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In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:

The only Greys on BrickLink are Gandalf and Phoenix.
Jen

And you as well now because I will forever more think of you as Jennifer Grey.

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jennnifer

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Feb 17, 2021 17:07

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In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:

Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.

Jen

How about we rename Light Bluish Gray to Light Grey, and retain the "A" for the
older color:

Light Gray (1970s through 2003)
Light Grey (2004 though the present)

That would be hilarious! And terrible.

We could call retired colors 'colours' too. It would be a theme.

The only Greys on BrickLink are Gandalf and Phoenix.
Jen

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peregrinator

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Feb 17, 2021 16:53

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In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:

How about we rename Light Bluish Gray to Light Grey, and retain the "A" for the
older color:

Light Gray (1970s through 2003)
Light Grey (2004 though the present)

I have a hard enough time telling them apart as it is...

Author:

cosmicray

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Feb 17, 2021 16:47

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In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:

In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:

In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:

In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:

I am not trying to stir up bad feelings or cause trouble, but the reality
is that if we change our names to suit some users, we are causing problems for
others. It's like BrickLink's XP wanted to dumb down our catalog structure
so that newbies have less trouble. What they ended up with was a mess! There's
a balance and I think much of what we have built here is good for most of us
and occasionally confusing for new people.

I think the OP should also consider the irony in Jennifer not thinking this is
a good idea, having been involved in the last change AND having th store name
“OLD GREY BRICKS”.

Let it be, let it be, let it be, let it be
Whisper words of wisdom, let it be

Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.

Jen

How about we rename Light Bluish Gray to Light Grey, and retain the "A" for the
older color:

Light Gray (1970s through 2003)
Light Grey (2004 though the present)

If memory serves me correct, there was some lack of continuity in the names of
the original greys, back in the first 12 or 24 months of BL. I think they started
one way, and got flipped to the other spelling.

Then bluish arrived, and kicked the cart over big time (i.e. a significant group
of early adopters of BL were miffed at the change of the greys, and made their
feelings known … vociferously)

Nita Rae

Author:

Admin_Russell

Posted:

Feb 17, 2021 16:34

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In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:

In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:

In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:

Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.

Jen

How about we rename Light Bluish Gray to Light Grey, and retain the "A" for the
older color:

Light Gray (1970s through 2003)
Light Grey (2004 though the present)

Author:

LegoLDK

Posted:

Feb 17, 2021 16:29

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In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:

In Suggestions, LegoLDK writes:

Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.

Jen

By your own way you mean in proper English english?

Yes! For certain, I read a lot more books by English authors than any other.
I have no idea where else my preference may have originated.

So, I blame Miss
Austen et al.

Jen

Miss Austen does tell a good tale. Why hasn’t Lego done a Pride & Prejudice set?

Author:

SylvainLS

Posted:

Feb 17, 2021 15:46

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In Suggestions, LegoLDK writes:

Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.

Jen

By your own way you mean in proper English english?

Isn’t “English English” the proper English English way to write “English English”?

Author:

jennnifer

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Feb 17, 2021 15:35

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In Suggestions, LegoLDK writes:

Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.

Jen

By your own way you mean in proper English english?

Yes! For certain, I read a lot more books by English authors than any other.
I have no idea where else my preference may have originated.

So, I blame Miss
Austen et al.

Jen

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brickerking

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Feb 17, 2021 15:10

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In Suggestions, LegoLDK writes:

Love it. I particularly liked the “ if someone’s name is Grey you shouldn’t change
it to Gray because you think it’s spelt incorrectly” tip.

That writer is committing name-ism. If I think your name is Gray, and you think
it's Grey, who are you to tell me what I should think. I'll speak my
truth, thank you very much.

Author:

LegoLDK

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Feb 17, 2021 15:02

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In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:

In Suggestions, LegoLDK writes:

Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.

Jen

By your own way you mean in proper English English?

Pip pip, cheerio: https://www.grammarly.com/blog/gray-grey/

Love it. I particularly liked the “ if someone’s name is Grey you shouldn’t change
it to Gray because you think it’s spelt incorrectly” tip.

Author:

brickerking

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Feb 17, 2021 14:33

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In Suggestions, LegoLDK writes:

Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.

Jen

By your own way you mean in proper English English?

Pip pip, cheerio: https://www.grammarly.com/blog/gray-grey/

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LegoLDK

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Feb 17, 2021 14:25

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Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.

Jen

By your own way you mean in proper English english?

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DeLuca

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Feb 17, 2021 11:36

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In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:

In Suggestions, TheOneDavid writes:

My number of Wanted Lists has expanded into chaos. I'm working on a big project
and I would really appreciate sublists (or superlists) in the Wanted List section.
What I mean is basically the possibility to have a new list inside of a Wanted
List. For example a regular Wanted List containing a load of items AND another
list called "extra parts". Or a Wanted List called "castle" containing my castle
related lists. I hope you get the idea. Please make this happen!!

Can't you just use multiple lists to do almost the same thing, with systematic
naming.

So for example call them

Castle Main Keep
Castle Main Keep extra parts
Castle Hideout cave
Castle Forest shelter
Castle Minifigs

You can, but the downside is that if you use the same part in the same
colour across multiple lists, you will not be able to merge the lists into a
single one when purchasing the parts. The only way around this is to put the
entire quantity of a desired part into one list (leaving it out of the
others), but this would quickly become difficult-to-impossible in the case of
a large project that (presumably) reuses many of the same pieces. 😕

Author:

infinibrix

Posted:

Feb 17, 2021 11:30

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In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:

In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:

In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

Well as someone who buys and sells accross multiple platforms I can tell you
it creates immense confusion not just for me but no doubt my customers also.
To start with should I label my own stocks/inventory as per Legos Colour Names
(Medium Stone Grey) or Bricklinks (Light Bluish Grey) and then how should
I list them for sale on other sites like ebay? should I just play it safe and
call it (Light Grey) and hope that an inexpereinced parent buying for kids can
make sense of it all or should I be concerned that an expereinced buyer is going
to quiz me on the fact that I've sold them Light Bluish grey instead of the
described Light Grey? Either way it seems I already have three different reference
names in use for the same colour depending on where I'm buying or where I'm
selling, who I'm picking for or how I'm labelling my inverntory!? Not
confusing enough?

I think this paragraph helps us understand more of why you are requesting this
colour name change. I assume you want more uniformity in colour names that will
spread to other platforms that you sell lego on like eBay. Frankly, I don't
think that's a valid reason to be pushing this change on BL. BL colour designations
were designed for reselling, not LEGO brand continuity. If you are using eBay,
then you are selling to the wild west since they are obviously not lego specific.
People will buy grey megabloks as much as grey lego on eBay, so why should that
concern BL users or the way BL labels colours?

Because I have Bricklink users that shop with me on all three platforms be that
ebay, BL or BO and is that so surprising? Either way it does'nt surprise
me that a minor point I make gets inflated on the forum as this huge Single reason
I'm seeking to have sensible colour names. If you read my other posts in
this thread then you may start to understand my reasoning more clearly?

I don't see how it is in BrickLink's best interest to make it easier
to sell on other websites. We want both buyers and sellers to come to OUR website
with their business.

The color names we have are there because they describe the color for what it
is. The new grays definitely have a bluish tint, and the new brown has a lot
of red in it. There is something written about the history here:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2500

Russell it would be naive to assume sellers here don't sell on other platforms?
Remember sellers that sell elsewhere probably also buy stocks here besides which
if I predominiently already make most of my sales elsewhere you could use that
same train of thought to make it easier for me or atleast encourage me to sell
more here on Bricklink?

also with regards to the colour definitions at what point do you have to go back
to using the basic colour names such as Ligth grey and Dark Grey again? because
if Lego do indeed keep releasing new shades for all colours there is only so
many times you can keep using terms like reddish or bluish to describe what people
see as a simple light or dark shades of greys or browns and there will come a
point when colours need to be defined in their simple forms again! I'm only
pointing out the inevitable where it will become increasingly difficult to define
colours using meaningful descriptions when all the good sensible colour names
have been used already to accomodate discontinued colours?

Author:

yorbrick

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Feb 17, 2021 11:12

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In Suggestions, TheOneDavid writes:

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brickerking

Posted:

Feb 17, 2021 11:10

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In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:

In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

were designed for reselling, not LEGO brand continuity. If you are using eBay,
then you are selling to the wild west since they are obviously not lego specific.
People will buy grey megabloks as much as grey lego on eBay, so why should that
concern BL users or the way BL labels colours?

Just to add you cant start here:-

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1253376

OK if you say so.

Sorry, perhaps I aimed my reply a little too personally. It's great to have
a discussion about these things. What I mean is that, in general, I don't
think we need to think about LEGO brand continuity in our colour change discussion.
Yes, BL is part of LEGO, but at arms length. I think that's a good thing.
BL has an established cataloging system that was built with the goal of reselling
and maybe collecting in mind. I understand you are trying to make a change here
to cater to new users who might get confused with the naming of gray bricks.
I submit to you that you will run into a learning curve in any hobby. No matter
what you call the colour, there will be confusion just because of the fact that
there are two different kinds of gray colours that are very similar. I mean seriously,
I have use a special light to tell them apart. However, buyers want LG bricks
just as much as LBG bricks to complete an old set or just for variety. Both colours
are in demand.

I don't think changing the name would solve the problem. Education might
be the better way to go. If BL had more of a user friendly blog section they
could educate the community on certain aspects of the LEGO hobby like the difference
between LG and LBG. That would be a great marketing strategy, but I think they
have their hands full right now and the foreseeable future with... taxes.

Author:

infinibrix

Posted:

Feb 17, 2021 11:07

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In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:

In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:

In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

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Admin_Russell

Posted:

Feb 17, 2021 10:55

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In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:

In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

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infinibrix

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Feb 17, 2021 10:50

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In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:

In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

Just to add you cant start here:-

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1253376

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infinibrix

Posted:

Feb 17, 2021 10:42

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In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:

In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

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ThisOneBrick

Posted:

Feb 17, 2021 10:39

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Wanted Lists: Sublists

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Open

Vote:

[Yes|No]

Author:

brickerking

Posted:

Feb 17, 2021 10:33

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In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

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infinibrix

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Feb 17, 2021 10:06

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In Suggestions, tec writes:

In conclusion I was not thinking enough, i'm sorry I haven't advanced
any good contributions

Don't worry neither have I with my original post and subsequent responses

Author:

SylvainLS

Posted:

Feb 17, 2021 09:53

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In Suggestions, tec writes:

[…]
For the names-switch I was thinking of NOT changing db and the like, just rewrite
words in the page when it is showed to us. No need to change the engine. Just
like sites in multiple languages, they seem to replace text with other text,
not changing what the site does.

Where do you think they get the translations from?

Translations are stored somewhere and retrieved according to the “locale” (language
and other local conventions).
For applications, the texts are replaced before being written on the screen (not
word for word, entire texts). For websites, it’s generally the entire pages
that are rewritten (or they have a generator or engine that works the same way
as applications). But the translations need to be somewhere.
And for BL’s catalogue, that somewhere would be the database.

And then, the engine (processing) would need to be changed too, to make the replacements.

Either
— you replace whole texts (for instance, the description of 970c85 “Hips and
Dark Bluish Gray Legs” is replaced by “Hips and Dark Stone Grey Legs”), and then
you need to store two descriptions for every part with colour names in the description,
— or you replace only the colour names (that is, every time you see “Dark Bluish
Gray” you write “Dark Stone Grey”), and then you need a more complicated mechanism
to find & replace the names where needed (and not where not needed, e.g.: “Dark
Tan” shouldn’t be replaced with “Dark Brick Yellow”

In conclusion I was not thinking enough, i'm sorry I haven't advanced
any good contributions

No, no, it’s how brainstorming works: one has an idea, others critisize it.
It’s not a criticism on the one who had the idea

The same way there’s no stupid questions, there’s no stupid ideas.

Author:

jennnifer

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Feb 17, 2021 09:03

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In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:

In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:

Ha, ha! You got me. And, I spell the Gray my own way too. Nothing but trouble
here.

Jen

Author:

brickerking

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Feb 17, 2021 08:13

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In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:

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infinibrix

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Feb 17, 2021 08:03

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In Suggestions, StormChaser writes:

In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

Either way what is it about ‘old’ in the colour names that Bricklink doesn’t
like?

Old is an undefined word, as is new. Old as relative to what? We've run
into problems in the past using old/new as descriptors and are definitely moving
away from using those two words. They are ultimately meaningless.

For example, if TLG deliberately changes the colors of grays again, we're
stuck renaming everything again. And to what? Old LBG, New LBG, and Even Newer
LBG?

You could also say ‘Very Light’ as relative to what? or ‘medium’ as relative
to what?
The term ‘Old’ would be relative to how the catalog is now/today keeping in mind
that I feel it is highly unlikely that Lego will intentionally replace what has
now become their core staple shades of colour for both those light and dark greys?

On the same token if Lego release a new shade of Grey that is lighter than Light
Bluish Grey but darker than Very Light Bluish Grey you’re still in the same predicament
of what to call it? and having to change Light Bluish Grey to Medium Bluish Grey
in order to make way for the new shade of colour?

I fear you are attempting to future proof something that can’t be future proofed?
That said there is one way to future proof it but I fear people will no doubt
dislike the idea:-

But let’s say in relation to the colour grey there are only 4 or maybe 5 shades
of grey that are ‘Current’ and in production by Lego at any one time and let’s
say they are given these simple clear definitions within the catalog:-

Pale Grey
Light Grey
Grey
Medium Grey
Dark Grey

Each current shade will keep and hold that position until the time (if it ever
comes?) it becomes discontinued or replaced whereupon the new shade will take
up its positon using the same colour name. The discontinued grey would remain
within the catalog using the same name it once had but with the added extension
of the year it was thought to be discontinued?

So along with the above greys the catalog would also contain shades of grey renamed
in the following way:-

Light Grey 1984
Light Grey 2007
Dark Grey 1996

But heres the situation....

If you hate the idea then you probably needn’t worry too much as I don’t foresee
Lego changing the shade of its core colours very often if ever at all and so
very few colours will need to be marked with a discontinued date!
And if I’m wrong your still faced with trying to fit in all these new future
shades of colour which will involve a bigger headache when you’re restricted
by the catalog and having to make up new names on the spot like ‘Light Medium
Bluish Grey’ or worse! just to accommodate all those similar shades of grey that
have long since been discontinued and have already taken all the good sensible
colour names?

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tec

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Feb 17, 2021 06:54

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I was not fully aware of the problems that might arise. So I sincerely welcome
your input.
The shorthands could be many more, not just lbg, it could be hard to decide how
far to go with them.
The substitution method? I was suggesting one can substitute entire phrases to
catch Lego-sanctioned names, traduce to BL, and go. BRICK YELLOW means Tan in
the end, but hey it uses both YELLOW and BRICK, words with a meaning, we must
ingest it, but we already know that such search will fail (try it) so uhm...
let's rewrite it to Tan and hope the search ends with what a user wants.
A bit like google autocorrect. Probably not good on BL, plus the bad example.
End.
For the names-switch I was thinking of NOT changing db and the like, just rewrite
words in the page when it is showed to us. No need to change the engine. Just
like sites in multiple languages, they seem to replace text with other text,
not changing what the site does.
In conclusion I was not thinking enough, i'm sorry I haven't advanced
any good contributions

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infinibrix

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Feb 17, 2021 06:21

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In Suggestions, GreatBuy writes:

But we're not independant of Lego anymore? Which goes back to the same argument
of being consistent with Lego names and using their references though I don't
think I have the energy to go over that same debate in this thread.

A colour name shouldn't be tied to its purpose, hence why flesh was changed.
It wasn't changed because people were confusing colors, and it was not a
painless change. It has no relevance here.

So I craft company that sells a paint called Daffodil Yellow should only be used
to paint flowers? I used to paint Lead figures as a kid and there were all kinds
of paints with names from Orc to human flesh. Do you think people only used those
colours for painting those types of flesh?
I accept differing opinions from people but if your going to base your argument
entirely on logic you have to expect people to counter the reasoning behind that
so called logic?

To offer my opinion, the change you propose is likely not to happen yet. There
just isn't a good enough reason that I can get behind and agree with, and
I imagine a lot of users feel the same way. While my store is relatively new
compared to others, I sell an equal number of LG and LBG pieces and have never
received a complaint from a confused customer. If no one in 500+ orders complained,
I feel like this is being described as more of a problem than it is. I'm
not doubting that confusion never happens, only my experience is that it doesn't.
Like I said, the resources are out there for those who need the clarification.

Author:

Stellar

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Feb 17, 2021 04:41

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In Suggestions, randyf writes:

In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

Thoughts?

Voted no.

The grays are a difficult area because of the history behind them. We can't
just rename one set of grays without renaming the others. The easiest way to
screw everyone up is to start calling the newer grays the same names that were
just used for the older grays. It would be a huge mess.

However, there is a need to be able to use the official LEGO color names on the
site.

The way to solve this problem is to add a column to the BrickLink color table
in the database that would store the official LEGO color name alongside the BrickLink
color name. The site would then use the BrickLink color names in the catalog,
but the LEGO color names could be searched for and cross-referenced to the BrickLink
color names when necessary.

This would require the site to develop the solution and implement it, but it
should be the long-term goal of the site.

Cheers,
Randy

This is the best approach in my opinion.

Author:

cosmicray

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Feb 17, 2021 03:43

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In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:

In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?

We have considered harmonization of colors in the past, and we continue to do
so. But one thing I will mention is that the word "OLD" is likely not a term
we will include in Item Names or Color Names.

On BrickLink, the color and item name are often concatenated, meaning they are
stuck together for use as a single term. The official color numbers of Modulex
were removed from the color name for this very reason, to keep people from getting
confused.

My impression, from being around at the time, is that the proper names for the
shades of gray, that were introduced around 2003 were: Light Stone Gray and Dark
Stone Gray. Certain other sites (e.g. Peeron) seemed to have a better back
channel to obtaining this information than BL did. At one time I think TLG
viewed BL as something less than desirable, and hence the lack of communications.

And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea. When we speak to internal folks, they tend to use
the numbers instead of the names, so there is value in those numbers.

It would be conformal. I made a whimsical suggestion a month or two back, that
selling an AFOL targeted set, with a 2x2 tile made from each of the several hundred
colors, and having the color number (the TLG number) printed on the tile, would
go a long way towards getting everyone on the same page. Perhaps include with
a 32x32 baseplate in black, which I don't think has ever been produced (and
would be instantly collectable).

Nita Rae

Author:

popsicle

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Feb 17, 2021 00:14

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In Suggestions, calebfishn writes:

In Suggestions, popsicle writes:

In Suggestions, calebfishn writes:

Please do not start changing the existing colour names.

I am not interested in whatever Lego officially calls colours. I just need to
know what Bricklink calls them, so that I can list parts for sale, and purchase
parts on Bricklink. I don't think I am unique in this matter.

As a person living with a form of colour blindness, let me tell you that all
the fancy names that colorists come up with do not help me at all. I just want
to know, "Is that thing basically blue? Or is it red?" Spare me the "August
Sunset", "Sea Foam" and "Dusty Rose" type of labels.

How do you feel about your next brick color, Dark Turquoise or Bright Bluish
Green?

What the heck is "azure" anyway?

Dark Azure? Well, it's kinda like Tiny-Medium Blue, which I'm sure you're
well familiar with

Its funny. But you shouldn't make fun of the handicapped.

Actually, Dark turquoise is one of the colours that is causing me a lot of grief
these days - it is essentially invisible to me.

Sorry about your condition, but we all have our problems. Instead of listing
for you my physical ailment/handicap, let's just have a laugh

When you hit 2,500 we'll celebrate your new brick color, nonetheless!

Author:

calebfishn

Posted:

Feb 16, 2021 23:47

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In Suggestions, popsicle writes:

In Suggestions, calebfishn writes:

How do you feel about your next brick color, Dark Turquoise or Bright Bluish
Green?

What the heck is "azure" anyway?

Dark Azure? Well, it's kinda like Tiny-Medium Blue, which I'm sure you're
well familiar with

Its funny. But you shouldn't make fun of the handicapped.

Actually, Dark turquoise is one of the colours that is causing me a lot of grief
these days - it is essentially invisible to me.

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popsicle

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Feb 16, 2021 23:44

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In Suggestions, TBS writes:

In Suggestions, popsicle writes:

In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:

And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea.

I think it's a good idea and logical first step towards harmonization.

To me, this seems and absolute bad idea. Because the LEGO naems are even more
confusing than the BL-Light,Bright,Standard,Dark Varitations.
I´d rather see LEGO adopting the BL-Names, than the other way around.
But doubt they ever will.

And switching to colour codes/numbers only. Oh i don´t know. htis makes it even
worse, especially by dealing for/with noobies.

I don't believe that's what is being suggested. It's the color reference
number used by fewer than use the color names, but crucial for internal use here
and over at TLG, I assume. Not removing or replacing the BL terminology for colors
(the names) rather adopting Lego’s color code (numbers) as a first step towards
harmonizing both color identification systems of BL and TLG

As I understand, it’s a move that can be done without affecting the end user
as much as changing the actual terminology, a first step.

If i remind correctly, these numbers aren´t even grouped?, correct?
Meaning, you can´t say Blues are 301 to 320 from light to dark...
They are 4 ,16, 51, 86, 325, 478 or so, because of their time/year being brought
in existence.

Could somebody check this ? Admin?

Author:

wahiggin

Posted:

Feb 16, 2021 23:34

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In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

I would also consider using the ‘Old/Classic’ tag for some other discontinued
colours too like Brown i.e ‘Old Brown’ I have less problem with Reddish brown
remaining as that is at least what Lego themselves call it but ‘bluish’ is a
made up bricklink term that has little relevance to the actual colour nor does
Lego use the term? Lego may have added more blue to the actual colour mix than
the old greys but in appearance they are simply intended to be a Light and Dark
Grey in a new and current form hence I feel we should refer to them as such?

I like the idea of adding "Classic" or "Old" in front of retired colors, but
I'm not in favor of changing the name of the existing Light Bluish Grey or
Dark Bluish Grey.

Wesley

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GreatBuy

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Feb 16, 2021 21:58

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In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

In Suggestions, GreatBuy writes:

I disagree with that, people will always want a specific matching colour for
a lego build etc... and the Lego Group certainly expect customers to use those
colour name references to aid finding what they need? Have you shopped for paint
before:-
https://www.dulux.co.uk/en/colour-details#tabId=item0

I think you're overthinking this, especially the change of flesh to nougat.
When Flesh was first introduced, it was used exclusively for minifigs. Overtime
parts have been unlocked in light nougat, so the name was changed because it
made sense to change it.

So just because the colour flesh ends up being used on other items that are non
minifig related it means the colour flesh can no longer be used to describe this
colour any longer? I have no issue with Flesh now being called Nougat but I don't
agree that this makes it a particularly more rationale and valid reason for change
at least not for the reasons you've mentioned?

LEGO colours are not nearly as varied as paint colours. The point I was trying
to make was that BL named its colours to cater to the secondary market, not to
be tied down to exactly waht LEGO designates them to be. Would it be easier for
them to be the same? Yes, but I don't think everything here has to line up
with what LEGO does because LEGO may not be doing something in the best way for
all situations. Our ability to designate things independent of LEGO is important
to withhold. I get that you're not asking for a complete overhaul, but it
really isn't that difficult to access resources to avoid this. A quick google
will bring up a colour guide that anyone can find. In my opinion, LEGO's
colour palette is way more confusing than ours. I've seen videos with LEGO's
own employees referring to colours by the community given names, including DBG
and LBG.

A colour name shouldn't be tied to its purpose, hence why flesh was changed.
It wasn't changed because people were confusing colors, and it was not a
painless change. It has no relevance here.

To offer my opinion, the change you propose is likely not to happen yet. There
just isn't a good enough reason that I can get behind and agree with, and
I imagine a lot of users feel the same way. While my store is relatively new
compared to others, I sell an equal number of LG and LBG pieces and have never
received a complaint from a confused customer. If no one in 500+ orders complained,
I feel like this is being described as more of a problem than it is. I'm
not doubting that confusion never happens, only my experience is that it doesn't.
Like I said, the resources are out there for those who need the clarification.

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infinibrix

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Feb 16, 2021 20:58

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In Suggestions, GreatBuy writes:

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jennnifer

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Feb 16, 2021 20:54

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In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:

In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

Was'nt it yourself that initially requested the change from Flesh to Nougat
though yet your saying to leave the colours alone?

Yes, my request was one that finally helped instigate the change, but I was very
far from the first to suggest it. I was also one of those who donated time so
the change seemed effortless. Many people cared about it going well and spent
even more time than me.

There is a big difference between the need for that color name change and what
is being suggested here.

I had no problem with the BrickLink color names when I was a newbie because I
started here first. LEGO names all sound weird and long-winded to me. I know
I can google a chart to cross-reference the colors because I learned it as a
newbie when I wanted to start contributing to the catalog.

I am not trying to stir up bad feelings or cause trouble, but the reality
is that if we change our names to suit some users, we are causing problems for
others. It's like BrickLink's XP wanted to dumb down our catalog structure
so that newbies have less trouble. What they ended up with was a mess! There's
a balance and I think much of what we have built here is good for most of us
and occasionally confusing for new people.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and sorry if my previous message came across
as abrupt. Long day...

Jen

My 2 cents: leave the colors alone. Our color names are not without flaws but
are better than LEGO's and if I need to cross-reference them, I can google
a color chart in no time at all. Why is this so complicated??

Jen

It won't be complicated for those like yourself that are familiar with BL
and all the reference sites but I want every newbie customers to have zero doubt
about what they are purchasing from my store unless that is too much to ask?

Author:

randyf

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Feb 16, 2021 20:40

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In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

In Suggestions, randyf writes:

In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

Thoughts?

Not if as others have mentioned the old greys are renamed first and the newer
greys are changed however much later even if thats a whole year or so later!

I am sorry, but the terms "old" and "new" are meaningless. They are relative
terms that mean different things to different people at different times. The
catalog is trying to move completely away from relative terms because of that.
I do not see adding more of those terms as a solution to anything. For instance,
if LEGO were to introduce new grays in five years, we have to go through the
whole dance again because LBG would now be *yet another* "old" gray.

However, there is a need to be able to use the official LEGO color names on the
site.

If that is the intended plan of action then that would be the ideal outcome that
would supercede all the concerns I have about Bricklink colour names. If it ever
happens?

It could definitely happen. I have personally worked behind the scenes to solve
a number of color issues over the last 1.5 years by having some new colors added
to untwine colors that are combined in relation to official LEGO colors, having
some colors renamed to make them simpler, adjusting tons of inventories, communicating
with some of the color experts out there, etc. This is a focus area of mine,
and I am trying to move the site in a better direction when it comes to all of
this. I am very confident that we will be able to make some headway on this in
the near future. In other words, you are being heard.

One of my next goals is the Pearl Light Gray versus Flat Silver issue. If you
want to talk about a problem area, then this would be it. Light Gray versus Light
Bluish Gray has nothing on this one.

Cheers,
Randy

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infinibrix

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Feb 16, 2021 20:35

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In Suggestions, jennnifer writes:

In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

Was'nt it yourself that initially requested the change from Flesh to Nougat
though yet your saying to leave the colours alone?

Author:

jennnifer

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Feb 16, 2021 20:20

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In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

Yeah, all the time spent planning the change, then a few moments as you say,
and then hours of volunteer work making about 2000 necessary corrections in the
catalog. This stuff doesn't happen like Thanos snapping his fingers.

My 2 cents: leave the colors alone. Our color names are not without flaws but
are better than LEGO's and if I need to cross-reference them, I can google
a color chart in no time at all. Why is this so complicated??

Jen

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infinibrix

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Feb 16, 2021 20:18

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In Suggestions, randyf writes:

In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

Thoughts?

Not if as others have mentioned the old greys are renamed first and the newer
greys are changed however much later even if thats a whole year or so later!

However, there is a need to be able to use the official LEGO color names on the
site.

If that is the intended plan of action then that would be the ideal outcome that
would supercede all the concerns I have about Bricklink colour names. If it ever
happens?

The way to solve this problem is to add a column to the BrickLink color table
in the database that would store the official LEGO color name alongside the BrickLink
color name. The site would then use the BrickLink color names in the catalog,
but the LEGO color names could be searched for and cross-referenced to the BrickLink
color names when necessary.

This would require the site to develop the solution and implement it, but it
should be the long-term goal of the site.

Cheers,
Randy

Author:

GreatBuy

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Feb 16, 2021 20:07

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In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

In Suggestions, gogogovro writes:

To the OP, I also don't think light bluish gray is the biggest stumbling
block for new users. Yes, it may be a small learning curve, but certainly not
the first area I would work on to make the site more user friendly. And... it
doesn't bother me as a seller anymore.

You say it like there is a lot of work involved but I don't beleive this
to be the case as I've witenssed Flesh being switched to Nougat in the space
of a few moments of it being announced in the forum

I also appreciate it may not bother you one way or the other which is also fair
enough, yet the thing that really confuses me is that many people(not including
yourself) always get up in arms about not wanting to use official colours names
because they make no sense and don't match the colour descriptions correctly
and yet bluish grey is apparently a good descriptive match for two of the most
commonly used colours?

If you asked a newbie to separate all the Light Bluish Grey parts out of a haul
of mixed Lego I expect you'd come back to find a nice pile of Sand Blue bricks
waiting for you

Someone made a really good point above, LEGO colours are not necessarily named
entirely for ease of identification, they're named for manufacturing without
consideration for the identification by the consumer. The reason I think BL continues
to make use of its own colour names is the purpose behind it, for secondary resale.

I think you're overthinking this, especially the change of flesh to nougat.
When Flesh was first introduced, it was used exclusively for minifigs. Overtime
parts have been unlocked in light nougat, so the name was changed because it
made sense to change it. And there is no way to eliminate the learning
curve for people learning colours. To be honest, I don't think LBG and LG
are that hard to learn as they are. Yes, people would not necessarily refer to
LBG as LBG, but the point is not that hard to get across, especially when the
BL inventory for every set for almost the last 20 years refers to LBG. The resources
are already out there.

I'm not entirely against changing the names of certain colours, but I think
it needs to make sense in order to warrant change. The way you and several others
reason it, just doesn't make me feel like this change is warranted.

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infinibrix

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Feb 16, 2021 20:02

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In Suggestions, StormChaser writes:

In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

Either way what is it about ‘old’ in the colour names that Bricklink doesn’t
like?

Okay and that is fine and I accept and appreciate your reasoning with regards
to why you don't like the 'old' or 'classic' tag but I will
repeat this part of that same post:-

"That aside the main focus of my attention was about giving the Bluish greys
a
more appropriate name as nobody would initially expect these to be catalogued
under bluish grey? And since they are now Legos main staple grey colours and
will probably remain so for long into the foreseeable future it stands to reason
that we should attempt to given them a more appropriate and simple description
of Light/Dark grey Obviously doing this would cause issues with the older existing
greys in the catalog hence the reason I felt the need to try and address this
issue with the 'old' tag but to be honest I wouldn’t really care what
we called them be that Yellowed Grey, Dull grey, Storm cloud Grey, because they
are not so widely/commonly used anymore in comparison to the newer established
greys"

For example, if TLG deliberately changes the colors of grays again, we're
stuck renaming everything again. And to what? Old LBG, New LBG, and Even Newer
LBG?

Can you really honestly see that happening though I think its fair to say that
Lego have settled on those two light and dark grey colours now and are not likely
to set out to intentionally replace them besides any differences are likely to
be purely unintentional be that change of material like we have recently seen
with some of the trans colours or accidental like what we see with yellow
and pearl gold neither of which are cataloged separately by BL. Yes they may
well release future greys but if anything they are highly likely to be significantly
different shade to the current Light and Dark Bluish greys we have today and
if anything it will more than likely be a shade of grey that would sit smack
beween the two current bluish greys as a kind of medium grey and yes that may
be speculation on my part but you are also speculating something that may not
happen and we can only make the catalog as good as we can make it today and worry
about how to deal with future colours if and when it happens?

Either way I hope you don't mind me saying but for someone who is dead set
against the idea of using the official Lego colour names because they are too
far away from what most of us would use to describe those colours is'nt Dark
bluish grey just as bad as Bright Yellowish Green? (AKA Lime) at least the latter
is using an official Lego reference?

If we can't reference this colour in the best/most descriptive way to match
what the actual colour is i.e Dark Grey we'd be better of just calling it
what Lego call it (Dark Sone Grey)?

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randyf

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Feb 16, 2021 19:57

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In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

Thoughts?

Author:

SylvainLS

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Feb 16, 2021 19:27

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In Suggestions, tec writes:

Mostly but not exactly.
And names only, not codes/ID/numbers.

they copied
from BL names (https://rebrickable.com/colors/). I dont wanna lose that, I believe
it makes everyone happy to use 2 sites without silly translations. In the web,
the current bricklink=rebrickable is a powerhouse.

LDraw is using BL names too (but with underscores instead of spaces and with
Australian spelling).
(And LEGO codes when possible / for new colours.)

Some ideas to soften up the color mayhem:
- implement expansions. let us input "lbg brick 2×4" in the search field, the
server rightfully rewrites lbg=light bluish gray and goes.

Not a bad idea… but I only see LBG and DBG as common shortcuts. Are there other
colour shortcuts? Unless you include shortcuts like “TrBrGreen”?

- implement substitutions. Let the user input "brick yellow", the server rewrites
"brick yellow"=tan

Nope. Or wrong example: How do you differentiate “I wrote Brick Yellow but I
mean Tan” from “I want a Yellow Brick”?
People who want a yellow brick will be at least nonplused to be presented with
Tan bricks.

(Word order isn’t used in searches, unless you use quotes, and someone, especially
non-native speakers, could search for Yellow Bricks by typing first Brick and
then Yellow.)

Changing words/tokens that have no other meanings into words that have one is
okay (“LBG” → full name). Changing words that already have a meaning or adding
meanings to words is not (“Yellow” is “Yellow,” not “Tan,” not “Yellow or Tan”).

- let the user switch between appearances. If the user can choose (in the settings)
if they want to see BL names, Lego id, Lego official names, etc.

The catalogue can’t use both nomenclatures at the same time, or it would need
to maintain two descriptions for each object (colours are used to describe patterns
and multicoloured parts and assemblies).

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StormChaser

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Feb 16, 2021 19:08

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In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

Either way what is it about ‘old’ in the colour names that Bricklink doesn’t
like?

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tec

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Feb 16, 2021 18:14

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I don't support any change. Because BL names are known more than others.
Lbg and Dbg are everywhere, posted on forums, flickr, instagram, Billund bathrooms,
...

Any change will break more than heal. We are 1:1 with rebrickable.com, they copied
from BL names (https://rebrickable.com/colors/). I dont wanna lose that, I believe
it makes everyone happy to use 2 sites without silly translations. In the web,
the current bricklink=rebrickable is a powerhouse.

Some ideas to soften up the color mayhem:
- implement expansions. let us input "lbg brick 2×4" in the search field, the
server rightfully rewrites lbg=light bluish gray and goes.
- implement substitutions. Let the user input "brick yellow", the server rewrites
"brick yellow"=tan
- let the user switch between appearances. If the user can choose (in the settings)
if they want to see BL names, Lego id, Lego official names, etc

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infinibrix

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Feb 16, 2021 18:02

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In Suggestions, psusaxman2000 writes:

To your point, I do still consider myself a newbie. While I joined almost a
year ago, I'm still finding my way around here and getting familiar. That
being said, no matter if you set them to new, old, light, bright or bluish, there
is a learning curve for everyone. If you are getting into the hobby or shopping
for parts or just trying to off load your life's collection, any hobby will
have it's gotcha points. While these two colors may be the ones in question
now, the point of what to call them still would require significant work on both
maintenance and seller to adjust. Is there really that much of a need or more
of a convenience?

To your point, why make that learning curve harder than it needs to be? A few
weeks of inconvenience are well worth the many years of convenience to be gained
besides whilst you yourself may very well take that extra time and care into
researching any colours you intend to buy or sell the same will not be for everyone
and when oversights and mistakes occur they are an inconvenince to all parties
involved wherever your the seller who just wants to sell the correct items without
having to be involved with returns/refunds or the buyer who just wants to receive
what they expected to receive?

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infinibrix

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Feb 16, 2021 17:48

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