Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | Give.Me.A.Brick  | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 14:06 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, bricks2you writes:
| | Where would pin hole vs axle hole fall in your approaches?
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I think this could be additional information. The attachment type isn't
included in the titles of many wheels. I have recently heard an argument that
attachment type is the most important piece of information about a wheel and
should be either the first or second section of the title.
What are your thoughts?
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Jumping in here too 
This approach puts Axle Hole before additional description:
This approach puts Axle Hole after additional description:
Either way 18mm x 14mm or 18mm x 8mm, respectively, should be (in this case,
since there is no apparent Theme) the first piece of information.
Also, is the D. necessary?
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 11:46 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, bricks2you writes:
| | Where would pin hole vs axle hole fall in your approaches?
|
I think this could be additional information. The attachment type isn't
included in the titles of many wheels. I have recently heard an argument that
attachment type is the most important piece of information about a wheel and
should be either the first or second section of the title.
What are your thoughts?
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| Author: | gunga | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 10:10 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| I would prefer approach 2. You can always determine the dimensions with a ruler
or tape measure but you might not always know what theme a wheel was originally
placed in when added to the catalog.
All wheels (and tires for that matter), should have the "mm" labels for the dimensions
so that they can be listed in ascending order. Also, perhaps the label should
have a space between it and the number, for example - 8 mm x 6 mm.
The 8x6 (4624) and 8x9 (30027) are on page 1 but the next size 11x12 (6014) are
halfway down on page 2. Listed in between are huge wheels, like 24x43 technic
and 70x28 futuristic. Perhaps due to inconsistent or nonexistent "mm" labels.
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| Author: | bricks2you | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 06:38 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| Where would pin hole vs axle hole fall in your approaches?
In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | After considering the entirety of the Wheels category, I think three approaches
are reasonable (skip toward the end for the short version):
__________________________________
Approach 1:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Theme, use, or both. See below.
Title Section 3: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 4: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 2, the theme generally
takes precedence. Theme can be followed by use, as in "Wheel Town Motorcycle."
Although there are no firm rules for selecting the contents of this title section,
the preferred length is no more than two words. Themes should be loosely interpreted
into only a few basic categories (Fabuland, Space, Town, Technic, etc.) to reduce
the total number of themes and avoid more groupings than necessary.
__________________________________
Approach 2:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 3: Theme, use, or both. See below.
Title Section 4: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 3, the theme generally
takes precedence. Theme can be followed by use, as in "Wheel 30mm D. x 14mm
Town Motorcycle." Although there are no firm rules for selecting the contents
of this title section, the preferred length is no more than two words.
__________________________________
Approach 3:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 3: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 3, this information
is only the information not captured by the tag system.
___________________________________
SKIP TO HERE
Here are the pros and cons of each approach, followed by examples already in
use.
For Approach 1 the pros are standardization and grouping of similar items (like
Technic or wagon wheels). The con is that 82 of the 212 wheels already use the
second approach.
For Approach 2, the pro is a very straightforward system, where every single
wheel is ranked by actual size. The con is that groupings of similar items will
be lost in the places where such groupings currently exist.
For Approach 3, the pro is that all unnecessary information is moved to a tagging
system. The cons are that titles will be visually lacking and the tag system
may not be robust enough to support sucking most of the information out of titles.
My preference is Approach 1. I think it makes the most sense given the current
system, even after tags come along.
I will say, based on extensive experience, that BL is highly unlikely to change
much in the Wheel category, at least not in any kind of timely manner (meaning
within the next five years). But I have the wheels and my wish is that everyone
could benefit from this collection. So I'll make a one-time submission of
the data and change requests.
The only question is this: which approach would members prefer I use to submit
the data? Thoughts or input?
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| Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 01:10 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | Why not - assuming mm - use the same pattern as tubes?
Showing diameter and width.
(random numbers)
Wheel 27D/8W
Wheel 36D/11W
Wheel 52D/14W
Wheel 96D/14W
Or even...
Wheel 27/8
Wheel 36/11
Wheel 52/14
Wheel 96/14
Just an idea. I'm off 
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Those numbers just confuse me whenever I see them  I’m starting to think I
need a math degree to understand sizes on bricklink now
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| Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 01:09 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Yo_Yo_Flamingo writes:
| | I would prefer that terms like "small" "medium" "Giant" remain for wheels which
are varying sizes of the same piece.
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+1
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That's a perfectly reasonable position. Out of curiosity, though, doesn't
the size convey that information? Or do you prefer words to numbers? For example:
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Not everyone reads size and converts it to item instantly words like the giant
or small can help quickly confirm at a glance when looking at something before
listing it or when pulling it to ship it out
| | Wheel Small
Wheel Medium
Wheel Large
Wheel Giant
Wheel 27mm
Wheel 36mm
Wheel 52mm
Wheel 96mm
I'd like to understand your reasoning better. A similar use of size, BTW,
is in the hoses (where words couldn't describe them all).
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I don’t mean to bud in but those are more so very similar and are easier to mentally
picture size wise (I’m probably making no sense rn)
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| Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 01:08 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| Why not - assuming mm - use the same pattern as tubes?
Showing diameter and width.
(random numbers)
Wheel 27D/8W
Wheel 36D/11W
Wheel 52D/14W
Wheel 96D/14W
Or even...
Wheel 27/8
Wheel 36/11
Wheel 52/14
Wheel 96/14
Just an idea. I'm off
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 00:53 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Yo_Yo_Flamingo writes:
| | I would prefer that terms like "small" "medium" "Giant" remain for wheels which
are varying sizes of the same piece.
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That's a perfectly reasonable position. Out of curiosity, though, doesn't
the size convey that information? Or do you prefer words to numbers? For example:
Wheel Small
Wheel Medium
Wheel Large
Wheel Giant
Wheel 27mm
Wheel 36mm
Wheel 52mm
Wheel 96mm
I'd like to understand your reasoning better. A similar use of size, BTW,
is in the hoses (where words couldn't describe them all).
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| Author: | Yo_Yo_Flamingo | | Posted: | Dec 5, 2022 00:07 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Titles Discussion | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | After considering the entirety of the Wheels category, I think three approaches
are reasonable (skip toward the end for the short version):
__________________________________
Approach 1:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Theme, use, or both. See below.
Title Section 3: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 4: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 2, the theme generally
takes precedence. Theme can be followed by use, as in "Wheel Town Motorcycle."
Although there are no firm rules for selecting the contents of this title section,
the preferred length is no more than two words. Themes should be loosely interpreted
into only a few basic categories (Fabuland, Space, Town, Technic, etc.) to reduce
the total number of themes and avoid more groupings than necessary.
__________________________________
Approach 2:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 3: Theme, use, or both. See below.
Title Section 4: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 3, the theme generally
takes precedence. Theme can be followed by use, as in "Wheel 30mm D. x 14mm
Town Motorcycle." Although there are no firm rules for selecting the contents
of this title section, the preferred length is no more than two words.
__________________________________
Approach 3:
__________________________________
Title Section 1: The word "Wheel."
Title Section 2: Actual, measured size of the wheel hub in the format
"10mm D. x 10mm."
Title Section 3: Any other information deemed necessary.
Sections are not separated by punctuation. For Title Section 3, this information
is only the information not captured by the tag system.
___________________________________
SKIP TO HERE
Here are the pros and cons of each approach, followed by examples already in
use.
For Approach 1 the pros are standardization and grouping of similar items (like
Technic or wagon wheels). The con is that 82 of the 212 wheels already use the
second approach.
For Approach 2, the pro is a very straightforward system, where every single
wheel is ranked by actual size. The con is that groupings of similar items will
be lost in the places where such groupings currently exist.
For Approach 3, the pro is that all unnecessary information is moved to a tagging
system. The cons are that titles will be visually lacking and the tag system
may not be robust enough to support sucking most of the information out of titles.
My preference is Approach 1. I think it makes the most sense given the current
system, even after tags come along.
I will say, based on extensive experience, that BL is highly unlikely to change
much in the Wheel category, at least not in any kind of timely manner (meaning
within the next five years). But I have the wheels and my wish is that everyone
could benefit from this collection. So I'll make a one-time submission of
the data and change requests.
The only question is this: which approach would members prefer I use to submit
the data? Thoughts or input?
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I would like the Train Wheels grouped, the Technic wheels grouped, etc, hence
I would prefer Approach 1
And I agree that words like "small" "large" "giant" don't hold valuable info.
I would prefer the actual wheel rim(1) dimensions on every wheel.
(1) Not the corresponding former tire dimension that some wheels carry:
Thank you!
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I would prefer that terms like "small" "medium" "Giant" remain for wheels which
are varying sizes of the same piece.
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| Author: | crazylegoman | | Posted: | Dec 4, 2022 23:56 | | Subject: | Re: Wheels Names Discussion | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| I vote for Approach 1.
David
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