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 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
 Posted: May 21, 2020 16:36
 Subject: Re: Is dual color mold really decorated?
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In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
  Should dual molded legs or arms in their respective assemblies really be considered
as decorated?
To me BL considered the decorated as by means of printing or applying decoration
using stickers.

example
 
Part No: 970c00pb0970  Name: Hips and Legs with Molded Dark Orange Lower Legs / Boots  Pattern
* 
970c00pb0970 Hips and Legs with Molded Dark Orange Lower Legs / Boots Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Legs, Decorated

the reasoning is, how is that any different from legs assembly with single color
legs but different color hips or mismatched leg colors?
 
Part No: 970d46  Name: Hips and 1 Medium Azure Left Leg, 1 Bright Light Orange Right Leg
* 
970d46 (Inv) Hips and 1 Medium Azure Left Leg, 1 Bright Light Orange Right Leg
Parts: Minifigure, Legs

I feel the same way about dual molded arms
 
Part No: 973c83  Name: Torso Plain / Yellow Arms with Molded Green Short Sleeves Pattern / Yellow Hands
* 
973c83 (Inv) Torso Plain / Yellow Arms with Molded Green Short Sleeves Pattern / Yellow Hands
Parts: Minifigure, Torso Assembly, Decor.

There are reasons for not separating them, mainly for new buyers not knowing
or caring about the difference or just the general way of looking at it, but
I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.

Any thoughts?

Miro

I support the change. Also the pics you posted are lovely.
 Author: Miro78 View Messages Posted By Miro78
 Posted: May 21, 2020 16:20
 Subject: Re: Is dual color mold really decorated?
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In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
  I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.

There are no real definitions for a number of things and we're working right
now to change that.

As for dual-molded parts, I would say that the appearance of the part
is what is important. If a part appears to have a pattern, then BrickLink should
probably treat it as a patterned part regardless of the production method.

This is because when anyone is looking for an item, I imagine they would want
a clean distinction between plain parts and multicolored or patterned parts.
That's not to say we couldn't distinguish dual-molded parts in some
way, either with titles or item numbers. For example, we already distinguish
patterned parts that have stickers using the part title.

Oddly enough, at least for some patterned parts where the production is with
molding, we don't identify the part as a patterned part:

 
Part No: 30566  Name: Tile, Modified 6 x 6 x 2/3 with 4 Studs and Debossed Star Wars Logo
* 
30566 Tile, Modified 6 x 6 x 2/3 with 4 Studs and Debossed Star Wars Logo
Parts: Tile, Modified

But sometimes we do:

 
Part No: bb0007c01pb01  Name: Electric, Motor 4.5V Type A 12 x 4 x 4 (Train) with Engraved '4,5 VOLT' Pattern
* 
bb0007c01pb01 Electric, Motor 4.5V Type A 12 x 4 x 4 (Train) with Engraved '4,5 VOLT' Pattern
Parts: Electric, Motor

Which makes me wonder what the catalog means when it uses the word "embossed:"

 
Part No: 3010pb036e  Name: Brick 1 x 4 with Car Grille Black Pattern (Embossed Print)
* 
3010pb036e Brick 1 x 4 with Car Grille Black Pattern (Embossed Print)
Parts: Brick, Decorated

Anyway, there's still a lot to clean up all across the catalog. The first
step is enacting solid guidelines. Right now we're working on these two
pages and would greatly appreciate input before they become official in 11 (or
fewer) days:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2479

The dual-molding issue will have to wait until we get to a catalog page that
would address it.

I would certainly like dual-molded differentiated from printed or stickered.
The additional wrinkle is there is no way of knowing when a part is dual-molded
or not.

For example these legs
 
Part No: 92253c00pb01  Name: Mini Doll Hips and Trousers with Back Pockets with Tan Shoes Pattern - Thick Hinge
* 
92253c00pb01 Mini Doll Hips and Trousers with Back Pockets with Tan Shoes Pattern - Thick Hinge
Parts: Mini Doll, Legs
come in dual molded and printed version of the shoes, but BL did not implement
the differentiation even though I brought it up in the past. The quality is vastly
different and hence why Lego decided to start doing dual molding of minifig/minidoll
parts

Miro

Hey look at that. I found my post about this from 70 months ago.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=851619

Miro
 Author: Stellar View Messages Posted By Stellar
 Posted: May 21, 2020 16:04
 Subject: Re: Is dual color mold really decorated?
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In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
  I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.

There are no real definitions for a number of things and we're working right
now to change that.

As for dual-molded parts, I would say that the appearance of the part
is what is important. If a part appears to have a pattern, then BrickLink should
probably treat it as a patterned part regardless of the production method.

This is because when anyone is looking for an item, I imagine they would want
a clean distinction between plain parts and multicolored or patterned parts.
That's not to say we couldn't distinguish dual-molded parts in some
way, either with titles or item numbers. For example, we already distinguish
patterned parts that have stickers using the part title.

Oddly enough, at least for some patterned parts where the production is with
molding, we don't identify the part as a patterned part:

 
Part No: 30566  Name: Tile, Modified 6 x 6 x 2/3 with 4 Studs and Debossed Star Wars Logo
* 
30566 Tile, Modified 6 x 6 x 2/3 with 4 Studs and Debossed Star Wars Logo
Parts: Tile, Modified

But sometimes we do:

 
Part No: bb0007c01pb01  Name: Electric, Motor 4.5V Type A 12 x 4 x 4 (Train) with Engraved '4,5 VOLT' Pattern
* 
bb0007c01pb01 Electric, Motor 4.5V Type A 12 x 4 x 4 (Train) with Engraved '4,5 VOLT' Pattern
Parts: Electric, Motor

Which makes me wonder what the catalog means when it uses the word "embossed:"

 
Part No: 3010pb036e  Name: Brick 1 x 4 with Car Grille Black Pattern (Embossed Print)
* 
3010pb036e Brick 1 x 4 with Car Grille Black Pattern (Embossed Print)
Parts: Brick, Decorated

Anyway, there's still a lot to clean up all across the catalog. The first
step is enacting solid guidelines. Right now we're working on these two
pages and would greatly appreciate input before they become official in 11 (or
fewer) days:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2479

The dual-molding issue will have to wait until we get to a catalog page that
would address it.

I would certainly like dual-molded differentiated from printed or stickered.
The additional wrinkle is there is no way of knowing when a part is dual-molded
or not.

For example these legs
 
Part No: 92253c00pb01  Name: Mini Doll Hips and Trousers with Back Pockets with Tan Shoes Pattern - Thick Hinge
* 
92253c00pb01 Mini Doll Hips and Trousers with Back Pockets with Tan Shoes Pattern - Thick Hinge
Parts: Mini Doll, Legs
come in dual molded and printed version of the shoes, but BL did not implement
the differentiation even though I brought it up in the past. The quality is vastly
different and hence why Lego decided to start doing dual molding of minifig/minidoll
parts

Miro

I would like to see dual-molded parts differentiated too, maybe a new suffix
needs to be created... Maybe Stormchaser has already thought about some options?
 Author: Miro78 View Messages Posted By Miro78
 Posted: May 21, 2020 15:35
 Subject: Re: Is dual color mold really decorated?
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In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  
  As for dual-molded parts, I would say that the appearance of the part
is what is important. If a part appears to have a pattern, then BrickLink should
probably treat it as a patterned part regardless of the production method.

This is because when anyone is looking for an item, I imagine they would want
a clean distinction between plain parts and multicolored or patterned parts.
That's not to say we couldn't distinguish dual-molded parts in some
way, either with titles or item numbers. For example, we already distinguish
patterned parts that have stickers using the part title.


  The dual-molding issue will have to wait until we get to a catalog page that
would address it.

I don't care either way, but it would be very useful to know which legs are
dual molded (and so have the correct colours on the back of the legs) vs those
that are printed (and so have a single colour on the backs).

I agree. Not to mention those that want to remove the decoration for their customization
or whatever purpose will not be able to do so with the dual-molded version.

Miro
 Author: Miro78 View Messages Posted By Miro78
 Posted: May 21, 2020 15:33
 Subject: Re: Is dual color mold really decorated?
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
  I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.

There are no real definitions for a number of things and we're working right
now to change that.

As for dual-molded parts, I would say that the appearance of the part
is what is important. If a part appears to have a pattern, then BrickLink should
probably treat it as a patterned part regardless of the production method.

This is because when anyone is looking for an item, I imagine they would want
a clean distinction between plain parts and multicolored or patterned parts.
That's not to say we couldn't distinguish dual-molded parts in some
way, either with titles or item numbers. For example, we already distinguish
patterned parts that have stickers using the part title.

Oddly enough, at least for some patterned parts where the production is with
molding, we don't identify the part as a patterned part:

 
Part No: 30566  Name: Tile, Modified 6 x 6 x 2/3 with 4 Studs and Debossed Star Wars Logo
* 
30566 Tile, Modified 6 x 6 x 2/3 with 4 Studs and Debossed Star Wars Logo
Parts: Tile, Modified

But sometimes we do:

 
Part No: bb0007c01pb01  Name: Electric, Motor 4.5V Type A 12 x 4 x 4 (Train) with Engraved '4,5 VOLT' Pattern
* 
bb0007c01pb01 Electric, Motor 4.5V Type A 12 x 4 x 4 (Train) with Engraved '4,5 VOLT' Pattern
Parts: Electric, Motor

Which makes me wonder what the catalog means when it uses the word "embossed:"

 
Part No: 3010pb036e  Name: Brick 1 x 4 with Car Grille Black Pattern (Embossed Print)
* 
3010pb036e Brick 1 x 4 with Car Grille Black Pattern (Embossed Print)
Parts: Brick, Decorated

Anyway, there's still a lot to clean up all across the catalog. The first
step is enacting solid guidelines. Right now we're working on these two
pages and would greatly appreciate input before they become official in 11 (or
fewer) days:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2479

The dual-molding issue will have to wait until we get to a catalog page that
would address it.

I would certainly like dual-molded differentiated from printed or stickered.
The additional wrinkle is there is no way of knowing when a part is dual-molded
or not.

For example these legs
 
Part No: 92253c00pb01  Name: Mini Doll Hips and Trousers with Back Pockets with Tan Shoes Pattern - Thick Hinge
* 
92253c00pb01 Mini Doll Hips and Trousers with Back Pockets with Tan Shoes Pattern - Thick Hinge
Parts: Mini Doll, Legs
come in dual molded and printed version of the shoes, but BL did not implement
the differentiation even though I brought it up in the past. The quality is vastly
different and hence why Lego decided to start doing dual molding of minifig/minidoll
parts

Miro

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