Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | yorbrick  | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 15:11 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| | | As for dual-molded parts, I would say that the appearance of the part
is what is important. If a part appears to have a pattern, then BrickLink should
probably treat it as a patterned part regardless of the production method.
This is because when anyone is looking for an item, I imagine they would want
a clean distinction between plain parts and multicolored or patterned parts.
That's not to say we couldn't distinguish dual-molded parts in some
way, either with titles or item numbers. For example, we already distinguish
patterned parts that have stickers using the part title.
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| | The dual-molding issue will have to wait until we get to a catalog page that
would address it.
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I don't care either way, but it would be very useful to know which legs are
dual molded (and so have the correct colours on the back of the legs) vs those
that are printed (and so have a single colour on the backs).
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 14:16 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
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I’ll try to make a comparison picture….
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Dang. I can’t: I only have the surface paint in black.
I have both versions of the chrome ones but there already is a comparison picture.
I note exists in both versions: there’s a comparison picture but
only one part in the catalogue….
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 14:03 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
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Which makes me wonder what the catalog means when it uses the word "embossed:"
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If you actually are wondering about this part, the pattern is both embossed and
painted, while on
it’s only painted.
I’ll try to make a comparison picture….
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 13:28 | | Subject: | Re: Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
| | I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.
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There are no real definitions for a number of things and we're working right
now to change that.
As for dual-molded parts, I would say that the appearance of the part
is what is important. If a part appears to have a pattern, then BrickLink should
probably treat it as a patterned part regardless of the production method.
This is because when anyone is looking for an item, I imagine they would want
a clean distinction between plain parts and multicolored or patterned parts.
That's not to say we couldn't distinguish dual-molded parts in some
way, either with titles or item numbers. For example, we already distinguish
patterned parts that have stickers using the part title.
Oddly enough, at least for some patterned parts where the production is with
molding, we don't identify the part as a patterned part:
But sometimes we do:
Which makes me wonder what the catalog means when it uses the word "embossed:"
Anyway, there's still a lot to clean up all across the catalog. The first
step is enacting solid guidelines. Right now we're working on these two
pages and would greatly appreciate input before they become official in 11 (or
fewer) days:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2479
The dual-molding issue will have to wait until we get to a catalog page that
would address it.
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| Author: | Miro78 | | Posted: | May 21, 2020 13:06 | | Subject: | Is dual color mold really decorated? | | Viewed: | 132 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
| Should dual molded legs or arms in their respective assemblies really be considered
as decorated?
To me BL considered the decorated as by means of printing or applying decoration
using stickers.
example
the reasoning is, how is that any different from legs assembly with single color
legs but different color hips or mismatched leg colors?
I feel the same way about dual molded arms
There are reasons for not separating them, mainly for new buyers not knowing
or caring about the difference or just the general way of looking at it, but
I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.
Any thoughts?
Miro
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 20, 2020 12:03 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between keychain lights | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, TheBohrok writes:
| | I see. Mine would then fall under LED Key Light Minifigure Key Chain since they
have the tag
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Only if going by the catalog images. Technically, both existing catalog entries
are undetermined because the titles of each entry fail to specify the packaging
or the color of the items.
| | I was thinking it might be better to merge them
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I also think it would be better to merge them.
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| Author: | TheBohrok | | Posted: | May 20, 2020 11:16 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between keychain lights | | Viewed: | 19 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, TheBohrok writes:
There are technically four items here:
1. Blue figure packaged and sold in cardboard box
2. Blue figure not packaged and sold with paper tag
3. Red figure packaged and sold in cardboard box
4. Red figure not packaged and sold with paper tag
For those four items there are two catalog entries:
1. Mini Torch Minifigure Flashlight Key Chain Classic
2. LED Key Light Minifigure Key Chain
Neither catalog entry specifies the color of the figure or the type of packaging.
Since we're not being specific with either catalog entry, I agree that it
would probably be appropriate to merge the catalog entries.
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I see. Mine would then fall under LED Key Light Minifigure Key Chain since they
have the tag (and are also in an open polybag with an adhesive strip to "seal"
the bag). I was thinking it might be better to merge them in case an interested
buyer is only aware of one and not the other nearly identical entry and for sellers
to get more exposure (which would be my case  ).
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 20, 2020 11:08 | | Subject: | Re: Difference between keychain lights | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, TheBohrok writes:
There are technically four items here:
1. Blue figure packaged and sold in cardboard box
2. Blue figure not packaged and sold with paper tag
3. Red figure packaged and sold in cardboard box
4. Red figure not packaged and sold with paper tag
For those four items there are two catalog entries:
1. Mini Torch Minifigure Flashlight Key Chain Classic
2. LED Key Light Minifigure Key Chain
Neither catalog entry specifies the color of the figure or the type of packaging.
Since we're not being specific with either catalog entry, I agree that it
would probably be appropriate to merge the catalog entries.
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| Author: | toontexas | | Posted: | May 20, 2020 09:52 | | Subject: | Re: One random part... | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Biglesdug writes:
| | In Catalog, opposingwinds writes:
| | Does anyone know why Brick Modified 1 x 2 x 2/3 No Studs, Wing End is
so expensive?? It's in more than 100 sets and I feel like it's quite
common. I came across several stores selling it for $1, even $2.
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They are probably the same stores selling all their parts at 100%-200% market
value.
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That's a bit rich from the seller of this part:
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| Author: | Biglesdug | | Posted: | May 20, 2020 09:29 | | Subject: | Re: One random part... | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, cycbuild writes:
| | In Catalog, runner.caller writes:
| | In Catalog, opposingwinds writes:
| | Does anyone know why Brick Modified 1 x 2 x 2/3 No Studs, Wing End is
so expensive?? It's in more than 100 sets and I feel like it's quite
common. I came across several stores selling it for $1, even $2.
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Which color?
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Dark bley is way pricier than other colors, and mostly comes in very nice sets
(except this polybag)
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People parting together the bat pod.
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| Author: | cycbuild | | Posted: | May 20, 2020 09:16 | | Subject: | Re: One random part... | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, runner.caller writes:
| | In Catalog, opposingwinds writes:
| | Does anyone know why Brick Modified 1 x 2 x 2/3 No Studs, Wing End is
so expensive?? It's in more than 100 sets and I feel like it's quite
common. I came across several stores selling it for $1, even $2.
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Which color?
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Dark bley is way pricier than other colors, and mostly comes in very nice sets
(except this polybag)
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| Author: | Biglesdug | | Posted: | May 20, 2020 08:59 | | Subject: | Re: One random part... | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, opposingwinds writes:
| | Does anyone know why Brick Modified 1 x 2 x 2/3 No Studs, Wing End is
so expensive?? It's in more than 100 sets and I feel like it's quite
common. I came across several stores selling it for $1, even $2.
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They are probably the same stores selling all their parts at 100%-200% market
value.
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| Author: | starbeanie | | Posted: | May 20, 2020 08:57 | | Subject: | Re: One random part... | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In what color?
In Catalog, opposingwinds writes:
| | Does anyone know why Brick Modified 1 x 2 x 2/3 No Studs, Wing End is
so expensive?? It's in more than 100 sets and I feel like it's quite
common. I came across several stores selling it for $1, even $2.
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| Author: | runner.caller | | Posted: | May 20, 2020 08:56 | | Subject: | Re: One random part... | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, opposingwinds writes:
| | Does anyone know why Brick Modified 1 x 2 x 2/3 No Studs, Wing End is
so expensive?? It's in more than 100 sets and I feel like it's quite
common. I came across several stores selling it for $1, even $2.
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Which color?
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| Author: | opposingwinds | | Posted: | May 20, 2020 08:22 | | Subject: | One random part... | | Viewed: | 143 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
| Does anyone know why Brick Modified 1 x 2 x 2/3 No Studs, Wing End is
so expensive?? It's in more than 100 sets and I feel like it's quite
common. I came across several stores selling it for $1, even $2.
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| Author: | SezaR | | Posted: | May 20, 2020 04:44 | | Subject: | Re: Length of Electric, Wire and Connector 5306bc | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, joel07 writes:
| | Hello, I would like clarification on the 5306bc electric, wire and connector.
The number next to it corresponds to the length of the cable, or is it the length
of the cable and the brick (for example 5306bc026) ?
Thank you for your answers.
Best regards,
Joel
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C'est un projet qu'on a definit il y a deux ans:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1113705
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1136906
Jusqu'a ce qu'on travail sur le projet, on sais pas. Peronne ne sait.
Le longueur de la cable n'est pas bien definit donc ca peut etre tous ce
qu'on peut imaginer.
Comme j'ai verifie, le longueur des cables de train 7722 sur mes 5 examplaires
n'etaient pas exact en tout cas.
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| Author: | joel07 | | Posted: | May 20, 2020 04:19 | | Subject: | Length of Electric, Wire and Connector 5306bc | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
| Hello, I would like clarification on the 5306bc electric, wire and connector.
The number next to it corresponds to the length of the cable, or is it the length
of the cable and the brick (for example 5306bc026) ?
Thank you for your answers.
Best regards,
Joel
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | May 19, 2020 16:42 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory for fabac3 | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
Oops. My bad. Obviously I can't keep up with everything happening on the
catalog side of things like you can! 
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | May 19, 2020 16:29 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory for fabac3 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | I would like to create an inventory for part just like part
has. But what part number should I use for the base?
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If there is no number on it, then it gets a 'bb' number. The next available
'bb' number is bb1131.
Cheers,
Randy
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| Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | May 19, 2020 16:19 | | Subject: | Inventory for fabac3 | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
| I would like to create an inventory for part just like part
has. But what part number should I use for the base?
/Jan
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 19, 2020 11:37 | | Subject: | Re: More Variants Discovered | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
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Fair point. But the same sets packaged in different factories or even at different
times in the same factory, or perhaps even at the same time in the same factory,
may contain different variants.
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That other sets came out differently from the same (or not) factory at the same
time (or not) doesn’t change the fact that one set is as it was when it came
out of the factory.
All the sesterces are different, it doesn’t change the fact some of them can
be certified as being real antique coins from a certified time-period.
| | I stand by my opinion that period-specificity is at least somewhat delusional.
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If you’re “bricklinking” the set.
And it also depends on your value of “good enough”: Do you trace all the parts,
asserting they came from boxes the siblings of the set you’re bricklinking?
Or are you content with “we know these variants were made around that time”?
| | | | So even if BL’s catalogue didn’t exist, one could still be proud of owning a
period-specific set.
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True. But what does that even mean?
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Well, you are the one who used the term 
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Because of the aforementioned variability in packaging for a given set, what
real meaning do the words "historically accurate" or "period-specific" even have?
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There’s the same thing with cars: there are the “only original parts,” the “we
replaced some parts with others from the same manufacturer and period,” and the
“we used some 3D-printed parts” and so on. And some parts (chassis, engine…)
are more important than others (belts) and even on some important parts, some
modifications are allowed without removing value (remove rusted parts of the
body, weld some new bits).
There’s the same thing with all collectible items.
And the “meaning” of “historically accurate” or “period-specific” is not binary
(is / isn’t), it’s, like about every word, a gradation of what people agree it
is.
It can be discussed precisely, generally between a seller and a buyer, to translate
it in monetary value, but it’ll still be generally fuzzy.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 19, 2020 10:45 | | Subject: | Re: More Variants Discovered | | Viewed: | 93 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | One’s owning the set since it was bought sealed and never having mixed its parts
allows one to say one’s copy is historically accurate.
Or any certified track of the set and its parts from the time it was bought sealed
allows the latest owner to say their copy is historically accurate.
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Fair point. But the same sets packaged in different factories or even at different
times in the same factory, or perhaps even at the same time in the same factory,
may contain different variants.
I stand by my opinion that period-specificity is at least somewhat delusional.
| | So even if BL’s catalogue didn’t exist, one could still be proud of owning a
period-specific set.
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True. But what does that even mean?
I do not have a large personal collection of LEGO parts. I looked through my
parts collection recently to create the attached image of the variants in molded
printing (which BL doesn't even distinguish) for just one part. And I missed
including one in the photo, by the way.
Each part in the photo shows a distinct and separate variant of molded printing,
with the second from the top having none at all. And my rough estimate at this
point is that at least two thirds of all parts have actual mold variants, while
most parts in production for more than a couple years probably have one or many
molded printing variants.
Because of the aforementioned variability in packaging for a given set, what
real meaning do the words "historically accurate" or "period-specific" even have?
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| Author: | bje | | Posted: | May 19, 2020 10:40 | | Subject: | Re: More Variants Discovered | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
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I think I've figured out that, in addition to the other problems with variants,
BrickLink perpetuates the somewhat delusional thinking of pride in owning a period-specific
set.
Only if every single variant was thoroughly documented and also documented to
have appeared in that set could you say that your copy of a set is historically
accurate. And considering that many (if not most or all) parts have variants,
chasing those phantoms might become rather nonsensical at some point.
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Don't know about the delusion so much, but I would be pretty ticked off if
somebody sold me a so-called used complete at $1 000 and it included
a bunch of modern cheap variants. Or worse still some early space sets with
the wrong clips, and LBG and DBG parts. It is all relative - someone like me
prefer to deal ith the correct thing at the correct time and I am prepared to
invest the time and effort in it. From experience with return buyers, I know
I am not alone. And yes, I've had buyers ask me to check pips, pins, hole
sizes, clips and mold numbers and send images prior to shipping and also to make
sure the variants and colour differences are correct. Of course I've also
had buyers who just do not care.
I personally would not go as far as to mention closed and open pins and combinations
thereof, but I find for the serious buyer it pays to find serious sellers, catalogue
failings notwithstanding
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