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| In Catalog, bje writes:
New definition:
Plate - For items nearly identical in use to building bricks that are one
third as tall, have one or more studs, and for which all corners are square.
Sorry, but is it the intention that these parts and a few other similar ones
are to be moved to category plates as they all satisfy that definition?
The concern I have is that we are moving away from the plate being a representation
of a brick in 1/3 height as TLG defines it as well. There are at present no bricks
with missing studs along the top, so should plates not be the same? IOW if there
are studs missing, we class that as normal for a plate and not a modification.
Or am I just reading the definition wrong (in which case it is probably not meeting
expectations  )
This does impact on what tiles are as well (plates with no studs essentially),
so best to get it out of the way.
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| Author: | bje | | Posted: | May 13, 2020 12:43 | | Subject: | Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts V- | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| I'll hopefully have the final T-section ready by tomorrow
Definitions – Section V Parts
Vehicle - For a sub-theme of Legoland sets that featured vehicles released
from the early 1960s to the late 1970s. Note1
Vehicle, Base - For items that function as a platform on which to construct
vehicles and their accessories. Note 2
Vehicle, Mudguard - For items that combined make up the wheel well, fender
and fender flares on vehicles and the mudguards on riding cycles. Note 3
Definitions – Section W Parts
Wedge - For items other than plates that have a narrow edge at one end
and a wider edge at the other end. Note 4
Wedge, Plate - For plates that have a narrow edge at one end and a wider
edge at the other end. Note 5
Wheel - For items that is a solid disk or a rigid circular ring connected
by spokes to a hub, designed to turn around an axle passed through the centre,
which may or may not fit tire and tread. Note 6
Wheel & Tire Assembly - For items that are a combination of a wheel and
a tire.
Wheel, Accessory - For items that are parts of entire wheels, wheel axles
and other wheel accessories such as wheel covers.
Window - For the frame of an opening in a structure or vehicle that afford
the ability to see out. Note 7
Windscreen - For items used as the front window glass in vehicles, aircraft,
ships and trains for wind protection and which are not panels.
Wing - For items that perform the function of flight support for aircraft.
Note 8
Definitions – Section Miscellaneous
(Other) - For items that are specific to the BrickLink catalog. Note
9
Notes:
1. Certainly this cannot be correct in terms of parts for vehicles? Consider
adding parts specific to vehicles as well.
2. A vehicle is by definition only something with wheels for land transport.
Consider rather moving the aircraft section out.
3. Vehicles do not have mud guards, so the combination of parts that make up
the wheel well and its cover (fender, fender flares) are used by definition.
There are presently no parts that make up a quarter panel. Mudguards are only
in use by cycles by definition. Some of the fast food racer parts are bases?
4. To avoid the circular definition. Unless stated as bricks, modified bricks,
slopes, inverted slopes, etc it is maybe easier to just exclude plates from being
wedges.
5. To avoid the circular definition.
6. The hub is only the thing to which spokes are connected and is not for all
wheels. Also, not all wheels get tire and tread (trolley wheels).
7. The opening itself is generally accepted as the window and the frame into
which the glass is placed is the window frame. I might still be better to combine
these with door frames as just frames.
8. Flight management is, respectfully, performed by rudders and ailerons
9. The death knell of a good catalogue – other?? Good thing they are last Those
are only BrickLink entries.
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 13, 2020 12:19 | | Subject: | Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts P - R | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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I'd shorten the definition to say two or more blades that spin around. Even then
what about the individual blades that are listed there?
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | May 13, 2020 12:18 | | Subject: | Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts P - R | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| | | Propeller - For items with two or more blades that spin round at speed
to provide movement or control for ships, boats and aircraft. Note 8
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What about submarines, spacecraft or land based vehicles such as high speed cars.
I don't think the definitions should be so focussed.
Then there are these types ...
Introduced as windmill / turbines.
If shorten the definition to say two of more blades that spin around. Even then
what about the individual blades that are listed there?
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 13, 2020 09:59 | | Subject: | Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts P - R | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, bje writes:
I'm working on this now, but I have to say that this whole enterprise of
defining categories makes me think very much of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFrdqQZ8FFc
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| Author: | bje | | Posted: | May 13, 2020 07:54 | | Subject: | Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts P - R | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| A word on plates:
Some plates are not complete in the number of studs as to the size of the plate.
See for example or what are currently some parts classed as tiles.
The TLG definition of a part being 1/3 high should be carried over and plates
should be standard if it has studs completely over it length and width. But
the modified plate section presents a problem if plates are only to be 1/3 high
inclusive of the modification.
Definitions – Section P Parts
Panel - For items that have at least one flat surface to function as a divider
or wall, with or without studs on top.
Paper - For items made of paper or card. Note 1
Plant - For shrubs, stems, leaves, flowers, vines, roots, and related
items and accessories, excluding trees.
Plant, Tree - For plants with wooden trunks, including stumps. Note
2
Plastic - For items made of thin, flexible plastic sheets. Note 3
Plate - For items which are one third the height of a brick with straight
sides, square corners and studs covering the entire top. Note 4
Plate, Modified - For plates that do not have studs entirely over the
top and/or include some attachment or shape modification which can make it higher.
Note 5
Plate, Round - For plates that have one or more rounded corners and with
or without attachments and/or modifications. Note 6
Pneumatic - For items that produce or use pressurized air to perform mechanical
functions and their accessories. Note 7
Projectile Launcher - For any item that serves the primary function of
launching a projectile, their accessories and projectiles made to fit.
Propeller - For items with two or more blades that spin round at speed
to provide movement or control for ships, boats and aircraft. Note 8
Definitions – Section R Parts
Riding Cycle - For bicycles, motorcycles, scooters, tricycles and ATV's
and their accessories.
Ring - For circular items with or without attachments.
Road Sign - For items which are the unadorned backing of decorations such
as signs, notices, signboards or warnings. Note 9.
Rock - For items resembling single rocks or clusters of rocks, including
decorative items carved from rock, jewels, and rock-like ice formations.
Roof - For items primarily designed to protectively cover a structure
and their accessories. Note 10
Rubber Band & Belt - For elastic items and their accessories that are
typically used to perform a mechanical function in a model. Note 11
Notes:
1. Used the same wording as for felt, foam etc.
2. Trunk being the modifier here. Some leaves and top parts to move to the plant
category, unless tree leaves and stems are to be included in the tree definition?
3. Used the same wording as for felt, foam, paper etc.
4. See opening remarks, also to exclude modifications
5. See opening remarks, also to include modifications;
6. Round plates have round corners and modifications added unless new category
for modified round plates are made
7. Pneumatic uses pressurized air for mechanical function
8. Cowlings, housings etc should rather be under the aircraft or boat section,
see engine parts already there.
9. The undecorated parts respectfully does not actually function as the warning
or notice by itself. The decoration is required for the current definition,
which is then only applicable to decorated parts. What is in the category are
the plain backings used for the signage
10. These are only structural roofs
11. Elastic used as these bands and belts return to their original shape and
are not designed to be permanently stretched.
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| Author: | bje | | Posted: | May 12, 2020 12:48 | | Subject: | Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts S sect | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| As requested the S and T sections to follow.
Quick discussion for slopes:
A slope can be viewed as a special modified brick (item with 4 straight sides
and studs on top) with at least one side of it being an angle. This precludes
some parts from being slopes altogether as anything without a stud on top will
then be a curve to allow for continuous or joined lines. So in this view a slope
is a brick with at least one side set at an angle and a curve would be anything
that is not a slope brick; or
A slope is a type of part all by itself, in which case the only differential
must be angles vs curves. In this view a slope is an item with angled sides,
with or without top studs. A sloped curve will then be an item with curved sides,
with or without top studs and with or without modification.
Curves as a stand alone category was not considered. An angle should refer to
a straight line not on the horizontal or vertical plane, and a curve to a line
which bends continuously with no straight parts. Given this I went with slopes
and curves being items by themselves, rather than to contort brick definitions
to fit a description or to create new categories.
Definitions – Section S parts
Scala, Figure Accessory - For items of clothing and other accessories
intended to be worn or used by Scala figures. Note 1
Slide - For items with a smooth, sloping side which allows quick travel
from higher to lower elevations. Note 2
Slope - For items with one or more sides angled from bottom to top, with
or without studs on top. Note 3
Slope, Curved - For items with one or more curved sides, with or without
studs on top. Note 4
Slope, Inverted - For items with one or more sides angled from top to
bottom and which may include an attachment or modification. Note 5
Soft Bricks - For sets and other items featuring large bricks and accessories
created from soft plastic and released from the late 1990s to the mid 2010s.
Note 6
Special Assembly – For items from specific sets which is an identifiably
complete usable part of the set including complete vehicles and complete larger
scale figures and – animals, but excluding buildings and recognized part assemblies.
Note 7
Spring - For items which are coiled, can be compressed and will return
to their usual shape once released. Note 8
Stairs - For items that a complete set of steps that leading from one
level to another, or for the individual steps in a stairs. Note 9
Sticker Over Assembly - For stickers that require more than one part to complete
the adhesive surface. Note 10
Sticker Sheet – All of the stickers included in a set as attached to the
complete adhesive backing paper/s for that set. Note 11
String - For items which are thin lengths of cord. Note 12
String Reel / Winch - For spools or spool and crank assemblies using string
for hoisting and items which use string to function such as fire hoses, tow hooks,
and similar items. Note 13
Support - For items which function to hold or carry the weight of other
items or structures to stop those from falling. Note 14
Notes:
1. Used the same wording as for Belville, Figure Accessory
2. By definition, the support accessories are excluded and should rather be supports,
similar to stair supports. It is not just figures which use slides; slides are
often used in materials handling as well.
3. See opening notes. Hinges should move to the hinge category same as hinge
bricks etc.
4. See opening notes
5. The inverse is created by the angle, not the position of the studs or attachment.
Also include the modifier so as to avoid a category for modified slopes.
6. Soft materials can refer to felt, cloth or foam as well.
7. Vehicles for this includes planes, trains, boats and motor vehicles. Presumably
the definition of figure is sufficient to exclude complete minifigures from being
special assemblies. Part assemblies excluded so as to exclude wheel and tire
assemblies.
8. So as to exclude items such as rubber tires which also satisfies the definition
of compressed energy
9. The US definition is used throughout.
10. Note, the definitions are not alphabetical, followed the catalogue page rather.
This from the definition of a sticker which require a surface for adhesion.
11. The sticker sheet is the collective of all of the stickers as included in
sets on the original backing paper, so as to exclude single stickers from any
one set being in the definition.
12. With respect, the current definition is the definition of a cord, not a string
13. Removed the circular definitions of winches
14. Removed the circular reference to support.
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| Author: | randyipp | | Posted: | May 10, 2020 11:54 | | Subject: | Re: Minifig torsos no clutch | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Zab3uk75 writes:
| | Hi
Just wondering whether this is a different catalog number for torsos with no
clutch or would I need to mention this in my listing?
Thanks
Stay safe everyone
June
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If you are referring to the ribs inside the torso there are no separate part
numbers for that.
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| Author: | Zab3uk75 | | Posted: | May 10, 2020 11:22 | | Subject: | Minifig torsos no clutch | | Viewed: | 86 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
| Hi
Just wondering whether this is a different catalog number for torsos with no
clutch or would I need to mention this in my listing?
Thanks
Stay safe everyone
June
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | May 9, 2020 19:42 | | Subject: | Re: Pieces and technique used | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, biomajor09 writes:
| | Hi!
I am just starting to get into MOCs. Can anyone tell me what pieces they use
to hold up the flags?
Thanks so much!
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It looks like short bars like
placed into something like
Cheers,
Randy
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| Author: | biomajor09 | | Posted: | May 9, 2020 12:39 | | Subject: | Pieces and technique used | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
| Hi!
I am just starting to get into MOCs. Can anyone tell me what pieces they use
to hold up the flags?
Thanks so much!
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| Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | May 7, 2020 04:09 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, hpoort writes:
| | Except for the coloring, is there any difference between 62575cx1 and 23714?
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In response to your concerns, the following two changes were just made:
1. The item number of 62575cx1 was changed to 62575pb01.
2. A relationship match was added for parts 62575pb01 and 23714.
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Be careful when removing Peeron IDs...
https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=265395&nID=1187214
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 7, 2020 03:50 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | […]
I would be willing to bet that somewhere on those two parts there is a tiny difference.
I can't think of any instance at the moment where a new item number was
assigned by TLG without there being some kind of difference. Here it may just
be the marbling, though. […]
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Two injection points instead of one?
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | May 7, 2020 00:30 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | Well I'm going to eat my words here, but I have a defense, I think I was
thinking of the spiders, I'm so sorry for my confidence when I was clearly
wrong.
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Ah, it's okay. We all make mistakes. 
| | I pulled out both ants, I have them in hand and they are indeed identical mold.
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I would be willing to bet that somewhere on those two parts there is a tiny difference.
I can't think of any instance at the moment where a new item number was
assigned by TLG without there being some kind of difference. Here it may just
be the marbling, though.
Either way, I removed the relationship match because it would be prohibited for
parts that only have a difference in color or pattern. I also added 23714pb01
as an alternate item number for the newer part.
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Since
is the *older* part, it should not have the alternate item number. It would have
never been made in the new mold, which is
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I guess I should have finished my thoughts before hitting "Post". 
Basically, I would just keep the original ant numbered 62575pb01 with *no* alternate
item number, keep the new ant numbered 23714 with *no* alternate item number,
and reinstate the relationship between them.
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | May 7, 2020 00:23 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | Well I'm going to eat my words here, but I have a defense, I think I was
thinking of the spiders, I'm so sorry for my confidence when I was clearly
wrong.
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Ah, it's okay. We all make mistakes.
| | I pulled out both ants, I have them in hand and they are indeed identical mold.
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I would be willing to bet that somewhere on those two parts there is a tiny difference.
I can't think of any instance at the moment where a new item number was
assigned by TLG without there being some kind of difference. Here it may just
be the marbling, though.
Either way, I removed the relationship match because it would be prohibited for
parts that only have a difference in color or pattern. I also added 23714pb01
as an alternate item number for the newer part.
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Since
is the *older* part, it should not have the alternate item number. It would have
never been made in the new mold, which is
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 7, 2020 00:07 | | Subject: | Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts I - M | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, bje writes:
Got these done. I've been line-editing the remaining sections as I go and
am done now with everything but the S and T sections.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 6, 2020 23:04 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | Well I'm going to eat my words here, but I have a defense, I think I was
thinking of the spiders, I'm so sorry for my confidence when I was clearly
wrong.
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Ah, it's okay. We all make mistakes.
| | I pulled out both ants, I have them in hand and they are indeed identical mold.
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I would be willing to bet that somewhere on those two parts there is a tiny difference.
I can't think of any instance at the moment where a new item number was
assigned by TLG without there being some kind of difference. Here it may just
be the marbling, though.
Either way, I removed the relationship match because it would be prohibited for
parts that only have a difference in color or pattern. I also added 23714pb01
as an alternate item number for the newer part.
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| Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | May 6, 2020 22:59 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, WoutR writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, hpoort writes:
| | Except for the coloring, is there any difference between [p=62575cx1] and ?
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Without having both parts to examine, I cannot say. But any differences would
likely be extremely minor.
| | Also, how do we go about numbering in such a case in general?
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We haven't updated this page yet, but everything about item numbering is
here:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=168
| | 62575 is the LEGO
design number for the marbled version, 23714 for the plain version. Is the former
really seen as an assembly (cx1)?
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No, this is clearly not an assembly. It was renumbered to maintain compatibility
with Peeron. This happened in 2010 before Peeron died.
| | I would suggest 62575cx1 renumbered to 23714pb01 and 62575 listed as an alternative
number. Before making such a request, I'd like to be sure about any differences
and guide lines.
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I think this is a reasonable request and I see no reason why it should not be
accommodated. If no one objects within the next day or so I'll make it happen.
| | I know the catalog team has different priorities right now
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I am not a spokesperson for the team, but I think it would be fair to say that
our priority is always the catalog and any issues that affect it.
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https://brickset.com/parts/design-62575
https://brickset.com/parts/design-23714
I would suggest that we use the designID that LEGO uses as the main partnumber.
23714 for the plain version,
62575* for the multicolored version with 23714pb* as an alternate,
and a catalog relationship between them.
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I wonder why we don't do this already. In most instances they are the same,
but sometimes they are not. I guess it is probably cases like this where the
LEGO Group uses two different part numbers for what is essentially an identical
part, but for the sake of catalog consistency, it would make sense to use the
official LEGO Part ID for all parts with a suffix (a, b, c, etc.) to distinguish
between different variants.
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| Author: | Adjour | | Posted: | May 6, 2020 22:43 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| I hope this photo putting this to rest makes up for my stupid mistake. Sorry
again
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| Author: | Adjour | | Posted: | May 6, 2020 22:37 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, hpoort writes:
| | Except for the coloring, is there any difference between 62575cx1 and 23714?
|
In response to your concerns, the following two changes were just made:
1. The item number of 62575cx1 was changed to 62575pb01.
2. A relationship match was added for parts 62575pb01 and 23714.
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Well I'm going to eat my words here, but I have a defense, I think I was
thinking of the spiders, I'm so sorry for my confidence when I was clearly
wrong.
I pulled out both ants, I have them in hand and they are indeed identical mold.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 6, 2020 21:07 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, hpoort writes:
| | Except for the coloring, is there any difference between 62575cx1 and 23714?
|
In response to your concerns, the following two changes were just made:
1. The item number of 62575cx1 was changed to 62575pb01.
2. A relationship match was added for parts 62575pb01 and 23714.
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| Author: | LordSkylark | | Posted: | May 6, 2020 14:05 | | Subject: | Re: Dual molded arms | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, hpoort writes:
I've always thought it should be reversed, as most arms base would be either
yellow or flesh, therefore limiting the amount of catelog entries drastically.
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | May 6, 2020 10:34 | | Subject: | Re: Dual molded arms | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, hpoort writes:
| |
[…]
The choice is of course arbitrary, but during this catalog project, would it
be wise to adapt to LDraw's (and thus Studio's) choice?
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+1
IIRC, LDraw’s rationale was that the upper part is a sleeve, so the main colour
is the one used on the lower part: the arm (and hand) is yellow with a blue/red/white/…
(short) sleeve.
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| Author: | krysto2002 | | Posted: | May 4, 2020 16:07 | | Subject: | Re: search | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, skikyssing writes:
| | I'm not getting the suggestions in the drop down box when typing in searches
anymore...
It seems that this is for everyone.
Why do you have to change something that works perfectly? 
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I've noticed a few major changes to the searchbar myself, all for the worse.
Previews only appear in the search bar when you type in the set number, not the
set name (which kind of defeats the purpose of it, since who memorizes those
anyways?).
Furthermore, when using the search engine now, you only get results that exactly
match the search string. Searching "Spoke" for example only gets me parts containing
"Spoke" and not "Spokes" or "Spoked", likewise I couldn't find the "Mission
Commander" set in a search for "Mission Command".
These changes are super unhelpful, especially to new users who might be coming
to look for something but not certain of exactly what it's called, especially
since naming conventions for parts aren't entirely consistent over the decades
of them being added.
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| Author: | crazylegoman | | Posted: | May 3, 2020 18:59 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, BigBBricks writes:
| | In Catalog, crazylegoman writes:
| | In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | In Catalog, hpoort writes:
| | Except for the coloring, is there any difference between [p=62575cx1] and ?
Also, how do we go about numbering in such a case in general? 62575 is the LEGO
design number for the marbled version, 23714 for the plain version. Is the former
really seen as an assembly (cx1)?
I would suggest 62575cx1 renumbered to 23714pb01 and 62575 listed as an alternative
number. Before making such a request, I'd like to be sure about any differences
and guide lines.
And yes, Robert, I know the catalog team has different priorities right now,
but this one just came up and I wonder.
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I have both of these. They look different in person. I don't have them in
front of me at the moment but one sits taller and one looks longer.
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I am in favor of renaming the newer one (or maybe both) in a way that designates
that one is taller and one is longer.
David
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Aren't they different materials? If memory serves the marbled one is a lot
less ridgid that the solid.
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I don't have the Ant-Man Final Battle set, so I can't say.
David
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| Author: | BigBBricks | | Posted: | May 3, 2020 17:56 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, crazylegoman writes:
| | In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | In Catalog, hpoort writes:
| | Except for the coloring, is there any difference between [p=62575cx1] and ?
Also, how do we go about numbering in such a case in general? 62575 is the LEGO
design number for the marbled version, 23714 for the plain version. Is the former
really seen as an assembly (cx1)?
I would suggest 62575cx1 renumbered to 23714pb01 and 62575 listed as an alternative
number. Before making such a request, I'd like to be sure about any differences
and guide lines.
And yes, Robert, I know the catalog team has different priorities right now,
but this one just came up and I wonder.
|
I have both of these. They look different in person. I don't have them in
front of me at the moment but one sits taller and one looks longer.
|
I am in favor of renaming the newer one (or maybe both) in a way that designates
that one is taller and one is longer.
David
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Aren't they different materials? If memory serves the marbled one is a lot
less ridgid that the solid.
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| Author: | crazylegoman | | Posted: | May 3, 2020 16:14 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Adjour writes:
| | In Catalog, hpoort writes:
| | Except for the coloring, is there any difference between [p=62575cx1] and ?
Also, how do we go about numbering in such a case in general? 62575 is the LEGO
design number for the marbled version, 23714 for the plain version. Is the former
really seen as an assembly (cx1)?
I would suggest 62575cx1 renumbered to 23714pb01 and 62575 listed as an alternative
number. Before making such a request, I'd like to be sure about any differences
and guide lines.
And yes, Robert, I know the catalog team has different priorities right now,
but this one just came up and I wonder.
|
I have both of these. They look different in person. I don't have them in
front of me at the moment but one sits taller and one looks longer.
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I am in favor of renaming the newer one (or maybe both) in a way that designates
that one is taller and one is longer.
David
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| Author: | Adjour | | Posted: | May 3, 2020 14:01 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, hpoort writes:
| | Except for the coloring, is there any difference between [p=62575cx1] and ?
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Without having both parts to examine, I cannot say. But any differences would
likely be extremely minor.
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Yeah, they are different molds, its hard to see in the photo but in person they
are clearly not the same part
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| Author: | Adjour | | Posted: | May 3, 2020 14:00 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, hpoort writes:
| | Except for the coloring, is there any difference between [p=62575cx1] and ?
Also, how do we go about numbering in such a case in general? 62575 is the LEGO
design number for the marbled version, 23714 for the plain version. Is the former
really seen as an assembly (cx1)?
I would suggest 62575cx1 renumbered to 23714pb01 and 62575 listed as an alternative
number. Before making such a request, I'd like to be sure about any differences
and guide lines.
And yes, Robert, I know the catalog team has different priorities right now,
but this one just came up and I wonder.
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I have both of these. They look different in person. I don't have them in
front of me at the moment but one sits taller and one looks longer.
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| Author: | hpoort | | Posted: | May 3, 2020 12:56 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, WoutR writes:
| | In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, hpoort writes:
| | Except for the coloring, is there any difference between [p=62575cx1] and ?
|
Without having both parts to examine, I cannot say. But any differences would
likely be extremely minor.
| | Also, how do we go about numbering in such a case in general?
|
We haven't updated this page yet, but everything about item numbering is
here:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=168
| | 62575 is the LEGO
design number for the marbled version, 23714 for the plain version. Is the former
really seen as an assembly (cx1)?
|
No, this is clearly not an assembly. It was renumbered to maintain compatibility
with Peeron. This happened in 2010 before Peeron died.
| | I would suggest 62575cx1 renumbered to 23714pb01 and 62575 listed as an alternative
number. Before making such a request, I'd like to be sure about any differences
and guide lines.
|
I think this is a reasonable request and I see no reason why it should not be
accommodated. If no one objects within the next day or so I'll make it happen.
| | I know the catalog team has different priorities right now
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I am not a spokesperson for the team, but I think it would be fair to say that
our priority is always the catalog and any issues that affect it.
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https://brickset.com/parts/design-62575
https://brickset.com/parts/design-23714
I would suggest that we use the designID that LEGO uses as the main partnumber.
23714 for the plain version,
62575* for the multicolored version with 23714pb* as an alternate,
and a catalog relationship between them.
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That makes sense to me, but it would set a new standard. Probably in line with
what BL would want for XP, but not how it is classically done.
Specifically which type of relationship can we currently choose?
The relation between plain parts and their multicolored, stickered or printed
versions on Bricklink is currently an implied relation only, by means of the
part number. There should be a new relation type defined for this relation type.
Is this in reach of the current catalog admin? And then to systematically set
the relation between each patterned part and it's base part.
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| Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | May 3, 2020 12:30 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| I do not see a designID on the multicolored ants.
[p=62575cx1]
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| Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | May 3, 2020 12:29 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| | In Catalog, hpoort writes:
| | Except for the coloring, is there any difference between [p=62575cx1] and ?
|
Without having both parts to examine, I cannot say. But any differences would
likely be extremely minor.
| | Also, how do we go about numbering in such a case in general?
|
We haven't updated this page yet, but everything about item numbering is
here:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=168
| | 62575 is the LEGO
design number for the marbled version, 23714 for the plain version. Is the former
really seen as an assembly (cx1)?
|
No, this is clearly not an assembly. It was renumbered to maintain compatibility
with Peeron. This happened in 2010 before Peeron died.
| | I would suggest 62575cx1 renumbered to 23714pb01 and 62575 listed as an alternative
number. Before making such a request, I'd like to be sure about any differences
and guide lines.
|
I think this is a reasonable request and I see no reason why it should not be
accommodated. If no one objects within the next day or so I'll make it happen.
| | I know the catalog team has different priorities right now
|
I am not a spokesperson for the team, but I think it would be fair to say that
our priority is always the catalog and any issues that affect it.
|
https://brickset.com/parts/design-62575
https://brickset.com/parts/design-23714
I would suggest that we use the designID that LEGO uses as the main partnumber.
23714 for the plain version,
62575* for the multicolored version with 23714pb* as an alternate,
and a catalog relationship between them.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 3, 2020 10:51 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, hpoort writes:
| | Except for the coloring, is there any difference between [p=62575cx1] and ?
|
Without having both parts to examine, I cannot say. But any differences would
likely be extremely minor.
| | Also, how do we go about numbering in such a case in general?
|
We haven't updated this page yet, but everything about item numbering is
here:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=168
| | 62575 is the LEGO
design number for the marbled version, 23714 for the plain version. Is the former
really seen as an assembly (cx1)?
|
No, this is clearly not an assembly. It was renumbered to maintain compatibility
with Peeron. This happened in 2010 before Peeron died.
| | I would suggest 62575cx1 renumbered to 23714pb01 and 62575 listed as an alternative
number. Before making such a request, I'd like to be sure about any differences
and guide lines.
|
I think this is a reasonable request and I see no reason why it should not be
accommodated. If no one objects within the next day or so I'll make it happen.
| | I know the catalog team has different priorities right now
|
I am not a spokesperson for the team, but I think it would be fair to say that
our priority is always the catalog and any issues that affect it.
|
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| Author: | whoa220 | | Posted: | May 3, 2020 10:15 | | Subject: | Re: Ants | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| | Honestly I think they are the same lego peace but recolered. |
| Author: | hpoort | | Posted: | May 3, 2020 10:06 | | Subject: | Ants | | Viewed: | 219 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
| Except for the coloring, is there any difference between [p=62575cx1] and ?
Also, how do we go about numbering in such a case in general? 62575 is the LEGO
design number for the marbled version, 23714 for the plain version. Is the former
really seen as an assembly (cx1)?
I would suggest 62575cx1 renumbered to 23714pb01 and 62575 listed as an alternative
number. Before making such a request, I'd like to be sure about any differences
and guide lines.
And yes, Robert, I know the catalog team has different priorities right now,
but this one just came up and I wonder.
|
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | May 2, 2020 10:51 | | Subject: | Re: Adding missing items to the catalog | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, aladar123 writes:
| | For those who might have this question.
Do not bother adding, if no photo it will be removed after some time.
|
It's true that we don't typically approve catalog entries without photos.
There are a few exceptions, though. We're currently working on updating
our catalog guidelines and plan to explicitly state those exceptions in the new
guidelines.
The reason we don't add items without photos is because past experience has
repeatedly shown us that we may never get a photo if we don't require one
up front. This happens not only for rare items, but for common items with multiple
for-sale listings.
This is a good example:
It's been in the catalog for 11 years and there are nine different sellers
with the part for sale, but none have sent us an image for the catalog.
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| Author: | mokibricks | | Posted: | May 2, 2020 10:39 | | Subject: | Re: Adding missing items to the catalog | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, aladar123 writes:
| | Hi,
I recently bought a holder for trading cards, and it has a list of all the possible
cards (SW Series 2) with their numbers. Does it help if I add all the items to
the catalog? I have a few more where I will also add the images of the cards,
but in many cases, I won't.
Thanks,
Tamas
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For those who might have this question.
Do not bother adding, if no photo it will be removed after some time.
Tamas
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| Author: | James2506 | | Posted: | May 1, 2020 20:32 | | Subject: | Re: Why oh why Batman Sh016b | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| Thanks for such a long effort and providing other examples. I follow but don’t
agree - I think any change for a new part should equal a new number, but it’s
not up to me!
Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, James2506 writes:
| | I think each variant should get a fresh number. Certainly the faces do even
though the rest of the fig remains the same. It just happened with Mr Freeze
too - the dark Peary grey now has two unique numbers when all that changed was
the neck bracket and weapon.
How do we ask Admins to consider changing the naming first given?
|
I am sure an admin will see this thread.
It's not a for sure thing. They also have to weigh in how it will affect
stores to have the name change. They may have labelled things. Just adding
a or b on the end is much gentler for that.
|
When minfigs assembly is exactly the same but there is just one minior change
in part variant minfigs is classified as variant minfig and gets a or b or c
if there are more variants.
In Batman case all three are the same just one part is in differnt part variant
in sh016 and sh016a and now sh016b is the same assembly as sh016a just cape is
in diffrent part variant. It is a quite common practice (not always consistent,
but I try to keep it consistent)
Minfigs gest new number when assembly is diffrent for example wjhen for this
Batmon would be added totally differnt part
Example with Mr Freeze is good it got nee number as assembly is different, this
minfig has additiona parts so it makes an assembly different.
so few example
assembly the same just the head has different color
assembly the same just cape variant changed
but
new numbers as totally different heads are in there
but when print on the head si only small variation minfig is consider also variant
and gets an a
* | | trn227 (Inv) Overalls with Tools in Pocket, Blue Legs, Red Short Bill Cap, Glasses with Brown Thin Eyebrows
Minifigures: Train |
brown eybrows vs red eyebrows, very minor difference beside that minfigs are
identical
recently added
these have different numbers as they are different assemblies, every one have
additional parts there, but for example if suddenly LEGO would start produce
cupcae in different mold variant and it would be discovered then one with mold
variant of such part would get variant with the same number and added a
when you look through catalog teher really a lot of "a" and "b" variants of minifigs
in very different themes
So important is how significant if change of similar character or minfigs. Slight
change, only different part variant but whole assembly the same. This is minfig
variant with the same number but with a added. Only slight change in prinbt also
only a variant. Significant print change or aditional parts added which makes
it different assembty, new number.
some more examples
only chane of color of the photoreceptor
but here more significant print change
ok there are meny meny more examples
so numeration of those batmans stays as they are as those minfigs hase the same
assemblies only parts are in different mold variants
normal cape vs spongy cape
type of mask also mold variant
the same here only mask mold change
but here different heads, so different assemblies and new numbers
(btw name should be change here to get rid of type 1, 2 and 3, describtion of
faces exspressions should be here as all heads have different prints like here
for example https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?pg=1&catString=971&catType=M&v=1)
Hope this is more clear now why ve have minfigs variants marked as a nad b
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| Author: | BRCook | | Posted: | May 1, 2020 17:44 | | Subject: | Dimensions for instant checkout | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
| I have had some issues with items not having size dimensions (particularly for
newer items - come up as 0x0x0 or ?x?x?).
This has caused me problems with instant checkout because even though there are
no dimensions it is not forcing a quote request (which is what I thought should
happen).
Anyone have any similar experiences or suggestions for a fix (Admins?)
Thanks in advance
Brendan
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| Author: | skikyssing | | Posted: | May 1, 2020 04:50 | | Subject: | search | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
| I'm not getting the suggestions in the drop down box when typing in searches
anymore...
It seems that this is for everyone.
Why do you have to change something that works perfectly?
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| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Apr 30, 2020 12:39 | | Subject: | Re: Set 1775 alternative stickers | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
| | I've just added [P=4867pb24] in hope that it will be accepted. Here's
a photo of the set. It's not mine, so I can't prove anything about it.
The building instructions are generic.
/Jan
|
Sticker of this set do not show such sticker
so for set
should be added stickered parts which have applied stickers from showed sticker
set and they are already there.
So question is if this set was in variants for other airlines like this one
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?catID=67&catXrefLevel=0&catType=S&q=4032&catLike=W
There are 13 version of ser 4032 for diffrent ailines and each one have differebnt
sticker sheet.
So question is does this set also exists in variants for different airlines.
If yes then should be new set entry crated like in 4032 example. But for that
I think proof with boxed specimen would be needed?
Then such stickered part could be added for new set variant but not for current
1775 set.
I found only such informations about set 1775
- Promotional release with TWA and Qantas airlines.
- Also available in the US from LEGO Shop at Home.
I coudn't found any mentiones about promotional release for SAS.
Maybe it is internal release only for employees of SAS Hosting Service as it
is on sticker and they included for them exclusive sticker sheet?
These are my thoughts.
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| Author: | pikachu3 | | Posted: | Apr 30, 2020 09:15 | | Subject: | Re: Help with this color | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, BrickPhaisan writes:
| | Hello, I am new here and I have a problem with part 3002, since I have two parts
of this color that I do not know very well how to classify. Let's see if
someone knows how to tell me what color it is? to me it looks blue-purple.
Thanks in advance
|
Hard to tell for sure without other colors in your photo to compare it to, but
it looks like this to me: https://www.flickr.com/photos/126975831@N07/15210784018
Technically it’s supposed to be Blue, but it’s a harder, more fragile plastic
that looks a bit darker than normal.
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Apr 30, 2020 09:04 | | Subject: | Re: Item Type Discussion | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | Is this entire project now dead . . . ?
|
No, this project is not dead. We're still continually working on this page
and still planning to make it official on June 1st:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487
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| Author: | BrickPhaisan | | Posted: | Apr 30, 2020 08:18 | | Subject: | Re: Help with this color | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, BrickPhaisan writes:
| | Hello, I am new here and I have a problem with part 3002, since I have two parts
of this color that I do not know very well how to classify. Let's see if
someone knows how to tell me what color it is? to me it looks blue-purple.
Thanks in advance
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He reviewed the entire catalog color by color of this type, and this figure does
not appear in those colors ...
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| Author: | ErwinNL | | Posted: | Apr 30, 2020 08:05 | | Subject: | Re: Help with this color | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, BrickPhaisan writes:
| | Hello, I am new here and I have a problem with part 3002, since I have two parts
of this color that I do not know very well how to classify. Let's see if
someone knows how to tell me what color it is? to me it looks blue-purple.
Thanks in advance
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I am not 100% sure (color in photo) but did you know about: https://www.bricklink.com/catalogColors.asp
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| Author: | BrickPhaisan | | Posted: | Apr 30, 2020 08:03 | | Subject: | Help with this color | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
| Hello, I am new here and I have a problem with part 3002, since I have two parts
of this color that I do not know very well how to classify. Let's see if
someone knows how to tell me what color it is? to me it looks blue-purple.
Thanks in advance
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| Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | Apr 30, 2020 07:06 | | Subject: | Set 1775 alternative stickers | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
| I've just added [P=4867pb24] in hope that it will be accepted. Here's
a photo of the set. It's not mine, so I can't prove anything about it.
The building instructions are generic.
/Jan
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Apr 30, 2020 04:49 | | Subject: | Re: Item Type Discussion | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | […]
I had already questioned this in the admin forums yesterday. None of us even
knew this was happening, and we are as surprised as anyone else. We pretty much
got the rug pulled out from under us, and I honestly have no idea where we go
from here.
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Change the buying process, don’t ask anything to experienced buyers.
Change the selling process, don’t ask anything to experienced sellers.
Change the catalogue, don’t ask anything to catalogue admins BL appointed!
“Hobby project” indeed.
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I guess if you think about it, LEGO just made lego.com move up one place in the
best LEGO websites.
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Apr 30, 2020 04:43 | | Subject: | Re: Item Type Discussion | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | […]
I had already questioned this in the admin forums yesterday. None of us even
knew this was happening, and we are as surprised as anyone else. We pretty much
got the rug pulled out from under us, and I honestly have no idea where we go
from here.
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Change the buying process, don’t ask anything to experienced buyers.
Change the selling process, don’t ask anything to experienced sellers.
Change the catalogue, don’t ask anything to catalogue admins BL appointed!
“Hobby project” indeed.
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