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| | | Author: | TDH_Bricks  | | Posted: | Nov 27, 2021 15:58 | | Subject: | UK orders limitation to 135 GBP? | | Viewed: | 127 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| Hello,
can you please help where to find settings for UK orders limitation to 135 GBP?
I am sure we set up this limitation in the past but we received an order over
135 GBP today.
Thank you.
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| | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Nov 27, 2021 16:32 | | Subject: | Re: UK orders limitation to 135 GBP? | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, TDH_Bricks writes:
| | Hello,
can you please help where to find settings for UK orders limitation to 135 GBP?
I am sure we set up this limitation in the past but we received an order over
135 GBP today.
Thank you.
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I think it would be under the shipping method to the UK
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| | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Nov 27, 2021 16:34 | | Subject: | Re: UK orders limitation to 135 GBP? | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, TDH_Bricks writes:
| | Hello,
can you please help where to find settings for UK orders limitation to 135 GBP?
I am sure we set up this limitation in the past but we received an order over
135 GBP today.
Thank you.
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Over or under? Why would you want to only have orders to the UK under
135 GBP? As far as I understand those are the only ones you need to do something
for.
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| | | | | | | Author: | TDH_Bricks | | Posted: | Nov 27, 2021 17:29 | | Subject: | Re: UK orders limitation to 135 GBP? | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Teup writes:
| | In Help, TDH_Bricks writes:
| | Hello,
can you please help where to find settings for UK orders limitation to 135 GBP?
I am sure we set up this limitation in the past but we received an order over
135 GBP today.
Thank you.
|
Over or under? Why would you want to only have orders to the UK under
135 GBP? As far as I understand those are the only ones you need to do something
for.
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I would like to limit them under 135 GBP again. Up to this limit Bricklink collect
UK VAT, over 135 GBP it must be collected by us- what means UK VAT registration.
Interesting is we received another UK order two weeks ago which was over 135
GBP and VAT was not presented. In current order with value of 180 GBP is stated
20% UK VAT collected by Bricklink. It seems like a bug in BL setup.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Nov 27, 2021 17:50 | | Subject: | Re: UK orders limitation to 135 GBP? | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, TDH_Bricks writes:
| | In Help, Teup writes:
| | In Help, TDH_Bricks writes:
| | Hello,
can you please help where to find settings for UK orders limitation to 135 GBP?
I am sure we set up this limitation in the past but we received an order over
135 GBP today.
Thank you.
|
Over or under? Why would you want to only have orders to the UK under
135 GBP? As far as I understand those are the only ones you need to do something
for.
|
I would like to limit them under 135 GBP again. Up to this limit Bricklink collect
UK VAT, over 135 GBP it must be collected by us- what means UK VAT registration.
|
Uhm, the other way around.. VAT is due upon import when over GBP 135 -
so the buyer takes care of it in this case, they will need to pay VAT to the
local authorities to receive the order. Under 135 the seller needs to collect
it, and be registered with the British government (in this case, Bricklink has
done this for its sellers, it collects the VAT and remits it), and attach an
invoice that shows that VAT has already been collected. Over 135 GBP, AFAIK,
there's nothing you need to do.
I only accept UK orders over 135 GBP, because I don't have a printer 
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TDH_Bricks | | Posted: | Nov 28, 2021 15:40 | | Subject: | Re: UK orders limitation to 135 GBP? | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Teup writes:
| | In Help, TDH_Bricks writes:
| | In Help, Teup writes:
| | In Help, TDH_Bricks writes:
| | Hello,
can you please help where to find settings for UK orders limitation to 135 GBP?
I am sure we set up this limitation in the past but we received an order over
135 GBP today.
Thank you.
|
Over or under? Why would you want to only have orders to the UK under
135 GBP? As far as I understand those are the only ones you need to do something
for.
|
I would like to limit them under 135 GBP again. Up to this limit Bricklink collect
UK VAT, over 135 GBP it must be collected by us- what means UK VAT registration.
|
Uhm, the other way around.. VAT is due upon import when over GBP 135 -
so the buyer takes care of it in this case, they will need to pay VAT to the
local authorities to receive the order. Under 135 the seller needs to collect
it, and be registered with the British government (in this case, Bricklink has
done this for its sellers, it collects the VAT and remits it), and attach an
invoice that shows that VAT has already been collected. Over 135 GBP, AFAIK,
there's nothing you need to do.
I only accept UK orders over 135 GBP, because I don't have a printer
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Thank you, but I am not sure this is correct.
I have checked with 2 forwarders and both stated in conditions "for UK shipments
over 135GBP VAT and customs fee will be invoiced back to sender".
Can you please share link to any official UK web with statement that "VAT is
paid by recipient"? Thank you.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Nov 28, 2021 15:50 | | Subject: | Re: UK orders limitation to 135 GBP? | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, TDH_Bricks writes:
| | In Help, Teup writes:
| | In Help, TDH_Bricks writes:
| | In Help, Teup writes:
| | In Help, TDH_Bricks writes:
| | Hello,
can you please help where to find settings for UK orders limitation to 135 GBP?
I am sure we set up this limitation in the past but we received an order over
135 GBP today.
Thank you.
|
Over or under? Why would you want to only have orders to the UK under
135 GBP? As far as I understand those are the only ones you need to do something
for.
|
I would like to limit them under 135 GBP again. Up to this limit Bricklink collect
UK VAT, over 135 GBP it must be collected by us- what means UK VAT registration.
|
Uhm, the other way around.. VAT is due upon import when over GBP 135 -
so the buyer takes care of it in this case, they will need to pay VAT to the
local authorities to receive the order. Under 135 the seller needs to collect
it, and be registered with the British government (in this case, Bricklink has
done this for its sellers, it collects the VAT and remits it), and attach an
invoice that shows that VAT has already been collected. Over 135 GBP, AFAIK,
there's nothing you need to do.
I only accept UK orders over 135 GBP, because I don't have a printer
|
Thank you, but I am not sure this is correct.
I have checked with 2 forwarders and both stated in conditions "for UK shipments
over 135GBP VAT and customs fee will be invoiced back to sender".
Can you please share link to any official UK web with statement that "VAT is
paid by recipient"? Thank you.
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Which mail forwarders are you using? Most national mail services pass items to
Royal Mail and the customer pays VAT plus fees before they will deliver.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Nov 28, 2021 15:55 | | Subject: | Re: UK orders limitation to 135 GBP? | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, TDH_Bricks writes:
| | In Help, Teup writes:
| | In Help, TDH_Bricks writes:
| | In Help, Teup writes:
| | In Help, TDH_Bricks writes:
| | Hello,
can you please help where to find settings for UK orders limitation to 135 GBP?
I am sure we set up this limitation in the past but we received an order over
135 GBP today.
Thank you.
|
Over or under? Why would you want to only have orders to the UK under
135 GBP? As far as I understand those are the only ones you need to do something
for.
|
I would like to limit them under 135 GBP again. Up to this limit Bricklink collect
UK VAT, over 135 GBP it must be collected by us- what means UK VAT registration.
|
Uhm, the other way around.. VAT is due upon import when over GBP 135 -
so the buyer takes care of it in this case, they will need to pay VAT to the
local authorities to receive the order. Under 135 the seller needs to collect
it, and be registered with the British government (in this case, Bricklink has
done this for its sellers, it collects the VAT and remits it), and attach an
invoice that shows that VAT has already been collected. Over 135 GBP, AFAIK,
there's nothing you need to do.
I only accept UK orders over 135 GBP, because I don't have a printer
|
Thank you, but I am not sure this is correct.
I have checked with 2 forwarders and both stated in conditions "for UK shipments
over 135GBP VAT and customs fee will be invoiced back to sender".
Can you please share link to any official UK web with statement that "VAT is
paid by recipient"? Thank you.
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Well, when I google I just get links in Dutch, but anyway this is a good source:
The Dutch chamber of commerce. If you put this through google translate, you'll
see it says what I said:
Leveringen tot GBP 135
Voor leveringen tot een waarde van GBP 135 moet je import-btw in het VK afdragen.
Dit geldt voor alle zendingen die vanaf 1 januari 2021 het VK binnenkomen en
voor consumenten bestemd zijn.
(up to GBP 135: the seller must remit VAT)
Leveringen vanaf GBP 135
Voor leveringen vanaf GBP 135 geldt dat je afnemer invoer-btw moet afdragen.
Je bedrijf heeft geen btw-registratie in het VK nodig. Mogelijk moet je Britse
klant wel invoerrechten en inklaringskosten betalen. Wanneer je producten van
preferentiële EU-oorsprong zijn, is het betalen van invoerrechten in principe
niet nodig.
(over GBP 135: the buyer pays import-VAT, seller does not need British VAT registration)
https://www.kvk.nl/advies-en-informatie/internationaal-ondernemen/e-commerce/e-commerce-in-verenigd-koninkrijk/
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | stevetq2 | | Posted: | Nov 29, 2021 17:24 | | Subject: | Re: UK orders limitation to 135 GBP? | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| The default is that the buyer pays any import tax or duty (it's the same
the world over), however due to Brexit that has changed so the seller does it
up to £135 (via BrickLink in this case), however as EU countries are NOT following
the rules they are also charging VAT on orders under £135 to the buyer before
they will release it. That's why most UK sellers are no longer selling to
the EU and why I have also stopped doing so, therefore I don't see the point
of the new feature BrickLink have introduced for sellers who breach the £10,000
sales limit as such sellers will be few and far between. Don't bother shipping
to the EU unless the order is greater than £135 otherwise buyers are highly likely
to get double charged VAT and they will understandably leave negative comments.
Steve
In Help, Teup writes:
| | In Help, TDH_Bricks writes:
| | In Help, Teup writes:
| | In Help, TDH_Bricks writes:
| | In Help, Teup writes:
| | In Help, TDH_Bricks writes:
| | Hello,
can you please help where to find settings for UK orders limitation to 135 GBP?
I am sure we set up this limitation in the past but we received an order over
135 GBP today.
Thank you.
|
Over or under? Why would you want to only have orders to the UK under
135 GBP? As far as I understand those are the only ones you need to do something
for.
|
I would like to limit them under 135 GBP again. Up to this limit Bricklink collect
UK VAT, over 135 GBP it must be collected by us- what means UK VAT registration.
|
Uhm, the other way around.. VAT is due upon import when over GBP 135 -
so the buyer takes care of it in this case, they will need to pay VAT to the
local authorities to receive the order. Under 135 the seller needs to collect
it, and be registered with the British government (in this case, Bricklink has
done this for its sellers, it collects the VAT and remits it), and attach an
invoice that shows that VAT has already been collected. Over 135 GBP, AFAIK,
there's nothing you need to do.
I only accept UK orders over 135 GBP, because I don't have a printer
|
Thank you, but I am not sure this is correct.
I have checked with 2 forwarders and both stated in conditions "for UK shipments
over 135GBP VAT and customs fee will be invoiced back to sender".
Can you please share link to any official UK web with statement that "VAT is
paid by recipient"? Thank you.
|
Well, when I google I just get links in Dutch, but anyway this is a good source:
The Dutch chamber of commerce. If you put this through google translate, you'll
see it says what I said:
Leveringen tot GBP 135
Voor leveringen tot een waarde van GBP 135 moet je import-btw in het VK afdragen.
Dit geldt voor alle zendingen die vanaf 1 januari 2021 het VK binnenkomen en
voor consumenten bestemd zijn.
(up to GBP 135: the seller must remit VAT)
Leveringen vanaf GBP 135
Voor leveringen vanaf GBP 135 geldt dat je afnemer invoer-btw moet afdragen.
Je bedrijf heeft geen btw-registratie in het VK nodig. Mogelijk moet je Britse
klant wel invoerrechten en inklaringskosten betalen. Wanneer je producten van
preferentiële EU-oorsprong zijn, is het betalen van invoerrechten in principe
niet nodig.
(over GBP 135: the buyer pays import-VAT, seller does not need British VAT registration)
https://www.kvk.nl/advies-en-informatie/internationaal-ondernemen/e-commerce/e-commerce-in-verenigd-koninkrijk/
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Nov 30, 2021 03:37 | | Subject: | Re: UK orders limitation to 135 GBP? | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, stevetq2 writes:
| | The default is that the buyer pays any import tax or duty (it's the same
the world over), however due to Brexit that has changed so the seller does it
up to £135 (via BrickLink in this case),
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The £135 limit and online marketplaces has nothing to do with Brexit. The only
link to Brexit is that we have to pay the import VAT on items sent from more
countries (the EU). If Brexit had not happened, the same system would be in place
but we would not need to pay any VAT on import from EU countries.
| | however as EU countries are NOT following
the rules they are also charging VAT on orders under £135 to the buyer before
they will release it. That's why most UK sellers are no longer selling to
the EU and why I have also stopped doing so, therefore I don't see the point
of the new feature BrickLink have introduced for sellers who breach the £10,000
sales limit as such sellers will be few and far between. Don't bother shipping
to the EU unless the order is greater than £135 otherwise buyers are highly likely
to get double charged VAT and they will understandably leave negative comments.
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These errors affect not just UK sellers, but all sellers shipping into the EU
(and any countries wrongly double charging any already collected tax).
The sales threshold which that new feature covers also applies to EU sellers
selling to other EU countries so is useful there. At least if implemented correctly,
a lot of EU sellers think it is still flawed.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TDH_Bricks | | Posted: | Nov 30, 2021 04:56 | | Subject: | Re: UK orders limitation to 135 GBP? | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Teup writes:
| | In Help, TDH_Bricks writes:
| | In Help, Teup writes:
| | In Help, TDH_Bricks writes:
| | In Help, Teup writes:
| | In Help, TDH_Bricks writes:
| | Hello,
can you please help where to find settings for UK orders limitation to 135 GBP?
I am sure we set up this limitation in the past but we received an order over
135 GBP today.
Thank you.
|
Over or under? Why would you want to only have orders to the UK under
135 GBP? As far as I understand those are the only ones you need to do something
for.
|
I would like to limit them under 135 GBP again. Up to this limit Bricklink collect
UK VAT, over 135 GBP it must be collected by us- what means UK VAT registration.
|
Uhm, the other way around.. VAT is due upon import when over GBP 135 -
so the buyer takes care of it in this case, they will need to pay VAT to the
local authorities to receive the order. Under 135 the seller needs to collect
it, and be registered with the British government (in this case, Bricklink has
done this for its sellers, it collects the VAT and remits it), and attach an
invoice that shows that VAT has already been collected. Over 135 GBP, AFAIK,
there's nothing you need to do.
I only accept UK orders over 135 GBP, because I don't have a printer
|
Thank you, but I am not sure this is correct.
I have checked with 2 forwarders and both stated in conditions "for UK shipments
over 135GBP VAT and customs fee will be invoiced back to sender".
Can you please share link to any official UK web with statement that "VAT is
paid by recipient"? Thank you.
|
Well, when I google I just get links in Dutch, but anyway this is a good source:
The Dutch chamber of commerce. If you put this through google translate, you'll
see it says what I said:
Leveringen tot GBP 135
Voor leveringen tot een waarde van GBP 135 moet je import-btw in het VK afdragen.
Dit geldt voor alle zendingen die vanaf 1 januari 2021 het VK binnenkomen en
voor consumenten bestemd zijn.
(up to GBP 135: the seller must remit VAT)
Leveringen vanaf GBP 135
Voor leveringen vanaf GBP 135 geldt dat je afnemer invoer-btw moet afdragen.
Je bedrijf heeft geen btw-registratie in het VK nodig. Mogelijk moet je Britse
klant wel invoerrechten en inklaringskosten betalen. Wanneer je producten van
preferentiële EU-oorsprong zijn, is het betalen van invoerrechten in principe
niet nodig.
(over GBP 135: the buyer pays import-VAT, seller does not need British VAT registration)
https://www.kvk.nl/advies-en-informatie/internationaal-ondernemen/e-commerce/e-commerce-in-verenigd-koninkrijk/
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I am still not sure it is correct. Please this article on UK GOV web:
https://www.gov.uk/vat-registration/when-to-register
Most important is following part:
Businesses outside the UK
There’s no threshold if neither you nor your business is based in the UK. You
must register as soon as you supply any goods and services to the UK (or if you
expect to in the next 30 days).
My summary is that below 135 GBP registration and VAT collecting is covered by
Bricklink. For shipments over 135 GPB this is responsibility of Seller.
See this link too, section "VAT":
https://www.gov.uk/goods-sent-from-abroad/tax-and-duty
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Nov 30, 2021 05:09 | | Subject: | Re: UK orders limitation to 135 GBP? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, TDH_Bricks writes:
| | I am still not sure it is correct. Please this article on UK GOV web:
https://www.gov.uk/vat-registration/when-to-register
Most important is following part:
Businesses outside the UK
There’s no threshold if neither you nor your business is based in the UK. You
must register as soon as you supply any goods and services to the UK (or if you
expect to in the next 30 days).
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This is correct, dealing with the UK = being registered there. Bricklink, which
in this case is the seller, is.
| | My summary is that below 135 GBP registration and VAT collecting is covered by
Bricklink. For shipments over 135 GPB this is responsibility of Seller.
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I think the problem is you're confusing the threshold of annual turnover
with the threshold of the order value. If you deal with the UK, no matter how
much turnover annually have, you must be registered there. Then, whenever you
ship to the UK, you use this (Bricklink's) registration for orders up to
GBP 135. For orders over GBP 135 you don't use it.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TDH_Bricks | | Posted: | Dec 1, 2021 02:48 | | Subject: | Re: UK orders limitation to 135 GBP? | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, Teup writes:
| | In Help, TDH_Bricks writes:
| | I am still not sure it is correct. Please this article on UK GOV web:
https://www.gov.uk/vat-registration/when-to-register
Most important is following part:
Businesses outside the UK
There’s no threshold if neither you nor your business is based in the UK. You
must register as soon as you supply any goods and services to the UK (or if you
expect to in the next 30 days).
|
This is correct, dealing with the UK = being registered there. Bricklink, which
in this case is the seller, is.
| | My summary is that below 135 GBP registration and VAT collecting is covered by
Bricklink. For shipments over 135 GPB this is responsibility of Seller.
|
I think the problem is you're confusing the threshold of annual turnover
with the threshold of the order value. If you deal with the UK, no matter how
much turnover annually have, you must be registered there. Then, whenever you
ship to the UK, you use this (Bricklink's) registration for orders up to
GBP 135. For orders over GBP 135 you don't use it.
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Okay, thank you, now it seems clear to me.
Because we are not registered in the UK and do not plan to register there we
cannot not sell/ship any shipment over 135 GBP to the UK.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Dec 1, 2021 03:13 | | Subject: | Re: UK orders limitation to 135 GBP? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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Okay, thank you, now it seems clear to me.
Because we are not registered in the UK and do not plan to register there we
cannot not sell/ship any shipment over 135 GBP to the UK.
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A UK buyer would pay the tax on import on £135+.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Dec 1, 2021 03:27 | | Subject: | Re: UK orders limitation to 135 GBP? | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, TDH_Bricks writes:
| | In Help, Teup writes:
| | In Help, TDH_Bricks writes:
| | I am still not sure it is correct. Please this article on UK GOV web:
https://www.gov.uk/vat-registration/when-to-register
Most important is following part:
Businesses outside the UK
There’s no threshold if neither you nor your business is based in the UK. You
must register as soon as you supply any goods and services to the UK (or if you
expect to in the next 30 days).
|
This is correct, dealing with the UK = being registered there. Bricklink, which
in this case is the seller, is.
| | My summary is that below 135 GBP registration and VAT collecting is covered by
Bricklink. For shipments over 135 GPB this is responsibility of Seller.
|
I think the problem is you're confusing the threshold of annual turnover
with the threshold of the order value. If you deal with the UK, no matter how
much turnover annually have, you must be registered there. Then, whenever you
ship to the UK, you use this (Bricklink's) registration for orders up to
GBP 135. For orders over GBP 135 you don't use it.
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Okay, thank you, now it seems clear to me.
Because we are not registered in the UK and do not plan to register there we
cannot not sell/ship any shipment over 135 GBP to the UK.
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Huh? The whole point was that for selling over 135 GBP you don't need anything.
Below 135 GBP you need to attach an invoice to prove that VAT was collected,
over 135 GBP the order excludes VAT and the buyer pays it upon import so you
don't need to do anything.
And as I said, you *always* need to be registered in order to be able to sell
to the UK, value is irrelevant, but in this case Bricklink is registered for
its sellers.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Nov 27, 2021 18:13 | | Subject: | Re: UK orders limitation to 135 GBP? | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Help | |
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| In Help, TDH_Bricks writes:
| | I would like to limit them under 135 GBP again. Up to this limit Bricklink collect
UK VAT, over 135 GBP it must be collected by us- what means UK VAT registration.
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No, you don't need to collect it - you just send the package on its merry
way and Royal Mail will collect the VAT.
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