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 Author: jason_ni View Messages Posted By jason_ni
 Posted: May 17, 2020 03:44
 Subject: Early version of model - non lego bricks?
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This was on ebay, aware its a seperate site, but maybe someone with lego knowledge
could maybe confirm?
So without boring you with all the details, I purchased what was listed and advertised
as "Lego Imperial Flagship".
The box arrives yesterday, and straight away it doesn't look good, there
was no padding/bubble wrap, and I can see that the bricks are not stamped as
lego. They look like a knock off 3rd party version.
(images here - https://imgur.com/a/t2NwPkX)

He is claiming that the ship was given to him, by his uncle, who worked as a
product designer at lego( no name for his uncle, but he name drops Kirk Christensen
as having worked on the design with his uncle (former CEO none the less(Kirk
junior retired as CEO in 2004, am assuming he wasn't talking about the founder
who died in 1958), and that early prototype models will not have the stamps.
This sounds highly dubious to me, why would Lego have a separate line to print,
non labeled lego for production design?

He is claiming the images I sent, of the box was not what he sent, as he bubble
wrapped it, which is lie unless royal mail opened it, removed the wrap and resealed
it.

He also offered a partial refund of £100, claiming it was legit lego, just with
"no markins".

Then further down the he claims how does he know that I haven't switched
out his legit with a fake. He is also saying there is nowhere in the UK for
me to return it to, as he has gone to Iraq with the army, and will be moving
to his parents in Australia. This whole thing stinks of BS, but part of me is
slightly concerned that ebay will somehow not side with me, its soured my recent
fall back in love with all things lego!

I'll reach out to lego directly, but not sure they will get back to me, appreciate
any thoughts.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: May 17, 2020 04:00
 Subject: Re: Early version of model - non lego bricks?
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In LEGO, jason_ni writes:
  This was on ebay, aware its a seperate site, but maybe someone with lego knowledge
could maybe confirm?
So without boring you with all the details, I purchased what was listed and advertised
as "Lego Imperial Flagship".
The box arrives yesterday, and straight away it doesn't look good, there
was no padding/bubble wrap, and I can see that the bricks are not stamped as
lego. They look like a knock off 3rd party version.
(images here - https://imgur.com/a/t2NwPkX)

He is claiming that the ship was given to him, by his uncle, who worked as a
product designer at lego( no name for his uncle, but he name drops Kirk Christensen
as having worked on the design with his uncle (former CEO none the less(Kirk
junior retired as CEO in 2004, am assuming he wasn't talking about the founder
who died in 1958), and that early prototype models will not have the stamps.
This sounds highly dubious to me, why would Lego have a separate line to print,
non labeled lego for production design?

He is claiming the images I sent, of the box was not what he sent, as he bubble
wrapped it, which is lie unless royal mail opened it, removed the wrap and resealed
it.

He also offered a partial refund of £100, claiming it was legit lego, just with
"no markins".

Then further down the he claims how does he know that I haven't switched
out his legit with a fake. He is also saying there is nowhere in the UK for
me to return it to, as he has gone to Iraq with the army, and will be moving
to his parents in Australia. This whole thing stinks of BS, but part of me is
slightly concerned that ebay will somehow not side with me, its soured my recent
fall back in love with all things lego!

I'll reach out to lego directly, but not sure they will get back to me, appreciate
any thoughts.

I am very sorry that this has happened to you. Unfortunately, the set is obviously
a fake. LEGO products always have the LEGO logo on the studs. I would bet that
it is a set manufactured by a Chinese clone brand, most likely LEPIN or Enlighten.
You are definitely entitled to receiving a full refund for the transaction, and
ebay should side with you.

Cheers,
Randy
 Author: peregrinator View Messages Posted By peregrinator
 Posted: May 17, 2020 12:09
 Subject: Re: Early version of model - non lego bricks?
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In LEGO, randyf writes:
  In LEGO, jason_ni writes:
  This was on ebay, aware its a seperate site, but maybe someone with lego knowledge
could maybe confirm?
So without boring you with all the details, I purchased what was listed and advertised
as "Lego Imperial Flagship".
The box arrives yesterday, and straight away it doesn't look good, there
was no padding/bubble wrap, and I can see that the bricks are not stamped as
lego. They look like a knock off 3rd party version.
(images here - https://imgur.com/a/t2NwPkX)

He is claiming that the ship was given to him, by his uncle, who worked as a
product designer at lego( no name for his uncle, but he name drops Kirk Christensen
as having worked on the design with his uncle (former CEO none the less(Kirk
junior retired as CEO in 2004, am assuming he wasn't talking about the founder
who died in 1958), and that early prototype models will not have the stamps.
This sounds highly dubious to me, why would Lego have a separate line to print,
non labeled lego for production design?

He is claiming the images I sent, of the box was not what he sent, as he bubble
wrapped it, which is lie unless royal mail opened it, removed the wrap and resealed
it.

He also offered a partial refund of £100, claiming it was legit lego, just with
"no markins".

Then further down the he claims how does he know that I haven't switched
out his legit with a fake. He is also saying there is nowhere in the UK for
me to return it to, as he has gone to Iraq with the army, and will be moving
to his parents in Australia. This whole thing stinks of BS, but part of me is
slightly concerned that ebay will somehow not side with me, its soured my recent
fall back in love with all things lego!

I'll reach out to lego directly, but not sure they will get back to me, appreciate
any thoughts.

I am very sorry that this has happened to you. Unfortunately, the set is obviously
a fake. LEGO products always have the LEGO logo on the studs. I would bet that
it is a set manufactured by a Chinese clone brand, most likely LEPIN or Enlighten.
You are definitely entitled to receiving a full refund for the transaction, and
ebay should side with you.

Cheers,
Randy

Not only do Lego products always have the LEGO logo on the studs, newer product
certainly doesn't have such obvious sprue marks on the bricks (and older
products' sprue marks would tend to be on the side).
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: May 17, 2020 04:02
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In LEGO, jason_ni writes:
  This was on ebay, aware its a seperate site, but maybe someone with lego knowledge
could maybe confirm?
So without boring you with all the details, I purchased what was listed and advertised
as "Lego Imperial Flagship".
The box arrives yesterday, and straight away it doesn't look good, there
was no padding/bubble wrap, and I can see that the bricks are not stamped as
lego. They look like a knock off 3rd party version.
(images here - https://imgur.com/a/t2NwPkX)

He is claiming that the ship was given to him, by his uncle, who worked as a
product designer at lego( no name for his uncle, but he name drops Kirk Christensen
as having worked on the design with his uncle (former CEO none the less(Kirk
junior retired as CEO in 2004, am assuming he wasn't talking about the founder
who died in 1958), and that early prototype models will not have the stamps.
This sounds highly dubious to me, why would Lego have a separate line to print,
non labeled lego for production design?

He is claiming the images I sent, of the box was not what he sent, as he bubble
wrapped it, which is lie unless royal mail opened it, removed the wrap and resealed
it.

He also offered a partial refund of £100, claiming it was legit lego, just with
"no markins".

Then further down the he claims how does he know that I haven't switched
out his legit with a fake. He is also saying there is nowhere in the UK for
me to return it to, as he has gone to Iraq with the army, and will be moving
to his parents in Australia. This whole thing stinks of BS, but part of me is
slightly concerned that ebay will somehow not side with me, its soured my recent
fall back in love with all things lego!

I'll reach out to lego directly, but not sure they will get back to me, appreciate
any thoughts.

Lepin made a direct copy of the Imperial Flagship. I imagine you have bought
copy of that, along with a nice little made up story.
 Author: Legoboy_II View Messages Posted By Legoboy_II
 Posted: May 17, 2020 09:51
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"nice little made up story"? I'd say it is a mean ol' whopper of a story,
even a fisherman would be proud of it's girth.

Seriously, though, I feel for you, jason_ni, it's never a good thing to be
betrayed like that. Been there, done that, it stinks.

I agree, though, ebay should refund you. As long as you have the right documentation
and such, I've never had an issue with ebay doing the right thing when the
seller wouldn't.

Good luck, I'm sure you will prevail,
James
 Author: iprice View Messages Posted By iprice
 Posted: May 17, 2020 06:39
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In LEGO, jason_ni writes:
  This was on ebay, aware its a seperate site, but maybe someone with lego knowledge
could maybe confirm?
So without boring you with all the details, I purchased what was listed and advertised
as "Lego Imperial Flagship".
The box arrives yesterday, and straight away it doesn't look good, there
was no padding/bubble wrap, and I can see that the bricks are not stamped as
lego. They look like a knock off 3rd party version.
(images here - https://imgur.com/a/t2NwPkX)

He is claiming that the ship was given to him, by his uncle, who worked as a
product designer at lego( no name for his uncle, but he name drops Kirk Christensen
as having worked on the design with his uncle (former CEO none the less(Kirk
junior retired as CEO in 2004, am assuming he wasn't talking about the founder
who died in 1958), and that early prototype models will not have the stamps.
This sounds highly dubious to me, why would Lego have a separate line to print,
non labeled lego for production design?

He is claiming the images I sent, of the box was not what he sent, as he bubble
wrapped it, which is lie unless royal mail opened it, removed the wrap and resealed
it.

He also offered a partial refund of £100, claiming it was legit lego, just with
"no markins".

Then further down the he claims how does he know that I haven't switched
out his legit with a fake. He is also saying there is nowhere in the UK for
me to return it to, as he has gone to Iraq with the army, and will be moving
to his parents in Australia. This whole thing stinks of BS, but part of me is
slightly concerned that ebay will somehow not side with me, its soured my recent
fall back in love with all things lego!

I'll reach out to lego directly, but not sure they will get back to me, appreciate
any thoughts.

Start an eBay investigation - "Item not as described" They are 100% likely to
side in your favour and will refund 100% (inc shipping).

Don't enter into any further talk with the seller.
 Author: jason_ni View Messages Posted By jason_ni
 Posted: May 20, 2020 08:22
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In LEGO, jason_ni writes:
  This was on ebay, aware its a seperate site, but maybe someone with lego knowledge
could maybe confirm?
So without boring you with all the details, I purchased what was listed and advertised
as "Lego Imperial Flagship".
The box arrives yesterday, and straight away it doesn't look good, there
was no padding/bubble wrap, and I can see that the bricks are not stamped as
lego. They look like a knock off 3rd party version.
(images here - https://imgur.com/a/t2NwPkX)

He is claiming that the ship was given to him, by his uncle, who worked as a
product designer at lego( no name for his uncle, but he name drops Kirk Christensen
as having worked on the design with his uncle (former CEO none the less(Kirk
junior retired as CEO in 2004, am assuming he wasn't talking about the founder
who died in 1958), and that early prototype models will not have the stamps.
This sounds highly dubious to me, why would Lego have a separate line to print,
non labeled lego for production design?

He is claiming the images I sent, of the box was not what he sent, as he bubble
wrapped it, which is lie unless royal mail opened it, removed the wrap and resealed
it.

He also offered a partial refund of £100, claiming it was legit lego, just with
"no markins".

Then further down the he claims how does he know that I haven't switched
out his legit with a fake. He is also saying there is nowhere in the UK for
me to return it to, as he has gone to Iraq with the army, and will be moving
to his parents in Australia. This whole thing stinks of BS, but part of me is
slightly concerned that ebay will somehow not side with me, its soured my recent
fall back in love with all things lego!

I'll reach out to lego directly, but not sure they will get back to me, appreciate
any thoughts.

Just an update, the seller is still claiming its real Lego, but I've been
able to find alot of evidence to prove otherwise, and will wait for ebay to come
in and decide at this point.
He said he had found the original instructions to prove it was legit, and a quick
google search turned up the original version of the image that he had pulled
from another website. Uploaded to the dispute, so counters his argument!

Also the torsos are completely wrong, this was an interesting read on that:
https://ramblingbrick.com/2018/04/23/forty-years-of-minifigures-some-of-the-changes-are-on-the-inside/

And finally I contacted one of the design managers on Lego Group on twitter,
on the off chance he would reply, and pretty much backs up what you all said:
"Hi Jason. We use existing LEGO bricks to design our sets. Even prototype LEGO
Bricks have the LEGO logo on the studs.

Every genuine LEGO Brick has element numbers and mound cavity numbers mounded
on the inside of the brick. And the LEGO name mounded on top of solid studs."

So uploaded that as well to the dispute. Should be pretty much case closed!

He's gone off on a tangent now, suggesting that someone at royal mail has
tampered with the box and opened it, as when he sent it there was bubble wrap.
He is committed to the story thats for sure!
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
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The fact that he has found a picture on the internet and uploaded that as "proof"
should indicate to paypal that he is a fraudster. And I think that is correct
now, it is not an honest mistake that he thought it was LEGO, but he is now clearly
knowingly passing off a fake set as genuine.
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File an INAD (item not as described) case on ebay. He will either refund you,
offer you a partial refund (refuse this) or send you a label to return it. If
he does not refund you after the return you will have to call ebay to force the
refund.


Ebay will side with you here.