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 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: May 15, 2020 10:21
 Subject: Re: White sheep problem
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In Catalog, Soviet writes:
  What to do, I wonder?

Send in the new sheep and we'll figure out a title for it.
 Author: Soviet View Messages Posted By Soviet
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Hey, I'm trying to help with the 21159 set, but it would be my first inventory
job, so I'm hitting a block early on.

It looks like the set has one of those:

 
Part No: minesheep04  Name: Minecraft Sheep, Red, Sheared - Brick Built
* 
minesheep04 (Inv) Minecraft Sheep, Red, Sheared - Brick Built
Parts: Animal, Land

but in white. Meanwhile, the name "Minecraft Sheep, White - Brick Built" is already
taken by:

 
Part No: minesheep01  Name: Minecraft Sheep, White, Plate 2 x 2 on Back - Brick Built
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minesheep01 (Inv) Minecraft Sheep, White, Plate 2 x 2 on Back - Brick Built
Parts: Animal, Land

which has a different build (plates instead of brick). What to do, I wonder?
 Author: enig View Messages Posted By enig
 Posted: May 13, 2020 17:22
 Subject: Re: 2555 - even more variants
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enig (6342)

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In Catalog, edeevo writes:
  In Catalog, enig writes:
  Happy day The time that is spent differentiating between mold variants is
certainly not worth it money-wise, but worth it in other ways.

A customer purchased some classic 2555's. Apparently we still sent two different
variants to him. Sure, most of the older parts have various mini-differences,
just never thought anyone would actually care about getting a specific variant.
Either way, I was not aware of this particular difference.

Our customer described it as 'The wider ones and the narrower ones' and
sent us a picture, circling the different variants. A bit hard to see, I am attaching
one more.

The difference itself is in the sharpness of the outside/inside edges - the very
tops the clips. Principally kind of similar to the difference between classic
and modern 2555, except much more subtle. Difficult to judge if looking at the
edge itself, but becomes easy when comparing from the top view. At least when
you have two pieces to compare

The left one has, call it, completely sharp edge. The right one has a slight
roundness to it. That rounding comes at a cost of reducing the top surface area
of the clip.

Complete list of the differences between the two:

The 'flat top' type:
* Sharper edge / bigger top surface area of the clip
* mold pip on a side
* now looking from yet another side, the sidewall of the clip is completely straight
in all dimensions - does not get narrower towards the top and forms a straight
rectangle (the last picture)

The 'slightly slightly rounded top'
* Slightly rounded top edge of the clip, reduced flat surface area of the top
* mold pip at the bottom
* sidewall is of slightly concave shape - forms a trapezoid

Some more differences, but only concerns the construction of the mold and the
ejection pins placement.


Question(s).
1 - How many of you have/have not noticed this particular difference before?
Curious.

2 - any other different classic 2555s than these two?

I'd say it's pretty commonly known; the squared-top kind are the older
type, whereas the rounded-top kind are newer (the catalog entry has a note indicating
the difference)...

I actually keep the two types separated in my inventory in anticipation of a
new entry for each--which will likely never happen--but having each type
together really helps me to give a Buyer the same type whenever they buy any.


Life is Good.
~Ed.

Yeah that's how my employee was looking at this too. We nearly got into an
actual argument over this haha.

It's not the BL described difference that I am talking about. The key part
addressing this in the OP is:

The difference itself is in the sharpness of the outside/inside edges - the
very tops the clips. Principally kind of similar to the difference between classic
and modern 2555, except much more subtle.


Will get back to this tomorrow I guess, with more pictures comparing these to
the newer 2555s.
 Author: edeevo View Messages Posted By edeevo
 Posted: May 13, 2020 17:05
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In Catalog, enig writes:
  Happy day The time that is spent differentiating between mold variants is
certainly not worth it money-wise, but worth it in other ways.

A customer purchased some classic 2555's. Apparently we still sent two different
variants to him. Sure, most of the older parts have various mini-differences,
just never thought anyone would actually care about getting a specific variant.
Either way, I was not aware of this particular difference.

Our customer described it as 'The wider ones and the narrower ones' and
sent us a picture, circling the different variants. A bit hard to see, I am attaching
one more.

The difference itself is in the sharpness of the outside/inside edges - the very
tops the clips. Principally kind of similar to the difference between classic
and modern 2555, except much more subtle. Difficult to judge if looking at the
edge itself, but becomes easy when comparing from the top view. At least when
you have two pieces to compare

The left one has, call it, completely sharp edge. The right one has a slight
roundness to it. That rounding comes at a cost of reducing the top surface area
of the clip.

Complete list of the differences between the two:

The 'flat top' type:
* Sharper edge / bigger top surface area of the clip
* mold pip on a side
* now looking from yet another side, the sidewall of the clip is completely straight
in all dimensions - does not get narrower towards the top and forms a straight
rectangle (the last picture)

The 'slightly slightly rounded top'
* Slightly rounded top edge of the clip, reduced flat surface area of the top
* mold pip at the bottom
* sidewall is of slightly concave shape - forms a trapezoid

Some more differences, but only concerns the construction of the mold and the
ejection pins placement.


Question(s).
1 - How many of you have/have not noticed this particular difference before?
Curious.

2 - any other different classic 2555s than these two?

I'd say it's pretty commonly known; the squared-top kind are the older
type, whereas the rounded-top kind are newer (the catalog entry has a note indicating
the difference)...

I actually keep the two types separated in my inventory in anticipation of a
new entry for each--which will likely never happen--but having each type
together really helps me to give a Buyer the same type whenever they buy any.


Life is Good.
~Ed.
 
 Author: James2506 View Messages Posted By James2506
 Posted: May 13, 2020 16:47
 Subject: Re: Why oh why Batman Sh016b
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Thanks!

I built myself an Sh016b today using spare parts from my other figures so your
method has its benefits - i dont have to keep buying new sets - although i do
own the SDCC Gotham Skyline set - just refuse to open it.

James

In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
  In Catalog, James2506 writes:
  So in the coming summer sets for DC Batman we are getting another black Sh016
batman but a new cape (very cool looking glide cape) - so we should expect Sh016c
in the Penguin Boat Chase.

In set 75168 will be new number for Batman as cape has totally different shape
so this will be Batman assembly with new part not being varian of previous capes
This cape isn't a varian to capes
 
Part No: 56630  Name: Minifigure Cape Cloth with Top Holes and Scalloped 5 Points Bottom (Batman), Long, Circle Neck Cut - Traditional Starched Fabric
* 
56630 Minifigure Cape Cloth with Top Holes and Scalloped 5 Points Bottom (Batman), Long, Circle Neck Cut - Traditional Starched Fabric
Parts: Minifigure, Body Wear {Black}
and
[p=56630b,11]
and
 
Part No: 19185  Name: Minifigure Cape Cloth with Top Holes and Scalloped 5 Points Bottom (Batman), Long, Circle Neck Cut - Spongy Stretchable Fabric
* 
19185 Minifigure Cape Cloth with Top Holes and Scalloped 5 Points Bottom (Batman), Long, Circle Neck Cut - Spongy Stretchable Fabric
Parts: Minifigure, Body Wear {Black}
New part in assembly not part variant so new number not a, b or c


  We are also getting another dark grey batman with
gold outline belt with the same new cape so he should get Sh589a in the Mobile
Bat Base and Joker Trike Chase. Interestingly they are releasing these with
3 capes in each set so are we going to get 3 variants in a single set!!!! Oh
my head hurts.

For other two Batman sets policy is clear only one minfig can be accepted in
assembly as showed firstly in building instruction. So when minfig has in alternates
for it assembly only fisrt showed version in instruction is approved.
For example
 
Minifig No: sw0931  Name: Poe Dameron (Pilot Jumpsuit, Hair Swept Left Tousled)
* 
sw0931 (Inv) Poe Dameron (Pilot Jumpsuit, Hair Swept Left Tousled)
Minifigures: Star Wars: Star Wars Episode 7
in set
 
Set No: 75273  Name: Poe Dameron's X-wing Fighter
* 
75273-1 (Inv) Poe Dameron's X-wing Fighter
744 Parts, 4 Minifigures, 2020
Sets: Star Wars: Star Wars Episode 9
can be with hair or helmet.
but in instruction
https://www.lego.com/biassets/bi/6310759.pdf
it is firstly showed assembled with hair then with helmet
so only with hair is being accepted for this set, we don't crate second entry
with helmet.
 Author: enig View Messages Posted By enig
 Posted: May 13, 2020 16:26
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Happy day The time that is spent differentiating between mold variants is
certainly not worth it money-wise, but worth it in other ways.

A customer purchased some classic 2555's. Apparently we still sent two different
variants to him. Sure, most of the older parts have various mini-differences,
just never thought anyone would actually care about getting a specific variant.
Either way, I was not aware of this particular difference.

Our customer described it as 'The wider ones and the narrower ones' and
sent us a picture, circling the different variants. A bit hard to see, I am attaching
one more.

The difference itself is in the sharpness of the outside/inside edges - the very
tops the clips. Principally kind of similar to the difference between classic
and modern 2555, except much more subtle. Difficult to judge if looking at the
edge itself, but becomes easy when comparing from the top view. At least when
you have two pieces to compare

The left one has, call it, completely sharp edge. The right one has a slight
roundness to it. That rounding comes at a cost of reducing the top surface area
of the clip.

Complete list of the differences between the two:

The 'flat top' type:
* Sharper edge / bigger top surface area of the clip
* mold pip on a side
* now looking from yet another side, the sidewall of the clip is completely straight
in all dimensions - does not get narrower towards the top and forms a straight
rectangle (the last picture)

The 'slightly slightly rounded top'
* Slightly rounded top edge of the clip, reduced flat surface area of the top
* mold pip at the bottom
* sidewall is of slightly concave shape - forms a trapezoid

Some more differences, but only concerns the construction of the mold and the
ejection pins placement.


Question(s).
1 - How many of you have/have not noticed this particular difference before?
Curious.

2 - any other different classic 2555s than these two?
 




 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: May 13, 2020 16:19
 Subject: Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts P - R
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  I don't think the definitions should be so focussed.

I've modified the Propeller definition to this:

For items with circularly-spinning blades, including accessories and component
parts.


 
Part No: 30194  Name: Minifigure, Utensil Tool Circular Blade Saw
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30194 Minifigure, Utensil Tool Circular Blade Saw
Parts: Minifigure, Utensil

 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
 Posted: May 13, 2020 15:06
 Subject: Re: Category Definitions Discussion - Parts V-
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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  In Catalog, bje writes:
  […]
Wheel - For items that is a solid disk or a rigid circular ring connected
by spokes to a hub, designed to turn, which may or may not fit tire and tread.

Hmm, those are wheels:

 
Part No: 874  Name: Vehicle, Tractor Chassis Steering Wheel
* 
874 Vehicle, Tractor Chassis Steering Wheel
Parts: Vehicle
 
Part No: 3736  Name: Technic, Steering Pulley Large
* 
3736 Technic, Steering Pulley Large
Parts: Technic, Steering
 
Part No: 2741  Name: Technic, Steering Wheel Large
* 
2741 Technic, Steering Wheel Large
Parts: Technic, Steering
 
Part No: 2819  Name: Technic, Steering Wheel Small, 3 Studs Diameter
* 
2819 Technic, Steering Wheel Small, 3 Studs Diameter
Parts: Technic, Steering
 
Part No: 30633  Name: Windscreen 4 x 6 x 4 Canopy with Hinge
* 
30633 Windscreen 4 x 6 x 4 Canopy with Hinge
Parts: Windscreen

and fit your description but I’m not sure we’d want them in the Wheel category


Me neither, Let me sleep on it though
  

snip

  
Dang. No one ever agree with anyone, not even lexicologists.

(French “véhicule” (the etymon) admits the “extended” usages.)

And in Afrikaans (voertuig) any mobile machine used for transport.... which can
makes things easier or more difficult

  
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: May 13, 2020 14:28
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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  […]

 
Part No: 30663  Name: Vehicle, Steering Wheel Small, 2 Studs Diameter
* 
30663 Vehicle, Steering Wheel Small, 2 Studs Diameter
Parts: Vehicle

not 30633
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In Catalog, bje writes:
  […]
Wheel - For items that is a solid disk or a rigid circular ring connected
by spokes to a hub, designed to turn, which may or may not fit tire and tread.

Hmm, those are wheels:

 
Part No: 874  Name: Vehicle, Tractor Chassis Steering Wheel
* 
874 Vehicle, Tractor Chassis Steering Wheel
Parts: Vehicle
 
Part No: 3736  Name: Technic, Steering Pulley Large
* 
3736 Technic, Steering Pulley Large
Parts: Technic, Steering
 
Part No: 2741  Name: Technic, Steering Wheel Large
* 
2741 Technic, Steering Wheel Large
Parts: Technic, Steering
 
Part No: 2819  Name: Technic, Steering Wheel Small, 3 Studs Diameter
* 
2819 Technic, Steering Wheel Small, 3 Studs Diameter
Parts: Technic, Steering
 
Part No: 30633  Name: Windscreen 4 x 6 x 4 Canopy with Hinge
* 
30633 Windscreen 4 x 6 x 4 Canopy with Hinge
Parts: Windscreen

and fit your description but I’m not sure we’d want them in the Wheel category


  
  
  […]
2. A vehicle is by definition only something with wheels for land transport.
Consider rather moving the aircraft section out.

By which definition?

A vehicle is a means of transporting, carrying, something or someone. I don’t
see anything preventing vehicle to be used for aircrafts or boats.

Indeed, this is from WP ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle ):
“A vehicle (from Latin: vehiculum[1]) is a machine that transports people or
cargo. Vehicles include wagons, bicycles, motor vehicles (motorcycles, cars,
trucks, buses), railed vehicles (trains, trams), watercraft (ships, boats), amphibious
vehicles (screw-propelled vehicle, hovercraft), aircraft (airplanes, helicopters)
and spacecraft.[2]”
The references are [1] OED and [2] MacMillan Contemporary Dictionary.

Vehicle noun (MACHINE)
B1 [ C ] formal
a machine, usually with wheels and an engine, used for transporting people or
goods on land, especially on roads
Cambridge English Dictionary set to US English specifically

Dang. No one ever agree with anyone, not even lexicologists.

(French “véhicule” (the etymon) admits the “extended” usages.)


  Also, we have aircraft and boat sections, which presumably should exclude those
from being in another section.

Okay.

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