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| | | Author: | novabrick  | | Posted: | Nov 23, 2020 03:02 | | Subject: | What is an animal what a figure? | | Viewed: | 126 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| Take The main antangonist of TMNT usually within his robot body
in the technodrome but still an important character. But I guess if you type
in Kraang you'll easily find him.
But
I looked at Animal Air for a few minutes before finding him in elves.
Look, I know 80s-90s kids shows but the deeper lore of some LEGO themes eludes
me. Couldn't we list him as "Bat with trans Pink wings(Phyll)" in animal
Air instead?
Even old Scooby-Doo doesn't have a Minifig entry
This would make it easier for old guys like me who can't read up on all new
LEGo themes and their characters.
Christian
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Nov 23, 2020 04:47 | | Subject: | Re: What is an animal what a figure? | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, novabrick writes:
| | Take The main antangonist of TMNT usually within his robot body
in the technodrome but still an important character. But I guess if you type
in Kraang you'll easily find him.
But
I looked at Animal Air for a few minutes before finding him in elves.
Look, I know 80s-90s kids shows but the deeper lore of some LEGO themes eludes
me. Couldn't we list him as "Bat with trans Pink wings(Phyll)" in animal
Air instead?
Even old Scooby-Doo doesn't have a Minifig entry
This would make it easier for old guys like me who can't read up on all new
LEGo themes and their characters.
Christian
novabrick-team
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Character based animals like these are a complete mess. None of them are minifigures
according to the LEGO descriptions.
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| | | | | | | Author: | novabrick | | Posted: | Nov 23, 2020 05:01 | | Subject: | Re: What is an animal what a figure? | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | Character based animals like these are a complete mess. None of them are minifigures
according to the LEGO descriptions.
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Maybe the Catmins could look into sorting this mess then? Maybe another re categorization?
Christian
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | bje | | Posted: | Nov 23, 2020 05:12 | | Subject: | Re: What is an animal what a figure? | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, novabrick writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | Character based animals like these are a complete mess. None of them are minifigures
according to the LEGO descriptions.
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Maybe the Catmins could look into sorting this mess then? Maybe another re categorization?
Christian
novabrick-team
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Your catalogue experts had made some progress until the plug got pulled
See: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=170
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1192559
and a few other posts
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Nov 23, 2020 05:20 | | Subject: | Re: What is an animal what a figure? | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, bje writes:
| | In Catalog, novabrick writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | Character based animals like these are a complete mess. None of them are minifigures
according to the LEGO descriptions.
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Maybe the Catmins could look into sorting this mess then? Maybe another re categorization?
Christian
novabrick-team
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Your catalogue experts had made some progress until the plug got pulled
See: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=170
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1192559
and a few other posts
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Even then, it needs to be clearer. For example, this sentence ...
Animals - Animals, including pets with names, are not figures unless they
are characters or otherwise display exceptional behavior.
What does that mean? What is a character if not an a lifeform that is named?
An animal like Scooby Doo, he is a pet with a name, but surely he is also a character.
What about Santa's Little Help or Snowball II. Are they high enough billing
to be characters?
is named and therefore is a character in the Elves storyline.
If you give an animal a name, do they not become a character in whatever storyline
they appear in.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | bje | | Posted: | Nov 23, 2020 05:40 | | Subject: | Re: What is an animal what a figure? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog, bje writes:
| | In Catalog, novabrick writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | Character based animals like these are a complete mess. None of them are minifigures
according to the LEGO descriptions.
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Maybe the Catmins could look into sorting this mess then? Maybe another re categorization?
Christian
novabrick-team
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Your catalogue experts had made some progress until the plug got pulled
See: https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=170
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1192559
and a few other posts
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Even then, it needs to be clearer. For example, this sentence ...
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They were still busy getting those properly done, and had plans for moving items
as well to answer Chritian also. I think these things comes in fits and starts
and the long delays in between and just makes it more of a mess and ads to the
inconsistencies.
Personally, I would prefer the sets with named characters as figures consisting
of parts and an inventory, even if just one part. That way sets with Polly can
have characters and sets without can have parts and Polly can be a figure or
an animal air part or both. Then we can search for either the part or the figure.
But of no use until we know what a complete figure is and in fact what a figure
(minifigure or otherwise) is.
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Animals - Animals, including pets with names, are not figures unless they
are characters or otherwise display exceptional behavior.
What does that mean? What is a character if not an a lifeform that is named?
An animal like Scooby Doo, he is a pet with a name, but surely he is also a character.
What about Santa's Little Help or Snowball II. Are they high enough billing
to be characters?
is named and therefore is a character in the Elves storyline.
If you give an animal a name, do they not become a character in whatever storyline
they appear in.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | novabrick | | Posted: | Nov 23, 2020 05:29 | | Subject: | Re: What is an animal what a figure? | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, bje writes:
I see
are both listed. which makes the whole thing a bit weirder. But requires
some assembly so therefore he is listed both as part and brick so he's a
rare exception. Guess I have to look through minifigs if I can't find a specific
animal or part. Since making a double listing for the bat and the character minifig
would probably make things even worse.
Christian
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | starbeanie | | Posted: | Nov 23, 2020 08:27 | | Subject: | Re: What is an animal what a figure? | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| this breaks all sorts of rules by being in the catalog twice. Lego considers
it the same thing.
In Catalog, novabrick writes:
| | In Catalog, bje writes:
I see
are both listed. which makes the whole thing a bit weirder. But requires
some assembly so therefore he is listed both as part and brick so he's a
rare exception. Guess I have to look through minifigs if I can't find a specific
animal or part. Since making a double listing for the bat and the character minifig
would probably make things even worse.
Christian
novabrick-team
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | bje | | Posted: | Nov 23, 2020 08:44 | | Subject: | Re: What is an animal what a figure? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Yet
I see it as a minifigure consisting of one part in the figure inventory. That
both the part and the minifigure are the same is immaterial. This is why we need
the definitions and consistency. It should be able to be sold as a part as well
as a complete figure if it is defined as such. Does not change the part count
on the set, does not do anything other than assign a PCC from TLG to the part,
which would not be possible if it was only there as a minifigure.
It is not in principle any different to a baseplate set.
In Catalog, starbeanie writes:
| | this breaks all sorts of rules by being in the catalog twice. Lego considers
it the same thing.
In Catalog, novabrick writes:
| | In Catalog, bje writes:
I see
are both listed. which makes the whole thing a bit weirder. But requires
some assembly so therefore he is listed both as part and brick so he's a
rare exception. Guess I have to look through minifigs if I can't find a specific
animal or part. Since making a double listing for the bat and the character minifig
would probably make things even worse.
Christian
novabrick-team
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | novabrick | | Posted: | Nov 23, 2020 09:14 | | Subject: | Re: What is an animal what a figure? | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, bje writes:
| | Yet
I see it as a minifigure consisting of one part in the figure inventory. That
both the part and the minifigure are the same is immaterial. This is why we need
the definitions and consistency. It should be able to be sold as a part as well
as a complete figure if it is defined as such. Does not change the part count
on the set, does not do anything other than assign a PCC from TLG to the part,
which would not be possible if it was only there as a minifigure.
It is not in principle any different to a baseplate set.
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https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=170
Figure Classification
Figure classification can sometimes be difficult. Therefore, this section further
clarifies how BrickLink decides if an item is a figure or not.
Figures: Characters, fantasy creatures, humans, mechanical objects, and statues.
Additional clarifications listed below.
| | Characters - These typically have a face and a name, but always display sentient behavior beyond that of a similar animal or object.
Costumed Figures - Figures in costume are still figures, regardless of how many figures make up the costumed assembly.
Figures Missing Parts - Assemblies may be missing an appendage, such as a skeleton with only one leg. Beyond a single missing limb, these are not figures.
Single Parts - These are figures if otherwise qualifying and must have the part number/part description added to the figure entry.
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Not figures: Non-character animals and objects and items that include another
primary function. Additional clarifications listed below.
| | Animals - Animals, including pets with names, are not figures unless they are characters or otherwise display exceptional behavior.
Primary Function - If the figure has a primary function beyond being a figure, then it is not a figure. Examples are flash drives, key chains, and soap bottles.
Representations of Humans - Holograms, pictures, video screens, and other similar items are not figures unless they actually are a human in another form.
Transformed Humans - A person transformed into a rat is an example of this distinction and the rat is not a figure.
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By this defintion this crab like thing is not a figure? They seem to be a bit
like Pokemon from what I've read just now.
Christian
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| | | | | | | Author: | BulbaNerd4000 | | Posted: | Nov 23, 2020 12:14 | | Subject: | Re: What is an animal what a figure? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog, novabrick writes:
| | Take The main antangonist of TMNT usually within his robot body
in the technodrome but still an important character. But I guess if you type
in Kraang you'll easily find him.
But
I looked at Animal Air for a few minutes before finding him in elves.
Look, I know 80s-90s kids shows but the deeper lore of some LEGO themes eludes
me. Couldn't we list him as "Bat with trans Pink wings(Phyll)" in animal
Air instead?
Even old Scooby-Doo doesn't have a Minifig entry
This would make it easier for old guys like me who can't read up on all new
LEGo themes and their characters.
Christian
novabrick-team
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Character based animals like these are a complete mess. None of them are minifigures
according to the LEGO descriptions.
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Actually, the 2013 book LEGO Minifigure Year by Year: a Visual Dictionary states
that a minifigure must consist of the standard minifig parts, and shows that
figs like skeletons and mini dolls are not figures, as they do not use enough
regular figure parts to actually count as one.
Confusing, huh?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Nov 23, 2020 12:34 | | Subject: | Re: What is an animal what a figure? | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, BulbaNerd4000 writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog, novabrick writes:
| | Take The main antangonist of TMNT usually within his robot body
in the technodrome but still an important character. But I guess if you type
in Kraang you'll easily find him.
But
I looked at Animal Air for a few minutes before finding him in elves.
Look, I know 80s-90s kids shows but the deeper lore of some LEGO themes eludes
me. Couldn't we list him as "Bat with trans Pink wings(Phyll)" in animal
Air instead?
Even old Scooby-Doo doesn't have a Minifig entry
This would make it easier for old guys like me who can't read up on all new
LEGo themes and their characters.
Christian
novabrick-team
|
Character based animals like these are a complete mess. None of them are minifigures
according to the LEGO descriptions.
|
Actually, the 2013 book LEGO Minifigure Year by Year: a Visual Dictionary states
that a minifigure must consist of the standard minifig parts, and shows that
figs like skeletons and mini dolls are not figures, as they do not use enough
regular figure parts to actually count as one.
Confusing, huh?
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Not really on LEGO's side. LEGO's definitions are really quite clear,
at least for modern sets, as they state which characters in sets are minifigures
and which are not, using language like figures, characters, droids, etc when
they are not minifigures.
For example, Barracuda Bay: "The set has 8 minifigures including Captain Redbeard,
Lady Anchor, Robin Loot and twins Port and Starboard for pirate role-play action,
plus a shark, pig, 2 parrots, 3 crabs, 2 frogs and 2 skeleton figures."
They are also clear that C-3PO is a minifigure, and R2-D2 is not: "This immersive
build is a great way to relax and reconnect with your Star Wars passion. A Dewback
LEGO figure and 2 Landspeeders complete a wonderful display piece. Bring your
Tatooine scene to life with 21 LEGO minifigures, including Luke Skywalker, Han
Solo and C-3PO, new-for-October-2020 Ponda Baba, Garindan and Labria, plus an
R2-D2 LEGO droid figure" (from the Cantina.)
It is BL's definitions that are confusing and inconsistent.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | BulbaNerd4000 | | Posted: | Nov 23, 2020 13:35 | | Subject: | Re: What is an animal what a figure? | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog, BulbaNerd4000 writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog, novabrick writes:
| | Take The main antangonist of TMNT usually within his robot body
in the technodrome but still an important character. But I guess if you type
in Kraang you'll easily find him.
But
I looked at Animal Air for a few minutes before finding him in elves.
Look, I know 80s-90s kids shows but the deeper lore of some LEGO themes eludes
me. Couldn't we list him as "Bat with trans Pink wings(Phyll)" in animal
Air instead?
Even old Scooby-Doo doesn't have a Minifig entry
This would make it easier for old guys like me who can't read up on all new
LEGo themes and their characters.
Christian
novabrick-team
|
Character based animals like these are a complete mess. None of them are minifigures
according to the LEGO descriptions.
|
Actually, the 2013 book LEGO Minifigure Year by Year: a Visual Dictionary states
that a minifigure must consist of the standard minifig parts, and shows that
figs like skeletons and mini dolls are not figures, as they do not use enough
regular figure parts to actually count as one.
Confusing, huh?
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Not really on LEGO's side. LEGO's definitions are really quite clear,
at least for modern sets, as they state which characters in sets are minifigures
and which are not, using language like figures, characters, droids, etc when
they are not minifigures.
For example, Barracuda Bay: "The set has 8 minifigures including Captain Redbeard,
Lady Anchor, Robin Loot and twins Port and Starboard for pirate role-play action,
plus a shark, pig, 2 parrots, 3 crabs, 2 frogs and 2 skeleton figures."
They are also clear that C-3PO is a minifigure, and R2-D2 is not: "This immersive
build is a great way to relax and reconnect with your Star Wars passion. A Dewback
LEGO figure and 2 Landspeeders complete a wonderful display piece. Bring your
Tatooine scene to life with 21 LEGO minifigures, including Luke Skywalker, Han
Solo and C-3PO, new-for-October-2020 Ponda Baba, Garindan and Labria, plus an
R2-D2 LEGO droid figure" (from the Cantina.)
It is BL's definitions that are confusing and inconsistent.
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The confusing thing is that they state they are not minifigures, then proceed
to include them and tons of variants in a book ABOUT minifigures
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| | | | | Author: | runner.caller | | Posted: | Nov 23, 2020 14:41 | | Subject: | Re: What is an animal what a figure? | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, novabrick writes:
| | Take The main antangonist of TMNT usually within his robot body
in the technodrome but still an important character. But I guess if you type
in Kraang you'll easily find him.
But
I looked at Animal Air for a few minutes before finding him in elves.
Look, I know 80s-90s kids shows but the deeper lore of some LEGO themes eludes
me. Couldn't we list him as "Bat with trans Pink wings(Phyll)" in animal
Air instead?
Even old Scooby-Doo doesn't have a Minifig entry
This would make it easier for old guys like me who can't read up on all new
LEGo themes and their characters.
Christian
novabrick-team
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oh yes! I remember tripping up on
a few times.
Always searched "headgear, brain" to no avail.
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