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After we posted a teaser about the AFOL Designer Program, we closely monitored the conversation surrounding it. It was fun to read what you all thought this program would be. So what is it exactly? In case you missed it, BrickLink and the LEGO Group are celebrating 60 years of the LEGO® brick with the AFOL community by realizing unique designs with truly original themes. Through this program, your design can become a limited edition 60 Years Anniversary set!

How does the AFOL Designer Program work?

The program will have three main phases:

1. Accepting entries - To give you some time to think about what you’d like to design, we will begin accepting entries on September 18th until November 18th. Your designs will not be displayed publicly during this time. The LEGO design team will review your submissions made with Studio 2.0, and up to 20 finalists will be selected.
2. Crowdfunding - Selected designs will be announced and displayed for crowdfunding beginning February 2019. You will be able to pre-order designs at this time.
3. Release - Successfully crowdfunded designs will become a limited edition 60 Years Anniversary set exclusively available on BrickLink. We will begin shipping orders April 2019.

Why should I submit my designs?

Besides being able to share your designs with the AFOL community, designs that are selected for realization will also be reviewed and produced as limited edition box sets. On top of that, BrickLink will pay 10% of total sales revenue to designers for all successfully crowdfunded AFOL designs including pre-order. You will retain full IP rights for non-selected designs, meaning you can freely use your original designs for any other purpose after the event.

Even if you aren’t a designer, we’d still love everyone to get involved! You can share your design ideas with the AFOL community in the Studio 2.0 forum.

Ready to get started?

The AFOL Designer Program requires that your designs are submitted with Studio 2.0, which has improved functionality and new features for this program (new features will be available Sep 18th). A building palette made specifically for the AFOL Designer Program will be included so that you are able to focus more on the design itself. Next, check if your design is stable with the all-new stability check because we want to fall for designs, not have them fall apart. Then you can export breathtaking images and even create building instructions for your designs!

Go here for more details about design requirements or FAQs, or go here to download or learn more about Studio 2.0.

We can’t wait to see what you come up with!


Thank you,

BrickLink Team
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 Author: StarBrick View Messages Posted By StarBrick
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What's the crowdfunding part has to do with?
Lego running out of funds... with that turnover... impossible!
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
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In Announce, StarBrick writes:
  What's the crowdfunding part has to do with?

It’s the “grown-up” version of voting on Ideas.
Grown-ups are always talking about money you know, they vote with money, not
“likes.”


  Lego running out of funds... with that turnover... impossible!

As I understand it, it’s BrickLink that will sell. So I guess you might rethink
that as “BL doesn’t want to run out of funds.”
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In Announce, SylvainLS writes:
  In Announce, StarBrick writes:
  What's the crowdfunding part has to do with?

It’s the “grown-up” version of voting on Ideas.
Grown-ups are always talking about money you know, they vote with money, not
“likes.”


  Lego running out of funds... with that turnover... impossible!

As I understand it, it’s BrickLink that will sell. So I guess you might rethink
that as “BL doesn’t want to run out of funds.”

Right, "The LEGO design team will review your design as is, and BrickLink will
produce and distribute the sets."
So BL has now turned into a Lego-set producing firm. Sets that are NOT official
sets.
So a kind of Ideas-rip off or do the sets get offical Lego numbers?
This is SO FAR of from Dan's intentions.... shame is the only word I find
apropriate.
 Author: venomsailor View Messages Posted By venomsailor
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Can you discuss more about the crowdfunding? Is this like Kickstarter so if
not enough people preorders it doesn't happen?

In NEWS, Admin writes:
  After we posted a teaser about the AFOL Designer Program, we closely monitored the conversation surrounding it. It was fun to read what you all thought this program would be. So what is it exactly? In case you missed it, BrickLink and the LEGO Group are celebrating 60 years of the LEGO® brick with the AFOL community by realizing unique designs with truly original themes. Through this program, your design can become a limited edition 60 Years Anniversary set!

How does the AFOL Designer Program work?

The program will have three main phases:

1. Accepting entries - To give you some time to think about what you’d like to design, we will begin accepting entries on September 18th until November 18th. Your designs will not be displayed publicly during this time. The LEGO design team will review your submissions made with Studio 2.0, and up to 20 finalists will be selected.
2. Crowdfunding - Selected designs will be announced and displayed for crowdfunding beginning February 2019. You will be able to pre-order designs at this time.
3. Release - Successfully crowdfunded designs will become a limited edition 60 Years Anniversary set exclusively available on BrickLink. We will begin shipping orders April 2019.

Why should I submit my designs?

Besides being able to share your designs with the AFOL community, designs that are selected for realization will also be reviewed and produced as limited edition box sets. On top of that, BrickLink will pay 10% of total sales revenue to designers for all successfully crowdfunded AFOL designs including pre-order. You will retain full IP rights for non-selected designs, meaning you can freely use your original designs for any other purpose after the event.

Even if you aren’t a designer, we’d still love everyone to get involved! You can share your design ideas with the AFOL community in the Studio 2.0 forum.

Ready to get started?

The AFOL Designer Program requires that your designs are submitted with Studio 2.0, which has improved functionality and new features for this program (new features will be available Sep 18th). A building palette made specifically for the AFOL Designer Program will be included so that you are able to focus more on the design itself. Next, check if your design is stable with the all-new stability check because we want to fall for designs, not have them fall apart. Then you can export breathtaking images and even create building instructions for your designs!

Go here for more details about design requirements or FAQs, or go here to download or learn more about Studio 2.0.

We can’t wait to see what you come up with!


Thank you,

BrickLink Team
 Author: BrickFeverParts View Messages Posted By BrickFeverParts
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And who is going to sell the exclusive set then?

In NEWS, Admin writes:
  After we posted a teaser about the AFOL Designer Program, we closely monitored the conversation surrounding it. It was fun to read what you all thought this program would be. So what is it exactly? In case you missed it, BrickLink and the LEGO Group are celebrating 60 years of the LEGO® brick with the AFOL community by realizing unique designs with truly original themes. Through this program, your design can become a limited edition 60 Years Anniversary set!

How does the AFOL Designer Program work?

The program will have three main phases:

1. Accepting entries - To give you some time to think about what you’d like to design, we will begin accepting entries on September 18th until November 18th. Your designs will not be displayed publicly during this time. The LEGO design team will review your submissions made with Studio 2.0, and up to 20 finalists will be selected.
2. Crowdfunding - Selected designs will be announced and displayed for crowdfunding beginning February 2019. You will be able to pre-order designs at this time.
3. Release - Successfully crowdfunded designs will become a limited edition 60 Years Anniversary set exclusively available on BrickLink. We will begin shipping orders April 2019.

Why should I submit my designs?

Besides being able to share your designs with the AFOL community, designs that are selected for realization will also be reviewed and produced as limited edition box sets. On top of that, BrickLink will pay 10% of total sales revenue to designers for all successfully crowdfunded AFOL designs including pre-order. You will retain full IP rights for non-selected designs, meaning you can freely use your original designs for any other purpose after the event.

Even if you aren’t a designer, we’d still love everyone to get involved! You can share your design ideas with the AFOL community in the Studio 2.0 forum.

Ready to get started?

The AFOL Designer Program requires that your designs are submitted with Studio 2.0, which has improved functionality and new features for this program (new features will be available Sep 18th). A building palette made specifically for the AFOL Designer Program will be included so that you are able to focus more on the design itself. Next, check if your design is stable with the all-new stability check because we want to fall for designs, not have them fall apart. Then you can export breathtaking images and even create building instructions for your designs!

Go here for more details about design requirements or FAQs, or go here to download or learn more about Studio 2.0.

We can’t wait to see what you come up with!


Thank you,

BrickLink Team
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dunno, the designer I guess, so he/she/they need a store
BL will get paid in the fees....
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  In Announce, BrickFeverParts writes:
  And who is going to sell the exclusive set then?


dunno, the designer I guess, so he/she/they need a store
BL will get paid in the fees....

https://studio.bricklink.com/v2/build/afoldesigner.page

It’s in the FAQ: a South-California BL-operated BL-store, Studio Shop.

The designer gets “10% of the total sales values of all sets sold.”
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In Announce, BrickFeverParts writes:
  And who is going to sell the exclusive set then?

In NEWS, Admin writes:
  After we posted a teaser about the AFOL Designer Program, we closely monitored the conversation surrounding it. It was fun to read what you all thought this program would be. So what is it exactly? In case you missed it, BrickLink and the LEGO Group are celebrating 60 years of the LEGO® brick with the AFOL community by realizing unique designs with truly original themes. Through this program, your design can become a limited edition 60 Years Anniversary set!

How does the AFOL Designer Program work?

The program will have three main phases:

1. Accepting entries - To give you some time to think about what you’d like to design, we will begin accepting entries on September 18th until November 18th. Your designs will not be displayed publicly during this time. The LEGO design team will review your submissions made with Studio 2.0, and up to 20 finalists will be selected.
2. Crowdfunding - Selected designs will be announced and displayed for crowdfunding beginning February 2019. You will be able to pre-order designs at this time.
3. Release - Successfully crowdfunded designs will become a limited edition 60 Years Anniversary set exclusively available on BrickLink. We will begin shipping orders April 2019.

Why should I submit my designs?

Besides being able to share your designs with the AFOL community, designs that are selected for realization will also be reviewed and produced as limited edition box sets. On top of that, BrickLink will pay 10% of total sales revenue to designers for all successfully crowdfunded AFOL designs including pre-order. You will retain full IP rights for non-selected designs, meaning you can freely use your original designs for any other purpose after the event.

Even if you aren’t a designer, we’d still love everyone to get involved! You can share your design ideas with the AFOL community in the Studio 2.0 forum.

Ready to get started?

The AFOL Designer Program requires that your designs are submitted with Studio 2.0, which has improved functionality and new features for this program (new features will be available Sep 18th). A building palette made specifically for the AFOL Designer Program will be included so that you are able to focus more on the design itself. Next, check if your design is stable with the all-new stability check because we want to fall for designs, not have them fall apart. Then you can export breathtaking images and even create building instructions for your designs!

Go here for more details about design requirements or FAQs, or go here to download or learn more about Studio 2.0.

We can’t wait to see what you come up with!


Thank you,

BrickLink Team

"Sets will only be sold from one BrickLink store and that is Studio Shop, a store
owned and operated by BrickLink itself in Southern California. We may elect to
distribute certain quantities of product to key places around the globe to help
save on shipping costs for buyers, but all orders will originate in Studio Shop."
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"Sets will only be sold from one BrickLink store and that is Studio Shop, a store
owned and operated by BrickLink itself in Southern California. We may elect to
distribute certain quantities of product to key places around the globe to help
save on shipping costs for buyers, but all orders will originate in Studio Shop."

Where did that come from?
If true: BL HAS shifted from a platform to provide a marketplace to being a seller
ON that marketplace. Shame again?
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oh, the agony, I quit here, sorry, I am getting too much negativity from this
great announcement

signing off (not able to return the next few days....)
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"Sets will only be sold from one BrickLink store and that is Studio Shop, a store
owned and operated by BrickLink itself in Southern California. We may elect to
distribute certain quantities of product to key places around the globe to help
save on shipping costs for buyers, but all orders will originate in Studio Shop."

Where did that come from?
If true: BL HAS shifted from a platform to provide a marketplace to being a seller
ON that marketplace. Shame again?

+1

This is the opposite of developing Bricklink, it's using Bricklink as a vehicle
for the administration's own purposes. That's not an accusation, just
a reality. Not unforgivable, they have a right to do this. Just a little bit
sad. I had hoped they would actually involve the people who pay their salary
a bit, the sellers... but seems this is a sideline game for us.
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How many different sets can be produced? Is there a limit?
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In Announce, modul writes:
  In NEWS, Admin writes:
  

How many different sets can be produced? Is there a limit?

https://studio.bricklink.com/v2/build/afoldesigner.page

Not very clear but a project needs to go to at least $10.000 to be produced,
and then it can still be supported until the end of the crowdfunding or until
2.500 sets
have been purchased.
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In Announce, SylvainLS writes:
  In Announce, modul writes:
  In NEWS, Admin writes:
  

How many different sets can be produced? Is there a limit?

https://studio.bricklink.com/v2/build/afoldesigner.page

Not very clear but a project needs to go to at least $10.000 to be produced,
and then it can still be supported until the end of the crowdfunding or until
2.500 sets
have been purchased.

Does anyone have any idea how the cost of any of those sets will be determined?
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  https://studio.bricklink.com/v2/build/afoldesigner.page

Not very clear but a project needs to go to at least $10.000 to be produced,
and then it can still be supported until the end of the crowdfunding or until
2.500 sets
have been purchased.

Does anyone have any idea how the cost of any of those sets will be determined?

I guess it’s another reason why LEGO is involved?
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After reading all of this more than once, I still can't figure out how The
LEGO Group is involved in this process in any way. It sounds like BrickLink is
collecting the entries, BrickLink is going to raise money for the entries, and
then BrickLink is going to sell the entries. Exactly where is the collaboration?
Is the only collaboration that BrickLink will be purchasing bricks from LEGO
wholesale to create the sets?

Anyone else confused?

Randy

In NEWS, Admin writes:
  After we posted a teaser about the AFOL Designer Program, we closely monitored the conversation surrounding it. It was fun to read what you all thought this program would be. So what is it exactly? In case you missed it, BrickLink and the LEGO Group are celebrating 60 years of the LEGO® brick with the AFOL community by realizing unique designs with truly original themes. Through this program, your design can become a limited edition 60 Years Anniversary set!

How does the AFOL Designer Program work?

The program will have three main phases:

1. Accepting entries - To give you some time to think about what you’d like to design, we will begin accepting entries on September 18th until November 18th. Your designs will not be displayed publicly during this time. The LEGO design team will review your submissions made with Studio 2.0, and up to 20 finalists will be selected.
2. Crowdfunding - Selected designs will be announced and displayed for crowdfunding beginning February 2019. You will be able to pre-order designs at this time.
3. Release - Successfully crowdfunded designs will become a limited edition 60 Years Anniversary set exclusively available on BrickLink. We will begin shipping orders April 2019.

Why should I submit my designs?

Besides being able to share your designs with the AFOL community, designs that are selected for realization will also be reviewed and produced as limited edition box sets. On top of that, BrickLink will pay 10% of total sales revenue to designers for all successfully crowdfunded AFOL designs including pre-order. You will retain full IP rights for non-selected designs, meaning you can freely use your original designs for any other purpose after the event.

Even if you aren’t a designer, we’d still love everyone to get involved! You can share your design ideas with the AFOL community in the Studio 2.0 forum.

Ready to get started?

The AFOL Designer Program requires that your designs are submitted with Studio 2.0, which has improved functionality and new features for this program (new features will be available Sep 18th). A building palette made specifically for the AFOL Designer Program will be included so that you are able to focus more on the design itself. Next, check if your design is stable with the all-new stability check because we want to fall for designs, not have them fall apart. Then you can export breathtaking images and even create building instructions for your designs!

Go here for more details about design requirements or FAQs, or go here to download or learn more about Studio 2.0.

We can’t wait to see what you come up with!


Thank you,

BrickLink Team
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In Announce, randyf writes:
  After reading all of this more than once, I still can't figure out how The
LEGO Group is involved in this process in any way. It sounds like BrickLink is
collecting the entries, BrickLink is going to raise money for the entries, and
then BrickLink is going to sell the entries. Exactly where is the collaboration?
Is the only collaboration that BrickLink will be purchasing bricks from LEGO
wholesale to create the sets?

Anyone else confused?

Randy


Nope, that makes at least two of us.
Secondly: why hasn't there been any official anouncement from Lego? Am I
the only one finding it weird only one of two partners in a PARTNERship announces
such a huge porject?


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The Lego team (?) reviews the sets.
There is the colab, and maybe BL is getting mentioned somewhere in some Lego
official documents?
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In Announce, randyf writes:
  After reading all of this more than once, I still can't figure out how The
LEGO Group is involved in this process in any way. It sounds like BrickLink is
collecting the entries, BrickLink is going to raise money for the entries, and
then BrickLink is going to sell the entries. Exactly where is the collaboration?
Is the only collaboration that BrickLink will be purchasing bricks from LEGO
wholesale to create the sets?

Anyone else confused?

An official LEGO Designer will be involved in the selection (before crowdfunding).

There’s also the list of usable parts (“palette”).

FAQ here: https://studio.bricklink.com/v2/build/afoldesigner.page
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In Announce, SylvainLS writes:
  In Announce, randyf writes:
  After reading all of this more than once, I still can't figure out how The
LEGO Group is involved in this process in any way. It sounds like BrickLink is
collecting the entries, BrickLink is going to raise money for the entries, and
then BrickLink is going to sell the entries. Exactly where is the collaboration?
Is the only collaboration that BrickLink will be purchasing bricks from LEGO
wholesale to create the sets?

Anyone else confused?

An official LEGO Designer will be involved in the selection (before crowdfunding).

It specifically states "...a celebrated LEGO designer with unique expertise and
a historical understanding of the LEGO system will supervise the evaluation process."

"Supervise"? Sounds like someone is going to remotely follow what BrickLink is
doing and not be involved directly.

That does not bring up images of "collaborating".

  There’s also the list of usable parts (“palette”).

Exactly. BrickLink wants to make sure that they can get all the parts they need
by buying directly from LEGO at prices that are probably cheaper than what any
of us can get. And obviously, they would only be able to get parts that LEGO
has already produced and have in stock. This process is not going to allow for
any recolors of elements or elements that are currently not in production.

Again, that doesn't sound like collaborating. That sounds like a consumer/vendor
relationship.

  FAQ here: https://studio.bricklink.com/v2/build/afoldesigner.page

After looking everything over, it is pretty readily apparent that this is MOC
Shop v2.0 with BrickLink becoming the sole provider of said MOCs. In other words,
BrickLink is going to compete against all of the other sellers on their own platform
for a chunk of everyone's disposable income, and also compete against LEGO
themselves in a since.

SMH,
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After looking everything over, it is pretty readily apparent that this is MOC
Shop v2.0 with BrickLink becoming the sole provider of said MOCs. In other words,
BrickLink is going to compete against all of the other sellers on their own platform
for a chunk of everyone's disposable income, and also compete against LEGO
themselves in a since.

No competition: the designer’s rights are signed over to TLG (another involvement)
for up to 3 years.
No sharing, distributing, selling, of the design (the instructions) from the
submission to the release (either not selected or end of contract with TLG).

There’s to be special boxes too, so I guess it’s again TLG who’ll take care of
that (they have the tools and the people).
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In Announce, SylvainLS writes:
  In Announce, randyf writes:
  […]
After looking everything over, it is pretty readily apparent that this is MOC
Shop v2.0 with BrickLink becoming the sole provider of said MOCs. In other words,
BrickLink is going to compete against all of the other sellers on their own platform
for a chunk of everyone's disposable income, and also compete against LEGO
themselves in a since.

No competition: the designer’s rights are signed over to TLG (another involvement)
for up to 3 years.
No sharing, distributing, selling, of the design (the instructions) from the
submission to the release (either not selected or end of contract with TLG).

Wow. What a collaboration!

  There’s to be special boxes too, so I guess it’s again TLG who’ll take care of
that (they have the tools and the people).

You are just assuming that LEGO is going to do boxes. We'll see about that.
It isn't hard to find someone to make boxes. This line is telling from the
FAQ: "Moreover, sets from the AFOL Designer Program are not official LEGO products
and will not share similar levels of distribution." My assumption is that means
*no* LEGO-produced boxes.

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  No competition: the designer’s rights are signed over to TLG (another involvement)
for up to 3 years.
No sharing, distributing, selling, of the design (the instructions) from the
submission to the release (either not selected or end of contract with TLG).

Wow. What a collaboration!

Yes, eh?


  
  There’s to be special boxes too, so I guess it’s again TLG who’ll take care of
that (they have the tools and the people).

You are just assuming that LEGO is going to do boxes.

Just “guessing,” or, actually, trying to find TLG under the rocks

   We'll see about that.
It isn't hard to find someone to make boxes. This line is telling from the
FAQ: "Moreover, sets from the AFOL Designer Program are not official LEGO products
and will not share similar levels of distribution." My assumption is that means
*no* LEGO-produced boxes.

Yes, and “BrickLink will produce instructions for the model and start packaging
sets for sale.”
So, no LEGO people involved in the design.
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Don't you mean "under the bricks"?
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  In Announce, SylvainLS writes:
  Just “guessing,” or, actually, trying to find TLG under the rocks

Don't you mean "under the bricks"?

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  After reading all of this more than once, I still can't figure out how The
LEGO Group is involved in this process in any way. It sounds like BrickLink is
collecting the entries, BrickLink is going to raise money for the entries, and
then BrickLink is going to sell the entries. Exactly where is the collaboration?
Is the only collaboration that BrickLink will be purchasing bricks from LEGO
wholesale to create the sets?

Anyone else confused?



  BrickLink will be purchasing bricks from LEGO
wholesale to create the sets

I think that's it. Maybe lego will produce boxes as well?
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Think I'm gonna skip this one



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Think I'm gonna skip this one



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Likewise, I didn't even get a full zipped .exe to download. I downloaded
the entire file but it's unusable. Oh Bricklink, there you go again!

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In Administrative, DagsBricks writes:
  In Administrative, Reki_Lobsheek writes:
  I tried to install Studio 2.0 ... my virus scanner warns me this is a potentially
unsafe program and I should not proceed with the installation at the risk of
damaging my PC ...

Think I'm gonna skip this one



Reki

Likewise, I didn't even get a full zipped .exe to download. I downloaded
the entire file but it's unusable. Oh Bricklink, there you go again!

False positive.

And as Russell just said ( https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1106368 ),
the final (i.e. non-Beta) version will come out the 18th and won’t trigger your
A-V.
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In Administrative, DagsBricks writes:
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  I tried to install Studio 2.0 ... my virus scanner warns me this is a potentially
unsafe program and I should not proceed with the installation at the risk of
damaging my PC ...

Think I'm gonna skip this one



Reki

Likewise, I didn't even get a full zipped .exe to download. I downloaded
the entire file but it's unusable. Oh Bricklink, there you go again!

Dag

I guess you downloaded a .pkg file (an installer for Mac.)
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  In Administrative, DagsBricks writes:
  In Administrative, Reki_Lobsheek writes:
  I tried to install Studio 2.0 ... my virus scanner warns me this is a potentially
unsafe program and I should not proceed with the installation at the risk of
damaging my PC ...

Think I'm gonna skip this one



Reki

Likewise, I didn't even get a full zipped .exe to download. I downloaded
the entire file but it's unusable. Oh Bricklink, there you go again!

Dag

I guess you downloaded a .pkg file (an installer for Mac.)

I checked to be sure but nope, I downloaded the Windows .exe from https://studio.bricklink.com/v2/build/studio.page.
Or maybe you're saying the Mac .pkg file got erroneously saved as an .exe
for everyone to download?

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  I guess you downloaded a .pkg file (an installer for Mac.)

I checked to be sure but nope, I downloaded the Windows .exe from https://studio.bricklink.com/v2/build/studio.page.
Or maybe you're saying the Mac .pkg file got erroneously saved as an .exe
for everyone to download?

Windows 64bits:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/blstudio/Studio2.0/Studio+2.0+beta.exe
is 154,205,527 Bytes = 148 MiB

Windows 32 bits
https://s3.amazonaws.com/blstudio/Studio2.0/Studio+2.0+beta_32.exe
is 149,256,439 Bytes = 143 MiB

Mac OSX:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/blstudio/Studio2.0/Studio+2.0+Beta.pkg
is 214,176,177 Bytes = 205 MiB

I can give you md5sum or sha1 for you to check the file integrity but there’s
no reason to think I’d be able to repeatedly download the files without problems
while you would not.

Your AV must be blocking its execution.
Just wait for the official release on the 18th, Russell said AV-related problems
would vanish then.

(By the way, isn’t everybody supposed to be using Windows Defender, and only
that, now?)
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In NEWS, Admin writes:
  After we posted a teaser about the AFOL Designer Program, we closely monitored the conversation surrounding it. It was fun to read what you all thought this program would be. So what is it exactly? In case you missed it, BrickLink and the LEGO Group are celebrating 60 years of the LEGO® brick with the AFOL community by realizing unique designs with truly original themes. Through this program, your design can become a limited edition 60 Years Anniversary set!

How does the AFOL Designer Program work?

The program will have three main phases:

1. Accepting entries - To give you some time to think about what you’d like to design, we will begin accepting entries on September 18th until November 18th. Your designs will not be displayed publicly during this time. The LEGO design team will review your submissions made with Studio 2.0, and up to 20 finalists will be selected.
2. Crowdfunding - Selected designs will be announced and displayed for crowdfunding beginning February 2019. You will be able to pre-order designs at this time.
3. Release - Successfully crowdfunded designs will become a limited edition 60 Years Anniversary set exclusively available on BrickLink. We will begin shipping orders April 2019.

Why should I submit my designs?

Besides being able to share your designs with the AFOL community, designs that are selected for realization will also be reviewed and produced as limited edition box sets. On top of that, BrickLink will pay 10% of total sales revenue to designers for all successfully crowdfunded AFOL designs including pre-order. You will retain full IP rights for non-selected designs, meaning you can freely use your original designs for any other purpose after the event.

Even if you aren’t a designer, we’d still love everyone to get involved! You can share your design ideas with the AFOL community in the Studio 2.0 forum.

Ready to get started?

The AFOL Designer Program requires that your designs are submitted with Studio 2.0, which has improved functionality and new features for this program (new features will be available Sep 18th). A building palette made specifically for the AFOL Designer Program will be included so that you are able to focus more on the design itself. Next, check if your design is stable with the all-new stability check because we want to fall for designs, not have them fall apart. Then you can export breathtaking images and even create building instructions for your designs!

Go here for more details about design requirements or FAQs, or go here to download or learn more about Studio 2.0.

We can’t wait to see what you come up with!


Thank you,

BrickLink Team

In NEWS, Admin writes:
  After we posted a teaser about the AFOL Designer Program, we closely monitored the conversation surrounding it. It was fun to read what you all thought this program would be. So what is it exactly? In case you missed it, BrickLink and the LEGO Group are celebrating 60 years of the LEGO® brick with the AFOL community by realizing unique designs with truly original themes. Through this program, your design can become a limited edition 60 Years Anniversary set!

How does the AFOL Designer Program work?

The program will have three main phases:

1. Accepting entries - To give you some time to think about what you’d like to design, we will begin accepting entries on September 18th until November 18th. Your designs will not be displayed publicly during this time. The LEGO design team will review your submissions made with Studio 2.0, and up to 20 finalists will be selected.
2. Crowdfunding - Selected designs will be announced and displayed for crowdfunding beginning February 2019. You will be able to pre-order designs at this time.
3. Release - Successfully crowdfunded designs will become a limited edition 60 Years Anniversary set exclusively available on BrickLink. We will begin shipping orders April 2019.

Why should I submit my designs?

Besides being able to share your designs with the AFOL community, designs that are selected for realization will also be reviewed and produced as limited edition box sets. On top of that, BrickLink will pay 10% of total sales revenue to designers for all successfully crowdfunded AFOL designs including pre-order. You will retain full IP rights for non-selected designs, meaning you can freely use your original designs for any other purpose after the event.

Even if you aren’t a designer, we’d still love everyone to get involved! You can share your design ideas with the AFOL community in the Studio 2.0 forum.

Ready to get started?

The AFOL Designer Program requires that your designs are submitted with Studio 2.0, which has improved functionality and new features for this program (new features will be available Sep 18th). A building palette made specifically for the AFOL Designer Program will be included so that you are able to focus more on the design itself. Next, check if your design is stable with the all-new stability check because we want to fall for designs, not have them fall apart. Then you can export breathtaking images and even create building instructions for your designs!

Go here for more details about design requirements or FAQs, or go here to download or learn more about Studio 2.0.

We can’t wait to see what you come up with!


Thank you,

BrickLink Team

Just a few links for convenience, because they are all missing if you read this
on the regular forum:

Main announcement:
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/community/newsview.page?msgid=1106293

which links to

Description of the AFOL Designer Program:
https://studio.bricklink.com/v2/build/afoldesigner.page
which includes the FAQ, and which has the actual AFOL Design Program Selection
Criteria in a separate stupid pop-up window.
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  Just a few links for convenience, because they are all missing if you read this
on the regular forum:

Main announcement:
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/community/newsview.page?msgid=1106293

which links to

Description of the AFOL Designer Program:
https://studio.bricklink.com/v2/build/afoldesigner.page
which includes the FAQ, and which has the actual AFOL Design Program Selection
Criteria in a separate stupid pop-up window.

And a link to a special section on the Studio Forum
http://forum.bricklink.com/viewforum.php?f=7&sid=d1480c4cc6f9130545c40f33abdad73a



I still don't understand why Studio needs a separate forum, but that forum
has a section to discuss this program now.
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I still don't understand why Studio needs a separate forum, but that forum
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Well, it started with Mosaick….

For a time, I thought it was to be a replacement for Ye Olde Forum (which would
maybe still be used for change requests).
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I still don't understand why Studio needs a separate forum, but that forum
has a section to discuss this program now.

Well, it started with Mosaick….

For a time, I thought it was to be a replacement for Ye Olde Forum (which would
maybe still be used for change requests).

I think Mosaick was a section on that forum like this one.
At that time it was very effective in keeping people away from commenting, even
the admins did not respond for a looooong time to the comments and suggestions
made there (but we did get an apology for that when they finally did respond,
and then they created a Mosaick section here but by then people had already given
up on Mosaick).
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Only 2k5 of each set. Ebay scalpers will be all over this. What's the point
? No normal people will get one without paying massively over the odds.
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  After we posted a teaser about the AFOL Designer Program, we closely monitored the conversation surrounding it. It was fun to read what you all thought this program would be. So what is it exactly? In case you missed it, BrickLink and the LEGO Group are celebrating 60 years of the LEGO® brick with the AFOL community by realizing unique designs with truly original themes. Through this program, your design can become a limited edition 60 Years Anniversary set!

How does the AFOL Designer Program work?

The program will have three main phases:

1. Accepting entries - To give you some time to think about what you’d like to design, we will begin accepting entries on September 18th until November 18th. Your designs will not be displayed publicly during this time. The LEGO design team will review your submissions made with Studio 2.0, and up to 20 finalists will be selected.
2. Crowdfunding - Selected designs will be announced and displayed for crowdfunding beginning February 2019. You will be able to pre-order designs at this time.
3. Release - Successfully crowdfunded designs will become a limited edition 60 Years Anniversary set exclusively available on BrickLink. We will begin shipping orders April 2019.

Why should I submit my designs?

Besides being able to share your designs with the AFOL community, designs that are selected for realization will also be reviewed and produced as limited edition box sets. On top of that, BrickLink will pay 10% of total sales revenue to designers for all successfully crowdfunded AFOL designs including pre-order. You will retain full IP rights for non-selected designs, meaning you can freely use your original designs for any other purpose after the event.

Even if you aren’t a designer, we’d still love everyone to get involved! You can share your design ideas with the AFOL community in the Studio 2.0 forum.

Ready to get started?

The AFOL Designer Program requires that your designs are submitted with Studio 2.0, which has improved functionality and new features for this program (new features will be available Sep 18th). A building palette made specifically for the AFOL Designer Program will be included so that you are able to focus more on the design itself. Next, check if your design is stable with the all-new stability check because we want to fall for designs, not have them fall apart. Then you can export breathtaking images and even create building instructions for your designs!

Go here for more details about design requirements or FAQs, or go here to download or learn more about Studio 2.0.

We can’t wait to see what you come up with!


Thank you,

BrickLink Team

I have mixed feelings about this...

It is uneasy to see BrickLink start producing and selling sets. Especially since
it is not clear how the collaboration with LEGO actually works beyond "supervision"
by a LEGO designer. There are also still some questions about the approval process
and the crowdfunding. The limited number of sets will mean that many with be
bought and quickly be available for - more expensive - resale.

That said, it will be interesting to see the designs that people come up with.
I know that there are several amazing designers here, and we have seen many new
users on teh forum in response to the teaser announcement. I hope many people
will have a lot of fun working on their submissions.

And who knows... I might even want to support and buy one of these sets...
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I have mixed feelings about this...


I have strong feelings about your inability to snip conversations.

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This is huge news.

Essentially, TLG approved BL for a commercial project and will allow BL to produce
sets for resale. This effectively makes BL an official 3rd party set maker. The
only people allowed to do this kind of thing before were LEGO Certified Professionals.

The main issue here is that due to prohibitive shipping costs, this set will
also pretty much only be affordable in the USA.
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In Announce, Sammael writes:
  This is huge news.

Essentially, TLG approved BL for a commercial project and will allow BL to produce
sets for resale. This effectively makes BL an official 3rd party set maker. The
only people allowed to do this kind of thing before were LEGO Certified Professionals.

The main issue here is that due to prohibitive shipping costs, this set will
also pretty much only be affordable in the USA.

Plus VAT for Europe. Shame they won't allow European sellers sell the sets
to other European buyers.
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In Announce, yorbrick writes:
  In Announce, Sammael writes:
  This is huge news.


  
  The main issue here is that due to prohibitive shipping costs, this set will
also pretty much only be affordable in the USA.

Plus VAT for Europe. Shame they won't allow European sellers sell the sets
to other European buyers.

Pfft, you have nothing. Try shipping to Australia! Our dollar is only ~0.71 $USD
and shipping costs are quite expensive, that I prefer to ship from Europe if
coming from O/S.
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So BL is releasing and selling up to 20 afol designed sets to celebrate the 60th
anniversary but they won't be available until after the 61st anniversary?
LOL. Only on BL.

MOC shop v2.0 "restricted seller version".
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In General, yorbrick writes:
  So BL is releasing and selling up to 20 afol designed sets to celebrate the 60th
anniversary but they won't be available until after the 61st anniversary?
LOL. Only on BL.

Well, I know of some people who celebrate their Queen’s birthday on several different
days, none the one on which she was born

  MOC shop v2.0 "restricted seller version".
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In General, SylvainLS writes:
  In General, yorbrick writes:
  So BL is releasing and selling up to 20 afol designed sets to celebrate the 60th
anniversary but they won't be available until after the 61st anniversary?
LOL. Only on BL.

Well, I know of some people who celebrate their Queen’s birthday on several different
days, none the one on which she was born


To make up for it, quite a few don't celebrate it at all.
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  We can’t wait to see what you come up with!


Thank you,

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Honestly looking forward to see how this plays out. I believe it is a fine idea
and I really hope BL can get some excellent designs in for this as I would love
to see some creators who have been snuffed on the IDEAs platform get a second
shake at it.

I'm not too keen on BL becoming the exclusive seller with no explanation
of how parts will be sourced, especially since TLG has identified resellers on
BL as the type of folks that need to be banned on their platform... There may
be some legal conflicts going on here. Where is Thor when you need him?
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In Announce, BigBBricks writes:
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Thank you,

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Honestly looking forward to see how this plays out. I believe it is a fine idea
and I really hope BL can get some excellent designs in for this as I would love
to see some creators who have been snuffed on the IDEAs platform get a second
shake at it.

Totally. A least Mechs and war type MOCs have a chance!
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In Announce, macr237 writes:
  In Announce, BigBBricks writes:
  In NEWS, Admin writes:

  We can’t wait to see what you come up with!


Thank you,

BrickLink Team

Honestly looking forward to see how this plays out. I believe it is a fine idea
and I really hope BL can get some excellent designs in for this as I would love
to see some creators who have been snuffed on the IDEAs platform get a second
shake at it.

Totally. A least Mechs and war type MOCs have a chance!


Per the list of restrictions, war-MOCs are not allowed.
 
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In Announce, DeLuca writes:
  In Announce, macr237 writes:
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  Honestly looking forward to see how this plays out. I believe it is a fine idea
and I really hope BL can get some excellent designs in for this as I would love
to see some creators who have been snuffed on the IDEAs platform get a second
shake at it.

Totally. A least Mechs and war type MOCs have a chance!


Per the list of restrictions, war-MOCs are not allowed.

Dang!
I missed that.
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The legal conditions of the contest say
"for winning models, designers must give the LEGO Group exclusive use of the
rights for the duration of the program plus up to 3 years."

, which means that it is the LEGO Group who will exert the exclusive use of the
rights for the selected sets.

However, the conditions also say that they will not be considered official LEGO
sets.

I am still confused.
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In Contests, robobeg writes:
  The legal conditions of the contest say
"for winning models, designers must give the LEGO Group exclusive use of the
rights for the duration of the program plus up to 3 years."

, which means that it is the LEGO Group who will exert the exclusive use of the
rights for the selected sets.

However, the conditions also say that they will not be considered official LEGO
sets.

I am still confused.

It is probably to stop the designer cashing in on their design outside of this
scheme.
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My question is:

If the kickstarted AFOL sets would be made with the 'Bricklink' brand,
not the official LEGO brand as many speculated here, then why will TLG, not bricklink,
possess the exclusive rights for the sets?
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In Contests, robobeg writes:
  My question is:

If the kickstarted AFOL sets would be made with the 'Bricklink' brand,
not the official LEGO brand as many speculated here, then why will TLG, not bricklink,
possess the exclusive rights for the sets?

1. Control
b. So they can elect to sell it as an official kit, if they want
iii. Money
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In Contests, macr237 writes:
  In Contests, robobeg writes:
  My question is:

If the kickstarted AFOL sets would be made with the 'Bricklink' brand,
not the official LEGO brand as many speculated here, then why will TLG, not bricklink,
possess the exclusive rights for the sets?

1. Control
b. So they can elect to sell it as an official kit, if they want
iii. Money

You've hit upon my question - what happens if Lego decides to sell your design
as an official kit? Do you get any money from those sales, like the 1% from Ideas?
The way it's currently worded, the answer is "no".
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In Contests, ProphessorX writes:
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You've hit upon my question - what happens if Lego decides to sell your design
as an official kit? Do you get any money from those sales, like the 1% from Ideas?
The way it's currently worded, the answer is "no".

No, the way it’s currently worded, the answer is “we don’t know.”

It just says you’ll yield (some of) your rights to TLG, it doesn’t say what is
exactly in the contract you’ll sign, if there’re provisions for future exploitation,
with royalties, etc.

Considering how shallowy TLG is involved, my guess is it’s just a “non-compete”
3-years period.

FWIW, you may also decide the contract is unacceptable when you read it. No
one will force you to sign it. And if you don’t sign, that just means you refuse
the prize. No distribution through BL or TLG, no one’ll steal your design, no
money either.

And if you sign and nothing is said about a wider distribution, through Ideas
or other official means, and if ever LEGO decides to make an official kit of
your design, you’ll be able to negociate and refuse or accept. At. That. Time.
Cross the bridge when you come to it.
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In Contests, SylvainLS writes:
  In Contests, ProphessorX writes:
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You've hit upon my question - what happens if Lego decides to sell your design
as an official kit? Do you get any money from those sales, like the 1% from Ideas?
The way it's currently worded, the answer is "no".

No, the way it’s currently worded, the answer is “we don’t know.”

It just says you’ll yield (some of) your rights to TLG, it doesn’t say what is
exactly in the contract you’ll sign, if there’re provisions for future exploitation,
with royalties, etc.

Considering how shallowy TLG is involved, my guess is it’s just a “non-compete”
3-years period.

FWIW, you may also decide the contract is unacceptable when you read it. No
one will force you to sign it. And if you don’t sign, that just means you refuse
the prize. No distribution through BL or TLG, no one’ll steal your design, no
money either.

And if you sign and nothing is said about a wider distribution, through Ideas
or other official means, and if ever LEGO decides to make an official kit of
your design, you’ll be able to negociate and refuse or accept. At. That. Time.
Cross the bridge when you come to it.

Good point, this is not the actual agreement, but rather an explanation of the
agreement.
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  The AFOL Designer Program requires that your designs are submitted with Studio 2.0, which has improved functionality and new features for this program (new features will be available Sep 18th). A building palette made specifically for the AFOL Designer Program will be included so that you are able to focus more on the design itself. Next, check if your design is stable with the all-new stability check because we want to fall for designs, not have them fall apart. Then you can export breathtaking images and even create building instructions for your designs!

Just a clarification about Studio - to upload a design for this program, you
must use Studio 2.0, but that version has not been released yet. The closest
thing is the Studio 2.0 Beta version, but that does not have the special contest
palette, etc. Also, since it is a Beta version you may get an untrusted software
warning when trying to download it.

Studio 2.0 (with all the new features) will be released on September 18th, the
same day the intake period for the AFOL Designer Program begins. For those who
have Studio 2.0 Beta installed, it will automatically upgrade when Studio 2.0
is released.

Since the smooth operation of Studio is critical to the success of the AFOL Designer
Program, we will make a special effort to scan our forums and other social media
for any reports of problems. We really believe in this new software and we hope
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  Just a clarification about Studio - to upload a design for this program, you
must use Studio 2.0, but that version has not been released yet.

A gem!!!! Brilliant move.
Let's start. O damn, we can't start because we can't start.... Where's
the end of this loop....?

More agony, arghhhhhh
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In Announce, Admin_Russell writes:
  Just a clarification about Studio - to upload a design for this program, you
must use Studio 2.0, but that version has not been released yet. The closest
thing is the Studio 2.0 Beta version, but that does not have the special contest
palette, etc.

That's kinda ridiculous and it also wasn't clear at all in the annoucement.
Why not just hold of on announcing the contest until the tool is actually ready?
I'm sure lots of people (including myself) have downloaded studio 2.0 beta
and where wondering where the palette was.

How limited will the pallette actually be? I sort of have an idea of "current"
elements, but I don't know if this includes for example elements from castle
or pirates.

I think you should at least consider clarifying the announcement as well.
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In NEWS, Admin writes:
   The LEGO design team will review your submissions made with Studio 2.0, and up to 20 finalists will be selected.

Thank you,

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Dang, no good for designers on Linux.
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In Announce, macr237 writes:
  In NEWS, Admin writes:
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Thank you,

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Dang, no good for designers on Linux.

Stud.io does work “fine” with Wine / PlayOnLinux.
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In Announce, SylvainLS writes:
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  In NEWS, Admin writes:
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Thank you,

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Dang, no good for designers on Linux.

Stud.io does work “fine” with Wine / PlayOnLinux.

Those italics probably says it all.
Never tried PlayOnLinux, but have never had much success with Wine, unless it
comes from the bottle. It also makes me feel "fine".

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In Announce, macr237 writes:
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  Stud.io does work “fine” with Wine / PlayOnLinux.

Those italics probably says it all.

Sorry, I’m never totally positive. Part of being French I guess

They are small “fear quotes,” here is why I used them:

1. Depending on your version of Wine, you might need to add a little option to
the program ( -force-d3d9 ).

2. On one installation, I noticed that, after rendering with Eyesight, it tried
to open the picture, and that didn’t work well (so it didn’t know the render
was finished, but the picture was in the temp directory, so not lost). Installing
LDD made the issue disappear. I think it was just a missing file association
in the default Wine install.

3. I don’t have Windows, so I don’t know if it works differently / more smoothly
there


  Never tried PlayOnLinux, but have never had much success with Wine, unless it
comes from the bottle. It also makes me feel "fine".

PlayOnLinux is just bottled Wine: it manages a Wine instance for each of your
applications, so that they won’t interfere with each others.
I confess I never used it but some people know it without knowing it’s Wine underneath,
so I generally name it alongside Wine.


On my systems I just did:
0. install Wine64,
1. download the 64bits Stud.io install exe,
2. start it with wine64,
3. change the menu entry to add “-force-d3d9”,
4. play.

I don’t use it much because it’s more power hungry than LDD (which is already
a bit greedy on my laptop).
Using it on a desktop is fine, even one without a fancy GPU.

I even think the (NVidia) GPU rendering should work through Wine.
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How will these sets be packaged? Will they be "LEGO" products with an assigned
set number and LEGO logos, or will the be "Bricklink" products?
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In LEGO, Jinasy writes:
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set number and LEGO logos, or will the be "Bricklink" products?

Jinasy,

Your answers are in the previous post and I think maybe in the FAQ.

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In NEWS, Admin writes:
  After we posted a teaser about the AFOL Designer Program, we closely monitored the conversation surrounding it. It was fun to read what you all thought this program would be. So what is it exactly? In case you missed it, BrickLink and the LEGO Group are celebrating 60 years of the LEGO® brick with the AFOL community by realizing unique designs with truly original themes. Through this program, your design can become a limited edition 60 Years Anniversary set!

How does the AFOL Designer Program work?

The program will have three main phases:

1. Accepting entries - To give you some time to think about what you’d like to design, we will begin accepting entries on September 18th until November 18th. Your designs will not be displayed publicly during this time. The LEGO design team will review your submissions made with Studio 2.0, and up to 20 finalists will be selected.
2. Crowdfunding - Selected designs will be announced and displayed for crowdfunding beginning February 2019. You will be able to pre-order designs at this time.
3. Release - Successfully crowdfunded designs will become a limited edition 60 Years Anniversary set exclusively available on BrickLink. We will begin shipping orders April 2019.

Why should I submit my designs?

Besides being able to share your designs with the AFOL community, designs that are selected for realization will also be reviewed and produced as limited edition box sets. On top of that, BrickLink will pay 10% of total sales revenue to designers for all successfully crowdfunded AFOL designs including pre-order. You will retain full IP rights for non-selected designs, meaning you can freely use your original designs for any other purpose after the event.

Even if you aren’t a designer, we’d still love everyone to get involved! You can share your design ideas with the AFOL community in the Studio 2.0 forum.

Ready to get started?

The AFOL Designer Program requires that your designs are submitted with Studio 2.0, which has improved functionality and new features for this program (new features will be available Sep 18th). A building palette made specifically for the AFOL Designer Program will be included so that you are able to focus more on the design itself. Next, check if your design is stable with the all-new stability check because we want to fall for designs, not have them fall apart. Then you can export breathtaking images and even create building instructions for your designs!

Go here for more details about design requirements or FAQs, or go here to download or learn more about Studio 2.0.

We can’t wait to see what you come up with!


Thank you,

BrickLink Team

"we have great news!"
All sellers: "...."
"we will become your competition by starting a shop on our own market place,
with products that you don't have access to, unless you buy them from that
shop!"

....


Say whaaaaaat


Well. I don't mean to be grumpy if this is a one time only occasion and it
really is something special and extraordinary. But I hope this is not a favour
that will be asked from sellers on a regular basis.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
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  "we have great news!"
All sellers: "...."
"we will become your competition by starting a shop on our own market place,
with products that you don't have access to, unless you buy them from that
shop!"


Regular sellers: you should invoice buyers in three days and you are not allowed
to do pre-sales.


BL seller: you can do pre-sales by calling it "crowd-funding" to make sure it
is worthwhile buying those parts and wait two months before having to ship the
items sold.
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In General, yorbrick writes:
  Regular sellers: you should invoice buyers in three days and you are not allowed
to do pre-sales.

BL seller: you can do pre-sales by calling it "crowd-funding" to make sure it
is worthwhile buying those parts and wait two months before having to ship the
items sold.

C'mon guys, pick your battles. Some things are legitimately worth getting
upset over. BrickArms was one of those things. A collaboration of any kind
with the LEGO Group is not.

Yes, BrickLink spends too much effort and money going off on tangents instead
of solidifying its core services. We all realize that (although, seemingly,
they do not). Nevertheless, the unrelenting stream of negativity in response
to nearly every announcement is disheartening.

Are we forum users really just a group of grumps who are stuck in a rut of permanent
unhappiness? It definitely seems that way sometimes.
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  C'mon guys, pick your battles. Some things are legitimately worth getting
upset over. BrickArms was one of those things. A collaboration of any kind
with the LEGO Group is not.

One person's trigger point means nothing to others. Personally, I don't
care that BL added some items that had been sold here for years as customs to
the catalogue in their own section.

Whereas BL selling items that will be in competition with other sellers'
items seems a bit off to me, especially when they could have used the MOC-shop
style route of allowing sellers with the right parts to sell the winning designs.
That would be good for both sellers and buyers. Sellers get more sales, buyers
get more opportunity and the price is open-market driven rather than company/closed-market
driven.
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In General, StormChaser writes:
  In General, yorbrick writes:
  Regular sellers: you should invoice buyers in three days and you are not allowed
to do pre-sales.

BL seller: you can do pre-sales by calling it "crowd-funding" to make sure it
is worthwhile buying those parts and wait two months before having to ship the
items sold.

C'mon guys, pick your battles. Some things are legitimately worth getting
upset over. BrickArms was one of those things. A collaboration of any kind
with the LEGO Group is not.

Yes, BrickLink spends too much effort and money going off on tangents instead
of solidifying its core services. We all realize that (although, seemingly,
they do not). Nevertheless, the unrelenting stream of negativity in response
to nearly every announcement is disheartening.

Are we forum users really just a group of grumps who are stuck in a rut of permanent
unhappiness? It definitely seems that way sometimes.

We want to comment on this but feel you will take it the wrong way. Horses for
courses - you were upset about Brickarms - we were as well but it didn't
really matter other than spoiling the catalogue with a lof of stuff. That, from
what we can tell is all that has happened with that. (Another flop, really and
no serious increase in business for either Bricklink or Brickarms) and certainly
nothing for the stores that aren't involved ((the majority of them))

This on the other hand, as others have rightly pointed out is a large step away
from the traditional Bricklink. Running a shop on your own marketplace doesn't
actually fill other stores with either enthusiasm or delight. It is miles off
the road from the intentions of this site and people wish to comment on that.
We believe it isn't going to effect us as we will not be involved in any
way as will be the case for the majority of the 11,000 active stores. So the
announcement is a non-announcement, really - just another way for Bricklink to
potentially increase their income, but as someone has already pointed out previous
attempts at this even when \Alice was leading the drive have proved unsuccessful.
Only time will tell what happens with this.

We would certainly like, as others, to see development time devoted to improving
the site for stores. There are so many gaping holes it is embarrassing. Just
the other day goatleg went down and you saw and commented on the situation. Within
hours a new version of goatleg was put out by another individual who was trying
to help out -they did that without access to the main code base and we presume
just used the api to interrogate the db using a query by form front page. I ask
you and so do others why this is not something that the site should have been
working on. If they do not understand the code get someone in who does. Get a
system analyst to review the application - get small and helpful additions done
(Better printing capabilities, dimensions added to the catalogue, , get major
features like inventory management on the road (Promised over 5 years ago - no
sign of yet), Get rid of his silly purge orders after 6 months - in today's
day and age disk space is not expensive. Put some resilience into the network
- put a software person on the helpdesk to work on bugs - away from the main
development team, get a proper helpdesk system in place with tickets and our
ability to see what is happening - and if there is a question of costs look at
the time spent so far by development on the projects/features that have been
produced so far and been unpopular (MP's Brickworld presentation and admin
comments post that).

So much needs ro be done and what we get are announcements which really aren't
announcements at all. People/members have a right to comment and challenge issues
like this - we are paying customers.

Would you rather have this or people just leave and move on. I know what I would
want if it were my site and lots of others feel the same way.
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In General, calsbricks writes:
  I ask you and so do others why this is not something that the site should have been
working on.

I agree with you that the site has had its priorities wrong (and seriously so)
for years. Although BrickLink clearly don't realize it, this lack of focus
on improving core services is almost certainly at the heart of the resentment
many members feel toward the site and why new ventures are met with such scorn.

I've just been trying to be more positive about BrickLink lately. I don't
think continual negativity will change much of anything - in fact, it will likely
make them retreat even further from listening to and caring about what members
actually want and need.

On that positive note: you may not have noticed, but we've made improvements
on all fronts to inventories this year. Forms are slightly less difficult to
understand and easier to use, rules are better defined, inventories for new sets
are happening quicker, longstanding inconsistencies are being resolved, redesigned
sets have been updated with inventory notes, older inventories are being filled
in, and a variety of errors in older inventories have been corrected.
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In General, StormChaser writes:
  On that positive note: you may not have noticed, but we've made improvements
on all fronts to inventories this year. Forms are slightly less difficult to
understand and easier to use, rules are better defined, inventories for new sets
are happening quicker, longstanding inconsistencies are being resolved, redesigned
sets have been updated with inventory notes, older inventories are being filled
in, and a variety of errors in older inventories have been corrected.

Ah you're right on these things. We sometimes forget to highlight them....
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In General, StormChaser writes:
  In General, calsbricks writes:
  I ask you and so do others why this is not something that the site should have been
working on.

I agree with you that the site has had its priorities wrong (and seriously so)
for years. Although BrickLink clearly don't realize it, this lack of focus
on improving core services is almost certainly at the heart of the resentment
many members feel toward the site and why new ventures are met with such scorn.

I've just been trying to be more positive about BrickLink lately. I don't
think continual negativity will change much of anything - in fact, it will likely
make them retreat even further from listening to and caring about what members
actually want and need.

On that positive note: you may not have noticed, but we've made improvements
on all fronts to inventories this year. Forms are slightly less difficult to
understand and easier to use, rules are better defined, inventories for new sets
are happening quicker, longstanding inconsistencies are being resolved, redesigned
sets have been updated with inventory notes, older inventories are being filled
in, and a variety of errors in older inventories have been corrected.

As for me, I agree with your general point, but I do think it's necessary
to be vocal about what happened here. You're right, not in a blaming or overly
negative way, but just to take not of the way it is:

My fee payments are being spent on something that does not benefit me and may
be competing with me.

Too bad, but it's OK if it's once. Maybe it will bring more people to
Bricklink, that would make up for it a little bit. Bricklink is a company that
is entitled to its own vision of how to pursue success, so this is not some kind
of scandal. But I do wish to express that I am a little bit disappointed - nothing
more or less. I think we should just take note of this reality, accept it, and
move on. I'm just bringing it up and stressing it as a precaution so that
we will not be sleeping through this if it would happen 5 times a year. Because
that's when we should be bringing these
 
Part No: 4496  Name: Minifig, Utensil Pitchfork Type 1 - Hard Plastic
* 
4496 Minifig, Utensil Pitchfork Type 1 - Hard Plastic
Parts: Minifig, Utensil

In case I too came off as grumpy and negative - yes, you can see it as a bit
exaggerated to respond to this announcement that way. But as I always say, I
am financially dependent on Bricklink and we have no trade union or any kind
of democracy, so "whining a bit on the forum" to me is kind of a formality
that is part of my contract with Bricklink, and it should not be taken negatively
on a personal or emotional level. You could even say it's a responsibility
towards other sellers to monitor where things are headed and be vocal about it.
I also do praise Bricklink whenever I see a positive action.

I think the crucial part here, and that's where I agree, is that nothing
should be meant in a negative way towards the Bricklink admins. There are those
who believe the admins are not doing enough or not doing the right things,
but the way I see it, someone hires people for specific goals and will assess
them based on their ability to tackle those goals. If they are not satisfied,
they will hire different people. I am not worried admins are just sitting back
and building MOCs while the money just pours in. They work as hard as we do,
it's not like Bricklink was just hijacked by a bunch of criminals and they're
laughing with their hands full of money and rocking the boat in all sorts of
directions.

Whenever I don't agree with something, it's not the admins but the management
choice that I don't agree with. Hire the right amout of people to clear the
helpdesk tickets and actually do something with suggestions, put the person with
the right talent on public relations and communication so they don't get
an emotional burnout or cause commnication issues, look after your sellers, prioritise
the right developments that will actually get sellers more orders, develop seller
tools, for bricks sake will you please add iDeal as a payment method!!! etc

I'm not upset about this initiative. I'm happy for the Bricklink guys
that they enjoy this so much, and for the builders who see this as a great opportunity
to share their designs and ideas. Hopefully, next time I will be invited for
the party.. (Hint: iDeal and seller tools )
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the other day goatleg went down and you saw and commented on the situation. Within
hours a new version of goatleg was put out by another individual who was trying
to help out -they did that without access to the main code base and we presume
just used the api to interrogate the db using a query by form front page.

FYI -

Goatleg and its love child don’t use the API - they simply build search URLs
from the criteria selected. In other words, all of the search logic is already
in the web site, it is just not easily accessible.

It would be fairly easy for BL to offer a similar “front end”.

Niek.
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In General, WoutR writes:
  In General, Teup writes:
  In NEWS, Admin writes:
  After we posted a teaser about the AFOL Designer Program, we closely monitored the conversation surrounding it. It was fun to read what you all thought this program would be. So what is it exactly? In case you missed it, BrickLink and the LEGO Group are celebrating 60 years of the LEGO® brick with the AFOL community by realizing unique designs with truly original themes. Through this program, your design can become a limited edition 60 Years Anniversary set!

How does the AFOL Designer Program work?

The program will have three main phases:

1. Accepting entries - To give you some time to think about what you’d like to design, we will begin accepting entries on September 18th until November 18th. Your designs will not be displayed publicly during this time. The LEGO design team will review your submissions made with Studio 2.0, and up to 20 finalists will be selected.
2. Crowdfunding - Selected designs will be announced and displayed for crowdfunding beginning February 2019. You will be able to pre-order designs at this time.
3. Release - Successfully crowdfunded designs will become a limited edition 60 Years Anniversary set exclusively available on BrickLink. We will begin shipping orders April 2019.

Why should I submit my designs?

Besides being able to share your designs with the AFOL community, designs that are selected for realization will also be reviewed and produced as limited edition box sets. On top of that, BrickLink will pay 10% of total sales revenue to designers for all successfully crowdfunded AFOL designs including pre-order. You will retain full IP rights for non-selected designs, meaning you can freely use your original designs for any other purpose after the event.

Even if you aren’t a designer, we’d still love everyone to get involved! You can share your design ideas with the AFOL community in the Studio 2.0 forum.

Ready to get started?

The AFOL Designer Program requires that your designs are submitted with Studio 2.0, which has improved functionality and new features for this program (new features will be available Sep 18th). A building palette made specifically for the AFOL Designer Program will be included so that you are able to focus more on the design itself. Next, check if your design is stable with the all-new stability check because we want to fall for designs, not have them fall apart. Then you can export breathtaking images and even create building instructions for your designs!

Go here for more details about design requirements or FAQs, or go here to download or learn more about Studio 2.0.

We can’t wait to see what you come up with!


Thank you,

BrickLink Team

"we have great news!"
All sellers: "...."
"we will become your competition by starting a shop on our own market place,
with products that you don't have access to, unless you buy them from that
shop!"

....


Say whaaaaaat


Well. I don't mean to be grumpy if this is a one time only occasion and it
really is something special and extraordinary. But I hope this is not a favour
that will be asked from sellers on a regular basis.


The store is already selling. It has genuine LEGO (a very small amount, but in
direct competition with the regular stores) and some BrickLink merchandise. Sadly,
I guess it does not make sense any longer to report stores who are selling items
that are not LEGO products
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  The store is already selling. It has genuine LEGO (a very small amount, but in
direct competition with the regular stores) and some BrickLink merchandise. Sadly,
I guess it does not make sense any longer to report stores who are selling items
that are not LEGO products

Dunno. Have you tried reporting them?

Niek.
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In General, qwertyboy writes:
  In General, WoutR writes:
  The store is already selling. It has genuine LEGO (a very small amount, but in
direct competition with the regular stores) and some BrickLink merchandise. Sadly,
I guess it does not make sense any longer to report stores who are selling items
that are not LEGO products

Dunno. Have you tried reporting them?

WoutR: Hey right hand, look what the left hand is doing!
BL: We only have one hand.
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In General, SylvainLS writes:
  In General, qwertyboy writes:
  In General, WoutR writes:
  The store is already selling. It has genuine LEGO (a very small amount, but in
direct competition with the regular stores) and some BrickLink merchandise. Sadly,
I guess it does not make sense any longer to report stores who are selling items
that are not LEGO products

Dunno. Have you tried reporting them?

WoutR: Hey right hand, look what the left hand is doing!
BL: We only have one hand.

I genuinely laughed out loud at this.

Then I was sad.
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  WoutR: Hey right hand, look what the left hand is doing!
BL: We only have one hand.

I genuinely laughed out loud at this.

Then I was sad.

Too late but I think it would have been better thusly: “Talk to our only hand.”
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In General, qwertyboy writes:
  In General, WoutR writes:
  The store is already selling. It has genuine LEGO (a very small amount, but in
direct competition with the regular stores) and some BrickLink merchandise. Sadly,
I guess it does not make sense any longer to report stores who are selling items
that are not LEGO products

Dunno. Have you tried reporting them?

Niek.

No, I did not.
I think that they have made their choice. I can have my own opinion, but reporting
seems to be a waste of everyone's time.
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No, I did not.
I think that they have made their choice. I can have my own opinion, but reporting
seems to be a waste of everyone's time.

Stick to (y)our own principles: report anything that is against TOS.
If you don't, you're moving down the scale of merit....
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In General, StarBrick writes:
  
  
No, I did not.
I think that they have made their choice. I can have my own opinion, but reporting
seems to be a waste of everyone's time.

Stick to (y)our own principles: report anything that is against TOS.
If you don't, you're moving down the scale of merit....

I'm not as much bothered by them selling non Lego things than the fact that
they spend the money I pay them to start competing with me. The part that it
was announced in a way that heavily leaned on us having to be enthusiastic, and
waiting for some time to get our reactions before coming forward with the actual
announcement, feels like utter mockery of sellers. I can take a joke, and I think
they are allowed to do what they do, but it doesn't change the fact that
I am seriously offended by that behaviour. So post the link to the store and
I'll report them too, just for the statement.
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In General, Teup writes:
  In General, StarBrick writes:
  
  
No, I did not.
I think that they have made their choice. I can have my own opinion, but reporting
seems to be a waste of everyone's time.

Stick to (y)our own principles: report anything that is against TOS.
If you don't, you're moving down the scale of merit....

I'm not as much bothered by them selling non Lego things than the fact that
they spend the money I pay them to start competing with me. The part that it
was announced in a way that heavily leaned on us having to be enthusiastic, and
waiting for some time to get our reactions before coming forward with the actual
announcement, feels like utter mockery of sellers. I can take a joke, and I think
they are allowed to do what they do, but it doesn't change the fact that
I am seriously offended by that behaviour. So post the link to the store and
I'll report them too, just for the statement.

The shop name is:

Studio Shop
The BrickLink Corporation's Official Shop
By BrickLinkCorp (2) in California, USA

https://store.bricklink.com/BrickLinkCorp
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In General, WoutR writes:
  In General, Teup writes:
  In General, StarBrick writes:
  
  
No, I did not.
I think that they have made their choice. I can have my own opinion, but reporting
seems to be a waste of everyone's time.

Stick to (y)our own principles: report anything that is against TOS.
If you don't, you're moving down the scale of merit....

I'm not as much bothered by them selling non Lego things than the fact that
they spend the money I pay them to start competing with me. The part that it
was announced in a way that heavily leaned on us having to be enthusiastic, and
waiting for some time to get our reactions before coming forward with the actual
announcement, feels like utter mockery of sellers. I can take a joke, and I think
they are allowed to do what they do, but it doesn't change the fact that
I am seriously offended by that behaviour. So post the link to the store and
I'll report them too, just for the statement.

The shop name is:

Studio Shop
The BrickLink Corporation's Official Shop
By BrickLinkCorp (2) in California, USA

https://store.bricklink.com/BrickLinkCorp

Reported all of their non-LEGO items.

If no action is taken or they expand their inventory of non-LEGO items, I guess
that means we can sell anything we want on here so long as it has a Bricklink
logo on it. I have an old Honda Civic that I might be looking to sell soon, so
maybe I'll buy one of their stickers and slap it on the bumper. Presto, ToS
compliant!
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In General, Etown writes:

  Reported all of their non-LEGO items.

If no action is taken or they expand their inventory of non-LEGO items, I guess
that means we can sell anything we want on here so long as it has a Bricklink
logo on it. I have an old Honda Civic that I might be looking to sell soon, so
maybe I'll buy one of their stickers and slap it on the bumper. Presto, ToS
compliant!

You are getting listing policy confused with catalog policy. Quoted directly
from the site's listing policy:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=103&viewType=

LEGO Products Only - All items listed for sale on this site must be the LEGO
product or have something to do with it. Other brand products such as MegaBloks
are not allowed on this site. For custom items without original LEGO content,
the item's primary purpose must be to be used with LEGO or to supplement
a Lego collection.


There is a provision for non-LEGO items. They have to be related to LEGO Collecting
or Building with LEGO. Magazines like Brick Journal, third-party books on building
techniques, and many other LEGO-related items can be sold on BrickLink. The only
stipulation is that they can't have entries in the catalog.

Sets from the AFOL Designer Program fall into the same category. They are not
official LEGO products, but will be branded with the BrickLink logo instead.
They will be listed as custom items in our own store.

If we produce an official BrickLink color chart or a book on BrickLink history,
it will be sold in our store in the same fashion. The merch that is in there
now is BrickLink related and therefore related to the hobby.

The reason we started listing merch is we had many requests for these items at
conventions, but conventions only represent a small fraction of our userbase.
So this is a way to extend our influence among our own community. People are
happy to pay for it, and it's great advertising for our company. And because
we charge for it, we don't have to use seller fees to cover the expenses.
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In General, Admin_Russell writes:
  In General, Etown writes:

  Reported all of their non-LEGO items.

If no action is taken or they expand their inventory of non-LEGO items, I guess
that means we can sell anything we want on here so long as it has a Bricklink
logo on it. I have an old Honda Civic that I might be looking to sell soon, so
maybe I'll buy one of their stickers and slap it on the bumper. Presto, ToS
compliant!

You are getting listing policy confused with catalog policy. Quoted directly
from the site's listing policy:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=103&viewType=

LEGO Products Only - All items listed for sale on this site must be the LEGO
product or have something to do with it. Other brand products such as MegaBloks
are not allowed on this site. For custom items without original LEGO content,
the item's primary purpose must be to be used with LEGO or to supplement
a Lego collection.


Any clone can claim to "have something to do with LEGO". These related products
do not even have to be LEGO compatible.

  There is a provision for non-LEGO items. They have to be related to LEGO Collecting
or Building with LEGO. Magazines like Brick Journal, third-party books on building
techniques, and many other LEGO-related items can be sold on BrickLink. The only
stipulation is that they can't have entries in the catalog.

Sets from the AFOL Designer Program fall into the same category. They are not
official LEGO products, but will be branded with the BrickLink logo instead.
They will be listed as custom items in our own store.

If we produce an official BrickLink color chart or a book on BrickLink history,
it will be sold in our store in the same fashion. The merch that is in there
now is BrickLink related and therefore related to the hobby.

The reason we started listing merch is we had many requests for these items at
conventions, but conventions only represent a small fraction of our userbase.
So this is a way to extend our influence among our own community. People are
happy to pay for it, and it's great advertising for our company. And because
we charge for it, we don't have to use seller fees to cover the expenses.
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In General, WoutR writes:
  In General, Admin_Russell writes:
  In General, Etown writes:

  Reported all of their non-LEGO items.

If no action is taken or they expand their inventory of non-LEGO items, I guess
that means we can sell anything we want on here so long as it has a Bricklink
logo on it. I have an old Honda Civic that I might be looking to sell soon, so
maybe I'll buy one of their stickers and slap it on the bumper. Presto, ToS
compliant!

You are getting listing policy confused with catalog policy. Quoted directly
from the site's listing policy:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=103&viewType=

LEGO Products Only - All items listed for sale on this site must be the LEGO
product or have something to do with it. Other brand products such as MegaBloks
are not allowed on this site. For custom items without original LEGO content,
the item's primary purpose must be to be used with LEGO or to supplement
a Lego collection.


Any clone can claim to "have something to do with LEGO". These related products
do not even have to be LEGO compatible.

No, that falls under "other brand products". Selling a stress-relieving squishy
brick with a BrickLink logo is not the same as selling 1 x 4 brick with the Mega
Brands logo. The first is a novelty item, the other is an off-brand substitute
for the site's core product.
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In General, Admin_Russell writes:
  […]
No, that falls under "other brand products". Selling a stress-relieving squishy
brick with a BrickLink logo is not the same as selling 1 x 4 brick with the Mega
Brands logo. The first is a novelty item, the other is an off-brand substitute
for the site's core product.

Can I sell my old table? I built official sets on it.

Seriously, the rules seem rather fuzzy and, at best, ad hoc.
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I do not have a strong opinion on the TOS, so just regarding to compliance:

Russell I agree that a squishy brick is OK, that is related to Lego as it is
stated in the TOS, and it is not a clone item.
But for the Bricklink stickers, I cannot say the same. These stickers have absolutely
no relevance or relationship with Lego. The only way these stickers are related
to Lego is through the fact that Bricklink happens to be a marketplace
for Lego - so rather than being related to Lego, it is related to something that
is related to Lego. This is in violation of your TOS. Anything that hinges purely
on being merchandise for Bricklink, is a violation. They can be cool items and
in better days I would consider getting some myself, but on a separate platform.
Anything that is actually related to Lego is OK, such as this squishy brick or
the brick storage bin, etc.


In General, Admin_Russell writes:
  In General, WoutR writes:
  In General, Admin_Russell writes:
  In General, Etown writes:

  Reported all of their non-LEGO items.

If no action is taken or they expand their inventory of non-LEGO items, I guess
that means we can sell anything we want on here so long as it has a Bricklink
logo on it. I have an old Honda Civic that I might be looking to sell soon, so
maybe I'll buy one of their stickers and slap it on the bumper. Presto, ToS
compliant!

You are getting listing policy confused with catalog policy. Quoted directly
from the site's listing policy:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=103&viewType=

LEGO Products Only - All items listed for sale on this site must be the LEGO
product or have something to do with it. Other brand products such as MegaBloks
are not allowed on this site. For custom items without original LEGO content,
the item's primary purpose must be to be used with LEGO or to supplement
a Lego collection.


Any clone can claim to "have something to do with LEGO". These related products
do not even have to be LEGO compatible.

No, that falls under "other brand products". Selling a stress-relieving squishy
brick with a BrickLink logo is not the same as selling 1 x 4 brick with the Mega
Brands logo. The first is a novelty item, the other is an off-brand substitute
for the site's core product.
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In General, Teup writes:
  I do not have a strong opinion on the TOS, so just regarding to compliance:

Russell I agree that a squishy brick is OK, that is related to Lego as it is
stated in the TOS, and it is not a clone item.
But for the Bricklink stickers, I cannot say the same. These stickers have absolutely
no relevance or relationship with Lego. The only way these stickers are related
to Lego is through the fact that Bricklink happens to be a marketplace
for Lego - so rather than being related to Lego, it is related to something that
is related to Lego. This is in violation of your TOS. Anything that hinges purely
on being merchandise for Bricklink, is a violation. They can be cool items and
in better days I would consider getting some myself, but on a separate platform.
Anything that is actually related to Lego is OK, such as this squishy brick or
the brick storage bin, etc.


In General, Admin_Russell writes:
  In General, WoutR writes:
  In General, Admin_Russell writes:
  In General, Etown writes:

  Reported all of their non-LEGO items.

If no action is taken or they expand their inventory of non-LEGO items, I guess
that means we can sell anything we want on here so long as it has a Bricklink
logo on it. I have an old Honda Civic that I might be looking to sell soon, so
maybe I'll buy one of their stickers and slap it on the bumper. Presto, ToS
compliant!

You are getting listing policy confused with catalog policy. Quoted directly
from the site's listing policy:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=103&viewType=

LEGO Products Only - All items listed for sale on this site must be the LEGO
product or have something to do with it. Other brand products such as MegaBloks
are not allowed on this site. For custom items without original LEGO content,
the item's primary purpose must be to be used with LEGO or to supplement
a Lego collection.


Any clone can claim to "have something to do with LEGO". These related products
do not even have to be LEGO compatible.

No, that falls under "other brand products". Selling a stress-relieving squishy
brick with a BrickLink logo is not the same as selling 1 x 4 brick with the Mega
Brands logo. The first is a novelty item, the other is an off-brand substitute
for the site's core product.

I'm actually OK with the promotional items, however I think on principle
their store should be limited to ONLY promotional items. Not sure how this AFOL
challenge thing fits into that, but its still an item that no one else is going
to be able to sell (at least at first ??).

I agree with most others in this thread, there are so many other issues with
the Bricklink platform that it is a head scratcher as to why they keep developing
these other projects, often with mixed results. However, I have also been critical
of Bricklink's lack of promotion so a store dedicated to selling items that
promote the brand aren't a bad thing in my view. Take their Facebook page.
An e-commerce site that has 5 FB posts in the past three months seems a little
off. Whether paid or unpaid, there are so many options for them to get their
name out there to a lot of new people on the FB platform.

So self promotion is good for all of us. But this store must NOT in any way even
appear to be competing with those stores that provides Bricklink with its revenue.

Ron
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It's fairly standard for companies to offer branded merchandise on their
own websites. Clearly these items are not going to be in competition with anyone
else offering the same things. I would imagine that objections to BrickLink
offering their own branded merchandise in their own store stem from longstanding
hostility towards BrickLink rather than any genuine dissatisfaction towards this
practice.

Nevertheless, to be fair, I suppose this would open the door to other sellers
on BrickLink also offering their own branded merchandise for their stores. I
have gotten various things of this sort for free occasionally in BrickLink orders
(things like magnets with store logos on them). A simple fix would be a TOS
update to address the issue.

The issue of BrickLink individually selling actual LEGO parts and official LEGO
sets is different, however, and I can see this being a legitimate complaint.
Nevertheless, the founder of the site had his own BrickLink store here before
anyone else did, so it's not like this is anything new.
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In General, StormChaser writes:
  It's fairly standard for companies to offer branded merchandise on their
own websites. Clearly these items are not going to be in competition with anyone
else offering the same things. I would imagine that objections to BrickLink
offering their own branded merchandise in their own store stem from longstanding
hostility towards BrickLink rather than any genuine dissatisfaction towards this
practice.

I think it is wrong to dismiss all criticism as hostility.

  Nevertheless, to be fair, I suppose this would open the door to other sellers
on BrickLink also offering their own branded merchandise for their stores. I
have gotten various things of this sort for free occasionally in BrickLink orders
(things like magnets with store logos on them). A simple fix would be a TOS
update to address the issue.

The issue of BrickLink individually selling actual LEGO parts and official LEGO
sets is different, however, and I can see this being a legitimate complaint.
Nevertheless, the founder of the site had his own BrickLink store here before
anyone else did, so it's not like this is anything new.
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In General, WoutR writes:
  I think it is wrong to dismiss all criticism as hostility.

I don't dismiss all criticism. I have simply noticed that there are certain
members who are unhappy here on BrickLink and their response to anything BrickLink
does is to criticize. I doubt some of them even realize this. That doesn't
negate the points they make, but hints at deeper causes than whatever happens
to be the current issue.

I believe the two deepest causes of member unhappiness are BrickLink's lack
of focus on its core product and a serious, longstanding inability to communicate
well. In the communications department, at least, BL has been improving.
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In General, StormChaser writes:
  In General, WoutR writes:
  I think it is wrong to dismiss all criticism as hostility.

I don't dismiss all criticism. I have simply noticed that there are certain
members who are unhappy here on BrickLink and their response to anything BrickLink
does is to criticize. I doubt some of them even realize this. That doesn't
negate the points they make, but hints at deeper causes than whatever happens
to be the current issue.

I believe the two deepest causes of member unhappiness are BrickLink's lack
of focus on its core product and a serious, longstanding inability to communicate
well. In the communications department, at least, BL has been improving.

+1
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In General, Admin_Russell writes:
  The reason we started listing merch is we had many requests for these items at
conventions, but conventions only represent a small fraction of our userbase.
So this is a way to extend our influence among our own community. People are
happy to pay for it, and it's great advertising for our company. And because
we charge for it, we don't have to use seller fees to cover the expenses.

Russell, you may be completely right at this explaining all fits inside the terms
of service here. I trust you are.

But it doesn't address the hardship some members (I find me among them) feel
about this new venture while many functionality improvements (feel) are still
waiting to see the daylight on the site. Maybe we are getting grumpy old men,
but we sincerely have our doubts here. There's not any effort visibly taken
to help us change our views. I would like to change my view, but I need some
input from the BL side on this venture. Tell us how we can see this as positive
venture that also helps us as sellers to benefit. It's a sincere question.
Really.

StarBrick
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In General, StarBrick writes:
  In General, Admin_Russell writes:
  The reason we started listing merch is we had many requests for these items at
conventions, but conventions only represent a small fraction of our userbase.
So this is a way to extend our influence among our own community. People are
happy to pay for it, and it's great advertising for our company. And because
we charge for it, we don't have to use seller fees to cover the expenses.

Russell, you may be completely right at this explaining all fits inside the terms
of service here. I trust you are.

But it doesn't address the hardship some members (I find me among them) feel
about this new venture while many functionality improvements (feel) are still
waiting to see the daylight on the site. Maybe we are getting grumpy old men,
but we sincerely have our doubts here. There's not any effort visibly taken
to help us change our views. I would like to change my view, but I need some
input from the BL side on this venture. Tell us how we can see this as positive
venture that also helps us as sellers to benefit. It's a sincere question.
Really.

StarBrick

This.
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In General, Teup writes:
  In General, StarBrick writes:
  
  
No, I did not.
I think that they have made their choice. I can have my own opinion, but reporting
seems to be a waste of everyone's time.

Stick to (y)our own principles: report anything that is against TOS.
If you don't, you're moving down the scale of merit....

I'm not as much bothered by them selling non Lego things than the fact that
they spend the money I pay them to start competing with me.

I am exactly the other way around. BL selling regular items is fine (as long
as they don’t take an unfair advantage). Selling non-Lego items however is swuarely
against their own ToS.

It reminds me of something a while ago. I was driving on a main road in Calgary,
and a cop car was waiting to merge onto the road from a coffee shop parking lot.
I slowed down to let them go ahead. I then saw 2 officers in the car, with the
driver on his cell phone. I honked and made the phone-on-my-ear gesture. I was
pulled over, and got a lecture about what if they just received an emergency
call that my wife was in an accident. I explained:
- It is not allowed to be on your phone while driving;
- He could have taken the call while still in the parking lot;
- He could have handed the phone to his colleague;
- He could have used a hands-free device (which I know Cgy cops have).
With some mumbling from the cop I was sent on my way.

It is just another example of “we set the rules, but because we enforce the rules,
they don’t apply to us”. BL could offer their merchandise on a different web
site.

Niek.
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In General, qwertyboy writes:
  It reminds me of something a while ago. I was driving on a main road in Calgary,
and a cop car was waiting to merge onto the road from a coffee shop parking lot.
I slowed down to let them go ahead. I then saw 2 officers in the car, with the
driver on his cell phone. I honked and made the phone-on-my-ear gesture. I was
pulled over, and got a lecture about what if they just received an emergency
call that my wife was in an accident. I explained:
- It is not allowed to be on your phone while driving;
- He could have taken the call while still in the parking lot;
- He could have handed the phone to his colleague;
- He could have used a hands-free device (which I know Cgy cops have).
With some mumbling from the cop I was sent on my way.


A word of advice: Never try this in the United States - Police
tend to be far less amiable here!
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In General, DeLuca writes:
  In General, qwertyboy writes:
  It reminds me of something a while ago. I was driving on a main road in Calgary,
and a cop car was waiting to merge onto the road from a coffee shop parking lot.
I slowed down to let them go ahead. I then saw 2 officers in the car, with the
driver on his cell phone. I honked and made the phone-on-my-ear gesture. I was
pulled over, and got a lecture about what if they just received an emergency
call that my wife was in an accident. I explained:
- It is not allowed to be on your phone while driving;
- He could have taken the call while still in the parking lot;
- He could have handed the phone to his colleague;
- He could have used a hands-free device (which I know Cgy cops have).
With some mumbling from the cop I was sent on my way.


A word of advice: Never try this in the United States - Police
tend to be far less amiable here!

Yup, I know that (I have seen my fair share of “we are the law and you will listen”
in person in the US - mostly from tagging along with a former boss of mine who
had a _real_ issue with cops being overlords, and at one point he was thrown
in jail for 3 days), but it doesn’t change the point I’m trying to make - it
would suit BL to act by example when they operate a shop. Abide by your own rules.
This is sad.

Niek.
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In General, qwertyboy writes:
  In General, DeLuca writes:
  In General, qwertyboy writes:
  It reminds me of something a while ago. I was driving on a main road in Calgary,
and a cop car was waiting to merge onto the road from a coffee shop parking lot.
I slowed down to let them go ahead. I then saw 2 officers in the car, with the
driver on his cell phone. I honked and made the phone-on-my-ear gesture. I was
pulled over, and got a lecture about what if they just received an emergency
call that my wife was in an accident. I explained:
- It is not allowed to be on your phone while driving;
- He could have taken the call while still in the parking lot;
- He could have handed the phone to his colleague;
- He could have used a hands-free device (which I know Cgy cops have).
With some mumbling from the cop I was sent on my way.


A word of advice: Never try this in the United States - Police
tend to be far less amiable here!


. . . but it doesn’t change the point I’m trying to make


I was not addressing your point - just warning non-U.S. members that the police
here may not be like they are in their home-countries!
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In General, qwertyboy writes:
  In General, Teup writes:
  In General, StarBrick writes:
  
  
No, I did not.
I think that they have made their choice. I can have my own opinion, but reporting
seems to be a waste of everyone's time.

Stick to (y)our own principles: report anything that is against TOS.
If you don't, you're moving down the scale of merit....

I'm not as much bothered by them selling non Lego things than the fact that
they spend the money I pay them to start competing with me.

I am exactly the other way around. BL selling regular items is fine (as long
as they don’t take an unfair advantage).

They would pay any selling fees to themselves. That gives them an advantage.
For the sets that will be made as a result of the competition that is not a problem
because they will not be competing with other sellers. For regular parts and
sets they will be competing, and they will have a price advantage.

  Selling non-Lego items however is swuarely
against their own ToS.

It reminds me of something a while ago. I was driving on a main road in Calgary,
and a cop car was waiting to merge onto the road from a coffee shop parking lot.
I slowed down to let them go ahead. I then saw 2 officers in the car, with the
driver on his cell phone. I honked and made the phone-on-my-ear gesture. I was
pulled over, and got a lecture about what if they just received an emergency
call that my wife was in an accident. I explained:
- It is not allowed to be on your phone while driving;
- He could have taken the call while still in the parking lot;
- He could have handed the phone to his colleague;
- He could have used a hands-free device (which I know Cgy cops have).
With some mumbling from the cop I was sent on my way.

It is just another example of “we set the rules, but because we enforce the rules,
they don’t apply to us”. BL could offer their merchandise on a different web
site.

Niek.
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I agree that this gives anyone in this position an unfair advantage with regards
lego products, no fees means lower selling price.
Badly thought out or not, it doesn't look good.

I don't think it's worth spending any time over, there is an expression
about doing something into the wind.






In General, WoutR writes:
  In General, qwertyboy writes:
  In General, Teup writes:
  In General, StarBrick writes:
  
  
No, I did not.
I think that they have made their choice. I can have my own opinion, but reporting
seems to be a waste of everyone's time.

Stick to (y)our own principles: report anything that is against TOS.
If you don't, you're moving down the scale of merit....

I'm not as much bothered by them selling non Lego things than the fact that
they spend the money I pay them to start competing with me.

I am exactly the other way around. BL selling regular items is fine (as long
as they don’t take an unfair advantage).

They would pay any selling fees to themselves. That gives them an advantage.
For the sets that will be made as a result of the competition that is not a problem
because they will not be competing with other sellers. For regular parts and
sets they will be competing, and they will have a price advantage.

  Selling non-Lego items however is swuarely
against their own ToS.

It reminds me of something a while ago. I was driving on a main road in Calgary,
and a cop car was waiting to merge onto the road from a coffee shop parking lot.
I slowed down to let them go ahead. I then saw 2 officers in the car, with the
driver on his cell phone. I honked and made the phone-on-my-ear gesture. I was
pulled over, and got a lecture about what if they just received an emergency
call that my wife was in an accident. I explained:
- It is not allowed to be on your phone while driving;
- He could have taken the call while still in the parking lot;
- He could have handed the phone to his colleague;
- He could have used a hands-free device (which I know Cgy cops have).
With some mumbling from the cop I was sent on my way.

It is just another example of “we set the rules, but because we enforce the rules,
they don’t apply to us”. BL could offer their merchandise on a different web
site.

Niek.
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In General, qwertyboy writes:
  In General, Teup writes:
  In General, StarBrick writes:
  
  
No, I did not.
I think that they have made their choice. I can have my own opinion, but reporting
seems to be a waste of everyone's time.

Stick to (y)our own principles: report anything that is against TOS.
If you don't, you're moving down the scale of merit....

I'm not as much bothered by them selling non Lego things than the fact that
they spend the money I pay them to start competing with me.

I am exactly the other way around. BL selling regular items is fine (as long
as they don’t take an unfair advantage). Selling non-Lego items however is swuarely
against their own ToS.

It reminds me of something a while ago. I was driving on a main road in Calgary,
and a cop car was waiting to merge onto the road from a coffee shop parking lot.
I slowed down to let them go ahead. I then saw 2 officers in the car, with the
driver on his cell phone. I honked and made the phone-on-my-ear gesture. I was
pulled over, and got a lecture about what if they just received an emergency
call that my wife was in an accident. I explained:
- It is not allowed to be on your phone while driving;
- He could have taken the call while still in the parking lot;
- He could have handed the phone to his colleague;
- He could have used a hands-free device (which I know Cgy cops have).
With some mumbling from the cop I was sent on my way.

It is just another example of “we set the rules, but because we enforce the rules,
they don’t apply to us”. BL could offer their merchandise on a different web
site.

Niek.

I see now they are selling a few (utterly random) parts. While it's nothing
nearly significant, it is just so wrong to me on principle. As WoutR said they
do not pay fees so it is unfair competition, but moreover: by us paying fees,
we enable their existence, we enable the development of this project of theirs.
Part of the money we pay for maintainance, development and customer service is
used for making a project that results in a store that is able to feature exclusive
items that no other store can have. If they would limit their selling purely
to unique items, they are not grieving any sellers, as there would be no overlap.
But if they are selling regular parts that I also may be selling combined
with
their exclusive items, in my opinion there is something very very wrong
going on.

I would say:
Bricklink: You have a party of your own, fine, it's not technically wrong,
enjoy it. But please take down all of your items that we are also selling.
Please have at least this much respect for us. It's giving a very wrong signal.
You do not seem to have any real benefit from selling these items as they're
worth next to nothing and it makes your shop look untidy anyway, so please be
professional and keep things clean and both you and us will benefit.
Please do all of us a favour and use your own store on your own platform what
you said it was intended for in your announcement: A shop for selling unique
sets/items. (Of course only as long as it is in agreement with your own TOS -
so selling these special sets and a tile with a Bricklink print is fine, but
selling a Bricklink T-shirt would not be ok).



I have always been cheaper on Bricklink than on another platform, but this project
made me change that around. From now on, I am cheaper there than I am on Bricklink.
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In General, Teup writes:
  In General, qwertyboy writes:
  In General, Teup writes:
  In General, StarBrick writes:
  
  
No, I did not.
I think that they have made their choice. I can have my own opinion, but reporting
seems to be a waste of everyone's time.

Stick to (y)our own principles: report anything that is against TOS.
If you don't, you're moving down the scale of merit....

I'm not as much bothered by them selling non Lego things than the fact that
they spend the money I pay them to start competing with me.

I am exactly the other way around. BL selling regular items is fine (as long
as they don’t take an unfair advantage). Selling non-Lego items however is swuarely
against their own ToS.

It reminds me of something a while ago. I was driving on a main road in Calgary,
and a cop car was waiting to merge onto the road from a coffee shop parking lot.
I slowed down to let them go ahead. I then saw 2 officers in the car, with the
driver on his cell phone. I honked and made the phone-on-my-ear gesture. I was
pulled over, and got a lecture about what if they just received an emergency
call that my wife was in an accident. I explained:
- It is not allowed to be on your phone while driving;
- He could have taken the call while still in the parking lot;
- He could have handed the phone to his colleague;
- He could have used a hands-free device (which I know Cgy cops have).
With some mumbling from the cop I was sent on my way.

It is just another example of “we set the rules, but because we enforce the rules,
they don’t apply to us”. BL could offer their merchandise on a different web
site.

Niek.

I see now they are selling a few (utterly random) parts. While it's nothing
nearly significant, it is just so wrong to me on principle. As WoutR said they
do not pay fees so it is unfair competition, but moreover: by us paying fees,
we enable their existence, we enable the development of this project of theirs.
Part of the money we pay for maintainance, development and customer service is
used for making a project that results in a store that is able to feature exclusive
items that no other store can have. If they would limit their selling purely
to unique items, they are not grieving any sellers, as there would be no overlap.
But if they are selling regular parts that I also may be selling combined
with
their exclusive items, in my opinion there is something very very wrong
going on.

I would say:
Bricklink: You have a party of your own, fine, it's not technically wrong,
enjoy it. But please take down all of your items that we are also selling.
Please have at least this much respect for us. It's giving a very wrong signal.
You do not seem to have any real benefit from selling these items as they're
worth next to nothing and it makes your shop look untidy anyway, so please be
professional and keep things clean and both you and us will benefit.
Please do all of us a favour and use your own store on your own platform what
you said it was intended for in your announcement: A shop for selling unique
sets/items. (Of course only as long as it is in agreement with your own TOS -
so selling these special sets and a tile with a Bricklink print is fine, but
selling a Bricklink T-shirt would not be ok).


I think it's valuable for BrickLink to have a store, even if only to get
the experience of running it. This way, the people who are developing new tools,
fixing bugs, and running the Help Desk actually experience the challenges sellers
face on a day to day basis.

We don't do it for profit, but whatever income there is goes to offset costs
in other areas. For example, when BrickLink supplies an inventory, there is a
used set left over. If we sell that set, it partially offsets the cost of buying
the next set to inventory. The more sets we can inventory, the faster inventories
get done, and the more opportunity there is for our sellers to make a profit.

Also, BrickLink has acquired a good amount of parts over the years, from which
we are building a physical color catalog among other things. We use these parts
to help with catalog and inventory work, but we always need more variety and
depth. So if we sell off some of what we don't need, then we can buy other
parts we do need. And when we buy, we buy from BrickLink.

So to sell off what we don't need, should we try eBay? Or how about BrickOwl?
Or will we be confined to giving away stuff at conventions? How would that be
for good stewardship of your seller fees?

And yes, we will be selling T-shirts when the next order comes in. They are to
date *the* most highly sought-after BrickLink item and they are a walking advertisement
for our brand.
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Russsel, what is the name of Bricklink's Bricklink shop?


In General, Admin_Russell writes:
....

  
I think it's valuable for BrickLink to have a store, even if only to get
the experience of running it. This way, the people who are developing new tools,
fixing bugs, and running the Help Desk actually experience the challenges sellers
face on a day to day basis.

We don't do it for profit, but whatever income there is goes to offset costs
in other areas. For example, when BrickLink supplies an inventory, there is a
used set left over. If we sell that set, it partially offsets the cost of buying
the next set to inventory. The more sets we can inventory, the faster inventories
get done, and the more opportunity there is for our sellers to make a profit.

Also, BrickLink has acquired a good amount of parts over the years, from which
we are building a physical color catalog among other things. We use these parts
to help with catalog and inventory work, but we always need more variety and
depth. So if we sell off some of what we don't need, then we can buy other
parts we do need. And when we buy, we buy from BrickLink.

So to sell off what we don't need, should we try eBay? Or how about BrickOwl?
Or will we be confined to giving away stuff at conventions? How would that be
for good stewardship of your seller fees?

And yes, we will be selling T-shirts when the next order comes in. They are to
date *the* most highly sought-after BrickLink item and they are a walking advertisement
for our brand.
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In General, Daragh writes:
  Russsel, what is the name of Bricklink's Bricklink shop?

You can see it here:

https://www.bricklink.com/feedback.asp?u=BrickLinkCorp
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In General, Admin_Russell writes:
  In General, Teup writes:
  In General, qwertyboy writes:
  In General, Teup writes:
  In General, StarBrick writes:
  
  
No, I did not.
I think that they have made their choice. I can have my own opinion, but reporting
seems to be a waste of everyone's time.

Stick to (y)our own principles: report anything that is against TOS.
If you don't, you're moving down the scale of merit....

I'm not as much bothered by them selling non Lego things than the fact that
they spend the money I pay them to start competing with me.

I am exactly the other way around. BL selling regular items is fine (as long
as they don’t take an unfair advantage). Selling non-Lego items however is swuarely
against their own ToS.

It reminds me of something a while ago. I was driving on a main road in Calgary,
and a cop car was waiting to merge onto the road from a coffee shop parking lot.
I slowed down to let them go ahead. I then saw 2 officers in the car, with the
driver on his cell phone. I honked and made the phone-on-my-ear gesture. I was
pulled over, and got a lecture about what if they just received an emergency
call that my wife was in an accident. I explained:
- It is not allowed to be on your phone while driving;
- He could have taken the call while still in the parking lot;
- He could have handed the phone to his colleague;
- He could have used a hands-free device (which I know Cgy cops have).
With some mumbling from the cop I was sent on my way.

It is just another example of “we set the rules, but because we enforce the rules,
they don’t apply to us”. BL could offer their merchandise on a different web
site.

Niek.

I see now they are selling a few (utterly random) parts. While it's nothing
nearly significant, it is just so wrong to me on principle. As WoutR said they
do not pay fees so it is unfair competition, but moreover: by us paying fees,
we enable their existence, we enable the development of this project of theirs.
Part of the money we pay for maintainance, development and customer service is
used for making a project that results in a store that is able to feature exclusive
items that no other store can have. If they would limit their selling purely
to unique items, they are not grieving any sellers, as there would be no overlap.
But if they are selling regular parts that I also may be selling combined
with
their exclusive items, in my opinion there is something very very wrong
going on.

I would say:
Bricklink: You have a party of your own, fine, it's not technically wrong,
enjoy it. But please take down all of your items that we are also selling.
Please have at least this much respect for us. It's giving a very wrong signal.
You do not seem to have any real benefit from selling these items as they're
worth next to nothing and it makes your shop look untidy anyway, so please be
professional and keep things clean and both you and us will benefit.
Please do all of us a favour and use your own store on your own platform what
you said it was intended for in your announcement: A shop for selling unique
sets/items. (Of course only as long as it is in agreement with your own TOS -
so selling these special sets and a tile with a Bricklink print is fine, but
selling a Bricklink T-shirt would not be ok).


I think it's valuable for BrickLink to have a store, even if only to get
the experience of running it. This way, the people who are developing new tools,
fixing bugs, and running the Help Desk actually experience the challenges sellers
face on a day to day basis.

We don't do it for profit, but whatever income there is goes to offset costs
in other areas. For example, when BrickLink supplies an inventory, there is a
used set left over. If we sell that set, it partially offsets the cost of buying
the next set to inventory. The more sets we can inventory, the faster inventories
get done, and the more opportunity there is for our sellers to make a profit.

Also, BrickLink has acquired a good amount of parts over the years, from which
we are building a physical color catalog among other things. We use these parts
to help with catalog and inventory work, but we always need more variety and
depth. So if we sell off some of what we don't need, then we can buy other
parts we do need. And when we buy, we buy from BrickLink.

So to sell off what we don't need, should we try eBay? Or how about BrickOwl?
Or will we be confined to giving away stuff at conventions? How would that be
for good stewardship of your seller fees?

And yes, we will be selling T-shirts when the next order comes in. They are to
date *the* most highly sought-after BrickLink item and they are a walking advertisement
for our brand.

What you say makes sense, and I think there's an easy solution: Simply have
one of your guys set up their own store. Not as BricklinkCorp, just some random
store, and use it to sell off all the leftovers that running Bricklink gives
you. If the point is to test how things are going, it's actually even an
improvement if you just test it as a regular person's store rather than Bricklink's
official store.
See I'm just about not mixing things that I think are in conflict with one
another.

I think it is fair to us all if Bricklink sells off its leftovers under the same
conditions as us all - without an official store name, without exclusive products.

The exclusive products can then be sold in the official Bricklink store, which
is aimed at just that, and does not have even 1 item other people are also selling.

And really, as for you guys, I honestly expect the official store would get more
rather than less orders if the odd random regular part was removed from the inventory.
Looks much more tidy that way.
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