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I read this post the other day and just happen to stumble upon this part. I haven´t
done anything catalog wise in a good year, so I hope I am not too far off in
what you are asking.

[p=2865]

Red - doesnt exist in a set
Dark Gray & DBG - rendered?

In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

A new catalog project has begun:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2473

As you can see, the (Other) project is now complete and LordSkylark's project
is temporarily on hold.

The fifth catalog project is to remove images which are renders and which show
parts which do not exist in the colors shown. There are estimated to be 1,600
of these renders left in the catalog and there is no easy way for me to locate
them.

I would imagine the majority of them are for basic, undecorated parts. Please
post here with micro tags for the parts which need rendered images removed and
specify the colors. I will review the findings and remove the renders where
appropriate. Please note that this project will not be removing any actual
photos of parts.

Thank you all for your assistance.

Author:

SezaR

Posted:

Nov 20, 2018 16:29

Subject:

Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 720-1

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In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:

In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:

In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:

In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:

If you would like to do that, it would be appreciated.

I may have photos of another copy of this set in my PC but I cannot check it
right now.

When you can, please add that photo to the thread or send the raw image to inv@bricklink.com

But then we can always push these arguments to any extend:
- How do we know a sealed set was not opened, tampered with and resealed again?

We don't, but it is more and more likely these days that these old sets have
been resealed to try and make a profit. Modern sets are easy to fix, because
multiple people are checking them constantly from sealed sets. More data points
for these sets makes it less and less likely that errors will occur. However,
for these old sets, we only have so much data to work with. I do not take any
inventory changes lightly, so I must be convinced beyond reasonable doubt before
I will make a change. I hope you can understand my position.

- how do we know if plastic bags were not opened and sealed again?

See above.

I may own a sealed vintage set but still not sure if it is original. Nowadays
there are more and more fake sealed sets (unfortunately)/
So where do you draw the line?

As Inventory Admins, we are the last line of defense before bad data enters the
system. I take that responsibility *very* seriously. I draw my line when I personally
feel that I am comfortable enough that making the change to an inventory is a
good thing for BrickLink's catalog and BrickLink's users. If I do not
yet feel comfortable, I am going to question things until I either get comfortable
and accept the request or make a decision that I will wait for more data and
reject the request.

Extra evidence based on my knowledge about this part:
- I believe the hinges with hollow studs were produced since late 1984. I know
that the light gray hinges with solid stud have never seen with this set (sealed,
copy,...) This inventory change request is an evidence for this:
https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=235359

I do not have a good knowledge of this part, so I cannot say whether your belief
is correct. As I have stated before, the images of the 720-1 that you posted
in this thread were *not* sealed, yet the auction was listed as such. That does
not instill me with confidence in the source. If you have further proof of a
sealed set for 720-1 like the images shown in the thread posted, please add them.

The date of motor is 45 4 (45th week in 1984) and all parts also early version.
The set 7745 was released between 1985-90.
This set 720-1 was in market at least until 1989 so it is very unlikely that
the hinges with solid studs came with it until 1989. I believe they never came
with this set but that should be hard or rather impossible to prove

I am sorry that I can't make decisions based on beliefs for this set. Unfortunately,
if it is hard or impossible to prove, then the inventory will remain as is. I
will leave this request open for a while so yourself and others may have time
to add additional information.

Cheers,
Randy

I checked my PC and saw that I had saved these photos of a sealed copy few months
ago (during the time I could not submit any inventory change request) The seals
are intact based on the photos. Is this good enough?

The photos of this copy shows that the box is different. It has languages French
and Italian. The very interesting thing is that these light gray hinges appears
on the box "assembled" but it is written "3" under 4275a and "2" under 4531!

I have worked on this part for few months and realized that the very first time
it was produced was early 1985 yet it could had been used after until they ran
out of old stock of 4275a and 4276a. Do you note the transition time for each
part (to have a guideline)?
This is why I believed in this inventory change request.

The most interesting thing which is visible on your photos is completly different
printed parts list, compare with these.

Yes, this is what I mentioned. In 80s, there were variations of boxes based on
the language (so market). The box in my photos have languages D/F/I (German,
French, Italian)
The boxes mentioned in this thread are US (only English).
There should also be Canadian one (English, French) with a different box and
maybe different piece count (like the set 6384 or 6386 but I don't remember
which, I need to check later)
And UK/F/NL (see photo attached)
And Japanese!
There is also a box with seven languages which should be the one released in
1989 or later (see photo attached)

I didn't find photos of the part list printed on the side of the box for
other variations.

You may find this article interesting.
https://forum.brickset.com/discussion/17761/lego-set-box-variations-for-eu-uk-aus-usa-can-and-why-some-are-worth-more-than-others

On your photos on parts list larger wheels are shown assembled also minifg is
complete. Very interesting. Didn't know that this basic sets can have such
different parts lists on box.

Author:

Hygrotus

Posted:

Nov 20, 2018 15:49

Subject:

Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 720-1

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In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:

On your photos on parts list larger wheels are shown assembled also minifg is
complete. Very interesting. Didn't know that this basic sets can have such
different parts lists on box.

P.S.
But it is clearly visible on other photo of this set that in fact these wheels
are not pre assembled despite what parts list on box shows.

Author:

Hygrotus

Posted:

Nov 20, 2018 15:45

Subject:

Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 720-1

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In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:

In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:

In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:

If you would like to do that, it would be appreciated.

I may have photos of another copy of this set in my PC but I cannot check it
right now.

When you can, please add that photo to the thread or send the raw image to inv@bricklink.com

But then we can always push these arguments to any extend:
- How do we know a sealed set was not opened, tampered with and resealed again?

- how do we know if plastic bags were not opened and sealed again?

See above.

I may own a sealed vintage set but still not sure if it is original. Nowadays
there are more and more fake sealed sets (unfortunately)/
So where do you draw the line?

The most interesting thing which is visible on your photos is completly different
printed parts list, compare with these.

On your photos on parts list larger wheels are shown assembled also minifg is
complete. Very interesting. Didn't know that this basic sets can have such
different parts lists on box.

Author:

SezaR

Posted:

Nov 20, 2018 15:40

Subject:

Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 720-1

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In Inventories Requests, taxan writes:

In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:

In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:

If you would like to do that, it would be appreciated.

I may have photos of another copy of this set in my PC but I cannot check it
right now.

When you can, please add that photo to the thread or send the raw image to inv@bricklink.com

But then we can always push these arguments to any extend:
- How do we know a sealed set was not opened, tampered with and resealed again?

- how do we know if plastic bags were not opened and sealed again?

See above.

I may own a sealed vintage set but still not sure if it is original. Nowadays
there are more and more fake sealed sets (unfortunately)/
So where do you draw the line?

Looks like the image on the box support this change.
And yes i know LEGO do changes after the photo is taken some time.

As you said, the photo of the box does not show anything because the box and
these photos were designed before the new variant 4275 (and 4276) were produced.
Another example of the exact same part (of the same color) is the set 7745-1
from the same year 1985.
https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=235359

The date of the motor and other parts proves that this copy was a very early
release coming with 4275 and 4276. The photos of the box, the instructions and
catalogs show 4275a and 4276a. It is interesting that for a catalog of 1988,
new photos were taken from this train showing 4276

Author:

SezaR

Posted:

Nov 20, 2018 15:36

Subject:

Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 720-1

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In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:

In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:

If you would like to do that, it would be appreciated.

I may have photos of another copy of this set in my PC but I cannot check it
right now.

When you can, please add that photo to the thread or send the raw image to inv@bricklink.com

But then we can always push these arguments to any extend:
- How do we know a sealed set was not opened, tampered with and resealed again?

- how do we know if plastic bags were not opened and sealed again?

See above.

I may own a sealed vintage set but still not sure if it is original. Nowadays
there are more and more fake sealed sets (unfortunately)/
So where do you draw the line?

Author:

taxan

Posted:

Nov 20, 2018 14:41

Subject:

Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 720-1

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In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:

In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:

If you would like to do that, it would be appreciated.

I may have photos of another copy of this set in my PC but I cannot check it
right now.

When you can, please add that photo to the thread or send the raw image to inv@bricklink.com

But then we can always push these arguments to any extend:
- How do we know a sealed set was not opened, tampered with and resealed again?

- how do we know if plastic bags were not opened and sealed again?

See above.

I may own a sealed vintage set but still not sure if it is original. Nowadays
there are more and more fake sealed sets (unfortunately)/
So where do you draw the line?

Looks like the image on the box support this change.
And yes i know LEGO do changes after the photo is taken some time.

Author:

randyf

Posted:

Nov 20, 2018 11:21

Subject:

Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 720-1

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In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:

If you would like to do that, it would be appreciated.

I may have photos of another copy of this set in my PC but I cannot check it
right now.

When you can, please add that photo to the thread or send the raw image to inv@bricklink.com

But then we can always push these arguments to any extend:
- How do we know a sealed set was not opened, tampered with and resealed again?

- how do we know if plastic bags were not opened and sealed again?

See above.

I may own a sealed vintage set but still not sure if it is original. Nowadays
there are more and more fake sealed sets (unfortunately)/
So where do you draw the line?

Author:

Bendix

Posted:

Nov 20, 2018 08:03

Subject:

Re: Trans Duplo flowers

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Colors

In Help, Golbsco writes:

In Help, Bendix writes:

Need some help, please:
I came across of two different shades of Trans-Dark Pink Duplo flowers.
The right one seem to be a bit more purplish with a more matt surface?
I've some of the right ones and some of the left one too...

Unfortunately I can't help with the Duplo parts but your photos look amazing!
What camera and lighting are you using? :o

Thanks, but only a quite simple Canon PowerShot (daylight) - it`s great for detailed
pics...

Author:

Golbsbricks

Posted:

Nov 20, 2018 07:27

Subject:

Re: Trans Duplo flowers

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Colors

In Help, Bendix writes:

Unfortunately I can't help with the Duplo parts but your photos look amazing!
What camera and lighting are you using? :o

Author:

Bendix

Posted:

Nov 20, 2018 06:45

Subject:

Trans Duplo flowers

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Colors

Status:

Open

Author:

SezaR

Posted:

Nov 20, 2018 02:05

Subject:

Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 720-1

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In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:

In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:

In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:

In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:

Please make changes to the following inventory:

720-1 (Inv) Basic Building Set
324 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1985
Sets: Universal Building Set: Basic

* Delete 3 Part 4275a Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers and Solid Studs
* Add 3 Part 4275 Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers

Comments from Submitter:
Photos to be followed

The only 4275 in Light Gray that I can see in that photo is upside down so that
I can only see the bottom of it. Is there a way to know what the studs on the
other side look like without being able to actually see them from that side?
Or is there something else in the photo that I am missing?

Thanks,
Randy

If you have any 1*2 plate around (or 1*3,...) check its bottom: that would be
how the bottom of hinge with solid stud look like; there should be a deep hole.

The bottom of the hinges with hollow stud look as in this photo.

OK. That makes sense.

I found the auction that contains the image you posted. The description of the
auction says "New in box original packaging". However, when you look at the images,
the seals on both ends of the box are cut open. How can I be sure this is really
a new copy of the set that was not tampered with?

Cheers,
Randy

I see the plastic bags inside the box. I think if I request extra photos or
ask him if the plastic bags are sealed, he would give the answer or provide extra
photos. Would you like me to contact the seller?
I may have photos of another copy of this set in my PC but I cannot check it
right now.

But then we can always push these arguments to any extend:
- How do we know a sealed set was not opened, tampered with and resealed again?
- how do we know if plastic bags were not opened and sealed again?

I may own a sealed vintage set but still not sure if it is original. Nowadays
there are more and more fake sealed sets (unfortunately)/
So where do you draw the line?

Extra evidence based on my knowledge about this part:
- I believe the hinges with hollow studs were produced since late 1984. I know
that the light gray hinges with solid stud have never seen with this set (sealed,
copy,...) This inventory change request is an evidence for this:
https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=235359

The date of motor is 45 4 (45th week in 1984) and all parts also early version.
The set 7745 was released between 1985-90.
This set 720-1 was in market at least until 1989 so it is very unlikely that
the hinges with solid studs came with it until 1989. I believe they never came
with this set but that should be hard or rather impossible to prove

Author:

randyf

Posted:

Nov 20, 2018 01:31

Subject:

Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 720-1

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In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:

In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:

In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:

Please make changes to the following inventory:

720-1 (Inv) Basic Building Set
324 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1985
Sets: Universal Building Set: Basic

* Delete 3 Part 4275a Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers and Solid Studs
* Add 3 Part 4275 Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers

Comments from Submitter:
Photos to be followed

OK. That makes sense.

Author:

SezaR

Posted:

Nov 20, 2018 00:42

Subject:

Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 720-1

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In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:

In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:

Please make changes to the following inventory:

720-1 (Inv) Basic Building Set
324 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1985
Sets: Universal Building Set: Basic

* Delete 3 Part 4275a Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers and Solid Studs
* Add 3 Part 4275 Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers

Comments from Submitter:
Photos to be followed

Author:

randyf

Posted:

Nov 20, 2018 00:18

Subject:

Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 720-1

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In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:

Please make changes to the following inventory:

720-1 (Inv) Basic Building Set
324 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1985
Sets: Universal Building Set: Basic

* Delete 3 Part 4275a Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers and Solid Studs
* Add 3 Part 4275 Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers

Comments from Submitter:
Photos to be followed

Author:

SezaR

Posted:

Nov 20, 2018 00:06

Subject:

Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 720-1

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In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:

Please make changes to the following inventory:

720-1 (Inv) Basic Building Set
324 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1985
Sets: Universal Building Set: Basic

* Delete 3 Part 4275a Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers and Solid Studs
* Add 3 Part 4275 Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers

Comments from Submitter:
Photos to be followed

Author:

SezaR

Posted:

Nov 20, 2018 00:05

Subject:

Inventory Change Request for Set 720-1

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Topic:

Inventories Requests (Entry)

Status:

Open

Please make changes to the following inventory:

720-1 (Inv) Basic Building Set
324 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1985
Sets: Universal Building Set: Basic

* Delete 3 Part 4275a Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers and Solid Studs
* Add 3 Part 4275 Light Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 with 3 Fingers

Comments from Submitter:
Photos to be followed

Author:

qwertyboy

Posted:

Nov 19, 2018 21:51

Subject:

Re: Items which change category

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In General, StormChaser writes:

At some point I plan to go forward with precise
written definitions of all item types (I actually have them written now) and
when that occurs it may be necessary to move some items which don't fit the
definitions.

This, for example, is self-evidently not even remotely close to being a set:

[S=bb173-4]

It's a storage bag and it will be moved to Gear when clear definitions of
item types exist.

I use the BrickStock database to identify category changes. However, it won't
work for items that move to a different type (like your example). Reason is that
the BS database doesn't have unique identifiers for each item - my program
figures out any category changes by checking if there are such changes for partnr/type
pairs. I can't track changes across types of items, as there currently are
already items with the same nr in multiple types (and that wouldn't even
take into account the fact you will likely change the part nr in that example).

Niek.

Author:

randyf

Posted:

Nov 19, 2018 21:18

Subject:

Re: (MARKED FOR DELETION) Why??

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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:

And admins usually don’t do anything stupid.

I added some emphasis to your comment.

Author:

StormChaser

Posted:

Nov 19, 2018 21:09

Subject:

Re: Items which change category

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In General, qwertyboy writes:

Internally we have a web page that shows items that have moved. Would that be
helpful for others as well?

That is a wonderful tool and thank you for sharing it. BrickLink should absolutely
have something like that on-site: an easy-to-read, well-organized tool with pictures
which show when stuff is moved around and where it has gone.

Currently I have it limited to only pick "parts" or "minifigs" - in the last
month there have been an _insane_ amount of category changes for gear/sets/instructions
etc.

This was the result of categorizing the 700+ items which had no categories and
these were necessary changes. I expect additional changes to occur in the future,
so I have saved your link and will share it again in the future if you don't
mind.

If you could figure out a way to add sets and gear without overwhelming your
tool, then that would be awesome. At some point I plan to go forward with precise
written definitions of all item types (I actually have them written now) and
when that occurs it may be necessary to move some items which don't fit the
definitions.

This, for example, is self-evidently not even remotely close to being a set:

[S=bb173-4]

It's a storage bag and it will be moved to Gear when clear definitions of
item types exist.

Author:

SezaR

Posted:

Nov 19, 2018 20:42

Subject:

Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7866-1

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In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:

Please make changes to the following inventory:

7866-1 (Inv) Remote Controlled Road Crossing
189 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1983
Sets: Train: 12V

* Add 4 Part 4476b Black Support 2 x 4 x 5 Stanchion Inclined, 5mm Wide Posts (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Add 4 Part 3242c Light Gray Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Straight without Cable Connection Holes (match ID 2)
* Change 4 Part Black 4476a Support 2 x 4 x 5 Stanchion Inclined, 3mm Wide Posts {match ID 0 to 1}
* Change 4 Part Light Gray 3242 Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Straight {match ID 0 to 2}

Comments from Submitter:
Photos to be followed.

Production dates:

4707pb04: 06 7
70026: 13 7 (both)

Author:

SezaR

Posted:

Nov 19, 2018 20:40

Subject:

Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7866-1

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In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:

Please make changes to the following inventory:

7866-1 (Inv) Remote Controlled Road Crossing
189 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1983
Sets: Train: 12V

The photos of the courtesy of collector nkiss82 who checked all parts in his
NIB set.

The manual: 120288
The catalog: D/A/CH/F/I 153382 (1986) this is a release of 1987 but the catalog
is the one from 1986 because there were no train catalog in 1987 so TLG used
the one form 1986.

The conducting rails have no holes on the sides

3242c Train, Track 12V Conducting Rail Straight without Cable Connection Holes
Parts: Train, Track

[3626ap01]

3855 Glass for Window 1 x 4 x 3
Parts: Window, Glass & Shutter

black

3003old Brick 2 x 2 without Inside Supports
Parts: Brick

Author:

SezaR

Posted:

Nov 19, 2018 20:32

Subject:

Inventory Change Request for Set 7866-1

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Topic:

Inventories Requests (Entry)

Status:

Open

Please make changes to the following inventory:

7866-1 (Inv) Remote Controlled Road Crossing
189 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1983
Sets: Train: 12V

Author:

Build_Zone

Posted:

Nov 19, 2018 19:56

Subject:

Re: (MARKED FOR DELETION) Why??

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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:

In Searching, BuildZone writes:

In Searching, SylvainLS writes:

In Searching, BuildZone writes:

[…]
Ok, thank you very much for the explanation. But actually writing in the titles
"Marked for Deletion" should be allowed only for Admin. But that's just my
opinion.

StormChaser IS admin.

Sorry I didn't see he's an Admin. I didn't mean it that way.

Sorry too, I put it a bit rudely… maybe should have added a smiley or something

So if
marking for deletion is allowed only for Admin that's ok so. I thought that
everybody can mark it like that. Thank you all very much for your help and explanation,
I really appreciate it.

Anybody can ask whatever but only admins can accept or decline requests. Otherwise,
it would be a fine mess

So, if something was done, it was obligatory done by an admin. And admins usually
don’t do anything stupid.

The catalogue has some inconsistencies but they are worked upon. And, without
discrediting the other admins, StormChaser is cleaning tornado.

As you can see with these minifigs, a lot have been marked for deletion without
anyone doing anything about them (like sellers keeping selling them while they
shouldn’t). Just putting that big mark should (and already has) wake(n) them
up.

Forgot to say THANKS to StormChaser for the explanation

Author:

Build_Zone

Posted:

Nov 19, 2018 19:48

Subject:

Re: (MARKED FOR DELETION) Why??

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