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 Author: avictor View Messages Posted By avictor
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Try not to buy lego from people near you. Note: COVIT-19 can stay in an object
for up to 2-7 days!
 Author: manganschlamm View Messages Posted By manganschlamm
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In Suggestions, avictor writes:
  Try not to buy lego from people near you. Note: COVIT-19 can stay in an object
for up to 2-7 days!


Before starting to spread panic and fear, you should 1) make sure you spell COVID-19
correct, 2) provide some sort of scientific evidence for your claims, and 3)
run your two short sentences through a spelling checker so that it does not become
too obvious that your are probably from a troll factory in St. Petersburg.
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In General, manganschlamm writes:
  In Suggestions, avictor writes:
  Try not to buy lego from people near you. Note: COVIT-19 can stay in an object
for up to 2-7 days!


Before starting to spread panic and fear, you should 1) make sure you spell COVID-19
correct, 2) provide some sort of scientific evidence for your claims, and 3)
run your two short sentences through a spelling checker so that it does not become
too obvious that your are probably from a troll factory in St. Petersburg.



My money was on underage but this fits too.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Mar 25, 2020 17:34
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In General, avictor writes:
  Try not to buy lego from people near you. Note: COVIT-19 can stay in an object
for up to 2-7 days!

First of all, it is COVID-19.

Second of all, COVID-19 is the disease that appears due to infection with the
SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus. Therefore, you do not spread COVID-19, you spread the
coronavirus.

Thirdly, the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus can remain stable on different surfaces for
different lengths of time. The last data that I read showed that it can remain
stable up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to 2-3 days on plastic.

So, it's okay to buy LEGO. Just buy it, let the package sit aside for a few
days after receiving it, and then enjoy your LEGO.

Cheers,
Randy
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In General, randyf writes:
  In General, avictor writes:
  Try not to buy lego from people near you. Note: COVIT-19 can stay in an object
for up to 2-7 days!

First of all, it is COVID-19.

Second of all, COVID-19 is the disease that appears due to infection with the
SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus. Therefore, you do not spread COVID-19, you spread the
coronavirus.

Thirdly, the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus can remain stable on different surfaces for
different lengths of time. The last data that I read showed that it can remain
stable up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to 2-3 days on plastic.

So, it's okay to buy LEGO. Just buy it, let the package sit aside for a few
days after receiving it, and then enjoy your LEGO.

Cheers,
Randy

seems you beat me to it
 Author: popsicle View Messages Posted By popsicle
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In General, randyf writes:
  In General, avictor writes:
  Try not to buy lego from people near you. Note: COVIT-19 can stay in an object
for up to 2-7 days!

First of all, it is COVID-19.

Second of all, COVID-19 is the disease that appears due to infection with the
SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus. Therefore, you do not spread COVID-19, you spread the
coronavirus.

+1

  
Thirdly, the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus can remain stable on different surfaces for
different lengths of time. The last data that I read showed that it can remain
stable up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to 2-3 days on plastic.

+1

The labs I'd go with, are putting out test results of 3-4 hours on cardboard,
typically. The virus loses it's fatty lining fairly quickly on surfaces such
as cardboard.

  
So, it's okay to buy LEGO. Just buy it, let the package sit aside for a few
days after receiving it, and then enjoy your LEGO.

Solid information I ditto, Randy
 Author: legoman77 View Messages Posted By legoman77
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In General, randyf writes:

  So, it's okay to buy LEGO. Just buy it, let the package sit aside for a few
days after receiving it, and then enjoy your LEGO.

Cheers,
Randy

How can anyone let a box of Lego sit outside for a couple of days? I would have
my package opened before I got back into the house. I had no control when it
came to Lego. If my wife caught me bringing Lego into the house after I promised
not to buy anymore, the box would stay outside for a few days, along with me.
John P
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In General, legoman77 writes:
  In General, randyf writes:

  So, it's okay to buy LEGO. Just buy it, let the package sit aside for a few
days after receiving it, and then enjoy your LEGO.

Cheers,
Randy

+1


  
How can anyone let a box of Lego sit outside for a couple of days? I would have
my package opened before I got back into the house. I had no control when it
came to Lego. If my wife caught me bringing Lego into the house after I promised
not to buy anymore, the box would stay outside for a few days, along with me.
John P

+1, even though my wife buys as much as I do, maybe a little more...
 Author: infinibrix View Messages Posted By infinibrix
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In General, avictor writes:
  Try not to buy lego from people near you. Note: COVIT-19 can stay in an object
for up to 2-7 days!

Evidence suggests that the virus can last up to 72 hours on hard surfaces such
as door handles but less than an hour on cardboard/jiffy bags therefore it seems
there are more pressing concerns closer to home in our everyday life with opening
doors and visiting shops but if you take precautions to wash your hands after
touching items you significantly reduce the risks
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In General, avictor writes:
  Try not to buy lego from people near you. Note: COVIT-19 can stay in an object
for up to 2-7 days!

No, scientists can identify the virus on surfaces after up to 5 (7?) days under
a microscope. But note that this is something different than contracting the
virus. So far, as far as I know there is no evidence that you can actually get
the virus after 24 hours.
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In General, Teup writes:
  In General, avictor writes:
  Try not to buy lego from people near you. Note: COVIT-19 can stay in an object
for up to 2-7 days!

No, scientists can identify the virus on surfaces after up to 5 (7?) days under
a microscope. But note that this is something different than contracting the
virus. So far, as far as I know there is no evidence that you can actually get
the virus after 24 hours.

AFAICT, what can be identified are bits of mRNA (messenger RiboNucleicAcid, ADN’s
“twin”).
The virus itself mostly is a string of mRNA.

Therefore the questions are:

1. Are the bits parts of a still complete virus or just remaining bits not yet
totally degraded?

2. Is there enough virus to be “catchable”?

That’s why scientists may say both “we found traces after 9 days” and “it should
be safe after 24h”.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
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In General, SylvainLS writes:
  In General, Teup writes:
  In General, avictor writes:
  Try not to buy lego from people near you. Note: COVIT-19 can stay in an object
for up to 2-7 days!

No, scientists can identify the virus on surfaces after up to 5 (7?) days under
a microscope. But note that this is something different than contracting the
virus. So far, as far as I know there is no evidence that you can actually get
the virus after 24 hours.

AFAICT, what can be identified are bits of mRNA (messenger RiboNucleicAcid, ADN’s
“twin”).
The virus itself mostly is a string of mRNA.

Therefore the questions are:

1. Are the bits parts of a still complete virus or just remaining bits not yet
totally degraded?

Since viruses are not alive, they cannot die. What they can do, though, is break
down and degrade, like you say. I believe for a virus to be stable, it must have
the DNA or RNA encapsulated by a lipid bilayer and have binding proteins on the
outside of that bilayer. The lipid bilayer protects the DNA or RNA from degrading
while the binding proteins are required for the virus to be able to bind to host
cells. The data I have looked at talks about stable virus cells, which probably
means the cells would still be infectious.

  2. Is there enough virus to be “catchable”?

For the virus to be catchable, it must be stable. This is why hand-washing is
so effective. Soap dissolves fats (lipids). By washing your hands with soap,
the lipid bilayer of the virus gets dissolved and releases the DNA or RNA into
the environment with no protection. Once that DNA or RNA has no protection, it
begins to degrade.

  That’s why scientists may say both “we found traces after 9 days” and “it should
be safe after 24h”.

Yep, "finding traces" usually means finding DNA or RNA that has not been degraded
beyond what the test can identify.
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In General, randyf writes:
  In General, SylvainLS writes:
  In General, Teup writes:
  In General, avictor writes:

Since viruses are not alive, they cannot die. What they can do, though, is break
down and degrade, like you say.


That sounds extremely applicable to.... Lego parts!!!
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In General, avictor writes:
  Try not to buy lego from people near you. Note: COVIT-19 can stay in an object
for up to 2-7 days!

Reading what you wrote- if i emphasize the 'near you' part of your "statement"
(?) than i agree, you should not purchase anything that isn't a necessity
in a face to face interaction (near you) but online purchases are safe and if
you want to be extra safe then the suggestions mentioned above (let the package
sit a couple days should do it.

We have been implementing socially responsible procedures in place and posted
them in our store terms; the main ones being:
- Outgoing packages are put in USPS mail buckets and picked up at our doorstep
which is only accessible to us and our mail carrier (who is a neighbor and friend)-
there is no face to face interaction with our mail carrier during these times
and we communicate by texting if necessary – WE HAVE NO NEED TO GO TO THE POST
OFFICE and risk contact with others.
- Our carrier leaves us empty USPS mail buckets to replace the full ones we left-
the buckets are immediately sanitized upon entering the house.

so if i phrase the OP differently then i agree with the OP that purchasing LEGO
(or anything else) is better done in a manner that isn't putting you near
someone.
which makes online shopping the safest way to shop.
Best wishes and good health to all.
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In General, avictor writes:
  Try not to buy lego from people near you. Note: COVIT-19 can stay in an object
for up to 2-7 days!

1. What is a COVIT?
2. Define near please - like so as near as my partner? So I cannot buy LEGO from
my partner? But is OK to buy from other people as long as they are far away (another
continent), is that what you are saying?
3. How would this thing get "in" the LEGO I am buying? Do people sit around and
inject the parts? But then the parts are anyway damaged and I will not keep such
parts for longer than the few minutes it takes me to see the puncture marks.
4. Do you think I should get a scanning elctron microscope to make sure it is
not "in" there at factory level? And what does this COVIT thing do once it is
"in" the LEGO?

If you mean that other virus taking the world by storm one toiletroll at a time,
I'm sure it cannot get "in" any LEGO. To make sure, I will wipe all my parcels
from people near to me with toiletpaper.
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In General, bje writes:
  In General, avictor writes:
  Try not to buy lego from people near you. Note: COVIT-19 can stay in an object
for up to 2-7 days!

1. What is a COVIT?
2. Define near please - like so as near as my partner? So I cannot buy LEGO from
my partner? But is OK to buy from other people as long as they are far away (another
continent), is that what you are saying?
3. How would this thing get "in" the LEGO I am buying? Do people sit around and
inject the parts? But then the parts are anyway damaged and I will not keep such
parts for longer than the few minutes it takes me to see the puncture marks.
4. Do you think I should get a scanning elctron microscope to make sure it is
not "in" there at factory level? And what does this COVIT thing do once it is
"in" the LEGO?

If you mean that other virus taking the world by storm one toiletroll at a time,
I'm sure it cannot get "in" any LEGO. To make sure, I will wipe all my parcels
from people near to me with toiletpaper.

Is it really necessary to be-little new members who post on this forum... we
all know they are referring to corvid-19 and even if their statement is possibly
inaccurate no-one truly knows the extent of coronavirus so lets not all pretend
we all know so much more about it other than what we ourselves have read or heard?

I have to wonder if one of the regulars had posted this exact same message as
the OP would they have been treated differently?. I think some people believe
they own this forum and see newbies as trespassing on their territory, perhaps
mfav thought the same or maybe I’m being unfair?
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In General, infinibrix writes:
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Is it really necessary to be-little new members who post on this forum... we
all know they are referring to corvid-19 and even if their statement is possibly
inaccurate no-one truly knows the extent of coronavirus so lets not all pretend
we all know so much more about it other than what we ourselves have read or heard?

I have to wonder if one of the regulars had posted this exact same message as
the OP would they have been treated differently?. I think some people believe
they own this forum and see newbies as trespassing on their territory, perhaps
mfav thought the same or maybe I’m being unfair?

Nope, you have an opinion. And I will happily apologise to this new member if
the tone of my message came accross as hurtful. My intention, if that was not
clear, was to provide a bit of light relief to an obviously serious situation,
but at the same time to maybe shed light on the possible misrepresenation of
information in respect of this issue.

I don't think the status of the OP as a new member or an old member or inexperienced
in the ways of BL had any actual bearing on my state of mind when I was formulating
an attempted light-hearted reply.

I definitly do not own this forum, and certainly do not want to own it. It is
not my territory, goodness, I am not a dog marking trees here. I don't know
about members motivations for posting anything, I only can know my own and post
and reply in a manner I see fit. Generally I do try to take into account what
the effect of my replies will be on the community. Again, if the OP feels uncomfortable
with the quality of my reply, I will happily apologise to him/her.
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In General, bje writes:
  In General, infinibrix writes:
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Is it really necessary to be-little new members who post on this forum... we
all know they are referring to corvid-19 and even if their statement is possibly
inaccurate no-one truly knows the extent of coronavirus so lets not all pretend
we all know so much more about it other than what we ourselves have read or heard?

I have to wonder if one of the regulars had posted this exact same message as
the OP would they have been treated differently?. I think some people believe
they own this forum and see newbies as trespassing on their territory, perhaps
mfav thought the same or maybe I’m being unfair?

Nope, you have an opinion. And I will happily apologise to this new member if
the tone of my message came accross as hurtful. My intention, if that was not
clear, was to provide a bit of light relief to an obviously serious situation,
but at the same time to maybe shed light on the possible misrepresenation of
information in respect of this issue.

I don't think the status of the OP as a new member or an old member or inexperienced
in the ways of BL had any actual bearing on my state of mind when I was formulating
an attempted light-hearted reply.

I definitly do not own this forum, and certainly do not want to own it. It is
not my territory, goodness, I am not a dog marking trees here. I don't know
about members motivations for posting anything, I only can know my own and post
and reply in a manner I see fit. Generally I do try to take into account what
the effect of my replies will be on the community. Again, if the OP feels uncomfortable
with the quality of my reply, I will happily apologise to him/her.

To be honest yours wasn’t the only somewhat frosty reply to the op and as I continued
to read I just felt more compelled to say something... but if we treated every
new member as though they could perhaps be a relative of Dan Jezek I’m sure the
BL community would be a lot more of a welcoming place!

I do respect your response though
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  In General, infinibrix writes:

  
  Is it really necessary to be-little new members who post on this forum...

Not stating my opinion on this, but I will say the series of "odd" threads started
by the OP might have had something to do with the "belittling" reaction from
some members.
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In General, avictor writes:
  Try not to buy lego from people near you. Note: COVIT-19 can stay in an object
for up to 2-7 days!

Buy Lepin instead...

(!@#$% trolls...)