Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | el_gordo  | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2018 15:15 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6923-1 | | Viewed: | 208 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, el_gordo writes:
| | * Change 2 Part Red {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)} {Alternate to Regular}
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Is there a reason for moving the part from alternate to regular or was this an
error when submitting the form?
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An error! Thank you.
The up/down keys in my new PC are half-size, sometimes I miss the proper hit.
As a sidenote, could this image be given added prominence in the set's page?
http://www.bricklink.com/TL/2667.jpg
Pedro
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| Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2018 14:08 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6923-1 | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, el_gordo writes:
| | * Change 2 Part Red {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)} {Alternate to Regular}
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Is there a reason for moving the part from alternate to regular or was this an
error when submitting the form?
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| Author: | el_gordo | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2018 13:42 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6872-1 | | Viewed: | 207 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Normally old inventories with no source are unreliable when it comes to variants.
This particular submitter, though, is an expert on Classic Space, and when I
have contacted him in the past he has been able to defend all of his old inventories
with sealed set contents.
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To be clear, my earlier comment wasn't meant to question the original submitter's
good faith; I realize it could have been inferred as such, which was unintended.
But to follow up on a previous remark, how can we know b-type is more common
(cf: rules) from a sample of one, anyway?
I can't dismiss the original inventory as innacurate; what I can do is ask
for further input from others to establish precedence between versions, thus
properly following the rules as they stand. I suppose a review of the rules themselves
would be out of the question?
In the meanwhile - please advise how to proceed. Should I add a-type as alternate,
for the sake of inclusion?
Pedro
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| Author: | samsam2 | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2018 13:38 | | Subject: | Re: Bricklink: please clean up incomplete sets | | Viewed: | 229 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I used to report errors of incomplete sets listed as complete using the Bricklink
problem center form, and it used to work a while ago, but the requests stopped
being acted upon, (even the most blatant examples), so I stopped submitting them.
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Yes all of them - I was thinking of a database query and automated email or
something like that. But really I was just venting some frustration. I know Bricklink
isn't going to do anything about this.
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| Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2018 12:57 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 857-1 | | Viewed: | 215 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| It's not so much that the instructions were wrong. The early Technic sets
each had a history of significant improvements. Many of them have multiple versions
of instructions (see this Bricklist):
https://brickset.com/sets/list-18333
...and often there are further improvements visible from box photos and early
advertising (see this post - corrected links are posted later in the thread):
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1027168
In this case it appears Lego added 2 more of the "new" 16-tooth gears to replace
a 24-tooth and an 8-tooth. This was likely to reduce the speed of the engine
when the model was being pushed fast.
Typically parts were simply added to the roster when improvements were made.
So I would say that there should be 2 regular and 1 extra of the small gears.
2 are necessary anyway to build the lathe shown on the side of the box (and 4
of the 24-tooth gears).
The 40-tooth gear isn't necessary to build any of the models, btw - it's
used for adding an electric motor. But growing up, this was the only 40-tooth
gear I had, so I was glad they included it! It should of course remain in the
Regular section.
In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | A good photo of the box:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ntZG0QtAV-A/SzDuojs_WUI/AAAAAAAAAiY/rFLCCy_RJoA/s1600/PIC_0637.JPG
In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Now I remember better 
On the box, middle top, the gears on the engine are different than what we can
find in instructions. At the time, I was puzzled and proud for this discovery.
There were also some mistakes in the instructions.
We can see in the image that two small gears 3647 were used. Indeed, on the right
side, two
were replaced by one
and one
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There were a third 3647 as extra.
I don't know one 3647 should be added as regular and one as extra or two
as extras.
In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | This may help:
One gear 3647 is used for the main model. If you check the instructions, after
the end of main model, it shows how to add a motor. I believe the second 3647
is meant for this putting on the motor. There was also an extra.
For many years, this set was my sole source of technic parts.
In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | From my childhood collection: My precious!
In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part x88 Black Rubber Band Small (Square Cross Section) (Extra)
* Add 1 Part 3711 Black Technic, Link Chain (Extra)
* Add 1 Part 3900 Light Gray Minifig, Utensil Signal Paddle (Extra)
* Add 2 Part 3647 Light Gray Technic, Gear 8 Tooth Type 1 (Extra)
* Add 1 Part 3024 Trans-Red Plate 1 x 1 (Extra)
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| Author: | EmpireBricksNY | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2018 12:46 | | Subject: | Re: Tax information in order export | | Viewed: | 118 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I have all the columns opened up, and the tax information isn't there. It
also isn't calculated in the total amount received from buyers.
It definitely shows on invoices, which is where I look for the address when I
know tax was collected, but to find those orders, I have to look through my filed
orders.
In Suggestions, bricks2you writes:
| | Should be there, might be called additional charges #2. Shows on invoices as
sales tax.
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| Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2018 12:17 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6872-1 | | Viewed: | 107 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, el_gordo writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | The standard is that the most commonly-appearing part is the regular and the
less-common part is the alternate. I believe this standard was enacted to make
errors less likely when parting out sets.
However, I'm rather dissatisfied with that standard because it's somewhat
difficult to know which version of a part appeared more frequently, especially
for older sets. I'd prefer to see the variation which appeared first listed
as regular and any later variations listed as an alternates.
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Agreed. In fact, there's an extra layer of awkwardness in this set's
inventory - it is the only set from 1985 (and in fact, the first ever)
which lists type 4085b as primary.
It's been 15 years since the original inventory and therefore it'd be
preposterous to ask whether the souce was MISB or not; I strongly suspect
it not to have been so.
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Normally old inventories with no source are unreliable when it comes to variants.
This particular submitter, though, is an expert on Classic Space, and when I
have contacted him in the past he has been able to defend all of his old inventories
with sealed set contents.
However, this particular part presents a real problem, because up until just
a few years ago there were not good images showing all the variants side by side.
Even now there are some BL members (certain of them experienced) who have trouble
distinguishing the different types.
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| Author: | el_gordo | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2018 11:34 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6872-1 | | Viewed: | 96 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
| | The standard is that the most commonly-appearing part is the regular and the
less-common part is the alternate. I believe this standard was enacted to make
errors less likely when parting out sets.
However, I'm rather dissatisfied with that standard because it's somewhat
difficult to know which version of a part appeared more frequently, especially
for older sets. I'd prefer to see the variation which appeared first listed
as regular and any later variations listed as an alternates.
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Agreed. In fact, there's an extra layer of awkwardness in this set's
inventory - it is the only set from 1985 (and in fact, the first ever)
which lists type 4085b as primary.
It's been 15 years since the original inventory and therefore it'd be
preposterous to ask whether the souce was MISB or not; I strongly suspect
it not to have been so.
In fact, back in 2005 this element was mentioned here (in german): https://www.1000steine.de/de/gemeinschaft/forum/?entry=1&id=165413
as having a b-type since 1986, and a c-type since 1993. That discussion does
not prove anything in itself, and nonetheless... cries "uncommon" regarding b-type
in 1985. Which should be enough for now, as per the current standard 
I'll follow elias3's lead and consider a-type as regular, and b-type
as alternate. Should I submit a brand new request, then?
Pedro
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| Author: | jancg | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2018 11:24 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 5571-1 | | Viewed: | 98 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| Are you sure? In '96 jumpers with grooves existed for quite a while!
In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 7 Part Black {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
* Change 2 Part Light Gray {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
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| Author: | elias3 | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2018 10:51 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 4011-1 | | Viewed: | 92 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, jancg writes:
| | That's a clear 'absolutely not'!
I'd say grooved jumper plates were introduced sometime in the 80's.
Jan.
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Hi Jan
no you're wrong...
first 'groove' ones came around 2004
a few weeks ago there was a part change by the admins, all 3794 changed to the
'undetermined type' now a few members do the inventory changes to the
right 3794a type
Stefaan
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In Inventories Requests, el_gordo writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part White {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
Comments from Submitter:
All jumper plates produced in the 20th century are the same, ungrooved type
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| Author: | el_gordo | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2018 10:44 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 4011-1 | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, jancg writes:
| | That's a clear 'absolutely not'!
I'd say grooved jumper plates were introduced sometime in the 80's.
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And I'd say otherwise; in fact, the eighties saw the introduction of grooved
tiles, but not grooved jumper plates.
Which made up for some pretty ugly sides on models - but I digress.
Would you kindly provide one example of one eighties set with a grooved
jumper? In fact, I'll settle for one from the late nineties, and thus consider
your point proven.
Pedro
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| Author: | jancg | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2018 10:28 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 4011-1 | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| That's a clear 'absolutely not'!
I'd say grooved jumper plates were introduced sometime in the 80's.
Jan.
In Inventories Requests, el_gordo writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part White {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
Comments from Submitter:
All jumper plates produced in the 20th century are the same, ungrooved type
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| Author: | el_gordo | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2018 08:48 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 4011-1 | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part White {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
Comments from Submitter:
All jumper plates produced in the 20th century are the same, ungrooved type
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| Author: | el_gordo | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2018 08:47 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 1979-1 | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 4 Part White {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
Comments from Submitter:
All jumper plates produced in the 20th century are the same, ungrooved type
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| Author: | el_gordo | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2018 08:46 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 6510-1 | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part Light Gray {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
Comments from Submitter:
All jumper plates produced in the 20th century are the same, ungrooved type
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| Author: | el_gordo | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2018 08:44 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 6540-1 | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part Light Gray {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
* Change 3 Part White {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
Comments from Submitter:
All jumper plates produced in the 20th century are the same, ungrooved type
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| Author: | el_gordo | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2018 08:43 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 6273-1 | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 2 Part Light Gray {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
Comments from Submitter:
All jumper plates produced in the 20th century are the same, ungrooved type
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| Author: | el_gordo | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2018 08:42 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 1998-1 | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part Light Gray {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
* Change 1 Part White {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
Comments from Submitter:
All jumper plates produced in the 20th century are the same, ungrooved type
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| Author: | el_gordo | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2018 08:39 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 6440-1 | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part Black {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
Comments from Submitter:
All jumper plates produced in the 20th century are the same, ungrooved type
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| Author: | el_gordo | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2018 08:38 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 6542-1 | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 9 Part Black {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
* Change 20 Part Light Gray {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
* Change 5 Part White {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
Comments from Submitter:
All jumper plates produced in the 20th century are the same, ungrooved type
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| Author: | el_gordo | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2018 08:35 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 6234-1 | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part Black {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
Comments from Submitter:
All jumper plates produced in the 20th century are the same, ungrooved type
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| Author: | el_gordo | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2018 08:34 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 4031-1 | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 4 Part Black {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
* Change 4 Part Red {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
Comments from Submitter:
All jumper plates produced in the 20th century are the same, ungrooved type
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| Author: | el_gordo | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2018 08:32 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 6531-1 | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part Red {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
Comments from Submitter:
All jumper plates produced in the 20th century are the same, ungrooved type
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| Author: | el_gordo | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2018 08:31 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 4021-1 | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part Red {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
* Change 1 Part White {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
Comments from Submitter:
All jumper plates produced in the 20th century are the same, ungrooved type
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| Author: | el_gordo | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2018 08:30 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 6509-1 | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 2 Part Red {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
* Change 2 Part White {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) (Undetermined Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
Comments from Submitter:
All jumper plates produced in the 20th century are the same, ungrooved type
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