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| | | Author: | calsbricks  | | Posted: | Jan 27, 2022 13:16 | | Subject: | Just a thoought | | Viewed: | 243 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| Currently due to Bricklink policy of 'must have onsite payment method enabled'
no store without that function can sell to anywhere in the USA. We would like
to suggest (not a formal suggestion yet) that BL splits the US shipping destinations
to with sales tax and without, so those of us who do not have onsite payments
enabled can still sell to the (9 states currently). We appreciate this will probably
change as everyone tries to get on the bandwagon - but because you cannot currently
remove an individual state this is not possible - we have had half a dozen enquiries
this month for shipping to USA - all from states with sales tax, unfortunately
On the other hand eliminating a large part of the market based purely on payment
method does not make good business sense. You can collect the sales tax in a
more conventional method - like bill us for it., or is that too difficult .
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| | | | | Author: | psusaxman2000 | | Posted: | Jan 27, 2022 13:24 | | Subject: | Re: Just a thoought | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, calsbricks writes:
| | Currently due to Bricklink policy of 'must have onsite payment method enabled'
no store without that function can sell to anywhere in the USA. We would like
to suggest (not a formal suggestion yet) that BL splits the US shipping destinations
to with sales tax and without, so those of us who do not have onsite payments
enabled can still sell to the (9 states currently). We appreciate this will probably
change as everyone tries to get on the bandwagon - but because you cannot currently
remove an individual state this is not possible - we have had half a dozen enquiries
this month for shipping to USA - all from states with sales tax, unfortunately
On the other hand eliminating a large part of the market based purely on payment
method does not make good business sense. You can collect the sales tax in a
more conventional method - like bill us for it., or is that too difficult .
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While it's not the greatest options, you can still ship today if you setup
a shipping option to the US. Yes, it will appear for all US buyers like myself,
but they will not be able to checkout due to lack of onsite payment. With this,
you would probably get a series of emails about not being about to check out
and the like, but you would show up on the search for all those other buyers
that don't have this rule in place yet.
I think it would be nice if there was a marker or flag that trigger the "seller
ships to my country" based on the necessary shipping option for the tax and VAT
stuff, but that probably isn't a high priority thing at this time.
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| | | | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Jan 27, 2022 14:44 | | Subject: | Re: Just a thoought | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, psusaxman2000 writes:
| | In General, calsbricks writes:
| | Currently due to Bricklink policy of 'must have onsite payment method enabled'
no store without that function can sell to anywhere in the USA. We would like
to suggest (not a formal suggestion yet) that BL splits the US shipping destinations
to with sales tax and without, so those of us who do not have onsite payments
enabled can still sell to the (9 states currently). We appreciate this will probably
change as everyone tries to get on the bandwagon - but because you cannot currently
remove an individual state this is not possible - we have had half a dozen enquiries
this month for shipping to USA - all from states with sales tax, unfortunately
On the other hand eliminating a large part of the market based purely on payment
method does not make good business sense. You can collect the sales tax in a
more conventional method - like bill us for it., or is that too difficult .
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While it's not the greatest options, you can still ship today if you setup
a shipping option to the US. Yes, it will appear for all US buyers like myself,
but they will not be able to checkout due to lack of onsite payment. With this,
you would probably get a series of emails about not being about to check out
and the like, but you would show up on the search for all those other buyers
that don't have this rule in place yet.
I think it would be nice if there was a marker or flag that trigger the "seller
ships to my country" based on the necessary shipping option for the tax and VAT
stuff, but that probably isn't a high priority thing at this time.
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that is how we do it. it just seems not sensible.
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| | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Jan 27, 2022 13:40 | | Subject: | Re: Just a thoought | | Viewed: | 72 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| | | On the other hand eliminating a large part of the market based purely on payment
method does not make good business sense. You can collect the sales tax in a
more conventional method - like bill us for it., or is that too difficult .
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That's not possible.
As soon as a company (here: the marketplace) will declare a 1000€ VAT paid, they
DO owe it, and they will pay it.
Meaning that if the seller makes an indirect sale (like using IBAN or such) and
BL cannot collect this VAT amount (for any reason), they'll simply loose
this amount.
This isn't acceptable - especially if you multiply this risk by 30000+ shops.
On the other side; on site payments are 5 years old at least.
There's no reason not to set up those payment methods, especially if you
wish to be able to sell to this market (USA, etc.)
In short, the ball is in your camp; they won't change this IMHO.
Sylvain
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| | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Jan 27, 2022 14:02 | | Subject: | Re: Just a thoought | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | On the other hand eliminating a large part of the market based purely on payment
method does not make good business sense. You can collect the sales tax in a
more conventional method - like bill us for it., or is that too difficult .
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That's not possible.
As soon as a company (here: the marketplace) will declare a 1000€ VAT paid, they
DO owe it, and they will pay it.
Meaning that if the seller makes an indirect sale (like using IBAN or such) and
BL cannot collect this VAT amount (for any reason), they'll simply loose
this amount.
This isn't acceptable - especially if you multiply this risk by 30000+ shops.
On the other side; on site payments are 5 years old at least.
There's no reason not to set up those payment methods, especially if you
wish to be able to sell to this market (USA, etc.)
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7+ this year...
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In short, the ball is in your camp; they won't change this IMHO.
Sylvain
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Ditto
PD: What is holding you back still Bill?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Jan 27, 2022 14:20 | | Subject: | Re: Just a thoought | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| | | | | In short, the ball is in your camp; they won't change this IMHO.
Sylvain
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Ditto
PD: What is holding you back still Bill?
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I'm telling him this (by PM) for a couple of years, he simply does_not_want_to.
Which isn't a problem; it's even respectable per se.
But then he complains 
Cheers -
Sylvain
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | edeevo | | Posted: | Jan 27, 2022 14:38 | | Subject: | Re: Just a thoought | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | | | In short, the ball is in your camp; they won't change this IMHO.
Sylvain
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Ditto
PD: What is holding you back still Bill?
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I'm telling him this (by PM) for a couple of years, he simply does_not_want_to.
Which isn't a problem; it's even respectable per se.
But then he complains
Cheers -
Sylvain
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I must admit I held off on implementing onsite and instant payment for as long
as I could (I think mainly out of stubbornness, but also because of quality control:
I felt I wanted to check all items before I had someone pay me for them );
but now that I have been using it for a few years with instant payment, I wouldn't
want to go back... it eliminated a lot of previous hassles with NPBs that I didn't
realize were occupying way too much of my time back then, and it seems my concern
with the quality control of my items and inventory was just my own paranoia;
because I rarely make mistakes, and my Buyers are just as happy as before the
change...
Life is Good.
~Ed.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Jan 27, 2022 14:47 | | Subject: | Re: Just a thoought | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| | | I must admit I held off on implementing onsite and instant payment for as long
as I could (I think mainly out of stubbornness, but also because of quality control:
I felt I wanted to check all items before I had someone pay me for them);
but now that I have been using it for a few years with instant payment, I wouldn't
want to go back... it eliminated a lot of previous hassles with NPBs that I didn't
realize were occupying way too much of my time back then, and it seems my concern
with the quality control of my items and inventory was just my own paranoia;
because I rarely make mistakes, and my Buyers are just as happy as before the
change...
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Agreed Ed - that's the point!
The 1 USD you *may* lose from time to time (or not, depending how properly you
set up things) is by FAR less expensive than your private, (good as you
say) Life time!
I also would NOT be able to revert to manual invoicing, and yes, people are 99.9999%
happy to see prices on site during check out.
Sylvain
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Jan 27, 2022 14:50 | | Subject: | Re: Just a thoought | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, edeevo writes:
| | In General, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | | | In short, the ball is in your camp; they won't change this IMHO.
Sylvain
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Ditto
PD: What is holding you back still Bill?
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I'm telling him this (by PM) for a couple of years, he simply does_not_want_to.
Which isn't a problem; it's even respectable per se.
But then he complains
Cheers -
Sylvain
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I must admit I held off on implementing onsite and instant payment for as long
as I could (I think mainly out of stubbornness, but also because of quality control:
I felt I wanted to check all items before I had someone pay me for them);
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There is a common misconception, Onsite Payment is not the same as Instant Checkout
Onsite is just that, when and invoice is sent, there appears a PAY button in
the order and in the orders received page for the buyer to pay.
Instant Checkout is configuring your shipping methods to send the invoice to
the buyer automatically. And this is configurable for each one, you can have
IC for domestic only or for smaller orders, whatever you want.
You can have PayPal Onsite and Stripe linked but maintaining your shipping methods
in Manual.
| | but now that I have been using it for a few years with instant payment, I wouldn't
want to go back... it eliminated a lot of previous hassles with NPBs that I didn't
realize were occupying way too much of my time back then, and it seems my concern
with the quality control of my items and inventory was just my own paranoia;
because I rarely make mistakes, and my Buyers are just as happy as before the
change...
Life is Good.
~Ed.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | edeevo | | Posted: | Jan 27, 2022 15:01 | | Subject: | Re: Just a thoought | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, Stellar writes:
| | In General, edeevo writes:
| | In General, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | | | In short, the ball is in your camp; they won't change this IMHO.
Sylvain
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Ditto
PD: What is holding you back still Bill?
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I'm telling him this (by PM) for a couple of years, he simply does_not_want_to.
Which isn't a problem; it's even respectable per se.
But then he complains
Cheers -
Sylvain
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I must admit I held off on implementing onsite and instant payment for as long
as I could (I think mainly out of stubbornness, but also because of quality control:
I felt I wanted to check all items before I had someone pay me for them);
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There is a common misconception, Onsite Payment is not the same as Instant Checkout
Onsite is just that, when and invoice is sent, there appears a PAY button in
the order and in the orders received page for the buyer to pay.
Instant Checkout is configuring your shipping methods to send the invoice to
the buyer automatically. And this is configurable for each one, you can have
IC for domestic only or for smaller orders, whatever you want.
You can have PayPal Onsite and Stripe linked but maintaining your shipping methods
in Manual.
| | but now that I have been using it for a few years with instant payment, I wouldn't
want to go back... it eliminated a lot of previous hassles with NPBs that I didn't
realize were occupying way too much of my time back then, and it seems my concern
with the quality control of my items and inventory was just my own paranoia;
because I rarely make mistakes, and my Buyers are just as happy as before the
change...
Life is Good.
~Ed.
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I am aware of the distinction between the two; I was simply saying that a bunch
of my previous issues with NPBs disappeared once I implemented both around the
same time...
Life is Good.
~Ed.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Jan 27, 2022 14:56 | | Subject: | Re: Just a thoought | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, Stellar writes:
| | In General, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | On the other hand eliminating a large part of the market based purely on payment
method does not make good business sense. You can collect the sales tax in a
more conventional method - like bill us for it., or is that too difficult .
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That's not possible.
As soon as a company (here: the marketplace) will declare a 1000€ VAT paid, they
DO owe it, and they will pay it.
Meaning that if the seller makes an indirect sale (like using IBAN or such) and
BL cannot collect this VAT amount (for any reason), they'll simply loose
this amount.
This isn't acceptable - especially if you multiply this risk by 30000+ shops.
On the other side; on site payments are 5 years old at least.
There's no reason not to set up those payment methods, especially if you
wish to be able to sell to this market (USA, etc.)
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7+ this year...
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In short, the ball is in your camp; they won't change this IMHO.
Sylvain
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Ditto
PD: What is holding you back still Bill?
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ppm terms and conditions. there is no way we will hand over control of our funds
to bricklink or anyone else for that matter
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Jan 27, 2022 15:27 | | Subject: | Re: Just a thoought | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| | | ppm terms and conditions. there is no way we will hand over control of our funds
to bricklink or anyone else for that matter
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Good luck with this Bill!
IRS and your Bank, controls your fluxes, and now control how BrickLink manages
taxes to be paid.
There's every day less and less solutions this not to be controlled.
Apart if you're one of the 1% VIPs of the World (shame on you then).
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Jan 27, 2022 19:32 | | Subject: | Re: Just a thoought | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | ppm terms and conditions. there is no way we will hand over control of our funds
to bricklink or anyone else for that matter
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Good luck with this Bill!
IRS and your Bank, controls your fluxes, and now control how BrickLink manages
taxes to be paid.
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just to be pedantic is (hmrc) have absolutely no control over my funds. they
have the right to charge me taxes on earned income, which they do once a year.
as for the banks, the situation is different, but again they have no control
over my funds
in both situations these organisations are set up with the management of funds
as their main focus. bricklink is not and possibly never will be.
as you are well aware there are often difficulties with them keeping up with
their main focus (that is not meant as a criticism rather a statement of fact).
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There's every day less and less solutions this not to be controlled.
Apart if you're one of the 1% VIPs of the World (shame on you then).
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Jan 27, 2022 17:44 | | Subject: | Re: Just a thoought | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, calsbricks writes:
| | ppm terms and conditions. there is no way we will hand over control of our funds
to bricklink or anyone else for that matter
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Just to be clear - BL does NOT gain control over your Paypal account.
When an onsite payment is done, BL gets authorized to be an intermediate for
that specific transaction (nothing else). That way, BL can redirect parts of
that payment when needed. For instance, when taxes are involved for a US sale,
the customer pays the full amount including taxes, and BL siphons off the tax
part, so the seller gets the payment minus the tax part.
I understand that this power can make you hesitant, but if BL wants to screw
you over, they can do that without onsite payments. There has to be a level of
trust when you join a market place as a seller.
Besides, refusing to implement onsite payments will cut you off from the largest
international market. I for one could not explain that if I had to build my business
and maximize profits.
But then again, the more shops refuse to do onsite payments, the better it can
be for my bottom line. So now I will have to explain to the CFO why I am typing
this reply which potentially costs our shop some sales.
My CAD 0.03.
Niek.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Jan 27, 2022 19:46 | | Subject: | Re: Just a thoought | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, qwertyboy writes:
| | In General, calsbricks writes:
| | ppm terms and conditions. there is no way we will hand over control of our funds
to bricklink or anyone else for that matter
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Just to be clear - BL does NOT gain control over your Paypal account.
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they gain control over all/any bricklink transactions and have the right to determine
when and if you receive those funds according to the ppm terms and conditions.
one of the longest and most complicated threads this forum has seen in my 14
year they had to publish a statement in the end to mitigate the concrns stores
had. that statement was that they would not get involved with that side of the
terms, and until this compliance issue came along they kept to their word.
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When an onsite payment is done, BL gets authorized to be an intermediate for
that specific transaction (nothing else). That way, BL can redirect parts of
that payment when needed. For instance, when taxes are involved for a US sale,
the customer pays the full amount including taxes, and BL siphons off the tax
part, so the seller gets the payment minus the tax part.
I understand that this power can make you hesitant, but if BL wants to screw
you over, they can do that without onsite payments. There has to be a level of
trust when you join a market place as a seller.
Besides, refusing to implement onsite payments will cut you off from the largest
international market. I for one could not explain that if I had to build my business
and maximize profits.
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all of that is true, however less than 9% of our sales over our 11 years has
come from overseas (postage costs are simply too high), we lost the usa when
they first implemented sales taxes and now the eu with vat. sales levels are
still acceptable and we still get the odd order from Canada as well as switzerland
and Australia.
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But then again, the more shops refuse to do onsite payments, the better it can
be for my bottom line. So now I will have to explain to the CFO why I am typing
this reply which potentially costs our shop some sales.
My CAD 0.03.
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I doubt that.people go where the product is. that is what drives sales not what
payment methods you accept. you know that old marketing expression the right
product at the right place at the right time is what drives business
hope you will be joining us soon
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Jan 27, 2022 20:31 | | Subject: | Re: Just a thoought | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, calsbricks writes:
| | In General, qwertyboy writes:
| | In General, calsbricks writes:
| | ppm terms and conditions. there is no way we will hand over control of our funds
to bricklink or anyone else for that matter
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Just to be clear - BL does NOT gain control over your Paypal account.
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they gain control over all/any bricklink transactions and have the right to determine
when and if you receive those funds according to the ppm terms and conditions.
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Well, Paypal has absolute control over ALL your PP transactions, as well as your
balance. They can freeze your account for whatever reason, yet you still offer
that. Why? Because you trust they will do the correct thing. Why not extend that
same trust to BL, an entity where you demonstrably have more influence over?
| | one of the longest and most complicated threads this forum has seen in my 14
year they had to publish a statement in the end to mitigate the concrns stores
had. that statement was that they would not get involved with that side of the
terms, and until this compliance issue came along they kept to their word.
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I don't see a compliance issue. I see a requirement forced upon BL to comply
with how market places can and cannot operate. This led to an implementation
that tries to make sure the tax monies are indeed collected. How would you have
tackled this problem?
| | | | But then again, the more shops refuse to do onsite payments, the better it can
be for my bottom line. So now I will have to explain to the CFO why I am typing
this reply which potentially costs our shop some sales.
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| | I doubt that.people go where the product is. that is what drives sales not what
payment methods you accept. you know that old marketing expression the right
product at the right place at the right time is what drives business
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People need to buy product. You have it, I have it, and many other shops have
it. You bow out of the US market. That means the odds they place an order in
my store just went up. By a tiny tiny bit, but it went up. If you start selling
to the US again because of this discussion, my odds go down again by a tiny tiny
bit. Simple logic.
Circling back to your initial suggestion - splitting up the US in tax / no-tax
is a non-issue for your shop. By your own words, you hardly received any orders
from the US before, and that was from all states. Why would you want this split-up
if there would not be any orders from that small part of the US? Is it maybe
to raise your odds by a tiny tiny bit? Are you actually in my boat?
| | hope you will be joining us soon
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I will wave in your general direction when the airplane with the CFO and me starts
its descent to Schiphol airport early March. That's about as good as I can
do.
Stay safe!
Niek.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Jan 27, 2022 21:38 | | Subject: | Re: Just a thoought | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, qwertyboy writes:
| | In General, calsbricks writes:
| | In General, qwertyboy writes:
| | In General, calsbricks writes:
| | ppm terms and conditions. there is no way we will hand over control of our funds
to bricklink or anyone else for that matter
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Just to be clear - BL does NOT gain control over your Paypal account.
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they gain control over all/any bricklink transactions and have the right to determine
when and if you receive those funds according to the ppm terms and conditions.
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Well, Paypal has absolute control over ALL your PP transactions, as well as your
balance. They can freeze your account for whatever reason, yet you still offer
that. Why? Because you trust they will do the correct thing. Why not extend that
same trust to BL, an entity where you demonstrably have more influence over?
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you are, of course, correct. we have been with them for 14 years without a problem
and believe it will stay that way. trust them - possibly but that has been built
up over our time with them and we never, repeat never leave funds with them.
as for Bricklink we have built up a degree of trust since tlg have more or less
taken over. Tanya has helped with that as well as her team. long may it continue,
but tlg have to back her, and ensure she has the resources she needs to get the
job (s) done.
| | | | one of the longest and most complicated threads this forum has seen in my 14
year they had to publish a statement in the end to mitigate the concrns stores
had. that statement was that they would not get involved with that side of the
terms, and until this compliance issue came along they kept to their word.
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I don't see a compliance issue. I see a requirement forced upon BL to comply
with how market places can and cannot operate. This led to an implementation
that tries to make sure the tax monies are indeed collected. How would you have
tackled this problem?
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I have called it compliance because that is what they call it. my approach would
have been somewhat different however with more time spent up front in design.
sales exemptions for example should have been included as well as margin schemes
and of course I would have looked far more deeply into payment methods, but that
is just me and how we approach issues like this.
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| | | | But then again, the more shops refuse to do onsite payments, the better it can
be for my bottom line. So now I will have to explain to the CFO why I am typing
this reply which potentially costs our shop some sales.
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I double up as ceo/CFO so my arguments are with myself. the good news is I win
all arguments.
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| | I doubt that.people go where the product is. that is what drives sales not what
payment methods you accept. you know that old marketing expression the right
product at the right place at the right time is what drives business
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People need to buy product. You have it, I have it, and many other shops have
it. You bow out of the US market. That means the odds they place an order in
my store just went up. By a tiny tiny bit, but it went up. If you start selling
to the US again because of this discussion, my odds go down again by a tiny tiny
bit. Simple logic.
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agree with the logic. we would not really make a significant dent on your sales
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Circling back to your initial suggestion - splitting up the US in tax / no-tax
is a non-issue for your shop. By your own words, you hardly received any orders
from the US before, and that was from all states. Why would you want this split-up
if there would not be any orders from that small part of the US? Is it maybe
to raise your odds by a tiny tiny bit? Are you actually in my boat?
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the only thing it might do is make it possible to only have those states to contend
with rather than lots of messages
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I will wave in your general direction when the airplane with the CFO and me starts
its descent to Schiphol airport early March. That's about as good as I can
do.
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I didn't mean that but you should enjoy the Netherlands at that time of year
many of us are hoping you will join us in Feb
stay safe and well
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| | | | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Jan 27, 2022 14:50 | | Subject: | Re: Just a thoought | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | On the other hand eliminating a large part of the market based purely on payment
method does not make good business sense. You can collect the sales tax in a
more conventional method - like bill us for it., or is that too difficult .
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That's not possible.
As soon as a company (here: the marketplace) will declare a 1000€ VAT paid, they
DO owe it, and they will pay it.
Meaning that if the seller makes an indirect sale (like using IBAN or such) and
BL cannot collect this VAT amount (for any reason), they'll simply loose
this amount.
This isn't acceptable - especially if you multiply this risk by 30000+ shops.
On the other side; on site payments are 5 years old at least.
There's no reason not to set up those payment methods, especially if you
wish to be able to sell to this market (USA, etc.)
In short, the ball is in your camp; they won't change this IMHO.
Sylvain
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unfortunately you have misread rhe thread it is not to do with vat only usa and
sales tax.
the ball, as you call it, is not in our court. it is firmly in Bricklink's.
they agreed in the beginning to investigate other payment options and have let
that fade away. as a business we would never give away control of our funds
nd that is what the terms of ppm state
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Jan 27, 2022 15:19 | | Subject: | Re: Just a thoought | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| | | unfortunately you have misread rhe thread it is not to do with vat only usa and
sales tax.
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Uh?
"We would like to suggest ... that BL splits the US shipping destinations to
with sales tax and without"
Anyway
| | the ball, as you call it, is not in our court. it is firmly in Bricklink's.
they agreed in the beginning to investigate other payment options and have let
that fade away. as a business we would never give away control of our funds
nd that is what the terms of ppm state
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No problem.
Sylvain
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | TheBrickGuys | | Posted: | Jan 28, 2022 01:35 | | Subject: | Re: Just a thoought | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, calsbricks writes:
| | In General, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | On the other hand eliminating a large part of the market based purely on payment
method does not make good business sense. You can collect the sales tax in a
more conventional method - like bill us for it., or is that too difficult .
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That's not possible.
As soon as a company (here: the marketplace) will declare a 1000€ VAT paid, they
DO owe it, and they will pay it.
Meaning that if the seller makes an indirect sale (like using IBAN or such) and
BL cannot collect this VAT amount (for any reason), they'll simply loose
this amount.
This isn't acceptable - especially if you multiply this risk by 30000+ shops.
On the other side; on site payments are 5 years old at least.
There's no reason not to set up those payment methods, especially if you
wish to be able to sell to this market (USA, etc.)
In short, the ball is in your camp; they won't change this IMHO.
Sylvain
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unfortunately you have misread rhe thread it is not to do with vat only usa and
sales tax.
the ball, as you call it, is not in our court. it is firmly in Bricklink's.
they agreed in the beginning to investigate other payment options and have let
that fade away. as a business we would never give away control of our funds
nd that is what the terms of ppm state
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Actually the ball is in your court. BrickLink has set up the rules in how you
can sell to customers in the US so it is now up to you to decide if you want
to abide by there rules or not. I know you have brought up many many arguments
against implementing onsite payments thru many many threads here but I think
you just need either bite the bullet and implement onsite payments or if not
then I think it is time to let it go and accept that BrickLink is not going to
change their policies concerning onsite payments in anyway that will be pleasing
to you. You just need to let it go and move on.
Jim.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Jan 28, 2022 02:56 | | Subject: | Re: Just a thoought | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, TheBrickGuys writes:
| | In General, calsbricks writes:
| | In General, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | On the other hand eliminating a large part of the market based purely on payment
method does not make good business sense. You can collect the sales tax in a
more conventional method - like bill us for it., or is that too difficult .
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That's not possible.
As soon as a company (here: the marketplace) will declare a 1000€ VAT paid, they
DO owe it, and they will pay it.
Meaning that if the seller makes an indirect sale (like using IBAN or such) and
BL cannot collect this VAT amount (for any reason), they'll simply loose
this amount.
This isn't acceptable - especially if you multiply this risk by 30000+ shops.
On the other side; on site payments are 5 years old at least.
There's no reason not to set up those payment methods, especially if you
wish to be able to sell to this market (USA, etc.)
In short, the ball is in your camp; they won't change this IMHO.
Sylvain
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unfortunately you have misread rhe thread it is not to do with vat only usa and
sales tax.
the ball, as you call it, is not in our court. it is firmly in Bricklink's.
they agreed in the beginning to investigate other payment options and have let
that fade away. as a business we would never give away control of our funds
nd that is what the terms of ppm state
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Actually the ball is in your court. BrickLink has set up the rules in how you
can sell to customers in the US so it is now up to you to decide if you want
to abide by there rules or not. I know you have brought up many many arguments
against implementing onsite payments thru many many threads here but I think
you just need either bite the bullet and implement onsite payments or if not
then I think it is time to let it go and accept that BrickLink is not going to
change their policies concerning onsite payments in anyway that will be pleasing
to you. You just need to let it go and move on.
Jim.
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Well , if everyone did that the world would never change., This will be the last
post on this matter from us. Sometimes people make uninformed decisions which
impact many without looking at all the consequences. Whilst the compliance issue
had to be solved Bricklink took the 'easy option' and didn't get
it right. Our setup will remain the same so those states that do not have a sales
tax policy can still order from us if they choose and those that do cannot. Still
doesn't seem right now does it ?
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| | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Jan 28, 2022 04:23 | | Subject: | Re: Just a thoought | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, calsbricks writes:
| | On the other hand eliminating a large part of the market based purely on payment
method does not make good business sense. You can collect the sales tax in a
more conventional method - like bill us for it., or is that too difficult .
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I am unsure whether or not the modern system should be compatible with offsite
payment methods, but on the topic of eliminating parts of the market because
of payment methods: We already know Bricklink is extremely comfortable with doing
that. They don't even do the most obvious and straightforward thing they
have to do: Simply add more onsite payment methods - iDEAL, Klarna, Giropay,
Bancontact... They are losing a whole lot of business because consumers don't
see the payment methods they're familiar with and trust (I know, because
they come to my webshop  ) .
It took the BrickOwl admin a day, maybe a couple of days to implement them. It
took me 15 minutes to add them to my webshop. Bricklink has been wanting to add
them for several years now and has still not succeeded..... clearly, with Bricklink
not even doing the most obvious, no-loss, first thing they can do, I don't
see a point in discussing the more complicated stuff...
Yes, I'm going to be a broken record on onsite payment methods until the
day Bricklink has finally succeeded (= pressed "ok" in Stripe)
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