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In Catalog, Miro78 writes:

In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

In Catalog, Stellar writes:

I would like to see dual-molded parts differentiated too, maybe a new suffix
needs to be created... Maybe Stormchaser has already thought about some options?

I would say it needs to be something in the titles, not in the part number.
We would need something very short because torso assemblies where some parts
occur already have crammed titles. So a code, of sorts, like BAM. It will need
to be something not used in any other part titles or numbers.

Having all that in mind, what do you think about adding the letters DMO
(standing for Dual MOlded) to the titles of dual-molded parts?
This would include those parts that come in similar printed/molded patterns
that are not currently distinguished with separate catalog entries.

This will allow two things: finding all dual molded parts in the catalog by search
and excluding dual molded parts from searches.

Anything to distinguish the Dual MOlded (DMO) from Non-Dual Molded would help.
Although I am not sure people would know what DMO stands for outside of this
thread. I understand the need for a unique acronym.

DCM could be another acronym for Dual Color Mold if you want a 3 letter acronym,
since the O in DMO is not that fitting. This way if they ever do a Triple Color
Mold (TCM) you could distinguish it easily.

Miro

or MCM for Multi Color Mould to cover any future eventuality.

I changed them when I changed the legs and torsos around based on the theory
Robert mentioned up the thread but I'm glad it was brought up and is being
discussed

Author:

Miro78

Posted:

May 21, 2020 17:37

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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

In Catalog, Stellar writes:

I would like to see dual-molded parts differentiated too, maybe a new suffix
needs to be created... Maybe Stormchaser has already thought about some options?

Author:

StormChaser

Posted:

May 21, 2020 17:07

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In Catalog, Miro78 writes:

Hey look at that. I found my post about this from 70 months ago.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=851619

I found a thread from November, 2018 that bears some relevance to the topic at
hand:

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=245060&nID=1117413

Author:

StormChaser

Posted:

May 21, 2020 16:54

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In Catalog, Stellar writes:

I would like to see dual-molded parts differentiated too, maybe a new suffix
needs to be created... Maybe Stormchaser has already thought about some options?

Author:

randyf

Posted:

May 21, 2020 16:48

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Re: Is dual color mold really decorated?

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In Catalog, axaday writes:

In Catalog, Miro78 writes:

Should dual molded legs or arms in their respective assemblies really be considered
as decorated?
To me BL considered the decorated as by means of printing or applying decoration
using stickers.

example

970c00pb0970 Hips and Legs with Molded Dark Orange Lower Legs / Boots Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Legs, Decorated

the reasoning is, how is that any different from legs assembly with single color
legs but different color hips or mismatched leg colors?

970d46 (Inv) Hips and 1 Medium Azure Left Leg, 1 Bright Light Orange Right Leg
Parts: Minifigure, Legs

I feel the same way about dual molded arms

973c83 (Inv) Torso Plain / Yellow Arms with Molded Green Short Sleeves Pattern / Yellow Hands
Parts: Minifigure, Torso Assembly, Decor.

There are reasons for not separating them, mainly for new buyers not knowing
or caring about the difference or just the general way of looking at it, but
I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.

Any thoughts?

Miro

I support the change. Also the pics you posted are lovely.

LOL

Author:

axaday

Posted:

May 21, 2020 16:36

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In Catalog, Miro78 writes:

970c00pb0970 Hips and Legs with Molded Dark Orange Lower Legs / Boots Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Legs, Decorated

the reasoning is, how is that any different from legs assembly with single color
legs but different color hips or mismatched leg colors?

970d46 (Inv) Hips and 1 Medium Azure Left Leg, 1 Bright Light Orange Right Leg
Parts: Minifigure, Legs

I feel the same way about dual molded arms

973c83 (Inv) Torso Plain / Yellow Arms with Molded Green Short Sleeves Pattern / Yellow Hands
Parts: Minifigure, Torso Assembly, Decor.

I support the change. Also the pics you posted are lovely.

Author:

Miro78

Posted:

May 21, 2020 16:20

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Re: Is dual color mold really decorated?

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In Catalog, Miro78 writes:

In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

In Catalog, Miro78 writes:

I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.

There are no real definitions for a number of things and we're working right
now to change that.

As for dual-molded parts, I would say that the appearance of the part
is what is important. If a part appears to have a pattern, then BrickLink should
probably treat it as a patterned part regardless of the production method.

This is because when anyone is looking for an item, I imagine they would want
a clean distinction between plain parts and multicolored or patterned parts.
That's not to say we couldn't distinguish dual-molded parts in some
way, either with titles or item numbers. For example, we already distinguish
patterned parts that have stickers using the part title.

Oddly enough, at least for some patterned parts where the production is with
molding, we don't identify the part as a patterned part:

30566 Tile, Modified 6 x 6 x 2/3 with 4 Studs and Debossed Star Wars Logo
Parts: Tile, Modified

But sometimes we do:

bb0007c01pb01 Electric, Motor 4.5V Type A 12 x 4 x 4 (Train) with Engraved '4,5 VOLT' Pattern
Parts: Electric, Motor

Which makes me wonder what the catalog means when it uses the word "embossed:"

3010pb036e Brick 1 x 4 with Car Grille Black Pattern (Embossed Print)
Parts: Brick, Decorated

Anyway, there's still a lot to clean up all across the catalog. The first
step is enacting solid guidelines. Right now we're working on these two
pages and would greatly appreciate input before they become official in 11 (or
fewer) days:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2479

The dual-molding issue will have to wait until we get to a catalog page that
would address it.

I would certainly like dual-molded differentiated from printed or stickered.
The additional wrinkle is there is no way of knowing when a part is dual-molded
or not.

For example these legs

92253c00pb01 Mini Doll Hips and Trousers with Back Pockets with Tan Shoes Pattern - Thick Hinge
Parts: Mini Doll, Legs

come in dual molded and printed version of the shoes, but BL did not implement
the differentiation even though I brought it up in the past. The quality is vastly
different and hence why Lego decided to start doing dual molding of minifig/minidoll
parts

Miro

Hey look at that. I found my post about this from 70 months ago.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=851619

Miro

Author:

Stellar

Posted:

May 21, 2020 16:04

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Re: Is dual color mold really decorated?

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In Catalog, Miro78 writes:

In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

In Catalog, Miro78 writes:

I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.

30566 Tile, Modified 6 x 6 x 2/3 with 4 Studs and Debossed Star Wars Logo
Parts: Tile, Modified

But sometimes we do:

bb0007c01pb01 Electric, Motor 4.5V Type A 12 x 4 x 4 (Train) with Engraved '4,5 VOLT' Pattern
Parts: Electric, Motor

Which makes me wonder what the catalog means when it uses the word "embossed:"

3010pb036e Brick 1 x 4 with Car Grille Black Pattern (Embossed Print)
Parts: Brick, Decorated

I would certainly like dual-molded differentiated from printed or stickered.
The additional wrinkle is there is no way of knowing when a part is dual-molded
or not.

For example these legs

92253c00pb01 Mini Doll Hips and Trousers with Back Pockets with Tan Shoes Pattern - Thick Hinge
Parts: Mini Doll, Legs

I would like to see dual-molded parts differentiated too, maybe a new suffix
needs to be created... Maybe Stormchaser has already thought about some options?

Author:

Miro78

Posted:

May 21, 2020 15:35

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Re: Is dual color mold really decorated?

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In Catalog, yorbrick writes:

As for dual-molded parts, I would say that the appearance of the part
is what is important. If a part appears to have a pattern, then BrickLink should
probably treat it as a patterned part regardless of the production method.

This is because when anyone is looking for an item, I imagine they would want
a clean distinction between plain parts and multicolored or patterned parts.
That's not to say we couldn't distinguish dual-molded parts in some
way, either with titles or item numbers. For example, we already distinguish
patterned parts that have stickers using the part title.

The dual-molding issue will have to wait until we get to a catalog page that
would address it.

I don't care either way, but it would be very useful to know which legs are
dual molded (and so have the correct colours on the back of the legs) vs those
that are printed (and so have a single colour on the backs).

I agree. Not to mention those that want to remove the decoration for their customization
or whatever purpose will not be able to do so with the dual-molded version.

Miro

Author:

Miro78

Posted:

May 21, 2020 15:33

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Re: Is dual color mold really decorated?

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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

In Catalog, Miro78 writes:

I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.

30566 Tile, Modified 6 x 6 x 2/3 with 4 Studs and Debossed Star Wars Logo
Parts: Tile, Modified

But sometimes we do:

bb0007c01pb01 Electric, Motor 4.5V Type A 12 x 4 x 4 (Train) with Engraved '4,5 VOLT' Pattern
Parts: Electric, Motor

Which makes me wonder what the catalog means when it uses the word "embossed:"

3010pb036e Brick 1 x 4 with Car Grille Black Pattern (Embossed Print)
Parts: Brick, Decorated

I would certainly like dual-molded differentiated from printed or stickered.
The additional wrinkle is there is no way of knowing when a part is dual-molded
or not.

For example these legs

92253c00pb01 Mini Doll Hips and Trousers with Back Pockets with Tan Shoes Pattern - Thick Hinge
Parts: Mini Doll, Legs

Author:

yorbrick

Posted:

May 21, 2020 15:11

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The dual-molding issue will have to wait until we get to a catalog page that
would address it.

Author:

SylvainLS

Posted:

May 21, 2020 14:16

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Re: Is dual color mold really decorated?

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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:

[…]
I’ll try to make a comparison picture….

Dang. I can’t: I only have the surface paint in black.

I have both versions of the chrome ones but there already is a comparison picture.

I note

3010p31 Brick 1 x 4 with White Legoland Logo Pattern
Parts: Brick, Decorated

exists in both versions: there’s a comparison picture but
only one part in the catalogue….

Author:

SylvainLS

Posted:

May 21, 2020 14:03

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Re: Is dual color mold really decorated?

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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

[…]
Which makes me wonder what the catalog means when it uses the word "embossed:"

3010pb036e Brick 1 x 4 with Car Grille Black Pattern (Embossed Print)
Parts: Brick, Decorated

If you actually are wondering about this part, the pattern is both embossed and
painted, while on

3010pb036s Brick 1 x 4 with Car Grille Black Pattern (Surface Print)
Parts: Brick, Decorated

it’s only painted.

I’ll try to make a comparison picture….

Author:

StormChaser

Posted:

May 21, 2020 13:28

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Re: Is dual color mold really decorated?

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In Catalog, Miro78 writes:

I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.

30566 Tile, Modified 6 x 6 x 2/3 with 4 Studs and Debossed Star Wars Logo
Parts: Tile, Modified

But sometimes we do:

bb0007c01pb01 Electric, Motor 4.5V Type A 12 x 4 x 4 (Train) with Engraved '4,5 VOLT' Pattern
Parts: Electric, Motor

Which makes me wonder what the catalog means when it uses the word "embossed:"

3010pb036e Brick 1 x 4 with Car Grille Black Pattern (Embossed Print)
Parts: Brick, Decorated

Author:

Miro78

Posted:

May 21, 2020 13:06

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Is dual color mold really decorated?

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Open

970c00pb0970 Hips and Legs with Molded Dark Orange Lower Legs / Boots Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Legs, Decorated

the reasoning is, how is that any different from legs assembly with single color
legs but different color hips or mismatched leg colors?

970d46 (Inv) Hips and 1 Medium Azure Left Leg, 1 Bright Light Orange Right Leg
Parts: Minifigure, Legs

I feel the same way about dual molded arms

973c83 (Inv) Torso Plain / Yellow Arms with Molded Green Short Sleeves Pattern / Yellow Hands
Parts: Minifigure, Torso Assembly, Decor.

Author:

StormChaser

Posted:

May 20, 2020 12:03

Subject:

Re: Difference between keychain lights

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In Catalog, TheBohrok writes:

I see. Mine would then fall under LED Key Light Minifigure Key Chain since they
have the tag

Only if going by the catalog images. Technically, both existing catalog entries
are undetermined because the titles of each entry fail to specify the packaging
or the color of the items.

I was thinking it might be better to merge them

I also think it would be better to merge them.

Author:

TheBohrok

Posted:

May 20, 2020 11:16

Subject:

Re: Difference between keychain lights

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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

In Catalog, TheBohrok writes:

Wondering if there's any significant difference between these two catalog
entries and if they should be separate:
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?G=12853
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?G=kclight01

There are technically four items here:

1. Blue figure packaged and sold in cardboard box
2. Blue figure not packaged and sold with paper tag
3. Red figure packaged and sold in cardboard box
4. Red figure not packaged and sold with paper tag

For those four items there are two catalog entries:

1. Mini Torch Minifigure Flashlight Key Chain Classic
2. LED Key Light Minifigure Key Chain

Neither catalog entry specifies the color of the figure or the type of packaging.
Since we're not being specific with either catalog entry, I agree that it
would probably be appropriate to merge the catalog entries.

I see. Mine would then fall under LED Key Light Minifigure Key Chain since they
have the tag (and are also in an open polybag with an adhesive strip to "seal"
the bag). I was thinking it might be better to merge them in case an interested
buyer is only aware of one and not the other nearly identical entry and for sellers
to get more exposure (which would be my case

Author:

StormChaser

Posted:

May 20, 2020 11:08

Subject:

Re: Difference between keychain lights

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In Catalog, TheBohrok writes:

Author:

TheBohrok

Posted:

May 20, 2020 10:55

Subject:

Difference between keychain lights

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Open

Author:

toontexas

Posted:

May 20, 2020 09:52

Subject:

Re: One random part...

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In Catalog, Biglesdug writes:

In Catalog, opposingwinds writes:

Does anyone know why Brick Modified 1 x 2 x 2/3 No Studs, Wing End is
so expensive?? It's in more than 100 sets and I feel like it's quite
common. I came across several stores selling it for $1, even $2.

They are probably the same stores selling all their parts at 100%-200% market
value.

That's a bit rich from the seller of this part:

Author:

Biglesdug

Posted:

May 20, 2020 09:29

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Re: One random part...

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In Catalog, cycbuild writes:

In Catalog, runner.caller writes:

In Catalog, opposingwinds writes:

Which color?

Dark bley is way pricier than other colors, and mostly comes in very nice sets
(except this polybag)

30256-1 (Inv) Ice Bear Mech polybag
35 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 2015
Sets: LEGENDS OF CHIMA

People parting together the bat pod.

Author:

cycbuild

Posted:

May 20, 2020 09:16

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Re: One random part...

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In Catalog, runner.caller writes:

In Catalog, opposingwinds writes:

Which color?

Dark bley is way pricier than other colors, and mostly comes in very nice sets
(except this polybag)

30256-1 (Inv) Ice Bear Mech polybag
35 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 2015
Sets: LEGENDS OF CHIMA

Author:

Biglesdug

Posted:

May 20, 2020 08:59

Subject:

Re: One random part...

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In Catalog, opposingwinds writes:

They are probably the same stores selling all their parts at 100%-200% market
value.

Author:

starbeanie

Posted:

May 20, 2020 08:57

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Re: One random part...

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In what color?

In Catalog, opposingwinds writes:

Author:

runner.caller

Posted:

May 20, 2020 08:56

Subject:

Re: One random part...

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In Catalog, opposingwinds writes:

Which color?

Author:

opposingwinds

Posted:

May 20, 2020 08:22

Subject:

One random part...

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Open

Author:

SezaR

Posted:

May 20, 2020 04:44

Subject:

Re: Length of Electric, Wire and Connector 5306bc

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In Catalog, joel07 writes:

Hello, I would like clarification on the 5306bc electric, wire and connector.
The number next to it corresponds to the length of the cable, or is it the length
of the cable and the brick (for example 5306bc026) ?
Thank you for your answers.
Best regards,
Joel

C'est un projet qu'on a definit il y a deux ans:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1113705

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1136906

Jusqu'a ce qu'on travail sur le projet, on sais pas. Peronne ne sait.
Le longueur de la cable n'est pas bien definit donc ca peut etre tous ce
qu'on peut imaginer.

Comme j'ai verifie, le longueur des cables de train 7722 sur mes 5 examplaires
n'etaient pas exact en tout cas.

Author:

joel07

Posted:

May 20, 2020 04:19

Subject:

Length of Electric, Wire and Connector 5306bc

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Open

Author:

randyf

Posted:

May 19, 2020 16:42

Subject:

Re: Inventory for fabac3

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In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:

In Catalog, randyf writes:

In Catalog, normann1974 writes:

I would like to create an inventory for part

fabac3 (Inv) Fabuland Scooter with Black Handlebars and Light Gray Wheels
Parts: Fabuland

just like part

fabac1 (Inv) Fabuland Tricycle (1 Front Wheel) with Black Handlebars and Light Gray Wheels
Parts: Fabuland

has. But what part number should I use for the base?

If there is no number on it, then it gets a 'bb' number. The next available
'bb' number is bb1131.

Cheers,
Randy

Nope
It will be bb1133
A bb1131 and bb1132 were recently changed to corect numbers so those are occupied.
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogReqList.asp?viewYear=&viewMonth=&viewGeDate=&q=bb1131&viewStatus=A&itemType=&viewAction=*
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogReqList.asp?viewYear=&viewMonth=&viewGeDate=&q=bb1132&viewStatus=A&itemType=&viewAction=*

Oops. My bad. Obviously I can't keep up with everything happening on the
catalog side of things like you can!

Author:

Hygrotus

Posted:

May 19, 2020 16:33

Subject:

Re: Inventory for fabac3

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In Catalog, randyf writes:

In Catalog, normann1974 writes:

I would like to create an inventory for part

fabac3 (Inv) Fabuland Scooter with Black Handlebars and Light Gray Wheels
Parts: Fabuland

just like part

fabac1 (Inv) Fabuland Tricycle (1 Front Wheel) with Black Handlebars and Light Gray Wheels
Parts: Fabuland

has. But what part number should I use for the base?

If there is no number on it, then it gets a 'bb' number. The next available
'bb' number is bb1131.

Cheers,
Randy

Author:

randyf

Posted:

May 19, 2020 16:29

Subject:

Re: Inventory for fabac3

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In Catalog, normann1974 writes:

I would like to create an inventory for part

fabac3 (Inv) Fabuland Scooter with Black Handlebars and Light Gray Wheels
Parts: Fabuland

just like part

fabac1 (Inv) Fabuland Tricycle (1 Front Wheel) with Black Handlebars and Light Gray Wheels
Parts: Fabuland

has. But what part number should I use for the base?

If there is no number on it, then it gets a 'bb' number. The next available
'bb' number is bb1131.

Cheers,
Randy

Author:

normann1974

Posted:

May 19, 2020 16:19

Subject:

Inventory for fabac3

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Open

I would like to create an inventory for part

fabac3 (Inv) Fabuland Scooter with Black Handlebars and Light Gray Wheels
Parts: Fabuland

just like part

fabac1 (Inv) Fabuland Tricycle (1 Front Wheel) with Black Handlebars and Light Gray Wheels
Parts: Fabuland

has. But what part number should I use for the base?

/Jan

Author:

SylvainLS

Posted:

May 19, 2020 11:37

Subject:

Re: More Variants Discovered

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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

[…]
Fair point. But the same sets packaged in different factories or even at different
times in the same factory, or perhaps even at the same time in the same factory,
may contain different variants.

That other sets came out differently from the same (or not) factory at the same
time (or not) doesn’t change the fact that one set is as it was when it came
out of the factory.

All the sesterces are different, it doesn’t change the fact some of them can
be certified as being real antique coins from a certified time-period.

I stand by my opinion that period-specificity is at least somewhat delusional.

If you’re “bricklinking” the set.
And it also depends on your value of “good enough”: Do you trace all the parts,
asserting they came from boxes the siblings of the set you’re bricklinking?
Or are you content with “we know these variants were made around that time”?

So even if BL’s catalogue didn’t exist, one could still be proud of owning a
period-specific set.

True. But what does that even mean?

Well, you are the one who used the term

[…]
Because of the aforementioned variability in packaging for a given set, what
real meaning do the words "historically accurate" or "period-specific" even have?

There’s the same thing with cars: there are the “only original parts,” the “we
replaced some parts with others from the same manufacturer and period,” and the
“we used some 3D-printed parts” and so on. And some parts (chassis, engine…)
are more important than others (belts) and even on some important parts, some
modifications are allowed without removing value (remove rusted parts of the
body, weld some new bits).

There’s the same thing with all collectible items.

And the “meaning” of “historically accurate” or “period-specific” is not binary
(is / isn’t), it’s, like about every word, a gradation of what people agree it
is.
It can be discussed precisely, generally between a seller and a buyer, to translate
it in monetary value, but it’ll still be generally fuzzy.

Author:

StormChaser

Posted:

May 19, 2020 10:45

Subject:

Re: More Variants Discovered

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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:

One’s owning the set since it was bought sealed and never having mixed its parts
allows one to say one’s copy is historically accurate.
Or any certified track of the set and its parts from the time it was bought sealed
allows the latest owner to say their copy is historically accurate.

Fair point. But the same sets packaged in different factories or even at different
times in the same factory, or perhaps even at the same time in the same factory,
may contain different variants.

I stand by my opinion that period-specificity is at least somewhat delusional.

So even if BL’s catalogue didn’t exist, one could still be proud of owning a
period-specific set.

True. But what does that even mean?

I do not have a large personal collection of LEGO parts. I looked through my
parts collection recently to create the attached image of the variants in molded
printing (which BL doesn't even distinguish) for just one part. And I missed
including one in the photo, by the way.

Each part in the photo shows a distinct and separate variant of molded printing,
with the second from the top having none at all. And my rough estimate at this
point is that at least two thirds of all parts have actual mold variants, while
most parts in production for more than a couple years probably have one or many
molded printing variants.

Because of the aforementioned variability in packaging for a given set, what
real meaning do the words "historically accurate" or "period-specific" even have?

Author:

bje

Posted:

May 19, 2020 10:40

Subject:

Re: More Variants Discovered

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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

snip

I think I've figured out that, in addition to the other problems with variants,
BrickLink perpetuates the somewhat delusional thinking of pride in owning a period-specific
set.

Only if every single variant was thoroughly documented and also documented to
have appeared in that set could you say that your copy of a set is historically
accurate. And considering that many (if not most or all) parts have variants,
chasing those phantoms might become rather nonsensical at some point.

Don't know about the delusion so much, but I would be pretty ticked off if
somebody sold me a so-called used complete

10196-1 (Inv) Grand Carousel
3227 Parts, 9 Minifigures, 2009
Sets: Creator: Creator Expert: Fairground Collection

at $1 000 and it included
a bunch of modern cheap variants. Or worse still some early space sets with
the wrong clips, and LBG and DBG parts. It is all relative - someone like me
prefer to deal ith the correct thing at the correct time and I am prepared to
invest the time and effort in it. From experience with return buyers, I know
I am not alone. And yes, I've had buyers ask me to check pips, pins, hole
sizes, clips and mold numbers and send images prior to shipping and also to make
sure the variants and colour differences are correct. Of course I've also
had buyers who just do not care.

I personally would not go as far as to mention closed and open pins and combinations
thereof, but I find for the serious buyer it pays to find serious sellers, catalogue
failings notwithstanding

Author:

paulvdb

Posted:

May 19, 2020 10:32

Subject:

Re: More Variants Discovered

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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

3009pb028 Brick 1 x 6 with Black 'POLICE' and Red Line Pattern
Parts: Brick, Decorated

The note for this one can of course also be added to the unprinted 3009. And
probably a number of other decorated versions of this brick and other 1 x X bricks
and plates.

Author:

SylvainLS

Posted:

May 19, 2020 10:22

Subject:

Re: More Variants Discovered

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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

[…]
Only if every single variant was thoroughly documented and also documented to
have appeared in that set could you say that your copy of a set is historically
accurate.

Er, not exactly.
One’s owning the set since it was bought sealed and never having mixed its parts
allows one to say one’s copy is historically accurate.
Or any certified track of the set and its parts from the time it was bought sealed
allows the latest owner to say their copy is historically accurate.

So even if BL’s catalogue didn’t exist, one could still be proud of owning a
period-specific set.

And considering that many (if not most or all) parts have variants,
chasing those phantoms might become rather nonsensical at some point.

And the one who discovers a variant can’t even have the ego-boost of the variant
being named after them.
No “3961 stormchaserus” for you

Author:

StormChaser

Posted:

May 19, 2020 10:06

Subject:

Re: More Variants Discovered

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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

I just added comparison photos and additional notes for the following part variants

I've just added pictures and notes for ten more. A few are mildly interesting
and will be worth your time to see:

4871 Slope, Inverted 45 4 x 2 Double with 2 x 2 Cutout
Parts: Slope, Inverted

50956 Wedge 10 x 3 Right
Parts: Wedge

2431 Tile 1 x 4
Parts: Tile

6232 Brick, Modified 2 x 2 with Pin and Axle Hole
Parts: Brick, Modified

30387 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 Locking with 1 Finger Vertical End and 2 Fingers Vertical End
Parts: Hinge

61072 Plate, Modified 1 x 4 with Angled Tubes
Parts: Plate, Modified

3009pb028 Brick 1 x 6 with Black 'POLICE' and Red Line Pattern
Parts: Brick, Decorated

30237b Brick, Modified 1 x 2 with Open O Clip Thick (Vertical Grip)
Parts: Brick, Modified

62743 Plate, Modified 2 x 16 with Angled Side Extensions and Axle Hole (Rotor Blade)
Parts: Plate, Modified

3961 Dish 8 x 8 Inverted (Radar) - Solid Studs
Parts: Dish

Author:

bengreen28

Posted:

May 16, 2020 14:38

Subject:

Re: Part marked for deletion

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In Catalog, Proprietor writes:

List it in under the Sticker over Assembly number and indicate in your comments
that it’s the plate only and price it accordingly.

In Catalog, bengreen28 writes:

In Catalog, BricksThatStick writes:

In Catalog, LordSkylark writes:

In Catalog, BricksThatStick writes:

In Catalog Requests, bengreen28 writes:

Hi, I have a 1x2 plate that has a sticker on it, I have gone to list it and have
found that it is marked for deletion because the sticker was applied to the wrong
part.
I have got this model at home and also have the instructions for it. the sticker
has been applied to the correct part as it shows it clearly on the instructions.
Who do we contact in order to get the deletion cancelled?
Part number is 3023pb01, you can see clearly in the picture that the sticker
is applied to the 1x2 plate and not the mudguard.

Here is the thread from when it was removed from the inventory:

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=253659

The sticker now forms this assembly:

BA081pb01 Stickered Assembly 4 x 2 x 1 with 'Shell' Small Pattern on Both Sides (Stickers) - Set 6634 - 2 Plate 1 x 2, 1 Mudguard 2 x 4 with Arch Studded
Parts: Stickered Assembly

So the sticker is in the correct place but it covers more than 1 part (admittedly
only just)

The only problem is, because that is just barely over, a majority of people will
have the 1x2 plate with with the sticker in a lot rather than the entire assembly...

True but that leaves the sticker open to being damaged or getting gunk stuck
to it.

There's no reason why you can't sell it as an individual part but it
doesn't need it's own catalog entry as we are now happily accepting sticker
over assembly entries.

That's the problem though, there is a catalog entry for the part, I'm
unable to list it as it's marked for deletion. I only have one of the plates
and I also don't have the other parts to be able to list it in the sticker
over assembly entry.
So I end up with a part I can't list or I remove the sticker and list the
plate whilst binning the sticker.
This is not one from my set as that is complete and still has all the original
parts from when I bought it new.

Cool thanks I'll do that.

Author:

Proprietor

Posted:

May 16, 2020 14:23

Subject:

Re: Part marked for deletion

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List it in under the Sticker over Assembly number and indicate in your comments
that it’s the plate only and price it accordingly.

In Catalog, bengreen28 writes:

In Catalog, BricksThatStick writes:

In Catalog, LordSkylark writes:

In Catalog, BricksThatStick writes:

In Catalog Requests, bengreen28 writes:

Here is the thread from when it was removed from the inventory:

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=253659

The sticker now forms this assembly:

BA081pb01 Stickered Assembly 4 x 2 x 1 with 'Shell' Small Pattern on Both Sides (Stickers) - Set 6634 - 2 Plate 1 x 2, 1 Mudguard 2 x 4 with Arch Studded
Parts: Stickered Assembly

So the sticker is in the correct place but it covers more than 1 part (admittedly
only just)

The only problem is, because that is just barely over, a majority of people will
have the 1x2 plate with with the sticker in a lot rather than the entire assembly...

Author:

randyf

Posted:

May 16, 2020 13:54

Subject:

Re: Item 6468: problems?

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In Catalog, Gaston.La.Brick writes:

Hello,

the item 6468 is according to the catalog 1x3x4. This seems correct with the
picture.
However, it is referenced as being used in item 6460. That is not correct with
the dimensions.
I post a picture of the window/door that fits 6460. You can clearly see it fits,
but has other dimensions as item 6468.

Should the dimensions for 6468 be instead 1x3x3?

Cheers,
Randy

Author:

bengreen28

Posted:

May 16, 2020 12:06

Subject:

Re: Part marked for deletion

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In Catalog, BricksThatStick writes:

In Catalog, LordSkylark writes:

In Catalog, BricksThatStick writes:

In Catalog Requests, bengreen28 writes:

Here is the thread from when it was removed from the inventory:

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=253659

The sticker now forms this assembly:

BA081pb01 Stickered Assembly 4 x 2 x 1 with 'Shell' Small Pattern on Both Sides (Stickers) - Set 6634 - 2 Plate 1 x 2, 1 Mudguard 2 x 4 with Arch Studded
Parts: Stickered Assembly

So the sticker is in the correct place but it covers more than 1 part (admittedly
only just)

The only problem is, because that is just barely over, a majority of people will
have the 1x2 plate with with the sticker in a lot rather than the entire assembly...

Author:

Gaston.La.Brick

Posted:

May 16, 2020 10:06

Subject:

Item 6468: problems?

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Status:

Open

Author:

BricksThatStick

Posted:

May 16, 2020 08:09

Subject:

Re: Part marked for deletion

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Topic:

In Catalog, LordSkylark writes:

In Catalog, BricksThatStick writes:

In Catalog Requests, bengreen28 writes:

Here is the thread from when it was removed from the inventory:

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=253659

The sticker now forms this assembly:

BA081pb01 Stickered Assembly 4 x 2 x 1 with 'Shell' Small Pattern on Both Sides (Stickers) - Set 6634 - 2 Plate 1 x 2, 1 Mudguard 2 x 4 with Arch Studded
Parts: Stickered Assembly

So the sticker is in the correct place but it covers more than 1 part (admittedly
only just)

The only problem is, because that is just barely over, a majority of people will
have the 1x2 plate with with the sticker in a lot rather than the entire assembly...

Author:

LordSkylark

Posted:

May 16, 2020 05:41

Subject:

Re: Part marked for deletion

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In Catalog, BricksThatStick writes:

In Catalog Requests, bengreen28 writes:

Here is the thread from when it was removed from the inventory:

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=253659

The sticker now forms this assembly:

BA081pb01 Stickered Assembly 4 x 2 x 1 with 'Shell' Small Pattern on Both Sides (Stickers) - Set 6634 - 2 Plate 1 x 2, 1 Mudguard 2 x 4 with Arch Studded
Parts: Stickered Assembly

So the sticker is in the correct place but it covers more than 1 part (admittedly
only just)

The only problem is, because that is just barely over, a majority of people will
have the 1x2 plate with with the sticker in a lot rather than the entire assembly...

Author:

Cob

Posted:

May 16, 2020 01:43

Subject:

Re: Lego pin 006 & 005 in different colors

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In Catalog, Hendrik_Brands writes:

Hello,

It came to my attention that the following parts Pin006 & pin005 are only listed
in the color red. Although there are much more colors: green, blue, white, silver,
yellow and black. I hope these could be added!

Yours sincerely,
Hendrik Brands

Wow, what a nice collection!

Author:

StormChaser

Posted:

May 15, 2020 20:42

Subject:

Re: Lego pin 006 & 005 in different colors

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Topic:

In Catalog, Hendrik_Brands writes:

It came to my attention that the following parts Pin006 & pin005 are only listed
in the color red. Although there are much more colors: green, blue, white, silver,
yellow and black. I hope these could be added!

Traditionally for gear new catalog entries weren't added for every color
when items came in multiple colors. Like clothing wasn't added in every
possible size for each item of clothing.

With your permission, though, we can add your photo to each catalog entry so
that people will be aware of the array of colors for these pins.

Author:

Brands_Bricks

Posted:

May 15, 2020 19:10

Subject:

Lego pin 006 & 005 in different colors

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Topic:

Status:

Open

Author:

BricksThatStick

Posted:

May 15, 2020 18:05

Subject:

Re: Part marked for deletion

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In Catalog Requests, bengreen28 writes:

Here is the thread from when it was removed from the inventory:

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=253659

The sticker now forms this assembly:

BA081pb01 Stickered Assembly 4 x 2 x 1 with 'Shell' Small Pattern on Both Sides (Stickers) - Set 6634 - 2 Plate 1 x 2, 1 Mudguard 2 x 4 with Arch Studded
Parts: Stickered Assembly

So the sticker is in the correct place but it covers more than 1 part (admittedly
only just)

Author:

bengreen28

Posted:

May 15, 2020 16:56

Subject:

Part marked for deletion

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Status:

Open

Author:

Adjour

Posted:

May 15, 2020 12:00

Subject:

Re: Can I see Imperial units for Catalog entries?

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In Catalog, paulvdb writes:

In Catalog, Yo_Yo_Flamingo writes:

Is there any way for me to view the weight/dimensions of a set from its catalog
entry in Imperial units (pounds/inches- ghastly, I know, but I live in America)?
I commonly use this when quoting shipping for a buyer so I don't have to
dig out a set every time someone asks, but it is always a little bit of hassle
to convert grams to pounds and cm to inches.

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogOptions.asp?viewFrom=P

Omg thank you.

Author:

popsicle

Posted:

May 15, 2020 10:57

Subject:

Re: Can I see Imperial units for Catalog entries?

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In Catalog, paulvdb writes:

In Catalog, Yo_Yo_Flamingo writes:

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogOptions.asp?viewFrom=P

I'm a little surprised that TLG has keep that in place, as global-minded
as they are. Not complaining, I also appreciate the ability to use the system
that's more intuitive for me.

Author:

Yo_Yo_Flamingo

Posted:

May 15, 2020 10:48

Subject:

Re: Can I see Imperial units for Catalog entries?

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In Catalog, paulvdb writes:

In Catalog, Yo_Yo_Flamingo writes:

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogOptions.asp?viewFrom=P

You're amazing, Mate! Thanks 3000!

Author:

paulvdb

Posted:

May 15, 2020 10:47

Subject:

Re: Can I see Imperial units for Catalog entries?

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Topic:

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogOptions.asp?viewFrom=P

In Catalog, Yo_Yo_Flamingo writes:

Author:

Yo_Yo_Flamingo

Posted:

May 15, 2020 10:39

Subject:

Can I see Imperial units for Catalog entries?

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Topic:

Status:

Open

Author:

StormChaser

Posted:

May 15, 2020 10:21

Subject:

Re: White sheep problem

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Topic:

In Catalog, Soviet writes:

What to do, I wonder?

Send in the new sheep and we'll figure out a title for it.

Author:

Soviet

Posted:

May 15, 2020 09:26

Subject:

White sheep problem

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Status:

Open

Hey, I'm trying to help with the 21159 set, but it would be my first inventory
job, so I'm hitting a block early on.

It looks like the set has one of those:

minesheep04 (Inv) Minecraft Sheep, Red, Sheared - Brick Built
Parts: Animal, Land

but in white. Meanwhile, the name "Minecraft Sheep, White - Brick Built" is already
taken by:

minesheep01 (Inv) Minecraft Sheep, White, Plate 2 x 2 on Back - Brick Built
Parts: Animal, Land

which has a different build (plates instead of brick). What to do, I wonder?

Author:

enig

Posted:

May 13, 2020 17:22

Subject:

Re: 2555 - even more variants

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In Catalog, edeevo writes:

In Catalog, enig writes:

Happy day

The time that is spent differentiating between mold variants is
certainly not worth it money-wise, but worth it in other ways.

A customer purchased some classic 2555's. Apparently we still sent two different
variants to him. Sure, most of the older parts have various mini-differences,
just never thought anyone would actually care about getting a specific variant.
Either way, I was not aware of this particular difference.

Our customer described it as 'The wider ones and the narrower ones' and
sent us a picture, circling the different variants. A bit hard to see, I am attaching
one more.

The difference itself is in the sharpness of the outside/inside edges - the very
tops the clips. Principally kind of similar to the difference between classic
and modern 2555, except much more subtle. Difficult to judge if looking at the
edge itself, but becomes easy when comparing from the top view. At least when
you have two pieces to compare

The left one has, call it, completely sharp edge. The right one has a slight
roundness to it. That rounding comes at a cost of reducing the top surface area
of the clip.

Complete list of the differences between the two:

The 'flat top' type:
* Sharper edge / bigger top surface area of the clip
* mold pip on a side
* now looking from yet another side, the sidewall of the clip is completely straight
in all dimensions - does not get narrower towards the top and forms a straight
rectangle (the last picture)

The 'slightly slightly rounded top'
* Slightly rounded top edge of the clip, reduced flat surface area of the top
* mold pip at the bottom
* sidewall is of slightly concave shape - forms a trapezoid

Some more differences, but only concerns the construction of the mold and the
ejection pins placement.

Question(s).
1 - How many of you have/have not noticed this particular difference before?
Curious.

2 - any other different classic 2555s than these two?

I'd say it's pretty commonly known; the squared-top kind are the older
type, whereas the rounded-top kind are newer (the catalog entry has a note indicating
the difference)...

I actually keep the two types separated in my inventory in anticipation of a
new entry for each--which will likely never happen--but having each type
together really helps me to give a Buyer the same type whenever they buy any.

Life is Good.
~Ed.

Yeah that's how my employee was looking at this too. We nearly got into an
actual argument over this haha.

It's not the BL described difference that I am talking about. The key part
addressing this in the OP is:

The difference itself is in the sharpness of the outside/inside edges - the
very tops the clips. Principally kind of similar to the difference between classic
and modern 2555, except much more subtle.

Will get back to this tomorrow I guess, with more pictures comparing these to
the newer 2555s.

Author:

edeevo

Posted:

May 13, 2020 17:05

Subject:

Re: 2555 - even more variants

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In Catalog, enig writes:

Happy day

I'd say it's pretty commonly known; the squared-top kind are the older
type, whereas the rounded-top kind are newer (the catalog entry has a note indicating
the difference)...

Life is Good.
~Ed.

Author:

James2506

Posted:

May 13, 2020 16:47

Subject:

Re: Why oh why Batman Sh016b

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Topic:

Thanks!

I built myself an Sh016b today using spare parts from my other figures so your
method has its benefits - i dont have to keep buying new sets - although i do
own the SDCC Gotham Skyline set - just refuse to open it.

James

In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:

In Catalog, James2506 writes:

So in the coming summer sets for DC Batman we are getting another black Sh016
batman but a new cape (very cool looking glide cape) - so we should expect Sh016c
in the Penguin Boat Chase.

In set 75168 will be new number for Batman as cape has totally different shape
so this will be Batman assembly with new part not being varian of previous capes
This cape isn't a varian to capes

56630 Minifigure Cape Cloth with Top Holes and Scalloped 5 Points Bottom (Batman), Long, Circle Neck Cut - Traditional Starched Fabric
Parts: Minifigure, Body Wear {Black}

and
[p=56630b,11]
and

19185 Minifigure Cape Cloth with Top Holes and Scalloped 5 Points Bottom (Batman), Long, Circle Neck Cut - Spongy Stretchable Fabric
Parts: Minifigure, Body Wear {Black}

New part in assembly not part variant so new number not a, b or c

We are also getting another dark grey batman with
gold outline belt with the same new cape so he should get Sh589a in the Mobile
Bat Base and Joker Trike Chase. Interestingly they are releasing these with
3 capes in each set so are we going to get 3 variants in a single set!!!! Oh
my head hurts.

For other two Batman sets policy is clear only one minfig can be accepted in
assembly as showed firstly in building instruction. So when minfig has in alternates
for it assembly only fisrt showed version in instruction is approved.
For example

Minifig No: sw0931 Name: Poe Dameron (Pilot Jumpsuit, Hair Swept Left Tousled)

sw0931 (Inv) Poe Dameron (Pilot Jumpsuit, Hair Swept Left Tousled)
Minifigures: Star Wars: Star Wars Episode 7

in set

75273-1 (Inv) Poe Dameron's X-wing Fighter
744 Parts, 4 Minifigures, 2020
Sets: Star Wars: Star Wars Episode 9

can be with hair or helmet.
but in instruction
https://www.lego.com/biassets/bi/6310759.pdf
it is firstly showed assembled with hair then with helmet
so only with hair is being accepted for this set, we don't crate second entry
with helmet.

Author:

enig

Posted:

May 13, 2020 16:26

Subject:

2555 - even more variants

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Status:

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Happy day

Author:

yorbrick

Posted:

May 13, 2020 16:19

Subject:

Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts P - R

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Topic:

In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

In Catalog, yorbrick writes:

I don't think the definitions should be so focussed.

I've modified the Propeller definition to this:

For items with circularly-spinning blades, including accessories and component
parts.

30194 Minifigure, Utensil Tool Circular Blade Saw
Parts: Minifigure, Utensil

Author:

bje

Posted:

May 13, 2020 15:06

Subject:

Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts V-

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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:

In Catalog, bje writes:

[…]
Wheel - For items that is a solid disk or a rigid circular ring connected
by spokes to a hub, designed to turn, which may or may not fit tire and tread.

Hmm, those are wheels:

874 Vehicle, Tractor Chassis Steering Wheel
Parts: Vehicle

3736 Technic, Steering Pulley Large
Parts: Technic, Steering

2741 Technic, Steering Wheel Large
Parts: Technic, Steering

2819 Technic, Steering Wheel Small, 3 Studs Diameter
Parts: Technic, Steering

30633 Windscreen 4 x 6 x 4 Canopy with Hinge
Parts: Windscreen

and fit your description but I’m not sure we’d want them in the Wheel category

Me neither, Let me sleep on it though

snip

Dang. No one ever agree with anyone, not even lexicologists.

(French “véhicule” (the etymon) admits the “extended” usages.)

And in Afrikaans (voertuig) any mobile machine used for transport.... which can
makes things easier or more difficult

Author:

SylvainLS

Posted:

May 13, 2020 14:28

Subject:

Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts V-

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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:

[…]

30663 Vehicle, Steering Wheel Small, 2 Studs Diameter
Parts: Vehicle

not 30633

Author:

SylvainLS

Posted:

May 13, 2020 14:26

Subject:

Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts V-

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In Catalog, bje writes:

[…]
Wheel - For items that is a solid disk or a rigid circular ring connected
by spokes to a hub, designed to turn, which may or may not fit tire and tread.

Hmm, those are wheels:

874 Vehicle, Tractor Chassis Steering Wheel
Parts: Vehicle

3736 Technic, Steering Pulley Large
Parts: Technic, Steering

2741 Technic, Steering Wheel Large
Parts: Technic, Steering

2819 Technic, Steering Wheel Small, 3 Studs Diameter
Parts: Technic, Steering

30633 Windscreen 4 x 6 x 4 Canopy with Hinge
Parts: Windscreen

and fit your description but I’m not sure we’d want them in the Wheel category

[…]
2. A vehicle is by definition only something with wheels for land transport.
Consider rather moving the aircraft section out.

By which definition?

A vehicle is a means of transporting, carrying, something or someone. I don’t
see anything preventing vehicle to be used for aircrafts or boats.

Indeed, this is from WP ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle ):
“A vehicle (from Latin: vehiculum[1]) is a machine that transports people or
cargo. Vehicles include wagons, bicycles, motor vehicles (motorcycles, cars,
trucks, buses), railed vehicles (trains, trams), watercraft (ships, boats), amphibious
vehicles (screw-propelled vehicle, hovercraft), aircraft (airplanes, helicopters)
and spacecraft.[2]”
The references are [1] OED and [2] MacMillan Contemporary Dictionary.

Dang. No one ever agree with anyone, not even lexicologists.

(French “véhicule” (the etymon) admits the “extended” usages.)

Also, we have aircraft and boat sections, which presumably should exclude those
from being in another section.

Okay.

Author:

StormChaser

Posted:

May 13, 2020 14:07

Subject:

Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts P - R

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In Catalog, yorbrick writes:

I don't think the definitions should be so focussed.

I've modified the Propeller definition to this:

For items with circularly-spinning blades, including accessories and component
parts.

Author:

StormChaser

Posted:

May 13, 2020 14:06

Subject:

Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Plate

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In Catalog, bje writes:

Plate - For items nearly identical in use to building bricks that are one
third as tall, have one or more studs, and for which all corners are square.

Thank you for pointing out the problem with the current definition. We'll
keep hammering away at these until we get them right.

I have modified it to this:

For items similar to building bricks that are one third as tall, have top surfaces
evenly covered in studs, and for which all corners are square.

Will this better define what should be a plate?

Author:

bje

Posted:

May 13, 2020 13:57

Subject:

Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts V-

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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:

In Catalog, bje writes:

[…]
Wheel - For items that is a solid disk or a rigid circular ring connected
by spokes to a hub, designed to turn around an axle passed through the centre,
which may or may not fit tire and tread. Note 6

Potential problem with “axle”: it could be understood as “Technic axle.”
Maybe it should be amended with examples, like “(Technic axle, Technic pin, or
wheel pin).”

Hmm, you are right, I was trying to move away from the hub idea. Maybe leave
off the axle part altogether then:
Wheel - For items that is a solid disk or a rigid circular ring connected

by spokes to a hub, designed to turn, which may or may not fit tire and tread.

[…]
2. A vehicle is by definition only something with wheels for land transport.
Consider rather moving the aircraft section out.

Vehicle noun (MACHINE)
B1 [ C ] formal
a machine, usually with wheels and an engine, used for transporting people or
goods on land, especially on roads
Cambridge English Dictionary set to US English specifically

Also, we have aircraft and boat sections, which presumably should exclude those
from being in another section.

Author:

Hygrotus

Posted:

May 13, 2020 13:49

Subject:

Re: Why oh why Batman Sh016b

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In Catalog, James2506 writes:

So in the coming summer sets for DC Batman we are getting another black Sh016
batman but a new cape (very cool looking glide cape) - so we should expect Sh016c
in the Penguin Boat Chase.

In set 75168 will be new number for Batman as cape has totally different shape
so this will be Batman assembly with new part not being varian of previous capes
This cape isn't a varian to capes

56630 Minifigure Cape Cloth with Top Holes and Scalloped 5 Points Bottom (Batman), Long, Circle Neck Cut - Traditional Starched Fabric
Parts: Minifigure, Body Wear {Black}

and
[p=56630b,11]
and

19185 Minifigure Cape Cloth with Top Holes and Scalloped 5 Points Bottom (Batman), Long, Circle Neck Cut - Spongy Stretchable Fabric
Parts: Minifigure, Body Wear {Black}

New part in assembly not part variant so new number not a, b or c

sw0931 (Inv) Poe Dameron (Pilot Jumpsuit, Hair Swept Left Tousled)
Minifigures: Star Wars: Star Wars Episode 7

in set

75273-1 (Inv) Poe Dameron's X-wing Fighter
744 Parts, 4 Minifigures, 2020
Sets: Star Wars: Star Wars Episode 9

Author:

SylvainLS

Posted:

May 13, 2020 13:44

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Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts V-

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In Catalog, bje writes:

Potential problem with “axle”: it could be understood as “Technic axle.”
Maybe it should be amended with examples, like “(Technic axle, Technic pin, or
wheel pin).”

[…]
2. A vehicle is by definition only something with wheels for land transport.
Consider rather moving the aircraft section out.

Author:

James2506

Posted:

May 13, 2020 13:16

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Re: Why oh why Batman Sh016b

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So in the coming summer sets for DC Batman we are getting another black Sh016
batman but a new cape (very cool looking glide cape) - so we should expect Sh016c
in the Penguin Boat Chase. We are also getting another dark grey batman with
gold outline belt with the same new cape so he should get Sh589a in the Mobile
Bat Base and Joker Trike Chase. Interestingly they are releasing these with
3 capes in each set so are we going to get 3 variants in a single set!!!! Oh
my head hurts.

Thanks

In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:

In Catalog, axaday writes:

In Catalog, James2506 writes:

I think each variant should get a fresh number. Certainly the faces do even
though the rest of the fig remains the same. It just happened with Mr Freeze
too - the dark Peary grey now has two unique numbers when all that changed was
the neck bracket and weapon.

How do we ask Admins to consider changing the naming first given?

I am sure an admin will see this thread.

It's not a for sure thing. They also have to weigh in how it will affect
stores to have the name change. They may have labelled things. Just adding
a or b on the end is much gentler for that.

When minfigs assembly is exactly the same but there is just one minior change
in part variant minfigs is classified as variant minfig and gets a or b or c
if there are more variants.

In Batman case all three are the same just one part is in differnt part variant
in sh016 and sh016a and now sh016b is the same assembly as sh016a just cape is
in diffrent part variant. It is a quite common practice (not always consistent,
but I try to keep it consistent)

Minfigs gest new number when assembly is diffrent for example wjhen for this
Batmon would be added totally differnt part

Example with Mr Freeze is good it got nee number as assembly is different, this
minfig has additiona parts so it makes an assembly different.

so few example

Minifig No: sw0004 Name: Darth Vader (Light Gray Head)

sw0004 (Inv) Darth Vader (Light Gray Head)
Minifigures: Star Wars: Star Wars Episode 4/5/6

Minifig No: sw0004a Name: Darth Vader (Light Bluish Gray Head)

sw0004a (Inv) Darth Vader (Light Bluish Gray Head)
Minifigures: Star Wars: Star Wars Episode 4/5/6

assembly the same just the head has different color

Minifig No: sw0636 Name: Darth Vader (Type 2 Helmet)

sw0636 (Inv) Darth Vader (Type 2 Helmet)
Minifigures: Star Wars: Star Wars Episode 4/5/6

Minifig No: sw0636b Name: Darth Vader (Type 2 Helmet, Spongy Cape)

sw0636b (Inv) Darth Vader (Type 2 Helmet, Spongy Cape)
Minifigures: Star Wars

assembly the same just cape variant changed

but

Minifig No: sw0744 Name: Darth Vader (White Head, Rebels)

sw0744 (Inv) Darth Vader (White Head, Rebels)
Minifigures: Star Wars: Star Wars Rebels

Minifig No: sw0834 Name: Darth Vader (Light Nougat Head, Plain Arms)

sw0834 (Inv) Darth Vader (Light Nougat Head, Plain Arms)
Minifigures: Star Wars

new numbers as totally different heads are in there

but when print on the head si only small variation minfig is consider also variant
and gets an a

Minifig No: trn227 Name: Overalls with Tools in Pocket, Blue Legs, Red Short Bill Cap, Glasses with Brown Thin Eyebrows

trn227 (Inv) Overalls with Tools in Pocket, Blue Legs, Red Short Bill Cap, Glasses with Brown Thin Eyebrows
Minifigures: Train

Minifig No: trn227a Name: Overalls with Tools in Pocket, Blue Legs, Red Short Bill Cap, Glasses with Red Thin Eyebrows

trn227a (Inv) Overalls with Tools in Pocket, Blue Legs, Red Short Bill Cap, Glasses with Red Thin Eyebrows
Minifigures: Train

brown eybrows vs red eyebrows, very minor difference beside that minfigs are
identical

recently added

twt002 (Inv) Poppy
Minifigures: Trolls World Tour

Minifig No: twt005 Name: Poppy with Cupcake

twt005 (Inv) Poppy with Cupcake
Minifigures: Trolls World Tour

Minifig No: twt009 Name: Poppy with Cupcake and Swirl

twt009 (Inv) Poppy with Cupcake and Swirl
Minifigures: Trolls World Tour

these have different numbers as they are different assemblies, every one have
additional parts there, but for example if suddenly LEGO would start produce
cupcae in different mold variant and it would be discovered then one with mold
variant of such part would get variant with the same number and added a

when you look through catalog teher really a lot of "a" and "b" variants of minifigs
in very different themes

So important is how significant if change of similar character or minfigs. Slight
change, only different part variant but whole assembly the same. This is minfig
variant with the same number but with a added. Only slight change in prinbt also
only a variant. Significant print change or aditional parts added which makes
it different assembty, new number.

some more examples

Minifig No: sw0250 Name: Crix Madine, Dark Tan Hips and Legs

sw0250 (Inv) Crix Madine, Dark Tan Hips and Legs
Minifigures: Star Wars: Star Wars Episode 4/5/6

Minifig No: sw0250a Name: Crix Madine, Tan Hips and Legs

sw0250a (Inv) Crix Madine, Tan Hips and Legs
Minifigures: Star Wars: Star Wars Episode 4/5/6

Minifig No: sw0441 Name: Droideka (Destroyer Droid) - Pearl Dark Gray Arms Mechanical

sw0441 (Inv) Droideka (Destroyer Droid) - Pearl Dark Gray Arms Mechanical
Minifigures: Star Wars: Star Wars Episode 2

Minifig No: sw0441a Name: Droideka (Destroyer Droid) - Flat Silver Arms Mechanical

sw0441a (Inv) Droideka (Destroyer Droid) - Flat Silver Arms Mechanical
Minifigures: Star Wars: Star Wars The Clone Wars

Minifig No: sw0527 Name: Astromech Droid, R2-D2, Flat Silver Head, Red Dots and Small Receptor

sw0527 (Inv) Astromech Droid, R2-D2, Flat Silver Head, Red Dots and Small Receptor
Minifigures: Star Wars

Minifig No: sw0527a Name: Astromech Droid, R2-D2, Flat Silver Head, Lavender Dots and Small Receptor

sw0527a (Inv) Astromech Droid, R2-D2, Flat Silver Head, Lavender Dots and Small Receptor
Minifigures: Star Wars

only chane of color of the photoreceptor

Minifig No: sw1085 Name: Astromech Droid, R2-D2, Flat Silver Head, Dark Pink Dots and Large Receptor

sw1085 (Inv) Astromech Droid, R2-D2, Flat Silver Head, Dark Pink Dots and Large Receptor
Minifigures: Star Wars

but here more significant print change

ok there are meny meny more examples

so numeration of those batmans stays as they are as those minfigs hase the same
assemblies only parts are in different mold variants
normal cape vs spongy cape
type of mask also mold variant

the same here only mask mold change

Minifig No: sh025 Name: Batman - Light Bluish Gray Suit with Yellow Belt and Crest, Dark Blue Mask and Cape (Type 1 Cowl)

sh025 (Inv) Batman - Light Bluish Gray Suit with Yellow Belt and Crest, Dark Blue Mask and Cape (Type 1 Cowl)
Minifigures: Super Heroes: Batman II

Minifig No: sh025a Name: Batman - Light Bluish Gray Suit with Yellow Belt and Crest, Dark Blue Mask and Cape (Type 2 Cowl)

sh025a (Inv) Batman - Light Bluish Gray Suit with Yellow Belt and Crest, Dark Blue Mask and Cape (Type 2 Cowl)
Minifigures: Super Heroes: Batman II

but here different heads, so different assemblies and new numbers

Minifig No: sh312 Name: Batman - Utility Belt, Head Type 1

sh312 (Inv) Batman - Utility Belt, Head Type 1
Minifigures: Super Heroes: The LEGO Batman Movie

Minifig No: sh318 Name: Batman - Utility Belt, Head Type 2

sh318 (Inv) Batman - Utility Belt, Head Type 2
Minifigures: Super Heroes: The LEGO Batman Movie

Minifig No: sh329 Name: Batman - Utility Belt, Head Type 3

sh329 (Inv) Batman - Utility Belt, Head Type 3
Minifigures: Super Heroes: The LEGO Batman Movie

(btw name should be change here to get rid of type 1, 2 and 3, describtion of
faces exspressions should be here as all heads have different prints like here
for example https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?pg=1&catString=971&catType=M&v=1)

Hope this is more clear now why ve have minfigs variants marked as a nad b

Author:

bje

Posted:

May 13, 2020 13:12

Subject:

Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Plate

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In Catalog, bje writes:

35470 Tile, Modified 3 x 5 Cloud
Parts: Tile, Modified

which will be a round plate

Author:

bje

Posted:

May 13, 2020 13:10

Subject:

Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Plate

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In Catalog, bje writes:
New definition:
Plate - For items nearly identical in use to building bricks that are one
third as tall, have one or more studs, and for which all corners are square.

Sorry, but is it the intention that these parts and a few other similar ones
are to be moved to category plates as they all satisfy that definition?

33909 Tile, Modified 2 x 2 with Studs on Edge
Parts: Tile, Modified

92593 Plate, Modified 1 x 4 with 2 Studs without Groove
Parts: Plate, Modified

88646 Tile, Modified 3 x 4 with 4 Studs in Center
Parts: Tile, Modified

35470 Tile, Modified 3 x 5 Cloud
Parts: Tile, Modified

6205 Tile, Modified 6 x 16 with Studs on Edges
Parts: Tile, Modified

34103 Plate, Modified 1 x 3 with 2 Studs (Double Jumper)
Parts: Plate, Modified

87580 Plate, Modified 2 x 2 with Groove and 1 Stud in Center (Jumper)
Parts: Plate, Modified

The concern I have is that we are moving away from the plate being a representation
of a brick in 1/3 height as TLG defines it as well. There are at present no bricks
with missing studs along the top, so should plates not be the same? IOW if there
are studs missing, we class that as normal for a plate and not a modification.
Or am I just reading the definition wrong (in which case it is probably not meeting
expectations

)

This does impact on what tiles are as well (plates with no studs essentially),
so best to get it out of the way.

Author:

bje

Posted:

May 13, 2020 12:43

Subject:

Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts V-

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I'll hopefully have the final T-section ready by tomorrow

Definitions – Section V Parts

Vehicle - For a sub-theme of Legoland sets that featured vehicles released
from the early 1960s to the late 1970s. Note1

Vehicle, Base - For items that function as a platform on which to construct
vehicles and their accessories. Note 2

Vehicle, Mudguard - For items that combined make up the wheel well, fender
and fender flares on vehicles and the mudguards on riding cycles. Note 3

Definitions – Section W Parts

Wedge - For items other than plates that have a narrow edge at one end
and a wider edge at the other end. Note 4

Wedge, Plate - For plates that have a narrow edge at one end and a wider
edge at the other end. Note 5

Wheel - For items that is a solid disk or a rigid circular ring connected
by spokes to a hub, designed to turn around an axle passed through the centre,
which may or may not fit tire and tread. Note 6

Wheel & Tire Assembly - For items that are a combination of a wheel and
a tire.

Wheel, Accessory - For items that are parts of entire wheels, wheel axles
and other wheel accessories such as wheel covers.

Window - For the frame of an opening in a structure or vehicle that afford
the ability to see out. Note 7

Windscreen - For items used as the front window glass in vehicles, aircraft,
ships and trains for wind protection and which are not panels.

Wing - For items that perform the function of flight support for aircraft.
Note 8

Definitions – Section Miscellaneous

(Other) - For items that are specific to the BrickLink catalog. Note
9

Notes:
1. Certainly this cannot be correct in terms of parts for vehicles? Consider
adding parts specific to vehicles as well.

2. A vehicle is by definition only something with wheels for land transport.
Consider rather moving the aircraft section out.

3. Vehicles do not have mud guards, so the combination of parts that make up
the wheel well and its cover (fender, fender flares) are used by definition.
There are presently no parts that make up a quarter panel. Mudguards are only
in use by cycles by definition. Some of the fast food racer parts are bases?

4. To avoid the circular definition. Unless stated as bricks, modified bricks,
slopes, inverted slopes, etc it is maybe easier to just exclude plates from being
wedges.

5. To avoid the circular definition.

6. The hub is only the thing to which spokes are connected and is not for all
wheels. Also, not all wheels get tire and tread (trolley wheels).

7. The opening itself is generally accepted as the window and the frame into
which the glass is placed is the window frame. I might still be better to combine
these with door frames as just frames.

8. Flight management is, respectfully, performed by rudders and ailerons

9. The death knell of a good catalogue – other?? Good thing they are last Those
are only BrickLink entries.

Author:

yorbrick

Posted:

May 13, 2020 12:19

Subject:

Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts P - R

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I'd shorten the definition to say two or more blades that spin around. Even then
what about the individual blades that are listed there?

Author:

yorbrick

Posted:

May 13, 2020 12:18

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Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts P - R

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Propeller - For items with two or more blades that spin round at speed
to provide movement or control for ships, boats and aircraft. Note 8

What about submarines, spacecraft or land based vehicles such as high speed cars.
I don't think the definitions should be so focussed.

Then there are these types ...

30078 Propeller 6 Blade Fan 8 x 8
Parts: Propeller

Introduced as windmill / turbines.

If shorten the definition to say two of more blades that spin around. Even then
what about the individual blades that are listed there?

Author:

StormChaser

Posted:

May 13, 2020 09:59

Subject:

Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts P - R

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In Catalog, bje writes:

A word on plates:

I'm working on this now, but I have to say that this whole enterprise of
defining categories makes me think very much of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFrdqQZ8FFc

Author:

bje

Posted:

May 13, 2020 07:54

Subject:

Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts P - R

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A word on plates:
Some plates are not complete in the number of studs as to the size of the plate.
See for example

92593 Plate, Modified 1 x 4 with 2 Studs without Groove
Parts: Plate, Modified

or what are currently some parts classed as tiles.
The TLG definition of a part being 1/3 high should be carried over and plates
should be standard if it has studs completely over it length and width. But
the modified plate section presents a problem if plates are only to be 1/3 high
inclusive of the modification.

Definitions – Section P Parts

Panel - For items that have at least one flat surface to function as a divider
or wall, with or without studs on top.

Paper - For items made of paper or card. Note 1

Plant - For shrubs, stems, leaves, flowers, vines, roots, and related
items and accessories, excluding trees.

Plant, Tree - For plants with wooden trunks, including stumps. Note
2

Plastic - For items made of thin, flexible plastic sheets. Note 3

Plate - For items which are one third the height of a brick with straight
sides, square corners and studs covering the entire top. Note 4

Plate, Modified - For plates that do not have studs entirely over the
top and/or include some attachment or shape modification which can make it higher.
Note 5

Plate, Round - For plates that have one or more rounded corners and with
or without attachments and/or modifications. Note 6

Pneumatic - For items that produce or use pressurized air to perform mechanical
functions and their accessories. Note 7

Projectile Launcher - For any item that serves the primary function of
launching a projectile, their accessories and projectiles made to fit.

Propeller - For items with two or more blades that spin round at speed
to provide movement or control for ships, boats and aircraft. Note 8

Definitions – Section R Parts

Riding Cycle - For bicycles, motorcycles, scooters, tricycles and ATV's
and their accessories.

Ring - For circular items with or without attachments.

Road Sign - For items which are the unadorned backing of decorations such
as signs, notices, signboards or warnings. Note 9.

Rock - For items resembling single rocks or clusters of rocks, including
decorative items carved from rock, jewels, and rock-like ice formations.

Roof - For items primarily designed to protectively cover a structure
and their accessories. Note 10

Rubber Band & Belt - For elastic items and their accessories that are
typically used to perform a mechanical function in a model. Note 11

Notes:
1. Used the same wording as for felt, foam etc.

2. Trunk being the modifier here. Some leaves and top parts to move to the plant
category, unless tree leaves and stems are to be included in the tree definition?

3. Used the same wording as for felt, foam, paper etc.

4. See opening remarks, also to exclude modifications

5. See opening remarks, also to include modifications;

6. Round plates have round corners and modifications added unless new category
for modified round plates are made

7. Pneumatic uses pressurized air for mechanical function

8. Cowlings, housings etc should rather be under the aircraft or boat section,
see engine parts already there.

9. The undecorated parts respectfully does not actually function as the warning
or notice by itself. The decoration is required for the current definition,
which is then only applicable to decorated parts. What is in the category are
the plain backings used for the signage

10. These are only structural roofs

11. Elastic used as these bands and belts return to their original shape and
are not designed to be permanently stretched.

Author:

bje

Posted:

May 12, 2020 12:48

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Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts S sect

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As requested the S and T sections to follow.

Quick discussion for slopes:

A slope can be viewed as a special modified brick (item with 4 straight sides
and studs on top) with at least one side of it being an angle. This precludes
some parts from being slopes altogether as anything without a stud on top will
then be a curve to allow for continuous or joined lines. So in this view a slope
is a brick with at least one side set at an angle and a curve would be anything
that is not a slope brick; or

A slope is a type of part all by itself, in which case the only differential
must be angles vs curves. In this view a slope is an item with angled sides,
with or without top studs. A sloped curve will then be an item with curved sides,
with or without top studs and with or without modification.

Curves as a stand alone category was not considered. An angle should refer to
a straight line not on the horizontal or vertical plane, and a curve to a line
which bends continuously with no straight parts. Given this I went with slopes
and curves being items by themselves, rather than to contort brick definitions
to fit a description or to create new categories.

Definitions – Section S parts

Scala, Figure Accessory - For items of clothing and other accessories
intended to be worn or used by Scala figures. Note 1

Slide - For items with a smooth, sloping side which allows quick travel
from higher to lower elevations. Note 2

Slope - For items with one or more sides angled from bottom to top, with
or without studs on top. Note 3

Slope, Curved - For items with one or more curved sides, with or without
studs on top. Note 4

Slope, Inverted - For items with one or more sides angled from top to
bottom and which may include an attachment or modification. Note 5

Soft Bricks - For sets and other items featuring large bricks and accessories
created from soft plastic and released from the late 1990s to the mid 2010s.
Note 6

Special Assembly – For items from specific sets which is an identifiably
complete usable part of the set including complete vehicles and complete larger
scale figures and – animals, but excluding buildings and recognized part assemblies.
Note 7

Spring - For items which are coiled, can be compressed and will return
to their usual shape once released. Note 8

Stairs - For items that a complete set of steps that leading from one
level to another, or for the individual steps in a stairs. Note 9

Sticker Over Assembly - For stickers that require more than one part to complete
the adhesive surface. Note 10

Sticker Sheet – All of the stickers included in a set as attached to the
complete adhesive backing paper/s for that set. Note 11

String - For items which are thin lengths of cord. Note 12

String Reel / Winch - For spools or spool and crank assemblies using string
for hoisting and items which use string to function such as fire hoses, tow hooks,
and similar items. Note 13

Support - For items which function to hold or carry the weight of other
items or structures to stop those from falling. Note 14

Notes:
1. Used the same wording as for Belville, Figure Accessory

2. By definition, the support accessories are excluded and should rather be supports,
similar to stair supports. It is not just figures which use slides; slides are
often used in materials handling as well.

3. See opening notes. Hinges should move to the hinge category same as hinge
bricks etc.

4. See opening notes

5. The inverse is created by the angle, not the position of the studs or attachment.
Also include the modifier so as to avoid a category for modified slopes.

6. Soft materials can refer to felt, cloth or foam as well.

7. Vehicles for this includes planes, trains, boats and motor vehicles. Presumably
the definition of figure is sufficient to exclude complete minifigures from being
special assemblies. Part assemblies excluded so as to exclude wheel and tire
assemblies.

8. So as to exclude items such as rubber tires which also satisfies the definition
of compressed energy

9. The US definition is used throughout.

10. Note, the definitions are not alphabetical, followed the catalogue page rather.
This from the definition of a sticker which require a surface for adhesion.

11. The sticker sheet is the collective of all of the stickers as included in
sets on the original backing paper, so as to exclude single stickers from any
one set being in the definition.

12. With respect, the current definition is the definition of a cord, not a string

13. Removed the circular definitions of winches

14. Removed the circular reference to support.

Author:

randyipp

Posted:

May 10, 2020 11:54

Subject:

Re: Minifig torsos no clutch

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In Catalog, Zab3uk75 writes:

Hi
Just wondering whether this is a different catalog number for torsos with no
clutch or would I need to mention this in my listing?
Thanks
Stay safe everyone
June

If you are referring to the ribs inside the torso there are no separate part
numbers for that.

Author:

Zab3uk75

Posted:

May 10, 2020 11:22

Subject:

Minifig torsos no clutch

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Status:

Open

Hi
Just wondering whether this is a different catalog number for torsos with no
clutch or would I need to mention this in my listing?
Thanks
Stay safe everyone
June

Author:

randyf

Posted:

May 9, 2020 19:42

Subject:

Re: Pieces and technique used

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In Catalog, biomajor09 writes:

Hi!
I am just starting to get into MOCs. Can anyone tell me what pieces they use
to hold up the flags?

Thanks so much!

It looks like short bars like

87994 Bar 3L (Bar Arrow)
Parts: Bar {Reddish Brown}

placed into something like

87087 Brick, Modified 1 x 1 with Stud on Side
Parts: Brick, Modified {Light Bluish Gray}

Cheers,
Randy

Author:

biomajor09

Posted:

May 9, 2020 12:39

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Pieces and technique used

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Hi!
I am just starting to get into MOCs. Can anyone tell me what pieces they use
to hold up the flags?

Thanks so much!

Author:

Stellar

Posted:

May 7, 2020 04:09

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Re: Ants

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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

In Catalog, hpoort writes:

Except for the coloring, is there any difference between 62575cx1 and 23714?

In response to your concerns, the following two changes were just made:

1. The item number of 62575cx1 was changed to 62575pb01.

2. A relationship match was added for parts 62575pb01 and 23714.

62575pb01 Ant with Marbled Trans-Brown Pattern
Parts: Animal, Land

23714 Ant
Parts: Animal, Land

Be careful when removing Peeron IDs...

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=265395&nID=1187214

Author:

SylvainLS

Posted:

May 7, 2020 03:50

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Re: Ants

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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

[…]
I would be willing to bet that somewhere on those two parts there is a tiny difference.
I can't think of any instance at the moment where a new item number was
assigned by TLG without there being some kind of difference. Here it may just
be the marbling, though. […]

Two injection points instead of one?

Author:

randyf

Posted:

May 7, 2020 00:30

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Re: Ants

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In Catalog, randyf writes:

In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

In Catalog, Adjour writes:

Well I'm going to eat my words here, but I have a defense, I think I was
thinking of the spiders, I'm so sorry for my confidence when I was clearly
wrong.

Ah, it's okay. We all make mistakes.

I pulled out both ants, I have them in hand and they are indeed identical mold.

I would be willing to bet that somewhere on those two parts there is a tiny difference.
I can't think of any instance at the moment where a new item number was
assigned by TLG without there being some kind of difference. Here it may just
be the marbling, though.

Either way, I removed the relationship match because it would be prohibited for
parts that only have a difference in color or pattern. I also added 23714pb01
as an alternate item number for the newer part.

Since

62575pb01 Ant with Marbled Trans-Brown Pattern
Parts: Animal, Land

is the *older* part, it should not have the alternate item number. It would have
never been made in the new mold, which is

23714 Ant
Parts: Animal, Land

I guess I should have finished my thoughts before hitting "Post".

Basically, I would just keep the original ant numbered 62575pb01 with *no* alternate
item number, keep the new ant numbered 23714 with *no* alternate item number,
and reinstate the relationship between them.

Author:

randyf

Posted:

May 7, 2020 00:23

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Re: Ants

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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

In Catalog, Adjour writes:

Well I'm going to eat my words here, but I have a defense, I think I was
thinking of the spiders, I'm so sorry for my confidence when I was clearly
wrong.

Ah, it's okay. We all make mistakes.

I pulled out both ants, I have them in hand and they are indeed identical mold.

Since

62575pb01 Ant with Marbled Trans-Brown Pattern
Parts: Animal, Land

is the *older* part, it should not have the alternate item number. It would have
never been made in the new mold, which is

23714 Ant
Parts: Animal, Land

Author:

StormChaser

Posted:

May 7, 2020 00:07

Subject:

Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts I - M

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In Catalog, bje writes:

valuable input

Got these done. I've been line-editing the remaining sections as I go and
am done now with everything but the S and T sections.

Author:

StormChaser

Posted:

May 6, 2020 23:04

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Re: Ants

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In Catalog, Adjour writes:

Well I'm going to eat my words here, but I have a defense, I think I was
thinking of the spiders, I'm so sorry for my confidence when I was clearly
wrong.

Ah, it's okay. We all make mistakes.

I pulled out both ants, I have them in hand and they are indeed identical mold.

Author:

wildchicken13

Posted:

May 6, 2020 22:59

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Re: Ants

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In Catalog, WoutR writes:

In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

In Catalog, hpoort writes:

Except for the coloring, is there any difference between [p=62575cx1] and

23714 Ant
Parts: Animal, Land

Without having both parts to examine, I cannot say. But any differences would
likely be extremely minor.

Also, how do we go about numbering in such a case in general?

We haven't updated this page yet, but everything about item numbering is
here:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=168

62575 is the LEGO
design number for the marbled version, 23714 for the plain version. Is the former
really seen as an assembly (cx1)?

No, this is clearly not an assembly. It was renumbered to maintain compatibility
with Peeron. This happened in 2010 before Peeron died.

I would suggest 62575cx1 renumbered to 23714pb01 and 62575 listed as an alternative
number. Before making such a request, I'd like to be sure about any differences
and guide lines.

I think this is a reasonable request and I see no reason why it should not be
accommodated. If no one objects within the next day or so I'll make it happen.

I know the catalog team has different priorities right now

I am not a spokesperson for the team, but I think it would be fair to say that
our priority is always the catalog and any issues that affect it.

https://brickset.com/parts/design-62575
https://brickset.com/parts/design-23714

I would suggest that we use the designID that LEGO uses as the main partnumber.

23714 for the plain version,
62575* for the multicolored version with 23714pb* as an alternate,
and a catalog relationship between them.

I wonder why we don't do this already. In most instances they are the same,
but sometimes they are not. I guess it is probably cases like this where the
LEGO Group uses two different part numbers for what is essentially an identical
part, but for the sake of catalog consistency, it would make sense to use the
official LEGO Part ID for all parts with a suffix (a, b, c, etc.) to distinguish
between different variants.

Author:

Adjour

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May 6, 2020 22:43

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I hope this photo putting this to rest makes up for my stupid mistake. Sorry
again

Author:

Adjour

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May 6, 2020 22:37

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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

In Catalog, hpoort writes:

Except for the coloring, is there any difference between 62575cx1 and 23714?

In response to your concerns, the following two changes were just made:

1. The item number of 62575cx1 was changed to 62575pb01.

2. A relationship match was added for parts 62575pb01 and 23714.

62575pb01 Ant with Marbled Trans-Brown Pattern
Parts: Animal, Land

23714 Ant
Parts: Animal, Land

Well I'm going to eat my words here, but I have a defense, I think I was
thinking of the spiders, I'm so sorry for my confidence when I was clearly
wrong.

I pulled out both ants, I have them in hand and they are indeed identical mold.

Author:

StormChaser

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May 6, 2020 21:07

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In Catalog, hpoort writes:

Except for the coloring, is there any difference between 62575cx1 and 23714?

In response to your concerns, the following two changes were just made:

1. The item number of 62575cx1 was changed to 62575pb01.

2. A relationship match was added for parts 62575pb01 and 23714.

62575pb01 Ant with Marbled Trans-Brown Pattern
Parts: Animal, Land

23714 Ant
Parts: Animal, Land

Author:

LordSkylark

Posted:

May 6, 2020 14:05

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Re: Dual molded arms

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In Catalog, hpoort writes:

981982pb038 (Inv) Arm, (Matching Left and Right) Pair with Molded Light Aqua Short Sleeves Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Body Part

For the catalog project Figure Part Changes, number 1 on the in progress list
(https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476#ProjectsInProgress), I just noted
a significant difference between Bricklink and LDraw - used as a source for Studio
parts.

LDraw (and thus Studio if it were to include these parts) has the dual molded
arms with fixed color lower arms - currently only yellow and light flesh in their
database. (https://www.ldraw.org/cgi-bin/ptscan.cgi?q=arm+right+lower+arm+pattern&scope=description)

Bricklink has the dual molded arms with fixed color upper arms - hence a plethora
of colors. (https://www.bricklink.com/catalogList.asp?q=arm%20short%20sleeves%20pattern)

The choice is of course arbitrary, but during this catalog project, would it
be wise to adapt to LDraw's (and thus Studio's) choice?

I've always thought it should be reversed, as most arms base would be either
yellow or flesh, therefore limiting the amount of catelog entries drastically.

Author:

SylvainLS

Posted:

May 6, 2020 10:34

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Re: Dual molded arms

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In Catalog, hpoort writes:

981982pb038 (Inv) Arm, (Matching Left and Right) Pair with Molded Light Aqua Short Sleeves Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Body Part

[…]
The choice is of course arbitrary, but during this catalog project, would it
be wise to adapt to LDraw's (and thus Studio's) choice?

+1

IIRC, LDraw’s rationale was that the upper part is a sleeve, so the main colour
is the one used on the lower part: the arm (and hand) is yellow with a blue/red/white/…
(short) sleeve.

Author:

hpoort

Posted:

May 6, 2020 08:56

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Dual molded arms

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Open

981982pb038 (Inv) Arm, (Matching Left and Right) Pair with Molded Light Aqua Short Sleeves Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Body Part

Author:

krysto2002

Posted:

May 4, 2020 16:07

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Re: search

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In Catalog, skikyssing writes:

I'm not getting the suggestions in the drop down box when typing in searches
anymore...
It seems that this is for everyone.
Why do you have to change something that works perfectly?

I've noticed a few major changes to the searchbar myself, all for the worse.
Previews only appear in the search bar when you type in the set number, not the
set name (which kind of defeats the purpose of it, since who memorizes those
anyways?).

Furthermore, when using the search engine now, you only get results that exactly
match the search string. Searching "Spoke" for example only gets me parts containing
"Spoke" and not "Spokes" or "Spoked", likewise I couldn't find the "Mission
Commander" set in a search for "Mission Command".

These changes are super unhelpful, especially to new users who might be coming
to look for something but not certain of exactly what it's called, especially
since naming conventions for parts aren't entirely consistent over the decades
of them being added.

Author:

crazylegoman

Posted:

May 3, 2020 18:59

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Re: Ants

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In Catalog, BigBBricks writes:

In Catalog, crazylegoman writes:

In Catalog, Adjour writes:

In Catalog, hpoort writes:

Except for the coloring, is there any difference between [p=62575cx1] and

23714 Ant
Parts: Animal, Land

?

Also, how do we go about numbering in such a case in general? 62575 is the LEGO
design number for the marbled version, 23714 for the plain version. Is the former
really seen as an assembly (cx1)?

I would suggest 62575cx1 renumbered to 23714pb01 and 62575 listed as an alternative
number. Before making such a request, I'd like to be sure about any differences
and guide lines.

And yes, Robert, I know the catalog team has different priorities right now,
but this one just came up and I wonder.

I have both of these. They look different in person. I don't have them in
front of me at the moment but one sits taller and one looks longer.

I am in favor of renaming the newer one (or maybe both) in a way that designates
that one is taller and one is longer.

David

Aren't they different materials? If memory serves the marbled one is a lot
less ridgid that the solid.

I don't have the Ant-Man Final Battle set, so I can't say.

David

Author:

BigBBricks

Posted:

May 3, 2020 17:56

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Re: Ants

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In Catalog, crazylegoman writes:

In Catalog, Adjour writes:

In Catalog, hpoort writes:

Except for the coloring, is there any difference between [p=62575cx1] and

23714 Ant
Parts: Animal, Land

I have both of these. They look different in person. I don't have them in
front of me at the moment but one sits taller and one looks longer.

I am in favor of renaming the newer one (or maybe both) in a way that designates
that one is taller and one is longer.

David

Aren't they different materials? If memory serves the marbled one is a lot
less ridgid that the solid.

Author:

crazylegoman

Posted:

May 3, 2020 16:14

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