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 Author: FreeStorm View Messages Posted By FreeStorm
 Posted: Feb 9, 2020 06:07
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My search for parts with integers and words numbers in description (of course
dimension like "1 x 2 x 2" is not included on integer number search)

result = 58 parts
You can start with "only" 58 parts and not 100K+

PS: my search is not perfect, but it not the goal
The goal is to reduce the search results for human brain analysis

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13252pb01
Windscreen 12 x 6 x 2 with Locking Dual 2 Fingers Hinge with SW Red Five X-wing
Starfighter Pattern (4 Stickers) - Set 10240

14222pb009
Duplo, Brick 1 x 3 x 2 Round Top, Cut Away Sides with Number 1 and Two Stars
in Circle Pattern

18455
Hinge Brick 2 x 4 Locking with 1 Finger on Top at One End

21557pb01
Minifigure, Headgear Helmet with Respiratory Pipe and SW Ep. 7 TIE Fighter Pilot
First Order with Two White Lines Pattern

21557pb03
Minifigure, Headgear Helmet with Respiratory Pipe and SW Ep. 8 TIE Fighter Pilot
First Order with Three White Lines Pattern

230.1stk01a
Sticker for Set 230-1 - Two Sheet Version - Sheet 1 - (4319)

230.1stk02a
Sticker for Set 230-1 - Two Sheet Version - Sheet 2 - (4096)

232stk01a
Sticker for Set 232 - Two Sheet Version - Sheet 1 - (4424)

232stk02a
Sticker for Set 232 - Two Sheet Version - Sheet 2 - (4102)

2335pb141
Flag 2 x 2 Square with Checkered Pattern on One Side, 2 Black Diagonal Corners
(Sticker) - Set 4982

24902
Cloth Cape with 4 Holes, Slit and Two Long Panels, Large Buildable Figures

2958pb002
Technic, Disk 3 x 3 with 4 Black Sections on One Side and 8 on Reverse Pattern

30350cpb033L
Tile, Modified 2 x 3 with 2 Clips (thick U clips) with 'FR ALL FOR ONE allinol'
Pattern Model Left Side (Sticker) - Set 8678

30350cpb033R
Tile, Modified 2 x 3 with 2 Clips (thick U clips) with 'FR ALL FOR ONE allinol'
Pattern Model Right Side (Sticker) - Set 8678

30360pb03
Cylinder 3 x 6 x 2 2/3 Horizontal with Two Scratched Space Police 3 Badges Pattern
(Stickers) - Set 5972

30414pb01
Brick, Modified 1 x 4 with 4 Studs on One Side with Black and Yellow Danger Stripes
Pattern (Sticker) - Set 7781

30414pb02
Brick, Modified 1 x 4 with 4 Studs on One Side with Train Logo White on Yellow
Background Pattern (Sticker) - Set 7939

3068bpb0112
Tile 2 x 2 with Groove with Grille Five Bar Pattern 1 (Sticker) - Set 7256

3068bpb0135
Tile 2 x 2 with Groove with Grille Five Bar Pattern 2 (Sticker) - Set 7256

3068bpb0141
Tile 2 x 2 with Groove with One White Triangle Pattern 1 (Sticker) - Set 7252

3068bpb0398
Tile 2 x 2 with Groove with One White Triangle Pattern 2 (Sticker) - Set 7252

3068bpb0672
Tile 2 x 2 with Groove with Two Yellow Stripes and Black Number 7 in White Circle
Pattern (Sticker) - Set 8154

3069bpb618
Tile 1 x 2 with Groove with Two Black Boxes with 3 Stripes Pattern (Sticker)
- Set 8681

31000pb28
Primo Brick 1 x 1 with Three Flowers and Number 3 on Opposite Side Pattern

31000pb29
Primo Brick 1 x 1 with Two Snakes and Number 2 on Opposite Side Pattern

32171pb032
Throwbot Disk, Jet / Judge, 3 pips, Jet throwing two disks Pattern

32171pb059
Throwbot Disk, Blaster, 6 pips, Blaster and two 'bots with fire background
Pattern

3298pb011
Slope 33 3 x 2 with Red Number 2 and Two Green Stripes Pattern

36315
Mini Doll, Cape Cloth, 5 Curly Points, One Side Black, One Side Dark Turquoise

41855pb09
Brick, Modified 2 x 2 x 2/3 Two Studs, Lip End with Silver/Black/Red Number 3
Left Half Pattern

41855pb10
Brick, Modified 2 x 2 x 2/3 Two Studs, Lip End with Silver/Black/Red Number 3
Right Half Pattern

42380apb01
Foam, Soccer Target 10 x 9 with One Hole and Number 5 and Soccer Ball (Football)
Pattern (Stickers) - Set 3423

4318
Boat Mast 2 x 2 x 9 2/3 Bar with Slot on Top and 2 Finger Hinge on Two Sides

45399
Garage Door 1 x 12 x 9 with Three Windows, Locking Dual 2 Finger Hinges

45403
Brick, Modified 5 x 12 with Two 1 x 2 Cutouts, 3 Holes on Side

45403c01
Brick, Modified 5 x 12 with Two 1 x 2 Cutouts, 1 Hole and 2 Fixed Rotatable Friction
Pins on Side

47456pb003
Brick, Modified 2 x 3 x 2/3 Two Studs, Wing End with 8 Black Stripes Pattern
(Stickers) - Set 8122

47456pb008L
Brick, Modified 2 x 3 x 2/3 Two Studs, Wing End with Rust and 3 Rivets Pattern
Model Left Side (Sticker) - Set 70143

47456pb008R
Brick, Modified 2 x 3 x 2/3 Two Studs, Wing End with Rust and 4 Rivets Pattern
Model Right Side (Sticker) - Set 70143

47457pb02
Brick, Modified 2 x 2 x 2/3 Two Studs, Curved Slope End with Yellow Triangle
on 3 Bars Pattern

48452cx1pb02
Technic Turntable Large Type 2 with Black Outside Gear Section with Two Silver
Tread Plates Pattern (Stickers) - Set 8292

5005358cdb02
Paper, Cardboard Backdrop for Set 5005358, Card with Two Square Holes and Pictures
of 5 Minifigures

52886
Mini Doll, Cape Cloth, Friends, Tapered with 1 Small Top Hole - Traditional Starched
Fabric, One Side Shiny

58006
Mini Doll, Cape Cloth, Scalloped 3 Points - Traditional Starched Fabric, One
Side Shiny

61484pb004
Windscreen 5 x 6 x 2 Curved Top Canopy with 4 Studs with Fire Logo with Two White
Stripes Pattern (Sticker) - Set 7207

61547pb01
Mini Doll, Cape Cloth, Bell Shaped with 3 Notches, One Side Magenta, One Side
Dark Purple

61667pb01
Mini Doll, Cape Cloth, 2 Long Tails, One Side Glitter

89509
Propeller 1 Blade 14L with Two Pin Holes and Four Axles

90640pb008
Hero Factory Armor with Ball Joint Socket - Size 4 with Three Stripes Pattern

BA013pb04
Stickered Assembly 2 x 4 with Six Ice Creams Pattern (Sticker) - Set 6414 - 2
Tiles 2 x 2

BA087pb01
Stickered Assembly 2 x 2 x 2 with Butterfly and Two Flowers Pattern (Sticker)
- Set 6410 - 1 Brick 1 x 2, 1 Brick 2 x 2

bb0141ac45
Electric, Wire 4.5V with two light gray 2-prong Type 1 connectors, 45 Studs Long

bb0141ac96
Electric, Wire 4.5V with two light gray 2-prong Type 1 connectors, 96 Studs Long

bb0236bc96
Electric, Wire 4.5V with two blue 2-prong Type 2 connectors (with cross-cut pins),
96 Studs Long

duploracer01
Duplo Car Formula One with Yellow Wheels and Yellow Number 1 Pattern

duploracer02
Duplo Car Formula One with Blue Bottom and Yellow Number 2 Pattern

duploracer02a
Duplo Car Formula One with Blue Bottom and Yellow Number 2 Pattern, 1 Stud in
Cab

x277
Hinge 1 x 4 Triangle with Two Pins, Locking 1 Finger
 Author: BrickCompulsion View Messages Posted By BrickCompulsion
 Posted: Feb 9, 2020 04:58
 Subject: Re: Description standardization note
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I totally support this change
Consistency is key
Maybe search and change all you can find and then put it out there on here for
messages about items missed. That’s if the sql person is on holiday or unavailable
 Author: calsbricks View Messages Posted By calsbricks
 Posted: Feb 9, 2020 04:49
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, mfav writes:
  It would be good for consistency in the catalog description if all instances
of numbers were either integers or words, not arbitrarily some of each.

I have noticed this before and definitely agree it needs to be worked on. The
problem is (and I'm starting to understand the rearranging the chairs thing)
there are too many problems.

In the case of this problem, you can't even find the problem because you
can't search for it. So it would involve examining every single catalog
entry. All 100K+ of them.

And perhaps, when the next problem comes along, examining all of them again.
It almost makes a person think that there must be a better way . .

The answer is really quite simple - talk to a SQL person and they will advise
you how to organise your query to find precisely what you want. It isn't
rocket science. .
 Author: FreeStorm View Messages Posted By FreeStorm
 Posted: Feb 9, 2020 03:59
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In the case of this problem, you can't even find the problem because you
can't search for it. So it would involve examining every single catalog
entry. All 100K+ of them.

What do you want to find?

Something like this?
"* three *" = 153 results
"* 3 *" = 6675 results
"* three *" AND "* 3 *" = 16 results

As example, last search find:
"Technic, Panel Car Spoiler 3 x 8 with Three Holes and Black and Yellow Danger
Stripes and Mud Pattern (Stickers) - Set 7968"

"Primo Brick 1 x 1 with Three Flowers and Number 3 on Opposite Side Pattern"

Of course,I made query to find only for "three" and "3" on same description,
but with a regexp it should be simple to spot every "word digit" with "digit"
on same description like "blah with two legs and 1 arm"

Some other incoherence (digit 3 should be between '' when you have pattern
after):
"*number 3 *pattern*" = 22 result
"*number '3' *pattern*" = 3 result

If you know what you want to find, it should be easy to make a search query,
to spot the majority of incoherence.

-Fred
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Feb 9, 2020 03:29
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In Catalog, mfav writes:
  It would be good for consistency in the catalog description if all instances
of numbers were either integers or words, not arbitrarily some of each.

I have noticed this before and definitely agree it needs to be worked on. The
problem is (and I'm starting to understand the rearranging the chairs thing)
there are too many problems.

In the case of this problem, you can't even find the problem because you
can't search for it. So it would involve examining every single catalog
entry. All 100K+ of them.

And perhaps, when the next problem comes along, examining all of them again.
It almost makes a person think that there must be a better way . . .
 Author: hpoort View Messages Posted By hpoort
 Posted: Feb 9, 2020 03:00
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In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog, mfav writes:
  It would be good for consistency in the catalog description if all instances
of numbers were either integers or words, not arbitrarily some of each.

So:

Three eyeballs, Three earlobes

or

3 eyeballs, 3 earlobes

not

Three eyeballs, 3 earlobes

...that kind of thing.

There are pros and cons for each option. Please investigate how the search mechanism
works to see which option yields better results.

Unfortunately, single digits are thrown out of many of the search results. But
I think in general one would find more numerals in item names than the words
spelled out simply because it makes the name shorter.

Please drop the keyword exclusion altogether.

It does not make sense to make use of a full text English language keyword exclusion
list, when the contents of the database is actually not normal full text English,
but a specific dialect: Bricklink English (EN-BL) in which it makes more sense
to search for keywords like 'with' and 'without' and for single
digits. It should be easy to adjust the database configuration. No programming
involved.

Hans-Peter
 Author: mfav View Messages Posted By mfav
 Posted: Feb 8, 2020 22:49
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In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  Unfortunately, single digits are thrown out of many of the search results.

Aren't you the fella to talk to to get that changed, Mister Site Manager?


  But I think in general one would find more numerals in item names than the words
spelled out simply because it makes the name shorter.

While that is undoubtedly true, it's not particularly helpful in any way.
If you search, say, legs assemblies...

search for "three" you get two results
search for "3" you get: The following keywords were excluded from your search:
3
...however there are 13 entries containing "3"

Isn't the point of StormBluser's standardization plan to fix this stuff?
To paraphrase the StormBluser: why name something like this when 75% of the search
words are invalid?

Again, I'll make the point you need to distinguish between identification
and discovery. The identification of a thing is irrelevant if it can't be
discovered. People use the search box to find things, they don't browse 180,000
individual items looking for "3". Hope you get my drift.

Aren't you the number one proponent of making the catalog useful? Let's
figure out a way to make it useful.
 Author: Leftoverbricks View Messages Posted By Leftoverbricks
 Posted: Feb 8, 2020 22:24
 Subject: Re: Sticker # When adding Items
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In Catalog, OmnipresentECA writes:
  I have come across a few tiles with stickers that are not in the catalog.
, nor in their set inventory.

How do I go about determining the Sticker # when Adding to the catalog.

For example one is a 87079pb###, how do I determine the last few digits?

Search for 87079pb*
You will get 725 results. The next ‘free’ number should be 726.
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Feb 8, 2020 21:24
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In Catalog, mfav writes:
  It would be good for consistency in the catalog description if all instances
of numbers were either integers or words, not arbitrarily some of each.

So:

Three eyeballs, Three earlobes

or

3 eyeballs, 3 earlobes

not

Three eyeballs, 3 earlobes

...that kind of thing.

There are pros and cons for each option. Please investigate how the search mechanism
works to see which option yields better results.

Unfortunately, single digits are thrown out of many of the search results. But
I think in general one would find more numerals in item names than the words
spelled out simply because it makes the name shorter.
 Author: mfav View Messages Posted By mfav
 Posted: Feb 8, 2020 21:08
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It would be good for consistency in the catalog description if all instances
of numbers were either integers or words, not arbitrarily some of each.

So:

Three eyeballs, Three earlobes

or

3 eyeballs, 3 earlobes

not

Three eyeballs, 3 earlobes

...that kind of thing.

There are pros and cons for each option. Please investigate how the search mechanism
works to see which option yields better results.
 Author: OmnipresentECA View Messages Posted By OmnipresentECA
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I have come across a few tiles with stickers that are not in the catalog.
, nor in their set inventory.

How do I go about determining the Sticker # when Adding to the catalog.

For example one is a 87079pb###, how do I determine the last few digits?
 Author: dcarmine View Messages Posted By dcarmine
 Posted: Feb 8, 2020 14:53
 Subject: Re: February Roadmap Project: Old and New
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In Catalog, axaday writes:
  In Catalog, dcarmine writes:
  According to the new standard for "difference types" the difference has to be
related to the way a part functions, not just cosmetic differences. So with
that rule, there would be only one entry for this hat.

I think there you are talking about run change things. Minor adjustments to
a mold to use less plastic or something that don't change its function at
all don't make "a difference". But a change of design on a hat makes it
a new hat.

Ok good to know.
Donna
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Feb 8, 2020 14:39
 Subject: Re: Questions about Unikitty / Counterparts
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In Catalog, mjwest83 writes:
  In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  But for all other sets, we've decided one entry is enough. To allow more
entries like this would create a precedent with huge implications. So your pending
entries will be rejected in a few days.

In regards to the two Unikitties in set
 
Set No: 70831  Name: Emmet's Dream House/Rescue Rocket
* 
70831-1 (Inv) Emmet's Dream House/Rescue Rocket
666 Parts, 4 Minifigures, 2019
Sets: The LEGO Movie 2
, if you only want to list
one of them, fine. But which one? The decision is totally arbitrary. The box
itself is effectively two separate presentations. It doesn't have a front
and back, so much as two fronts. If you look at the instructions, they do NOT
have numbers. Instead it has two equal, independent instruction books. Really,
this set is two completely independent sets that happen to use the same parts.
As such, choosing just one of those Unikitties is a completely arbitrary decision,
and it can be argued that either one should be the primary.

The box, instructions, and LEGO set description are definitive about the situation,
although it may not look that way at first.

(1) LEGO lists the first instruction manual as the one used to build the house.
(2) The set is named "Emmet's Dream House/Rescue Rocket!", so it is clear
which model is considered the main model and which is considered the alternate
model.
(3) The set description from LEGO.com says "This 2-in-1 construction toy features
Emmet’s home which can be rebuilt into a rocket."

All of the key information is there to determine that the main model is the house
and the alternate model is the rescue rocket. Based on that determination, the
instruction manual for the house takes precedence.

  This is NOT a case where there is an obvious primary build of the minifigure,
with a side picture showing an alternative build. (Like a character that has
both a helmet and hair, where one is the primary build, and the other is an alternative
for play purposes.) No, this is outright two separate minifigures that just happen
to use common parts. This is a very different case than just about any other
situation.

It cannot be two separate minifigures, because there is only one tail for Unikitty
in the set, as well as only one set of ears, one horn, and one headband plate.
Therefore, we have to make a decision about what minifigure gets added to the
set for now. That minifigure was determined based on the above data that I listed.
In the future, when the "Minifigs:" section of an inventory will hopefully just
be an "Assemblies:" section which includes other assembled counterparts, two
different assemblies of parts can be added. However, we are nowhere close to
that.

The admins can discuss this situation some more, but I don't believe we will
come to a different decision at this time.

Cheers,
Randy
 Author: mjwest83 View Messages Posted By mjwest83
 Posted: Feb 8, 2020 11:31
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In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  But for all other sets, we've decided one entry is enough. To allow more
entries like this would create a precedent with huge implications. So your pending
entries will be rejected in a few days.

In regards to the two Unikitties in set
 
Set No: 70831  Name: Emmet's Dream House/Rescue Rocket
* 
70831-1 (Inv) Emmet's Dream House/Rescue Rocket
666 Parts, 4 Minifigures, 2019
Sets: The LEGO Movie 2
, if you only want to list
one of them, fine. But which one? The decision is totally arbitrary. The box
itself is effectively two separate presentations. It doesn't have a front
and back, so much as two fronts. If you look at the instructions, they do NOT
have numbers. Instead it has two equal, independent instruction books. Really,
this set is two completely independent sets that happen to use the same parts.
As such, choosing just one of those Unikitties is a completely arbitrary decision,
and it can be argued that either one should be the primary.

This is NOT a case where there is an obvious primary build of the minifigure,
with a side picture showing an alternative build. (Like a character that has
both a helmet and hair, where one is the primary build, and the other is an alternative
for play purposes.) No, this is outright two separate minifigures that just happen
to use common parts. This is a very different case than just about any other
situation.

Also, if they can't be listed as counter-parts, how are they supposed to
be sold. It is flat out the case that this minifigure will be sold as a minifigure,
whether it has a specific listing or not. There are only two ways to do so: one
is as a custom figure (which is pointless) and the other is as an incomplete
set (which is what will be done). When listed as an incomplete set, this pollutes
the averages on which so much stuff is based. When it is such a small part of
the set, that can have a very over-sized impact on those averages. By allowing
the counterpart figure, you avoid those issues.
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Feb 8, 2020 02:39
 Subject: Re: February Roadmap Project: Old and New
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In Catalog, randyf writes:
  I suggest adding names and titles that have "Type 1", "Type 2", etc. in them
to the project. Those terms are useless.

I completely agree.

 
Part No: 4150pb063  Name: Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 1 Pattern (Sticker) - Set 7691
* 
4150pb063 Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 1 Pattern (Sticker) - Set 7691
Parts: Tile, Round, Decorated
 
Part No: 4150pb072  Name: Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 2 Pattern (Sticker) - Sets 7690 / 7691 / 7693 / 7697
* 
4150pb072 Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 2 Pattern (Sticker) - Sets 7690 / 7691 / 7693 / 7697
Parts: Tile, Round, Decorated
 
Part No: 4150pb101  Name: Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 3 Pattern (Sticker) - Sets 7691 / 7693
* 
4150pb101 Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 3 Pattern (Sticker) - Sets 7691 / 7693
Parts: Tile, Round, Decorated
 
Part No: 4150pb102  Name: Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 4 Pattern (Sticker) - Sets 7691 / 7693
* 
4150pb102 Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 4 Pattern (Sticker) - Sets 7691 / 7693
Parts: Tile, Round, Decorated
 
Part No: 4150pb103  Name: Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 5 Pattern (Sticker) - Sets 7693
* 
4150pb103 Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 5 Pattern (Sticker) - Sets 7693
Parts: Tile, Round, Decorated
 
Part No: 4150pb188  Name: Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 6 Pattern (Sticker) - Set 7692
* 
4150pb188 Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 6 Pattern (Sticker) - Set 7692
Parts: Tile, Round, Decorated
 
Part No: 4150pb189  Name: Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 7 Pattern (Sticker) - Set 7692
* 
4150pb189 Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 7 Pattern (Sticker) - Set 7692
Parts: Tile, Round, Decorated
 
Part No: 4150pb190  Name: Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 8 Pattern (Sticker) - Set 7697
* 
4150pb190 Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Neon Green Radar Type 8 Pattern (Sticker) - Set 7697
Parts: Tile, Round, Decorated

But I also know from experience that bundling too many things in together is
not conducive to finishing things. So I may make this a separate project. One
way or the other, it is needed.
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
 Posted: Feb 7, 2020 21:26
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In Catalog, dcarmine writes:
  According to the new standard for "difference types" the difference has to be
related to the way a part functions, not just cosmetic differences. So with
that rule, there would be only one entry for this hat.

I think there you are talking about run change things. Minor adjustments to
a mold to use less plastic or something that don't change its function at
all don't make "a difference". But a change of design on a hat makes it
a new hat.
 Author: mfav View Messages Posted By mfav
 Posted: Feb 7, 2020 21:10
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In Catalog, dcarmine writes:
  I have about 98% of the Harry Potter sets if you want to use that for year of
change or verification on that hat. I'm willing to look at them and report
what I find.

I'm content to let the mad geniuses of catalog control sort out the catalog.
I'm just documenting the differences I can find in the handful of hats I
have.

Regardless of whatever else, the presence of the prong on some hats and the absence
on others I would think constitutes a different mold, and the supercollectors
may want to note the differences. But, again, I'm content to let the catmins
sort all that out.

If you want to get really crazy, the undersides of the brims also exhibit differences
under the magnifying glass. Some are smooth, some have a pebbled inner and outer
ring, some have an inner ring with parallel striations instead of pebbling, a
couple have a narrow band of striations in an otherwise smooth inner ring. The
subtleties are kind of endless.

For whatever it's worth, though, mine are:
Black 90460: fine pebbling overall
Black: smooth cone, pebbled brim, with prong,
Black: slightly pebbled cone, pebbled brim, with prong,
Blue, Purple, Green: slightly pebbled cone, definitely pebbled brim, with prong
Dark Green, Dark Green with dragon decoration: definitely pebbled cone and brim,
no prong
Tan: slightly pebbled cone, definitely pebbled brim, no prong
Light Purple: cone too beat up to tell if it's smooth or slightly pebbled,
definitely pebbled brim, with prong
The dark green ones and the 90460 are pretty much pristine; the others are old
and worn. Your mileage may vary.

My sample size is small, so additional data is probably warranted if the admins
want to try to make sense of it.

I just updated the hats page with closeups. Don't know if you saw that version
or the earlier no-closeups version.

My opinion otherwise though is that using renders instead of photographs for
the parts is misleading for the collector.

Did I mention: The page cannot be displayed because an internal server error
has occurred.
 Author: dcarmine View Messages Posted By dcarmine
 Posted: Feb 7, 2020 19:55
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In Catalog, mfav writes:
  On further inspection, I find I have four variants.

Page updated.

http://v4ei.com/brickref/wizard-hats.php

According to the new standard for "difference types" the difference has to be
related to the way a part functions, not just cosmetic differences. So with
that rule, there would be only one entry for this hat.

I don't know if that rule applies to minifig categories, but I guess it depends
on how far down the "collector's details" rabbit hole you want to go. .

I have about 98% of the Harry Potter sets if you want to use that for year of
change or verification on that hat. I'm willing to look at them and report
what I find.

HTH
Donna
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
 Posted: Feb 7, 2020 19:10
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I reformatted a BUNCH of road signs with type 1 and type 2 bases. They should
perhaps be (xxxx / xxxx) like tire combinations?

In Catalog, randyf writes:
  I suggest adding names and titles that have "Type 1", "Type 2", etc. in them
to the project. Those terms are useless.

Cheers,
Randy

In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  We are finally making serious headway with the catalog backlog. The catalog
change requests queue is cleared out.

In the spirit of trying to ensure that the Catalog Roadmap is not just something
to look at, I am continuing with the goal of moving through one project each
month. We have essentially had a January project (flesh to nougat) and there
is a new project starting today for February:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476

What is this project?

This project involves accurately describing the differences between early (old)
versions of an item and later (new) versions. We need this for two reasons:

1. Using the words "old" and "new" were easy ways to avoid having to describe
actual differences between items. Set numbers in minifigure titles performed
the same function, which is why they were removed.

2. When a third version of an item appears, the old/new descriptors are useless.
Similar items should be described by their differences (usually the way in which
the later version is different from the earlier version).

There are around 500-1000 items expected to be affected by this project.

How can members contribute?

For the immediate moment, members may contribute by submitting title change requests.
I'm not sure how we're going to do item numbers yet, so hold off on
those. If you're not confident that you know exactly what this project entails
or need clarification on a specific issue, then please ask before submitting
a request.

For the immediate moment, ignore the additional topic bundled with this project
(looking at the use of with/without in titles). We may be able to include that,
or it may need to be made its own project. This project should also look at
the use of early/later descriptors since they serve the same function as the
terms old/new.

The goal is to wrap this up by the end of February. Of course, we also have
catalog work still to do and that takes precedence over projects - so this may
run over schedule.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
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I suggest adding names and titles that have "Type 1", "Type 2", etc. in them
to the project. Those terms are useless.

Cheers,
Randy

In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  We are finally making serious headway with the catalog backlog. The catalog
change requests queue is cleared out.

In the spirit of trying to ensure that the Catalog Roadmap is not just something
to look at, I am continuing with the goal of moving through one project each
month. We have essentially had a January project (flesh to nougat) and there
is a new project starting today for February:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476

What is this project?

This project involves accurately describing the differences between early (old)
versions of an item and later (new) versions. We need this for two reasons:

1. Using the words "old" and "new" were easy ways to avoid having to describe
actual differences between items. Set numbers in minifigure titles performed
the same function, which is why they were removed.

2. When a third version of an item appears, the old/new descriptors are useless.
Similar items should be described by their differences (usually the way in which
the later version is different from the earlier version).

There are around 500-1000 items expected to be affected by this project.

How can members contribute?

For the immediate moment, members may contribute by submitting title change requests.
I'm not sure how we're going to do item numbers yet, so hold off on
those. If you're not confident that you know exactly what this project entails
or need clarification on a specific issue, then please ask before submitting
a request.

For the immediate moment, ignore the additional topic bundled with this project
(looking at the use of with/without in titles). We may be able to include that,
or it may need to be made its own project. This project should also look at
the use of early/later descriptors since they serve the same function as the
terms old/new.

The goal is to wrap this up by the end of February. Of course, we also have
catalog work still to do and that takes precedence over projects - so this may
run over schedule.
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
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Minifig No: nba002  Name: NBA Jason Kidd, New Jersey Nets #5
* 
nba002 (Inv) NBA Jason Kidd, New Jersey Nets #5
Minifigures: Sports: Basketball

So like we would change this to "NBA Jason Kidd, Dark Blue Jersey Nets #5", right?

 Author: mfav View Messages Posted By mfav
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On further inspection, I find I have four variants.

Page updated.

http://v4ei.com/brickref/wizard-hats.php
 Author: mfav View Messages Posted By mfav
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In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
  Sure! I'll play along...

I am not convinced that 90460 is really a new version of 6131.

I don't know which number to ascribe to which hat, but there are hat differences.
http://v4ei.com/brickref/wizard-hats.php
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In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
  Sure! I'll play along...

I am not convinced that 90460 is really a new version of 6131.

 
Part No: 90460  Name: Minifigure, Headgear Hat, Wizard / Witch, Slightly Textured
* 
90460 Minifigure, Headgear Hat, Wizard / Witch, Slightly Textured
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear
 
Part No: 6131  Name: Minifigure, Headgear Hat, Wizard / Witch
* 
6131 Minifigure, Headgear Hat, Wizard / Witch
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear

They look the same and LEGO uses the same thumbnail image for both. The small
image in Dark Green that I submitted for 90460 was back in the days before I
knew what I was doing. I cannot confirm the part number or what set it was from.
(I guess we all start somewhere!)

Anyway, I would like to see convincing side by side proof that they are significantly
different even if they have different mold numbers. I have not found any molded
with 90460. My Witch from Series 2 has been played with so I cannot confirm it
there either.

I am open to hearing any ideas or missing information about this!

I've got a question, Jen...

When are you going to arrive at the same conclusion that StormChaser already
has, that the BL catalog needs those like you (passion for, and knowledge of
the catalog process) and rejoin the team?

It is abundantly clear, that like Robert, you care and are impassioned about
BrickLink's catalog construction.

Consider with those already in place, and you (maybe a few others I can think
of) it would be the makings of a BL Catalog Dream Team.
 Author: jennnifer View Messages Posted By jennnifer
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Sure! I'll play along...

I am not convinced that 90460 is really a new version of 6131.

 
Part No: 90460  Name: Minifigure, Headgear Hat, Wizard / Witch, Slightly Textured
* 
90460 Minifigure, Headgear Hat, Wizard / Witch, Slightly Textured
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear
 
Part No: 6131  Name: Minifigure, Headgear Hat, Wizard / Witch
* 
6131 Minifigure, Headgear Hat, Wizard / Witch
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear

They look the same and LEGO uses the same thumbnail image for both. The small
image in Dark Green that I submitted for 90460 was back in the days before I
knew what I was doing. I cannot confirm the part number or what set it was from.
(I guess we all start somewhere!)

Anyway, I would like to see convincing side by side proof that they are significantly
different even if they have different mold numbers. I have not found any molded
with 90460. My Witch from Series 2 has been played with so I cannot confirm it
there either.

I am open to hearing any ideas or missing information about this!
Thanks,
Jen

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