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 Author: calsbricks View Messages Posted By calsbricks
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calsbricks (6025)

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Mentioned in one of the AMA responses the idea of a global cart which appears
to be a 'dream' for the current BL team.

What do you think as a buyer/seller?

Our view is it isn't feasible currently and there are far too many issues
associated with it - for example - who gets paid? If you had to use IC, and
we presume that would be the case, someone would have to collect the funds and
distribute them - how would that work?

The buyer is still going to have to pay multiple shipping fees so the only advantage
appears to be they can put everything in one cart?

Interested in stores and buyers views on this.
 Author: Rakali View Messages Posted By Rakali
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Rakali (1372)

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I think the system could work similar to cardmarket, a site used for Magic: the
Gathering.

They host sellers similar to BL, but all payments are handled through them, and
shipping charges are also set by them. Obviously this is harder on BL as its
very easy to calculate shipping on things that are always the same size like
cards, but not LEGO parts.

They charge a 5% Paypal fee, and require low feedback/new sellers to ship tracked,
and set the shipping price accordingly.

It is so much easier to buy on there than it is here. You have the same wanted
list and auto find functionality, but you get all costs up front and don't
have to deal with every sellers random bullshit terms.

My store is already compatible with this type of system, and I do wish BL would
look more into it. What we have now is an incredibly unfriendly and antiquated
system. It still works for enthusiasts, but do we not want a broader appeal?
 Author: Legoboy_II View Messages Posted By Legoboy_II
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As a buyer on several systems, I kind of like ebay's cart system (though
it has a couple of flaws, as well, but I can see all the carts and their contents).

Regardless of the system I'm on, I often times will create several carts
with the same project and then manipulate them to get my ideal order - which
doesn't always result in the lowest price, but maximizes elements for the
dollar, and I usually buy more items than I came for (I'm addicted to impulse
buying. LOL).

On BL, I end up opening multiple tabs and bouncing back and forth between them;
very time consuming and still requires a lot of memory work.

For me, if I could open a single page with all the carts and their contents viewable
as I scroll up and down, then make adjustments to quantities, as well as add
and subtract items, and the system update in real time, that would help me a
lot. Adding an undo feature would really help in this system, too.

Having said that, if I could just see all the carts and their contents on one
page, that would be a wonderful start.

As for a clearing house for making purchases, that's adding a middle man,
and that always adds to the costs. For that reason, I'd be against the idea.
 Author: StarBrick View Messages Posted By StarBrick
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In General, Legoboy_II writes:
  
On BL, I end up opening multiple tabs and bouncing back and forth between them;
very time consuming and still requires a lot of memory work.


That's my reason why I LOVE the current system: it pushes me to become not
too dependent on technology that I do not have control over. Furthermore, manually
going through the multiple tabs and shops also gives me the chance to bump into
parts I never thought of I might need.
So, a system like you describe might look great for people that have a linear
way of buying and building, but I prefer the more quantum feel of possibilities
the current environment enables me to go through. I LOVE it...!
 Author: SimplyBricks View Messages Posted By SimplyBricks
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In General, StarBrick writes:
  In General, Legoboy_II writes:
  
On BL, I end up opening multiple tabs and bouncing back and forth between them;
very time consuming and still requires a lot of memory work.


That's my reason why I LOVE the current system: it pushes me to become not
too dependent on technology that I do not have control over. Furthermore, manually
going through the multiple tabs and shops also gives me the chance to bump into
parts I never thought of I might need.
So, a system like you describe might look great for people that have a linear
way of buying and building, but I prefer the more quantum feel of possibilities
the current environment enables me to go through. I LOVE it...!


+1.
 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
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In General, SimplyBricks writes:
  In General, StarBrick writes:
  In General, Legoboy_II writes:
  
On BL, I end up opening multiple tabs and bouncing back and forth between them;
very time consuming and still requires a lot of memory work.


That's my reason why I LOVE the current system: it pushes me to become not
too dependent on technology that I do not have control over. Furthermore, manually
going through the multiple tabs and shops also gives me the chance to bump into
parts I never thought of I might need.
So, a system like you describe might look great for people that have a linear
way of buying and building, but I prefer the more quantum feel of possibilities
the current environment enables me to go through. I LOVE it...!


+1.

I agree with this as well. I think it's great how LEGO seems to really think
seriously about improving things, but I don't think we need to improve the
buying aspect in a way that turns it into some one click buying experience (and
at the expense of sellers, who are likely to get tiny orders and their inventories
get cherry-picked). Look at reward cycles in videogames. There's a certain
charm to having to make some effort or discovering your own tricks and sources.
There's nothing wrong with that. When people play Minecraft in survival mode
they can go on for weeks mining the resources for their creations. But if they're
in creative mode where everything they need is immediately readily available,
it's only fun for a few days.

I think we could make some great steps in terms of user experience for both buyers
and sellers. But making it a kind of one click on demand system is not going
increase the fun. Especially if everyone is using that same feature all the time
and there are no hidden gems to discover anymore.
 Author: calsbricks View Messages Posted By calsbricks
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In General, Teup writes:
  In General, SimplyBricks writes:
  In General, StarBrick writes:
  In General, Legoboy_II writes:
  
On BL, I end up opening multiple tabs and bouncing back and forth between them;
very time consuming and still requires a lot of memory work.


That's my reason why I LOVE the current system: it pushes me to become not
too dependent on technology that I do not have control over. Furthermore, manually
going through the multiple tabs and shops also gives me the chance to bump into
parts I never thought of I might need.
So, a system like you describe might look great for people that have a linear
way of buying and building, but I prefer the more quantum feel of possibilities
the current environment enables me to go through. I LOVE it...!


+1.

I agree with this as well. I think it's great how LEGO seems to really think
seriously about improving things, but I don't think we need to improve the
buying aspect in a way that turns it into some one click buying experience (and
at the expense of sellers, who are likely to get tiny orders and their inventories
get cherry-picked). Look at reward cycles in videogames. There's a certain
charm to having to make some effort or discovering your own tricks and sources.
There's nothing wrong with that. When people play Minecraft in survival mode
they can go on for weeks mining the resources for their creations. But if they're
in creative mode where everything they need is immediately readily available,
it's only fun for a few days.

I think we could make some great steps in terms of user experience for both buyers
and sellers. But making it a kind of one click on demand system is not going
increase the fun. Especially if everyone is using that same feature all the time
and there are no hidden gems to discover anymore.

Additional response from Teup - won't add this in
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In General, SimplyBricks writes:
  In General, StarBrick writes:
  In General, Legoboy_II writes:
  
On BL, I end up opening multiple tabs and bouncing back and forth between them;
very time consuming and still requires a lot of memory work.


That's my reason why I LOVE the current system: it pushes me to become not
too dependent on technology that I do not have control over. Furthermore, manually
going through the multiple tabs and shops also gives me the chance to bump into
parts I never thought of I might need.
So, a system like you describe might look great for people that have a linear
way of buying and building, but I prefer the more quantum feel of possibilities
the current environment enables me to go through. I LOVE it...!


+1.

Hi Mike/Emma

2 - 3 - 2 - Another one on our side
 Author: calsbricks View Messages Posted By calsbricks
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In General, StarBrick writes:
  In General, Legoboy_II writes:
  
On BL, I end up opening multiple tabs and bouncing back and forth between them;
very time consuming and still requires a lot of memory work.


That's my reason why I LOVE the current system: it pushes me to become not
too dependent on technology that I do not have control over. Furthermore, manually
going through the multiple tabs and shops also gives me the chance to bump into
parts I never thought of I might need.
So, a system like you describe might look great for people that have a linear
way of buying and building, but I prefer the more quantum feel of possibilities
the current environment enables me to go through. I LOVE it..

Ah someone on our side

2 - 2 - 2 Pretty even at present. .!
 Author: constructibles View Messages Posted By constructibles
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In General, Legoboy_II writes:
  Having said that, if I could just see all the carts and their contents on one
page, that would be a wonderful start.


This already exists... https://www.bricklink.com/v2/globalcart.page
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In General, constructibles writes:
  In General, Legoboy_II writes:
  Having said that, if I could just see all the carts and their contents on one
page, that would be a wonderful start.


This already exists... https://www.bricklink.com/v2/globalcart.page

Thank you for adding that in here - hopefully he will see it.
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In General, Legoboy_II writes:
  As a buyer on several systems, I kind of like ebay's cart system (though
it has a couple of flaws, as well, but I can see all the carts and their contents).

Regardless of the system I'm on, I often times will create several carts
with the same project and then manipulate them to get my ideal order - which
doesn't always result in the lowest price, but maximizes elements for the
dollar, and I usually buy more items than I came for (I'm addicted to impulse
buying. LOL).

On BL, I end up opening multiple tabs and bouncing back and forth between them;
very time consuming and still requires a lot of memory work.

For me, if I could open a single page with all the carts and their contents viewable
as I scroll up and down, then make adjustments to quantities, as well as add
and subtract items, and the system update in real time, that would help me a
lot. Adding an undo feature would really help in this system, too.

Having said that, if I could just see all the carts and their contents on one
page, that would be a wonderful start.

As for a clearing house for making purchases, that's adding a middle man,
and that always adds to the costs. For that reason, I'd be against the idea.

Concept okay - but not here

2 - 1 - 2
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In General, Rakali writes:
  I think the system could work similar to cardmarket, a site used for Magic: the
Gathering.

They host sellers similar to BL, but all payments are handled through them, and
shipping charges are also set by them. Obviously this is harder on BL as its
very easy to calculate shipping on things that are always the same size like
cards, but not LEGO parts.

They charge a 5% Paypal fee, and require low feedback/new sellers to ship tracked,
and set the shipping price accordingly.

It is so much easier to buy on there than it is here. You have the same wanted
list and auto find functionality, but you get all costs up front and don't
have to deal with every sellers random bullshit terms.

My store is already compatible with this type of system, and I do wish BL would
look more into it. What we have now is an incredibly unfriendly and antiquated
system. It still works for enthusiasts, but do we not want a broader appeal?

Ah yes - funds would be controlled by a combination of Bricklink and Paypal.
as per Paypal for Marketplace - not sure we would sign up to that.

That is one vote for
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In General, Rakali writes:
  
It is so much easier to buy on there than it is here. You have the same wanted
list and auto find functionality, but you get all costs up front and don't
have to deal with every sellers random bullshit terms.


Just to focus on this comment I think the answer might be for BL/Lego to try
and standardise on the terms that can be set by sellers if we're all made
to work to more reasonable and uniformed terms without fees etc etc then buyers
can shop with more confidence and whether they pay for their orders individually
or as a single bulk cart they can complete checkout without fear of being overcharged
or hit by unexpected hidden fees, Fees which should be incorporated into the
sale price of the items anyway. As far as IC goes I may be more onboard with
using this feature once I feel more confident in it becasue whilst do appreciate
IC is defeintely good for business it seems there's a little way to go yet?
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In General, infinibrix writes:
  In General, Rakali writes:
  
It is so much easier to buy on there than it is here. You have the same wanted
list and auto find functionality, but you get all costs up front and don't
have to deal with every sellers random bullshit terms.


Just to focus on this comment I think the answer might be for BL/Lego to try
and standardise on the terms that can be set by sellers if we're all made
to work to more reasonable and uniformed terms without fees etc etc then buyers
can shop with more confidence and whether they pay for their orders individually
or as a single bulk cart they can complete checkout without fear of being overcharged
or hit by unexpected hidden fees, Fees which should be incorporated into the
sale price of the items anyway. As far as IC goes I may be more onboard with
using this feature once I feel more confident in it becasue whilst do appreciate
IC is defeintely good for business it seems there's a little way to go yet?

Well said and we agree. Things could be easier and certainly better documented.
As for sellers and their terms, that is a tricky one - all stores are individuals
with their own needs to deal with - whether it be clearing out unused Lego, running
a part time or full time business - we have some similar overheads but lots of
different ones as well and I do not think TLG will want to interfere with the
free market that exists. As a matter of act I am sure they have said that several
times since the original announcement.

As long as terms are well documented and are considered in the overall total
then there should be no real harm in stores having their individual terms - and
therefore prices.

Yes there is a lot to sort out on IC for us as well as others and whether they
address that or not remains to be seen.
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 Author: cosmicray View Messages Posted By cosmicray
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  Yes, because then IC would work correctly in the U.S. We would be able to use
USPS shipping zones with Instant Checkout.

I can checkout on Amazon with multiple sellers. A Bricklink seller wouldn't
be the one to distribute the payments to the other sellers it would be Bricklink.
They would be the ones that would receive the payments and then it would be
distributed to the sellers. This could be done through PayPal Marketplaces

It would be a convenient to the buyer. As a buyer I would use it. As a seller,
I have IC. I would like to be able to use it more so I get no manual invoice
orders.

Sometime about a year or two back, PayPal implemented the ability for a venue
to present one payment to the customer, that actually represents payments to
more than one sellers. How hard this is to implement, and if BL would be a good
match, is unknown to me. At a minimum, all sellers involved in the transaction
would need to be able to produce an 'IC like' final total without manual
intervention.

Most sites I have dealt with treat shipping calculations as an afterthought.
That a site like Amazon can do this, is likely because Amazon gives sellers a
limited set of options. You either take the shipping that Amazon goes you, or
you specify something simple.

The variety of sellers, methods of shipping, products offered, and packaging
some sellers have (and others don't) make this a rather complicated problem.

Nita Rae
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In General, cosmicray writes:
  […]
Sometime about a year or two back, PayPal implemented the ability for a venue
to present one payment to the customer, that actually represents payments to
more than one sellers.

Wouldn’t that be “PayPal for Marketplace” that BL introduced a year or two back
and whose introduction generated much ado on the forum?
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In General, SylvainLS writes:
  In General, cosmicray writes:
  […]
Sometime about a year or two back, PayPal implemented the ability for a venue
to present one payment to the customer, that actually represents payments to
more than one sellers.

Wouldn’t that be “PayPal for Marketplace” that BL introduced a year or two back
and whose introduction generated much ado on the forum?

It would - but if you use IC you have signed up for it already.
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In General, cosmicray writes:
  In General, RecycledBrick writes:
  Yes, because then IC would work correctly in the U.S. We would be able to use
USPS shipping zones with Instant Checkout.

I can checkout on Amazon with multiple sellers. A Bricklink seller wouldn't
be the one to distribute the payments to the other sellers it would be Bricklink.
They would be the ones that would receive the payments and then it would be
distributed to the sellers. This could be done through PayPal Marketplaces

It would be a convenient to the buyer. As a buyer I would use it. As a seller,
I have IC. I would like to be able to use it more so I get no manual invoice
orders.

Sometime about a year or two back, PayPal implemented the ability for a venue
to present one payment to the customer, that actually represents payments to
more than one sellers. How hard this is to implement, and if BL would be a good
match, is unknown to me. At a minimum, all sellers involved in the transaction
would need to be able to produce an 'IC like' final total without manual
intervention.

Most sites I have dealt with treat shipping calculations as an afterthought.
That a site like Amazon can do this, is likely because Amazon gives sellers a
limited set of options. You either take the shipping that Amazon goes you, or
you specify something simple.

The variety of sellers, methods of shipping, products offered, and packaging
some sellers have (and others don't) make this a rather complicated problem.

Nita Rae

Another maybe? but subject to lots of changes. 2 - 0 -2
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In General, RecycledBrick writes:
  Yes, because then IC would work correctly in the U.S. We would be able to use
USPS shipping zones with Instant Checkout.

I can checkout on Amazon with multiple sellers. A Bricklink seller wouldn't
be the one to distribute the payments to the other sellers it would be Bricklink.
They would be the ones that would receive the payments and then it would be
distributed to the sellers. This could be done through PayPal Marketplaces

It would be a convenient to the buyer. As a buyer I would use it. As a seller,
I have IC. I would like to be able to use it more so I get no manual invoice
orders.

So improvements to IFC are and alsys have been required not just for the |US
but the European market as well.

Another vote for - especially the buyer - that is 2 - in favour - Hmmm.
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Morning

That idea flowed from the idea some farmer's markets or lifestyle markets
have here. In the past these markets used to operate much like stores on here:
You browse each vendor, buy and pay for whatever at the vendor. This had serious
issues for the organisers of those markets, to wit that the turnover based rentals
for space was at risk for being under-reported. Furthermore, it also meant each
that each vendor had to have a till, card payment method (very expensive) and
mobile payment method, which is not safe and not cost efficient given that some
owners of stalls were only doing sales on weekends or part time. The solution
was to hybrid a supermarket and normal market idea, namely that each store still
has its own identity, but goods are placed in 1 shopping basket with one barcode
per product. Buyers browse all stores, load up whatever they want into 1 cart
and pay at one till point managed and controlled by the market operator. This
is one point for payment, one point for collection and on exit point and each
stall owner gets his money from one point at the end of the day by way of bank
transfer.

In the BL sense, that would mean that BL would manage payments. Of course that
is not feasible at present and would require a far better and far more seller
focused management than what we presently have. Also it would require a rethink
of what a cart is and would require of sellers to opt in or out of collective
carts. Also, it would require inventory guarantees or at least availability guarantees
by sellers opting in. Again a major rethink of how BL currently operates. Furthermore,
the catalogue would have to tie in with sellers stores in a better format than
lots. The lot system will not provide a unique id required for the inventory
to be managed in a collective cart. The primary difference between this and XP
is that the combined cart is one checkout point with stores retaining individuality.
As far as identifying the transaction through paypal or card transactions - this
is just an additional step - we already have the BL_Live invoices, there is no
reason that cannot be the identifier of each individual store. Meaning of course
that it can be the identifier when there are issues as well.

For domestic orders this might be easier to manage at first. I personally would
not expect this to be working first off for international orders. Again, the
qualifier is that BL needs a lot more work. Hopefully there is a more enthusiastic
approach to development in future, it is certainly needed.

By the way – if stores are to standardise terms, shipping and charges, what would
be the point of differentiating carts, except for international orders which
might have other commercial terms?

I already sort of do this in a manual manner for domestic members of LUGs where
possible. Members advise me that they have a combined order, we make 1 shipment
and 1 shipping charge and 1 delivery point. It is a huge amount of work to check
the shipping volumes as there is no way to do the volume restriction, but so
far, cross fingers, it has worked. It would be miles better if the process was
automated.

Conversely, I used to buy like this frequently on scale model builder's ring
sites. Never a problem.



In General, calsbricks writes:
  Mentioned in one of the AMA responses the idea of a global cart which appears
to be a 'dream' for the current BL team.

What do you think as a buyer/seller?

Our view is it isn't feasible currently and there are far too many issues
associated with it - for example - who gets paid? If you had to use IC, and
we presume that would be the case, someone would have to collect the funds and
distribute them - how would that work?

The buyer is still going to have to pay multiple shipping fees so the only advantage
appears to be they can put everything in one cart?

Interested in stores and buyers views on this.
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In General, bje writes:
  Morning

That idea flowed from the idea some farmer's markets or lifestyle markets
have here. In the past these markets used to operate much like stores on here:
You browse each vendor, buy and pay for whatever at the vendor. This had serious
issues for the organisers of those markets, to wit that the turnover based rentals
for space was at risk for being under-reported. Furthermore, it also meant each
that each vendor had to have a till, card payment method (very expensive) and
mobile payment method, which is not safe and not cost efficient given that some
owners of stalls were only doing sales on weekends or part time. The solution
was to hybrid a supermarket and normal market idea, namely that each store still
has its own identity, but goods are placed in 1 shopping basket with one barcode
per product. Buyers browse all stores, load up whatever they want into 1 cart
and pay at one till point managed and controlled by the market operator. This
is one point for payment, one point for collection and on exit point and each
stall owner gets his money from one point at the end of the day by way of bank
transfer.

In the BL sense, that would mean that BL would manage payments. Of course that
is not feasible at present and would require a far better and far more seller
focused management than what we presently have. Also it would require a rethink
of what a cart is and would require of sellers to opt in or out of collective
carts. Also, it would require inventory guarantees or at least availability guarantees
by sellers opting in. Again a major rethink of how BL currently operates. Furthermore,
the catalogue would have to tie in with sellers stores in a better format than
lots. The lot system will not provide a unique id required for the inventory
to be managed in a collective cart. The primary difference between this and XP
is that the combined cart is one checkout point with stores retaining individuality.
As far as identifying the transaction through paypal or card transactions - this
is just an additional step - we already have the BL_Live invoices, there is no
reason that cannot be the identifier of each individual store. Meaning of course
that it can be the identifier when there are issues as well.

For domestic orders this might be easier to manage at first. I personally would
not expect this to be working first off for international orders. Again, the
qualifier is that BL needs a lot more work. Hopefully there is a more enthusiastic
approach to development in future, it is certainly needed.

By the way – if stores are to standardise terms, shipping and charges, what would
be the point of differentiating carts, except for international orders which
might have other commercial terms?

I already sort of do this in a manual manner for domestic members of LUGs where
possible. Members advise me that they have a combined order, we make 1 shipment
and 1 shipping charge and 1 delivery point. It is a huge amount of work to check
the shipping volumes as there is no way to do the volume restriction, but so
far, cross fingers, it has worked. It would be miles better if the process was
automated.

Conversely, I used to buy like this frequently on scale model builder's ring
sites. Never a problem.



In General, calsbricks writes:
  Mentioned in one of the AMA responses the idea of a global cart which appears
to be a 'dream' for the current BL team.

What do you think as a buyer/seller?

Our view is it isn't feasible currently and there are far too many issues
associated with it - for example - who gets paid? If you had to use IC, and
we presume that would be the case, someone would have to collect the funds and
distribute them - how would that work?

The buyer is still going to have to pay multiple shipping fees so the only advantage
appears to be they can put everything in one cart?

Interested in stores and buyers views on this.

I bel;ieve Jean is currently against this - certainly not without a multitude
of changes., but they have used it before, elsewhere and it does add convenience
to the buyer (Not so much for the seller)

I'll make that 2 for - 0 against and 1 maybe.
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In General, calsbricks writes:
  Mentioned in one of the AMA responses the idea of a global cart which appears
to be a 'dream' for the current BL team.

What do you think as a buyer/seller?

Our view is it isn't feasible currently and there are far too many issues
associated with it - for example - who gets paid? If you had to use IC, and
we presume that would be the case, someone would have to collect the funds and
distribute them - how would that work?

The buyer is still going to have to pay multiple shipping fees so the only advantage
appears to be they can put everything in one cart?

Interested in stores and buyers views on this.

This is just a quick first thought about the idea:

Bricklink hinges on the principle that a buyer finds your store through one or
more parts they're looking for, then go on to fill their cart with more items
to make shipping worth it.
Without this mechanism, orders are going to crumble into tiny pieces and sellers
are going to burn out pretty quickly with lots of small orders but not enough
money, and buyers are not getting the best deal for their money. It's a bit
like this at BrickOwl.

It makes it easier but there are too many downsides IMO. Besides, LEGO is a hobby,
and the way I see it checking out stores and figuring out how to compile the
best order is part of the hobby. If we were gonna make everything instant and
easy, you might as well draw your moc on a screen and have it 3D printed
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  Bricklink hinges on the principle that a buyer finds your store through one or
more parts they're looking for, then go on to fill their cart with more items
to make shipping worth it.
Without this mechanism, orders are going to crumble into tiny pieces and sellers
are going to burn out pretty quickly with lots of small orders but not enough
money, and buyers are not getting the best deal for their money. It's a bit
like this at BrickOwl.

It makes it easier but there are too many downsides IMO. Besides, LEGO is a hobby,
and the way I see it checking out stores and figuring out how to compile the
best order is part of the hobby. If we were gonna make everything instant and
easy, you might as well draw your moc on a screen and have it 3D printed

+1
Probably the most important reason why this is not a good idea.
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In General, brickconnector writes:
  
  Bricklink hinges on the principle that a buyer finds your store through one or
more parts they're looking for, then go on to fill their cart with more items
to make shipping worth it.
Without this mechanism, orders are going to crumble into tiny pieces and sellers
are going to burn out pretty quickly with lots of small orders but not enough
money, and buyers are not getting the best deal for their money. It's a bit
like this at BrickOwl.

It makes it easier but there are too many downsides IMO. Besides, LEGO is a hobby,
and the way I see it checking out stores and figuring out how to compile the
best order is part of the hobby. If we were gonna make everything instant and
easy, you might as well draw your moc on a screen and have it 3D printed

+1
Probably the most important reason why this is not a good idea.

Duplicate response but seeing another good reason for this not to happen.
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In General, Teup writes:
  In General, calsbricks writes:
  Mentioned in one of the AMA responses the idea of a global cart which appears
to be a 'dream' for the current BL team.

What do you think as a buyer/seller?

Our view is it isn't feasible currently and there are far too many issues
associated with it - for example - who gets paid? If you had to use IC, and
we presume that would be the case, someone would have to collect the funds and
distribute them - how would that work?

The buyer is still going to have to pay multiple shipping fees so the only advantage
appears to be they can put everything in one cart?

Interested in stores and buyers views on this.

This is just a quick first thought about the idea:

Bricklink hinges on the principle that a buyer finds your store through one or
more parts they're looking for, then go on to fill their cart with more items
to make shipping worth it.
Without this mechanism, orders are going to crumble into tiny pieces and sellers
are going to burn out pretty quickly with lots of small orders but not enough
money, and buyers are not getting the best deal for their money. It's a bit
like this at BrickOwl.

It makes it easier but there are too many downsides IMO. Besides, LEGO is a hobby,
and the way I see it checking out stores and figuring out how to compile the
best order is part of the hobby. If we were gonna make everything instant and
easy, you might as well draw your moc on a screen and have it 3D printed

Very interesting thoughts Teup - I think from that we can take another against

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In General, calsbricks writes:
  Mentioned in one of the AMA responses the idea of a global cart which appears
to be a 'dream' for the current BL team.

What do you think as a buyer/seller?

Our view is it isn't feasible currently and there are far too many issues
associated with it - for example - who gets paid? If you had to use IC, and
we presume that would be the case, someone would have to collect the funds and
distribute them - how would that work?

The buyer is still going to have to pay multiple shipping fees so the only advantage
appears to be they can put everything in one cart?

Interested in stores and buyers views on this.

No interest, too impersonal and very unclear for the customer.
I see a whole lot of problems. I can already see myself getting an NSS because
the customer does not understand that it was the other shop that did not ship.
And that is just 1 of the many problems.
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Etsy collect the money and the seller must pay
- for order
- for shipping
- for paiement +/- 5%

In General, brickconnector writes:
  In General, calsbricks writes:
  Mentioned in one of the AMA responses the idea of a global cart which appears
to be a 'dream' for the current BL team.

What do you think as a buyer/seller?

Our view is it isn't feasible currently and there are far too many issues
associated with it - for example - who gets paid? If you had to use IC, and
we presume that would be the case, someone would have to collect the funds and
distribute them - how would that work?

The buyer is still going to have to pay multiple shipping fees so the only advantage
appears to be they can put everything in one cart?

Interested in stores and buyers views on this.

No interest, too impersonal and very unclear for the customer.
I see a whole lot of problems. I can already see myself getting an NSS because
the customer does not understand that it was the other shop that did not ship.
And that is just 1 of the many problems.
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In General, buildingfactory writes:
  Etsy collect the money and the seller must pay
- for order
- for shipping
- for paiement +/- 5%

In General, brickconnector writes:
  In General, calsbricks writes:
  Mentioned in one of the AMA responses the idea of a global cart which appears
to be a 'dream' for the current BL team.

What do you think as a buyer/seller?

Our view is it isn't feasible currently and there are far too many issues
associated with it - for example - who gets paid? If you had to use IC, and
we presume that would be the case, someone would have to collect the funds and
distribute them - how would that work?

The buyer is still going to have to pay multiple shipping fees so the only advantage
appears to be they can put everything in one cart?

Interested in stores and buyers views on this.

No interest, too impersonal and very unclear for the customer.
I see a whole lot of problems. I can already see myself getting an NSS because
the customer does not understand that it was the other shop that did not ship.
And that is just 1 of the many problems.

Not sure I understand this one so I won't ad it inn anywhere.
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In General, brickconnector writes:
  In General, calsbricks writes:
  Mentioned in one of the AMA responses the idea of a global cart which appears
to be a 'dream' for the current BL team.

What do you think as a buyer/seller?

Our view is it isn't feasible currently and there are far too many issues
associated with it - for example - who gets paid? If you had to use IC, and
we presume that would be the case, someone would have to collect the funds and
distribute them - how would that work?

The buyer is still going to have to pay multiple shipping fees so the only advantage
appears to be they can put everything in one cart?

Interested in stores and buyers views on this.

No interest, too impersonal and very unclear for the customer.
I see a whole lot of problems. I can already see myself getting an NSS because
the customer does not understand that it was the other shop that did not ship.
And that is just 1 of the many problems.

A definite no - like us

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No thanks, have enough problems with current set up, perhaps in the future once
site is functioning correctly.

Had endless problems last night with page changed, 404's, 500 and somethings,
process speed, access to site etc.





In General, calsbricks writes:
  Mentioned in one of the AMA responses the idea of a global cart which appears
to be a 'dream' for the current BL team.

What do you think as a buyer/seller?

Our view is it isn't feasible currently and there are far too many issues
associated with it - for example - who gets paid? If you had to use IC, and
we presume that would be the case, someone would have to collect the funds and
distribute them - how would that work?

The buyer is still going to have to pay multiple shipping fees so the only advantage
appears to be they can put everything in one cart?

Interested in stores and buyers views on this.
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In General, Stuart9 writes:
  No thanks, have enough problems with current set up, perhaps in the future once
site is functioning correctly.

Had endless problems last night with page changed, 404's, 500 and somethings,
process speed, access to site etc.





In General, calsbricks writes:
  Mentioned in one of the AMA responses the idea of a global cart which appears
to be a 'dream' for the current BL team.

What do you think as a buyer/seller?

Our view is it isn't feasible currently and there are far too many issues
associated with it - for example - who gets paid? If you had to use IC, and
we presume that would be the case, someone would have to collect the funds and
distribute them - how would that work?

The buyer is still going to have to pay multiple shipping fees so the only advantage
appears to be they can put everything in one cart?

Interested in stores and buyers views on this.

Yet another not interested

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Well, that depends how far they go with the implementation.

1. A global “cart” that you pay to BL in one go and then BL manages (and escrows!)
the payment to individual stores, why not.
It sure would be simpler for newcomers. And it might help all buyers, but with
the need for BL to very much increase their involvement in the transactions (customer
service).

But for the reasons you point, and without even taking into account the complexity
of terms and fees on BL, I’m not sure it would be good for sellers, and, eventually,
neither for buyers.


2. A global “store,” where you never have to see there are individual stores,
er, no thanks.

How would the latter even work?

Would there be an “All Stores” store? Or an “All EU Stores” store and a “All
Stores in France” store?
What about the prices? Would there be no prices or would the prices include
the (new) shipping?
And that would change each time the buyer adds an item?

Yeah, I can imagine how clear that would be for the buyer:
— (No prices or excl. shipping) Add one 2x4 brick at 0.01€ and the total price
goes up by 2€ because the store that has one wasn’t yet in the cart.
— (Incl. shipping) Or have zero parts in the cart and the 2x4 brick price range
is 2.01€ to 3.00€ (incl. 2€ shipping), but have already one part and the 2x4
brick price range becomes 0.01€ (same store) to 5.00€ (two stores, twice 2€).
Not confusing at all.
(And imagine with BL terms and fees on top of that.)

And what about performance?
With WLs as they are now, we can change the selection of items to buy. But the
site then takes a few (long) seconds to re-compute the possible stores. If you
already have stores “selected” (with pre-carts), you need to deselect them to
start Auto-select anew. And that rarely takes less than 30s. Just for a couple
parts more.
I imagine how well that would work _without_ a WL.

And let’s not talk about efficiency, EasyBuy and Auto-select are proof enough.

No, I certainly hope they are not looking at a “global store.”


And to go back to the “gobal cart” option, some talk about an Amazon-like model.
A model buyers are used to. But Amazon is totally different from BL. If I’m
not mistaken, there are three types of sellers on Amazon: Amazon itself, individual
stores, and, in between, individual stores whose stocks are managed by Amazon.
BL is only individual stores. And that’s stores with many types of item and
with big overlaps (they all sell the “same” items). And again, Amazon’s customer
services cover (for) everyone.

So, at first glance, it’s “Why not like other websites, like Amazon?”, and then,
with a bit of thought, it’s “What a nightmare” or “We would lose this and that.”
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In General, SylvainLS writes:
  Well, that depends how far they go with the implementation.

1. A global “cart” that you pay to BL in one go and then BL manages (and escrows!)
the payment to individual stores, why not.
It sure would be simpler for newcomers. And it might help all buyers, but with
the need for BL to very much increase their involvement in the transactions (customer
service).

But for the reasons you point, and without even taking into account the complexity
of terms and fees on BL, I’m not sure it would be good for sellers, and, eventually,
neither for buyers.


2. A global “store,” where you never have to see there are individual stores,
er, no thanks.

How would the latter even work?

Would there be an “All Stores” store? Or an “All EU Stores” store and a “All
Stores in France” store?
What about the prices? Would there be no prices or would the prices include
the (new) shipping?
And that would change each time the buyer adds an item?

Yeah, I can imagine how clear that would be for the buyer:
— (No prices or excl. shipping) Add one 2x4 brick at 0.01€ and the total price
goes up by 2€ because the store that has one wasn’t yet in the cart.
— (Incl. shipping) Or have zero parts in the cart and the 2x4 brick price range
is 2.01€ to 3.00€ (incl. 2€ shipping), but have already one part and the 2x4
brick price range becomes 0.01€ (same store) to 5.00€ (two stores, twice 2€).
Not confusing at all.
(And imagine with BL terms and fees on top of that.)

And what about performance?
With WLs as they are now, we can change the selection of items to buy. But the
site then takes a few (long) seconds to re-compute the possible stores. If you
already have stores “selected” (with pre-carts), you need to deselect them to
start Auto-select anew. And that rarely takes less than 30s. Just for a couple
parts more.
I imagine how well that would work _without_ a WL.

And let’s not talk about efficiency, EasyBuy and Auto-select are proof enough.

No, I certainly hope they are not looking at a “global store.”


And to go back to the “gobal cart” option, some talk about an Amazon-like model.
A model buyers are used to. But Amazon is totally different from BL. If I’m
not mistaken, there are three types of sellers on Amazon: Amazon itself, individual
stores, and, in between, individual stores whose stocks are managed by Amazon.
BL is only individual stores. And that’s stores with many types of item and
with big overlaps (they all sell the “same” items). And again, Amazon’s customer
services cover (for) everyone.

So, at first glance, it’s “Why not like other websites, like Amazon?”, and then,
with a bit of thought, it’s “What a nightmare” or “We would lose this and that.”

Wow - that might be the longest post we have ever seen from you. All interesting
thoughts and in the main we agree. The entire XP concept, ignoring the mobile
side of it, was aimed at an Amazon/Ebay model (Explicitly expressed by Marvin
Park, the then acting CEO. We had hoped and prayed with the TLG takeover that
would totally disappear - but just maybe it hasn't . It wasn't a good
idea then and it certainly isn't a good idea now, despite what the former
management of Bricklink might say.
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In General, calsbricks writes:
  Mentioned in one of the AMA responses the idea of a global cart which appears
to be a 'dream' for the current BL team.

What do you think as a buyer/seller?

Our view is it isn't feasible currently and there are far too many issues
associated with it - for example - who gets paid? If you had to use IC, and
we presume that would be the case, someone would have to collect the funds and
distribute them - how would that work?

The buyer is still going to have to pay multiple shipping fees so the only advantage
appears to be they can put everything in one cart?

Interested in stores and buyers views on this.

Even the logistics from the buyer side for expectations would be hard to manage.
10 stores send the complete parts for an old set. Buyer is in the US, 5 packages
come for the US stores within a week, 1 from Canada a week later, 3 from Germany/Netherlands
around the same timing, and 1 package from another US seller two weeks later
because their terms state they only go to the post office when the feel like
it. 1 of the US stores that delivered quickly made three mistakes and has very
poor quality used pieces, the rest of the used pieces from everyone else is great.
The buyer is unhappy because it took so long and 10 packages showed up for 1
order. When they build they find the mistakes, however they have already left
feedback for the slow order (which the seller's terms state clearly - which
for most sellers this seems to be their out for poor service). All 10 sellers
get poor feedback? The mistakes may have been corrected by the one store, but
the parts are all in 1 pile so who does the seller contact?

Sounds like a nightmare to unpack what really happened. Also the buyer happens
to be new. First experience and does not know that they should have recourse
on the order mistakes but goes to the forum and gets roasted as having lofty
expectations (when really they are not - 1 order, 1 package, what they ordered,
proper turnaround).

I would think you would have to have a seller test just to qualify and then if
any sellers signed up some sort of function to deal with inventory errors (because
they are real and happen to all sellers).

Dibs out.

Tyson.
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In General, leopard37 writes:
  In General, calsbricks writes:
  Mentioned in one of the AMA responses the idea of a global cart which appears
to be a 'dream' for the current BL team.

What do you think as a buyer/seller?

Our view is it isn't feasible currently and there are far too many issues
associated with it - for example - who gets paid? If you had to use IC, and
we presume that would be the case, someone would have to collect the funds and
distribute them - how would that work?

The buyer is still going to have to pay multiple shipping fees so the only advantage
appears to be they can put everything in one cart?

Interested in stores and buyers views on this.

Even the logistics from the buyer side for expectations would be hard to manage.
10 stores send the complete parts for an old set. Buyer is in the US, 5 packages
come for the US stores within a week, 1 from Canada a week later, 3 from Germany/Netherlands
around the same timing, and 1 package from another US seller two weeks later
because their terms state they only go to the post office when the feel like
it. 1 of the US stores that delivered quickly made three mistakes and has very
poor quality used pieces, the rest of the used pieces from everyone else is great.
The buyer is unhappy because it took so long and 10 packages showed up for 1
order. When they build they find the mistakes, however they have already left
feedback for the slow order (which the seller's terms state clearly - which
for most sellers this seems to be their out for poor service). All 10 sellers
get poor feedback? The mistakes may have been corrected by the one store, but
the parts are all in 1 pile so who does the seller contact?

Sounds like a nightmare to unpack what really happened. Also the buyer happens
to be new. First experience and does not know that they should have recourse
on the order mistakes but goes to the forum and gets roasted as having lofty
expectations (when really they are not - 1 order, 1 package, what they ordered,
proper turnaround).

I would think you would have to have a seller test just to qualify and then if
any sellers signed up some sort of function to deal with inventory errors (because
they are real and happen to all sellers).

Dibs out.

Tyson.

Thanks Tyson - very relevant thoughts. We are also still very worried about Bricklink
handling or controlling our funds as per the PPM terms and conditions. They would
have control over the release of those funds and although the banking side would
be handled by Paypal - why would we, as independent sellers, want to give control
of our funds to Bricklink. Not ever going to happen. The loss of store identity
is also a factor from our point of view. We have spent 10 long hard years on
here building our store to over 1,000,000 items and do not really wish too disappear
so a buyer can have the convenience of a single cart. Remember the cart is the
only thing single, packages, shipping costs, fees etc would all be multiple -
you would just have one place to check out.
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In General, calsbricks writes:
  In General, leopard37 writes:
  In General, calsbricks writes:
  Mentioned in one of the AMA responses the idea of a global cart which appears
to be a 'dream' for the current BL team.

What do you think as a buyer/seller?

Our view is it isn't feasible currently and there are far too many issues
associated with it - for example - who gets paid? If you had to use IC, and
we presume that would be the case, someone would have to collect the funds and
distribute them - how would that work?

The buyer is still going to have to pay multiple shipping fees so the only advantage
appears to be they can put everything in one cart?

Interested in stores and buyers views on this.

Even the logistics from the buyer side for expectations would be hard to manage.
10 stores send the complete parts for an old set. Buyer is in the US, 5 packages
come for the US stores within a week, 1 from Canada a week later, 3 from Germany/Netherlands
around the same timing, and 1 package from another US seller two weeks later
because their terms state they only go to the post office when the feel like
it. 1 of the US stores that delivered quickly made three mistakes and has very
poor quality used pieces, the rest of the used pieces from everyone else is great.
The buyer is unhappy because it took so long and 10 packages showed up for 1
order. When they build they find the mistakes, however they have already left
feedback for the slow order (which the seller's terms state clearly - which
for most sellers this seems to be their out for poor service). All 10 sellers
get poor feedback? The mistakes may have been corrected by the one store, but
the parts are all in 1 pile so who does the seller contact?

Sounds like a nightmare to unpack what really happened. Also the buyer happens
to be new. First experience and does not know that they should have recourse
on the order mistakes but goes to the forum and gets roasted as having lofty
expectations (when really they are not - 1 order, 1 package, what they ordered,
proper turnaround).

I would think you would have to have a seller test just to qualify and then if
any sellers signed up some sort of function to deal with inventory errors (because
they are real and happen to all sellers).

Dibs out.

Tyson.

Thanks Tyson - very relevant thoughts. We are also still very worried about Bricklink
handling or controlling our funds as per the PPM terms and conditions. They would
have control over the release of those funds and although the banking side would
be handled by Paypal - why would we, as independent sellers, want to give control
of our funds to Bricklink. Not ever going to happen. The loss of store identity
is also a factor from our point of view. We have spent 10 long hard years on
here building our store to over 1,000,000 items and do not really wish too disappear
so a buyer can have the convenience of a single cart. Remember the cart is the
only thing single, packages, shipping costs, fees etc would all be multiple -
you would just have one place to check out.

I agree with your store reputation point of view, but I really don't see
how BL paying out would be an issue. Not sure why the distrust is there. If there
was a delay on payments for these orders (batched in a month) I would have a
problem with that as most international orders the shipping charges for my orders
(Canada Post rates suck if you weren't aware) exceed the order value. I would
imagine it would be the same as how PayPal Marketplace works with instant checkout
for me now, which is 10x better than it was before IC. I know you said it doesn't
work for you, but have you seen many complaints from IC adopters getting their
money? There were some bugs but there are bugs everywhere (see comics pls).

Tyson.
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In General, leopard37 writes:
  In General, calsbricks writes:
  In General, leopard37 writes:
  In General, calsbricks writes:
  Mentioned in one of the AMA responses the idea of a global cart which appears
to be a 'dream' for the current BL team.

What do you think as a buyer/seller?

Our view is it isn't feasible currently and there are far too many issues
associated with it - for example - who gets paid? If you had to use IC, and
we presume that would be the case, someone would have to collect the funds and
distribute them - how would that work?

The buyer is still going to have to pay multiple shipping fees so the only advantage
appears to be they can put everything in one cart?

Interested in stores and buyers views on this.

Even the logistics from the buyer side for expectations would be hard to manage.
10 stores send the complete parts for an old set. Buyer is in the US, 5 packages
come for the US stores within a week, 1 from Canada a week later, 3 from Germany/Netherlands
around the same timing, and 1 package from another US seller two weeks later
because their terms state they only go to the post office when the feel like
it. 1 of the US stores that delivered quickly made three mistakes and has very
poor quality used pieces, the rest of the used pieces from everyone else is great.
The buyer is unhappy because it took so long and 10 packages showed up for 1
order. When they build they find the mistakes, however they have already left
feedback for the slow order (which the seller's terms state clearly - which
for most sellers this seems to be their out for poor service). All 10 sellers
get poor feedback? The mistakes may have been corrected by the one store, but
the parts are all in 1 pile so who does the seller contact?

Sounds like a nightmare to unpack what really happened. Also the buyer happens
to be new. First experience and does not know that they should have recourse
on the order mistakes but goes to the forum and gets roasted as having lofty
expectations (when really they are not - 1 order, 1 package, what they ordered,
proper turnaround).

I would think you would have to have a seller test just to qualify and then if
any sellers signed up some sort of function to deal with inventory errors (because
they are real and happen to all sellers).

Dibs out.

Tyson.

Thanks Tyson - very relevant thoughts. We are also still very worried about Bricklink
handling or controlling our funds as per the PPM terms and conditions. They would
have control over the release of those funds and although the banking side would
be handled by Paypal - why would we, as independent sellers, want to give control
of our funds to Bricklink. Not ever going to happen. The loss of store identity
is also a factor from our point of view. We have spent 10 long hard years on
here building our store to over 1,000,000 items and do not really wish too disappear
so a buyer can have the convenience of a single cart. Remember the cart is the
only thing single, packages, shipping costs, fees etc would all be multiple -
you would just have one place to check out.

I agree with your store reputation point of view, but I really don't see
how BL paying out would be an issue. Not sure why the distrust is there. If there
was a delay on payments for these orders (batched in a month) I would have a
problem with that as most international orders the shipping charges for my orders
(Canada Post rates suck if you weren't aware) exceed the order value. I would
imagine it would be the same as how PayPal Marketplace works with instant checkout
for me now, which is 10x better than it was before IC. I know you said it doesn't
work for you, but have you seen many complaints from IC adopters getting their
money? There were some bugs but there are bugs everywhere (see comics pls).

Tyson.

Hiya

We have absolutely no problem with Paypal payments and haven't done for nearly
10 years and that is on both sides of the cycle (Buyer or seller). That wasn't
our point - the point is Bricklink would have the right to determine when you
got paid and if there was a problem they would also have the right to make decisions
for you on the money side and that is not something we would sign up to.

No, IC in its current iteration is not for us. For those it works for we have
always said go for it and for those it doesn't - make up your own mind. There
are lots of non-US stores who use it - they have tweaked it where they can and
in the main they swallow the issues. We asked ourselves the question did we want
to add possible mistakes to our store, and mor4e admin/small losses or did we
want to stay 100% correct on our shipping - the latter won and that is how we
have stayed. All of our buyers have a full total price available to them within
24-48 hours and if you look at our feedback you can see we are renowned for very
quick delivery - what we lose on the swings, we make up for on the roundabouts..
so we say over here.
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In General, leopard37 writes:
  In General, calsbricks writes:
  In General, leopard37 writes:
  In General, calsbricks writes:
  Mentioned in one of the AMA responses the idea of a global cart which appears
to be a 'dream' for the current BL team.

What do you think as a buyer/seller?

Our view is it isn't feasible currently and there are far too many issues
associated with it - for example - who gets paid? If you had to use IC, and
we presume that would be the case, someone would have to collect the funds and
distribute them - how would that work?

The buyer is still going to have to pay multiple shipping fees so the only advantage
appears to be they can put everything in one cart?

Interested in stores and buyers views on this.

Even the logistics from the buyer side for expectations would be hard to manage.
10 stores send the complete parts for an old set. Buyer is in the US, 5 packages
come for the US stores within a week, 1 from Canada a week later, 3 from Germany/Netherlands
around the same timing, and 1 package from another US seller two weeks later
because their terms state they only go to the post office when the feel like
it. 1 of the US stores that delivered quickly made three mistakes and has very
poor quality used pieces, the rest of the used pieces from everyone else is great.
The buyer is unhappy because it took so long and 10 packages showed up for 1
order. When they build they find the mistakes, however they have already left
feedback for the slow order (which the seller's terms state clearly - which
for most sellers this seems to be their out for poor service). All 10 sellers
get poor feedback? The mistakes may have been corrected by the one store, but
the parts are all in 1 pile so who does the seller contact?

Sounds like a nightmare to unpack what really happened. Also the buyer happens
to be new. First experience and does not know that they should have recourse
on the order mistakes but goes to the forum and gets roasted as having lofty
expectations (when really they are not - 1 order, 1 package, what they ordered,
proper turnaround).

I would think you would have to have a seller test just to qualify and then if
any sellers signed up some sort of function to deal with inventory errors (because
they are real and happen to all sellers).

Dibs out.

Tyson.

Thanks Tyson - very relevant thoughts. We are also still very worried about Bricklink
handling or controlling our funds as per the PPM terms and conditions. They would
have control over the release of those funds and although the banking side would
be handled by Paypal - why would we, as independent sellers, want to give control
of our funds to Bricklink. Not ever going to happen. The loss of store identity
is also a factor from our point of view. We have spent 10 long hard years on
here building our store to over 1,000,000 items and do not really wish too disappear
so a buyer can have the convenience of a single cart. Remember the cart is the
only thing single, packages, shipping costs, fees etc would all be multiple -
you would just have one place to check out.

I agree with your store reputation point of view, but I really don't see
how BL paying out would be an issue. Not sure why the distrust is there. If there
was a delay on payments for these orders (batched in a month) I would have a
problem with that as most international orders the shipping charges for my orders
(Canada Post rates suck if you weren't aware) exceed the order value. I would
imagine it would be the same as how PayPal Marketplace works with instant checkout
for me now, which is 10x better than it was before IC. I know you said it doesn't
work for you, but have you seen many complaints from IC adopters getting their
money? There were some bugs but there are bugs everywhere (see comics pls).

Tyson.

If Bricklink would be paying me through PayPal, and from the US, then that would
lower my income by 10%. I hope that if they would go for that system they'd
think of a smarter payment solution, because it makes little sense not to just
use direct bank transfers for my domestic orders.
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In General, leopard37 writes:
  In General, calsbricks writes:
  In General, leopard37 writes:
  In General, calsbricks writes:
  Mentioned in one of the AMA responses the idea of a global cart which appears
to be a 'dream' for the current BL team.

What do you think as a buyer/seller?

Our view is it isn't feasible currently and there are far too many issues
associated with it - for example - who gets paid? If you had to use IC, and
we presume that would be the case, someone would have to collect the funds and
distribute them - how would that work?

The buyer is still going to have to pay multiple shipping fees so the only advantage
appears to be they can put everything in one cart?

Interested in stores and buyers views on this.

Even the logistics from the buyer side for expectations would be hard to manage.
10 stores send the complete parts for an old set. Buyer is in the US, 5 packages
come for the US stores within a week, 1 from Canada a week later, 3 from Germany/Netherlands
around the same timing, and 1 package from another US seller two weeks later
because their terms state they only go to the post office when the feel like
it. 1 of the US stores that delivered quickly made three mistakes and has very
poor quality used pieces, the rest of the used pieces from everyone else is great.
The buyer is unhappy because it took so long and 10 packages showed up for 1
order. When they build they find the mistakes, however they have already left
feedback for the slow order (which the seller's terms state clearly - which
for most sellers this seems to be their out for poor service). All 10 sellers
get poor feedback? The mistakes may have been corrected by the one store, but
the parts are all in 1 pile so who does the seller contact?

Sounds like a nightmare to unpack what really happened. Also the buyer happens
to be new. First experience and does not know that they should have recourse
on the order mistakes but goes to the forum and gets roasted as having lofty
expectations (when really they are not - 1 order, 1 package, what they ordered,
proper turnaround).

I would think you would have to have a seller test just to qualify and then if
any sellers signed up some sort of function to deal with inventory errors (because
they are real and happen to all sellers).

Dibs out.

Tyson.

Thanks Tyson - very relevant thoughts. We are also still very worried about Bricklink
handling or controlling our funds as per the PPM terms and conditions. They would
have control over the release of those funds and although the banking side would
be handled by Paypal - why would we, as independent sellers, want to give control
of our funds to Bricklink. Not ever going to happen. The loss of store identity
is also a factor from our point of view. We have spent 10 long hard years on
here building our store to over 1,000,000 items and do not really wish too disappear
so a buyer can have the convenience of a single cart. Remember the cart is the
only thing single, packages, shipping costs, fees etc would all be multiple -
you would just have one place to check out.

I agree with your store reputation point of view, but I really don't see
how BL paying out would be an issue. Not sure why the distrust is there. If there
was a delay on payments for these orders (batched in a month) I would have a
problem with that as most international orders the shipping charges for my orders
(Canada Post rates suck if you weren't aware) exceed the order value. I would
imagine it would be the same as how PayPal Marketplace works with instant checkout
for me now, which is 10x better than it was before IC. I know you said it doesn't
work for you, but have you seen many complaints from IC adopters getting their
money? There were some bugs but there are bugs everywhere (see comics pls).

Tyson.

Forgot to mention but was just reminded - Bricklink did not implement the bit
of PPM that allows them to deal with your funds so we are not seeing anything
but a normal paypal involvement nothing to do with Bricklink at all - it is in
the terms but they decided at the time to not implement this.
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  Even the logistics from the buyer side for expectations would be hard to manage.
10 stores send the complete parts for an old set. Buyer is in the US, 5 packages
come for the US stores within a week, 1 from Canada a week later, 3 from Germany/Netherlands
around the same timing, and 1 package from another US seller two weeks later
because their terms state they only go to the post office when the feel like
it. 1 of the US stores that delivered quickly made three mistakes and has very
poor quality used pieces, the rest of the used pieces from everyone else is great.
The buyer is unhappy because it took so long and 10 packages showed up for 1
order. When they build they find the mistakes, however they have already left
feedback for the slow order (which the seller's terms state clearly - which
for most sellers this seems to be their out for poor service). All 10 sellers
get poor feedback? The mistakes may have been corrected by the one store, but
the parts are all in 1 pile so who does the seller contact?

Sounds like a nightmare to unpack what really happened. Also the buyer happens
to be new. First experience and does not know that they should have recourse
on the order mistakes but goes to the forum and gets roasted as having lofty
expectations (when really they are not - 1 order, 1 package, what they ordered,
proper turnaround).

I would think you would have to have a seller test just to qualify and then if
any sellers signed up some sort of function to deal with inventory errors (because
they are real and happen to all sellers).

Dibs out.

Tyson.

+1 Also, what happens when one package of 6 goes missing? And if that package
were to have come from one of those stores that feel that once the package leaves
their hands they no longer have any responsibility if it goes missing, then at
that point who does the buyer turn to for satisfaction and with what results?

Jim
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  Even the logistics from the buyer side for expectations would be hard to manage.
10 stores send the complete parts for an old set. Buyer is in the US, 5 packages
come for the US stores within a week, 1 from Canada a week later, 3 from Germany/Netherlands
around the same timing, and 1 package from another US seller two weeks later
because their terms state they only go to the post office when the feel like
it. 1 of the US stores that delivered quickly made three mistakes and has very
poor quality used pieces, the rest of the used pieces from everyone else is great.
The buyer is unhappy because it took so long and 10 packages showed up for 1
order. When they build they find the mistakes, however they have already left
feedback for the slow order (which the seller's terms state clearly - which
for most sellers this seems to be their out for poor service). All 10 sellers
get poor feedback? The mistakes may have been corrected by the one store, but
the parts are all in 1 pile so who does the seller contact?

Sounds like a nightmare to unpack what really happened. Also the buyer happens
to be new. First experience and does not know that they should have recourse
on the order mistakes but goes to the forum and gets roasted as having lofty
expectations (when really they are not - 1 order, 1 package, what they ordered,
proper turnaround).

I would think you would have to have a seller test just to qualify and then if
any sellers signed up some sort of function to deal with inventory errors (because
they are real and happen to all sellers).

Dibs out.

Tyson.

+1 Also, what happens when one package of 6 goes missing? And if that package
were to have come from one of those stores that feel that once the package leaves
their hands they no longer have any responsibility if it goes missing, then at
that point who does the buyer turn to for satisfaction and with what results?

Jim

Another very legitimate point - lots of questions that need answering both in
principle and in an implementation.
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Pass for now.

Lego has a lot of work ahead of themselves if they wish to instill faith in the
website functionality again.

Right now I'm sitting on quite a bit of new Lego that hasn't been added
to the store, because I value my time, and refuse to deal with the 500(whatever)
errors trying to part out sets.


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  Pass for now.

Lego has a lot of work ahead of themselves if they wish to instill faith in the
website functionality again.

Right now I'm sitting on quite a bit of new Lego that hasn't been added
to the store, because I value my time, and refuse to deal with the 500(whatever)
errors trying to part out sets.


In General, calsbricks writes:
  Mentioned in one of the AMA responses the idea of a global cart which appears
to be a 'dream' for the current BL team.

-snip-

I think we all are. The unreliability of the site is not helping plus the backlog
of items to get into the catalogue, plus the bugs, plus the ..... Perhaps, despite
the AMA response this is not even on the back burner - lets hope so.

The members rarely get what they ask for here - since the previous owners takeover
TLG may be different (here is hoping) but they have a lot more work to do than
they realise in restoring confidence, and trust. They also need, in a huge way,
to improve communications.
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In General, calsbricks writes:
  Mentioned in one of the AMA responses the idea of a global cart which appears
to be a 'dream' for the current BL team.

What do you think as a buyer/seller?

Our view is it isn't feasible currently and there are far too many issues
associated with it - for example - who gets paid? If you had to use IC, and
we presume that would be the case, someone would have to collect the funds and
distribute them - how would that work?

The buyer is still going to have to pay multiple shipping fees so the only advantage
appears to be they can put everything in one cart?

Interested in stores and buyers views on this.

Sellers perspective:

I think it's a great idea as long as implemented properly. I see it in done
in a similar way as Amazon and eBay do it. You have a shopping cart, but you
still have your individual sellers listed with their individual shipping costs.
One button to check out, payment is split it at the buyer, so no distribution
needed, you can leave individual feedback for each of the sellers.

On the backend from buyers perspective during the shopping process it can be
clearly shown as one list of parts, one shopping list, one purchase, one total
of shipping costs and at checkout being split it as done at Amazon.

It all comes down to implementation. If implemented and tested properly,
I definitely think it is feasible.


I'm a massive fan of Instant Checkout, orders have increased like crazy.
I've had no complaints on shipping costs or the small handling fee I add
for orders under 10 bucks, all because it's fully transparent throughout
the shopping process. A global basket can compliment this perfectly. Anything
that makes it easier for buyers is a win.
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In General, Gmid writes:
  In General, calsbricks writes:
  Mentioned in one of the AMA responses the idea of a global cart which appears
to be a 'dream' for the current BL team.

What do you think as a buyer/seller?

Our view is it isn't feasible currently and there are far too many issues
associated with it - for example - who gets paid? If you had to use IC, and
we presume that would be the case, someone would have to collect the funds and
distribute them - how would that work?

The buyer is still going to have to pay multiple shipping fees so the only advantage
appears to be they can put everything in one cart?

Interested in stores and buyers views on this.

Sellers perspective:

I think it's a great idea as long as implemented properly. (Small phrase but huge meaning)

I see it in done
  in a similar way as Amazon and eBay do it. You have a shopping cart, but you
still have your individual sellers listed with their individual shipping costs.
One button to check out, payment is split it at the buyer, so no distribution
needed, you can leave individual feedback for each of the sellers.

Not sure that is what they have in mind. The plan was for the payment to be made
to Bricklink and then 11Bricklink to pay the stores. It is an interesting concept
that you mention and as we do not use either Amazon or Ebay we have not run into
this.

  
On the backend from buyers perspective during the shopping process it can be
clearly shown as one list of parts, one shopping list, one purchase, one total
of shipping costs and at checkout being split it as done at Amazon.

It all comes down to implementation. If implemented and tested properly,
I definitely think it is feasible.


Sorry, we do not share your thoughts on this - track record is not good. Things
might change with TLG involvement too early to tell. Lots of issues to sort out
first before something like this hits the site, including a major re-think about
the site, performance wise as well as feature/functionality wise.

I wouldn't like to comment on how many buyers would actually use this feature
if it were available but we have placed well over 1000 orders on Bricklink and
not one of them would ever have required this as a feature.
  
I'm a massive fan of Instant Checkout, orders have increased like crazy.
I've had no complaints on shipping costs or the small handling fee I add
for orders under 10 bucks, all because it's fully transparent throughout
the shopping process. A global basket can compliment this perfectly. Anything
that makes it easier for buyers is a win.

Good for you. and great news for your store. There are not many people reporting
a huge increase in orders due to IC, but then again it was designed with the
US postal system in mind (Not those used outside the US where weight and volume
make up the cost factors)
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In General, calsbricks writes:
  In General, Gmid writes:
  It all comes down to implementation. If implemented and tested properly,
I definitely think it is feasible.


Sorry, we do not share your thoughts on this

If you actually want to do a proper poll (and from the score-keeping it seems
you do), you should not argue people that take a different view to yours. Leave
that to a different thread, it is tainting your poll (unless you are shooting
for a poll that will only confirm your ideas).

Niek.
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In General, qwertyboy writes:
  In General, calsbricks writes:
  In General, Gmid writes:
  It all comes down to implementation. If implemented and tested properly,
I definitely think it is feasible.


Sorry, we do not share your thoughts on this

If you actually want to do a proper poll (and from the score-keeping it seems
you do), you should not argue people that take a different view to yours. Leave
that to a different thread, it is tainting your poll (unless you are shooting
for a poll that will only confirm your ideas).

Niek.

Hi Niek

We seem to be crossing swords recently and yet I am quite confident we are not.
Our comment above is just we do not agree with a proper implementation being
done by the current BL development team. It did not alter the voting nor did
we count it as such. You may just be trying to read too much into that. If we
have confused anyone we apologise .
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In General, calsbricks writes:
  In General, qwertyboy writes:
  In General, calsbricks writes:
  In General, Gmid writes:
  It all comes down to implementation. If implemented and tested properly,
I definitely think it is feasible.


Sorry, we do not share your thoughts on this

If you actually want to do a proper poll (and from the score-keeping it seems
you do), you should not argue people that take a different view to yours. Leave
that to a different thread, it is tainting your poll (unless you are shooting
for a poll that will only confirm your ideas).

Niek.

Hi Niek

We seem to be crossing swords recently and yet I am quite confident we are not.
Our comment above is just we do not agree with a proper implementation being
done by the current BL development team. It did not alter the voting nor did
we count it as such. You may just be trying to read too much into that. If we
have confused anyone we apologise .

We are now running a proper poll on our forum - vote there if you wish. 6 response
in immediately 4 no and 2 undecided. - need more info.
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In General, calsbricks writes:
  In General, qwertyboy writes:
  If you actually want to do a proper poll (and from the score-keeping it seems
you do), you should not argue people that take a different view to yours. Leave
that to a different thread, it is tainting your poll (unless you are shooting
for a poll that will only confirm your ideas).

We seem to be crossing swords recently and yet I am quite confident we are not.

I don't see it as crossing swords. I just commented on posts in this thread.

  Our comment above is just we do not agree with a proper implementation being
done by the current BL development team. It did not alter the voting nor did
we count it as such. You may just be trying to read too much into that.

It seems similar to having people vote for the next government, and at the polling
booth start arguing about someone's choice for (or reasons to chose) a certain
representative.

I know this comparison is putting it a bit over the top for this forum, but the
analogy stands. It is not a "vote yes or no" (a poll), but a discussion. Which
is fine.

  If we have confused anyone we apologise.

No worries.

For the record - we have no details at all about how BL sees this global cart
being implemented. As far as I can see this is an idea floating around. We have
seen some speculation about the previous ownership wanting to make BL more of
an Amazon-style market place, but no details of any kind.

So just gauging the idea itself, and as a seller, I can only see this potentially
driving more sales, so I would be curious to see what an implementation would
look like. Without any further details it is difficult to say yes or no,
but if done right (and yes, I can't tell you what "right" would look like),
I would be all for this. It would be in BL's interest to "do it right", so
for now I am a cautios "yes".

More sales makes Friday-Niek a happy-Niek.

Niek.
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In General, calsbricks writes:
  In General, Gmid writes:
  In General, calsbricks writes:
  Mentioned in one of the AMA responses the idea of a global cart which appears
to be a 'dream' for the current BL team.

What do you think as a buyer/seller?

Our view is it isn't feasible currently and there are far too many issues
associated with it - for example - who gets paid? If you had to use IC, and
we presume that would be the case, someone would have to collect the funds and
distribute them - how would that work?

The buyer is still going to have to pay multiple shipping fees so the only advantage
appears to be they can put everything in one cart?

Interested in stores and buyers views on this.

Sellers perspective:

I think it's a great idea as long as implemented properly. (Small phrase but huge meaning)

I see it in done
  in a similar way as Amazon and eBay do it. You have a shopping cart, but you
still have your individual sellers listed with their individual shipping costs.
One button to check out, payment is split it at the buyer, so no distribution
needed, you can leave individual feedback for each of the sellers.

Not sure that is what they have in mind. The plan was for the payment to be made
to Bricklink and then 11Bricklink to pay the stores. It is an interesting concept
that you mention and as we do not use either Amazon or Ebay we have not run into
this.

  
On the backend from buyers perspective during the shopping process it can be
clearly shown as one list of parts, one shopping list, one purchase, one total
of shipping costs and at checkout being split it as done at Amazon.

It all comes down to implementation. If implemented and tested properly,
I definitely think it is feasible.


Sorry, we do not share your thoughts on this - track record is not good. Things
might change with TLG involvement too early to tell. Lots of issues to sort out
first before something like this hits the site, including a major re-think about
the site, performance wise as well as feature/functionality wise.

I wouldn't like to comment on how many buyers would actually use this feature
if it were available but we have placed well over 1000 orders on Bricklink and
not one of them would ever have required this as a feature.
  
I'm a massive fan of Instant Checkout, orders have increased like crazy.
I've had no complaints on shipping costs or the small handling fee I add
for orders under 10 bucks, all because it's fully transparent throughout
the shopping process. A global basket can compliment this perfectly. Anything
that makes it easier for buyers is a win.

Good for you. and great news for your store. There are not many people reporting
a huge increase in orders due to IC, but then again it was designed with the
US postal system in mind (Not those used outside the US where weight and volume
make up the cost factors)



Let's go for a buyers perspective. I have had to place a few orders recently
due to some inventory errors after moving locations (silly me for dropping one
box). I handpicked sellers to ship directly to my customer to complete the order
on the missing parts. I handpicked them based shipping costs and additional costs
(besides location, as I couldn't wait for overseas delivery). The only way
to do that is to eliminate all stores that don't have instant checkout. I
am not going to mess around reading through terms to figure out the fine print
on shipping costs or additional packing, paypal, under-10-dollar, my cat died,
and 5 love languages fees. I picked the instant checkout stores to immediately
reflect the total amount I'd owe them, and to allow me to finish my order
right away without waiting for invoices.

I understand your strong opinion on instant checkout, and I've read over
it many times on this forum, but I am confident that 1. there is a very large
not-so-vocal group of sellers on this platform who are happy with this change,
and would encourage any additional changes to drive their sales up even further
(as Niek states below). 2. There is an even larger group of not-vocal-at-all
buyers who don't care about the forum, about the history, about the past,
but just want to place an order the same way they place an order on any other
webshop, marketplace or eBay variation, without waiting on an invoice. Pick your
stuff, go to checkout, pay, wait for package.

Lastly, this is not purely a US thing. As some know, i've moved from the
Netherlands to the US about 12 months ago. On both continents I've spent
an equal 8 hours setting up my shipping methods to match as closely as possible
what I would do with manual check out. I've corrected the buffer percentage
in both weight and size numerous times when I found a mistake and the customer
was undercharged a whole 28 cents to go the next first class weight bracket.
I've absorbed these costs, corrected the shipping methods where needed, and
still happy to have absorbed those 28 cents, as spending time to weigh, check,
invoice, wait for payment would have costed me a lot more.

My two cents, you asked for opinions, here is mine.
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In General, calsbricks writes:
  Mentioned in one of the AMA responses the idea of a global cart which appears
to be a 'dream' for the current BL team.

What do you think as a buyer/seller?

Our view is it isn't feasible currently and there are far too many issues
associated with it - for example - who gets paid? If you had to use IC, and
we presume that would be the case, someone would have to collect the funds and
distribute them - how would that work?

The buyer is still going to have to pay multiple shipping fees so the only advantage
appears to be they can put everything in one cart?

Interested in stores and buyers views on this.



With Global Cart, what would determine which store gets the sale for common items?

For example, if a buyer chooses to buy 6 Black 2x6 Plates and there a 4200 shops
that have this item in stock, what mechanism chooses the shop that gets the order?

Take the same example and there are 60 shops that have the item at the lowest
price (within one penny range) which of those 60 shops get the order?

If global carts means that lowest price always wins, then that will be bad news
for BrickLink long term. It will mean that shops with bigger inventories but
slightly higher prices will get cherry-picked of only the best stuff and they
will be left with no choice but to lower all other prices in order for common
stuff to sell via Global Cart.

I choose NO to Global Cart.

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In General, Shiny_Stuff writes:
  In General, calsbricks writes:
  Mentioned in one of the AMA responses the idea of a global cart which appears
to be a 'dream' for the current BL team.

What do you think as a buyer/seller?

Our view is it isn't feasible currently and there are far too many issues
associated with it - for example - who gets paid? If you had to use IC, and
we presume that would be the case, someone would have to collect the funds and
distribute them - how would that work?

The buyer is still going to have to pay multiple shipping fees so the only advantage
appears to be they can put everything in one cart?

Interested in stores and buyers views on this.



With Global Cart, what would determine which store gets the sale for common items?

For example, if a buyer chooses to buy 6 Black 2x6 Plates and there a 4200 shops
that have this item in stock, what mechanism chooses the shop that gets the order?

Take the same example and there are 60 shops that have the item at the lowest
price (within one penny range) which of those 60 shops get the order?

If global carts means that lowest price always wins, then that will be bad news
for BrickLink long term. It will mean that shops with bigger inventories but
slightly higher prices will get cherry-picked of only the best stuff and they
will be left with no choice but to lower all other prices in order for common
stuff to sell via Global Cart.

I choose NO to Global Cart.

A solid no which means the no's are well in the lead - not that anyone is
going to take a blind bit of notice to this thread other than us who are commenting,
but it is beginning to show a pattern - far too many issues to resolve from a
policies point of view as well as a software point of view.

Pity we cannot run polls on this kind of stuff - perhaps if the forum were updated
to something a little more modern we might be able to have a single vote poll.

Still that isn't important really and would require (bureaucracy/planning)
and that is something that isn't flavour of the month.
  
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In General, calsbricks writes:
  Mentioned in one of the AMA responses the idea of a global cart which appears
to be a 'dream' for the current BL team.

What do you think as a buyer/seller?

Our view is it isn't feasible currently and there are far too many issues
associated with it - for example - who gets paid? If you had to use IC, and
we presume that would be the case, someone would have to collect the funds and
distribute them - how would that work?

The buyer is still going to have to pay multiple shipping fees so the only advantage
appears to be they can put everything in one cart?

Interested in stores and buyers views on this.

Has there been any consideration for the computational load on the server for
that?
What if you had the scenario of a bunch of buyers all with complex dynamic wanted
lists all chugging the “best fit” algorithm to create their carts?
Then as soon as the fastest buyer placed their order, it could render a bunch
of other buyer’s carts as incomplete and they’d have to re-run the auto finder.

This already happens on a small scale inside large stores with good qty and pricing,
but I think it would be exponentially worse and it would frustrate buyers who
keep getting told their has been changes to qtys available in their global cart
right when they go to pay.
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In General, runner.caller writes:
  In General, calsbricks writes:
  Mentioned in one of the AMA responses the idea of a global cart which appears
to be a 'dream' for the current BL team.

What do you think as a buyer/seller?

Our view is it isn't feasible currently and there are far too many issues
associated with it - for example - who gets paid? If you had to use IC, and
we presume that would be the case, someone would have to collect the funds and
distribute them - how would that work?

The buyer is still going to have to pay multiple shipping fees so the only advantage
appears to be they can put everything in one cart?

Interested in stores and buyers views on this.

Has there been any consideration for the computational load on the server for
that?
What if you had the scenario of a bunch of buyers all with complex dynamic wanted
lists all chugging the “best fit” algorithm to create their carts?
Then as soon as the fastest buyer placed their order, it could render a bunch
of other buyer’s carts as incomplete and they’d have to re-run the auto finder.

This already happens on a small scale inside large stores with good qty and pricing,
but I think it would be exponentially worse and it would frustrate buyers who
keep getting told their has been changes to qtys available in their global cart
right when they go to pay.

That is another practical issue that would have to be looked at in detail, especially
with the current performance issues of the site.
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In General, calsbricks writes:
  Mentioned in one of the AMA responses the idea of a global cart which appears
to be a 'dream' for the current BL team.

What do you think as a buyer/seller?

Our view is it isn't feasible currently and there are far too many issues
associated with it - for example - who gets paid? If you had to use IC, and
we presume that would be the case, someone would have to collect the funds and
distribute them - how would that work?

The buyer is still going to have to pay multiple shipping fees so the only advantage
appears to be they can put everything in one cart?

Interested in stores and buyers views on this.

I don't see this working without everyone being on IC.

Right now, IC does not play well with some countries' postal systems. If
they fixed that, and put in more supports for people to set it up, then maybe.
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In General, calebfishn writes:
  In General, calsbricks writes:
  Mentioned in one of the AMA responses the idea of a global cart which appears
to be a 'dream' for the current BL team.

What do you think as a buyer/seller?

Our view is it isn't feasible currently and there are far too many issues
associated with it - for example - who gets paid? If you had to use IC, and
we presume that would be the case, someone would have to collect the funds and
distribute them - how would that work?

The buyer is still going to have to pay multiple shipping fees so the only advantage
appears to be they can put everything in one cart?

Interested in stores and buyers views on this.

I don't see this working without everyone being on IC.

IC does appear to be a prerequisite. But not everybody needs to be on IC for
this to work. BL can also decide to have the seller-that-supports-global-carts
be an opt-in, and set IC to be a requirement for the opt-in (along with other
requirements they deem necessary). That way, if shops don't feel comfortable
to do the global cart thingy, they simply don't join.

I'd be OK with that.

Niek.
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In General, calsbricks writes:
  Mentioned in one of the AMA responses the idea of a global cart which appears
to be a 'dream' for the current BL team.

What do you think as a buyer/seller?

Interested in stores and buyers views on this.

I would vote YES, with qualifications.
1) This, just like IC, should be OPTIONAL to any seller. Don't like it?
Don't sign up. Of course that means there would really be two parallel
versions of BL for buyers to use but I don't see that as a major obstacle.
2) Extensive testing and feedback from sellers so that the stores that want to
participate have some say in shaping how it ends up working, including all of
the very valid "what if?"'s raised in this thread.

I think that anything that makes it easier for non-AFOLs to shop will drive a
huge increase in sales. That was the original draw to BO, and why they got
some good market traction. We see a lot more 'casual' shoppers on BO
than BL because its just easier to navigate.

I (and others) asked through the AMA if LEGO would do anything to cross promote
the platform (i.e. linking from Lego.com). The immediate answer was 'No'
and if you read between the lines on Julia's response, its clear that BL
is "too AFOL" as it stands. So what if this OPTIONAL program was created, and
sellers enrolled, and Lego started directing traffic into it via the Bricks &
Pieces function? Or a blurb in the catalogs? That would be well worth the price
of changing how orders flow. What if LEGO started advertising that "You can
now buy any LEGO set or element ever made!"

And just for context, Amazon escrows seller funds and eBay escrows funds for
new sellers until you make your metrics. Its a mechanism used by major channels.
Bottom line is that they use that to enforce quality, timeliness, and good customer
service. I would gladly let BL escrow my funds for a week or two in exchange
to participate in the flood of new buyers.
 Author: cosmicray View Messages Posted By cosmicray
 Posted: Feb 7, 2020 16:52
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In General, constructibles writes:
  In General, calsbricks writes:
  Mentioned in one of the AMA responses the idea of a global cart which appears
to be a 'dream' for the current BL team.

What do you think as a buyer/seller?

Interested in stores and buyers views on this.

I would vote YES, with qualifications.
1) This, just like IC, should be OPTIONAL to any seller. Don't like it?
Don't sign up. Of course that means there would really be two parallel
versions of BL for buyers to use but I don't see that as a major obstacle.
2) Extensive testing and feedback from sellers so that the stores that want to
participate have some say in shaping how it ends up working, including all of
the very valid "what if?"'s raised in this thread.

I think that anything that makes it easier for non-AFOLs to shop will drive a
huge increase in sales. That was the original draw to BO, and why they got
some good market traction. We see a lot more 'casual' shoppers on BO
than BL because its just easier to navigate.

I (and others) asked through the AMA if LEGO would do anything to cross promote
the platform (i.e. linking from Lego.com). The immediate answer was 'No'
and if you read between the lines on Julia's response, its clear that BL
is "too AFOL" as it stands. So what if this OPTIONAL program was created, and
sellers enrolled, and Lego started directing traffic into it via the Bricks &
Pieces function? Or a blurb in the catalogs? That would be well worth the price
of changing how orders flow. What if LEGO started advertising that "You can
now buy any LEGO set or element ever made!"

And just for context, Amazon escrows seller funds and eBay escrows funds for
new sellers until you make your metrics. Its a mechanism used by major channels.
Bottom line is that they use that to enforce quality, timeliness, and good customer
service. I would gladly let BL escrow my funds for a week or two in exchange
to participate in the flood of new buyers.

The entire concept of a Global Cart moves us towards a view of BL as being
a single huge marketplace. You then only have one shopping cart, and it contains
products from all the vendors that you have selected. The rub begins when things
like individual seller's minimums and/or per lot get involved. Then you have
to say something like "32 of your 38 lots can be purchased at this time" (or
similar). The only way out of that, is to get seller's to provide a minimum
shipping charge (under all circumstances) so that they can always have their
products participate. That then would potentially make the shipping for that
single global cart appear quite high, compared to the items being ordered. If
we are talking about sets, then the mid issue may be a nothing burger, but when
you get into small number of parts lots, per seller, the problems will more accuse.

Nita Rae
 Author: qwertyboy View Messages Posted By qwertyboy
 Posted: Feb 7, 2020 16:59
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In General, cosmicray writes:
  The entire concept of a Global Cart moves us towards a view of BL as being
a single huge marketplace. You then only have one shopping cart, and it contains
products from all the vendors that you have selected. The rub begins when things
like individual seller's minimums and/or per lot get involved.

I would assume that BL would set some requirements on shops wanting to join the
global cart idea, like not using limitations that inherently make the global
cart check-out impossible. The more uniform shopping requirements are, the easier
and better this cart would work.

(I am not advocating all shops need to conform to the same shopping terms, use
the same shipping prices etc, but I do see some currently allowed practices to
simply be incompatible with global shopping cart check-out, like the "if you
buy more than 10 lots I will charge you 10 bucks more" terms.)

Niek.
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In General, qwertyboy writes:
  In General, cosmicray writes:
  The entire concept of a Global Cart moves us towards a view of BL as being
a single huge marketplace. You then only have one shopping cart, and it contains
products from all the vendors that you have selected. The rub begins when things
like individual seller's minimums and/or per lot get involved.

I would assume that BL would set some requirements on shops wanting to join the
global cart idea, like not using limitations that inherently make the global
cart check-out impossible. The more uniform shopping requirements are, the easier
and better this cart would work.

(I am not advocating all shops need to conform to the same shopping terms, use
the same shipping prices etc, but I do see some currently allowed practices to
simply be incompatible with global shopping cart check-out, like the "if you
buy more than 10 lots I will charge you 10 bucks more" terms.)

Niek.

I could see this happening. Similar to how you can currently limit your searches
or your wanted list auto shop to instant-checkout only shops, I can see how they
would limit being part of a 'global cart' to stores who have for instance
instant checkout, flat weight based shipping fee, no additional charges or costs,
etc.

Once again, it all comes down to the implementation. Once the implementation
is done properly, with the right requirement, right tools, right amount of transparency
at checkout, etc.