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 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Nov 12, 2019 23:03
 Subject: Extended System Downtime
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For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.
 Author: BrickOutLoud View Messages Posted By BrickOutLoud
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Cheers, and thanks for all that you guys do!!


In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.
 Author: TheBrickGuys View Messages Posted By TheBrickGuys
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In Administrative, BrickOutLoud writes:
  Cheers, and thanks for all that you guys do!!


In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

+2
 Author: calsbricks View Messages Posted By calsbricks
 Posted: Nov 13, 2019 02:20
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

Uh Oh
 Author: calsbricks View Messages Posted By calsbricks
 Posted: Nov 13, 2019 03:27
 Subject: Re: Extended System Downtime
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

HI Russell

Thanks for alerting us to this. If you can, please define system upgrades, so
that we all can understand what it is you are talking about

Thank you.
 Author: uvt203 View Messages Posted By uvt203
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 Author: Nathan123 View Messages Posted By Nathan123
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In Administrative, uvt203 writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

That sounds good - but why is it always in the night in US that these updates
are done. It means that in Europe (and mostly rest of the world) the downtime
is in working hours/evening when many people outside US use Bricklink.
If you could start 2 hours earlier the downtime would be divided in half to US
and half to Europe. And you and your guys can get home to sleep much sooner.......

/Asger

Doesn't Noon to 4pm EST fall in the afternoon here in the US or am I missing
something?
 Author: Stuart9 View Messages Posted By Stuart9
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I think someone misread the message.




In Administrative, Nathan123 writes:
  In Administrative, uvt203 writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

That sounds good - but why is it always in the night in US that these updates
are done. It means that in Europe (and mostly rest of the world) the downtime
is in working hours/evening when many people outside US use Bricklink.
If you could start 2 hours earlier the downtime would be divided in half to US
and half to Europe. And you and your guys can get home to sleep much sooner.......

/Asger

Doesn't Noon to 4pm EST fall in the afternoon here in the US or am I missing
something?
 Author: uvt203 View Messages Posted By uvt203
 Posted: Nov 13, 2019 08:06
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In Administrative, Stuart9 writes:
  I think someone misread the message.

Yes I did - thanks

/Asger
  



In Administrative, Nathan123 writes:
  In Administrative, uvt203 writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

That sounds good - but why is it always in the night in US that these updates
are done. It means that in Europe (and mostly rest of the world) the downtime
is in working hours/evening when many people outside US use Bricklink.
If you could start 2 hours earlier the downtime would be divided in half to US
and half to Europe. And you and your guys can get home to sleep much sooner.......

/Asger

Doesn't Noon to 4pm EST fall in the afternoon here in the US or am I missing
something?
 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

Thanks for the update Russell, and "werkze" (good luck working) to the team.
Hope to see Bricklink come back online with iDeal as a payment method
 Author: chetzler View Messages Posted By chetzler
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

No surprises, please. If there are going to be even moderate changes to site
functionality do us the courtesy of at least telling us about them before the
"upgrades".
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
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In Administrative, chetzler writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

No surprises, please. If there are going to be even moderate changes to site
functionality do us the courtesy of at least telling us about them before the
"upgrades".

No changes in site functionality.
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  […]
No changes in site functionality.

What about the “no more 500 errors… or at least a bit fewer” feature?
 Author: calsbricks View Messages Posted By calsbricks
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, chetzler writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

No surprises, please. If there are going to be even moderate changes to site
functionality do us the courtesy of at least telling us about them before the
"upgrades".

No changes in site functionality.

Thank you for commenting further Russell. If there are no changes to site functionality
then 4 hours is an awful lot of downtime. Are there system upgrades or hardware
changes being made? I hope you understand how important knowing these things
is to the members. There are a large number of them who earn a crust of bread
from this site and losing 25% of the day can cause concern.

I am sure there are probably changes which we do not need to know about eg. database
updates, hot fixes, etc. as well a general tidy up with op systems etc, but a
bit more clarity is not going to do any harm - actually it is going to do more
good than harm.

We appreciate the workload some of you have and also the constraints that you
have to operate under, but providing your customers with a better understanding
of what is going on is always worth its weight in 'lego bricks'

Thanks.
 Author: mfav View Messages Posted By mfav
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In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  We appreciate the workload some of you have and also the constraints that you
have to operate under, but providing your customers with a better understanding
of what is going on is always worth its weight in 'lego bricks'

Uh huh.

http://v4ei.com/mini-fig-ure-outer/comics/index.php
 Author: Heartbricker View Messages Posted By Heartbricker
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In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, chetzler writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

No surprises, please. If there are going to be even moderate changes to site
functionality do us the courtesy of at least telling us about them before the
"upgrades".

No changes in site functionality.

Thank you for commenting further Russell. If there are no changes to site functionality
then 4 hours is an awful lot of downtime. Are there system upgrades or hardware
changes being made? I hope you understand how important knowing these things
is to the members. There are a large number of them who earn a crust of bread
from this site and losing 25% of the day can cause concern.

I am sure there are probably changes which we do not need to know about eg. database
updates, hot fixes, etc. as well a general tidy up with op systems etc, but a
bit more clarity is not going to do any harm - actually it is going to do more
good than harm.

We appreciate the workload some of you have and also the constraints that you
have to operate under, but providing your customers with a better understanding
of what is going on is always worth its weight in 'lego bricks'

Thanks.


You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

If the Admin deems that it is necessary to lose 4 hours in which they will miss
far more revenue than you then I think we can all stomach that.
This enterprise doesn’t owe you explanations, yet they do make an enormous effort
to be as transparent as they can be.

Please have some empathy, the Admin has to walk a fine line between satisfying
the needs of the community and following the owners directives- no need to add
more stress and disapproval.

Based on my extensive personal experience with Russell , this is an honest, reasonable
and very well intentioned and hard working individual - I and my team have nothing
but trust, respect and gratitude for this team’s hard work.

I also have a lot of respect for you and your great insights you provide to our
community, the stats that you share are valuable too but I wish you could show
more empathy, sincere gratitude, and trust in the people who do so much for us
with little resources and for keeping our commission rates so low for so long.
Most respectfully.
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In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:

  You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

I (and others) pointed this out so much that Cal eventually made his own group
(echo chamber) somewhere else so he and others could complain and nitpick in
peace.

Worked for a few months but now the complaining has started to slowly return
over here, which is disappointing, to say the least. I'm guessing there was
not enough reinforcement of the behavior to make it long term viable .
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In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:

  You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

I (and others) pointed this out so much that Cal eventually made his own group
(echo chamber) somewhere else so he and others could complain and nitpick in
peace.

Worked for a few months but now the complaining has started to slowly return
over here, which is disappointing, to say the least. I'm guessing there was
not enough reinforcement of the behavior to make it long term viable .


I believe you do not know what you are talking about. The 60+ stores who have
joined our group (39 of whom have joined the forum) are all experienced stores
who take matters seriously and are devoid of forum trolls.
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In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:

  You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

I (and others) pointed this out so much that Cal eventually made his own group
(echo chamber) somewhere else so he and others could complain and nitpick in
peace.

Why would people want to complain somewhere where their complaints aren't
heard?
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In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:

  You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

I (and others) pointed this out so much that Cal eventually made his own group
(echo chamber) somewhere else so he and others could complain and nitpick in
peace.

Why would people want to complain somewhere where their complaints aren't
heard?


No offense, truly because you seem to be the sanest one of the little clique
, but how does that logic make any sense,

"My concerns aren't being addressed so let's get a group of like-minded
people who won't question each other, go to a third party site and complain
there so we won't get called out on our pervasive negativity. Also the party
we are complaint about will never see our posts"

Yes that sounds much more productive.

Bricklink has basically friend zoned a few of the worst offenders and they keep
asking "why??? I'm such a nice guy! I deserve you, do what I want, I'll
treat you better than that other person, just listen to me. "



Meh, it was good while it lasted.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm happy it exists.
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In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:

  You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

I (and others) pointed this out so much that Cal eventually made his own group
(echo chamber) somewhere else so he and others could complain and nitpick in
peace.

Why would people want to complain somewhere where their complaints aren't
heard?


No offense, truly because you seem to be the sanest one of the little clique
, but how does that logic make any sense,

"My concerns aren't being addressed so let's get a group of like-minded
people who won't question each other, go to a third party site and complain
there so we won't get called out on our pervasive negativity. Also the party
we are complaint about will never see our posts"

Yes that sounds much more productive.

[without autocorrect this time ]

I agree with your analysis, minus the sarcasm. But how is this behavior you're
criticizing, any better than your "pervasive" use of the ignore feature, that
you opening recruit others here to use?

I truly enjoy both yours and Bill's contributions here in the forum, even
though my replies to your posts you'll unfortunately, not see  

I appreciate any/all that are willing to express themselves freely. As far as
I'm concerned, I don't have to understand or agree at all, as long as
it get's me thinking outside of my own thoughts. It's naturally uncomfortable
sometimes, but healthy.

-Cory

  
Bricklink has basically friend zoned a few of the worst offenders and they keep
asking "why??? I'm such a nice guy! I deserve you, do what I want, I'll
treat you better than that other person, just listen to me. "



Meh, it was good while it lasted.
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In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:

  You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

I (and others) pointed this out so much that Cal eventually made his own group
(echo chamber) somewhere else so he and others could complain and nitpick in
peace.

Why would people want to complain somewhere where their complaints aren't
heard?


No offense, truly because you seem to be the sanest one of the little clique
, but how does that logic make any sense,

"My concerns aren't being addressed so let's get a group of like-minded
people who won't question each other, go to a third party site and complain
there so we won't get called out on our pervasive negativity. Also the party
we are complaint about will never see our posts"

Yes that sounds much more productive.

[without autocorrect this time ]

I agree with your analysis, minus the sarcasm. But how is this behavior you're
criticizing, any better than your "pervasive" use of the ignore feature, that
you opening recruit others here to use?

Why ignore anyone - we all have our views and we are all different that is what
makes up the world. Sometimes you will agree and sometimes you will not but to
make up a view without any basis and then publish it is not the best way to approach
things. I am sure the 60+ members of our group would take exception to the comments
which have been levied at us today by someone who knows little, if anything about
us or the purpose we were set up for. And funny enough we do have the messages
from Russell confirming that.
  
I truly enjoy both yours and Bill's contributions here in the forum, even
though my replies to your posts you'll unfortunately, not see  

We don't always agree either but that doesn't mean w ignore - how petty.
  
I appreciate any/all that are willing to express themselves freely. As far as
I'm concerned, I don't have to understand or agree at all, as long as
it get's me thinking outside of my own thoughts. It's naturally uncomfortable
sometimes, but healthy.

We do agree with your thoughts on this. It is a great pity not everyone looks
at life in a realistic way.
  
-Cory

  
Bricklink has basically friend zoned a few of the worst offenders and they keep
asking "why??? I'm such a nice guy! I deserve you, do what I want, I'll
treat you better than that other person, just listen to me. "



Meh, it was good while it lasted.
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In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:

  You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

I (and others) pointed this out so much that Cal eventually made his own group
(echo chamber) somewhere else so he and others could complain and nitpick in
peace.

Why would people want to complain somewhere where their complaints aren't
heard?


No offense, truly because you seem to be the sanest one of the little clique
, but how does that logic make any sense,

"My concerns aren't being addressed so let's get a group of like-minded
people who won't question each other, go to a third party site and complain
there so we won't get called out on our pervasive negativity. Also the party
we are complaint about will never see our posts"

Yes that sounds much more productive.

[without autocorrect this time ]

I agree with your analysis, minus the sarcasm. But how is this behavior you're
criticizing, any better than your "pervasive" use of the ignore feature, that
you opening recruit others here to use?

Should be any *worst* than... I apologize for the ramblings..Been up all night,
haven't sleep in quite awhile. I really shouldn't post anything in this
state of mind.

  
Why ignore anyone - we all have our views and we are all different that is what
makes up the world. Sometimes you will agree and sometimes you will not but to
make up a view without any basis and then publish it is not the best way to approach
things. I am sure the 60+ members of our group would take exception to the comments
which have been levied at us today by someone who knows little, if anything about
us or the purpose we were set up for. And funny enough we do have the messages
from Russell confirming that.
  
I truly enjoy both yours and Bill's contributions here in the forum, even
though my replies to your posts you'll unfortunately, not see  

We don't always agree either but that doesn't mean w ignore - how petty.
  
I appreciate any/all that are willing to express themselves freely. As far as
I'm concerned, I don't have to understand or agree at all, as long as
it get's me thinking outside of my own thoughts. It's naturally uncomfortable
sometimes, but healthy.

We do agree with your thoughts on this. It is a great pity not everyone looks
at life in a realistic way.
  
-Cory

  
Bricklink has basically friend zoned a few of the worst offenders and they keep
asking "why??? I'm such a nice guy! I deserve you, do what I want, I'll
treat you better than that other person, just listen to me. "



Meh, it was good while it lasted.
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In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:

  You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

I (and others) pointed this out so much that Cal eventually made his own group
(echo chamber) somewhere else so he and others could complain and nitpick in
peace.

Why would people want to complain somewhere where their complaints aren't
heard?


No offense, truly because you seem to be the sanest one of the little clique
, but how does that logic make any sense,

"My concerns aren't being addressed so let's get a group of like-minded
people who won't question each other, go to a third party site and complain
there so we won't get called out on our pervasive negativity. Also the party
we are complaint about will never see our posts"

Yes that sounds much more productive.

[without autocorrect this time ]

I agree with your analysis, minus the sarcasm. But how is this behavior you're
criticizing, any better than your "pervasive" use of the ignore feature, that
you opening recruit others here to use?

Why ignore anyone - we all have our views and we are all different that is what
makes up the world. Sometimes you will agree and sometimes you will not but to
make up a view without any basis and then publish it is not the best way to approach
things. I am sure the 60+ members of our group would take exception to the comments
which have been levied at us today by someone who knows little, if anything about
us or the purpose we were set up for. And funny enough we do have the messages
from Russell confirming that.

Please don't misunderstand me, I support your efforts, as I've stated
when you announced your intentions to launch your parallel forum/group thing.
It's just that I view it (or it's proposition) somewhat as Crystal
does, like I said minus the sarcasm maybe.

But in all fairness, I really don't know what it's about fully and so
I shouldn't comment on it. That being said, I very much enjoy the ideas and
thoughts you post here.

  
  
I truly enjoy both yours and Bill's contributions here in the forum, even
though my replies to your posts you'll unfortunately, not see  

We don't always agree either but that doesn't mean w ignore - how petty.
  
I appreciate any/all that are willing to express themselves freely. As far as
I'm concerned, I don't have to understand or agree at all, as long as
it get's me thinking outside of my own thoughts. It's naturally uncomfortable
sometimes, but healthy.

We do agree with your thoughts on this. It is a great pity not everyone looks
at life in a realistic way.
  
-Cory

  
Bricklink has basically friend zoned a few of the worst offenders and they keep
asking "why??? I'm such a nice guy! I deserve you, do what I want, I'll
treat you better than that other person, just listen to me. "



Meh, it was good while it lasted.
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In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:

  You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

I (and others) pointed this out so much that Cal eventually made his own group
(echo chamber) somewhere else so he and others could complain and nitpick in
peace.

Why would people want to complain somewhere where their complaints aren't
heard?


No offense, truly because you seem to be the sanest one of the little clique
, but how does that logic make any sense,

"My concerns aren't being addressed so let's get a group of like-minded
people who won't question each other, go to a third party site and complain
there so we won't get called out on our pervasive negativity. Also the party
we are complaint about will never see our posts"

Yes that sounds much more productive.

[without autocorrect this time ]

I agree with your analysis, minus the sarcasm. But how is this behavior you're
criticizing, any better than your "pervasive" use of the ignore feature, that
you opening recruit others here to use?

Why ignore anyone - we all have our views and we are all different that is what
makes up the world. Sometimes you will agree and sometimes you will not but to
make up a view without any basis and then publish it is not the best way to approach
things. I am sure the 60+ members of our group would take exception to the comments
which have been levied at us today by someone who knows little, if anything about
us or the purpose we were set up for. And funny enough we do have the messages
from Russell confirming that.

Please don't misunderstand me, I support your efforts, as I've stated
when you announced your intentions to launch your parallel forum/group thing.
It's just that I view it (or it's proposition) somewhat as Crystal
does, like I said minus the sarcasm maybe.

All 60 of the members know what we were set up for and all of them wanted a separate
forum rather than taking up admin-russells kind offer of a new topic for the
user group. We keep to ourselves and do not bother anyone on this forum with
what we are discussing over there. That is the way it will stay as far as I am
concerned. We also have control on who are members and those who have a reputation
before them of being argumentative over every little thing are unlikely to be
welcomed aboard.

  
But in all fairness, I really don't know what it's about fully and so
I shouldn't comment on it. That being said, I very much enjoy the ideas and
thoughts you post here.

Pity that logic isn't used by more. There are a number of "we will attack
CalsBricks no matter what they have to say" ((The only thing they don't jump
on is the packaging dimensions )). If they only knew that is like water off
a ducks back. We have very broad shoulders and can take anything and everything
they have to throw.

We read your posts on a regular basis if there is something of interest and whilst
we do not always agree with what you have to say we will not dispute your right
to say it.

Having lived a 3rd of my life in Buffalo New York and only coming to the UK in
1963 I have watched the brits go from being worried about standing up for themselves
to being quite good at it.

Even guys in my team are now very good at standing up for themselves in a discussion.

The days of Foster and others may be over but the forum is still alive and kicking.,
long shall that remain. (In between 500 errors of course)
  
  
  
I truly enjoy both yours and Bill's contributions here in the forum, even
though my replies to your posts you'll unfortunately, not see  

We don't always agree either but that doesn't mean w ignore - how petty.
  
I appreciate any/all that are willing to express themselves freely. As far as
I'm concerned, I don't have to understand or agree at all, as long as
it get's me thinking outside of my own thoughts. It's naturally uncomfortable
sometimes, but healthy.

We do agree with your thoughts on this. It is a great pity not everyone looks
at life in a realistic way.
  
-Cory

  
Bricklink has basically friend zoned a few of the worst offenders and they keep
asking "why??? I'm such a nice guy! I deserve you, do what I want, I'll
treat you better than that other person, just listen to me. "



Meh, it was good while it lasted.
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In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:

  You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

I (and others) pointed this out so much that Cal eventually made his own group
(echo chamber) somewhere else so he and others could complain and nitpick in
peace.

Why would people want to complain somewhere where their complaints aren't
heard?


No offense, truly because you seem to be the sanest one of the little clique
, but how does that logic make any sense,

"My concerns aren't being addressed so let's get a group of like-minded
people who won't question each other, go to a third party site and complain
there so we won't get called out on our pervasive negativity. Also the party
we are complaint about will never see our posts"

Yes that sounds much more productive.

[without autocorrect this time ]

I agree with your analysis, minus the sarcasm. But how is this behavior you're
criticizing, any better than your "pervasive" use of the ignore feature, that
you opening recruit others here to use?

Why ignore anyone - we all have our views and we are all different that is what
makes up the world. Sometimes you will agree and sometimes you will not but to
make up a view without any basis and then publish it is not the best way to approach
things. I am sure the 60+ members of our group would take exception to the comments
which have been levied at us today by someone who knows little, if anything about
us or the purpose we were set up for. And funny enough we do have the messages
from Russell confirming that.

Please don't misunderstand me, I support your efforts, as I've stated
when you announced your intentions to launch your parallel forum/group thing.
It's just that I view it (or it's proposition) somewhat as Crystal
does, like I said minus the sarcasm maybe.

All 60 of the members know what we were set up for and all of them wanted a separate
forum rather than taking up admin-russells kind offer of a new topic for the
user group. We keep to ourselves and do not bother anyone on this forum with
what we are discussing over there. That is the way it will stay as far as I am
concerned. We also have control on who are members and those who have a reputation
before them of being argumentative over every little thing are unlikely to be
welcomed aboard.

  
But in all fairness, I really don't know what it's about fully and so
I shouldn't comment on it. That being said, I very much enjoy the ideas and
thoughts you post here.

Pity that logic isn't used by more. There are a number of "we will attack
CalsBricks no matter what they have to say" ((The only thing they don't jump
on is the packaging dimensions )). If they only knew that is like water off
a ducks back. We have very broad shoulders and can take anything and everything
they have to throw.


Let's try that one out.



  We read your posts on a regular basis if there is something of interest and whilst
we do not always agree with what you have to say we will not dispute your right
to say it.

Having lived a 3rd of my life in Buffalo New York and only coming to the UK in
1963 I have watched the brits go from being worried about standing up for themselves
to being quite good at it.

Even guys in my team are now very good at standing up for themselves in a discussion.

The days of Foster and others may be over but the forum is still alive and kicking.,
long shall that remain. (In between 500 errors of course)
  
  
  
I truly enjoy both yours and Bill's contributions here in the forum, even
though my replies to your posts you'll unfortunately, not see  

We don't always agree either but that doesn't mean w ignore - how petty.
  
I appreciate any/all that are willing to express themselves freely. As far as
I'm concerned, I don't have to understand or agree at all, as long as
it get's me thinking outside of my own thoughts. It's naturally uncomfortable
sometimes, but healthy.

We do agree with your thoughts on this. It is a great pity not everyone looks
at life in a realistic way.
  
-Cory

  
Bricklink has basically friend zoned a few of the worst offenders and they keep
asking "why??? I'm such a nice guy! I deserve you, do what I want, I'll
treat you better than that other person, just listen to me. "



Meh, it was good while it lasted.
 
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In Administrative, Stuart9 writes:
  In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:

  You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

I (and others) pointed this out so much that Cal eventually made his own group
(echo chamber) somewhere else so he and others could complain and nitpick in
peace.

Why would people want to complain somewhere where their complaints aren't
heard?


No offense, truly because you seem to be the sanest one of the little clique
, but how does that logic make any sense,

"My concerns aren't being addressed so let's get a group of like-minded
people who won't question each other, go to a third party site and complain
there so we won't get called out on our pervasive negativity. Also the party
we are complaint about will never see our posts"

Yes that sounds much more productive.

[without autocorrect this time ]

I agree with your analysis, minus the sarcasm. But how is this behavior you're
criticizing, any better than your "pervasive" use of the ignore feature, that
you opening recruit others here to use?

Why ignore anyone - we all have our views and we are all different that is what
makes up the world. Sometimes you will agree and sometimes you will not but to
make up a view without any basis and then publish it is not the best way to approach
things. I am sure the 60+ members of our group would take exception to the comments
which have been levied at us today by someone who knows little, if anything about
us or the purpose we were set up for. And funny enough we do have the messages
from Russell confirming that.

Please don't misunderstand me, I support your efforts, as I've stated
when you announced your intentions to launch your parallel forum/group thing.
It's just that I view it (or it's proposition) somewhat as Crystal
does, like I said minus the sarcasm maybe.

All 60 of the members know what we were set up for and all of them wanted a separate
forum rather than taking up admin-russells kind offer of a new topic for the
user group. We keep to ourselves and do not bother anyone on this forum with
what we are discussing over there. That is the way it will stay as far as I am
concerned. We also have control on who are members and those who have a reputation
before them of being argumentative over every little thing are unlikely to be
welcomed aboard.

  
But in all fairness, I really don't know what it's about fully and so
I shouldn't comment on it. That being said, I very much enjoy the ideas and
thoughts you post here.

Pity that logic isn't used by more. There are a number of "we will attack
CalsBricks no matter what they have to say" ((The only thing they don't jump
on is the packaging dimensions )). If they only knew that is like water off
a ducks back. We have very broad shoulders and can take anything and everything
they have to throw.


Let's try that one out.

Go for it
  


  We read your posts on a regular basis if there is something of interest and whilst
we do not always agree with what you have to say we will not dispute your right
to say it.

Having lived a 3rd of my life in Buffalo New York and only coming to the UK in
1963 I have watched the brits go from being worried about standing up for themselves
to being quite good at it.

Even guys in my team are now very good at standing up for themselves in a discussion.

The days of Foster and others may be over but the forum is still alive and kicking.,
long shall that remain. (In between 500 errors of course)
  
  
  
I truly enjoy both yours and Bill's contributions here in the forum, even
though my replies to your posts you'll unfortunately, not see  

We don't always agree either but that doesn't mean w ignore - how petty.
  
I appreciate any/all that are willing to express themselves freely. As far as
I'm concerned, I don't have to understand or agree at all, as long as
it get's me thinking outside of my own thoughts. It's naturally uncomfortable
sometimes, but healthy.

We do agree with your thoughts on this. It is a great pity not everyone looks
at life in a realistic way.
  
-Cory

  
Bricklink has basically friend zoned a few of the worst offenders and they keep
asking "why??? I'm such a nice guy! I deserve you, do what I want, I'll
treat you better than that other person, just listen to me. "



Meh, it was good while it lasted.
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In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:

  You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

I (and others) pointed this out so much that Cal eventually made his own group
(echo chamber) somewhere else so he and others could complain and nitpick in
peace.

Why would people want to complain somewhere where their complaints aren't
heard?


No offense, truly because you seem to be the sanest one of the little clique
, but how does that logic make any sense,

"My concerns aren't being addressed so let's get a group of like-minded
people who won't question each other, go to a third party site and complain
there so we won't get called out on our pervasive negativity. Also the party
we are complaint about will never see our posts"

Yes that sounds much more productive.

[without autocorrect this time ]

I agree with your analysis, minus the sarcasm. But how is this behavior you're
criticizing, any better than your "pervasive" use of the ignore feature, that
you opening recruit others here to use?

Why ignore anyone - we all have our views and we are all different that is what
makes up the world. Sometimes you will agree and sometimes you will not but to
make up a view without any basis and then publish it is not the best way to approach
things. I am sure the 60+ members of our group would take exception to the comments
which have been levied at us today by someone who knows little, if anything about
us or the purpose we were set up for. And funny enough we do have the messages
from Russell confirming that.

Please don't misunderstand me, I support your efforts, as I've stated
when you announced your intentions to launch your parallel forum/group thing.
It's just that I view it (or it's proposition) somewhat as Crystal
does, like I said minus the sarcasm maybe.

All 60 of the members know what we were set up for and all of them wanted a separate
forum rather than taking up admin-russells kind offer of a new topic for the user group.

Actually sounds like an interesting offer.

  We keep to ourselves and do not bother anyone on this forum with
what we are discussing over there. That is the way it will stay as far as I am concerned.

So it's a form of ignore feature, but for a group?

  

We also have control on who are members and those who have a reputation
before them of being argumentative over every little thing are unlikely to be welcomed aboard.

It's this kind of idea I have trouble with. It's another system for excluding
unwanted expression that's, given human nature, open to exploitation.

  
  
But in all fairness, I really don't know what it's about fully and so
I shouldn't comment on it. That being said, I very much enjoy the ideas and
thoughts you post here.

Pity that logic isn't used by more. There are a number of "we will attack
CalsBricks no matter what they have to say" ((The only thing they don't jump
on is the packaging dimensions )). If they only knew that is like water off
a ducks back. We have very broad shoulders and can take anything and everything
they have to throw.

You have indeed shown yourself to have broad shoulders

  
We read your posts on a regular basis if there is something of interest and whilst
we do not always agree with what you have to say we will not dispute your right to say it.

What! You don't agree with all I have to say? From my point of view, that's
hard to believe

  
Having lived a 3rd of my life in Buffalo New York and only coming to the UK in
1963 I have watched the brits go from being worried about standing up for themselves
to being quite good at it.

Buffalo, NY! I betcha it was the frozen 3rd of your life

  
Even guys in my team are now very good at standing up for themselves in a discussion.

The days of Foster and others may be over but the forum is still alive and kicking.,
long shall that remain. (In between 500 errors of course)

He left his mark, for sure... I'd be in the minority, I take it, by saying
a kinda miss him here in the forum.

  
  
  
  
I truly enjoy both yours and Bill's contributions here in the forum, even
though my replies to your posts you'll unfortunately, not see  

We don't always agree either but that doesn't mean w ignore - how petty.
  
I appreciate any/all that are willing to express themselves freely. As far as
I'm concerned, I don't have to understand or agree at all, as long as
it get's me thinking outside of my own thoughts. It's naturally uncomfortable
sometimes, but healthy.

We do agree with your thoughts on this. It is a great pity not everyone looks at life in a realistic way.

You mean 'our' way, of course

  

  
  
  
-Cory

  
Bricklink has basically friend zoned a few of the worst offenders and they keep
asking "why??? I'm such a nice guy! I deserve you, do what I want, I'll
treat you better than that other person, just listen to me. "



Meh, it was good while it lasted.
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In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:

  You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

I (and others) pointed this out so much that Cal eventually made his own group
(echo chamber) somewhere else so he and others could complain and nitpick in
peace.

Why would people want to complain somewhere where their complaints aren't
heard?


No offense, truly because you seem to be the sanest one of the little clique
, but how does that logic make any sense,

"My concerns aren't being addressed so let's get a group of like-minded
people who won't question each other, go to a third party site and complain
there so we won't get called out on our pervasive negativity. Also the party
we are complaint about will never see our posts"

Yes that sounds much more productive.

[without autocorrect this time ]

I agree with your analysis, minus the sarcasm. But how is this behavior you're
criticizing, any better than your "pervasive" use of the ignore feature, that
you opening recruit others here to use?

Why ignore anyone - we all have our views and we are all different that is what
makes up the world. Sometimes you will agree and sometimes you will not but to
make up a view without any basis and then publish it is not the best way to approach
things. I am sure the 60+ members of our group would take exception to the comments
which have been levied at us today by someone who knows little, if anything about
us or the purpose we were set up for. And funny enough we do have the messages
from Russell confirming that.

Please don't misunderstand me, I support your efforts, as I've stated
when you announced your intentions to launch your parallel forum/group thing.
It's just that I view it (or it's proposition) somewhat as Crystal
does, like I said minus the sarcasm maybe.

All 60 of the members know what we were set up for and all of them wanted a separate
forum rather than taking up admin-russells kind offer of a new topic for the user group.

Actually sounds like an interesting offer.

It was but on a ballot/poll basis 95% wanted separate and that is why we did
that.
  
  We keep to ourselves and do not bother anyone on this forum with
what we are discussing over there. That is the way it will stay as far as I am concerned.

So it's a form of ignore feature, but for a group?

No all members of our forum are not ignoring anything on this forum that I am
aware of - there might be a few odd issues there but they read this forum and
sometimes bring their thoughts on those issues to our forum for further discussion.
It is by no means an ignore approach. We just wanted to have sensible discussions
over future developments on Bricklink and as I said we got Russells agreement
to look at what we had to say and do his 'best' with no guarantees.
  
  

We also have control on who are members and those who have a reputation
before them of being argumentative over every little thing are unlikely to be welcomed aboard.

It's this kind of idea I have trouble with. It's another system for excluding
unwanted expression that's, given human nature, open to exploitation.

It was our way of saying anyone and all are accepted subject to our guidelines.
We didn't want the trolls who divert discussion, if they can, to their agenda.
To date in the 3 months or so we have been operating we are without that problem.
We get enough of that here. No point in getting it twice.
  
  
  
But in all fairness, I really don't know what it's about fully and so
I shouldn't comment on it. That being said, I very much enjoy the ideas and
thoughts you post here.

Pity that logic isn't used by more. There are a number of "we will attack
CalsBricks no matter what they have to say" ((The only thing they don't jump
on is the packaging dimensions )). If they only knew that is like water off
a ducks back. We have very broad shoulders and can take anything and everything
they have to throw.

You have indeed shown yourself to have broad shoulders

  
We read your posts on a regular basis if there is something of interest and whilst
we do not always agree with what you have to say we will not dispute your right to say it.

What! You don't agree with all I have to say? From my point of view, that's
hard to believe

Yes I know - that is how we feel as well
  
  
Having lived a 3rd of my life in Buffalo New York and only coming to the UK in
1963 I have watched the brits go from being worried about standing up for themselves
to being quite good at it.

Buffalo, NY! I betcha it was the frozen 3rd of your life 1945 to 1963 and yess there were some very cold winters with lots and lots of snow (something I dearly miss over here - what you put chains on your tires!!!!)

  
Even guys in my team are now very good at standing up for themselves in a discussion.

The days of Foster and others may be over but the forum is still alive and kicking.,
long shall that remain. (In between 500 errors of course)

He left his mark, for sure... I'd be in the minority, I take it, by saying
a kinda miss him here in the forum.

Not the minority - I think it is the silent majority of thosewho are left from
those days. I know my id card says 2008 but I was actually on board 3 years before
that in 2005 when we bought our first vintage set from a Canadian store. I think
that got lost in the switch from me to CalsBricks, but it doesn't really
matter.
  
  
  
  
  
I truly enjoy both yours and Bill's contributions here in the forum, even
though my replies to your posts you'll unfortunately, not see  

We don't always agree either but that doesn't mean w ignore - how petty.
  
I appreciate any/all that are willing to express themselves freely. As far as
I'm concerned, I don't have to understand or agree at all, as long as
it get's me thinking outside of my own thoughts. It's naturally uncomfortable
sometimes, but healthy.

We do agree with your thoughts on this. It is a great pity not everyone looks at life in a realistic way.

You mean 'our' way, of course

Whatever
  
  

  
  
  
-Cory

  
Bricklink has basically friend zoned a few of the worst offenders and they keep
asking "why??? I'm such a nice guy! I deserve you, do what I want, I'll
treat you better than that other person, just listen to me. "



Meh, it was good while it lasted.
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In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:

  You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

I (and others) pointed this out so much that Cal eventually made his own group
(echo chamber) somewhere else so he and others could complain and nitpick in
peace.

Why would people want to complain somewhere where their complaints aren't
heard?


No offense, truly because you seem to be the sanest one of the little clique
, but how does that logic make any sense,

"My concerns aren't being addressed so let's get a group of like-minded
people who won't question each other, go to a third party site and complain
there so we won't get called out on our pervasive negativity. Also the party
we are complaint about will never see our posts"

Yes that sounds much more productive.

[without autocorrect this time ]

I agree with your analysis, minus the sarcasm. But how is this behavior you're
criticizing, any better than your "pervasive" use of the ignore feature, that
you opening recruit others here to use?

Why ignore anyone - we all have our views and we are all different that is what
makes up the world. Sometimes you will agree and sometimes you will not but to
make up a view without any basis and then publish it is not the best way to approach
things. I am sure the 60+ members of our group would take exception to the comments
which have been levied at us today by someone who knows little, if anything about
us or the purpose we were set up for. And funny enough we do have the messages
from Russell confirming that.

Please don't misunderstand me, I support your efforts, as I've stated
when you announced your intentions to launch your parallel forum/group thing.
It's just that I view it (or it's proposition) somewhat as Crystal
does, like I said minus the sarcasm maybe.

All 60 of the members know what we were set up for and all of them wanted a separate
forum rather than taking up admin-russells kind offer of a new topic for the user group.

Actually sounds like an interesting offer.

  We keep to ourselves and do not bother anyone on this forum with
what we are discussing over there. That is the way it will stay as far as I am concerned.

So it's a form of ignore feature, but for a group?

  

We also have control on who are members and those who have a reputation
before them of being argumentative over every little thing are unlikely to be welcomed aboard.

It's this kind of idea I have trouble with. It's another system for excluding
unwanted expression that's, given human nature, open to exploitation.

  
  
But in all fairness, I really don't know what it's about fully and so
I shouldn't comment on it. That being said, I very much enjoy the ideas and
thoughts you post here.

Pity that logic isn't used by more. There are a number of "we will attack
CalsBricks no matter what they have to say" ((The only thing they don't jump
on is the packaging dimensions )). If they only knew that is like water off
a ducks back. We have very broad shoulders and can take anything and everything
they have to throw.

You have indeed shown yourself to have broad shoulders

  
We read your posts on a regular basis if there is something of interest and whilst
we do not always agree with what you have to say we will not dispute your right to say it.

What! You don't agree with all I have to say? From my point of view, that's
hard to believe

  
Having lived a 3rd of my life in Buffalo New York and only coming to the UK in
1963 I have watched the brits go from being worried about standing up for themselves
to being quite good at it.

Buffalo, NY! I betcha it was the frozen 3rd of your life

  
Even guys in my team are now very good at standing up for themselves in a discussion.

The days of Foster and others may be over but the forum is still alive and kicking.,
long shall that remain. (In between 500 errors of course)

He left his mark, for sure... I'd be in the minority, I take it, by saying
a kinda miss him here in the forum.

  
  
  
  
I truly enjoy both yours and Bill's contributions here in the forum, even
though my replies to your posts you'll unfortunately, not see  

We don't always agree either but that doesn't mean w ignore - how petty.
  
I appreciate any/all that are willing to express themselves freely. As far as
I'm concerned, I don't have to understand or agree at all, as long as
it get's me thinking outside of my own thoughts. It's naturally uncomfortable
sometimes, but healthy.

We do agree with your thoughts on this. It is a great pity not everyone looks at life in a realistic way.

You mean 'our' way, of course

  

  
  
  
-Cory

  
Bricklink has basically friend zoned a few of the worst offenders and they keep
asking "why??? I'm such a nice guy! I deserve you, do what I want, I'll
treat you better than that other person, just listen to me. "



Meh, it was good while it lasted.

I was just 'robbed' of the ability to reply to calsbricks' (super
tantrumy) reply to my statements. he really went off the rails there.
Up until that point i respected that he at least never got into personal insults
but I guess it's not easy to participate in a discussion in an environment
where others might have different opinions from you.
Yeah, that's the temperament of someone i'd like Bricklink to take advise
from...
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In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:
  In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:

  You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

I (and others) pointed this out so much that Cal eventually made his own group
(echo chamber) somewhere else so he and others could complain and nitpick in
peace.

Why would people want to complain somewhere where their complaints aren't
heard?


No offense, truly because you seem to be the sanest one of the little clique
, but how does that logic make any sense,

"My concerns aren't being addressed so let's get a group of like-minded
people who won't question each other, go to a third party site and complain
there so we won't get called out on our pervasive negativity. Also the party
we are complaint about will never see our posts"

Yes that sounds much more productive.

[without autocorrect this time ]

I agree with your analysis, minus the sarcasm. But how is this behavior you're
criticizing, any better than your "pervasive" use of the ignore feature, that
you opening recruit others here to use?

Why ignore anyone - we all have our views and we are all different that is what
makes up the world. Sometimes you will agree and sometimes you will not but to
make up a view without any basis and then publish it is not the best way to approach
things. I am sure the 60+ members of our group would take exception to the comments
which have been levied at us today by someone who knows little, if anything about
us or the purpose we were set up for. And funny enough we do have the messages
from Russell confirming that.

Please don't misunderstand me, I support your efforts, as I've stated
when you announced your intentions to launch your parallel forum/group thing.
It's just that I view it (or it's proposition) somewhat as Crystal
does, like I said minus the sarcasm maybe.

All 60 of the members know what we were set up for and all of them wanted a separate
forum rather than taking up admin-russells kind offer of a new topic for the user group.

Actually sounds like an interesting offer.

  We keep to ourselves and do not bother anyone on this forum with
what we are discussing over there. That is the way it will stay as far as I am concerned.

So it's a form of ignore feature, but for a group?

  

We also have control on who are members and those who have a reputation
before them of being argumentative over every little thing are unlikely to be welcomed aboard.

It's this kind of idea I have trouble with. It's another system for excluding
unwanted expression that's, given human nature, open to exploitation.

  
  
But in all fairness, I really don't know what it's about fully and so
I shouldn't comment on it. That being said, I very much enjoy the ideas and
thoughts you post here.

Pity that logic isn't used by more. There are a number of "we will attack
CalsBricks no matter what they have to say" ((The only thing they don't jump
on is the packaging dimensions )). If they only knew that is like water off
a ducks back. We have very broad shoulders and can take anything and everything
they have to throw.

You have indeed shown yourself to have broad shoulders

  
We read your posts on a regular basis if there is something of interest and whilst
we do not always agree with what you have to say we will not dispute your right to say it.

What! You don't agree with all I have to say? From my point of view, that's
hard to believe

  
Having lived a 3rd of my life in Buffalo New York and only coming to the UK in
1963 I have watched the brits go from being worried about standing up for themselves
to being quite good at it.

Buffalo, NY! I betcha it was the frozen 3rd of your life

  
Even guys in my team are now very good at standing up for themselves in a discussion.

The days of Foster and others may be over but the forum is still alive and kicking.,
long shall that remain. (In between 500 errors of course)

He left his mark, for sure... I'd be in the minority, I take it, by saying
a kinda miss him here in the forum.

  
  
  
  
I truly enjoy both yours and Bill's contributions here in the forum, even
though my replies to your posts you'll unfortunately, not see  

We don't always agree either but that doesn't mean w ignore - how petty.
  
I appreciate any/all that are willing to express themselves freely. As far as
I'm concerned, I don't have to understand or agree at all, as long as
it get's me thinking outside of my own thoughts. It's naturally uncomfortable
sometimes, but healthy.

We do agree with your thoughts on this. It is a great pity not everyone looks at life in a realistic way.

You mean 'our' way, of course

  

  
  
  
-Cory

  
Bricklink has basically friend zoned a few of the worst offenders and they keep
asking "why??? I'm such a nice guy! I deserve you, do what I want, I'll
treat you better than that other person, just listen to me. "



Meh, it was good while it lasted.

I was just 'robbed' of the ability to reply to calsbricks' (super
tantrumy) reply to my statements. he really went off the rails there.
Up until that point i respected that he at least never got into personal insults
but I guess it's not easy to participate in a discussion in an environment
where others might have different opinions from you.
Yeah, that's the temperament of someone i'd like Bricklink to take advise
from...

robbed ! nothing to do with us
we believe you might not want to admit how wrong you were - we proved we didn't
make the comment no surprises and now you have been robbed - how convienent for
you. you mention insults please reread your comments accusing us of everything
under the sun - none of which we agree with. Our reference to concentrating on
your shop relates to a previous tirade you launched about us focusing on our
shop. considering the size of your store 4+ million items (which is 4+ times
the size of ours in a country( where the market is 5x larger than ours) why are
your sales less than twice as many as ours. you really need to get a grip and
stop living in a fantasy world. our response to Russells announcement was nothing
more than a request for information and you have tried to make out we are looking
to take over the world. Either get a life or forget your fantasy world agenda.
You have accused us, falsely. of just about everything you could think of - accusing
our independent group of being a bandwagon when you know absolutely nothing about
it.


you really do need to take time to reflect on this absurd agenda - Others see
it - take off your sunglasses and look at the tirade of insults and false accusations
you have levied at us.

as for Bricklink taking advice from us that probably will never happen they have
their own ideas, but heaven help us all if they listened to the garbage you put
out.

robbed - what a joke.
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In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:
  In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:

  You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

I (and others) pointed this out so much that Cal eventually made his own group
(echo chamber) somewhere else so he and others could complain and nitpick in
peace.

Why would people want to complain somewhere where their complaints aren't
heard?


No offense, truly because you seem to be the sanest one of the little clique
, but how does that logic make any sense,

"My concerns aren't being addressed so let's get a group of like-minded
people who won't question each other, go to a third party site and complain
there so we won't get called out on our pervasive negativity. Also the party
we are complaint about will never see our posts"

Yes that sounds much more productive.

[without autocorrect this time ]

I agree with your analysis, minus the sarcasm. But how is this behavior you're
criticizing, any better than your "pervasive" use of the ignore feature, that
you opening recruit others here to use?

Why ignore anyone - we all have our views and we are all different that is what
makes up the world. Sometimes you will agree and sometimes you will not but to
make up a view without any basis and then publish it is not the best way to approach
things. I am sure the 60+ members of our group would take exception to the comments
which have been levied at us today by someone who knows little, if anything about
us or the purpose we were set up for. And funny enough we do have the messages
from Russell confirming that.

Please don't misunderstand me, I support your efforts, as I've stated
when you announced your intentions to launch your parallel forum/group thing.
It's just that I view it (or it's proposition) somewhat as Crystal
does, like I said minus the sarcasm maybe.

All 60 of the members know what we were set up for and all of them wanted a separate
forum rather than taking up admin-russells kind offer of a new topic for the user group.

Actually sounds like an interesting offer.

  We keep to ourselves and do not bother anyone on this forum with
what we are discussing over there. That is the way it will stay as far as I am concerned.

So it's a form of ignore feature, but for a group?

  

We also have control on who are members and those who have a reputation
before them of being argumentative over every little thing are unlikely to be welcomed aboard.

It's this kind of idea I have trouble with. It's another system for excluding
unwanted expression that's, given human nature, open to exploitation.

  
  
But in all fairness, I really don't know what it's about fully and so
I shouldn't comment on it. That being said, I very much enjoy the ideas and
thoughts you post here.

Pity that logic isn't used by more. There are a number of "we will attack
CalsBricks no matter what they have to say" ((The only thing they don't jump
on is the packaging dimensions )). If they only knew that is like water off
a ducks back. We have very broad shoulders and can take anything and everything
they have to throw.

You have indeed shown yourself to have broad shoulders

  
We read your posts on a regular basis if there is something of interest and whilst
we do not always agree with what you have to say we will not dispute your right to say it.

What! You don't agree with all I have to say? From my point of view, that's
hard to believe

  
Having lived a 3rd of my life in Buffalo New York and only coming to the UK in
1963 I have watched the brits go from being worried about standing up for themselves
to being quite good at it.

Buffalo, NY! I betcha it was the frozen 3rd of your life

  
Even guys in my team are now very good at standing up for themselves in a discussion.

The days of Foster and others may be over but the forum is still alive and kicking.,
long shall that remain. (In between 500 errors of course)

He left his mark, for sure... I'd be in the minority, I take it, by saying
a kinda miss him here in the forum.

  
  
  
  
I truly enjoy both yours and Bill's contributions here in the forum, even
though my replies to your posts you'll unfortunately, not see  

We don't always agree either but that doesn't mean w ignore - how petty.
  
I appreciate any/all that are willing to express themselves freely. As far as
I'm concerned, I don't have to understand or agree at all, as long as
it get's me thinking outside of my own thoughts. It's naturally uncomfortable
sometimes, but healthy.

We do agree with your thoughts on this. It is a great pity not everyone looks at life in a realistic way.

You mean 'our' way, of course

  

  
  
  
-Cory

  
Bricklink has basically friend zoned a few of the worst offenders and they keep
asking "why??? I'm such a nice guy! I deserve you, do what I want, I'll
treat you better than that other person, just listen to me. "



Meh, it was good while it lasted.

I was just 'robbed' of the ability to reply to calsbricks' (super
tantrumy) reply to my statements. he really went off the rails there.
Up until that point i respected that he at least never got into personal insults
but I guess it's not easy to participate in a discussion in an environment
where others might have different opinions from you.
Yeah, that's the temperament of someone i'd like Bricklink to take advise
from...

robbed ! nothing to do with us
we believe you might not want to admit how wrong you were - we proved we didn't
make the comment no surprises and now you have been robbed - how convienent for
you. you mention insults please reread your comments accusing us of everything
under the sun - none of which we agree with. Our reference to concentrating on
your shop relates to a previous tirade you launched about us focusing on our
shop. considering the size of your store 4+ million items (which is 4+ times
the size of ours in a country( where the market is 5x larger than ours) why are
your sales less than twice as many as ours. you really need to get a grip and
stop living in a fantasy world. our response to Russells announcement was nothing
more than a request for information and you have tried to make out we are looking
to take over the world. Either get a life or forget your fantasy world agenda.
You have accused us, falsely. of just about everything you could think of - accusing
our independent group of being a bandwagon when you know absolutely nothing about
it.


you really do need to take time to reflect on this absurd agenda - Others see
it - take off your sunglasses and look at the tirade of insults and false accusations
you have levied at us.

as for Bricklink taking advice from us that probably will never happen they have
their own ideas, but heaven help us all if they listened to the garbage you put
out.

robbed - what a joke.

Suddenly i'm back able to reply to you, curious- guess you grew thicker skin.
Seems like blocking people who don't share your opinion is a great way to
moderate a discussion group.... in a dictatorship!
I have nothing against you personally, no agenda, you just call anyone who calls
you out or dares to disagree with you a troll or tell them they have an agenda
to sow doubt in other's valid opinions which you disagree with.
I simply express my truths, most times (mostly in the past) i agreed and valued
your opinions and statistics- that is also well documented.
i made one mistake in one quote but the trend of you systematically questioning
and sowing doubt in Bricklink is well established for anyone who wishes to look
back at your thread of digs of the BL team.
I stand by my sentiment, sorry you're obviously rattled. I've yet to
see you get this aggravated which only gives me more confidence in my analysis
of you.

My team and I and most importantly our customers are very happy with our business
- we seem to be in the top 50 stores every month for the past couple of years
so we are really happy and positive of the direction things are going here on
Bricklink.
You're the one who's constantly complains about a downward trend.
But thanks again for sticking your nose and criticizing yet another business
that doesn't belong to you.

This will be my final reply to you on this subject ever as i really said all
i had to.
I made my point, and i believe in it, i may have mis-quoted you once or twice
but the your overall tone is well established.
You may have the final word- I may read it but i will not be commenting any further.
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In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:

  You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

I (and others) pointed this out so much that Cal eventually made his own group
(echo chamber) somewhere else so he and others could complain and nitpick in
peace.

Why would people want to complain somewhere where their complaints aren't
heard?


No offense, truly because you seem to be the sanest one of the little clique
, but how does that logic make any sense,

Thanks I suppose

  
"My concerns aren't being addressed so let's get a group of like-minded
people who won't question each other, go to a third party site and complain
there so we won't get called out on our pervasive negativity. Also the party
we are complaint about will never see our posts"

Yes that sounds much more productive.

It's kind of my point as well: It doesn't make sense. Negativity drains
people, and is only used when people feel they can achieve something with it.
People don't protest because they want to revel in the lovely atmosphere
of negativity, they do it because they want change, and there won't be any
if nobody listens. I'm not very active on that forum but I haven't seen
negativity, it's simply people sharing information. I joined it because I
wanted more positivity.

It seems clear to me protest or raising issues is pointless even where Bricklink
can see it, because Bricklink is simply a computer, a bit of cheap office
space, a few freelancers walking around and a rich guy who's doing other
things and Bricklink might pop into his head once in a while when he has some
spare time and wants to try something fun. There's not really nothing more
to it. Nobody there to be angry with. No big institution, no group of developers
doing god knows what, no boardroom full of important Bricklink people debating
over a course, no plans, no strategy. Just a little office, and when it's
bedtime in California, I imagine it's just the gentle hum of a server

I think that people don't always realise this and that is why they complain.
They believe it leads to change. My point is, they don't complain because
they're negative people. It may be their livelihood and they may be losing
sleep over it, so I think it deserves some space here even if I personally don't
think it is useful.
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In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:

  You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

I (and others) pointed this out so much that Cal eventually made his own group
(echo chamber) somewhere else so he and others could complain and nitpick in
peace.

Why would people want to complain somewhere where their complaints aren't
heard?


No offense, truly because you seem to be the sanest one of the little clique
, but how does that logic make any sense,

Thanks I suppose

  
"My concerns aren't being addressed so let's get a group of like-minded
people who won't question each other, go to a third party site and complain
there so we won't get called out on our pervasive negativity. Also the party
we are complaint about will never see our posts"

Yes that sounds much more productive.

It's kind of my point as well: It doesn't make sense. Negativity drains
people, and is only used when people feel they can achieve something with it.
People don't protest because they want to revel in the lovely atmosphere
of negativity, they do it because they want change, and there won't be any
if nobody listens. I'm not very active on that forum but I haven't seen
negativity, it's simply people sharing information. I joined it because I
wanted more positivity.

Thanks Teup - at least someone understands what and why. There is very little
negativity on our forum - there are sensible discussions about issues, developments
etc - that is what it was started for and that is what it is doing without the
infamous Bricklink trolls.
  
It seems clear to me protest or raising issues is pointless even where Bricklink
can see it, because Bricklink is simply a computer, a bit of cheap office
space, a few freelancers walking around and a rich guy who's doing other
things and Bricklink might pop into his head once in a while when he has some
spare time and wants to try something fun. There's not really nothing more
to it. Nobody there to be angry with. No big institution, no group of developers
doing god knows what, no boardroom full of important Bricklink people debating
over a course, no plans, no strategy. Just a little office, and when it's
bedtime in California, I imagine it's just the gentle hum of a server

That is also very true, more than likely - they are a company not a community
and they work normal business hours, unlike the majority of stores on this site.
And guess what, they get their salary cheque at the end of each payroll period
whilst those that are trying to earn their living here are not quite that fortunate.
  
I think that people don't always realise this and that is why they complain.
They believe it leads to change. My point is, they don't complain because
they're negative people. It may be their livelihood and they may be losing
sleep over it, so I think it deserves some space here even if I personally don't
think it is useful.

This all started because we asked Russell, nicely, by the way, if he could provide
more details about the 4 hour downtime, which is an unusual issue. The trolls
turned our question into a debate as to whether we even have the right to ask
such a thing - who are we? What a load of nonsense especially from the relative
newcomer to the site.

It does make you wonder..

Just to give you another point to consider. We don't use Instant checkout
- it doesn't suit our store - we have repeatedly said that those that can
use and do - good luck with it and those who don't - that is life. It calls
for packaging dimensions in the system which we as a community were asked to
help with. We happened to look that up the other day as to who has contributed
the most. Russell was first and CalsBricks were 2nd. Considering we do not use
IC, we have not done too badly.

We like anyone who is a member can express their opinions on the forum as long
as they stay within the rules and all our posts reflect that.

There was no criticism of any of the admins, the company or for that matter anyone
else in our request to Russell and yet we are being dragged over the coals by
someone who, quite honestly does not know what they are talking about.
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In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:

  You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

I (and others) pointed this out so much that Cal eventually made his own group
(echo chamber) somewhere else so he and others could complain and nitpick in
peace.

Why would people want to complain somewhere where their complaints aren't
heard?


No offense, truly because you seem to be the sanest one of the little clique
, but how does that logic make any sense,

"My concerns aren't being addressed so let's get a group of like-minded
people who won't question each other, go to a third party site and complain
there so we won't get called out on our pervasive negativity. Also the party
we are complaint about will never see our posts"

Yes that sounds much more productive.

Bricklink has basically friend zoned a few of the worst offenders and they keep
asking "why??? I'm such a nice guy! I deserve you, do what I want, I'll
treat you better than that other person, just listen to me. "



Meh, it was good while it lasted.

What a load of tripe - not worth bothering to respond to someone who really has
no idea of what they are talking about.
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In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:

  You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

I (and others) pointed this out so much that Cal eventually made his own group
(echo chamber) somewhere else so he and others could complain and nitpick in
peace.

Why would people want to complain somewhere where their complaints aren't
heard?

As you are well aware the group was not set up to complain it was set up to discuss
developments to Bricklink that we wanted to put forward to them and that was
recognized by Admin_Russell when he offered us our own topic on the Bricklink
forum , which we graciously declined, and when he said what we put forward to
him he would do his best, with no guarantees.

So lets not make too much of the trolls words. We won't comment any further
on this as it is a total waste of time and energy.
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In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:

  You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

I (and others) pointed this out so much that Cal eventually made his own group
(echo chamber) somewhere else so he and others could complain and nitpick in
peace.

Why would people want to complain somewhere where their complaints aren't
heard?

Personally, it is so much fun to complain. Being nice or empathic is soooo over
rated. Some of us are just contrarians.
Oh, I am empathic concerning Russell. He has become the "voice" of Bricklink.
Perhaps the 500 errors are planned so that Russell can nap, eat, and go to the
bathroom.

Complaining makes this place interesting. Much more interesting than "what is
this brick? It has Lego on the studs."
Also remember that at one time the "owner" of bricklink used to respond personally,
email members personally, and actually fix things.
The extended down time is for bricklinks Christmas Party. Or maybe, a delayed
Easter Egg Hunt.
John P
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In Administrative, legoman77 writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:

  You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

I (and others) pointed this out so much that Cal eventually made his own group
(echo chamber) somewhere else so he and others could complain and nitpick in
peace.

Why would people want to complain somewhere where their complaints aren't
heard?

Personally, it is so much fun to complain. Being nice or empathic is soooo over
rated. Some of us are just contrarians.
Oh, I am empathic concerning Russell. He has become the "voice" of Bricklink.
Perhaps the 500 errors are planned so that Russell can nap, eat, and go to the
bathroom.


LOL this could be an episode of Black Mirror. Bricklink turns out to be just
Russell trapped in a futuristic box forced by management to run Bricklink all
by himself and people wonder why their helpdesk tickets take so long to answer.
I could believe it
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In Administrative, legoman77 writes:
  Complaining makes this place interesting. Much more interesting than "what is
this brick? It has Lego on the studs."
Also remember that at one time the "owner" of bricklink used to respond personally,
email members personally, and actually fix things.
The extended down time is for bricklinks Christmas Party. Or maybe, a delayed
Easter Egg Hunt.
John P

Impossible to argue with your logic
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In Administrative, legoman77 writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:

  You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

I (and others) pointed this out so much that Cal eventually made his own group
(echo chamber) somewhere else so he and others could complain and nitpick in
peace.

Why would people want to complain somewhere where their complaints aren't
heard?

Personally, it is so much fun to complain. Being nice or empathic is soooo over
rated. Some of us are just contrarians.
Oh, I am empathic concerning Russell. He has become the "voice" of Bricklink.
Perhaps the 500 errors are planned so that Russell can nap, eat, and go to the
bathroom.

Complaining makes this place interesting. Much more interesting than "what is
this brick? It has Lego on the studs."
Also remember that at one time the "owner" of bricklink used to respond personally,
email members personally, and actually fix things.
The extended down time is for bricklinks Christmas Party. Or maybe, a delayed
Easter Egg Hunt.
John P

Last night I had the strangest dream
In which I saw a list
I tell it here in case
There's someone that I've missed.

Cal's Brick Consortium,
TLG, and Google,
Amazon and BrickOwl,
The rest were just a doodle.

We're told 4 hours of downtime
With no change in functionality
Am I the only one to see
Another possibility?

Thea
Always An Adventure!
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In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:
  In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, chetzler writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

No surprises, please. If there are going to be even moderate changes to site
functionality do us the courtesy of at least telling us about them before the
"upgrades".

No changes in site functionality.

Thank you for commenting further Russell. If there are no changes to site functionality
then 4 hours is an awful lot of downtime. Are there system upgrades or hardware
changes being made? I hope you understand how important knowing these things
is to the members. There are a large number of them who earn a crust of bread
from this site and losing 25% of the day can cause concern.

I am sure there are probably changes which we do not need to know about eg. database
updates, hot fixes, etc. as well a general tidy up with op systems etc, but a
bit more clarity is not going to do any harm - actually it is going to do more
good than harm.

We appreciate the workload some of you have and also the constraints that you
have to operate under, but providing your customers with a better understanding
of what is going on is always worth its weight in 'lego bricks'

Thanks.


You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

If the Admin deems that it is necessary to lose 4 hours in which they will miss
far more revenue than you then I think we can all stomach that.
This enterprise doesn’t owe you explanations, yet they do make an enormous effort
to be as transparent as they can be.

Please have some empathy, the Admin has to walk a fine line between satisfying
the needs of the community and following the owners directives- no need to add
more stress and disapproval.

Based on my extensive personal experience with Russell , this is an honest, reasonable
and very well intentioned and hard working individual - I and my team have nothing
but trust, respect and gratitude for this team’s hard work.

I also have a lot of respect for you and your great insights you provide to our
community, the stats that you share are valuable too but I wish you could show
more empathy, sincere gratitude, and trust in the people who do so much for us
with little resources and for keeping our commission rates so low for so long.
Most respectfully.

I strongly suggest you reread our comments - there is no sowing of doubts, plenty
of empathy and no criticism of Russell or Bricklink. It is a simple request for
further information and mostly Russell responds to requests such as this when
he can.

Sometimes instead of jumping on an illusionary 'bandwagon' you might
want to look carefully at what is written.

Whilst all of the community is entitled to their opinions and to voice them here
or wherever, you have totally misrepresented what was said by us. You have also
mixed comments in your reply - we made no reference to site functionality - that
was someone else. Our request was for more info on an extended downtime announcement.
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In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:
  In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, chetzler writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

No surprises, please. If there are going to be even moderate changes to site
functionality do us the courtesy of at least telling us about them before the
"upgrades".

No changes in site functionality.

Thank you for commenting further Russell. If there are no changes to site functionality
then 4 hours is an awful lot of downtime. Are there system upgrades or hardware
changes being made? I hope you understand how important knowing these things
is to the members. There are a large number of them who earn a crust of bread
from this site and losing 25% of the day can cause concern.

I am sure there are probably changes which we do not need to know about eg. database
updates, hot fixes, etc. as well a general tidy up with op systems etc, but a
bit more clarity is not going to do any harm - actually it is going to do more
good than harm.

We appreciate the workload some of you have and also the constraints that you
have to operate under, but providing your customers with a better understanding
of what is going on is always worth its weight in 'lego bricks'

Thanks.


You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

If the Admin deems that it is necessary to lose 4 hours in which they will miss
far more revenue than you then I think we can all stomach that.
This enterprise doesn’t owe you explanations, yet they do make an enormous effort
to be as transparent as they can be.

Please have some empathy, the Admin has to walk a fine line between satisfying
the needs of the community and following the owners directives- no need to add
more stress and disapproval.

Based on my extensive personal experience with Russell , this is an honest, reasonable
and very well intentioned and hard working individual - I and my team have nothing
but trust, respect and gratitude for this team’s hard work.

I also have a lot of respect for you and your great insights you provide to our
community, the stats that you share are valuable too but I wish you could show
more empathy, sincere gratitude, and trust in the people who do so much for us
with little resources and for keeping our commission rates so low for so long.
Most respectfully.

I strongly suggest you reread our comments - there is no sowing of doubts, plenty
of empathy and no criticism of Russell or Bricklink. It is a simple request for
further information and mostly Russell responds to requests such as this when
he can.

Sometimes instead of jumping on an illusionary 'bandwagon' you might
want to look carefully at what is written.

Whilst all of the community is entitled to their opinions and to voice them here
or wherever, you have totally misrepresented what was said by us. You have also
mixed comments in your reply - we made no reference to site functionality - that
was someone else. Our request was for more info on an extended downtime announcement.

I did re-read the messages again just now, you are a great debater, you have
a great way of sidestepping the issues i address that do not fit your narrative.
I'll explain: while there may not be a direct criticism , in a very obvious
way you are showing your disapproval and distrust in the Admin and crew. (i.e;
saying 'it's and aweful long downtime to install an update - YOU DON'T
KNOW THE NATURE OF THE UPDATE how can you pass judgement on the time? - you SAY
you appreciate the team but in the same sentence you deride and show distrust
in the actions.

Once you get an answer from Russell (not just here but also in previous threads)that
doesn't explain what the nature of update is; YET, he answers your question
that it won't affect your experience, you start throwing (polite) tantrums
about how you are entitled to know the specifics of the changes (or other business
decisions and objectives in other threads) because it 'affects your livelihood'
thus you're entitled to know everything.

Your posts are systematically and masterfully crafted to sow doubt in the admins
teams actions without giving being direct ("no surprises, please") thus giving
you the excuse of being misrepresented.

I know you're going to deny my narrative on the way you are coming through
with your message regarding admin/owner. but here it is anyway:
the general feeling coming from reading your threads is of distrust in the work
and direction that the admin/owner has for a vision. The reason you keep harping
on it is because you have a feeling that you are entitled to know and even have
a say regarding this vision even though you have no shares in this business.
You (mistakenly) believe that just because your business and your personal success
is depending on the actions of Bricklink as a whole- that entitles you to be
a part of the decision making process. In other words; it looks like you have
an issue not being in control which is why you built a 'bandwagon' of
which you felt like you'd be garner a voice because you have appointed yourself
as a leader of a collective.
When you were offered to have that bandwagon parked on Bricklink- you declined
(my guess is because it feels nice to lead a bandwagon of opposition rather than
join a coalition where your voice might not get as much attention).

This breaks my heart because i used to enjoy and look forward to your posts years
ago- they were positive and insightful.
At some point you have turned a bit negative and a post about collection of statistics
turned into a passive aggressive dig at BL (the "is bricklink in decline?" post).
where you were once positive- you managed to warp dry number statistics into
a narrative that isn't positive at all.

I have no agenda and not a part of a bandwagon, i do not meet or communicate
with anyone who has a shop here, i do not get or send replies off this forum.
i'm giving you my honest perspective and just like any debate about anything
controversial- i doubt i'll change your mind or attitude- I just wish there
was more positivism and less dis-trust in the work done.
There are issues, i don't dispute that BUT with the resources that this site
has and charges- you take the good with the not so good.
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In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:
  In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:
  In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, chetzler writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

No surprises, please. If there are going to be even moderate changes to site
functionality do us the courtesy of at least telling us about them before the
"upgrades".

No changes in site functionality.

Thank you for commenting further Russell. If there are no changes to site functionality
then 4 hours is an awful lot of downtime. Are there system upgrades or hardware
changes being made? I hope you understand how important knowing these things
is to the members. There are a large number of them who earn a crust of bread
from this site and losing 25% of the day can cause concern.

I am sure there are probably changes which we do not need to know about eg. database
updates, hot fixes, etc. as well a general tidy up with op systems etc, but a
bit more clarity is not going to do any harm - actually it is going to do more
good than harm.

We appreciate the workload some of you have and also the constraints that you
have to operate under, but providing your customers with a better understanding
of what is going on is always worth its weight in 'lego bricks'

Thanks.


You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

If the Admin deems that it is necessary to lose 4 hours in which they will miss
far more revenue than you then I think we can all stomach that.
This enterprise doesn’t owe you explanations, yet they do make an enormous effort
to be as transparent as they can be.

Please have some empathy, the Admin has to walk a fine line between satisfying
the needs of the community and following the owners directives- no need to add
more stress and disapproval.

Based on my extensive personal experience with Russell , this is an honest, reasonable
and very well intentioned and hard working individual - I and my team have nothing
but trust, respect and gratitude for this team’s hard work.

I also have a lot of respect for you and your great insights you provide to our
community, the stats that you share are valuable too but I wish you could show
more empathy, sincere gratitude, and trust in the people who do so much for us
with little resources and for keeping our commission rates so low for so long.
Most respectfully.

I strongly suggest you reread our comments - there is no sowing of doubts, plenty
of empathy and no criticism of Russell or Bricklink. It is a simple request for
further information and mostly Russell responds to requests such as this when
he can.

Sometimes instead of jumping on an illusionary 'bandwagon' you might
want to look carefully at what is written.

Whilst all of the community is entitled to their opinions and to voice them here
or wherever, you have totally misrepresented what was said by us. You have also
mixed comments in your reply - we made no reference to site functionality - that
was someone else. Our request was for more info on an extended downtime announcement.

I did re-read the messages again just now, you are a great debater, you have
a great way of sidestepping the issues i address that do not fit your narrative.
I'll explain: while there may not be a direct criticism , in a very obvious
way you are showing your disapproval and distrust in the Admin and crew. (i.e;
saying 'it's and aweful long downtime to install an update - YOU DON'T
KNOW THE NATURE OF THE UPDATE how can you pass judgement on the time? - you SAY
you appreciate the team but in the same sentence you deride and show distrust
in the actions.

Once you get an answer from Russell (not just here but also in previous threads)that
doesn't explain what the nature of update is; YET, he answers your question
that it won't affect your experience, you start throwing (polite) tantrums
about how you are entitled to know the specifics of the changes (or other business
decisions and objectives in other threads) because it 'affects your livelihood'
thus you're entitled to know everything.

Your posts are systematically and masterfully crafted to sow doubt in the admins
teams actions without giving being direct ("no surprises, please") thus giving
you the excuse of being misrepresented.

I know you're going to deny my narrative on the way you are coming through
with your message regarding admin/owner. but here it is anyway:
the general feeling coming from reading your threads is of distrust in the work
and direction that the admin/owner has for a vision. The reason you keep harping
on it is because you have a feeling that you are entitled to know and even have
a say regarding this vision even though you have no shares in this business.
You (mistakenly) believe that just because your business and your personal success
is depending on the actions of Bricklink as a whole- that entitles you to be
a part of the decision making process. In other words; it looks like you have
an issue not being in control which is why you built a 'bandwagon' of
which you felt like you'd be garner a voice because you have appointed yourself
as a leader of a collective.
When you were offered to have that bandwagon parked on Bricklink- you declined
(my guess is because it feels nice to lead a bandwagon of opposition rather than
join a coalition where your voice might not get as much attention).

This breaks my heart because i used to enjoy and look forward to your posts years
ago- they were positive and insightful.
At some point you have turned a bit negative and a post about collection of statistics
turned into a passive aggressive dig at BL (the "is bricklink in decline?" post).
where you were once positive- you managed to warp dry number statistics into
a narrative that isn't positive at all.

I have no agenda and not a part of a bandwagon, i do not meet or communicate
with anyone who has a shop here, i do not get or send replies off this forum.
i'm giving you my honest perspective and just like any debate about anything
controversial- i doubt i'll change your mind or attitude- I just wish there
was more positivism and less dis-trust in the work done.
There are issues, i don't dispute that BUT with the resources that this site
has and charges- you take the good with the not so good.

Absolute rubbish - if you have reread the thread you have a problem - You have
chosen selective words and ignored the real comments. There is no criticism direct
or indirect of admins or company just a simple request for more information.
You have attributed other people's comments to us - which is actually silly
and you have made totally unfounded accusations.

Our forum was set up based on 60+ stores voting on whether to have it here or
elsewhere and that was communicated to Admin_Russell who was comfortable with
that. He also agreed to work with us on various issues no guarantees but he would
try. I don't have to explain myself or our group to you or anyone else.

You are very much out of order and most certainly have some type of weird agenda.
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 Posted: Nov 15, 2019 08:18
 Subject: Re: Mutiny - Chapter 2
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In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:
  In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:
  In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, chetzler writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

No surprises, please. If there are going to be even moderate changes to site
functionality do us the courtesy of at least telling us about them before the
"upgrades".

No changes in site functionality.

Thank you for commenting further Russell. If there are no changes to site functionality
then 4 hours is an awful lot of downtime. Are there system upgrades or hardware
changes being made? I hope you understand how important knowing these things
is to the members. There are a large number of them who earn a crust of bread
from this site and losing 25% of the day can cause concern.

I am sure there are probably changes which we do not need to know about eg. database
updates, hot fixes, etc. as well a general tidy up with op systems etc, but a
bit more clarity is not going to do any harm - actually it is going to do more
good than harm.

We appreciate the workload some of you have and also the constraints that you
have to operate under, but providing your customers with a better understanding
of what is going on is always worth its weight in 'lego bricks'

Thanks.


You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

If the Admin deems that it is necessary to lose 4 hours in which they will miss
far more revenue than you then I think we can all stomach that.
This enterprise doesn’t owe you explanations, yet they do make an enormous effort
to be as transparent as they can be.

Please have some empathy, the Admin has to walk a fine line between satisfying
the needs of the community and following the owners directives- no need to add
more stress and disapproval.

Based on my extensive personal experience with Russell , this is an honest, reasonable
and very well intentioned and hard working individual - I and my team have nothing
but trust, respect and gratitude for this team’s hard work.

I also have a lot of respect for you and your great insights you provide to our
community, the stats that you share are valuable too but I wish you could show
more empathy, sincere gratitude, and trust in the people who do so much for us
with little resources and for keeping our commission rates so low for so long.
Most respectfully.

I strongly suggest you reread our comments - there is no sowing of doubts, plenty
of empathy and no criticism of Russell or Bricklink. It is a simple request for
further information and mostly Russell responds to requests such as this when
he can.

Sometimes instead of jumping on an illusionary 'bandwagon' you might
want to look carefully at what is written.

Whilst all of the community is entitled to their opinions and to voice them here
or wherever, you have totally misrepresented what was said by us. You have also
mixed comments in your reply - we made no reference to site functionality - that
was someone else. Our request was for more info on an extended downtime announcement.

I did re-read the messages again just now, you are a great debater, you have
a great way of sidestepping the issues i address that do not fit your narrative.
I'll explain: while there may not be a direct criticism , in a very obvious
way you are showing your disapproval and distrust in the Admin and crew. (i.e;
saying 'it's and aweful long downtime to install an update - YOU DON'T
KNOW THE NATURE OF THE UPDATE how can you pass judgement on the time? - you SAY
you appreciate the team but in the same sentence you deride and show distrust
in the actions.

Once you get an answer from Russell (not just here but also in previous threads)that
doesn't explain what the nature of update is; YET, he answers your question
that it won't affect your experience, you start throwing (polite) tantrums
about how you are entitled to know the specifics of the changes (or other business
decisions and objectives in other threads) because it 'affects your livelihood'
thus you're entitled to know everything.

Your posts are systematically and masterfully crafted to sow doubt in the admins
teams actions without giving being direct ("no surprises, please") thus giving
you the excuse of being misrepresented.

I know you're going to deny my narrative on the way you are coming through
with your message regarding admin/owner. but here it is anyway:
the general feeling coming from reading your threads is of distrust in the work
and direction that the admin/owner has for a vision. The reason you keep harping
on it is because you have a feeling that you are entitled to know and even have
a say regarding this vision even though you have no shares in this business.
You (mistakenly) believe that just because your business and your personal success
is depending on the actions of Bricklink as a whole- that entitles you to be
a part of the decision making process. In other words; it looks like you have
an issue not being in control which is why you built a 'bandwagon' of
which you felt like you'd be garner a voice because you have appointed yourself
as a leader of a collective.
When you were offered to have that bandwagon parked on Bricklink- you declined
(my guess is because it feels nice to lead a bandwagon of opposition rather than
join a coalition where your voice might not get as much attention).

This breaks my heart because i used to enjoy and look forward to your posts years
ago- they were positive and insightful.
At some point you have turned a bit negative and a post about collection of statistics
turned into a passive aggressive dig at BL (the "is bricklink in decline?" post).
where you were once positive- you managed to warp dry number statistics into
a narrative that isn't positive at all.

I have no agenda and not a part of a bandwagon, i do not meet or communicate
with anyone who has a shop here, i do not get or send replies off this forum.
i'm giving you my honest perspective and just like any debate about anything
controversial- i doubt i'll change your mind or attitude- I just wish there
was more positivism and less dis-trust in the work done.
There are issues, i don't dispute that BUT with the resources that this site
has and charges- you take the good with the not so good.

Absolute rubbish - if you have reread the thread you have a problem - You have
chosen selective words and ignored the real comments. There is no criticism direct
or indirect of admins or company just a simple request for more information.
You have attributed other people's comments to us - which is actually silly
and you have made totally unfounded accusations.

Our forum was set up based on 60+ stores voting on whether to have it here or
elsewhere and that was communicated to Admin_Russell who was comfortable with
that. He also agreed to work with us on various issues no guarantees but he would
try. I don't have to explain myself or our group to you or anyone else.

You are very much out of order and most certainly have some type of weird agenda.

Fair enough, I said my piece, I stand by it 100% but I will retreat and not press
on.
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 Subject: Re: Mutiny - Chapter 2
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Why the subject change using such an emotive word, no agenda, we'll see.






In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:
  In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:
  In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, chetzler writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

No surprises, please. If there are going to be even moderate changes to site
functionality do us the courtesy of at least telling us about them before the
"upgrades".

No changes in site functionality.

Thank you for commenting further Russell. If there are no changes to site functionality
then 4 hours is an awful lot of downtime. Are there system upgrades or hardware
changes being made? I hope you understand how important knowing these things
is to the members. There are a large number of them who earn a crust of bread
from this site and losing 25% of the day can cause concern.

I am sure there are probably changes which we do not need to know about eg. database
updates, hot fixes, etc. as well a general tidy up with op systems etc, but a
bit more clarity is not going to do any harm - actually it is going to do more
good than harm.

We appreciate the workload some of you have and also the constraints that you
have to operate under, but providing your customers with a better understanding
of what is going on is always worth its weight in 'lego bricks'

Thanks.


You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

If the Admin deems that it is necessary to lose 4 hours in which they will miss
far more revenue than you then I think we can all stomach that.
This enterprise doesn’t owe you explanations, yet they do make an enormous effort
to be as transparent as they can be.

Please have some empathy, the Admin has to walk a fine line between satisfying
the needs of the community and following the owners directives- no need to add
more stress and disapproval.

Based on my extensive personal experience with Russell , this is an honest, reasonable
and very well intentioned and hard working individual - I and my team have nothing
but trust, respect and gratitude for this team’s hard work.

I also have a lot of respect for you and your great insights you provide to our
community, the stats that you share are valuable too but I wish you could show
more empathy, sincere gratitude, and trust in the people who do so much for us
with little resources and for keeping our commission rates so low for so long.
Most respectfully.

I strongly suggest you reread our comments - there is no sowing of doubts, plenty
of empathy and no criticism of Russell or Bricklink. It is a simple request for
further information and mostly Russell responds to requests such as this when
he can.

Sometimes instead of jumping on an illusionary 'bandwagon' you might
want to look carefully at what is written.

Whilst all of the community is entitled to their opinions and to voice them here
or wherever, you have totally misrepresented what was said by us. You have also
mixed comments in your reply - we made no reference to site functionality - that
was someone else. Our request was for more info on an extended downtime announcement.

I did re-read the messages again just now, you are a great debater, you have
a great way of sidestepping the issues i address that do not fit your narrative.
I'll explain: while there may not be a direct criticism , in a very obvious
way you are showing your disapproval and distrust in the Admin and crew. (i.e;
saying 'it's and aweful long downtime to install an update - YOU DON'T
KNOW THE NATURE OF THE UPDATE how can you pass judgement on the time? - you SAY
you appreciate the team but in the same sentence you deride and show distrust
in the actions.

Once you get an answer from Russell (not just here but also in previous threads)that
doesn't explain what the nature of update is; YET, he answers your question
that it won't affect your experience, you start throwing (polite) tantrums
about how you are entitled to know the specifics of the changes (or other business
decisions and objectives in other threads) because it 'affects your livelihood'
thus you're entitled to know everything.

Your posts are systematically and masterfully crafted to sow doubt in the admins
teams actions without giving being direct ("no surprises, please") thus giving
you the excuse of being misrepresented.

I know you're going to deny my narrative on the way you are coming through
with your message regarding admin/owner. but here it is anyway:
the general feeling coming from reading your threads is of distrust in the work
and direction that the admin/owner has for a vision. The reason you keep harping
on it is because you have a feeling that you are entitled to know and even have
a say regarding this vision even though you have no shares in this business.
You (mistakenly) believe that just because your business and your personal success
is depending on the actions of Bricklink as a whole- that entitles you to be
a part of the decision making process. In other words; it looks like you have
an issue not being in control which is why you built a 'bandwagon' of
which you felt like you'd be garner a voice because you have appointed yourself
as a leader of a collective.
When you were offered to have that bandwagon parked on Bricklink- you declined
(my guess is because it feels nice to lead a bandwagon of opposition rather than
join a coalition where your voice might not get as much attention).

This breaks my heart because i used to enjoy and look forward to your posts years
ago- they were positive and insightful.
At some point you have turned a bit negative and a post about collection of statistics
turned into a passive aggressive dig at BL (the "is bricklink in decline?" post).
where you were once positive- you managed to warp dry number statistics into
a narrative that isn't positive at all.

I have no agenda and not a part of a bandwagon, i do not meet or communicate
with anyone who has a shop here, i do not get or send replies off this forum.
i'm giving you my honest perspective and just like any debate about anything
controversial- i doubt i'll change your mind or attitude- I just wish there
was more positivism and less dis-trust in the work done.
There are issues, i don't dispute that BUT with the resources that this site
has and charges- you take the good with the not so good.
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 Posted: Nov 15, 2019 03:58
 Subject: Re: Mutiny - Chapter 2
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In Administrative, Stuart9 writes:
  Why the subject change using such an emotive word, no agenda, we'll see.


we didn't change it they did



In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:
  In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:
  In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, chetzler writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

No surprises, please. If there are going to be even moderate changes to site
functionality do us the courtesy of at least telling us about them before the
"upgrades".

No changes in site functionality.

Thank you for commenting further Russell. If there are no changes to site functionality
then 4 hours is an awful lot of downtime. Are there system upgrades or hardware
changes being made? I hope you understand how important knowing these things
is to the members. There are a large number of them who earn a crust of bread
from this site and losing 25% of the day can cause concern.

I am sure there are probably changes which we do not need to know about eg. database
updates, hot fixes, etc. as well a general tidy up with op systems etc, but a
bit more clarity is not going to do any harm - actually it is going to do more
good than harm.

We appreciate the workload some of you have and also the constraints that you
have to operate under, but providing your customers with a better understanding
of what is going on is always worth its weight in 'lego bricks'

Thanks.


You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

If the Admin deems that it is necessary to lose 4 hours in which they will miss
far more revenue than you then I think we can all stomach that.
This enterprise doesn’t owe you explanations, yet they do make an enormous effort
to be as transparent as they can be.

Please have some empathy, the Admin has to walk a fine line between satisfying
the needs of the community and following the owners directives- no need to add
more stress and disapproval.

Based on my extensive personal experience with Russell , this is an honest, reasonable
and very well intentioned and hard working individual - I and my team have nothing
but trust, respect and gratitude for this team’s hard work.

I also have a lot of respect for you and your great insights you provide to our
community, the stats that you share are valuable too but I wish you could show
more empathy, sincere gratitude, and trust in the people who do so much for us
with little resources and for keeping our commission rates so low for so long.
Most respectfully.

I strongly suggest you reread our comments - there is no sowing of doubts, plenty
of empathy and no criticism of Russell or Bricklink. It is a simple request for
further information and mostly Russell responds to requests such as this when
he can.

Sometimes instead of jumping on an illusionary 'bandwagon' you might
want to look carefully at what is written.

Whilst all of the community is entitled to their opinions and to voice them here
or wherever, you have totally misrepresented what was said by us. You have also
mixed comments in your reply - we made no reference to site functionality - that
was someone else. Our request was for more info on an extended downtime announcement.

I did re-read the messages again just now, you are a great debater, you have
a great way of sidestepping the issues i address that do not fit your narrative.
I'll explain: while there may not be a direct criticism , in a very obvious
way you are showing your disapproval and distrust in the Admin and crew. (i.e;
saying 'it's and aweful long downtime to install an update - YOU DON'T
KNOW THE NATURE OF THE UPDATE how can you pass judgement on the time? - you SAY
you appreciate the team but in the same sentence you deride and show distrust
in the actions.

Once you get an answer from Russell (not just here but also in previous threads)that
doesn't explain what the nature of update is; YET, he answers your question
that it won't affect your experience, you start throwing (polite) tantrums
about how you are entitled to know the specifics of the changes (or other business
decisions and objectives in other threads) because it 'affects your livelihood'
thus you're entitled to know everything.

Your posts are systematically and masterfully crafted to sow doubt in the admins
teams actions without giving being direct ("no surprises, please") thus giving
you the excuse of being misrepresented.

I know you're going to deny my narrative on the way you are coming through
with your message regarding admin/owner. but here it is anyway:
the general feeling coming from reading your threads is of distrust in the work
and direction that the admin/owner has for a vision. The reason you keep harping
on it is because you have a feeling that you are entitled to know and even have
a say regarding this vision even though you have no shares in this business.
You (mistakenly) believe that just because your business and your personal success
is depending on the actions of Bricklink as a whole- that entitles you to be
a part of the decision making process. In other words; it looks like you have
an issue not being in control which is why you built a 'bandwagon' of
which you felt like you'd be garner a voice because you have appointed yourself
as a leader of a collective.
When you were offered to have that bandwagon parked on Bricklink- you declined
(my guess is because it feels nice to lead a bandwagon of opposition rather than
join a coalition where your voice might not get as much attention).

This breaks my heart because i used to enjoy and look forward to your posts years
ago- they were positive and insightful.
At some point you have turned a bit negative and a post about collection of statistics
turned into a passive aggressive dig at BL (the "is bricklink in decline?" post).
where you were once positive- you managed to warp dry number statistics into
a narrative that isn't positive at all.

I have no agenda and not a part of a bandwagon, i do not meet or communicate
with anyone who has a shop here, i do not get or send replies off this forum.
i'm giving you my honest perspective and just like any debate about anything
controversial- i doubt i'll change your mind or attitude- I just wish there
was more positivism and less dis-trust in the work done.
There are issues, i don't dispute that BUT with the resources that this site
has and charges- you take the good with the not so good.
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Sorry I didn't make my self clear, I meant them not you.

Why change your subject line, only needed to reply in whatever form they wanted.

New subject title was deliberately provocative.

Hope you didn't take my post the wrong way yesterday, it was only a bit of
fun with the photo attached that made me laugh.


In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, Stuart9 writes:
  Why the subject change using such an emotive word, no agenda, we'll see.


we didn't change it they did



In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:
  In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:
  In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, chetzler writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

No surprises, please. If there are going to be even moderate changes to site
functionality do us the courtesy of at least telling us about them before the
"upgrades".

No changes in site functionality.

Thank you for commenting further Russell. If there are no changes to site functionality
then 4 hours is an awful lot of downtime. Are there system upgrades or hardware
changes being made? I hope you understand how important knowing these things
is to the members. There are a large number of them who earn a crust of bread
from this site and losing 25% of the day can cause concern.

I am sure there are probably changes which we do not need to know about eg. database
updates, hot fixes, etc. as well a general tidy up with op systems etc, but a
bit more clarity is not going to do any harm - actually it is going to do more
good than harm.

We appreciate the workload some of you have and also the constraints that you
have to operate under, but providing your customers with a better understanding
of what is going on is always worth its weight in 'lego bricks'

Thanks.


You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

If the Admin deems that it is necessary to lose 4 hours in which they will miss
far more revenue than you then I think we can all stomach that.
This enterprise doesn’t owe you explanations, yet they do make an enormous effort
to be as transparent as they can be.

Please have some empathy, the Admin has to walk a fine line between satisfying
the needs of the community and following the owners directives- no need to add
more stress and disapproval.

Based on my extensive personal experience with Russell , this is an honest, reasonable
and very well intentioned and hard working individual - I and my team have nothing
but trust, respect and gratitude for this team’s hard work.

I also have a lot of respect for you and your great insights you provide to our
community, the stats that you share are valuable too but I wish you could show
more empathy, sincere gratitude, and trust in the people who do so much for us
with little resources and for keeping our commission rates so low for so long.
Most respectfully.

I strongly suggest you reread our comments - there is no sowing of doubts, plenty
of empathy and no criticism of Russell or Bricklink. It is a simple request for
further information and mostly Russell responds to requests such as this when
he can.

Sometimes instead of jumping on an illusionary 'bandwagon' you might
want to look carefully at what is written.

Whilst all of the community is entitled to their opinions and to voice them here
or wherever, you have totally misrepresented what was said by us. You have also
mixed comments in your reply - we made no reference to site functionality - that
was someone else. Our request was for more info on an extended downtime announcement.

I did re-read the messages again just now, you are a great debater, you have
a great way of sidestepping the issues i address that do not fit your narrative.
I'll explain: while there may not be a direct criticism , in a very obvious
way you are showing your disapproval and distrust in the Admin and crew. (i.e;
saying 'it's and aweful long downtime to install an update - YOU DON'T
KNOW THE NATURE OF THE UPDATE how can you pass judgement on the time? - you SAY
you appreciate the team but in the same sentence you deride and show distrust
in the actions.

Once you get an answer from Russell (not just here but also in previous threads)that
doesn't explain what the nature of update is; YET, he answers your question
that it won't affect your experience, you start throwing (polite) tantrums
about how you are entitled to know the specifics of the changes (or other business
decisions and objectives in other threads) because it 'affects your livelihood'
thus you're entitled to know everything.

Your posts are systematically and masterfully crafted to sow doubt in the admins
teams actions without giving being direct ("no surprises, please") thus giving
you the excuse of being misrepresented.

I know you're going to deny my narrative on the way you are coming through
with your message regarding admin/owner. but here it is anyway:
the general feeling coming from reading your threads is of distrust in the work
and direction that the admin/owner has for a vision. The reason you keep harping
on it is because you have a feeling that you are entitled to know and even have
a say regarding this vision even though you have no shares in this business.
You (mistakenly) believe that just because your business and your personal success
is depending on the actions of Bricklink as a whole- that entitles you to be
a part of the decision making process. In other words; it looks like you have
an issue not being in control which is why you built a 'bandwagon' of
which you felt like you'd be garner a voice because you have appointed yourself
as a leader of a collective.
When you were offered to have that bandwagon parked on Bricklink- you declined
(my guess is because it feels nice to lead a bandwagon of opposition rather than
join a coalition where your voice might not get as much attention).

This breaks my heart because i used to enjoy and look forward to your posts years
ago- they were positive and insightful.
At some point you have turned a bit negative and a post about collection of statistics
turned into a passive aggressive dig at BL (the "is bricklink in decline?" post).
where you were once positive- you managed to warp dry number statistics into
a narrative that isn't positive at all.

I have no agenda and not a part of a bandwagon, i do not meet or communicate
with anyone who has a shop here, i do not get or send replies off this forum.
i'm giving you my honest perspective and just like any debate about anything
controversial- i doubt i'll change your mind or attitude- I just wish there
was more positivism and less dis-trust in the work done.
There are issues, i don't dispute that BUT with the resources that this site
has and charges- you take the good with the not so good.
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In Administrative, Stuart9 writes:
  Sorry I didn't make my self clear, I meant them not you.

Why change your subject line, only needed to reply in whatever form they wanted.

New subject title was deliberately provocative.

Hope you didn't take my post the wrong way yesterday, it was only a bit of
fun with the photo attached that made me laugh.

absolutely not it was great

  In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, Stuart9 writes:
  Why the subject change using such an emotive word, no agenda, we'll see.


we didn't change it they did



In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:
  In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:
  In Administrative, calsbricks writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, chetzler writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

No surprises, please. If there are going to be even moderate changes to site
functionality do us the courtesy of at least telling us about them before the
"upgrades".

No changes in site functionality.

Thank you for commenting further Russell. If there are no changes to site functionality
then 4 hours is an awful lot of downtime. Are there system upgrades or hardware
changes being made? I hope you understand how important knowing these things
is to the members. There are a large number of them who earn a crust of bread
from this site and losing 25% of the day can cause concern.

I am sure there are probably changes which we do not need to know about eg. database
updates, hot fixes, etc. as well a general tidy up with op systems etc, but a
bit more clarity is not going to do any harm - actually it is going to do more
good than harm.

We appreciate the workload some of you have and also the constraints that you
have to operate under, but providing your customers with a better understanding
of what is going on is always worth its weight in 'lego bricks'

Thanks.


You seem to constantly question, saw doubts and undermine the Admin and owner
yet baffled that they don’t feel the need to share information with you and provide
you with more material to fuel your constant negativity towards them.

If the Admin deems that it is necessary to lose 4 hours in which they will miss
far more revenue than you then I think we can all stomach that.
This enterprise doesn’t owe you explanations, yet they do make an enormous effort
to be as transparent as they can be.

Please have some empathy, the Admin has to walk a fine line between satisfying
the needs of the community and following the owners directives- no need to add
more stress and disapproval.

Based on my extensive personal experience with Russell , this is an honest, reasonable
and very well intentioned and hard working individual - I and my team have nothing
but trust, respect and gratitude for this team’s hard work.

I also have a lot of respect for you and your great insights you provide to our
community, the stats that you share are valuable too but I wish you could show
more empathy, sincere gratitude, and trust in the people who do so much for us
with little resources and for keeping our commission rates so low for so long.
Most respectfully.

I strongly suggest you reread our comments - there is no sowing of doubts, plenty
of empathy and no criticism of Russell or Bricklink. It is a simple request for
further information and mostly Russell responds to requests such as this when
he can.

Sometimes instead of jumping on an illusionary 'bandwagon' you might
want to look carefully at what is written.

Whilst all of the community is entitled to their opinions and to voice them here
or wherever, you have totally misrepresented what was said by us. You have also
mixed comments in your reply - we made no reference to site functionality - that
was someone else. Our request was for more info on an extended downtime announcement.

I did re-read the messages again just now, you are a great debater, you have
a great way of sidestepping the issues i address that do not fit your narrative.
I'll explain: while there may not be a direct criticism , in a very obvious
way you are showing your disapproval and distrust in the Admin and crew. (i.e;
saying 'it's and aweful long downtime to install an update - YOU DON'T
KNOW THE NATURE OF THE UPDATE how can you pass judgement on the time? - you SAY
you appreciate the team but in the same sentence you deride and show distrust
in the actions.

Once you get an answer from Russell (not just here but also in previous threads)that
doesn't explain what the nature of update is; YET, he answers your question
that it won't affect your experience, you start throwing (polite) tantrums
about how you are entitled to know the specifics of the changes (or other business
decisions and objectives in other threads) because it 'affects your livelihood'
thus you're entitled to know everything.

Your posts are systematically and masterfully crafted to sow doubt in the admins
teams actions without giving being direct ("no surprises, please") thus giving
you the excuse of being misrepresented.

I know you're going to deny my narrative on the way you are coming through
with your message regarding admin/owner. but here it is anyway:
the general feeling coming from reading your threads is of distrust in the work
and direction that the admin/owner has for a vision. The reason you keep harping
on it is because you have a feeling that you are entitled to know and even have
a say regarding this vision even though you have no shares in this business.
You (mistakenly) believe that just because your business and your personal success
is depending on the actions of Bricklink as a whole- that entitles you to be
a part of the decision making process. In other words; it looks like you have
an issue not being in control which is why you built a 'bandwagon' of
which you felt like you'd be garner a voice because you have appointed yourself
as a leader of a collective.
When you were offered to have that bandwagon parked on Bricklink- you declined
(my guess is because it feels nice to lead a bandwagon of opposition rather than
join a coalition where your voice might not get as much attention).

This breaks my heart because i used to enjoy and look forward to your posts years
ago- they were positive and insightful.
At some point you have turned a bit negative and a post about collection of statistics
turned into a passive aggressive dig at BL (the "is bricklink in decline?" post).
where you were once positive- you managed to warp dry number statistics into
a narrative that isn't positive at all.

I have no agenda and not a part of a bandwagon, i do not meet or communicate
with anyone who has a shop here, i do not get or send replies off this forum.
i'm giving you my honest perspective and just like any debate about anything
controversial- i doubt i'll change your mind or attitude- I just wish there
was more positivism and less dis-trust in the work done.
There are issues, i don't dispute that BUT with the resources that this site
has and charges- you take the good with the not so good.
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  You (mistakenly) believe that just because your business and your personal success
is depending on the actions of Bricklink as a whole- that entitles you to be
a part of the decision making process. In other words; it looks like you have
an issue not being in control which is why you built a 'bandwagon' of
which you felt like you'd be garner a voice because you have appointed yourself
as a leader of a collective.
When you were offered to have that bandwagon parked on Bricklink- you declined
(my guess is because it feels nice to lead a bandwagon of opposition rather than
join a coalition where your voice might not get as much attention).

I'm not part of calsbricks group, but I discuss bricklink (both the good
and bad) with other sellers elsewhere. Sometimes actually speak human to human,
and sometimes in written form on other forums. I don't think there is any
harm in that and sometimes it is useful to do this away from BL.

Although I agree nobody is entitled to be involved in the decision making process.
If a customer asks me what my cost price is, or that they want me to stock particular
parts or not stock others, I'd ignore them. I make those decisions, not customers.

Of course, if they ask for opinions, I'd give opinions. If they give a roadmap,
I'd expect them to tell us about progress especially if milestones are being
missed.
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In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
  
  You (mistakenly) believe that just because your business and your personal success
is depending on the actions of Bricklink as a whole- that entitles you to be
a part of the decision making process. In other words; it looks like you have
an issue not being in control which is why you built a 'bandwagon' of
which you felt like you'd be garner a voice because you have appointed yourself
as a leader of a collective.
When you were offered to have that bandwagon parked on Bricklink- you declined
(my guess is because it feels nice to lead a bandwagon of opposition rather than
join a coalition where your voice might not get as much attention).

I'm not part of calsbricks group, but I discuss bricklink (both the good
and bad) with other sellers elsewhere. Sometimes actually speak human to human,
and sometimes in written form on other forums. I don't think there is any
harm in that and sometimes it is useful to do this away from BL.

+1

The reason I voted no for having it on Bricklink, is because I didn't want
the negativity of talking about Bricklink's issues with Bricklink. I just
wanted to read interesting news and share tips and tricks without Bricklink being
a party in that.

There are forums where people talk about dealing with their pets or their
babies and the joys and problems they cause. Imagine having to discuss the problems
WITH the pets and the babies. As I said before there is no Bricklink master plan,
no Bricklink executive office, no grand scheme they're running. Bricklink
is just a thing, and some freelancers maintain it. To me working with Bricklink
is like working with an oldtimer car: You know you have to do the tweaking and
fixing yourself, you're not gonna write angry petitions to some manufacturer.

On Br*ckOwl the situation is different. This is not an oldtimer and the author
is present and responds to questions very quickly. It is alive, you can feel
involved in the decision making process (as far as any random user can realistically
be a part of it). There's no need there to treat it as an object and form
separate groups to talk about it.

A dialog like this is best (and do think we deserve it considering what we pay),
but when that's not available, a separate group is the next best thing. Another
option in the absense of dialog would be to abandon it altogether, but I still
think lots of aspects of Bricklink are very good, very robust, and very useful,
and I am very happy to have it. I think everyone in that group agrees or they
would be doing something else.
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   To me working with Bricklink
is like working with an oldtimer car: You know you have to do the tweaking and
fixing yourself, you're not gonna write angry petitions to some manufacturer.

And sometimes, whatever you do, it just isn't going to work the way you want
it to work.
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In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
  
   To me working with Bricklink
is like working with an oldtimer car: You know you have to do the tweaking and
fixing yourself, you're not gonna write angry petitions to some manufacturer.

And sometimes, whatever you do, it just isn't going to work the way you want
it to work.

Or traffic laws change and you're not entirely sure if driving it is still
legal
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In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
  
   To me working with Bricklink
is like working with an oldtimer car: You know you have to do the tweaking and
fixing yourself, you're not gonna write angry petitions to some manufacturer.

And sometimes, whatever you do, it just isn't going to work the way you want
it to work.

Doesn’t prevent anyone from cursing that #@! old thing and its #@! rusted bolts
while doing it
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In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
  
  You (mistakenly) believe that just because your business and your personal success
is depending on the actions of Bricklink as a whole- that entitles you to be
a part of the decision making process. In other words; it looks like you have
an issue not being in control which is why you built a 'bandwagon' of
which you felt like you'd be garner a voice because you have appointed yourself
as a leader of a collective.
When you were offered to have that bandwagon parked on Bricklink- you declined
(my guess is because it feels nice to lead a bandwagon of opposition rather than
join a coalition where your voice might not get as much attention).

I'm not part of calsbricks group, but I discuss bricklink (both the good
and bad) with other sellers elsewhere. Sometimes actually speak human to human,
and sometimes in written form on other forums. I don't think there is any
harm in that and sometimes it is useful to do this away from BL.

Although I agree nobody is entitled to be involved in the decision making process.
If a customer asks me what my cost price is, or that they want me to stock particular
parts or not stock others, I'd ignore them. I make those decisions, not customers.

Of course, if they ask for opinions, I'd give opinions. If they give a roadmap,
I'd expect them to tell us about progress especially if milestones are being
missed.

That is a very sensible and reasonable way to conduct yourself and I absolutely
agree with you.
My issue was when calsbricks doesn’t get the answers or info that he feels
like he’s entitled for when the Admin ignores his request for specifics (just
like you mentioned or I would too if someone asked about the specifics of my
business) calsbricks doesn’t let it go and has a upper mentioned tantrums where
he says “don’t surprise us” “clarification will do more good than harm” and criticize
the time it would take “that is awful long” without knowing what the update is
(how can you judge the length of time of an update you no nothing of?)
I completely stand by my words, I did not read someone else comment as calsbricks’
this is a pattern of behavior I’m simply (and trying respectfully) to call.
The change of subject was meant to be explosive as a nod to calsbricks who makes
explosive headlines “is Bricklink in decline” and others
I have no agenda, however I am triggered by people who believe that just because
they sell on BrickLink - they feel entitled to information and to be a part of
the decision making at Bricklink.

Being a patron of a business, doesn’t entitle you to patronize its admins.
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In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:
  In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
  
  You (mistakenly) believe that just because your business and your personal success
is depending on the actions of Bricklink as a whole- that entitles you to be
a part of the decision making process. In other words; it looks like you have
an issue not being in control which is why you built a 'bandwagon' of
which you felt like you'd be garner a voice because you have appointed yourself
as a leader of a collective.
When you were offered to have that bandwagon parked on Bricklink- you declined
(my guess is because it feels nice to lead a bandwagon of opposition rather than
join a coalition where your voice might not get as much attention).

I'm not part of calsbricks group, but I discuss bricklink (both the good
and bad) with other sellers elsewhere. Sometimes actually speak human to human,
and sometimes in written form on other forums. I don't think there is any
harm in that and sometimes it is useful to do this away from BL.

Although I agree nobody is entitled to be involved in the decision making process.
If a customer asks me what my cost price is, or that they want me to stock particular
parts or not stock others, I'd ignore them. I make those decisions, not customers.

Of course, if they ask for opinions, I'd give opinions. If they give a roadmap,
I'd expect them to tell us about progress especially if milestones are being
missed.

That is a very sensible and reasonable way to conduct yourself and I absolutely
agree with you.
My issue was when calsbricks doesn’t get the answers or info that he feels
like he’s entitled for when the Admin ignores his request for specifics (just
like you mentioned or I would too if someone asked about the specifics of my
business) calsbricks doesn’t let it go and has a upper mentioned tantrums where
he says “don’t surprise us” “clarification will do more good than harm” and criticize
the time it would take “that is awful long” without knowing what the update is
(how can you judge the length of time of an update you no nothing of?)
I completely stand by my words, I did not read someone else comment as calsbricks’
this is a pattern of behavior I’m simply (and trying respectfully) to call.
The change of subject was meant to be explosive as a nod to calsbricks who makes
explosive headlines “is Bricklink in decline” and others
I have no agenda, however I am triggered by people who believe that just because
they sell on BrickLink - they feel entitled to information and to be a part of
the decision making at Bricklink.

Being a patron of a business, doesn’t entitle you to patronize its admins.

You have been making accusations throughout your threads regarding this and each
time I have asked you to re-read the thread, which you have claimed to have done
and yet you continue to make false accusations. I will bear the brunt of your
criticism as much as I believe it is unfounded and more of a personal attack
on calsbricks than anything else, however I do draw the line at false accusations.

Yet again you quote the phrase "no surprises". That was written not by us but
by chetzler, the 11th thread down - copy embedeed in here so you needn't
go back through all the responses. which you should have discovered if you actually
read the thread.

You are way off base and need to stop with whatever agenda you believe you have.

You are continuing to utter absolute garbage which is based on your inability
to read what was written and associate it with the people who have written that.
At no time did we make a "No Surprises" comment and at no time did we challenge
anything Russell said - all we did was ask for more information - the rest of
your story is the fantasy you have in your mind. Maybe you should focus on your
store rather than the forum. For a 4 million part store you aren't really
doing that well are you?
 
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, chetzler writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

No surprises, please. If there are going to be even moderate changes to site
functionality do us the courtesy of at least telling us about them before the
"upgrades".

No changes in site functionality.

Just the avatar of former admin Jaclyn finally removed from the PayPal payment
confirmation page? Or is she here to stay forever
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In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, chetzler writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

No surprises, please. If there are going to be even moderate changes to site
functionality do us the courtesy of at least telling us about them before the
"upgrades".

No changes in site functionality.

Just the avatar of former admin Jaclyn finally removed from the PayPal payment
confirmation page? Or is she here to stay forever

Sorry to disagree with such a thought But personally, I'd like to see
her avatar maintained as a small gesture to her contributions to this site. Not
much to ask is it?
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In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, chetzler writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

No surprises, please. If there are going to be even moderate changes to site
functionality do us the courtesy of at least telling us about them before the
"upgrades".

No changes in site functionality.

Just the avatar of former admin Jaclyn finally removed from the PayPal payment
confirmation page? Or is she here to stay forever

Sorry to disagree with such a thought But personally, I'd like to see
her avatar maintained as a small gesture to her contributions to this site. Not
much to ask is it?

In a hall of fame yes, but I think this is really strange. For a company to be
"represented" daily by someone who's fired and no longer on the pay roll...

We had a TV show here about books. The presenter sadly died unexpectedly and
for weeks they kept making the show with in the background a logo of the title
and "with.." and then his name. Sorry for the macabre example but it reminds
me a little bit of that kind of awkwardness.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind it or have any problem with it. It's
just very surprising and seems nonsensical to me. But I guess lack of logic can
make things more fun If I were Bricklink I would have changed it immediately,
but not being Bricklink, it's all good with me
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In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, chetzler writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

No surprises, please. If there are going to be even moderate changes to site
functionality do us the courtesy of at least telling us about them before the
"upgrades".

No changes in site functionality.

Just the avatar of former admin Jaclyn finally removed from the PayPal payment
confirmation page? Or is she here to stay forever

Sorry to disagree with such a thought But personally, I'd like to see
her avatar maintained as a small gesture to her contributions to this site. Not
much to ask is it?

In a hall of fame yes, but I think this is really strange. For a company to be
"represented" daily by someone who's fired and no longer on the pay roll...

"fired?" Fired or not, she's a part of this site! Just as many other influential
people that have fallen from recent memory.

  
We had a TV show here about books. The presenter sadly died unexpectedly and
for weeks they kept making the show with in the background a logo of the title
and "with.." and then his name. Sorry for the macabre example but it reminds
me a little bit of that kind of awkwardness.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind it or have any problem with it.

Then why, may I ask, do you take the time to express your concern of it?

  It's just very surprising and seems nonsensical to me. But I guess lack of logic can make things more fun

Do you understand the concept of homage, or simple respect? I ask honestly, as
I no longer know whom does.

  If I were Bricklink I would have changed it immediately, but not being Bricklink, it's all good with me

Good! I'm not saying the decision will be taken to keep her avatar, but it'd
be nice.

-Cory
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  In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, chetzler writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

No surprises, please. If there are going to be even moderate changes to site
functionality do us the courtesy of at least telling us about them before the
"upgrades".

No changes in site functionality.

Just the avatar of former admin Jaclyn finally removed from the PayPal payment
confirmation page? Or is she here to stay forever

Sorry to disagree with such a thought But personally, I'd like to see
her avatar maintained as a small gesture to her contributions to this site. Not
much to ask is it?

In a hall of fame yes, but I think this is really strange. For a company to be
"represented" daily by someone who's fired and no longer on the pay roll...

"fired?" Fired or not, she's a part of this site! Just as many other influential
people that have fallen from recent memory.

I agree

  
  
We had a TV show here about books. The presenter sadly died unexpectedly and
for weeks they kept making the show with in the background a logo of the title
and "with.." and then his name. Sorry for the macabre example but it reminds
me a little bit of that kind of awkwardness.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind it or have any problem with it.

Then why, may I ask, do you take the time to express your concern of it?

Because I think it looks super weird and not professional. Funny for us but awkward
for Bricklink.

  
  It's just very surprising and seems nonsensical to me. But I guess lack of logic can make things more fun

Do you understand the concept of homage, or simple respect? I ask honestly, as
I no longer know whom does.

Why ask me? Did you forget I was the one who posted a topic about her?
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In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, chetzler writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

No surprises, please. If there are going to be even moderate changes to site
functionality do us the courtesy of at least telling us about them before the
"upgrades".

No changes in site functionality.

Just the avatar of former admin Jaclyn finally removed from the PayPal payment
confirmation page? Or is she here to stay forever

Sorry to disagree with such a thought But personally, I'd like to see
her avatar maintained as a small gesture to her contributions to this site. Not
much to ask is it?

In a hall of fame yes, but I think this is really strange. For a company to be
"represented" daily by someone who's fired and no longer on the pay roll...

"fired?" Fired or not, she's a part of this site! Just as many other influential
people that have fallen from recent memory.

I agree

  
  
We had a TV show here about books. The presenter sadly died unexpectedly and
for weeks they kept making the show with in the background a logo of the title
and "with.." and then his name. Sorry for the macabre example but it reminds
me a little bit of that kind of awkwardness.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind it or have any problem with it.

Then why, may I ask, do you take the time to express your concern of it?

Because I think it looks super weird and not professional. Funny for us but awkward
for Bricklink.

  
  It's just very surprising and seems nonsensical to me. But I guess lack of logic can make things more fun

Do you understand the concept of homage, or simple respect? I ask honestly, as
I no longer know whom does.

Why ask me? Did you forget I was the one who posted a topic about her?

Yes I did, apologies. But let's not cheap'n what you've done for
her, with the pettiness of this proposal.
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In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, chetzler writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

No surprises, please. If there are going to be even moderate changes to site
functionality do us the courtesy of at least telling us about them before the
"upgrades".

No changes in site functionality.

Just the avatar of former admin Jaclyn finally removed from the PayPal payment
confirmation page? Or is she here to stay forever

Sorry to disagree with such a thought But personally, I'd like to see
her avatar maintained as a small gesture to her contributions to this site. Not
much to ask is it?

In a hall of fame yes, but I think this is really strange. For a company to be
"represented" daily by someone who's fired and no longer on the pay roll...

"fired?" Fired or not, she's a part of this site! Just as many other influential
people that have fallen from recent memory.

I agree

  
  
We had a TV show here about books. The presenter sadly died unexpectedly and
for weeks they kept making the show with in the background a logo of the title
and "with.." and then his name. Sorry for the macabre example but it reminds
me a little bit of that kind of awkwardness.

Don't get me wrong, I don't mind it or have any problem with it.

Then why, may I ask, do you take the time to express your concern of it?

Because I think it looks super weird and not professional. Funny for us but awkward
for Bricklink.

  
  It's just very surprising and seems nonsensical to me. But I guess lack of logic can make things more fun

Do you understand the concept of homage, or simple respect? I ask honestly, as
I no longer know whom does.

Why ask me? Did you forget I was the one who posted a topic about her?

Yes I did, apologies. But let's not cheap'n what you've done for
her, with the pettiness of this proposal.

It wasn't an actual proposal. To me it just goes without saying that for
example if you have a boardroom meeting and there are name tags on the table,
and someone no longer works there, they'd remove the tag from the table.
It just looks messy, a lack of maintenance. As randyf pointed out, many people
won't even know because they don't know her or they don't use PayPal,
but I doubt that was the rationale for leaving it there. For me it's just
a reminder of Bricklink's empty cockpit.

Anyway. My reason for mentioning it at all was just because I think it's
such a silly phenomenon on Bricklink, and not to bring it up as an "issue" that
needs to be changed.. I don't bring up issues anyway, because they don't
get fixed.

Fine, bottomline: she can stay until the end of time
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In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, chetzler writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

No surprises, please. If there are going to be even moderate changes to site
functionality do us the courtesy of at least telling us about them before the
"upgrades".

No changes in site functionality.

Just the avatar of former admin Jaclyn finally removed from the PayPal payment
confirmation page? Or is she here to stay forever

Sorry to disagree with such a thought But personally, I'd like to see
her avatar maintained as a small gesture to her contributions to this site. Not
much to ask is it?

+1

And most people don't even know that that image actually represented a real
person. To most, it is just a minifigure.
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In Administrative, randyf writes:
  In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, chetzler writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

No surprises, please. If there are going to be even moderate changes to site
functionality do us the courtesy of at least telling us about them before the
"upgrades".

No changes in site functionality.

Just the avatar of former admin Jaclyn finally removed from the PayPal payment
confirmation page? Or is she here to stay forever

Sorry to disagree with such a thought But personally, I'd like to see
her avatar maintained as a small gesture to her contributions to this site. Not
much to ask is it?

+1

And most people don't even know that that image actually represented a real
person. To most, it is just a minifigure.

What does "just a minifigure" mean?
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In Administrative, randyf writes:
  In Administrative, popsicle writes:
  In Administrative, Teup writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Administrative, chetzler writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

No surprises, please. If there are going to be even moderate changes to site
functionality do us the courtesy of at least telling us about them before the
"upgrades".

No changes in site functionality.

Just the avatar of former admin Jaclyn finally removed from the PayPal payment
confirmation page? Or is she here to stay forever

Sorry to disagree with such a thought But personally, I'd like to see
her avatar maintained as a small gesture to her contributions to this site. Not
much to ask is it?

+1

And most people don't even know that that image actually represented a real
person. To most, it is just a minifigure.

Good point, to most it is. And to those in-the-know, it's more!

Just as it would be, were it you or Russell...

Thank you, Randy
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In Administrative, randyf writes:

  And most people don't even know that that image actually represented a real
person. To most, it is just a minifigure.

Yeah, I never knew it was meant to be anyone...
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

Why would that not be done in the middle of the night? I realize that what might
be middle of the night is different around the world. What I understand is that
the US is the largest customer base on BrickLink.
John P
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In Administrative, legoman77 writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

Why would that not be done in the middle of the night? I realize that what might
be middle of the night is different around the world. What I understand is that
the US is the largest customer base on BrickLink.
John P


Narrator:

And that was the moment when John volunteered to let the employees know that
there was going to be a slumber party, next Tuesday, in Irvine. All the coders
were to be invited.

Little did he know, the coders were plotting their revenge...
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In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  
Narrator:

And that was the moment when John volunteered to let the employees know that
there was going to be a slumber party, next Tuesday, in Irvine. All the coders
were to be invited.

Little did he know, the coders were plotting their revenge...

This one I will remember for a long time

I am making backups this MONDAY. I strongly recommend you do too.
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In Administrative, StarBrick writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  
Narrator:

And that was the moment when John volunteered to let the employees know that
there was going to be a slumber party, next Tuesday, in Irvine. All the coders
were to be invited.

Little did he know, the coders were plotting their revenge...

This one I will remember for a long time


  I am making backups this MONDAY. I strongly recommend you do too.

Religiously every night
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In Administrative, StarBrick writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  
Narrator:

And that was the moment when John volunteered to let the employees know that
there was going to be a slumber party, next Tuesday, in Irvine. All the coders
were to be invited.

Little did he know, the coders were plotting their revenge...

This one I will remember for a long time

I am making backups this MONDAY. I strongly recommend you do too.



The hat eating is scheduled for sometime after Tuesday. Got it
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In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, StarBrick writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  
Narrator:

And that was the moment when John volunteered to let the employees know that
there was going to be a slumber party, next Tuesday, in Irvine. All the coders
were to be invited.

Little did he know, the coders were plotting their revenge...

This one I will remember for a long time

I am making backups this MONDAY. I strongly recommend you do too.



The hat eating is scheduled for sometime after Tuesday. Got it

Two years from now there will be a message that the Extended System Downtime
is finished. (Unless there is a 500 message.)
John P
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In Administrative, legoman77 writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  In Administrative, StarBrick writes:
  In Administrative, Adjour writes:
  
Narrator:

And that was the moment when John volunteered to let the employees know that
there was going to be a slumber party, next Tuesday, in Irvine. All the coders
were to be invited.

Little did he know, the coders were plotting their revenge...

This one I will remember for a long time

I am making backups this MONDAY. I strongly recommend you do too.



The hat eating is scheduled for sometime after Tuesday. Got it

Two years from now there will be a message that the Extended System Downtime
is finished. (Unless there is a 500 message.)
John P

That might mean the changing of habits of a lifetime
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In Administrative, legoman77 writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

Why would that not be done in the middle of the night? I realize that what might
be middle of the night is different around the world. What I understand is that
the US is the largest customer base on BrickLink.
John P

I would guess because they may need staff present for the upgrade for various
reasons. It could be a precaution just in case something stalls and could cause
even a longer outage if no-one is around to correct things during the upgrade.
I imagine Tuesday afternoon may be a slow time during US Bricklink hours and
that is why it was chosen. According to my PayPal report, I get more business
on Monday than Tuesday, but I am a small fry in this basket.

Miro
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I would guess because they may need staff present for the upgrade for various
reasons. It could be a precaution just in case something stalls and could cause
even a longer outage if no-one is around to correct things during the upgrade. […]

Hey! That’s breaking the whole industry’s old and sacred tradition of making
untested vital upgrades Friday nights before a 3-day-long holyday week-end while
you already started celebrating since before lunch.
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  Hey! That’s breaking the whole industry’s old and sacred tradition of making
untested vital upgrades Friday nights before a 3-day-long holyday week-end while
you already started celebrating since before lunch.


^^ Also known as a normal Friday in France.
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In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
  
  Hey! That’s breaking the whole industry’s old and sacred tradition of making
untested vital upgrades Friday nights before a 3-day-long holyday week-end while
you already started celebrating since before lunch.


^^ Also known as a normal Friday in France.

Well, it seems to be like “capote anglaise”/French letter where each side of
the Channel blames the other side: the 5-day week (as opposed to the 6-day week)
is called “semaine anglaise”
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In Administrative, Miro78 writes:
  In Administrative, legoman77 writes:
  In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

Why would that not be done in the middle of the night? I realize that what might
be middle of the night is different around the world. What I understand is that
the US is the largest customer base on BrickLink.
John P

I would guess because they may need staff present for the upgrade for various
reasons. It could be a precaution just in case something stalls and could cause
even a longer outage if no-one is around to correct things during the upgrade.
I imagine Tuesday afternoon may be a slow time during US Bricklink hours and
that is why it was chosen. According to my PayPal report, I get more business
on Monday than Tuesday, but I am a small fry in this basket.

Makes sense, Miro. At least as much as any other postulation in this thread.

I mean, what difference does it make anyway? Any given day and time the site
chooses to carryout this shutdown, would inconvenience a certain percentage of
what is a worldwide membership.

Who knows why, other than those that have a hand in orchestrating and carrying
out the task. There could be many reasons/factors for the decision taken

-Cory
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
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Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

I have this blocked via ad block. I never see the bars.
Thanks for the notice!
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  I was just 'robbed' of the ability to reply to calsbricks' (super
tantrumy) reply to my statements. he really went off the rails there.
Up until that point i respected that he at least never got into personal insults
but I guess it's not easy to participate in a discussion in an environment
where others might have different opinions from you.
Yeah, that's the temperament of someone i'd like Bricklink to take advise
from...

Never assume malice, and certainly don't take things personally. Apparently
a portion of this thread has been locked: no one can reply to the message to
which you are referring.

Since some of my words have been dragged into your argument with calsbricks I'll
defend them. There is nothing wrong with asking the powers that be to avoid
surprises. For sellers for whom this is a part-time job (which is undoubtedly
the majority of us), stability is important. I'm working my store in between
my day job and my family so when I find some time to sit down and pack orders
or perform a part-out the site just needs to work. I don't have time to
wait around or try to find where some site function was moved to or to learn
a new interface.

We should dispel the notion that sellers are simply customers of BL--we are
really more like clients. BrickLink provides a specialized service to us that
we pay for. We're not just purchasing random goods and then parting ways.
We have created a relationship with BrickLink (insert your own 1x5 joke here)
and we are well within bounds to question possible changes to those services
or at the very least request/demand more information.

In this current instance, BrickLink, to its credit, provided additional advance
notice to an usually long scheduled downtime. It is completely reasonable that
we, as clients, would like to know more about such an unusual event especially
since no other information was provided. BrickLink, again to its credit, replied
that no changes to site functionality are planned. Presumably, some technical
or performance problems are being ironed out. I am satisfied with the additional
explanation that was given, provided site functionality truly remains unaffected.
As a client all I really care about is my ability to operate my store, without
hassle, when my schedule allows. Any expressions of frustration/annoyance/anger
that I have ever made here in the forum really just boil down to dealing with
an inability to smoothly run my store.

The notion that BrickLink is not beholden to anyone under any circumstances needs
to die. While it is a practical fact, it is not a healthy outlook, especially
from those whom it serves. While we sellers haven't technically hired BrickLink
for future services we have, in a sense, retained them: we have invested innumerable
hours listing inventory on the site in anticipation of future sales. And though
it has become a cliche, it bears repeating that we sellers do pay their bills.
BrickLink has a repsonsibility to see that its client's needs are being
meet and that changes to the site are implemented in a way that does not inconvenience
its clients. Any small-to-medium corporation that operates counter to that idea
will eventually find itself with a dearth of clients.

Well that turned into a bit of a novel! If you read this far and place an order
this weekend I will include a signed copy of that book for free 😁
 Author: Heartbricker View Messages Posted By Heartbricker
 Posted: Nov 15, 2019 18:41
 Subject: Re: Extended System Downtime
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In Administrative, chetzler writes:
  In Administrative, Heartbricker writes:
  I was just 'robbed' of the ability to reply to calsbricks' (super
tantrumy) reply to my statements. he really went off the rails there.
Up until that point i respected that he at least never got into personal insults
but I guess it's not easy to participate in a discussion in an environment
where others might have different opinions from you.
Yeah, that's the temperament of someone i'd like Bricklink to take advise
from...

Never assume malice, and certainly don't take things personally. Apparently
a portion of this thread has been locked: no one can reply to the message to
which you are referring.

Since some of my words have been dragged into your argument with calsbricks I'll
defend them. There is nothing wrong with asking the powers that be to avoid
surprises. For sellers for whom this is a part-time job (which is undoubtedly
the majority of us), stability is important. I'm working my store in between
my day job and my family so when I find some time to sit down and pack orders
or perform a part-out the site just needs to work. I don't have time to
wait around or try to find where some site function was moved to or to learn
a new interface.

We should dispel the notion that sellers are simply customers of BL--we are
really more like clients. BrickLink provides a specialized service to us that
we pay for. We're not just purchasing random goods and then parting ways.
We have created a relationship with BrickLink (insert your own 1x5 joke here)
and we are well within bounds to question possible changes to those services
or at the very least request/demand more information.

In this current instance, BrickLink, to its credit, provided additional advance
notice to an usually long scheduled downtime. It is completely reasonable that
we, as clients, would like to know more about such an unusual event especially
since no other information was provided. BrickLink, again to its credit, replied
that no changes to site functionality are planned. Presumably, some technical
or performance problems are being ironed out. I am satisfied with the additional
explanation that was given, provided site functionality truly remains unaffected.
As a client all I really care about is my ability to operate my store, without
hassle, when my schedule allows. Any expressions of frustration/annoyance/anger
that I have ever made here in the forum really just boil down to dealing with
an inability to smoothly run my store.

The notion that BrickLink is not beholden to anyone under any circumstances needs
to die. While it is a practical fact, it is not a healthy outlook, especially
from those whom it serves. While we sellers haven't technically hired BrickLink
for future services we have, in a sense, retained them: we have invested innumerable
hours listing inventory on the site in anticipation of future sales. And though
it has become a cliche, it bears repeating that we sellers do pay their bills.
BrickLink has a repsonsibility to see that its client's needs are being
meet and that changes to the site are implemented in a way that does not inconvenience
its clients. Any small-to-medium corporation that operates counter to that idea
will eventually find itself with a dearth of clients.

Well that turned into a bit of a novel! If you read this far and place an order
this weekend I will include a signed copy of that book for free 😁

I concede and actually agree and find your 'novel' to be reasonable.
My issue is with the sense of entitlement that some people have and keep pressing
on the admin after essentially being told repeatedly, "this isn't going to
affect you other than the 4 hours of downtime and that's all we can share."
I don't see the reason to keep pressing the admin multiple times after this
has been said- I find that behavior (repeat pressure) invasive, distrustful and
control freakish.
I agree that we're entitled to expect a certain level of service, but we
also pay a much lower fee than other sites and the Bricklink team is doing a
very good job with those limited resources and for that they deserve praise rather
than belligerent rants of disgruntled few.
We are not entitled to tell Bricklink how to run their business, we're not
entitled to information that isn't wished to be shared with us and just like
i wouldn't like to be spoken to with such distrust and derision- I don't
wish to see a helpful team being spoken to in that manner- they may not be able
to reply 'back off' but the rest of us are to some degree.
 Author: cc10gaming View Messages Posted By cc10gaming
 Posted: Nov 19, 2019 16:47
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In Administrative, Admin_Russell writes:
  For those of you who may have closed today's maintenance notification bar
without reading it carefully...

Next Tuesday, Nov. 19 from 12:00 noon until 4:00 PM EST (BrickLink time) we will
perform system upgrades. The site will be down / unavailable during this 4-hour
window. Regular monthly maintenance is typically somewhat shorter.

My Store API integrations have broken post-maintenance. Did the Oauth requirements
change?
 Author: Pippyblocks View Messages Posted By Pippyblocks
 Posted: Nov 19, 2019 16:50
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