BrickLink Discussion Forum

In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

In an ideal world if the feedback system was worded a little differently we'd
see a more meaningful feedback system perhaps where sellers could actually get
better recognition when they go above and beyond the norm! i.e If it was worded
something like this:-

Please rate this transaction:-

Bad - (Problems with the transaction)
Good - (Smooth transaction)
Outstanding - (Seller went beyond expectations!)

Imagine you have two sellers with 500 feedback where one has 492 Good and 8 Outstanding
the other has 425 Good and 75 Outstanding this would give a whole new meaning
to the feedback system and how we see sellers overall rather than the somewhat
redundant Neutral which seems to be seen as a minor negative!

What a novel idea. I like it. A seller can better work at negating the effects
of mistakes or unjust feedback

Thanks

Author:

BrickCompulsion

Posted:

Jan 24, 2020 06:11

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Re: 2FA or some other additional login security

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In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:

Admin,

Please implement 2FA or some other additional login security to BrickLink account.

2FA = 2-Factor-Authentication

It could help prevent hacking or stealing of accounts and account & inventory
information.

Of course this could be set as optional on the account.

Thank you.

I would fully support and do fully encourage this to happen

Author:

infinibrix

Posted:

Jan 24, 2020 05:36

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Re: Persistent issues…

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In Suggestions, leopard37 writes:

In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

How many new users rate the postal system not the order. This is also a flaw.
Especially if the seller doesn't accurately say when the package was shipped.

Tyson.

But if you let the buyer know when the goods were or will be shipped most buyers
will be understanding and take that into consideration. Sometimes you may be
penalised because of the fault of the courier but as sellers we are all in the
same boat and if you nearly always ship same day or next business day this in
the long term will be reflected overall in your feedback rating whereas if a
seller usually ships within 3-4 days it stands to reason that their rating might
not be so good for instance an 'Outstanding' rating might be given where
a buyer pays for their order right at the end of the day 4-5pm and is surprised
and overwhelmed to get their goods next day therefore they might decide leave
an oustanding instead of Good.

Author:

crxefx

Posted:

Jan 24, 2020 01:44

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Re: 2FA or some other additional login security

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Lol! what if you only have one device thought

Author:

leggodtshop

Posted:

Jan 24, 2020 01:28

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Re: 2FA or some other additional login security

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In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:

To clarify: with the current 1FA if Bricklink accounts were stolen all accounts
can be logged on to, with 2FA that can't.

Author:

leggodtshop

Posted:

Jan 24, 2020 01:23

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Re: 2FA or some other additional login security

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In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:

In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:

In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:

[…]
Obviously the idea behind 2FA is that you're NOT using the same device.

Yeah, that’s the idea but unfortunately, that’s not the common practice.

Apparently it is not YOUR practice. Don't generalize what you don't know.

I
personally never use the same device. Also, besides SMS there are authentication
apps which are secured by a pincode. In general, 2FA is regarded as the standard
safe login method today whereas 1FA is considered not safe enough anymore. Hence
the suggestion.

I understand the suggestion. I’m just pointing one pitfall.

“Regarded” is the problem here: people feel confident when in reality the implementation
is generally flawed.
How many websites check you’re not using the same device?
None, because it can’t be done.

2FA is not meant to be 100% safe, just SAFER than 1FA. You do not have to use
it if you don't want to. But, if the passwords were stolen, they can login
with 1FA but not with 2FA.

Even if you have just one device only, as you have Sylvain

Author:

leggodtshop

Posted:

Jan 24, 2020 01:19

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Re: 2FA or some other additional login security

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In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:

In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:

[…]
Obviously the idea behind 2FA is that you're NOT using the same device.

Yeah, that’s the idea but unfortunately, that’s not the common practice.

Apparently it is not YOUR practice. Don't generalize what you don't know.

2FA is not meant to be 100% safe, just SAFER than 1FA. You do not have to use
it if you don't want to. But, if the passwords were stolen, they can login
with 1FA but not with 2FA.

Author:

crxefx

Posted:

Jan 24, 2020 01:10

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Re: Persistent issues…

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Same feeling exactly. As much as I love the 100% feedback score our store has,
I will admit that we have made mistakes that should have received neutral feedback
at some point. On the other hand, If you have 1000 positives and 10 neutrals.
Should you still have 100% feedback score? I'm not sure myself how to approach
the feedback system. To compound on that thought, When ordering I never bother
to check a sellers feedback rating so... Does it matter? Does everyone take the
time to check? I don't know.

-Andy

Author:

leopard37

Posted:

Jan 23, 2020 23:04

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Re: Persistent issues…

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In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

How many new users rate the postal system not the order. This is also a flaw.
Especially if the seller doesn't accurately say when the package was shipped.

Tyson.

Author:

infinibrix

Posted:

Jan 23, 2020 22:47

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Re: Persistent issues…

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Author:

popsicle

Posted:

Jan 23, 2020 21:32

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Re: Persistent issues…

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In Suggestions, Captain_Q writes:

In Suggestions, popsicle writes:

agulus’s input in this thread has reignited a persistent and nagging thought
of mine: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1176265

It’s a valid point made by member agulus, that has unfortunately been ongoing
as an issue, in the face of contrary input towards the feedback policy.

I’ve brought it up in the past, that a neutral should be just that, neutral,
and not effect your feedback percentage number displayed, up or down.

Beyond the obvious reasons, is the fact that there are many newish buyers that
mistakenly see BL’s neutral, as neutral. Silly people

Meanwhile, it continues
to result in an amount of havoc in that arena of BrickLink.

I look forward to reading your honest thoughts

-Cory

I think Bl's feedback system is somewhat dated. Neutral's should be
more benign rather then similar to negatives.

CURRENT BL FEEDBACK SYSTEM
Positive: accurate
Neutral: overly harsh / may encourage retaliation
Negative: accurate yet may encourage retaliation

I think emulating the eBay model would be a good adaptation. The feedback percentage
is more reflective of a seller's current feedback reputation of the last
12 months vs lifetime like on Bricklink. Meaning a single negative from 6 years
ago doesn't hold the overall feedback percentage down beyond a year, that
is if the seller has cleaned up their act and do no accrue any more negatives/neutrals.

I see frequent enough comment threads here on Bricklink that have complaints
about a seller or buyer receiving retaliation feedback or expressing fear that
they may receive one if they leave accurate feedback. Negatives are warning signs
for sellers to work harder and make improvements. But if the punishment is too
harsh then message may not be received properly.
This mindset has potential to create a retaliatory like atmosphere.

- Captain Q

Interesting thoughts and great input, as usual. Thanks!

Author:

Captain_Q

Posted:

Jan 23, 2020 21:20

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Re: Persistent issues…

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In Suggestions, popsicle writes:

Meanwhile, it continues
to result in an amount of havoc in that arena of BrickLink.

I look forward to reading your honest thoughts

-Cory

Author:

popsicle

Posted:

Jan 23, 2020 21:06

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Re: Persistent issues…

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In Suggestions, agulus writes:

Wow, congratulation. That says to me that
your customer service is exquisite

Thank you, but I'm not speaking of that.

It's unjust, I feel. Given that BL has decided to display, so glaringly,
that number for potential buyers, a neutral should be neutral.

-Cory

Author:

agulus

Posted:

Jan 23, 2020 20:53

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Re: Persistent issues…

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Wow, congratulation. That says to me that
your customer service is exquisite

Author:

popsicle

Posted:

Jan 23, 2020 20:48

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Re: Persistent issues…

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In Suggestions, agulus writes:

In Suggestions, popsicle writes:

Meanwhile, it continues
to result in an amount of havoc in that arena of BrickLink.

I look forward to reading your honest thoughts

-Cory

I have to admit that I made a mistake by writing that
neutral gives -1. I't doesn't! I went too far because every time I see
a post about neutral feedback my feelings
toward this issue are building up while I'm waiting for my first one

Yes, you did.

However, I'm referring to what you did get right, the glaring display of
feedback percentage, that potential buyers see when landing on a new store page.

For some reason, that number is moved down with a neutral.

Author:

agulus

Posted:

Jan 23, 2020 20:39

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Re: Persistent issues…

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In Suggestions, popsicle writes:

Meanwhile, it continues
to result in an amount of havoc in that arena of BrickLink.

I look forward to reading your honest thoughts

-Cory

Author:

qwertyboy

Posted:

Jan 23, 2020 20:08

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Re: 2FA or some other additional login security

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In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:

In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:

[…]
Obviously the idea behind 2FA is that you're NOT using the same device.

Yeah, that’s the idea but unfortunately, that’s not the common practice.

2FA is also referred to "something you know, and something you have". 2FA is
not meant to make sure it is you that is using your phone. Rather, it is meant
to do a second check after "someone" logged in (and used the "something you know")
by making sure that person also clears the "something you have" hurdle.

Saying 2FA implementations are generally flawed because they don't check
you are using the same device makes no sense. It is not meant to do that check.
It is meant to prevent "SylvainLS" in France to log into account "qwertyboy".
Good luck doing that if 2FA sends my Canadian phone a txt.

Niek.

Author:

SylvainLS

Posted:

Jan 23, 2020 17:27

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Re: 2FA or some other additional login security

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In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:

[…]
Obviously the idea behind 2FA is that you're NOT using the same device.

Yeah, that’s the idea but unfortunately, that’s not the common practice.

Author:

leggodtshop

Posted:

Jan 23, 2020 16:58

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Re: 2FA or some other additional login security

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In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:

In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:

The main problem I have with 2FA is that, most of the time, the implementation
consists in sending an SMS on the same phone the user is already using to browse
the website, and that makes it 1FA (we’re checking the person holding the phone
can use the phone’s browser and read SMS on the same phone, whoopee).
This gives a false sense of security.

Obviously the idea behind 2FA is that you're NOT using the same device. I
personally never use the same device. Also, besides SMS there are authentication
apps which are secured by a pincode. In general, 2FA is regarded as the standard
safe login method today whereas 1FA is considered not safe enough anymore. Hence
the suggestion.

Author:

SylvainLS

Posted:

Jan 23, 2020 16:14

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Re: 2FA or some other additional login security

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In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:

Author:

leggodtshop

Posted:

Jan 23, 2020 14:36

Subject:

2FA or some other additional login security

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Status:

Open

Vote:

[Yes|No]

Author:

calsbricks

Posted:

Jan 23, 2020 12:25

Subject:

Re: multiple shipping addresses ?

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In Suggestions, bje writes:

In Suggestions, Rarah writes:

Is it possible to create 2 addresses that I can always choose from when completing
an order? I have one address in Slovakia for most orders and one in Czech Republic
for CZ orders. Now the only way around is to simply edit my address and after
order placed change it back. because some stores have automated payment for shipping
and if I don´t change the country i don´t get the right options. I know people
in US will probably not understand why I need something but specifically for
people in SK/CZ many people have address in both countries to optimize shipping
cost etc. It´s from the past but that country difference makes me save 7 EUR
on shipping when I instead of 9€ pay just 2€.

Not possible, despite it making complete sense. In fact on every webstore I've
used I get a billing and delivery address, even the certified store has that
here so it is nothing strange.

You will have to continue changing the address here every time
https://www.bricklink.com/pref_address.asp

I do not think sellers can see your history any longer so it is just inconvenient.

We agree - it is strange and very old fashioned. It is a strong reason why we
do not use stores where online payment (paypal is used) the addres validation
does not work properly.

We need at least 2 addresses . We can have as many addresses as we need on Paypal
why not here?

I've had 21 of them since September last year

Author:

calsbricks

Posted:

Jan 23, 2020 12:23

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Re: multiple shipping addresses ?

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In Suggestions, Rarah writes:

We share your issue with 2 locations for our store but nothing like this is going
to be done until the new owners are in and settled and reach out to the membership
for priorities etc.

Author:

bje

Posted:

Jan 23, 2020 12:09

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Re: multiple shipping addresses ?

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In Suggestions, Rarah writes:

Author:

Rarah

Posted:

Jan 23, 2020 11:57

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Status:

Open

Vote:

[Yes|No]

Author:

SylvainLS

Posted:

Jan 23, 2020 11:04

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Re: Search for multiple pieces shops

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In Suggestions, seclimar writes:

yes, this can help and solve partially...
would be nice to have all the shops that are fully (or partially) covering the
wanted list

That’s what Wanted Lists are for.

When you have made a Wanted List, go to the Buy page ( https://www.bricklink.com/v2/wanted/buy.page
).
Select your WL and it will show you all the stores that have some (or all) your
wanted items.

There are many options on the page.

Author:

seclimar

Posted:

Jan 23, 2020 09:50

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Re: Search for multiple pieces shops

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yes, this can help and solve partially...
would be nice to have all the shops that are fully (or partially) covering the
wanted list
thanks for the answer!

In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:

In Suggestions, seclimar writes:

I would like to have a search that allow to search multiple part numbers (maybe
comma separated)

so that I don't have manually to check if each seller is also selling other
needed parts
is already existent a similar funcionality ?

if today I need to buy 2 different pieces, I search for one part. in the list
of shops that appears, I will manually see all the ones selling also the second
part.
Imagine if I am looking for 3 or more different pieces!

thanks for any enhancement or tip

Marco

If you create a wanted list then visit a shop you can then view the wanted items
that the shop has available

Author:

infinibrix

Posted:

Jan 23, 2020 09:41

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Re: Search for multiple pieces shops

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In Suggestions, seclimar writes:

If you create a wanted list then visit a shop you can then view the wanted items
that the shop has available

Author:

seclimar

Posted:

Jan 23, 2020 09:28

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Search for multiple pieces shops

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Open

Vote:

[Yes|No]

Author:

StormChaser

Posted:

Jan 23, 2020 00:12

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Re: Attack of the Blusers

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In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:

Many historic accounts, such as major contributors or Dan's own personal
account were intentionally untouched by the process.

Thank you for sharing.

I was wondering why Swanberg's account retained the name. Since major contributors
will not be turned into blusers at some point, then I feel much better about
the whole thing.

I don't want to be a bluser.

Author:

Admin_Russell

Posted:

Jan 22, 2020 21:41

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Re: Attack of the Blusers

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In Suggestions, BLUSER13161 writes:

In Suggestions, dcarmine writes:

I noticed this user name a few weeks ago. I wondered what is going on because
the users have some feedback but is no longer registered.

Can you share what you learned?

Recently there was a secret clearing-out of old BrickLink accounts, presumably
related to the site sale to TLG. No information was released, but members noticed
that the number of registered users suddenly dropped dramatically.

The criteria for removing accounts was not shared, but I assume it was based
on the last time a member logged into the site. So perhaps if a member had not
logged in for five years, for example, their account was deleted (or, if not
deleted, somehow removed from the list of registered users).

Around the same time I noticed these Bluser accounts as contributors. I didn't
connect the two events until today when I looked at the contributions page for
inventories and figured out what was going on. The site needed to maintain credit
for catalog work completed, but with accounts deleted/disabled there was no username
to credit.

Note that this page, last updated in 2010, claims that accounts cannot be deleted
if certain conditions have been met. Some of those conditions are contributing
to the catalog:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=129

So certain accounts were renamed, although it doesn't look like they were
deleted. Not sure why they needed to be renamed, since this was all done (as
usual) in secret.

Here's what the Bluser accounts mean:

BLUSER_40105 = BrickLink USER ID 40105

All of the above is pure speculation, but it is based on reasonably solid logic.
Hope it helps.

Many accounts were recently deactivated if they had not logged in for a considerable
length of time (several years). In order to preserve the integrity of the catalog
and database in general, the accounts were not deleted, but were fully anonymized
instead.

If people choose to reactivate their account, their old username will reappear
on their account just as they were originally. All they need to do is follow
the instructions on the email they were sent. We may change the BLUSER_######
format in the near future to be less conspicuous on catalog credit pages. Probably
something lowercase, not so predictable, and shorter.

Many historic accounts, such as major contributors or Dan's own personal
account were intentionally untouched by the process.

Author:

markmamer

Posted:

Jan 22, 2020 18:47

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Re: My own private warehouse to keep my inventory

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In Suggestions, Jpbsl writes:

In Suggestions, markmamer writes:

Is there a way to put my own inventory up on the site under my own private warehouse?
I do not want to be a seller yet but I would like to keep my inventory on the
site.

did you figure this out? I'm in the same process.

i think the best suggestion was to create closed store to put my inventory in.
I going to try that.

Author:

cycbuild

Posted:

Jan 22, 2020 15:40

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Re: Attack of the Blusers

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In Suggestions, mhortar writes:

In Suggestions, BLUSER13161 writes:

In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:

Yes, it’s just part of the anonymisation of unregistered users. (GDPR)

I should have read this first. This is the likely explanation of what has occurred.
Now I'm wondering if there is a way I can prevent my account from being
made anonymous in the event that I am unable to temporarily or permanently log
into my account.

And I think it is unfortunate that a good thing (the fight for privacy) has resulted
in a bad thing (erasing people if they're absent long enough).

Have I mentioned that it would be nice if BrickLink communicated with us?

I think you are reading too much into it. Your username is a way to personally
identify you. Users in certain regions have the legal right to request that you
delete all personal information about them. Anonymizing the user id of people
that have requested to be unregistered from the site is a way to keep the contributions
made while removing the personally identifying information. I doubt there is
a mechanism to anonymize anyone that hasn't explicitly requested to be unregistered.

Josh

"As online privacy concerns continue to be taken more seriously, we are starting
to develop policies and procedures for handling private information in a responsible
and transparent manner. This has nothing to do with the sale of the site, as
these policies have been under development (slowly) since the early part of 2019."

"-the username on the terminated account may be replaced."

https://www.bricklink.com/messagePost.asp?ID=1168556

I do wonder about the official Q&A that never happened, but cleaning house takes
precedence.

Your (previous) username is in the Hall of Fame.

Author:

Adjour

Posted:

Jan 22, 2020 15:38

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Re: Attack of the Blusers

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In Suggestions, BLUSER13161 writes:

I know no one takes actions on site suggestions. But my hope is that someday
they will.

Therefore, I suggest updating the Help Center:

https://www.bricklink.com/helpMain.asp?utm_content=subnav

to explain what Blusers are. See the usernames on this list, especially those
who have only inventoried one set:

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogMembers.asp?viewAll=S

I figured it out finally, but it would be helpful to have a brief explanation
of Blusers in the Help Center somewhere.

Ha! I noticed a huge uptick of these names in peoples feedback. Neat-o

Author:

Egcwatch

Posted:

Jan 22, 2020 15:09

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Re: Change NPB Timeline

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I am in total agreement that 2 weeks is too long. I don't know any place
else that waits 2 weeks for payment before cancelling. My inventory is tied
up constantly. Most of the time it's a 0 feedback buyer or an international
buyer that doesn't like the shipping charges (even though they are clearly
posted). They don't respond. It's so frustrating. If for some reason
you don't want the order please contact the seller. We should be able to
file a NPB after 3 days and cancel 4 days later. 1 week total. I think that
is way more than enough time to pay for your order. Why are we giving people
7 days to pay before we can even file the NPB? It's ridiculous.

In Suggestions, JerseyGirl689 writes:

In Suggestions, mscheaf writes:

In Suggestions, JerseyGirl689 writes:

In Suggestions, MidwestBrick writes:

I had enough of these in the last few weeks that waiting 2 full weeks is painful
to complete them.

I don't mind the 1 week to pay before it is started. But another full 7 days
to complete the NPB is not necessary.

I would propose 3 additional days and that is it. Let us get our stock back
in our stores to sell to someone else instead of being held at our will for 14
full days when 10 is plenty enough.

I can't be the only one that feels this way and 14 days might have worked
10-15 years ago when access to Smart-Phones wasn't as widespread, but these
days, you can't go far without having the ability to respond. Thanks

I completely agree, 7 days to open, 3 days to close, with or without a response.
If they have time to respond they can use that time to pay. If they can't
afford to pay, they shouldn't have made the purchase to start with.

Also, to those sellers who simply cancel and move on, you're leaving yourself
open to a retaliatory negative FB and enabling a NPB to continue doing the same
thing to other sellers. I have inventory held hostage right now for a NPB, despite
the fact his FB clearly shows this is a habit. If those sellers had used the
NPB process, as they should have, he would have been suspended and my inventory
would be free right now.

Darcy

Yes they can leave a neg, but 90% of the time it a a zero feedback buyer doing
this. When they get the negative back from the seller they will find themselves
at -1 and find it much more difficult to buy from anyone.

Yes 90% of the time it is zero or low FB buyers, but that really doesn't
matter, it's still an undeserved blemish on your record. This is strangers
dealing with strangers, IMHO your reputation is just as important as your customer
service and parts quality.

And I do agree that I am making the problem worse by not following the process,
but the process just plain sucks and I'm not wasting my time dealing with
it.

You're right, the NPB process sucks, but it's all we have right now,
so we have to deal with it. Otherwise NPB's are going to continue wasting
our time and tying up our inventory for nothing.

I wish I could figure out the instant payment for the single boxed sets I sell.
I know exactly how much they will weigh and how big the shipping box is for each
sealed set I have. But I am just too stupid to figure it out. I really wish it
would just calculate it for me like ebay does. I'm considering actually just
offering free shipping and having instant payment but I would be buried so far
in the listings I would never be seen.

As for IC, haven't even tried so IDK. I pull and recheck every part, weigh
and manually send invoices. I want to know everything is perfect and correct
before invoicing and shipping. Actually if they implement their proposed changes
it seems we'll be forced to use IC, which is why I've started exploring
other options. It sucks, I've been here a long time and really like it,
but if or when they do force it on us I'll be closing my store and moving
on. This nonsense of if they payed too much you have to refund, if they paid
too little you have to eat it, doesn't work for me.

Darcy

Author:

mhortar

Posted:

Jan 22, 2020 15:07

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Re: Attack of the Blusers

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In Suggestions, BLUSER13161 writes:

In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:

Yes, it’s just part of the anonymisation of unregistered users. (GDPR)

Author:

StormChaser

Posted:

Jan 22, 2020 14:22

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Re: Attack of the Blusers

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In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:

Yes, it’s just part of the anonymisation of unregistered users. (GDPR)

Author:

StormChaser

Posted:

Jan 22, 2020 14:08

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Re: Attack of the Blusers

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In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:

Can you remove the underscore instead?

Yes.

Now I am who BrickLink sees me as.

Author:

StormChaser

Posted:

Jan 22, 2020 14:02

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Re: Attack of the Blusers

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In Suggestions, StormChaser writes:

I'd rather be remembered as StormChaser, not BLUSER_13161.

Well, I thought I'd get a head start on them and exercise some choice in
the matter. Unfortunately, they were smarter than I thought and have prohibited
me from changing my username.

It will be changed someday, but only when I have no say-so in the matter. Ah,
they think of everything. Except some of the things that matter.

Author:

StormChaser

Posted:

Jan 22, 2020 13:53

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Re: Attack of the Blusers

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In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:

bluser numbers assigned already
but just happen to be known by our chosen usernames instead.

Yes, your bluser number can be seen by going to your Account Info page. The
second bit of information there is titled User ID. That's your bluser number.

Someday in the distant future, when we're all dead, they'll eject us
from the system and make us blusers, too. Not too fond of the idea, as I'd
rather be remembered as StormChaser, not BLUSER_13161.

Doesn't matter what I want, though.

Author:

randyf

Posted:

Jan 22, 2020 13:51

Subject:

Re: Attack of the Blusers

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Topic:

In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:

It looks like the numbers are all in order of the date of registration too. So
it wouldn't surprise me if we all have our bluser numbers assigned already
but just happen to be known by our chosen usernames instead.

Yes, that is how databases work.

Author:

StormChaser

Posted:

Jan 22, 2020 13:50

Subject:

Re: Attack of the Blusers

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Topic:

In Suggestions, dcarmine writes:

I noticed this user name a few weeks ago. I wondered what is going on because
the users have some feedback but is no longer registered.

Can you share what you learned?

Author:

yorbrick

Posted:

Jan 22, 2020 13:43

Subject:

Re: Attack of the Blusers

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Topic:

In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:

In Suggestions, mfav writes:

In Suggestions, dcarmine writes:

I figured it out finally, but it would be helpful to have a brief explanation
of Blusers in the Help Center somewhere.

Can you share what you learned?

Blusers = BL Users

Yes, it’s just part of the anonymisation of unregistered users. (GDPR)

Author:

SylvainLS

Posted:

Jan 22, 2020 13:30

Subject:

Re: Attack of the Blusers

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Topic:

In Suggestions, mfav writes:

In Suggestions, dcarmine writes:

I figured it out finally, but it would be helpful to have a brief explanation
of Blusers in the Help Center somewhere.

Can you share what you learned?

Blusers = BL Users

Yes, it’s just part of the anonymisation of unregistered users. (GDPR)

Author:

mfav

Posted:

Jan 22, 2020 13:27

Subject:

Re: Attack of the Blusers

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80 times

Topic:

In Suggestions, dcarmine writes:

I figured it out finally, but it would be helpful to have a brief explanation
of Blusers in the Help Center somewhere.

Can you share what you learned?

Blusers = BL Users

Author:

dcarmine

Posted:

Jan 22, 2020 13:23

Subject:

Re: Attack of the Blusers

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Topic:

In Suggestions, StormChaser writes:

I noticed this user name a few weeks ago. I wondered what is going on because
the users have some feedback but is no longer registered.

Can you share what you learned?

Thanks
Donna

Author:

M.Boss

Posted:

Jan 20, 2020 16:53

Subject:

Re: My own private warehouse to keep my inventory

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Topic:

In Suggestions, markmamer writes:

Is there a way to put my own inventory up on the site under my own private warehouse?
I do not want to be a seller yet but I would like to keep my inventory on the
site.

I find using BrickStock to be much easier to track personal inventory. If you
do want to use Bricklink.com then you can create a store and keep it closed all
the time but add your personal inventory to it.

http://brickstock.patrickbrans.com

Also, this message does not in the suggestions topic.

Author:

cj50

Posted:

Jan 20, 2020 16:41

Subject:

Re: My own private warehouse to keep my inventory

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54 times

Topic:

In Suggestions, markmamer writes:

Is there a way to put my own inventory up on the site under my own private warehouse?
I do not want to be a seller yet but I would like to keep my inventory on the
site.

You could setup a store and keep it closed. If you did want to sell stuff you
could keep your collection in one of the stockrooms. You could also use the Brickstock
program and keep your inventory on your local machine.

Author:

manganschlamm

Posted:

Jan 20, 2020 16:30

Subject:

Re: My own private warehouse to keep my inventory

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Topic:

In Suggestions, markmamer writes:

Is there a way to put my own inventory up on the site under my own private warehouse?
I do not want to be a seller yet but I would like to keep my inventory on the
site.

I do this by a set of wanted lists where I set number of items equal to the number
of items I want. Not the perfect solution, but it works OK.

Author:

Jpbsl

Posted:

Jan 20, 2020 16:14

Subject:

Re: My own private warehouse to keep my inventory

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Topic:

In Suggestions, markmamer writes:

Is there a way to put my own inventory up on the site under my own private warehouse?
I do not want to be a seller yet but I would like to keep my inventory on the
site.

did you figure this out? I'm in the same process.

Author:

markmamer

Posted:

Jan 20, 2020 15:58

Subject:

My own private warehouse to keep my inventory

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Topic:

Status:

Open

Vote:

[Yes|No]

Is there a way to put my own inventory up on the site under my own private warehouse?
I do not want to be a seller yet but I would like to keep my inventory on the
site.

Author:

axaday

Posted:

Jan 20, 2020 10:09

Subject:

Re: Instruction Books for CMF

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Topic:

In Suggestions, 10030Builder writes:

Hello Admin,

I hope I am in the right place.

Is there any reason why Collectible Minifigure's instruction books are inventoried
as each specific minifigure when all instruction books are the same?

This causes confusion for buyers (and annoyance for sellers) who think they are
getting the specific minifigure's instruction booklet when it will just be
a generic book.

So when parting out a CMF, instead of:

(Instructions) for Set col19 Video Game Champ, Series 19

It should read:

(Instructions) for Series 19 Collectible Minifigure

Just my 2 cents... thanks!!

Potter More

The way the system is built, the intructions and packaging for a set are a property
of the set, like the weight and dimensions. So more than one set cannot share
the same instructions or packaging.

Author:

leopard37

Posted:

Jan 20, 2020 09:26

Subject:

Re: Package restriction

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Topic:

In Suggestions, atkk writes:

Hello,
Please add "Maximum number of parts" as a Package restriction in the shipping
options. I just had someone place an order for 500 parts; this cannot be shipped
as lettermail, since 500 parts is too big for this option.
Thanks,
Andre

If are you having trouble getting the orders that are over ~350 grams in an actual
envelope set your shipping to go to package after that weight is the issue. The
site doesn't control this you do. Figure out weight wise what you can fit
and then adjust your settings.

Tyson.

Author:

PotterMoreBrick

Posted:

Jan 20, 2020 08:35

Subject:

Instruction Books for CMF

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Topic:

Status:

Open

Vote:

[Yes|No]

Author:

BricksWithWings

Posted:

Jan 20, 2020 00:17

Subject:

Compare Wanted Lists

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Topic:

Status:

Open

Vote:

[Yes|No]

I have a model I designed in 2017 that has 1,600+ parts. I updated the model
in 2020, adding about 150 parts and simplifying the design considerably. However,
I think 80% of the parts are the same between the 2 versions. I'd like to
be able to compare the wanted list from the two models to see what I already
have so that I only order the difference.

Author:

qwertyboy

Posted:

Jan 19, 2020 17:29

Subject:

Re: Package restriction

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Topic:

In Suggestions, atkk writes:

You have requested the exact same quite a while ago:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1062347
Like then, I still don't see the issue. If someone places an order for 500
1x1 plates, this will definitely fit Canadian lettermail. I can also easily ship
at least 800 1x1 bricks as lettermail.

Your order of "500 parts" what did it consist of exactly?

Niek.

Author:

atkk

Posted:

Jan 19, 2020 16:47

Subject:

Package restriction

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Topic:

Status:

Open

Vote:

[Yes|No]

Author:

Bratzzo

Posted:

Jan 18, 2020 16:02

Subject:

Re: Easy buy

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Topic:

In Suggestions, thexfile writes:

Hi is it possible to sort stores not just by price or quantity but by country
or proximity to the home country you select ?

Because I felt on getting stores from all over the place even outside Holland
and then I figured out that the stores in Holland have the stuff I want but it
was not the cheapest way to get the parts .... So I now set it to highest quantity
but ideal I would only easy buy to select : 1 holand : 2 most items in 1 store
: 3 as least stores possible pref just 1 but not 6 like it does now ....

I want only Holland because I will have the bricks sooner as it only takes 1
or 2 days and its cheaper.

Hope you can do this as for now easy buy is far from that sorry.

Thank hope you understand

Use the "Expand" button nearby "Store Filter" to use more filters.
So you can select the store location. You can sort by a specific country, a region
or anywhere.

Author:

SylvainLS

Posted:

Jan 18, 2020 15:50

Subject:

Re: Easy buy

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Topic:

In Suggestions, thexfile writes:

Use Auto-select on the Buy page ( https://www.bricklink.com/v2/wanted/buy.page
). It has more options.

Author:

thexfile

Posted:

Jan 18, 2020 15:17

Subject:

Easy buy

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Topic:

Status:

Open

Vote:

[Yes|No]

Author:

chetzler

Posted:

Jan 12, 2020 11:39

Subject:

Please include Tax field when download orders

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Topic:

Status:

Open

Vote:

[Yes|No]

I recently dowloaded my orders in Excel format here:
https://www.bricklink.com/orderExcel.asp?orderType=received

I've done this before but I am now making a concerted effort to import this
into my own database primarily for tax purposes. I just realized that the process
imports every field except for Tax. Surely this was an oversight since the tax
field was added later. However it is frustrating because it means I still have
to manually search out every Minnesota order manually to calculate my total 2019
sales tax collected.

Surely this will be an easy fix and it can be corrected promptly!

Thank you,
-Chris

Author:

62Bricks

Posted:

Jan 11, 2020 08:29

Subject:

Re: Ability to identify parts for a specific set

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58 times

Topic:

In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:

In Suggestions, HillbillyBricks writes:

How can you get a list of parts that you have in your inventory for a specific
set.

On your My Inventory page in the extra options Search My Inventory you can enter
a set number.

In the price guide it will tell you how many parts you have in inventory
for a set. I want to knw what those parts are.

Check the option Show Items in My Inventory to see if you've got the items
in your inventory on the Catalog page:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogOptions.asp?viewFrom=P

We used to have the ability to do this with a shop's listings, too. You could
see what parts from a set were for sale at any shop. That feature broke when
the site was redesigned and has not been fixed. It would be nice to have it back.

Author:

Brickwilbo

Posted:

Jan 11, 2020 05:17

Subject:

Re: Ability to identify parts for a specific set

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41 times

Topic:

In Suggestions, HillbillyBricks writes:

How can you get a list of parts that you have in your inventory for a specific
set.

On your My Inventory page in the extra options Search My Inventory you can enter
a set number.

In the price guide it will tell you how many parts you have in inventory
for a set. I want to knw what those parts are.

Check the option Show Items in My Inventory to see if you've got the items
in your inventory on the Catalog page:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogOptions.asp?viewFrom=P

Author:

HillbillyBricks

Posted:

Jan 11, 2020 04:37

Subject:

Ability to identify parts for a specific set

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90 times

Topic:

Status:

Open

Vote:

[Yes|No]

How can you get a list of parts that you have in your inventory for a specific
set. In the price guide it will tell you how many parts you have in inventory
for a set. I want to knw what those parts are.

Author:

Brickwilbo

Posted:

Jan 9, 2020 01:28

Subject:

Re: Search for parts from favourite sellers

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55 times

Topic:

In Suggestions, nzcam writes:

Via check-box option, It would be very handy to be able to restrict part searches
to just those sellers included in your favourite list, and separately to this,
those sellers you have open carts with.

This would be useful when adding to existing open orders (to save on shipping
or small batch orders) - If I know I'm already going to be placing orders
with Sellers A, B, C, & F, and I realise I need some more of a particular part,
being able to see which of those sellers have that part and what they're
chargning for it, is useful since I don't need to go back out to the wider
market (and shipping cost), AND I don't need to go to each open seller's
Store to search on them individually. One search does the trick.

Here you can Sort your Favourite sellers on top:
https://www.bricklink.com/wantedSettings.asp?viewFrom=P

Author:

nzcam

Posted:

Jan 8, 2020 21:45

Subject:

Search for parts from favourite sellers

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Topic:

Status:

Open

Vote:

[Yes|No]

Author:

bje

Posted:

Jan 7, 2020 10:29

Subject:

Re: New Payment Method

Viewed:

68 times

Topic:

In Suggestions, LaygoAdelaide writes:

Would it be possible to add another payment method.
Afterpay
Zip Pay
or at least have a blank one so that we can input our own custom method.

+1^google
Actually add a few blank ones, make it country specific with country specific
shipping methods and allow for direct QR codes and links. Or better yet - just
allow sellers in countries other than the USA to also use payment methods that
are relevant to their own circumstances even if it is miles ahead of what is
avaialable in the USA. If we can have onsite payments for paypal and stripe,
there should be no earthly reason for other methods not to be enabled as well.

Author:

bb75359

Posted:

Jan 7, 2020 09:41

Subject:

New Payment Method

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Topic:

Status:

Open

Vote:

[Yes|No]

Would it be possible to add another payment method.
Afterpay
Zip Pay
or at least have a blank one so that we can input our own custom method.

Author:

Brickwilbo

Posted:

Jan 7, 2020 06:30

Subject:

Re: Ability to search through order history

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Topic:

In Suggestions, badlego writes:

In Suggestions, Brick.Door writes:

In Suggestions, badlego writes:

to enable me to see what I've already purchased, it would be good to search
my completed orders.

It already exists.
On your orders placed page, click on "Find Orders"

thank you. I was hoping to search through my entire order history but this is
a good start. I have tried searching for a recent item by minifigure reference
number.

Maybe it's possible to download old data, the same as with old purged received
orders.

Author:

badlego

Posted:

Jan 7, 2020 03:25

Subject:

Re: Ability to search through order history

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Topic:

In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:

In Suggestions, Brick.Door writes:

In Suggestions, badlego writes:

to enable me to see what I've already purchased, it would be good to search
my completed orders.

It already exists.
On your orders placed page, click on "Find Orders"

Although that only works for orders that have not been purged - so six months.
An alternative is to search through emails for past orders, although part numbers
are missing in favour of names.

thank you, I had hoped to see historic orders too as I've been buying for
years and want to avoid buying duplicate figures without searching through my
collection. maybe I need an inventory of items I own.

Author:

badlego

Posted:

Jan 7, 2020 03:23

Subject:

Re: Ability to search through order history

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38 times

Topic:

In Suggestions, Brick.Door writes:

In Suggestions, badlego writes:

to enable me to see what I've already purchased, it would be good to search
my completed orders.

It already exists.
On your orders placed page, click on "Find Orders"

thank you. I was hoping to search through my entire order history but this is
a good start. I have tried searching for a recent item by minifigure reference
number.

Author:

yorbrick

Posted:

Jan 6, 2020 14:49

Subject:

Re: Ability to search through order history

Viewed:

34 times

Topic:

In Suggestions, Brick.Door writes:

In Suggestions, badlego writes:

to enable me to see what I've already purchased, it would be good to search
my completed orders.

It already exists.
On your orders placed page, click on "Find Orders"

Although that only works for orders that have not been purged - so six months.
An alternative is to search through emails for past orders, although part numbers
are missing in favour of names.

Author:

Brick.Door

Posted:

Jan 6, 2020 12:17

Subject:

Re: Ability to search through order history

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33 times

Topic:

In Suggestions, badlego writes:

to enable me to see what I've already purchased, it would be good to search
my completed orders.

It already exists.
On your orders placed page, click on "Find Orders"

Author:

badlego

Posted:

Jan 6, 2020 11:28

Subject:

Ability to search through order history

Viewed:

63 times

Topic:

Status:

Open

Vote:

[Yes|No]

to enable me to see what I've already purchased, it would be good to search
my completed orders.

Author:

cosmicray

Posted:

Jan 5, 2020 16:58

Subject:

Brand Identification stickers

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Topic:

Status:

Open

Vote:

[Yes|No]

One of the things that BrickLink needs, is better brand identification in the
larger community of potential buyers. It occurs to me that one way to work towards
this goal is to have BL logo stickers (I.e. The same icon contains the smiling
yellow face 2x2 brick logo). This type of sticker has been used by Apple, in
that one is included with every Apple product. Over the past ~20 years it has
been a white Apple with a bite missing, white the original incarnation was a
6-color Apple.

Our new benevolent overlords have extensive experience in producing stickers,
and presumably they have access to the ability to produce large quantities, that
we (the sellers) could include one with each order. Eventually, you would start
seeing them stuck on laptops and the rear windows of vehicles. Free advertising
for BL !

Thank you for your support.
Nita Rae

Author:

metropolis1927

Posted:

Jan 4, 2020 13:34

Subject:

Re: Show item quantity on catalog item page!

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Topic:

Thank you calsbricks! It works, in settings change to Items. See pics.
Cheers,
Marko

In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:

In Suggestions, mfav writes:

This isn't it?

Hi Mark

Not sure which is the answer. If he goes to settings as I implied he will have
the ability to change the no of lots to no of items, but doing it as you have
shown shows both the lots and then below but I am not an 'ex' Pert we
will let him choose.

Author:

teran01

Posted:

Jan 3, 2020 14:31

Subject:

Stop auto-switch "top banners" on homepage

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114 times

Topic:

Status:

Open

Vote:

[Yes|No]

Adding changing/moving banners makes me nervous and feels like random ads and
topics on tabloid sites that want to desperately generate clicks. Please, this
is not a site for hyperactive children used to fast cut youtube videos who might
think this is a good idea. Keep still images on Bricklink and put everything
that moves to the main Lego.com site, which can't be made worse anyway. Thanks.

Author:

calsbricks

Posted:

Jan 3, 2020 13:06

Subject:

Re: Show item quantity on catalog item page!

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Topic:

In Suggestions, mfav writes:

This isn't it?

Author:

mfav

Posted:

Jan 3, 2020 12:53

Subject:

Re: Show item quantity on catalog item page!

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50 times

Topic:

This isn't it?

Author:

calsbricks

Posted:

Jan 3, 2020 12:22

Subject:

Re: Show item quantity on catalog item page!

Viewed:

46 times

Topic:

In Suggestions, metropolis1927 writes:

Hello
Can you put somewhere quantity (Qty), shown on item search page, on catalog item
page?! See pictures.
That would be very useful!
Thank you.
Cheers,
Marko

Already exists - it is a setting here

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogOptions.asp?viewFrom=P

Show no of items by No items of r lots.

Author:

metropolis1927

Posted:

Jan 3, 2020 12:09

Subject:

Show item quantity on catalog item page!

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78 times

Topic:

Status:

Open

Vote:

[Yes|No]

Hello
Can you put somewhere quantity (Qty), shown on item search page, on catalog item
page?! See pictures.
That would be very useful!
Thank you.
Cheers,
Marko

Author:

Teup

Posted:

Jan 3, 2020 03:43

Subject:

Re: Policy change - Undetermined versus Unknown a

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Topic:

In Suggestions, axaday writes:

When you just get
told that you have this long to fix it or your listing will just evaporate, I

Listings evaporating would be totally unacceptable though, and would finally
cause the people who are accusing BL of inventory gremlins to be right. If such
a system was implemented it would cause me to write software to evade it. Because
to me, if there is one thing that's unacceptable about selling, it's
parts physically taking up space in my home that are dead weight and I will never
discover it. It's a number that can only grow over time, unless I would count
all of my million parts which - call me lazy - I won't do

Much better to simply make (older) "undetermined" parts not appear in the list
when browsing a store's items. Or undetermined items forced into stockroom
(with clear notification). The seller's inventory management should always
be 100% accurate and not suffer from a pressure means to improve listings. That's
a very principal thing to me, and for some sellers there's even a tax report
aspect here.

But yes, I understand your sentiment, and it shouldn't be too difficult for
Bricklink to focus the incentive on "buyability" and not on messing up administration.

In Suggestions, Teup writes:

In Suggestions, axaday writes:

In Suggestions, Teup writes:

When a new variant is introduced after
something was listed, then logically the listing is the old variant and does
not need to be undetermined.

That's actually not logical. Sometimes it is a while before a variant is
recognized. It is not at all uncommon for it to go unnoticed for 6 months by
which time a lot of people have the new one for sale, listed as the old one.

I added

42876 Turkey Drumstick, 22mm with Oval Opening on Back
Parts: Food & Drink

to the catalog when someone on the forum reported that there
was a new variant. I happened to have it and got a quick picture. This happened
Sept 23, 2019. Last year's advent calenders brought the attention to it.
But it has now been found in 7 sets from 2018. You had over a year to part
out one of those sets and have a listing that claimed to be the old variant and
was actually the new variant.

Many more stark examples can be found among the Clikits. Little attention has
usually be given to them. [p=clikits004a] and [p=clikits004b] masqueraded as
the same part for ELEVEN YEARS before Woutr noticed they were distinct and there
are a dozen other Clikits pieces with the same situation. Now the listings are
littered with the undetermined piece and there is no way for the Bricklink computers
to determine which is which. It's pretty easy to do in person once you learn
what you are looking for, but you have to actually have the pieces in your hand.

True, and I wasn't saying that it could account for *all* listings. But it
would already help a great deal if the items that are certainly not of the newer
type, weren't turned into undetermined. Even in your 11 year example, they
could still leave listings that are older than 11 years (and not added to in
the meantime). Maybe not so many listings left that qualify in such an extreme
case, but still, all bits help.
I think for most items we have a pretty good grasp on what year they were released.
If I recall right, several lots in my inventory have turned "undetermined" that
hadn't been created or added to for quite some time, and there was no reason
to make them undetermined because of a much more recent type.

Anyway you're right it's not a *solution*... just something that'd
help. Along with clear communication about new types to sellers that have them
listed when a new one is discovered, and simple interface options to manage types.
I think type listing deserves some attention for improvement, as many problems
buyers run into with sellers have to do with type errors.

Author:

axaday

Posted:

Jan 2, 2020 20:53

Subject:

Re: Policy change - Undetermined versus Unknown a

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Topic:

It would definitely be nice if the system automatically notified you. But in
trying to clean up the Clikits listings I have often directly asked people to
check their undetermined pieces so the undetermined listings can be deleted.
The result has now and then been that they do it. Mostly it is ignored. Some
people will actually have a back and forth a few messages and then not do it.
One person just told me that I am not an admin and I can't make them. It
is hard for me to understand. It's really easy to fix once someone has pointed
it out.

So I like what Russell said about a time limit and when it is backed by real
authority instead of someone just trying to work things out. When you just get
told that you have this long to fix it or your listing will just evaporate, I
think people will take the couple of minutes to fix it.

In Suggestions, Teup writes:

In Suggestions, axaday writes:

In Suggestions, Teup writes:

When a new variant is introduced after
something was listed, then logically the listing is the old variant and does
not need to be undetermined.

42876 Turkey Drumstick, 22mm with Oval Opening on Back
Parts: Food & Drink

Author:

62Bricks

Posted:

Jan 2, 2020 18:17

Subject:

Re: Part Variants

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Topic:

In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:

In Suggestions, StormChaser writes:

In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:

listing strength

Could you explain this term in more detail? I'm genuinely not sure what
it means. I've gone back through and reread all the forum posts where it
is used and I'm still not sure of the definition.

If an entry with 400 lots is split into two entries, you may see 250 listings
go to one variant and 300 go to another. That would mean that effectively 150
of those lots were also split.

What this means for the buyer is that they now only have 250 or 300 lots to
choose from, not 400. This may not seem like a big deal, but when you narrow
their options down to domestic shipping, and add the complexity of finding a
few dozen other parts from their wanted list in the same store, it becomes a
significant issue, and it could cost them more in shipping charges and higher
part prices.

Looking at it another way, if you have 5000 parts listed in various lots under
an entry, and the entry is split, 2000 may go to one variant and 3000 would then
go to the other.

And in both these examples, if there is an undetermined entry that needs to be
retired, that splits things in three ways instead of two, at least for a year
or so.

Listing strength is one of the advantages that BrickLink has over its competition.
If you look at any given part, there is a greater quantity available from more
sources than on any other site.

Of course, listing strength isn't a big deal if you are only out to buy one
or two parts. But for most of our users, getting the most parts from the fewest
number of sources is likely one of the biggest challenges they face when dealing
with the constraints of thier building budget.

the fewest possible entries

eliminate some variants that don't really need to be distinguished by the majority
of buyers and sellers.

Fair enough. I always thought there must be some way to structure the catalog/site
so that all variants could be distinguished without affecting commercial interests.
I still feel like that would be the best possible outcome. It would allow the
site to serve all users equally.

But I understand that some variants really are unimportant and I see the chaos
that variants have on inventories. And I haven't heard anyone propose a
solution that would work well. I'm not sure that one exists.

But if we are going to make a distinction (and the site already does) between
important and unimportant variants, it would probably be helpful to clearly define
that distinction in writing so that everyone knows where the line is drawn.

Absolutely. Nothing like this will be done behind closed doors.

give a fixed, reasonable length of time for sellers to
deal with undetermined entries in their stores, instead of waiting until all
items have sold out.

Yeah, maintaining hundreds of Marked for Deletion items for years is not the
best policy.

Leniency on sellers in this respect was done to appease folks who thought the
catalog was going too far in the direction of the collectors and specialists.
But I really do believe if we can come to a compromise on this issue, sellers
will gladly relinquish their grip on those old entries.

For variants that share a part number and are distinguished by a suffix, it would
be possible to add a "pseudo" entry on the parts browsing page that would lead
to search results for all variants. For example, on this page:

https://www.bricklink.com/browseList.asp?itemType=P&catString=27

could be an entry for, say, "Plate, Modified 1 x 1 with Clip Vertical - All variants"

with a list of colors like the other entries. The links would lead to a wildcard
search for that part number in that color, as in:

https://www.bricklink.com/search.asp?viewFrom=sa&itemBrand=1000&colorID=9&q=4085%2A&searchSort=P&sz=25

Additionally, it would be a matter of a few minutes to add a checkbox to the
item search page at https://www.bricklink.com/searchAdvanced.asp?utm_content=subnav
that said "Show all variants" and that would append the * wildcard to the part
number entered.

These are things that could be done now, with no underlying changes to the catalog
or functionality. They would allow buyers to see all the variations in one set
of results.

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Teup

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In Suggestions, axaday writes:

In Suggestions, Teup writes:

When a new variant is introduced after
something was listed, then logically the listing is the old variant and does
not need to be undetermined.

42876 Turkey Drumstick, 22mm with Oval Opening on Back
Parts: Food & Drink

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Admin_Russell

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Jan 2, 2020 17:00

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In Suggestions, dearlydeparted writes:

Catalogue Variants: One of the most frustrating moments and arguments happened
years ago concerning part 4070 and the addition of 4070a. Many argued it was
the same part but had the slot due to the mold or level of plastic fill - others
said it was a separate mold. I spent days looking through all my 4070's and
separating into 4070a - almost going blind. Then, if I remember correctly, the
4070a was abandoned and all parts had to be compiled again. What a waste in effort
and time - I never separated them out again when the variant reappeared. Does
anyone remember this? Can we avoid such waffling in the future P-L-E-A-S-E!

Truth be told, 4070 was never "the part without the slot". You should have just
left them unsorted. 4070a was created so that if people wanted to trade the version
with slot, they could do so. But 4070b was never created.

However, that is actually a perfect example of a variant entry that needed to
go away. I agree - a huge waste of time for everyone.

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dearlydeparted

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Jan 2, 2020 15:37

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axaday

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In Suggestions, Teup writes:

When a new variant is introduced after
something was listed, then logically the listing is the old variant and does
not need to be undetermined.

42876 Turkey Drumstick, 22mm with Oval Opening on Back
Parts: Food & Drink

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hpoort

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Jan 2, 2020 13:43

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In Suggestions, mfav writes:

[...]

You fail to present the interface side of the issue. At one extreme you have
grandma who wants to get grandchild a replacement piece to hold an antenna...and
she doesn't understand lego, and she doesn't understand variants, and
she can barely manage to navigate a web site to begin with. On the other extreme
you have the uberAFOLs who want to get extremely granular with the specifics.
The user interface for grandma is going to need to be decidedly different than
the interface for uberAFOLer. Grandma needs a drill-down; UberAFOLer wants a
dense form.

True, although I envisioned the interface side it in my mind, I did not present
the interface side. My idea is to simplify the interface for the grandma that
does not know nor care about variants, while still allowing the uberAFOLer to
specify a particular variant. This should indeed not be done by a new trick,
simply by the webform having a checkbox and/or dropdown showing the available
variants if any.

For matching wanted lists with store items: presume that wanted
list entries may contain a search pattern instead of a single
entry. Change the SQL from ‘=’ to ‘LIKE’ wherever necessary
or drop the quotes around the field. (But make sure
no malicious code may be entered through this field).

True again. Maybe no user entry then. It is just an implementation suggestion
that would allow the programming to be limited to one line of code.

The better solution is to make a search page with a series of checkboxes and/or
popups where you pick what you want from a fixed list. Potentially allow for
an open search box or boxes, but restrict a single search box to a specific
field within the database. Allow the user to also specify the boolean...whether
something equals (LIKE) or contains (LIKE%...%) a value or values.

Then there's the whole issue of having to explain to the user how to use
the search function or make sure it's simple and obvious how to use it...which
the current search function is definitely not.

Agreed; the search function should be more obvious.

All the elements of the database structure, data, forms (UI/UX), and programming
need to work in concert. You've addressed parts of some of these and none
of others.

Would your proposed change be helpful? Probably. But it's moot...at least
short term...because it can't be implemented in a useful way without a very
large amount of work. You have something here in embryo that's good/it's
not fully developed yet.

Thanks for your support.

Author:

hpoort

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Jan 2, 2020 13:20

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In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:

In Suggestions, StormChaser writes:

In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:

listing strength

Could you explain this term in more detail? I'm genuinely not sure what
it means. I've gone back through and reread all the forum posts where it
is used and I'm still not sure of the definition.

If an entry with 400 lots is split into two entries, you may see 250 listings
go to one variant and 300 go to another. That would mean that effectively 150
of those lots were also split.

Russell,

Since my suggestion was not about splitting, but about unifying the search methods
instead, I am not sure that you have completely understood the implications of
my suggestion. What I am suggesting would allow both sellers not to distinguish
their listings if they don't want to (and some already don't), and buyers
to get what they want without having to distinguish their searches (most new
buyers already don't).

[...]
Listing strength is one of the advantages that BrickLink has over its competition.
If you look at any given part, there is a greater quantity available from more
sources than on any other site.

With an extended wanted list feature, you would increase the number of lots that
can be found, not decrease.

[...]

Hans-Peter

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bagelboybugle

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Jan 2, 2020 12:45

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In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:

Commercially yes, but BL's core appeal is the depth of its catalog.

I have always believed that scrapping undetermined was a bad idea. My argument
links very directly to set inventory - typically, when a part is changed (e.g.
a lip added to reduce the amount of plastic used to make a part) we may be able
to identify through inventory change requests which sets those parts were first
and last seen in, all the sets in between, because of how the parts mix at the
factory or old molds still may be in use, we literally cannot determine which
variant should be in a set. Thus, taking away undetermined made the BL catalog
less accurate.

The insistance by the catalog admins of removing all the undetermined entries,
especially for parts worth only a couple of pence, made it difficult for me as
a seller to offer those parts, it was simply too inefficient to invest the extra
30 minutes on a part out to individually check 1p parts for minor variances.
This played a big factor in my decision to wind up my store as a business and
only sell items that are excess from my own collection.

Perhaps a good way is to use a single entry, which is by default `undetermined`
for buyers and sellers alike who only wish to deal in one entry with variants
identified through a check box or drop down menu (3001old etc), the part out
and wanted screens wouldnt need to look too much different, undetermined options
could select as default, its then easy to select the correct/preferred varient.
It would be valuable if the price guide was also seperatable by the same parameters,
so that those who do choose to sell or buy a specific variant can search appropriately

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manganschlamm

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Jan 2, 2020 12:25

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In Suggestions, mfav writes:

While I champion the desired functionality change, I question the means to get
there.

The underlying catalog database needs to be reenvisioned from the ground up to
effect the type of change you suggest.

You've cherry picked one example out of hundreds where there is some underlying
catalog issue, so this is a piecemeal approach to a problem. The "solution" to
this one particular problem most likely will not be the same "solution" required
for some other element.

The database likely needs to be reconsidered to have these at least fields, probably
more:
- a part number ( e.g., 4085 )
- a mold variant value ( I'd guess three digits would do it...1000 variants
ought to handle it for our lifetime)
- a decoration value ( 7 digits would give 10 million possibilities)

This scheme would allow for
- 4085, 4085.1, 4085.2, etc.
- 973.1.0000001, 973.2.0000001, etc.

You could then WantList 4085 and have stores return 4085, 4085.1, 4085.2, 4085.3,
4085.4
or
Wantlist 4085.2 and have stores return 4085.2

...this is as opposed to...

The idea of a single field with 100 characters. It is too complicated and
too restrictive. This is the same problem we now have with the name/description
field. It is too short and populated too inconsistently for it to be useful.

You fail to present the interface side of the issue. At one extreme you have
grandma who wants to get grandchild a replacement piece to hold an antenna...and
she doesn't understand lego, and she doesn't understand variants, and
she can barely manage to navigate a web site to begin with. On the other extreme
you have the uberAFOLs who want to get extremely granular with the specifics.
The user interface for grandma is going to need to be decidedly different than
the interface for uberAFOLer. Grandma needs a drill-down; UberAFOLer wants a
dense form.

There are already too many "undocumented tricks" required to use the site search
as is. Needing to know to append an asterisk to the end of a search string to
return the variants is number one. Having to put quotes around search strings
is number two.

Statements like this...d'oh! Have a search field that's entirely open
for somebody to put whatever they want into it and at the same time don't
let them put anything bad into it. That's just way too broad an expectation
and impossible to code. With open search fields you have the problems of matching
strings, misspellings, punctuation, the frikkin' ampersand, and on and on.
Open search fields are, generally speaking, just plain bad.

The better solution is to make a search page with a series of checkboxes and/or
popups where you pick what you want from a fixed list. Potentially allow for
an open search box or boxes, but restrict a single search box to a specific
field within the database. Allow the user to also specify the boolean...whether
something equals (LIKE) or contains (LIKE%...%) a value or values.

Then there's the whole issue of having to explain to the user how to use
the search function or make sure it's simple and obvious how to use it...which
the current search function is definitely not.

All the elements of the database structure, data, forms (UI/UX), and programming
need to work in concert. You've addressed parts of some of these and none
of others.

Would your proposed change be helpful? Probably. But it's moot...at least
short term...because it can't be implemented in a useful way without a very
large amount of work. You have something here in embryo that's good/it's
not fully developed yet.

This all boils down to one important question: Will TLG as the new owner put
more resources into this site (i.e. more people)?

Author:

Admin_Russell

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Jan 2, 2020 12:09

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In Suggestions, StormChaser writes:

In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:

listing strength

Could you explain this term in more detail? I'm genuinely not sure what
it means. I've gone back through and reread all the forum posts where it
is used and I'm still not sure of the definition.

the fewest possible entries

eliminate some variants that don't really need to be distinguished by the majority
of buyers and sellers.

Absolutely. Nothing like this will be done behind closed doors.

give a fixed, reasonable length of time for sellers to
deal with undetermined entries in their stores, instead of waiting until all
items have sold out.

Yeah, maintaining hundreds of Marked for Deletion items for years is not the
best policy.

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mfav

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Jan 2, 2020 11:47

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Admin_Russell

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In Suggestions, Teup writes:

In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:

At the same time, we need to start enforcing listing rules
more stringently, and give a fixed, reasonable length of time for sellers to
deal with undetermined entries in their stores, instead of waiting until all
items have sold out.

I think that is only fair if Bricklink also improves the system. Because right
now it has turned a lot of parts that I had in fact determined, into undetermined
parts (thinking of jumper plates now). When a new variant is introduced after
something was listed, then logically the listing is the old variant and does
not need to be undetermined. At the very least I'd like to receive a message
when a new variant is added and a confirmation option to mark my existing stock
as the old variant. Because right now things become undetermined without me know
it, then they are ordered, a random variant gets picked, and the result is inconsistent
inventory that needs to be recounted. That's a bit off putting.

I agree, we need to do a better job of communicating with our sellers. Perhaps
we could have sellers sign up to be notified when a variant relationship is added
to a part they have in stock.

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StormChaser

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Jan 2, 2020 11:44

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In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:

listing strength

Could you explain this term in more detail? I'm genuinely not sure what
it means. I've gone back through and reread all the forum posts where it
is used and I'm still not sure of the definition.

the fewest possible entries

eliminate some variants that don't really need to be distinguished by the majority
of buyers and sellers.

give a fixed, reasonable length of time for sellers to
deal with undetermined entries in their stores, instead of waiting until all
items have sold out.

Yeah, maintaining hundreds of Marked for Deletion items for years is not the
best policy.

Author:

Teup

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Admin_Russell

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My idea is a bit different. I feel that the marketplace needs to be unified,
and that standards should be set to gain maximum listing strength with the fewest
possible entries, while still providing enough entries for important variants.

In order to bring everyone together, we need to do some housecleaning and eliminate
some variants that don't really need to be distinguished by the majority
of buyers and sellers. At the same time, we need to start enforcing listing rules
more stringently, and give a fixed, reasonable length of time for sellers to
deal with undetermined entries in their stores, instead of waiting until all
items have sold out. Keep in mind that not all undetermined entries involve variants.

I do believe there can be a middle ground on some variants, where sellers have
a choice to be general or be specific, but this would be better implemented with
a checkbox system, where sellers would check the variant they have confirmed
(or not check any variant) and then buyers who want a specific variant can easily
search for them. This could replace many of the notes that are currently written
in listings.

But compare these three entries:

3001 Brick 2 x 4
Parts: Brick

3001old Brick 2 x 4 without Cross Supports
Parts: Brick

3001special Brick 2 x 4 special (special bricks, test bricks and/or prototypes)
Parts: Brick

For the sake of the marketplace, these entries SHOULD NOT be confused by sellers,
and every seller should sort their parts accordingly. It is a foolish thing to
give an option to uneducated buyers to buy either 3001old or 3001special when
they are looking for the modern 3001.

The issue of variants has been hashed out many times in the Forum, and I would
suggest you go back and read some of those threads, so that you will see that
not all variants are of equal significance. BrickLink's great strength is
selling brand new parts, and it's important that when someone comes here
for replacements, they are directed to the newest, latest mold variant of a given
part.

In Suggestions, hpoort writes:

With the takeover by TLG, it may be time that some fundamental changes to the
site get implemented. Hence the posting of this idea - that has been bothering
me for years.

— requires programming and website extension —

Currently in the Bricklink catalog are parts that signify ‘undetermined variant’,
commonly marked for deletion or already deleted, and corresponding parts that
represent the specific variants of these. The current system requires sellers
to determine the specific variant type – even if they would prefer not to distinguish.
The same system requires buyers to exactly specify which variant they are interested
in buying – even if they don’t actually care which is commonly true. My suggestion
would be to distinguish the two concepts as are the processes: the process of
specifying what is for sale (which may be undetermined) and the process of specifying
what you want to buy (which may be ‘don’t care’). Both processes are already
separate on Bricklink (store inventory and wanted lists), but the concept of
‘undetermined’ is not.

For the catalog policy
• Keep all undetermined variants in the catalog and even add undetermined
variants for those parts that are similar. This information may be extracted
from the relation type ‘part is similar to’.
• Drop the deletion marks for all the undetermined entries and solely use
this marking for wrong or outdated entries.

For sellers
For sellers to don’t want to distinguish between part variants: list these parts
under the undetermined entry only. The BL system should be modified to show these
entries amidst the specific variants for any non specific search as through wanted
lists.

For buyers
For buyers it should be possible to specify an undetermined variety or in
effect a search pattern instead of a single part number. If a buyer does not
care whether a p=4085 is of type a, b, c or d, the buyer should be able to add
p=4085* to his wanted list and the search engine should have no trouble in matching
4085a, 4085b or 4085d with this. Similarly to the 0 color (labeled N/A or Not
Appicable while in this context it actually means Irrelevant).
Buyers should be assisted by the website to specify a specific variant if applicable,
but default to the don’t care form.

For the Bricklink website
• Add a feature to the ‘Add to Wanted List’ and ‘Edit Wanted List’ forms
to allow adding of (a) this specific variant only or (b) include variants. Then
populate the wanted list with the appropriate search pattern instead of the single
part number. This would take the form of either a complete enumeration of all
varieties like ‘4085|4085a|4085b|4085c|4085d’ (plate 1x1 with clip) or the more
general entry of ‘4085*’ or ‘4085@’; I would think the enumeration is more robust,
as it would also allow ‘3794|3794a|3794b|15573’ (jumper 1x2) and would also
allow manual exclusion of one or more variants.
• Adjust the ‘Items for sale’ pages or page fragments that show all matching
parts to include all variants when searching for the don’t care variety.

For the Bricklink database
• Widen the field WantedListItems.ItemNumber to allow for longer patterns.
100 chars would be enough for most enumerations of varieties I can think of.

For the Bricklink search engine
• For matching wanted lists with store items: presume that wanted list entries
may contain a search pattern instead of a single entry. Change the SQL from ‘=’
to ‘LIKE’ wherever necessary or drop the quotes around the field. (But make sure
no malicious code may be entered through this field).

Extra
• A similar feature might be implemented to search for approximate colors
such as ‘any gray’ or ‘any green’, similar to how Studio groups the colors.

Any thoughts of whether this would be helpful for you as a seller or for you
as a buyer?

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cosmicray

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Jan 2, 2020 07:42

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A long time ago, I made a comment (possibly even a suggestion) that multiple
types of basic parts should be handled by the catalog with a virtual roll-up.
IOW, If you have type-1, type-2, type-3,and undetermined, they should all live
by themselves (in unique catalog entries), but the net effect of all of those
should also be visible under an 'umbrella' catalog entry (for lack of
a better term) that would allow a buyer who does not care about the specific
variant to see all of the specific variants virtually merged into one list. That
would give buyers the Shiite of buying the 'general' part of the 'specific
variant' part as their building needs dictate. Sellers would not be able
to list under the umbrella, but would have to pick one of the participating catalog
entries, know that regardless of which they chose, it would still sow up in the
umbrella listing.

Nita Rae

In Suggestions, hpoort writes:

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hpoort

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Jan 2, 2020 07:07

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