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An oblique reply to your scenario, and a reason why pre-assembly may be in the
best interest of all parties ….

About a year back, I parted out a 70111-1. In it is the Furty minifig. When I
attempted to assemble the Furty, the torso snapped and cracked. That was during
the period in which some colors have been described as brittle. While
that was unusual, it did prevent a problem from being sold, and then having to
be remedied. All the subsidiary bits were then listed and sold on their own.
The torso was round filed.

Nita Rae

In Suggestions, jgrossman1025 writes:

I don't understand why this is an issue. If you are this picky about condition
message the seller and ask. It's your money and your item you are purchasing
but i am pretty sure more than half of people wouldn't care if they got a
"new figure" assembled by the seller. In my opinion this would still be "New"
as it was never used or played with. Maybe my opinion is unpopular but thats
my 2 cents.

Thanks, Noah

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SylvainLS

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Nov 9, 2022 14:22

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In Suggestions, 1001bricks writes:

In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:

In Suggestions, 1001bricks writes:

[…]
This last point shows us that, as nobody like extra work, the only reason a seller
would do this... is simply because it's their pleasure to do this.

Shhh! First rule of the sellers club: don’t confess you play with the parts
you sell!

Yeah... but what, how would you know about the Sellers Club!?

Well, I’ve seller status. And then I was told about the rules and said ‘not
for me!’

The most offending rule was that I would have to part from my parts! (You sell
something and the buyers want you to ship it to them! Ludicrous!)

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1001bricks

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Nov 9, 2022 14:16

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In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:

In Suggestions, 1001bricks writes:

[…]
This last point shows us that, as nobody like extra work, the only reason a seller
would do this... is simply because it's their pleasure to do this.

Shhh! First rule of the sellers club: don’t confess you play with the parts
you sell!

Yeah... but what, how would you know about the Sellers Club!?

Author:

SylvainLS

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Nov 9, 2022 14:09

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In Suggestions, 1001bricks writes:

[…]
This last point shows us that, as nobody like extra work, the only reason a seller
would do this... is simply because it's their pleasure to do this.

Shhh! First rule of the sellers club: don’t confess you play with the parts
you sell!

Much more, it deprives the buyer of this pleasure.

IMO.

Author:

1001bricks

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Nov 9, 2022 14:06

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In Suggestions, 1001bricks writes:

Yes - assembling for selling New shouldn't be allowed.

I would add:

1) The it's to be sure argument is false; you can't be sure of
a 3 or 5 parts order without assembling them all? I wish you don't have a
300 lots order...

2) The it's for the parts not to be damaged in transit argument, same
BS. What about other parts, like Bricks/Plates/Dishes or fragile Panels/Windows?
I guess people don't assemble them! So why would anyone assemble only Minifigures?

3) It does take actual extra Seller time.

This last point shows us that, as nobody like extra work, the only reason a seller
would do this... is simply because it's their pleasure to do this.

Much more, it deprives the buyer of this pleasure.

IMO.

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jgrossman1025

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Nov 9, 2022 12:56

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In Suggestions, rab1234 writes:

One of the bigger problems in my mind is how crooked sellers use this rule to
sell used figures as if they're new and jack up the prices. This really
hurts Bricklink's platform as a whole with just a couple of untrustworthy
sellers ruining the reputation.

I agree with this point it is important to keep people from saying used are new.
But i personally don't feel like assembling them makes them used. Crooked
sellers selling used as new are a problem i definitely agree. I just don't
think an assembled minifigure is the same thing. My opinion could be wrong though.

Thanks, Noah

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rab1234

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Nov 9, 2022 12:45

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The argument of preventing scratching is silly in my opinion since it's already
been shipped to you loose with other parts (unless you're plucking the torso
directly from the assembly line with white cotton gloves). As for ensuring completeness,
there's no difference between assembling them and putting them in a bag and
just putting the parts in the bag. You still have to check for completeness.

In Suggestions, Bricklord writes:

1-800-waah.

I have been selling 20+ years on here and on Ebay before that. I have always
assembled miinfigs taken from sets, less cloth parts, and sealed them individually
in baggies. This is done to both ensure completeness of the minifigs and that
the parts don't scratch and damage one another. What you are complaining
about and your suggested course of action for it will cause far more issues for
those reasons than is worth the sating of your splitting of hairs 'complaint'.

In Suggestions, enig writes:

Currently rules are as follows:
New Parts - Parts are brand new, taken directly from new sets or were purchased
"as new" in another form such as accessory packs or Pick A Brick and have been
handled only for sorting. These parts have never been used in any manner. If
a minifigure or part assembly was originally sold assembled by LEGO, its component
parts after disassembly can also be listed as new.

Plus:
New Minifigures - Minifigures are brand new, taken directly from new sets
or were purchased "as new" in another form such as accessory packs or Pick A
Brick and have been handled only for sorting. Minifigures may be listed as new
either assembled or unassembled.

Scenario - I buy a NEW minifig from a seller with an intention to part it out
and sell as parts. But the seller is inconsiderate enough to assemble the new
minifigs for sale.

Rules only allow the sale of the previously assembled minifig's parts as
'new' only if the said assembled minifig was originally sold assembled
by LEGO.

@BL Team - please explain how this is not contradictory and/or fix this
once and for all. Disallowing the assembly of NEW minifigs for sale would be
the sensible thing to do?

OR! And this would be the worst way to solve this and thus I assume the most
likely one - add an additional setting for 'assembled' or 'unassembled'
for minifig listings and specifically disallow the sale of minifig parts as new
if they were previously assembled by someone else other than LEGO.

This must have been raised a million times before. Why is there such a strong
unwillingness to address this?

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If the rule change is made, there should also be an exemption for listings with
IDs that precede the date of the rule change. Plus perhaps a greyed-out small
text added to ALL 'mew' minifig listings telling the buyer to familiarize
themselves with the rules.

Being a bit acid on this topic is, I am afraid, becoming mandatory. You know
why.

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1001bricks

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Nov 9, 2022 12:40

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Are you sure you're not just complaining to complain?

Says the specialist of it!

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1001bricks

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Nov 9, 2022 12:39

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I have been selling 20+ years on here and on Ebay before that. I have always
assembled miinfigs taken from sets, less cloth parts, and sealed them individually
in baggies.

I do have habits for 20+ years also.
It doesn't mean those are all good habits.

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Bricklord

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Nov 9, 2022 11:50

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