will upload photos as evidence. 1) The length is about 70cm (without the 1-prong connectors, with these connectors would be about 76cm) so it is really 765c96. On the other hand, this wire had the length 76cm. So TLG had included the same wire with the same length as the purpose of the two was to connect the transformer to conducting rails. 2) This wire together with tracks are the most likely parts to be removed or intermingled with other parts or lots. However, we have seen them in MISB or new condition sets from various years confirming that this part was not an extra for certain releases. 3) This is the most important question and the answer would give the best support to add this part to the inventory of these three sets. In 70s, TLG released 12v trains but with blue tracks. They were released in some European countires and not all. Their production stopped in 1980 and so, the gray era began. For blue era, the transformers were   *  740 Electric, Train 12V Transformer for 220V - Type 1 Parts: Electric, Train   *  741-1 (Inv) 12V Transformer for 220V Pack 1 Part, 1974 Sets: Train: Supplemental: 12V   *  742-1 (Inv) 12V Transformer for 110V Pack 1 Part, 1969 Sets: Train: Supplemental: 12V They did not come with any wire. Instead, they released supplemental sets   *  706-1 (Inv) 12V Rail Contact Wire with Transformer Connector 1 Part, 1969 Sets: Train: Supplemental: 12V or   *  706-2 Medium Basic Set (Canister) 1962 Sets: Samsonite: Basic Set which came with   *  2913c01 (Inv) Electric, Train Track Contact Base with Wire (97cm) with Blue Electric, Connector, 2-Way Male Rounded Wide Long with Hollow Pins (2913 / bb0093ac01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector or   *  2913c02 (Inv) Electric, Train Track Contact Base with Wire (97 cm) and Connector with Cap Parts: Electric, Train First these parts were blue and not nice with gray tracks. Second, these supplemental sets were not released anymore since 1980. So TLG added the wire 765c96 to owners of 12v blue era in order that they could still be able to run the sets 7730, 7740 and 7725 with their older blue transformer (740, 741 or 742). In these way, they would not need to buy a new transformer. I have also seen some lots on Ebay in which the transformer is not Lego, probably came from other train toys. So the contact holes of transformers 740, 741, 742 or 7864 is compatible with other transformers. See photos attached ****** In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    Please make changes to the following inventory:   *  7740-1 (Inv) Inter-City Passenger Train 746 Parts, 10 Minifigures, 1980 Sets: Train: 12V * Add 1 Part 765c96 Light Gray Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with four 1-prong connectors, 96 Studs Long It has been some time that we noticed the part   *  765c96 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 96 Studs Long with 4 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Squared (x466c96 / 765c01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector came with sets 7730, 7740 (released in 1980) and 7725 (released in 1981). This cable were seen in various boxed sets (in sealed, MISB, or excellent used condition). We had three questions to ask: 1) What is the length of this wire? 2) Did it come in all releases or it was extra or it came only for some period? In other words, did this wire came in all releases of 7730 from 1980-82? (for 7740, between 1980-84 and for 7725 between 1981-84) 3) The owners of this set need the transformer   *  7864 Electric, Train 12V Transformer for 220V - Type 3 Parts: Electric, Train This transformer came with the same wire   *  765c96 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 96 Studs Long with 4 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Squared (x466c96 / 765c01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector . So why did TLG include another one in the boxes of these sets? Just as an extra? We think we found the answer to these questions and we think that the last question is the most important one. First I give the answers we have for these three questions and then on separate messages, I will upload photos as evidence. 1) The length is about 70cm (without the 1-prong connectors, with these connectors would be about 76cm) so it is really 765c96. On the other hand, this wire had the length 76cm. So TLG had included the same wire with the same length as the purpose of the two was to connect the transformer to conducting rails. 2) This wire together with tracks are the most likely parts to be removed or intermingled with other parts or lots. However, we have seen them in MISB or new condition sets from various years confirming that this part was not an extra for certain releases. 3) This is the most important question and the answer would give the best support to add this part to the inventory of these three sets. In 70s, TLG released 12v trains but with blue tracks. They were released in some European countires and not all. Their production stopped in 1980 and so, the gray era began. For blue era, the transformers were   *  740 Electric, Train 12V Transformer for 220V - Type 1 Parts: Electric, Train   *  741-1 (Inv) 12V Transformer for 220V Pack 1 Part, 1974 Sets: Train: Supplemental: 12V   *  742-1 (Inv) 12V Transformer for 110V Pack 1 Part, 1969 Sets: Train: Supplemental: 12V They did not come with any wire. Instead, they released supplemental sets   *  706-1 (Inv) 12V Rail Contact Wire with Transformer Connector 1 Part, 1969 Sets: Train: Supplemental: 12V or   *  706-2 Medium Basic Set (Canister) 1962 Sets: Samsonite: Basic Set which came with   *  2913c01 (Inv) Electric, Train Track Contact Base with Wire (97cm) with Blue Electric, Connector, 2-Way Male Rounded Wide Long with Hollow Pins (2913 / bb0093ac01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector or   *  2913c02 (Inv) Electric, Train Track Contact Base with Wire (97 cm) and Connector with Cap Parts: Electric, Train First these parts were blue and not nice with gray tracks. Second, these supplemental sets were not released anymore since 1980. So TLG added the wire 765c96 to owners of 12v blue era in order that they could still be able to run the sets 7730, 7740 and 7725 with their older blue transformer (740, 741 or 742). In these way, they would not need to buy a new transformer. I have also seen some lots on Ebay in which the transformer is not Lego, probably came from other train toys. So the contact holes of transformers 740, 741, 742 or 7864 is compatible with other transformers. Since tracks and conducting rails are listed as regular (despiste the fact that they are not included in the instructions), I think this wire should be listed as regular for the same reason. See photos attached from various lots including trains or sets from blue era and gray era. I will add some of my sources to next responses to this thread. Fixed some Macros for you.

Author:  lego.12vtrains  Posted:  Mar 31, 2018 04:37  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7740-1  Viewed:  32 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

Hello, I support SezaR point of view and confirm that cable 765c96 is included in my copy of 7740 that I've owned since my childhood (1984); I also add that I've never had transformer 7864, I used a custom transformer made by my father's friend and connected it to the track using that wire.

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  Mar 31, 2018 03:42  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7725-1  Viewed:  22 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

1)The first set (see photos 1-4) is MISB currently on sale on bricklink and another website. - the languages on the right side of the box are UK/I/F so this set is from 1981-82. (since 1983, the languages changed a little bit and were UK/F/NL together with new trains 7727 and 7755) - the sleepers don't have cable grooves so were made between 1981-82. On the photo 4, we can see the cable with 1-prong connectors. It is wrapped so its length are about 74cm and is 765c96. 2) The photos 5-7 come from a set in very good condition. It comes with the catalog from 1981. On photos 5 and 6, on the right bottom corner, we can see a 1-prong connector which should be 765c96. 3) The photos 8 comes from a lot that I bought from France. The set was in excellent condition. The bags were still in the box. We can see the cable 765c96 connected to a no-Lego transformer. This shows that TLG didn't want to force the buyers of 12v trains 7725, 7730 and 7740 to buy the transformer set 7864 so they included this cable. (I have seen similar lots many times but didn't save them) In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    Please make changes to the following inventory:   *  7725-1 (Inv) Electric Passenger Train 483 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1981 Sets: Train: 12V * Add 1 Part 765c96 Light Gray Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with four 1-prong connectors, 96 Studs Long It has been some time that we noticed the part   *  765c96 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 96 Studs Long with 4 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Squared (x466c96 / 765c01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector came with sets 7730, 7740 (released in 1980) and 7725 (released in 1981). This cable were seen in various boxed sets (in sealed, MISB, or excellent used condition). We had three questions to ask: 1) What is the length of this wire? 2) Did it come in all releases or it was extra or it came only for some period? In other words, did this wire came in all releases of 7730 from 1980-82? (for 7740, between 1980-84 and for 7725 between 1981-84) 3) The owners of this set need the transformer   *  7864 Electric, Train 12V Transformer for 220V - Type 3 Parts: Electric, Train This transformer came with the same wire   *  765c96 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 96 Studs Long with 4 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Squared (x466c96 / 765c01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector . So why did TLG include another one in the boxes of these sets? Just as an extra? We think we found the answer to these questions and we think that the last question is the most important one. First I give the answers we have for these three questions and then on separate messages, I will upload photos as evidence. 1) The length is about 70cm (without the 1-prong connectors, with these connectors would be about 76cm) so it is really 765c96. On the other hand, this wire had the length 76cm. So TLG had included the same wire with the same length as the purpose of the two was to connect the transformer to conducting rails. 2) This wire together with tracks are the most likely parts to be removed or intermingled with other parts or lots. However, we have seen them in MISB or new condition sets from various years confirming that this part was not an extra for certain releases. 3) This is the most important question and the answer would give the best support to add this part to the inventory of these three sets. In 70s, TLG released 12v trains but with blue tracks. They were released in some European countires and not all. Their production stopped in 1980 and so, the gray era began. For blue era, the transformers were   *  740 Electric, Train 12V Transformer for 220V - Type 1 Parts: Electric, Train [p=741-1] [p=742-1] They did not come with any wire. Instead, they released supplemental sets [p= 706-1] or [p= 706-2] which came with   *  2913c01 (Inv) Electric, Train Track Contact Base with Wire (97cm) with Blue Electric, Connector, 2-Way Male Rounded Wide Long with Hollow Pins (2913 / bb0093ac01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector or   *  2913c02 (Inv) Electric, Train Track Contact Base with Wire (97 cm) and Connector with Cap Parts: Electric, Train First these parts were blue and not nice with gray tracks. Second, these supplemental sets were not released anymore since 1980. So TLG added the wire 765c96 to owners of 12v blue era in order that they could still be able to run the sets 7730, 7740 and 7725 with their older blue transformer (740, 741 or 742). In these way, they would not need to buy a new transformer. I have also seen some lots on Ebay in which the transformer is not Lego, probably came from other train toys. So the contact holes of transformers 740, 741, 742 or 7864 is compatible with other transformers. See photos attached ****** In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    Please make changes to the following inventory:   *  7740-1 (Inv) Inter-City Passenger Train 746 Parts, 10 Minifigures, 1980 Sets: Train: 12V * Add 1 Part 765c96 Light Gray Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with four 1-prong connectors, 96 Studs Long It has been some time that we noticed the part   *  765c96 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 96 Studs Long with 4 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Squared (x466c96 / 765c01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector came with sets 7730, 7740 (released in 1980) and 7725 (released in 1981). This cable were seen in various boxed sets (in sealed, MISB, or excellent used condition). We had three questions to ask: 1) What is the length of this wire? 2) Did it come in all releases or it was extra or it came only for some period? In other words, did this wire came in all releases of 7730 from 1980-82? (for 7740, between 1980-84 and for 7725 between 1981-84) 3) The owners of this set need the transformer   *  7864 Electric, Train 12V Transformer for 220V - Type 3 Parts: Electric, Train This transformer came with the same wire   *  765c96 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 96 Studs Long with 4 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Squared (x466c96 / 765c01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector . So why did TLG include another one in the boxes of these sets? Just as an extra? We think we found the answer to these questions and we think that the last question is the most important one. First I give the answers we have for these three questions and then on separate messages, I will upload photos as evidence. 1) The length is about 70cm (without the 1-prong connectors, with these connectors would be about 76cm) so it is really 765c96. On the other hand, this wire had the length 76cm. So TLG had included the same wire with the same length as the purpose of the two was to connect the transformer to conducting rails. 2) This wire together with tracks are the most likely parts to be removed or intermingled with other parts or lots. However, we have seen them in MISB or new condition sets from various years confirming that this part was not an extra for certain releases. 3) This is the most important question and the answer would give the best support to add this part to the inventory of these three sets. In 70s, TLG released 12v trains but with blue tracks. They were released in some European countires and not all. Their production stopped in 1980 and so, the gray era began. For blue era, the transformers were   *  740 Electric, Train 12V Transformer for 220V - Type 1 Parts: Electric, Train [p=741-1] [p=742-1] They did not come with any wire. Instead, they released supplemental sets [p= 706-1] or [p= 706-2] which came with   *  2913c01 (Inv) Electric, Train Track Contact Base with Wire (97cm) with Blue Electric, Connector, 2-Way Male Rounded Wide Long with Hollow Pins (2913 / bb0093ac01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector or   *  2913c02 (Inv) Electric, Train Track Contact Base with Wire (97 cm) and Connector with Cap Parts: Electric, Train First these parts were blue and not nice with gray tracks. Second, these supplemental sets were not released anymore since 1980. So TLG added the wire 765c96 to owners of 12v blue era in order that they could still be able to run the sets 7730, 7740 and 7725 with their older blue transformer (740, 741 or 742). In these way, they would not need to buy a new transformer. I have also seen some lots on Ebay in which the transformer is not Lego, probably came from other train toys. So the contact holes of transformers 740, 741, 742 or 7864 is compatible with other transformers. Since tracks and conducting rails are listed as regular (despiste the fact that they are not included in the instructions), I think this wire should be listed as regular for the same reason. See photos attached from various lots including trains or sets from blue era and gray era. I will add some of my sources to next responses to this thread.

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  Mar 31, 2018 03:22  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7730-1  Viewed:  27 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

1) The first four photos come from a MISB set from the store Bluxe. - The motor is of type 2 (bb12vb with integrated pin) so it was made between 1981-2 - The green trays have square corners. This is the second type and were produced since late 1980. On the fourth photo, we can clearly see the wire 765c96. Unfortunately, we cannot see the 3 yellow cones in this photo. I believe they should have axle hole. 2) The photos 5-8 come from a set 7730 in near new condition. The sealed bags are still in the box, so are the extra parts. We can see - the green trays have square corners so were made since late 1980. - the Conducting Rail Curved have contact holes are   *  3241 Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved Parts: Train, Track which were first released in 1981. - the steam Steam Engine Cylinder are the later version made since mid 1981.   *  x461b Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Steam Engine Cylinder, Round Surfaces, Interior Grooves Parts: Plate, Modified - the interference-free conducting rail   *  3241c Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved, interference-free Parts: Train, Track is included. This was released some time AFTER mid 1981. Conclusion: all the parts are correct based on the time they were released and shows that this set was released sometime after mid 1981. We can clearly see the wire 765c96.

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  Mar 30, 2018 20:53  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7730-1  Viewed:  22 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    Please make changes to the following inventory:   *  7730-1 (Inv) Electric Goods Train 511 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 1980 Sets: Train: 12V * Add 1 Part 765c96 Light Gray Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with four 1-prong connectors, 96 Studs Long It has been some time that we noticed the part   *  765c96 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 96 Studs Long with 4 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Squared (x466c96 / 765c01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector came with sets 7730, 7740 (released in 1980) and 7725 (released in 1981). This cable were seen in various boxed sets (in sealed, MISB, or excellent used condition). We had three questions to ask: 1) What is the length of this wire? 2) Did it come in all releases or it was extra or it came only for some period? In other words, did this wire came in all releases of 7730 from 1980-82? (for 7740, between 1980-84 and for 7725 between 1981-84) 3) The owners of this set need the transformer   *  7864 Electric, Train 12V Transformer for 220V - Type 3 Parts: Electric, Train This transformer came with the same wire   *  765c96 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 96 Studs Long with 4 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Squared (x466c96 / 765c01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector . So why did TLG include another one in the boxes of these sets? Just as an extra? We think we found the answer to these questions and we think that the last question is the most important one. First I give the answers we have for these three questions and then on separate messages, I will upload photos as evidence. 1) The length is about 70cm (without the 1-prong connectors, with these connectors would be about 76cm) so it is really 765c96. On the other hand, this wire had the length 76cm. So TLG had included the same wire with the same length as the purpose of the two was to connect the transformer to conducting rails. 2) This wire together with tracks are the most likely parts to be removed or intermingled with other parts or lots. However, we have seen them in MISB or new condition sets from various years confirming that this part was not an extra for certain releases. 3) This is the most important question and the answer would give the best support to add this part to the inventory of these three sets. In 70s, TLG released 12v trains but with blue tracks. They were released in some European countires and not all. Their production stopped in 1980 and so, the gray era began. For blue era, the transformers were   *  740 Electric, Train 12V Transformer for 220V - Type 1 Parts: Electric, Train [p=741-1] [p=742-1] They did not come with any wire. Instead, they released supplemental sets [p= 706-1] or [p= 706-2] which came with   *  2913c01 (Inv) Electric, Train Track Contact Base with Wire (97cm) with Blue Electric, Connector, 2-Way Male Rounded Wide Long with Hollow Pins (2913 / bb0093ac01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector or   *  2913c02 (Inv) Electric, Train Track Contact Base with Wire (97 cm) and Connector with Cap Parts: Electric, Train First these parts were blue and not nice with gray tracks. Second, these supplemental sets were not released anymore since 1980. So TLG added the wire 765c96 to owners of 12v blue era in order that they could still be able to run the sets 7730, 7740 and 7725 with their older blue transformer (740, 741 or 742). In these way, they would not need to buy a new transformer. I have also seen some lots on Ebay in which the transformer is not Lego, probably came from other train toys. So the contact holes of transformers 740, 741, 742 or 7864 is compatible with other transformers. See photos attached ****** In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    Please make changes to the following inventory:   *  7740-1 (Inv) Inter-City Passenger Train 746 Parts, 10 Minifigures, 1980 Sets: Train: 12V * Add 1 Part 765c96 Light Gray Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with four 1-prong connectors, 96 Studs Long It has been some time that we noticed the part   *  765c96 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 96 Studs Long with 4 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Squared (x466c96 / 765c01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector came with sets 7730, 7740 (released in 1980) and 7725 (released in 1981). This cable were seen in various boxed sets (in sealed, MISB, or excellent used condition). We had three questions to ask: 1) What is the length of this wire? 2) Did it come in all releases or it was extra or it came only for some period? In other words, did this wire came in all releases of 7730 from 1980-82? (for 7740, between 1980-84 and for 7725 between 1981-84) 3) The owners of this set need the transformer   *  7864 Electric, Train 12V Transformer for 220V - Type 3 Parts: Electric, Train This transformer came with the same wire   *  765c96 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 96 Studs Long with 4 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Squared (x466c96 / 765c01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector . So why did TLG include another one in the boxes of these sets? Just as an extra? We think we found the answer to these questions and we think that the last question is the most important one. First I give the answers we have for these three questions and then on separate messages, I will upload photos as evidence. 1) The length is about 70cm (without the 1-prong connectors, with these connectors would be about 76cm) so it is really 765c96. On the other hand, this wire had the length 76cm. So TLG had included the same wire with the same length as the purpose of the two was to connect the transformer to conducting rails. 2) This wire together with tracks are the most likely parts to be removed or intermingled with other parts or lots. However, we have seen them in MISB or new condition sets from various years confirming that this part was not an extra for certain releases. 3) This is the most important question and the answer would give the best support to add this part to the inventory of these three sets. In 70s, TLG released 12v trains but with blue tracks. They were released in some European countires and not all. Their production stopped in 1980 and so, the gray era began. For blue era, the transformers were   *  740 Electric, Train 12V Transformer for 220V - Type 1 Parts: Electric, Train [p=741-1] [p=742-1] They did not come with any wire. Instead, they released supplemental sets [p= 706-1] or [p= 706-2] which came with   *  2913c01 (Inv) Electric, Train Track Contact Base with Wire (97cm) with Blue Electric, Connector, 2-Way Male Rounded Wide Long with Hollow Pins (2913 / bb0093ac01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector or   *  2913c02 (Inv) Electric, Train Track Contact Base with Wire (97 cm) and Connector with Cap Parts: Electric, Train First these parts were blue and not nice with gray tracks. Second, these supplemental sets were not released anymore since 1980. So TLG added the wire 765c96 to owners of 12v blue era in order that they could still be able to run the sets 7730, 7740 and 7725 with their older blue transformer (740, 741 or 742). In these way, they would not need to buy a new transformer. I have also seen some lots on Ebay in which the transformer is not Lego, probably came from other train toys. So the contact holes of transformers 740, 741, 742 or 7864 is compatible with other transformers. Since tracks and conducting rails are listed as regular (despiste the fact that they are not included in the instructions), I think this wire should be listed as regular for the same reason. See photos attached from various lots including trains or sets from blue era and gray era. I will add some of my sources to next responses to this thread.

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  Mar 30, 2018 20:51  Subject:  Inventory Change Request for Set 7730-1  Viewed:  24 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests (Entry)  Status: Open View Cancel Reply

Please make changes to the following inventory:   *  7730-1 (Inv) Electric Goods Train 511 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 1980 Sets: Train: 12V * Add 1 Part 765c96 Light Gray Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with four 1-prong connectors, 96 Studs Long

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  Mar 30, 2018 20:36  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7725-1  Viewed:  26 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    Please make changes to the following inventory:   *  7725-1 (Inv) Electric Passenger Train 483 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1981 Sets: Train: 12V * Add 1 Part 765c96 Light Gray Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with four 1-prong connectors, 96 Studs Long It has been some time that we noticed the part   *  765c96 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 96 Studs Long with 4 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Squared (x466c96 / 765c01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector came with sets 7730, 7740 (released in 1980) and 7725 (released in 1981). This cable were seen in various boxed sets (in sealed, MISB, or excellent used condition). We had three questions to ask: 1) What is the length of this wire? 2) Did it come in all releases or it was extra or it came only for some period? In other words, did this wire came in all releases of 7730 from 1980-82? (for 7740, between 1980-84 and for 7725 between 1981-84) 3) The owners of this set need the transformer   *  7864 Electric, Train 12V Transformer for 220V - Type 3 Parts: Electric, Train This transformer came with the same wire   *  765c96 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 96 Studs Long with 4 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Squared (x466c96 / 765c01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector . So why did TLG include another one in the boxes of these sets? Just as an extra? We think we found the answer to these questions and we think that the last question is the most important one. First I give the answers we have for these three questions and then on separate messages, I will upload photos as evidence. 1) The length is about 70cm (without the 1-prong connectors, with these connectors would be about 76cm) so it is really 765c96. On the other hand, this wire had the length 76cm. So TLG had included the same wire with the same length as the purpose of the two was to connect the transformer to conducting rails. 2) This wire together with tracks are the most likely parts to be removed or intermingled with other parts or lots. However, we have seen them in MISB or new condition sets from various years confirming that this part was not an extra for certain releases. 3) This is the most important question and the answer would give the best support to add this part to the inventory of these three sets. In 70s, TLG released 12v trains but with blue tracks. They were released in some European countires and not all. Their production stopped in 1980 and so, the gray era began. For blue era, the transformers were   *  740 Electric, Train 12V Transformer for 220V - Type 1 Parts: Electric, Train [p=741-1] [p=742-1] They did not come with any wire. Instead, they released supplemental sets [p= 706-1] or [p= 706-2] which came with   *  2913c01 (Inv) Electric, Train Track Contact Base with Wire (97cm) with Blue Electric, Connector, 2-Way Male Rounded Wide Long with Hollow Pins (2913 / bb0093ac01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector or   *  2913c02 (Inv) Electric, Train Track Contact Base with Wire (97 cm) and Connector with Cap Parts: Electric, Train First these parts were blue and not nice with gray tracks. Second, these supplemental sets were not released anymore since 1980. So TLG added the wire 765c96 to owners of 12v blue era in order that they could still be able to run the sets 7730, 7740 and 7725 with their older blue transformer (740, 741 or 742). In these way, they would not need to buy a new transformer. I have also seen some lots on Ebay in which the transformer is not Lego, probably came from other train toys. So the contact holes of transformers 740, 741, 742 or 7864 is compatible with other transformers. See photos attached ****** In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    Please make changes to the following inventory:   *  7740-1 (Inv) Inter-City Passenger Train 746 Parts, 10 Minifigures, 1980 Sets: Train: 12V * Add 1 Part 765c96 Light Gray Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with four 1-prong connectors, 96 Studs Long It has been some time that we noticed the part   *  765c96 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 96 Studs Long with 4 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Squared (x466c96 / 765c01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector came with sets 7730, 7740 (released in 1980) and 7725 (released in 1981). This cable were seen in various boxed sets (in sealed, MISB, or excellent used condition). We had three questions to ask: 1) What is the length of this wire? 2) Did it come in all releases or it was extra or it came only for some period? In other words, did this wire came in all releases of 7730 from 1980-82? (for 7740, between 1980-84 and for 7725 between 1981-84) 3) The owners of this set need the transformer   *  7864 Electric, Train 12V Transformer for 220V - Type 3 Parts: Electric, Train This transformer came with the same wire   *  765c96 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 96 Studs Long with 4 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Squared (x466c96 / 765c01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector . So why did TLG include another one in the boxes of these sets? Just as an extra? We think we found the answer to these questions and we think that the last question is the most important one. First I give the answers we have for these three questions and then on separate messages, I will upload photos as evidence. 1) The length is about 70cm (without the 1-prong connectors, with these connectors would be about 76cm) so it is really 765c96. On the other hand, this wire had the length 76cm. So TLG had included the same wire with the same length as the purpose of the two was to connect the transformer to conducting rails. 2) This wire together with tracks are the most likely parts to be removed or intermingled with other parts or lots. However, we have seen them in MISB or new condition sets from various years confirming that this part was not an extra for certain releases. 3) This is the most important question and the answer would give the best support to add this part to the inventory of these three sets. In 70s, TLG released 12v trains but with blue tracks. They were released in some European countires and not all. Their production stopped in 1980 and so, the gray era began. For blue era, the transformers were   *  740 Electric, Train 12V Transformer for 220V - Type 1 Parts: Electric, Train [p=741-1] [p=742-1] They did not come with any wire. Instead, they released supplemental sets [p= 706-1] or [p= 706-2] which came with   *  2913c01 (Inv) Electric, Train Track Contact Base with Wire (97cm) with Blue Electric, Connector, 2-Way Male Rounded Wide Long with Hollow Pins (2913 / bb0093ac01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector or   *  2913c02 (Inv) Electric, Train Track Contact Base with Wire (97 cm) and Connector with Cap Parts: Electric, Train First these parts were blue and not nice with gray tracks. Second, these supplemental sets were not released anymore since 1980. So TLG added the wire 765c96 to owners of 12v blue era in order that they could still be able to run the sets 7730, 7740 and 7725 with their older blue transformer (740, 741 or 742). In these way, they would not need to buy a new transformer. I have also seen some lots on Ebay in which the transformer is not Lego, probably came from other train toys. So the contact holes of transformers 740, 741, 742 or 7864 is compatible with other transformers. Since tracks and conducting rails are listed as regular (despiste the fact that they are not included in the instructions), I think this wire should be listed as regular for the same reason. See photos attached from various lots including trains or sets from blue era and gray era. I will add some of my sources to next responses to this thread.

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  Mar 30, 2018 20:34  Subject:  Inventory Change Request for Set 7725-1  Viewed:  28 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests (Entry)  Status: Open View Cancel Reply

Please make changes to the following inventory:   *  7725-1 (Inv) Electric Passenger Train 483 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1981 Sets: Train: 12V * Add 1 Part 765c96 Light Gray Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with four 1-prong connectors, 96 Studs Long

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  Mar 30, 2018 19:31  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7740-1  Viewed:  17 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

The other 7740 is one in used condition for sale on Ebay but I am sure the parts belonged to the set and were not swamped. Its owner kept it in its original condition. I asked the seller some questions and she asnwered them: - The production date of the motor is 12802 means 12th week in 1980 on Tuesday. It is of type 1 (bb12va) - The green trays have rounded corners so are the early version produced only in 1980 (until late 1980). - The catalog is from 1980 - The sleepers are the early version since they don't have groove   *  767 Train, Track Sleeper Plate 2 x 8 without Cable Grooves Parts: Train, Track . - The curved conducting rails don't have contact holes. This is the version made only in 1980.   *  3241b Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved without Cable Connection Holes Parts: Train, Track - On the fourth photo, we can see the wire 765c96 on the left side of the box. The seller gave me its length: 76cm So this set is one of the earliest release of 7740 and came with this wire   *  765c96 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 96 Studs Long with 4 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Squared (x466c96 / 765c01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector One seller (New (and Used) Old) on bricklink sold a copy of 7740 recently. He said the its previous owner kept the train (and 7725) in its original condition. I asked him about the wire and he confirmed that there was an extra buyer in the box. This is why I believe the wire was included in all releases. In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    The first evidence of 7740 is taken from Bluxe. The set is in MISB condition. The motor is of type 2 and its production date is 22 81 so made in 22nd week in 1981. Also - The conducting curved rails have holes   *  3241 Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved Parts: Train, Track This part came first since (see the following link in which they discuss this https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=196663 ) - The sleepers are   *  767 Train, Track Sleeper Plate 2 x 8 without Cable Grooves Parts: Train, Track which were released in 1980-82 and maybe in early 1983, those that were left over were used. - the green trays have square corner versus rounded corners. This version were used since very late 1980. Conclusion. I trust the motor belongs to this set and so, the set was produced on 22nd week in 1981. We can see on the 6th photo that there are eleven 1-prong connectors. This set already comes with two   *  765c28 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 28 Studs (22cm) Long with 4 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Squared Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector which are of length 22cm. So in total they have eight 1-prong connectors. The other three belongs to the middle wrapped wire in the photo (we don't see one 1-prong connector) Since the middle wire is wrapped, it has longer. By comparison with photos of   *  765c96 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 96 Studs Long with 4 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Squared (x466c96 / 765c01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector we can be sure that it is this one. Indeed, all the wires with four 1-prong connectors are 765c14, 765c15, 765c28 and 765c96. 2) Morris (Id: Lego.12vtrains) has 7740 from his childhood which comes with this wire. His set is from 1984. He may confirm this later.

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  Mar 30, 2018 19:12  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7740-1  Viewed:  14 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

The first evidence of 7740 is taken from Bluxe. The set is in MISB condition. The motor is of type 2 and its production date is 22 81 so made in 22nd week in 1981. Also - The conducting curved rails have holes   *  3241 Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Curved Parts: Train, Track This part came first since (see the following link in which they discuss this https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=196663 ) - The sleepers are   *  767 Train, Track Sleeper Plate 2 x 8 without Cable Grooves Parts: Train, Track which were released in 1980-82 and maybe in early 1983, those that were left over were used. - the green trays have square corner versus rounded corners. This version were used since very late 1980. Conclusion. I trust the motor belongs to this set and so, the set was produced on 22nd week in 1981. We can see on the 6th photo that there are eleven 1-prong connectors. This set already comes with two   *  765c28 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 28 Studs (22cm) Long with 4 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Squared Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector which are of length 22cm. So in total they have eight 1-prong connectors. The other three belongs to the middle wrapped wire in the photo (we don't see one 1-prong connector) Since the middle wire is wrapped, it has longer. By comparison with photos of   *  765c96 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 96 Studs Long with 4 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Squared (x466c96 / 765c01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector we can be sure that it is this one. Indeed, all the wires with four 1-prong connectors are 765c14, 765c15, 765c28 and 765c96. 2) Morris (Id: Lego.12vtrains) has 7740 from his childhood which comes with this wire. His set is from 1984. He may confirm this later.

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  Mar 30, 2018 18:48  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7740-1  Viewed:  15 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    Please make changes to the following inventory:   *  7740-1 (Inv) Inter-City Passenger Train 746 Parts, 10 Minifigures, 1980 Sets: Train: 12V * Add 1 Part 765c96 Light Gray Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with four 1-prong connectors, 96 Studs Long It has been some time that we noticed the part   *  765c96 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 96 Studs Long with 4 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Squared (x466c96 / 765c01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector came with sets 7730, 7740 (released in 1980) and 7725 (released in 1981). This cable were seen in various boxed sets (in sealed, MISB, or excellent used condition). We had three questions to ask: 1) What is the length of this wire? 2) Did it come in all releases or it was extra or it came only for some period? In other words, did this wire came in all releases of 7730 from 1980-82? (for 7740, between 1980-84 and for 7725 between 1981-84) 3) The owners of this set need the transformer   *  7864 Electric, Train 12V Transformer for 220V - Type 3 Parts: Electric, Train This transformer came with the same wire   *  765c96 (Inv) Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with 2 Leads, 96 Studs Long with 4 Light Gray Electric, Connector, 1-Way Male Squared (x466c96 / 765c01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector . So why did TLG include another one in the boxes of these sets? Just as an extra? We think we found the answer to these questions and we think that the last question is the most important one. First I give the answers we have for these three questions and then on separate messages, I will upload photos as evidence. 1) The length is about 70cm (without the 1-prong connectors, with these connectors would be about 76cm) so it is really 765c96. On the other hand, this wire had the length 76cm. So TLG had included the same wire with the same length as the purpose of the two was to connect the transformer to conducting rails. 2) This wire together with tracks are the most likely parts to be removed or intermingled with other parts or lots. However, we have seen them in MISB or new condition sets from various years confirming that this part was not an extra for certain releases. 3) This is the most important question and the answer would give the best support to add this part to the inventory of these three sets. In 70s, TLG released 12v trains but with blue tracks. They were released in some European countires and not all. Their production stopped in 1980 and so, the gray era began. For blue era, the transformers were   *  740 Electric, Train 12V Transformer for 220V - Type 1 Parts: Electric, Train [p=741-1] [p=742-1] They did not come with any wire. Instead, they released supplemental sets [p= 706-1] or [p= 706-2] which came with   *  2913c01 (Inv) Electric, Train Track Contact Base with Wire (97cm) with Blue Electric, Connector, 2-Way Male Rounded Wide Long with Hollow Pins (2913 / bb0093ac01) Parts: Electric, Wire & Connector or   *  2913c02 (Inv) Electric, Train Track Contact Base with Wire (97 cm) and Connector with Cap Parts: Electric, Train First these parts were blue and not nice with gray tracks. Second, these supplemental sets were not released anymore since 1980. So TLG added the wire 765c96 to owners of 12v blue era in order that they could still be able to run the sets 7730, 7740 and 7725 with their older blue transformer (740, 741 or 742). In these way, they would not need to buy a new transformer. I have also seen some lots on Ebay in which the transformer is not Lego, probably came from other train toys. So the contact holes of transformers 740, 741, 742 or 7864 is compatible with other transformers. Since tracks and conducting rails are listed as regular (despiste the fact that they are not included in the instructions), I think this wire should be listed as regular for the same reason. See photos attached from various lots including trains or sets from blue era and gray era.

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  Mar 30, 2018 17:49  Subject:  Inventory Change Request for Set 7740-1  Viewed:  24 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests (Entry)  Status: Open View Cancel Reply

Please make changes to the following inventory:   *  7740-1 (Inv) Inter-City Passenger Train 746 Parts, 10 Minifigures, 1980 Sets: Train: 12V * Add 1 Part 765c96 Light Gray Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with four 1-prong connectors, 96 Studs Long

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  Mar 27, 2018 14:42  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7858-1  Viewed:  19 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

By our best knowledge, the part   *  70026 Electric, Train 12V Remote Control Switch Motor 4 x 8 x 1 2/3 (Undetermined Type) Parts: Electric, Train Marked for Deletion does not have a variant with 2 contact holes. Similarly, for the part   *  70022 Electric, Train 12V 2 x 3 Signal Light Brick with Red and Green Lights Parts: Electric, Train The photos of these parts on the box are a big mistake from TLG. Probably, they first wanted to release them like the photos. However for the part 70026, they made a small hole in the middle in which the middle pin of the connector 766c01 does not fit. In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    The middle pin was added to the 2-prong connectors in 1981, along with all changes on train and technic parts that had 2-contact holes before 1981 and got 3 contact holes after 1981. The back side on the box shows this wire with connector without middle pin. See photo attached. In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    Please make changes to the following inventory:   *  7858-1 (Inv) Remote Controlled Points Right 12v 12 Parts, 1980 Sets: Train: Supplemental: 12V * Add 1 Part bb81c190 Light Gray Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with two 2-prong connectors without middle pin, 190 Studs Long (match ID 1) * Change 1 Part Light Gray 766c190 Electric, Wire 12V / 4.5V with two 2-prong connectors, 190 Studs Long {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 1}

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  Mar 27, 2018 05:47  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7859-1  Viewed:  29 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

Your message shows that the photo of these parts should be better and one need to add a comparison photo. This part   *  73112 Electric, Train 12V Manual Switch Motor 4 x 8 x 1 2/3 Parts: Electric, Train is a manual control. It means that you need to move your hand and twist the axle so that the point change the direction of track. (no free lunch) In particular, it does not have any contact hole. See first photo for comparison. We know that the connector with middle pin did not exist in 1980. (otherwise, how do these connectors without middle pin exist?) Bot the image on the boxes of supplemental sets have some mistakes, such as: The connector on the right side and holes on the left side of   *  4707pb01 Electric, Train 12V Remote Control 8 x 10 with Switch Pattern Parts: Electric, Train don't look like the image on the box. On the back side of the box of 7860, the part   *  70022 Electric, Train 12V 2 x 3 Signal Light Brick with Red and Green Lights Parts: Electric, Train have only 2 contact holes. We have never seen this part with two contact holes. All of them have 3 contact holes. On the side, the current inventory of 7860 is so bad! The wire is listed as a separate part. The wires did always come assembled to the connector, such as the photos of 7863 I just posted.(except for few service packs) Then the assembled one are listed as counterpart. The part   *  4707pb02 Electric, Train 12V Remote Control 8 x 10 with Signal Pattern Parts: Electric, Train have two variants. As one can expect from a set released for at least 11 years, there are many and many variations... So the part   *  70026 Electric, Train 12V Remote Control Switch Motor 4 x 8 x 1 2/3 (Undetermined Type) Parts: Electric, Train Marked for Deletion is correct. I have few of these and need to check and compare their contact holes. All of them have three contact holes. Indeed we will submit requests to split the part   *  4707pb01 Electric, Train 12V Remote Control 8 x 10 with Switch Pattern Parts: Electric, Train and also   *  4707pb03 Electric, Train 12V Remote Control 8 x 10 with Decoupler Pattern Parts: Electric, Train They do have three differences: 1) they both have three contact holes, but the middle hole of one is deeper so a connector with middle pin fits in it, but it doesn't go fully into the other and may fall easily. See the photos 2 and 3 attached: 2) Their interior design are different. The bottoms of the later one work more smoothly. 3) On can hold the left and right bottoms of the early variant at the same time, but this is impossible on the later variant. This is a significant difference in their functionality. I got my switch with "two" contact holes from a lot of boxes 7863, 7860 and 7859. The sets were missing most of their parts but instead there were many spare parts from trains or technic sets before 1980. So we can guess that these sets were early releases (see the last photo) There were many connector without middle pin, also the switch had "2" contact holes (the middle one not deep). I don't know how to submit a request to add an item to the catalog. After the following request, I have lost all my confidence to do this: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1078526 I submitted a request and also, wrote this inventory request on the forum. My request got ignored or rejected; at the same time nobody responded to this post. Could you give me any help for this? Did I do it incorrectly?

Author:  SezaR  Posted:  Mar 27, 2018 05:15  Subject:  Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7863-1  Viewed:  21 times  Topic:  Inventories Requests View Cancel Reply

Since the day I submitted this request, I opened my Lego boxes after some time so now I have access to my good (but not 100% complete) collection of trains. Among the used sets I bought, there were only few of them in near new condition. One was this set: 7863. The cellophane is still there, the parts are shinning! The black tape on the cable is still there. I paid for this only 20 Euro! Lucky me. Here are some photos. Note that my set is a later release of this, probably after 1981, since the connector (and switch) have 3 contact holes. For the connector, having three contact holes needs more explanation. I will explain under the request for 7859. In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:    In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:    The back side on the box shows this wire with connector without middle pin. See 0:49 in this video Wow . . . a minute and a half watching some guy loudly tear the cellophane off a vintage box with one hand and then only ten seconds which show the actual contents - and he doesn't even take them out of the box. What a disappointment! And something of a waste of a new set, too. Anyway, you're right. The set box does show the connector without the middle pin. As with the other requests, shouldn't an alternate motor box also be added to the inventory?