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In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:

In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:

In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:

In Suggestions, bje writes:

In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:

In Suggestions, Teup writes:

In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:

In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:

Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

BrickLink is busy with USA sales taxes, we really should not expect multitasking
in their attempts to break things. They did say they will address the Brexit
issues before 5 February (they did not say which aeon though).

No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

As almost everyone on this forum knows I am not Bricklink's biggest fan as
far as developmenet work goes however I think in this case it is fair to say
that the UK hasn't yet got it right and neither does the rest of the EU -
Just look at the below from a site we use regularly. (Don't forget we still
have VAT to look forward to

Yes, true. UK hasn't got it on the track. EU does however. On the short term
EU draws the longest straw, more and more companies are moving away from UK in
favor of EU or elsewhere. That is a loss for the UK regrettably, but needles
to say UK wanted the Brexit no the EU. On the long run it is inconclusive if
this development is a good thing. Cooperation is imo the better road how complicated
it might be.

So maybe it is the best of worst to exclude UK for now. Until they got their
things together. But I give you this, it is very complicated.

Things are together, at least at other websites. I've ordered non-lego parts
from aliexpress since the change from different sellers. VAT was charged and
all were clear on the declaration that VAT was paid. Similarly I've ordered
lego parts from Germany, via another online marketplace website, VAT paid there
too.

Author:

calsbricks

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Feb 21, 2021 09:02

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In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:

In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:

In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:

In Suggestions, bje writes:

In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:

In Suggestions, Teup writes:

In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:

In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:

Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

We will bide our time before we make up our mind on the way forward - a lot depends
o how BL deal with it and that, according to them, is still pretty much unknown.

We have turned away a few orders since Jan 1 from different areas in the EU -
ione we processed and a simple cn22 - posted it and the buyer got it in good
time and here were no snags (Switzerland - which isn't really part of the
EU but all went okay).

Author:

leggodtshop

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Feb 21, 2021 08:24

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Re: Brexit

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In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:

In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:

In Suggestions, bje writes:

In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:

In Suggestions, Teup writes:

In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:

In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:

Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

Author:

Stacey_Love

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Feb 21, 2021 07:10

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Re: Brexit

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https://www.gov.uk/online-and-distance-selling-for-businesses

In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:

In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:

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That is because many other sites link to the gov.uk pages. So rather than just
have dead links, they tell you it is now out of date, so you know to look up
the correct information on the site.

Considering the URL, that page should never be a dead link. That page should
always contain the up-to-date info, not obsolete info with a tiny warning.

If a site links to that page as a reference to something the site says while
that something is not true anymore, it’s the site’s problem.

Exactly, england webpages are not correct, chamber du commerce dite CN 23, c’est
obligatoire pour le anglaise

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SylvainLS

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Feb 21, 2021 07:02

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https://www.gov.uk/online-and-distance-selling-for-businesses

In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:

[…]

That is because many other sites link to the gov.uk pages. So rather than just
have dead links, they tell you it is now out of date, so you know to look up
the correct information on the site.

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bje

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Feb 21, 2021 06:33

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In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
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No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

I recently promised more details on our Brexit solution, but I will just be frank
with you, that what you have described is exactly the case. We are waiting to
hear from our tax professionals as to how we need to proceed, and they are waiting
to hear from the authorities. It feels as if we are actually further from a solution
at this point than we were at the beginning of the year.

With all due respect, as one of those who have closed down sales to the UK and
losing some busienss because of it, you went and registered as an Online Marketplace
all by yourselves when even the worst advisor would have told you, BrickLink
is not an OMP for UK VAT purposes. If you had to register as a vendor for VAT
purposes that would have allowed you to collect VAT on your fees and pay VAT
on your sales originating in the UK when you have AFOL program again which is
part of your UK turnover.

But by registering as an online marketplace vendor you are factually liable to
collect the VAT on every export sale to the UK made on this platform. You are
also factually liable to give buyers invoices as sellers are not the vendors.
You do not have to share the VAT number with me, all you have you to do is, when
a buyer place an order, invoice the buyer VAT inclusive, collect the money and
disburse it - VAT to the government, sale and shipping to me, exactly as an online
marketplace for UK VAT purposes is supposed to do.

Certainly, if your advisors are spinning their wheels, you should get other advisors.
BrickLink is not only responsible to BrickLink. If you view BrickLink as a marketplace,
then BrickLink is responsible to buyers and sellers as well. And that is where
you are missing the pot and messing on the floor and we all have to wade in the
mess caused by it. If your registration is not as an OMP fior UK VAT purposes,
but as a normal UK vendor, then say so so that sellers can register for VAT and
be done with it. But please do not tell me that you are an online OMP for UK
VAT purposes then still require of me to invoice a buyer - that birdie don't
fly.

And as has been mentioned - the UK is not in the EU any longer - it does not
require input from the government or a tax advisor to fix a search function which
has been wrong for almost two months.

Author:

yorbrick

Posted:

Feb 21, 2021 06:29

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In Suggestions, Stacey_Love writes:

In Suggestions, Stellar writes:

In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:

In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:

In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:

In Suggestions, bje writes:

In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:

In Suggestions, Teup writes:

In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:

In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:

Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

We have already pointed you links from the UK Gov website (authorities) explaining
things.

BL is still charging EU VAT in sales to UK, and that is without doubt illegal...
At least we sellers can disable it. But for sales under 135GBP B2C it is illegal
not to charge UK 20% VAT and remit it to UK HMRC.

Those are factually correct...

If the problem is if you are legally not sure if BL is an OMP or not, this maybe
needs a decision of just accepting it is a OMP even thought legally could be
defended is not (hypothetically).

Then decide to gather the UK VAT the same as US TAX, that would make BL a stronger
platform, because the other option means BL sellers will have to register by
themselves and most would not do it. This will mostly close the international
UK buying options.

And this would happen again and again as each country creates new laws to collect
VAT on buyers behalf. US and Norway since last year, UK since two months ago,
EU in four months from now...

Here is what other website puts on the invoices to UK if this helps:

20% UK Import VAT has been paid on this order via the online marketplace XXXXXXXXX
Ltd with VAT ID GBXXXXXXXXX. For more information see https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-and-overseas-goods-sold-to-customers-in-the-uk-using-online-marketplaces

You already have the development to take a % fee from a PayPal or Stripe payment,
this would work the same for now, even simpler because it would be a fixed VAT
rate depending of the buyer country.
But best would be if offsite payments would be accepted too, and in those cases
the % VAT owed to BL from the seller paid by IBAN transfer that has no fees for
most, we understand this can come at a later date.

Russell, sincerely, what I mean is just one question...

What are your tax professionals expecting to hear from the authorities that it
is not already explained in the UK GOV website?

Thanks

I particularly like the uk.gov website regarding distance selling, this is there
advice."

The Brexit transition period has ended and new rules on distance selling now
apply. This page is currently out of date.

https://www.gov.uk/online-and-distance-selling-for-businesses

That is because many other sites link to the gov.uk pages. So rather than just
have dead links, they tell you it is now out of date, so you know to look up
the correct information on the site.

Author:

yorbrick

Posted:

Feb 21, 2021 06:26

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In Suggestions, Stacey_Love writes:

In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:

In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:

In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:

In Suggestions, bje writes:

In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:

In Suggestions, Teup writes:

In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:

In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:

Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

And what are we supposed to do in the meantime ?. ......... Is the only option
to register for england vat, or exclude selling to england ?.

And can you fix the selling zones as england is defiantly not in the EU. Thanks.

There is no such thing as England VAT. Similarly you cannot exclude just England.
There is UK VAT, and you can exclude UK.

Author:

Stacey_Love

Posted:

Feb 21, 2021 06:24

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In Suggestions, Stellar writes:

In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:

In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:

In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:

In Suggestions, bje writes:

In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:

In Suggestions, Teup writes:

In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:

In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:

Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

Author:

Stellar

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Feb 21, 2021 06:05

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Re: Brexit

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