Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | StormChaser  | | Posted: | Apr 11, 2018 03:57 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 970672-1 | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 2 Part 4032b Black Plate, Round 2 x 2 with Axle Hole - X Opening
* Delete 2 Part 4032b White Plate, Round 2 x 2 with Axle Hole - X Opening
* Add 2 Part 4032 White Plate, Round 2 x 2 with Axle Hole
* Add 2 Part 4032 Black Plate, Round 2 x 2 with Axle Hole
Comments from Submitter:
Since inventory requests are saved permanently, please see the discussion here:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1085733
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Apr 11, 2018 03:53 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 970089-1 | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 2 Part 4032b Black Plate, Round 2 x 2 with Axle Hole - X Opening
* Delete 2 Part 4032b White Plate, Round 2 x 2 with Axle Hole - X Opening
* Add 2 Part 4032 White Plate, Round 2 x 2 with Axle Hole
* Add 2 Part 4032 Black Plate, Round 2 x 2 with Axle Hole
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These are rather complicated requests. First, although this set doesn't
have a year of release, the correct year of release is very likely 1998 to coincide
with the release of this set:
This surmise is an educated guess based on my knowledge of Educational/Dacta
items. If true, then it would have been years before 4032b with the X opening
began to appear. The special elements set, BTW, is a rare set for which little
other evidence is available. The current inventory has no source.
There is a second set with identical contents which was released in 2002:
This is exactly the same set with a different item number. This is not uncommon
and I believe the catalog has a couple handfuls of duplicate E&D entries due
to different item numbers being used for the same items (this happened fairly
frequently for E&D sets). In other words, this is likely the exactly the same
set which had been around since 1998.
The X opening appears in this set, but the source is parts list. This set is
the earliest instance of the X opening 4032 on BrickLink along with this set:
However, for 9649-1, the X opening appears as an alternate and was added along
with bluish gray parts - a clear indication that the set used for the changes
came from 2004 or later. Considering all of the above, I believe that the X
opening did not first appear until 2003.
Regardless of all that, though, the X opening 4032 is a far less common variant
which should not have been added to this set inventory without having been confirmed
with an actual set.
However, these requests are essentially based on conjecture and not facts, so
I will leave them open for a few days to give people the opportunity to comment/object
(and I'm certainly not above having my own requests rejected or rejecting
them myself).
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Apr 11, 2018 03:19 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 970089-1 | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 2 Part 4032b Black Plate, Round 2 x 2 with Axle Hole - X Opening
* Delete 2 Part 4032b White Plate, Round 2 x 2 with Axle Hole - X Opening
* Add 2 Part 4032 White Plate, Round 2 x 2 with Axle Hole
* Add 2 Part 4032 Black Plate, Round 2 x 2 with Axle Hole
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| Author: | jimbo4273 | | Posted: | Apr 10, 2018 19:04 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 8105-1 | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Minifig exf015 Devastator - Pearl Light Gray Torso, Red Eyes
* Delete 1 Minifig exf009 Devastator - Trans-Red Torso, Red Eyes
Comments from Submitter:
The instructions and LEGO inventory page depicts a Devastator with a trans-red torso, but the set comes with a pearl light gray torso
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| Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | Apr 10, 2018 17:24 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 8416-1 | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 4032b Red Plate, Round 2 x 2 with Axle Hole - X Opening (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Change 2 Part Light Bluish Gray {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
* Change 1 Part Red 4032 Plate, Round 2 x 2 with Axle Hole {match ID 0 to 1}
Comments from Submitter:
Source: MISB-based set that were never mixed with other bricks.
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| Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | Apr 10, 2018 15:26 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 8285-1 | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, normann1974 writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, normann1974 writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 2 Part Yellow {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
* Change 2 Part Black {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
Comments from Submitter:
Source: MISB-based set that has never been mixed with other bricks.
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Two questions have arised after re-counting my set before putting it up for sale:
1) Part
says that the "spring type" is "undetermined", but there are no variants to choose
between. Shouldn't there be some? Attached is a picture of the part in my
set.
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Yes, what ever happened to 32181c01? There is a 32181c03:
Looks like we need one that has a spring.
| | 2) After counting this set, I have 4 left over bricks: 1x black 32054, 2x black
41677, 1x LBG 6538c, and one brick is missing: 1x 32278. These extra/missing
parts seems to make up for the differences between the BL inventory and Peeron's
(I've actually verified Peeron's inventory some years ago). It seems
that BL's inventory corresponds with the parts list in the building instructions
but apparently, there are inconsistencies between this and the actual contents
of the box. I've tried counting the number of bricks required in the building
instructions for those four parts, but there are six books, and I can't make
any of the counts in either of the two models match any of BL's or Peeron's
counts. But how should I handle these missing/extra parts? (I can see that the
part I'm missing was added to the BL inventory in 2012 but not find the reason
why).
/Jan
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This other situation could be a case of multiple instructions. Check yours against
some of the others listed in databases. Brickset is a great resource for this
- there is a link there provided by Swooshable that will give you all the major
sources.
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I already checked that but forgot to write it.
My instruction's seem to be identical to the ones on the LEGO website, and
the inventory count in book 3 are the same counts as BL's inventory (e.g.
37x 32278). But that list obviously don't match the actual contents of my
and the Peeron inventory authors box contents and the actual number of parts
needed for the build. I just recounted the number of 32278's used to build
the main model. It's 36 (my count for the secondary model is 35).
/Jan
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| Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Apr 10, 2018 14:51 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 8285-1 | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, normann1974 writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, normann1974 writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 2 Part Yellow {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
* Change 2 Part Black {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
Comments from Submitter:
Source: MISB-based set that has never been mixed with other bricks.
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Two questions have arised after re-counting my set before putting it up for sale:
1) Part
says that the "spring type" is "undetermined", but there are no variants to choose
between. Shouldn't there be some? Attached is a picture of the part in my
set.
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Yes, what ever happened to 32181c01? There is a 32181c03:
Looks like we need one that has a spring.
| | 2) After counting this set, I have 4 left over bricks: 1x black 32054, 2x black
41677, 1x LBG 6538c, and one brick is missing: 1x 32278. These extra/missing
parts seems to make up for the differences between the BL inventory and Peeron's
(I've actually verified Peeron's inventory some years ago). It seems
that BL's inventory corresponds with the parts list in the building instructions
but apparently, there are inconsistencies between this and the actual contents
of the box. I've tried counting the number of bricks required in the building
instructions for those four parts, but there are six books, and I can't make
any of the counts in either of the two models match any of BL's or Peeron's
counts. But how should I handle these missing/extra parts? (I can see that the
part I'm missing was added to the BL inventory in 2012 but not find the reason
why).
/Jan
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This other situation could be a case of multiple instructions. Check yours against
some of the others listed in databases. Brickset is a great resource for this
- there is a link there provided by Swooshable that will give you all the major
sources.
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| Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | Apr 10, 2018 14:20 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 8285-1 | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, normann1974 writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 2 Part Yellow {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
* Change 2 Part Black {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
Comments from Submitter:
Source: MISB-based set that has never been mixed with other bricks.
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Two questions have arised after re-counting my set before putting it up for sale:
1) Part
says that the "spring type" is "undetermined", but there are no variants to choose
between. Shouldn't there be some? Attached is a picture of the part in my
set.
2) After counting this set, I have 4 left over bricks: 1x black 32054, 2x black
41677, 1x LBG 6538c, and one brick is missing: 1x 32278. These extra/missing
parts seems to make up for the differences between the BL inventory and Peeron's
(I've actually verified Peeron's inventory some years ago). It seems
that BL's inventory corresponds with the parts list in the building instructions
but apparently, there are inconsistencies between this and the actual contents
of the box. I've tried counting the number of bricks required in the building
instructions for those four parts, but there are six books, and I can't make
any of the counts in either of the two models match any of BL's or Peeron's
counts. But how should I handle these missing/extra parts? (I can see that the
part I'm missing was added to the BL inventory in 2012 but not find the reason
why).
/Jan
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| Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | Apr 10, 2018 13:51 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 8285-1 | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 2 Part Yellow {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
* Change 2 Part Black {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
Comments from Submitter:
Source: MISB-based set that has never been mixed with other bricks.
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| Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Apr 10, 2018 13:50 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6411-1 | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In a couple of the images in the upper-left corner you can definitely tell that
the palm trunks have the short connector:
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Thanks for finding that. The short connector is what the original submitter
was wanting to add to the set and this along with maggiec's sealed set definitely
confirm it.
| | Therefore, I think all of the evidence found in this thread added to the image
is sufficient to prove that the alternate existed.
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The alternate is where the concern lies. The question is whether the set ever
came with the long connector and that is what has yet to be convincingly demonstrated.
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I'm glad some headway is being made on these palm trunks. When they first
appeared in the catalog, I couldn't make head or tail as to where they fit
into the inventory system.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Apr 10, 2018 13:44 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6411-1 | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In a couple of the images in the upper-left corner you can definitely tell that
the palm trunks have the short connector:
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Thanks for finding that. The short connector is what the original submitter
was wanting to add to the set and this along with maggiec's sealed set definitely
confirm it.
| | Therefore, I think all of the evidence found in this thread added to the image
is sufficient to prove that the alternate existed.
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The alternate is where the concern lies. The question is whether the set ever
came with the long connector and that is what has yet to be convincingly demonstrated.
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Apr 10, 2018 13:35 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6411-1 | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, ParisianStore writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 6 Part Brown {2536 Plant, Tree Palm Trunk to 2536b Plant, Tree Palm Trunk - Short Connector, no Axle Hole}
Comments from Submitter:
I have bought the set 6411 on Ebay and the real palm trunk seems to be 2436b (empty hole, no slots inside).
All the parts are original because many of them were still clutched together and some of them are yellowed.
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Unfortunately, I decided not to approve this request. I think you're probably
right and I'd like to get the undetermined entry out of the set inventory,
but there's no point in doing so if it's based on a source that I consider
unreliable.
If you find more reliable information in the future, then please resubmit the
request.
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Robert -
I found a BrickShelf gallery that documents a sealed set being opened:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=268792
In a couple of the images in the upper-left corner you can definitely tell that
the palm trunks have the short connector:
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Rober-to/Town/6411/6411g.jpg
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Rober-to/Town/6411/6411i.jpg
Therefore, I think all of the evidence found in this thread added to the image
is sufficient to prove that the alternate existed.
Cheers,
Randy
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Apr 10, 2018 13:17 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6411-1 | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | I'll be looking through parts
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While I'm thinking about it, terms like "Type 1" and "Type 2" are singularly
unhelpful. For example:
If I had a random Duplo hook, what about either catalog entry would let me know
which one I had? Nothing in the title, no notes, and no comparison images.
I think any catalog entries which specify an item is type 1 or type 2 should
be looked at more closely for possible improvement.
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I tried changing a bunch of part names years ago that had "Type 1" or "Type 2",
etc. in them and all of them were rejected. I still think it is wholly uninformative
and useless to have such things in the names of parts.
Cheers,
Randy
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| Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Apr 10, 2018 12:35 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 740-2 | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, elias3 writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | The seller gp73 have this item, bought in 1974 with its original packaging.
In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 740 Light Gray Electric, Train 12V Transformer for 220V (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Change 1 Part Blue 740 Electric, Train 12V Transformer for 220V {match ID 0 to 1}
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Right, I uploaded the light gray picture.
Maybe 'various color' ? As we do by the minifigs.
Stefaan
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Speaking of pictures, it would be great if someone could upload a better photo
of the blue one.
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| Author: | CrazyChris | | Posted: | Apr 10, 2018 05:48 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7824-1 | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, Jojo writes:
| | Hello!
In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | To anyone reading this in the future, since these messages are permanently saved:
the finger hinges for this set have been moved around, added, and deleted in
nearly every possible way. They're fine now. Leave them alone. 
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Regardless of how often the inventory for this set has been changed in the past,
both hollow and closed studes on these hinges are possible to be in this set.
This means both versions should be included in the inventory, one as regular,
one as alternate. Since closed studes were the original when this set was released,
hollow studs were the "alternate" done by Lego themselves. There you have it.
Bye
Jojo
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I totally agree on that.
But in general, I‘ve given up on this issue.
Correcting the inventories could be done so fast and smoothly, if admins would
choose a better process...
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Apr 10, 2018 03:47 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 740-2 | | Viewed: | 20 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, elias3 writes:
| | We you list it as part, you can select the right color like the minfig torso
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I thought that's what you may be referring to. The reason torsos (and many
other part assemblies) are inventoried this way is so that they can be easily
used in multiple inventories.
I don't believe variable color inventories are appropriate for sets in most
cases. It could be done, yes, but I think having the alternate color for parts
is more appropriate for most sets (including this one).
You may notice that even sets which could include a larger variety of colors
are not traditionally given a single variable-color part inventory:
And then sometimes you get only this (see inventory note):
| | As MISB set you don't know what you have inside, it can be blue or light
gray.
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Indeed that's true and the alternate part in the inventory will allow sellers
to part out the set depending on what color they find.
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| Author: | elias3 | | Posted: | Apr 10, 2018 03:34 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 740-2 | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, elias3 writes:
| | Maybe 'various color' ? As we do by the minifigs.
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I'm confused by what you're asking here. Can you elucidate?
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Robert
In this inventory we have the 'blue' and/or the 'light gray'
one.
But if we use 1 part for the inv. as 'various color'.
We you list it as part, you can select the right color like the minfig torso
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=973&idColor=0#T=C&C=0
various color: (or no color)
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemInv.asp?P=973c02
As MISB set you don't know what you have inside, it can be blue or light
gray. (or maybe there is a color dot on the box as we seen on other sets at that
time)
Stefaan
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| Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Apr 10, 2018 03:11 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 740-2 | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| About two weeks ago, I did some search and found few other auctions listing or
other photos of this gray transformer with the box of 740.
Otherwise, how did this gray transformer appear?
More important, please note that the blue era ended in 1979 and the gray era
began in 1980. However, it seems to me that the blue track-related parts had
already began to be replaced by their gray ones. For example, see
[p=bb93]
and
[p=bb141c01].
Their gray ones do not appear in any set. (Of course, I will work on them
)
Knowing this fact would make my future inventory requests much smoother.
In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 740 Light Gray Electric, Train 12V Transformer for 220V (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Change 1 Part Blue 740 Electric, Train 12V Transformer for 220V {match ID 0 to 1}
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At the time of this request, longtime member brasletty has a new set for sale
which also shows the light gray transformer (photo attached) The part in light
gray appears in no other set at this time, but multiple photos demonstrate its
existence and there are 7 listings of light gray for sale.
I have little doubt in the accuracy of this request and it has been approved.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Apr 10, 2018 03:11 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 740-2 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, elias3 writes:
| | Maybe 'various color' ? As we do by the minifigs.
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I'm confused by what you're asking here. Can you elucidate?
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| Author: | elias3 | | Posted: | Apr 10, 2018 03:02 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 740-2 | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | The seller gp73 have this item, bought in 1974 with its original packaging.
In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 740 Light Gray Electric, Train 12V Transformer for 220V (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Change 1 Part Blue 740 Electric, Train 12V Transformer for 220V {match ID 0 to 1}
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Right, I uploaded the light gray picture.
Maybe 'various color' ? As we do by the minifigs.
Stefaan
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Apr 10, 2018 02:59 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 740-2 | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 740 Light Gray Electric, Train 12V Transformer for 220V (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Change 1 Part Blue 740 Electric, Train 12V Transformer for 220V {match ID 0 to 1}
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At the time of this request, longtime member brasletty has a new set for sale
which also shows the light gray transformer (photo attached) The part in light
gray appears in no other set at this time, but multiple photos demonstrate its
existence and there are 7 listings of light gray for sale.
I have little doubt in the accuracy of this request and it has been approved.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Apr 10, 2018 02:35 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 9980-1 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, LordSkylark writes:
| | I am curious. Are there any advantages to the administrators to having a separate
"delete" and "add" for an inventory instead of merely a "change"?
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None that I'm aware of. It's just habit for me to submit change requests
that way.
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| Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Apr 9, 2018 20:05 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 740-2 | | Viewed: | 17 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| The seller gp73 have this item, bought in 1974 with its original packaging.
In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 740 Light Gray Electric, Train 12V Transformer for 220V (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Change 1 Part Blue 740 Electric, Train 12V Transformer for 220V {match ID 0 to 1}
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| Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | Apr 9, 2018 20:03 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 740-2 | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 740 Light Gray Electric, Train 12V Transformer for 220V (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Change 1 Part Blue 740 Electric, Train 12V Transformer for 220V {match ID 0 to 1}
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