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 Author: popsicle View Messages Posted By popsicle
 Posted: Mar 21, 2024 11:07
 Subject: Security Concerns
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popsicle (6654)

Location:  USA, Washington
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Maybe for more focused attention by both admin and membership alike, a new forum
Topic Charter may benefit the site? To concentrate reporting, solutions, announcements
etc. Unlike most other topics, this one really benefits from expedited awareness.

So structured, black hats may also benefit I suppose?

I don't know, it's just a thought while weeding through the forum for
the newest happenings and concerns with this seemingly ongoing matter.

-popsicle
 Author: brickerking View Messages Posted By brickerking
 Posted: Mar 18, 2024 15:57
 Subject: Re: Part Dimensions in Quotes
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brickerking (1859)

Location:  Canada, Alberta
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In Suggestions, brickerking writes:
  Is there a way to enable part dimensions in quotes I have received? This is enabled
in orders I have received, but not visible in quotes as far as I can tell.

Please!
 Author: 1001bricks View Messages Posted By 1001bricks
 Posted: Mar 18, 2024 10:22
 Subject: Re: Ghost Buy feature from sellers own store
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1001bricks (52268)

Location:  France, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur
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In Suggestions, brickerking writes:

  BL's no. one priority should be marketing and developing the site for buyers
and sellers. This is a simple and obvious one that should be implemented. Making
excuses for BL - they're much too busy

You too apparently?

You're asking for BrickLink to implement a solution.

I told you there's already one existing for years which's free, work
like a charm and in a couple of clicks

Just do it your way, no problem really.
 Author: brickerking View Messages Posted By brickerking
 Posted: Mar 18, 2024 01:22
 Subject: Re: Ghost Buy feature from sellers own store
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Location:  Canada, Alberta
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In Suggestions, 1001bricks writes:
  In Suggestions, brickerking writes:
  In Suggestions, 1001bricks writes:
  
  
  It would be much easier if I could just treat it like a regular sale, so that
I could remove all the parts from my inventory in one operation and then pull
them from the drawers the way I would any other order. Maybe I'm missing
something and there's an easier way to accomplish what I want to do?

I'm bringing back old suggestions that should have been implemented years
ago, k? This one has 263 views. Would BL admins be able to reveal the yes/no
results of this one?

Just FYI, I like every week remove full lists from my shop using BrickStore,
it takes a couple of clicks:
* open your WL
* import Shop
* shop minus WL
* mass update your Shop to BrickLink.

Thanks, but i've never used BrickStore. I'm making the point that BL
should have had this functionality years ago. Why not?

Because they have other priorities?

Maybe they also know you can do it in a few clicks, so they may wish (or have
to) to concentrate on something different or more important?

BL's no. one priority should be marketing and developing the site for buyers
and sellers. This is a simple and obvious one that should be implemented. Making
excuses for BL - they're much too busy - they have so many other things to
do - is not something we as part of the BL community should do. If we pay to
use a service, we should expect it to get better and improve all the time. You
are apologizing for BL for what? Are you being paid to do this? If not, why argue
against making small improvements to the website you use every day?

Actually, please don't answer, you're probably much to busy - I wouldn't
want to bother you.
 Author: 1001bricks View Messages Posted By 1001bricks
 Posted: Mar 18, 2024 01:08
 Subject: Re: Ghost Buy feature from sellers own store
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1001bricks (52268)

Location:  France, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur
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In Suggestions, brickerking writes:
  In Suggestions, 1001bricks writes:
  
  
  It would be much easier if I could just treat it like a regular sale, so that
I could remove all the parts from my inventory in one operation and then pull
them from the drawers the way I would any other order. Maybe I'm missing
something and there's an easier way to accomplish what I want to do?

I'm bringing back old suggestions that should have been implemented years
ago, k? This one has 263 views. Would BL admins be able to reveal the yes/no
results of this one?

Just FYI, I like every week remove full lists from my shop using BrickStore,
it takes a couple of clicks:
* open your WL
* import Shop
* shop minus WL
* mass update your Shop to BrickLink.

Thanks, but i've never used BrickStore. I'm making the point that BL
should have had this functionality years ago. Why not?

Because they have other priorities?

Maybe they also know you can do it in a few clicks, so they may wish (or have
to) to concentrate on something different or more important?
 Author: brickerking View Messages Posted By brickerking
 Posted: Mar 17, 2024 23:33
 Subject: Re: Ghost Buy feature from sellers own store
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Location:  Canada, Alberta
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In Suggestions, 1001bricks writes:
  
  
  It would be much easier if I could just treat it like a regular sale, so that
I could remove all the parts from my inventory in one operation and then pull
them from the drawers the way I would any other order. Maybe I'm missing
something and there's an easier way to accomplish what I want to do?

I'm bringing back old suggestions that should have been implemented years
ago, k? This one has 263 views. Would BL admins be able to reveal the yes/no
results of this one?

Just FYI, I like every week remove full lists from my shop using BrickStore,
it takes a couple of clicks:
* open your WL
* import Shop
* shop minus WL
* mass update your Shop to BrickLink.

Thanks, but i've never used BrickStore. I'm making the point that BL
should have had this functionality years ago. Why not?
 Author: 1001bricks View Messages Posted By 1001bricks
 Posted: Mar 17, 2024 23:19
 Subject: Re: Ghost Buy feature from sellers own store
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1001bricks (52268)

Location:  France, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur
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Store: 1001bricks
  
  It would be much easier if I could just treat it like a regular sale, so that
I could remove all the parts from my inventory in one operation and then pull
them from the drawers the way I would any other order. Maybe I'm missing
something and there's an easier way to accomplish what I want to do?

I'm bringing back old suggestions that should have been implemented years
ago, k? This one has 263 views. Would BL admins be able to reveal the yes/no
results of this one?

Just FYI, I like every week remove full lists from my shop using BrickStore,
it takes a couple of clicks:
* open your WL
* import Shop
* shop minus WL
* mass update your Shop to BrickLink.
 Author: brickerking View Messages Posted By brickerking
 Posted: Mar 17, 2024 23:14
 Subject: Re: Ghost Buy feature from sellers own store
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Location:  Canada, Alberta
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In Suggestions, mgiglio writes:
  It would be great if I could make purchases from my own store, in a ghost mode
that doesn't allow for feedback and doesn't charge fees.

Often when I'm restoring a batch of used sets, I have a wanted list for each
one of them to figure out what I'm missing. Then, once I go through my unlisted
bulk LEGO, I find that have parts in my store that I need to complete these sets.
The only way I can figure to get those parts is to use the inventory search tool
to select items on my wanted list, pull them from my drawers, and then adjust
my inventory quantities appropriately for each item.

It would be much easier if I could just treat it like a regular sale, so that
I could remove all the parts from my inventory in one operation and then pull
them from the drawers the way I would any other order. Maybe I'm missing
something and there's an easier way to accomplish what I want to do?

I'm bringing back old suggestions that should have been implemented years
ago, k? This one has 263 views. Would BL admins be able to reveal the yes/no
results of this one?
 Author: sunspot View Messages Posted By sunspot
 Posted: Mar 17, 2024 16:17
 Subject: date range option on color guide
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sunspot (18)

Location:  USA, Virginia
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The color guide is very cool and useful. I would find it even more useful if
the user could select the starting date (or ending date, perhaps). That way,
I could better understand how many parts are available in different colors *now*
(or in the last 5 years, or last 10 years, etc.). If making it selectable is
difficult, even just a single other option (say, going back 10 years from the
present) would be useful. Thanks for considering.
 Author: jummy0 View Messages Posted By jummy0
 Posted: Mar 16, 2024 17:01
 Subject: Add per-item Remarks to My Collection
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jummy0 (4)

Location:  USA, Iowa
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I'd like to write remarks about items in My Collection, particularly to specify
which parts are missing from a "Used, Incomplete" minifig, and to identify
third-party parts. Wanted Lists already have this feature, but serve a different
purpose.
 Author: popsicle View Messages Posted By popsicle
 Posted: Mar 16, 2024 13:07
 Subject: Re: Require 1 Feedback to Post in Forums
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popsicle (6654)

Location:  USA, Washington
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Store: ConstrucToys
In Suggestions, 1001bricks writes:
  In Suggestions, BrickDeals writes:
  Spam by new accounts promoting drugs etc seems to be a recurring problem.

Voted No, explained why a couple of times.

I would better limit total number of posts to the total rate of the Feedback
Profile!

This way SylvainLS wouldn't be able to post anymore hee hee
https://www.bricklink.com/feedback.asp?u=SylvainLS

Deviously clever

But you'd soon miss him and want the policy reversed along with many others
 Author: 1001bricks View Messages Posted By 1001bricks
 Posted: Mar 16, 2024 13:01
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1001bricks (52268)

Location:  France, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur
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Store: 1001bricks
In Suggestions, BrickDeals writes:
  Spam by new accounts promoting drugs etc seems to be a recurring problem.

Voted No, explained why a couple of times.

I would better limit total number of posts to the total rate of the Feedback
Profile!

This way SylvainLS wouldn't be able to post anymore hee hee
https://www.bricklink.com/feedback.asp?u=SylvainLS
 Author: popsicle View Messages Posted By popsicle
 Posted: Mar 16, 2024 09:33
 Subject: Re: Require 1 Feedback to Post in Forums
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Location:  USA, Washington
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Store: ConstrucToys
In Suggestions, BrickDeals writes:
  Spam by new accounts promoting drugs etc seems to be a recurring problem.

I suggest that a feedback rating of 1 or higher be required to post in the forums,
or new accounts could be prevented from creating a new thread for 30 days.

Sounds like solid and simple solution, except for as others have mentioned; the
whole newbie needing help, factor.

Spam has never really bothered me here in the forum, you just kinda roll past
it. But it would be a good thing to keep it away. How about restricting the ability
to use links within posts for zero feedback members, or something along those
lines?

-popsicle
 Author: zorbanj View Messages Posted By zorbanj
 Posted: Mar 16, 2024 07:27
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zorbanj (805)

Location:  USA, New Jersey
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Store: ZorbaNJ's Bricks
In Suggestions, BrickDeals writes:
  Spam by new accounts promoting drugs etc seems to be a recurring problem.

I suggest that a feedback rating of 1 or higher be required to post in the forums,
or new accounts could be prevented from creating a new thread for 30 days.

Voted No. I'd rather deal with a little spam than not help new users with
questions. Bricklink is not the easiest site to use, especially if you're
new.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Mar 16, 2024 07:26
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yorbrick (1182)

Location:  United Kingdom, England
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Store: Yorbricks
  Gummie posts barely hit my radar. I do see them sometimes. I go right by.

Yes. Just report and they quickly vanish if you auto hide cancelled posts. People
that feel the need to reply to them are a bigger problem, so they get added to
the ignore list.
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
 Posted: Mar 16, 2024 06:57
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Location:  USA, Oklahoma
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In Suggestions, kittybrickz writes:
  Im super grateful that I didn't need feedback before posting. There are so
many users on here with tremendous encyclopedic knowledge that provide valuable
support from years of experience.

This. There are plenty of new buyers who need help before their first sale, but
there are MANY, MANY more potential future buyers who come just to ask questions
about LEGO.

  I can ignore some spammers. Much love, and have an epic day!

Gummie posts barely hit my radar. I do see them sometimes. I go right by.
 Author: kittybrickz View Messages Posted By kittybrickz
 Posted: Mar 16, 2024 03:24
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Location:  Canada, British Columbia
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In Suggestions, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Suggestions, BrickDeals writes:
  Spam by new accounts promoting drugs etc seems to be a recurring problem.

I suggest that a feedback rating of 1 or higher be required to post in the forums,
or new accounts could be prevented from creating a new thread for 30 days.

If limited to those with feedback it will turn away many users why are looking
for help and if putting a limit on how many days before they can post wouldn’t
help as then the spammers would simply lets accounts sit for however long before
using them

Im super grateful that I didn't need feedback before posting. There are so
many users on here with tremendous encyclopedic knowledge that provide valuable
support from years of experience.

I can ignore some spammers. Much love, and have an epic day!
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
 Posted: Mar 16, 2024 02:54
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Location:  Canada, Ontario
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In Suggestions, BrickDeals writes:
  Spam by new accounts promoting drugs etc seems to be a recurring problem.

I suggest that a feedback rating of 1 or higher be required to post in the forums,
or new accounts could be prevented from creating a new thread for 30 days.

If limited to those with feedback it will turn away many users why are looking
for help and if putting a limit on how many days before they can post wouldn’t
help as then the spammers would simply lets accounts sit for however long before
using them
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Mar 16, 2024 02:49
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yorbrick (1182)

Location:  United Kingdom, England
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In Suggestions, BrickDeals writes:
  Spam by new accounts promoting drugs etc seems to be a recurring problem.

I suggest that a feedback rating of 1 or higher be required to post in the forums,
or new accounts could be prevented from creating a new thread for 30 days.

So new users with issues are banned from getting help?
 Author: ErwinNL View Messages Posted By ErwinNL
 Posted: Mar 16, 2024 02:42
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Location:  Netherlands, Overijssel
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Store: TheBug
In Suggestions, BrickDeals writes:
  Spam by new accounts promoting drugs etc seems to be a recurring problem.

I suggest that a feedback rating of 1 or higher be required to post in the forums,
or new accounts could be prevented from creating a new thread for 30 days.

I agree somewhat but see an issue where new buyers with questions are blocked
by this.

A solution might be a captcha (only for your first post) or account activation
per email.
 Author: BrickDeals View Messages Posted By BrickDeals
 Posted: Mar 16, 2024 02:10
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BrickDeals (2779)

Location:  USA, Virginia
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Spam by new accounts promoting drugs etc seems to be a recurring problem.

I suggest that a feedback rating of 1 or higher be required to post in the forums,
or new accounts could be prevented from creating a new thread for 30 days.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Mar 12, 2024 16:38
 Subject: Re: Feedback. Negative and Neutral impact.
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Location:  United Kingdom, England
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Store: Yorbricks
In Suggestions, zorbanj writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  
  
Currently, if Store A has 90 positives and 10 neutrals and Store B has 90 positives
and 10 negatives, the feedback percentage is the same for both. This is misleading.

What is misleading about it? They both have 10 non positive feedback out of 100,
so there is the warning from the percentage praise that the buyer should check
the feedback.

It is misleading because the neutrals are treated the same as the negatives and
they are not the same.

They aren't being treated as the same. A store with 90 positives and 10 neutrals
has a score of 90 with a percentage praise of 90%. A store with 90 positives
and 10 negatives has a score of 80 with a percentage praise of 90%. Both have
10 non-positive feedback, hence the percentage praise acting as warning to a
buyer to check why this is by looking at the feedback.


  
  As mentioned before, it really comes down to what the percentage praise is for.
In my view, it is there to give a potential buyer a quick impression of how much
of the feedback is not positive and not as an ego rating.

Under the "neutrals shouldn't count" view, all these stores would
have 100 feedback at 100%. If a buyer buys from a store with 100% feedback they
would probably assume that there is no need to check the feedback as it is 100%.

Bad assumption. A buyer should always check the feedback page.

  I'd prefer no percentage rating
at all, rather than a dodgy calculation that shows 100% in such circumstances.

The calculation is dodgy now.

  At least with no percentage, there is no false impression that the store doesn't
have issues when in some cases there might be.

The current calculation gives a false impression that performance is worse than
it is.

It doesn't though. It tells a potential buyer how many (as a percentage)
buyers that leave feedback leave the store positive feedback.

  
  Obviously some sellers are unhappy because they think their store is damaged
by an unwarranted neutral feedback, but I really don't think that is the
case. The percentage praise is essentially a quick reminder to check feedback,
not necessarily to leave the store. And to me, it is better to have an effective
warning system for buyers to use when looking at a store rather than an ego protection
system for sellers. That is, I see neutrals as not good service rather than seeing
them as not terrible service.

All well and good, but you cannot treat a neutral as a stand in for a negative,
which is what is being done now. Go ahead buyer, leave neutral feedback because
the transaction didn't warrant a negative, but we're going to tally it
up as a negative anyway.

It isn't treating a neutral as a negative. It is treating them both as not
positive.
 Author: 1001bricks View Messages Posted By 1001bricks
 Posted: Mar 12, 2024 15:51
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Location:  France, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur
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In Suggestions, SRvanKlink writes:
  Walking through the Instant Checkout process in your shop brings me as far as
'Credit/Debit via Stripe'. No sign of Ideal of Giropay, I can't see
beyond that point without placing the order.


As said in PM with FamilyBuild, you CAN define new and other payment methods
in Stripe (I tried) - like Alipay or Apple Pay, IDEAL, but as BrickLink only
requests/authorize VISA payments, those other payment methods are simply ignored
here.
 Author: SRvanKlink View Messages Posted By SRvanKlink
 Posted: Mar 12, 2024 15:43
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SRvanKlink (1273)

Location:  Netherlands, Zuid-Holland
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Walking through the Instant Checkout process in your shop brings me as far as
'Credit/Debit via Stripe'. No sign of Ideal of Giropay, I can't see
beyond that point without placing the order.
 Author: zorbanj View Messages Posted By zorbanj
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Location:  USA, New Jersey
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In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  
  
Currently, if Store A has 90 positives and 10 neutrals and Store B has 90 positives
and 10 negatives, the feedback percentage is the same for both. This is misleading.

What is misleading about it? They both have 10 non positive feedback out of 100,
so there is the warning from the percentage praise that the buyer should check
the feedback.

It is misleading because the neutrals are treated the same as the negatives and
they are not the same.


  As mentioned before, it really comes down to what the percentage praise is for.
In my view, it is there to give a potential buyer a quick impression of how much
of the feedback is not positive and not as an ego rating.

Under the "neutrals shouldn't count" view, all these stores would
have 100 feedback at 100%. If a buyer buys from a store with 100% feedback they
would probably assume that there is no need to check the feedback as it is 100%.

Bad assumption. A buyer should always check the feedback page.

  I'd prefer no percentage rating
at all, rather than a dodgy calculation that shows 100% in such circumstances.

The calculation is dodgy now.

  At least with no percentage, there is no false impression that the store doesn't
have issues when in some cases there might be.

The current calculation gives a false impression that performance is worse than
it is.

  Obviously some sellers are unhappy because they think their store is damaged
by an unwarranted neutral feedback, but I really don't think that is the
case. The percentage praise is essentially a quick reminder to check feedback,
not necessarily to leave the store. And to me, it is better to have an effective
warning system for buyers to use when looking at a store rather than an ego protection
system for sellers. That is, I see neutrals as not good service rather than seeing
them as not terrible service.

All well and good, but you cannot treat a neutral as a stand in for a negative,
which is what is being done now. Go ahead buyer, leave neutral feedback because
the transaction didn't warrant a negative, but we're going to tally it
up as a negative anyway.

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