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| | | Author: | calsbricks  | | Posted: | Dec 14, 2021 03:59 | | Subject: | Change ,oftenbrings chaos | | Viewed: | 181 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| Having looked back a long way in the forum (before the current lot of compliance
issues being addressed) I could find no real issues being brought up over sales
tax, vat etc. The stores where it applied were dealing with it with no real issues.
All of a sudden legislates get involved, without thinking things through, as
usual, and we have a degree of chaos here on Bricklink. How odd that the individual
stores, where applicable coped more than adequately, until this load of changes
emerged,
The moral of the story is let well enough alone. Yes they may have missed the
odd amount of tax or vat but things were being dealt with - no pressure on BL
to come up with a total solution and no forum posts raising holy hell.
Still there is no going backwards only forwards and we are all now waiting for
the issues to be dealt with - they are far more complicated than what people
believe but if others have dealt with it I am sure BL will in due course.
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| | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Dec 14, 2021 09:24 | | Subject: | Re: Change ,oftenbrings chaos | | Viewed: | 107 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, calsbricks writes:
| | Having looked back a long way in the forum (before the current lot of compliance
issues being addressed) I could find no real issues being brought up over sales
tax, vat etc. The stores where it applied were dealing with it with no real issues.
All of a sudden legislates get involved, without thinking things through, as
usual, and we have a degree of chaos here on Bricklink. How odd that the individual
stores, where applicable coped more than adequately, until this load of changes
emerged,
The moral of the story is let well enough alone. Yes they may have missed the
odd amount of tax or vat but things were being dealt with - no pressure on BL
to come up with a total solution and no forum posts raising holy hell.
Still there is no going backwards only forwards and we are all now waiting for
the issues to be dealt with - they are far more complicated than what people
believe but if others have dealt with it I am sure BL will in due course.
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Maybe it’s because I feel the site works fine, that I don’t understand your continual
postings of deficiencies, problems or just general woes with the site. I really
do try to understand, it’s just beyond my comprehension how someone can have
so many troubles for so long, in simply using the site as intended. I otherwise
enjoy your posts.
Naturally, there will always be room for improvements, especially with complicated
entities such as BL. But I ask, what in our imperfect world do we not look to
improve continually, including ourselves? Improvement is a constant if we’re
doing it right, and of course change goes hand-in-glove along with so called
chaos, for some. I would call the process “evolving” were the goal to become
more complex and not to simplify for the user 
From my point of view, if they (those that own & run the site) would like to
continually streamline, tweak, fine-tune, i.e. bring change to the project, I’m
okay with the experience now. But I had to do some thought processing to get
to that point of view, initially.
I do understand the overall sentiment with change, though. Just last night, I
was in a conversation with someone I consider to be very smart (my daughter)
about this part of human nature, in how reluctant we are to change. The chaos
bit however, is just how you’re processing your reticence, a perspective imho.
Notwithstanding the statutory implementations global ecommerce platforms need
to keep pace with today, it’s doing fine. In fact, it’s doing better than it
has in sometime...
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Dec 14, 2021 10:11 | | Subject: | Re: Change ,oftenbrings chaos | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, calsbricks writes:
| | Having looked back a long way in the forum (before the current lot of compliance
issues being addressed) I could find no real issues being brought up over sales
tax, vat etc. The stores where it applied were dealing with it with no real issues.
All of a sudden legislates get involved, without thinking things through, as
usual, and we have a degree of chaos here on Bricklink. How odd that the individual
stores, where applicable coped more than adequately, until this load of changes
emerged,
The moral of the story is let well enough alone. Yes they may have missed the
odd amount of tax or vat but things were being dealt with - no pressure on BL
to come up with a total solution and no forum posts raising holy hell.
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Governments know some people weren't paying sales tax or VAT, and with the
increase in online overseas shipping, presumably this was costing some countries
significant revenue at the same time as hurting local stores that were playing
by the VAT / sales tax rules.
Sure, in one sense you can turn a blind eye to it and the people getting away
with it are happy for you not to interfere and collect the tax. The alternative
is if you know people are not paying tax on goods as they should be, then you
do something about it. Governments around the world decided to do something about
it. And either BL implements tax collection, or leaves it up to every company
/ individual selling on BL to register for tax in every country they sell to.
No doubt BL's implementation could have been better and one size does not
fit all. But I think they tried to implement a solution that works for as many
as possible. They clearly still need to clear up the mess where it doesn't
work.
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| | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Dec 14, 2021 10:23 | | Subject: | Re: Change ,oftenbrings chaos | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, calsbricks writes:
| | Yes they may have missed the
odd amount of tax or vat but things were being dealt with - no pressure on BL
to come up with a total solution and no forum posts raising holy hell.
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You don't live in the USA, so your understanding of the previous situation
may not have been clear. Prior to July 1, 2021, sellers on BrickLink, and located
outside of Florida, were not collecting sales tax. So 49 US states plus all international
sellers were not collecting sales and use tax for shipments destined for Florida.
The same situation applied to ~40 other US states. I do not consider that an
odd amount of sales tax.
Furthermore it created a lopsided playing field between sellers in Florida, and
sellers outside of Florida, for shipments destined here. Since July 1, I've
noticed more orders destined for Florida than I used to receive. Likewise I've
seen fewer orders going to California. So it balances out (in some sense).
Nita Rae
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| | | | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Dec 14, 2021 10:31 | | Subject: | Re: Change ,oftenbrings chaos | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, cosmicray writes:
| | In General, calsbricks writes:
| | Yes they may have missed the
odd amount of tax or vat but things were being dealt with - no pressure on BL
to come up with a total solution and no forum posts raising holy hell.
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You don't live in the USA, so your understanding of the previous situation
may not have been clear. Prior to July 1, 2021, sellers on BrickLink, and located
outside of Florida, were not collecting sales tax. So 49 US states plus all international
sellers were not collecting sales and use tax for shipments destined for Florida.
The same situation applied to ~40 other US states. I do not consider that an
odd amount of sales tax.
Furthermore it created a lopsided playing field between sellers in Florida, and
sellers outside of Florida, for shipments destined here. Since July 1, I've
noticed more orders destined for Florida than I used to receive. Likewise I've
seen fewer orders going to California. So it balances out (in some sense).
Nita Rae
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Just to help you out Born and raised for the first 21 years of my life in Buffalo,
New York. Well aware of the sales tax situation - every time my family and I
visit the US all I hear from them is we forgot about the sales tax - so it wasn't
quite as cheap as as we thought.
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| | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Dec 14, 2021 11:04 | | Subject: | Re: Change ,oftenbrings chaos | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, calsbricks writes:
| | Having looked back a long way in the forum (before the current lot of compliance
issues being addressed) I could find no real issues being brought up over sales
tax, vat etc. The stores where it applied were dealing with it with no real issues.
All of a sudden legislates get involved, without thinking things through, as
usual, and we have a degree of chaos here on Bricklink. How odd that the individual
stores, where applicable coped more than adequately, until this load of changes
emerged,
The moral of the story is let well enough alone. Yes they may have missed the
odd amount of tax or vat but things were being dealt with - no pressure on BL
to come up with a total solution and no forum posts raising holy hell.
Still there is no going backwards only forwards and we are all now waiting for
the issues to be dealt with - they are far more complicated than what people
believe but if others have dealt with it I am sure BL will in due course.
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Well, life was simpler in the past in general... That doesn't mean we can
recreate that by not having the rules we have today. They're there for a
reason. Today's world can't exist without improved legislation on e-commerce,
just like it can't exist without something like cyber security. The problem
is just that Bricklink doesn't see changes in the world as opportunities
to make this platform professional and respectable, but rather behaves like a
poorly motivated teenager who does the bare minimum to pass the class at the
very last moment (and in some cases less than the bare minimum and later than
the last moment).
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| | | | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Dec 14, 2021 11:18 | | Subject: | Re: Change ,oftenbrings chaos | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | General | |
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| In General, Teup writes:
| | In General, calsbricks writes:
| | Having looked back a long way in the forum (before the current lot of compliance
issues being addressed) I could find no real issues being brought up over sales
tax, vat etc. The stores where it applied were dealing with it with no real issues.
All of a sudden legislates get involved, without thinking things through, as
usual, and we have a degree of chaos here on Bricklink. How odd that the individual
stores, where applicable coped more than adequately, until this load of changes
emerged,
The moral of the story is let well enough alone. Yes they may have missed the
odd amount of tax or vat but things were being dealt with - no pressure on BL
to come up with a total solution and no forum posts raising holy hell.
Still there is no going backwards only forwards and we are all now waiting for
the issues to be dealt with - they are far more complicated than what people
believe but if others have dealt with it I am sure BL will in due course.
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Well, life was simpler in the past in general... That doesn't mean we can
recreate that by not having the rules we have today. They're there for a
reason. Today's world can't exist without improved legislation on e-commerce,
just like it can't exist without something like cyber security. The problem
is just that Bricklink doesn't see changes in the world as opportunities
to make this platform professional and respectable, but rather behaves like a
poorly motivated teenager who does the bare minimum to pass the class at the
very last moment (and in some cases less than the bare minimum and later than
the last moment).
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Hiya Teup. Veery philosophical.
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