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 Author: leggodtshop View Messages Posted By leggodtshop
 Posted: Jan 28, 2022 16:32
 Subject: Re: Can BL help in this matter?
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In Help, McBricks writes:
  Another buyer and I with the same last name got our orders mixed up. I have his
order and he has mine. I understand the mix up, but the seller will not even
respond to either of us to fix this problem. I clicked on Report problem on the
order form, but it only says

Send message (done multple times) (the other buyer and I have made contact twice)
&

File a non-shipping alert.

Where is the non-responding seller?

The other buyer and I could mail each other their items but I would be out priority
mail cost to the 1st class shipping cost of my original package and both of us
have already paid shipping to the selling store HHH Brick Depot.

Can BL help with this or not?

I suggest you take your loss of the cost of shipping to each other, then at least
that problem is solved.

Of course start a NSS or NRS with the seller, but if that will resolve much
is uncertain. I don't think BL can do much or anything at all, what would
you like them to do?
 Author: leggodtshop View Messages Posted By leggodtshop
 Posted: Jan 26, 2022 01:13
 Subject: Re: ebay is getting to be a pain
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In Off Topic, legoman77 writes:
  In Off Topic, 1001bricks writes:
  
  More than a wife or girlfriend or both.
John P

Both? Bu-but you can't possibly have both together at the same time - I mean,
can you?

Anyway, BrickLink fees are simple, straight and reasonnable, which is the good
way to make business in the long run.

And this is also why many of us do love BrickLink.

So, stop complaining and please stay away from eBay dear John!

And please PM me about this story one could get "both" )
Take care of you.

Sylvain

I cannot stay away from ebay. I am selling my huge collection of Simpsons.
I started with over 4200 different Simpsons items, from Kidrobot figures, Neca,
toasters, bowling balls, dinner ware, and fine china.. And I am selling my Wizkids
Star Trek Attack Wing and Heroclix. I had both lines complete and the Attack
Wing is selling very quickly. So I need ebay more than ebay needs me.
John P

Clearly, that's why they charge so much ebay knows you need them

Power to the OMP's!!
 Author: leggodtshop View Messages Posted By leggodtshop
 Posted: Jan 21, 2022 03:00
 Subject: Re: I paid VAT on buying, and VAT again receiving
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In Selling, SylvainLS writes:
  In Selling, patpendlego writes:
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Well, obviously I can't give any details but also obviously I have emails
to prove this. Emails from shipping company / customs that shipment was on hold
until taxes were paid. Despite the fact that local state taxes were already paid
to BrickLink through PayPal.

Can you tell us what was the amount (of the product)?

Nope, no details, sorry.
 Author: leggodtshop View Messages Posted By leggodtshop
 Posted: Jan 21, 2022 02:52
 Subject: Re: I paid VAT on buying, and VAT again receiving
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In Selling, psusaxman2000 writes:
  In Selling, patpendlego writes:
  In Selling, peregrinator writes:
  In Selling, patpendlego writes:
  Vice versa is the same. I really don't like at all that I have to invoice
local US State Tax, that it gets transfered to my PayPal account and that PayPal
is taking it off again, transferring it to BrickLink and we all just have to
hope and pray BrickLink is indeed transferring it to the US State Tax authorities
again.

It's not the same because U.S. customs won't try to collect state sales
tax when packages from outside the U.S. are delivered into the U.S. You won't
have a U.S. buyer come to you saying, "hey! They wouldn't give me my package
unless I paid sales tax/customs duties! I want a refund!"

Not true. They do.

If someone is telling you this, then they are lying to you. US customs will
only hold something if they fell it is illegal or otherwise a problem. They
have nothing to do with sales taxes as they are each managed at the state level.

Well, obviously I can't give any details but also obviously I have emails
to prove this. Emails from shipping company / customs that shipment was on hold
until taxes were paid. Despite the fact that local state taxes were already paid
to BrickLink through PayPal.
 Author: leggodtshop View Messages Posted By leggodtshop
 Posted: Jan 20, 2022 17:50
 Subject: Re: I paid VAT on buying, and VAT again receiving
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In Selling, peregrinator writes:
  In Selling, patpendlego writes:
  Vice versa is the same. I really don't like at all that I have to invoice
local US State Tax, that it gets transfered to my PayPal account and that PayPal
is taking it off again, transferring it to BrickLink and we all just have to
hope and pray BrickLink is indeed transferring it to the US State Tax authorities
again.

It's not the same because U.S. customs won't try to collect state sales
tax when packages from outside the U.S. are delivered into the U.S. You won't
have a U.S. buyer come to you saying, "hey! They wouldn't give me my package
unless I paid sales tax/customs duties! I want a refund!"

Not true. They do.
 Author: leggodtshop View Messages Posted By leggodtshop
 Posted: Jan 20, 2022 15:44
 Subject: Re: I paid VAT on buying, and VAT again receiving
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In Selling, Shintaku writes:
  This is happening every single time.

I buy on an extra EU store, then I have to pay VAT.
I didn't until some months ago, so now it's very annoying, but ok.
Then, I expect that VAT is paid and I have nothing more to pay.

And every single time I receive a package, the postman says there's more
to pay.
EVERY SINGLE TIME.

If the seller didn't attach the VAT invoice, that's the seller to blame.
But it happened also with VAT invoice attached.

I am tired of paying double every time. Bricklink did a mistake forcing us to
pay the VAT in advance, I'll stop buying from extra EU if this doesn't
find a solution soon.

The EU wants to get a piece of the pie of small sales. Simple as that. In total
this small trades are a huge amount of money. The rest of the world however has
to deal with these new EU rules, do you really think they like doing that?

Vice versa is the same. I really don't like at all that I have to invoice
local US State Tax, that it gets transfered to my PayPal account and that PayPal
is taking it off again, transferring it to BrickLink and we all just have to
hope and pray BrickLink is indeed transferring it to the US State Tax authorities
again.

Local Tax money is travelling all over the world through accounts of people that
have nothing to do with it. And we have only to hope it all goes well.

In the meantime, the 10 richest men in the world has seen their wealth grown
by 100% in just 1 Corona year. There is something really really wrong with the
monetary system.
 Author: leggodtshop View Messages Posted By leggodtshop
 Posted: Jan 20, 2022 14:56
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In Selling, Shintaku writes:
  This is happening every single time.

I buy on an extra EU store, then I have to pay VAT.
I didn't until some months ago, so now it's very annoying, but ok.
Then, I expect that VAT is paid and I have nothing more to pay.

And every single time I receive a package, the postman says there's more
to pay.
EVERY SINGLE TIME.

It's illegal, but who is going to pay for the laywer to prove that?!?
As long as no one does, it can and will continue.

  
If the seller didn't attach the VAT invoice, that's the seller to blame.
But it happened also with VAT invoice attached.

I am tired of paying double every time. Bricklink did a mistake forcing us to
pay the VAT in advance, I'll stop buying from extra EU if this doesn't
find a solution soon.
 Author: leggodtshop View Messages Posted By leggodtshop
 Posted: Jan 20, 2022 14:54
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In Selling, Shintaku writes:
  In Selling, yorbrick writes:
  In Selling, bobnikolov writes:
  In Selling, yorbrick writes:
  
  If the seller didn't attach the VAT invoice, that's the seller to blame.
But it happened also with VAT invoice attached.

It sounds like your local government agency doesn't know what it is doing
then, if they are charging VAT on every order that you import even if VAT is
already collected and displayed correctly.


It happens here too. Even the VAT invoice is attached. So i stopped buying outside
of EU till this is cleared

So long as BL is supplying sellers with the correct documentation there is not
really any more they can do. The cannot teach incompetent government systems
or officials.

So basically, people from the EU will stop buying outside EU. This will damage
a lot the non-EU sellers.

Do you really think the EU cares? Money going outside EU is a loss for businesses
inside EU, so they prefer(!) that you buy inside EU.

  
However, what is the case that the seller did NOT attach the VAT invoice?
Because in this last case the seller did not attach anything and he claims that
bricklink did never send him a VAT invoice.
Is this possible?
 Author: leggodtshop View Messages Posted By leggodtshop
 Posted: Jan 19, 2022 17:25
 Subject: Re: VAT issue
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In Problem Order, CanadaFirst writes:
  We shipped an order to Italy and included the VAT invoice.

The buyer says that they had to pay VAT again when they picked up their package
and now want us to refund them the VAT.

Our response was, so far, to tell them that we had included the VAT invoice as
we are supposed to do and that we can send them a copy of the VAT invoice by
email so that they can request that the taxes they paid in Italy be refunded
as they had already been paid.

We're waiting for their response but wondering how to handle this, if the
Italian authorities do not want to refund them I imagine they would have to get
in touch with Bricklink since we did not receive the amount for the VAT so we
can't refund it. How does this work in this case?

Sorry for you this situation. For sure it's a local Italy issue, not yours.
Not the first time this happens and not the last too I guess. This whole implementation
of BrickLink is terrible. Local VAT/Tax charged by BrickLink, paid by buyer to
seller and then confiscated again by PayPal, transferring it to BrickLink again.
It's a circus.
 Author: leggodtshop View Messages Posted By leggodtshop
 Posted: Jan 18, 2022 17:57
 Subject: Re: VAT invoice
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In General, SylvainLS writes:
  In General, patpendlego writes:
  […]
Now now, a bit harsh reponse don't you think? The OP meant it well.

So did I (meant it well, that is).  From your reaction, I get now that someone
could read it as scoffing too but it’s just a genuine interrogation on what OP
meant by “not printed” (which I think is clear I took as “not physical” while
OP meant “written by hand,” as it was clarified in the next messages).
It’s the usual pitfall of written communication: the tone is missing and each
adds their own¹.
I’ll try to add more clues from now on.

Well, it could have been my mood of the moment that read it like such. No hard
feelings I hope

  
(¹ Reminds me of this kid’s reaction just after seeing a Tintin movie: “It was
great but captain Haddock didn’t have the same voice as in the book.”)

LOL
 Author: leggodtshop View Messages Posted By leggodtshop
 Posted: Jan 18, 2022 02:58
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In General, SylvainLS writes:
  In General, rick_holl writes:
  Hi,
I have to include a VAT invoice with a package.
Does it have to be a printed one?
My printer is not working right now.
Thank you

As you say yourself, the invoice is to be included with the package.
So it must be printed and accessible from the outside of the package.  Generally
it’s put in a transparent pouch.
Otherwise, what do you think “include an invoice with a package” might mean if
you don’t have a physical copy of said invoice?  Write “the invoice can be seen
on https://…” on the package? 

Now now, a bit harsh reponse don't you think? The OP meant it well.
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 Posted: Jan 16, 2022 16:01
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In Help, MRGolden51 writes:
  Why on quite a few non-USA-based Sellers' Terms pages does it list the USA
as a country to which the Seller ships, but then a notice at the top of the page
states: Seller does not support orders shipping to New Mexico? Are foreigners
unaware that New Mexico is a USA state??

If US states could be selected/unselected for shipping then New Mexico (in this
case) would have been unselected. But BrickLink allows for countries only to
be selected/unselected.

So, it is no that foreigners don't know New Mexico is a USA state but that
it can't be unselected.

Why sellers do not want to ship to New Mexico? Tax issues? Shipping issues?
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 Posted: Jan 15, 2022 07:11
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In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
  In Catalog Identification, normann1974 writes:
  In Catalog Identification, Stuart9 writes:
  Looks a little home made but unsure as it's not in front of me.

I didn't think of that, but that's probably it. The holes are a bit unevenly
positioned (maybe 1/10th of a mm, but it's clear by comparison).

Thanks.

/Jan

Well, I just thought about it some more. If it was a customized brick, what part
was it made from? I can't think of any.

BTW - It has "Pat. pend" in the bottom.

/Jan

Nice find! I have never seen this brick before.

Paul
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 Posted: Jan 12, 2022 17:47
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In Technical Issues, helge writes:
  I have an order to Germany that Bricklink has charged VAT on, and the buyer is
asked to pay VAT on again to receive it.

The value of the parts is 149,3 EUR, and shipping is 6,9 EUR. Bricklink has calculated
the VAT on the total of that, but should that have been done?

The value is 156,2 EUR, and is above the 150 EUR limit.

The order were sent with IOSS number and all correct labels and documentation.

Who is correct: the German customs service or Bricklink?

Regards,
Helge

Did you know we owe a thank you to the French for introducing VAT?

In 1953 the French started with TVA (la Taxe sur la Valeur Ajoutée). Soon after
it got introduced in Germany and then The Netherlands could not stay behind..........

The rest is history.

Have nice evening
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In Technical Issues, SylvainLS writes:
  In Technical Issues, patpendlego writes:
  […]
Nope, not me. I do not even understand it at all, come on 99 pages to explain
VAT? Way to complex.

Indeed, I got my Dutchmen named Paul all mixed up: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1226302

Sorry, Paul & Paul,


No problem.
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In Technical Issues, SylvainLS writes:
  In Technical Issues, Stellar writes:
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That PDF has a very good example:

Yes.

  […]
That should clear everything, thanks for finding it.

I’m not the one who found it first, I think I was made aware of its existence
here, maybe by patpendlego himself?

Nope, not me. I do not even understand it at all, come on 99 pages to explain
VAT? Way to complex.

  And I now try to link & quote it in every discussion about the new EU VAT rules
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In Technical Issues, 1001bricks writes:
  
  
  If the shipping price doesn't contain VAT (like for stamps) or if you charge
the exact shipping price (with not any discount or not any addition), this is
tolerated and could fit in tax examptions, depending the Country.

Sorry, that is a common mistake. Stamps are perhaps VAT free for the Postal Company
issuing the stamps but never for the user of stamps. Exact shipping price is
neither relevant.

Then I guess it's different in France.
If you invoice an ***exact*** stamp price, then you're allowed not to charge
VAT.

I guess it is. I have checked again several Dutch sources on this subject and
all state the same: charge VAT on S&H. No mentioning whatsoever on exact shipping
cost. Well... I guess I have to go talk to an expert about it
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In Technical Issues, 1001bricks writes:
  
  
  
  In fact, the BrickLink calculation depends (I guess) on the check boxes you've
set up in your shop settings about where VAT is applied, like: items, additional
fees 1 & 2, shipping, credit...

That's right Sylvain, but most out of EU sellers don't have the VAT settings
(attached image) for those and probably they are unchecked by default. The calculation
should take that into account.

Most don't have those enabled???
Mine are:

I still think these are odd options. VAT must be charged on the total, including
all additional cost. Period. So far I've never heard or read about exceptions
like "exact shipping cost". I definitely would like to see proof of that case.
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In Technical Issues, 1001bricks writes:
  
  Seems rather odd. In what situation would a seller charge VAT on the goods but
NOT on the S&H?? Afaik this is not allowed, the VAT % charged on S&H must be
the same as the % charged on the goods.

If the shipping price doesn't contain VAT (like for stamps) or if you charge
the exact shipping price (with not any discount or not any addition), this is
tolerated and could fit in tax examptions, depending the Country.

Sorry, that is a common mistake. Stamps are perhaps VAT free for the Postal Company
issuing the stamps but never for the user of stamps. Exact shipping price is
neither relevant.

But it might be different per country, although I doubt that very much inside
the EU it should be the same for all countries.
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In Technical Issues, 1001bricks writes:
  In Technical Issues, helge writes:
  I have an order to Germany that Bricklink has charged VAT on, and the buyer is
asked to pay VAT on again to receive it.

The value of the parts is 149,3 EUR, and shipping is 6,9 EUR. Bricklink has calculated
the VAT on the total of that, but should that have been done?

This seems pretty obvious for me.

IF shipping has a VAT, then the total including shipping should be accounted
in the 150 threshold.

IF the shipping has no VAT, then it shouldn't count in the threshold.

In fact, the BrickLink calculation depends (I guess) on the check boxes you've
set up in your shop settings about where VAT is applied, like: items, additional
fees 1 & 2, shipping, credit...

Seems rather odd. In what situation would a seller charge VAT on the goods but
NOT on the S&H?? Afaik this is not allowed, the VAT % charged on S&H must be
the same as the % charged on the goods.

  
HTH?

Sylvain
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In Technical Issues, StarBrick writes:
  In Technical Issues, helge writes:
  
  
  
  Helge


exactly and this is why I stopped looking for parts outside the EU and selling
outside the EU....
Call me stupid, but this is exactly what the EU politicians wanted: (economic)
walls around fortress Europe . To my opinion, this is part of the Trump-heritage.

Ofcourse the EU wants more trade within their borders and less money going out.
It's what every commercial oriented system does: less cost, more income.
Any way.
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In Technical Issues, helge writes:
  
  
  
  Helge

Do anybody has actual information?

Is the 150 EUR limit for goods only, or is it for goods + shipping?

Regards,
Helge

Ask your local experts on the subject. This kind of questions is depending on
too much variables, EU-law, local law, your business, etc. etc.

Good luck!
Paul

Thanks, bud I am asking what the rules are into Germany. This is not a complex
question, and it does not depend on anything on my side. The limit is either
on the value of the goods or the value of goods + shipping.

Helge

Still, a local expert on this should know the situation in Germany too. Here
on the Forum you will get a lot of opinions but who knows if these are expert
opinions.

Anyway, up to you what to believe

Paul
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In Technical Issues, helge writes:
  
  
  

The value of the parts is less than € 150, so Bricklink has to calculated the
VAT. But VAT must be calculated on the value of goods and shipping costs.
Now, the German custo calculated the new VAT: value of the goods + shipping costs
+ VAT

But what is correct? It can't be correct that ordres with value of goods
bellow 150, but total cost above 150 shall be charged VAT twice. Even EU is not
able to come up with such a law.

Helge

Do anybody has actual information?

Is the 150 EUR limit for goods only, or is it for goods + shipping?

Regards,
Helge

Ask your local experts on the subject. This kind of questions is depending on
too much variables, EU-law, local law, your business, etc. etc.

Good luck!
Paul
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  Hi everyone,

I'd like to buy from a Russian store, but the checkout page seems weird (see
image).

EUR 33.66 for items, EUR 8.12 for VAT ... but why is it EUR 51.54 + shipping
at the end?

Thanks!

Together with import duties and all, it might become quite expensive. I would
suggest asking a quote first before ordering.
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In Terms and Policies, Dino1 writes:
  In Terms and Policies, patpendlego writes:
  In Terms and Policies, Shiny_Stuff writes:
  In Terms and Policies, BrickLady314 writes:
  In Terms and Policies, peregrinator writes:
  In Terms and Policies, BrickLady314 writes:
  I'm just realizing that in the 2 months I've been making sales on Bricklink
that all the sales tax collected is actually coming to me in Paypal.

It isn't - it's being deducted as a "Partner Fee"


And I juuuuust figured that out. I thought I was losing my mind for a minute.
Thank you! I'm going to leave this up in case someone else is an idiot and
misses that major detail.


One little detail that may or may not be important to anyone:

BrickLink does collect the sales tax on our behalf. AND they keep ALL OF IT.
There is no percentage of the sales tax for the actual seller -- only for
BrickLink, since they do the actual collecting and remitting to the tax collectors.

However, it is the actual SELLERS on BrickLink who get stuck paying the Paypal
fee on that entire tax amount. So whatever percentage of fee you are paying
to Paypal to process the payments, you are also paying that fee on the sales
tax money that you never even see.

If I am wrong about this, someone please say so. I would love to be wrong on
this.

____

You guys are all in the US, so its at least your own country. However I am in
The NL and have nothing to do with US State Sales Tax whatsoever! Nevertheless
a sale to PA results in a PA Sales Tax on my account! PayPal fee to pay on it
too. Ridiculous.

Thay do the same for "our" import tax.

Yeah I know. What a ridiculous system. Local taxes traveling all over the world
into accounts of people who have nothing to do with it and no control over but
pay fees on it. Well, to "soften" the blow a tiny bit I can deduct the fee (as
cost) from my income and pay a little less income tax. How did they come up with
it...
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In Terms and Policies, Shiny_Stuff writes:
  In Terms and Policies, BrickLady314 writes:
  In Terms and Policies, peregrinator writes:
  In Terms and Policies, BrickLady314 writes:
  I'm just realizing that in the 2 months I've been making sales on Bricklink
that all the sales tax collected is actually coming to me in Paypal.

It isn't - it's being deducted as a "Partner Fee"


And I juuuuust figured that out. I thought I was losing my mind for a minute.
Thank you! I'm going to leave this up in case someone else is an idiot and
misses that major detail.


One little detail that may or may not be important to anyone:

BrickLink does collect the sales tax on our behalf. AND they keep ALL OF IT.
There is no percentage of the sales tax for the actual seller -- only for
BrickLink, since they do the actual collecting and remitting to the tax collectors.

However, it is the actual SELLERS on BrickLink who get stuck paying the Paypal
fee on that entire tax amount. So whatever percentage of fee you are paying
to Paypal to process the payments, you are also paying that fee on the sales
tax money that you never even see.

If I am wrong about this, someone please say so. I would love to be wrong on
this.

____

You guys are all in the US, so its at least your own country. However I am in
The NL and have nothing to do with US State Sales Tax whatsoever! Nevertheless
a sale to PA results in a PA Sales Tax on my account! PayPal fee to pay on it
too. Ridiculous.
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In Help, Exopose writes:
  In Help, Dino1 writes:
  In Help, Exopose writes:
  How to activate bank transfer for buyers, customer does not want to set up PayPal
asks for bank transfer options. Thank you for your help

Here you can activate it:
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/mystore/payments.page

There are only two options here: PayPal or Stripe.

Bank transfer is default not available. Contact the helpdesk and ask if BrickLink
wants to make it available to you.
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In Help, bricedue writes:
  Hi all, I want to watch a specific store for a specific item. I would like to
get a notification when they add the item. Is this possible? For example, I currently
want to know when Sunshinebricks adds more black elephant trunks.

I've googled and tried all the obvious stuff but I can't find a way to
restrict wanted list notifications to specific stores.

Why do I want this? To find old versions of parts that are useful to me. Some
stores specialize in recycling old bricks.

High volume used parts stores often add items in a rotation. Bricksy (Germany,
"up to 75% off") and Sunshinebricks (Florida) work like this. They sort used
bricks by category and add items in groups by category. For example, all colors
of 2x4 plates will get added together on the same day. But 2x4 plates might only
get added/sorted a few times each year.

If I want a specific part from one of these stores, I have to keep checking all
year to know when they add that category/part. Can BL notify me when a specific
item is added at a specific store?

Thanks!
-brice

You can put the item on a Wanted List, and get notified. But not for a specific
store. However, you might be able to filter the email notifications by your Mail
Program to filter out all except the store you want.

Good luck!
Paul
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  I have found a Bright green 1x4 brick in my collection. In the catalog this part
does not exist, but it has the Lego logo on it. How much would it be worth?

Please post a picture
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In Selling, Teup writes:
  In Selling, patpendlego writes:
  In Selling, Teup writes:
  Inspired by an incorrect comment yesterday in the EU distance selling call that
shipping costs don't include VAT, I went to check a VAT invoice of my orders
to the UK and yep, I noticed that VAT was only calculated over the item total
and not the shipping costs. This is not right, VAT needs to be calculated over
the grand total. I wonder, could this be the reason for some situations where
people need to pay VAT twice? I don't know what invoices (if any) get attached
when importing into the EU, but if the ex.VAT price of the grand total does not
match with the VAT percentage charged, it is logical that authorities will not
accept it.

I don't know precisely for which countries shipping costs have VAT (I checked
UK, seems yes), but even if there would be a country that doesn't, it would
still be incorrect because S&H charges include handling which is always subject
to VAT. (And sometimes the postage costs are visible on the label, and if that
doesn't match the shipping cost in the invoice, for which no VAT was charged,
that's going to raise some eyebrows)

Or is this just in my store, because I haven't switched on VAT on shipping
costs? (I don't use Bricklink to calculate my VAT, I just entered the correct
shipping prices the way they should be, so I didn't need this feature)

In The NL the VAT % charged on shipping, handling, etc. must be the same as the
VAT % charged on the goods shipped. So, if seller must charge 21% VAT on the
goods, s/he also must charge 21% on the shipping. If the seller sells margin
goods (which cannot be charged VAT) there is also no VAT on the shipping.

If there is a mix of VAT % on the goods, then the highest % must be charged on
the shipping.

Yikes, I read on a British site that they calculate VAT on shipping proportionally
to the rates of the products, rather than assuming the highest percentage. Good
luck implementing that too.. this VAT stuff is a neverending head ache for Bricklink


Yeah, VAT is nightmare and the EU doesn't have the guts to implement one
system for all EU-countries. Although they tend to move slowly into that direction.

BrickLink does not support VAT by far all that is needed. Luckily I sell margin
goods only and do not have to use the BrickLink VAT "feature" at all
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In Selling, Teup writes:
  Inspired by an incorrect comment yesterday in the EU distance selling call that
shipping costs don't include VAT, I went to check a VAT invoice of my orders
to the UK and yep, I noticed that VAT was only calculated over the item total
and not the shipping costs. This is not right, VAT needs to be calculated over
the grand total. I wonder, could this be the reason for some situations where
people need to pay VAT twice? I don't know what invoices (if any) get attached
when importing into the EU, but if the ex.VAT price of the grand total does not
match with the VAT percentage charged, it is logical that authorities will not
accept it.

I don't know precisely for which countries shipping costs have VAT (I checked
UK, seems yes), but even if there would be a country that doesn't, it would
still be incorrect because S&H charges include handling which is always subject
to VAT. (And sometimes the postage costs are visible on the label, and if that
doesn't match the shipping cost in the invoice, for which no VAT was charged,
that's going to raise some eyebrows)

Or is this just in my store, because I haven't switched on VAT on shipping
costs? (I don't use Bricklink to calculate my VAT, I just entered the correct
shipping prices the way they should be, so I didn't need this feature)

In The NL the VAT % charged on shipping, handling, etc. must be the same as the
VAT % charged on the goods shipped. So, if seller must charge 21% VAT on the
goods, s/he also must charge 21% on the shipping. If the seller sells margin
goods (which cannot be charged VAT) there is also no VAT on the shipping.

If there is a mix of VAT % on the goods, then the highest % must be charged on
the shipping.
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In Off Topic, peregrinator writes:
  In Off Topic, tec writes:
  
  I noticed while parting out that one looked like it had a nasty scratch on the
side. On closer inspection, it turned out to be the sprue mark! Really surprised
to find a slope with the sprue mark on the side in 2021.

strange indeed
they should be out of sight

On many (most?) pieces these days the sprue mark is on a stud - definitely the
case for 2x1 inverted slopes now, for example.

I saw these slopes and I wondered if TLG resurrected an old mold.

Could be, or they reused old inventory.
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In Selling, Cob writes:
  In Selling, Leftoverbricks writes:
  In Selling, Stellar writes:
  In Selling, Leftoverbricks writes:
  It is often repeated in the forum that charging PayPal costs to the buyer would
be illegal in the EU. I was of that opinion myself.

However, this is not the case.

It is legal for a company to charge the customer the costs for paying
with PP with the restriction that only the actual cost charged by PP may be transferred
to the buyer; so not a plain fee or an overall percentage.

Source Google https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=paypal+transactiekosten+doorberekenen

Since the introduction of PSD2 (February 2019), companies are no longer allowed
to charge surcharges for payments with debit card, credit card (from Visa and
Mastercard), transfer and direct debit. This is allowed for other payment methods
such as PayPal, iDeal and post-payment methods such as Klarna and Afterpay.


An eye-opener for me.

It is against PayPal Terms not against the Law, they say something in the lines
that you must not charge any fee for one Payment method you offer and not for
others, so the same for all or nothing for all.

The laws of the EU are dominant, PP should obey these laws.
Here's a popular analogy: two persons (or companies) could make a legal contract
that one can kill the other without consequences. For the law however this is
still murder and you can't get away with your contract - even if it's
agreed upon between the participants.

Regardless of the laws, PayPal can discontinue doing business with anyone who
breaks their terms of service.

They might, but you can contest that on grounds of discrimination.
Whether you can afford the right laywer is another question.......
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In Selling, JerseyBrickGuy writes:
  Like the topic states, I’m curious to see how other sellers keep their inventory
up to date?

Thanks

Local registration, upload through CSV, download through API. Local is leading,
inventory on BrickLink is following. Works great.
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In Administrative, CE_Tanja writes:
  Dear BrickLink member,



We have recently launched a new feature enabling EU distance selling on the BrickLink
site. Because we have had a number of questions and concerns expressed from some
of you, we are setting up an online sessions to take you through the new guidelines
in more detail as well as addressing your concerns. The online session will take
place this Friday at 9-10 am PST



During the meeting you will have the option to write additional questions in
the session chat and have them answered directly in the session to the best of
our ability.



In order to participate in the session you will need to sign up, in order to
sign up, please write to CE_Tanja and share the email you would like to participate
with and we will invite you to the session. The deadline for signing up is Thursday
1/6 at 9 am PST.



There is a limit of 350 participants. Participation will be on a first come first
serve basis. We will be recording the session for those of you that are unable
to participate, this way you will be able to watch the recording afterwards.



Kind regards,

The BrickLink Marketplace team

Great! I would like to see the recorded session. Will it be available shortly
after the life session?

Thank you,
Paul
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In LANG Nederlands, TempleOfBricks writes:
  Bij het versturen van Lego naar het buitenland..

Kan iemand mij vertellen welke HS code ik moet invullen op het doaneformulier??

Gr,
Alexander

Hier staat de complete lijst:

https://www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/wcm/connect/bldcontentnl/themaoverstijgend/brochures_en_publicaties/goederencodes

Hier meer info:

https://www.kvk.nl/advies-en-informatie/internationaal-ondernemen/importeren/hoe-bepaal-ik-een-goederencode/#

En hier staat een online tool voor interactief opzoeken:

https://tarief.douane.nl/arctictariff-public-web/#!/home

En je kan natuurlijk ook gewoon de douane bellen.

Gr
Paul
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In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  
  
  There needs to be an indicator of the piece "slope" degree, even if not accurate,
but it serves to know which ones share the same angle.

IMO there does not... Slope 2 x 1 or Slope 3 x 1 says it all. No confusion about
the 45 or 33 (which is incorrect anyway).


So how about you ignore them, and other people that want to use them to identify
parts that naturally fit together can use them. I find there are many keywords
added to descriptions that I never use and are therefore superfluous (at least
to my way of searching).

In all my 50 years of playing, collecting, buying, selling and talking about
lego slopes I never ever had the need of something like a 45 degree roof or 33
degree rampage I just wanted to built a good looking roof .

So I never gave it any thought or attention, indeed just ignoring it most
of the time. The one time it is practical is when sorting the slopes online to
find all the ones alike.
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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  In Catalog, eileenkeeney writes:
  […]
So folks are measuring different things, explaining the different results. That
makes complete sense.

Yes… well… except for “33”: the only way I can find to get to that number is
to say “the brick is 3 units long and 1 unit high which makes it a 33% slope”
(%, not °, not a typo), except that the vertical unit is not the same as the
horizontal one and it counts the stud.
That or discaculia or dislexia (changing 31° into 33)…
… and a mighty bunch of people just repeating without understanding and/or correcting.

Just enough mystery for the words “Templars” or “aliens” to come to mind


Also makes me think of this joke:

A foreign lord is visiting a monastery, and the abbot explains how the monks
work at copying manuscripts.  And the lord asks:
“So, the monks copy the original books?”
“Oh, no!  Those are too precious and fragile, they are copying the last copy.”
“But what happens if someone makes an error in copying?  Then the error will
be copied again and other errors will be added?”
At these words, a monk working next to them jumps from his seat and rushes out.
Everyone is astounded for a minute and then they hear wails and cries and go
check what it’s about.
They quickly find the monk in the archives, were the oldest books are kept.
He’s holding an old parchment and crying.
“What’s he holding?” asks the lord.
“Oh, it looks like the original of our order’s rules” answers the abbot.
“And why is he crying?”
And the crying monk says “It’s celebrate!  Not celibate!”

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In Catalog, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
  In Catalog, axaday writes:
  I really don’t see any need for the 45 or 33, even if they were accurate. No
one is using Lego to help with their math homework or to do technical drawings.
The footprint dimensions and the picture together ought to tell anyone what they
need to know.

I agree to a certain point but if we would get rid of the angles, then we would
need the height for some slopes. Not sure what would be best though.

 
Part No: 3043  Name: Slope 45 2 x 2 Double
* 
3043 Slope 45 2 x 2 Double
Parts: Slope
 
Part No: 3300  Name: Slope 33 2 x 2 Double
* 
3300 Slope 33 2 x 2 Double
Parts: Slope

Convention is that if the height is 1 brick high that is not mentioned.

However 3300 is less high so it would be Slope 2 x 2 x 2/3 Double ?
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In Catalog, Shiny_Stuff writes:
  

And Here is the origin of the name Bevelled Brick:

 
Set No: 281  Name: 1 x 2 and 3 x 2 Sloping Bricks, Red
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281-1 (Inv) 1 x 2 and 3 x 2 Sloping Bricks, Red
21 Parts, 1959
Sets: Classic: Supplemental


In 1987 catalogs, LEGO decided to name 33 degree slopes as 25 degree slopes

 
Set No: 5152  Name: Roof Bricks, Red, 25 degrees
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5152-1 (Inv) Roof Bricks, Red, 25 degrees
60 Parts, 1987
Sets: Service Packs


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Looking at the inventory of 5152-1 it contains Slope 33 not 25 as the set implies
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In LANG Nederlands, Teup writes:
  In LANG Nederlands, patpendlego writes:
  In LANG Nederlands, BoekelbriX writes:
  Ik vraag me af of je de verplichte registratie als bedrijf kunt voorkomen door
je winkel "op slot te gooien" bij de stand van EUR 9.900 euro ?
En loopt dit van 01-01 tot 31-12 ?

Want de hobby is leuk en ik heb er veel schik mee, maar een bedrijf oprichten
met alle registraties die daarbij horen, de belastingdienst die precies kan zien
wat je naast je werk nog aan inkomsten genereert, liever niet

Zomaar een gedachte...

Het gaat alleen om 10k verkoop naar andere landen binnen de EU. Dus niet
de verkoop in eigen land of buiten de EU.

Als je tegen de 10k aanzit, hoef je alleen maar de EU landen uit te sluiten en
kan je nog gewoon doorverkopen in eigen land en buiten de EU.

Zoals gezegd moet je inkomen altijd geregistreerd staan. Ik vind het heel
raar dat deze vraag openlijk gesteld wordt en dat er ook dit soort antwoorden
gegeven worden. Tenzij dit een "puur academische" discussie is over een hypothetische
verkoper die gratis zonder winstmarge werkt hebben het hier echt over fraude
van duizenden euro's. Dat is gewoon een misdrijf.

De vraag vind ik heel normaal, wat te doen bij 9.900 omzet. Daar geef ik gewoon
antwoord op.

De opmerking daarna, ja die is nogal naïef
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In LANG Nederlands, BoekelbriX writes:
  Ik vraag me af of je de verplichte registratie als bedrijf kunt voorkomen door
je winkel "op slot te gooien" bij de stand van EUR 9.900 euro ?
En loopt dit van 01-01 tot 31-12 ?

Want de hobby is leuk en ik heb er veel schik mee, maar een bedrijf oprichten
met alle registraties die daarbij horen, de belastingdienst die precies kan zien
wat je naast je werk nog aan inkomsten genereert, liever niet

Zomaar een gedachte...

Check deze pagina onder 'Changes at a glance' 7e bullet:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2517

Zoals ik het lees, staat daar:

Het gaat alleen om 10k verkoop naar andere landen binnen de EU. Dus niet
de verkoop in eigen land of buiten de EU.

Als je tegen de 10k aanzit, hoef je alleen maar de EU landen uit te sluiten en
kan je nog gewoon doorverkopen in eigen land en buiten de EU.

Voor deze zekerheid, win informatie in bij de belastingdienst e/o je adviseur.
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In Catalog, Stellar writes:
  In Catalog, axaday writes:
  I really don’t see any need for the 45 or 33, even if they were accurate. No
one is using Lego to help with their math homework or to do technical drawings.
The footprint dimensions and the picture together ought to tell anyone what they
need to know.


There needs to be an indicator of the piece "slope" degree, even if not accurate,
but it serves to know which ones share the same angle.

IMO there does not... Slope 2 x 1 or Slope 3 x 1 says it all. No confusion about
the 45 or 33 (which is incorrect anyway).

  
  
In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
  I always assumed the 45 in Slope 45 means 45 degrees, and in Slope 33 it means
33 degrees, however if you calculate the exact degrees based on brick measures
it is not.

A standard 1 x 1 brick measures 7.9375 mm x 9.5250 mm (length/width x height
without the stud).

Building with Slope 45 bricks results in a slope of 50 degrees, not 45.
Building with Slope 33 bricks results in a slope of 31 degrees, not 33.

As is well know, assumptions are the mother of all f*ups, so I most likely assumed
wrong

Therefore... just curious, where do the 45 and 33 come from?

 
Part No: 3040  Name: Slope 45 2 x 1
* 
3040 Slope 45 2 x 1
Parts: Slope
 
Part No: 4286  Name: Slope 33 3 x 1
* 
4286 Slope 33 3 x 1
Parts: Slope
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You couldn't be more wrong
Remeasure and recalculate.

In Catalog, tEoS writes:
  You are correct. With my digital angle tool for wood trim, it appears to be
between 43 and 43.3 degrees.

The 33 1x3 is about 25.5 degrees.

  It has to be less than 45, not more than 45 because when I put two together (slope
to slope) I get an angle very slightly less than 90 degrees. This was the easiest
test for me to do. The measurement of the actual slope can not include the full
length and height, just the length and height of the part containing the actual
slope.
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In Catalog, Teup writes:
  In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
  LEGO got stuck with the lip height of 1.5870 which does not match e.g. a Plate,
just because they wanted a 45° angle at the start.

No, they didn't want that from the start, it's a logical result. That
lip is simply a panel width. Brick width + panel width = brick height. Removing
one panel width from the bottom of the brick and you're left with a perfect
cube. Then you cut the cube diagonally (=45 degrees) to get the slope.

A panel? Back in the old days when the Slope 45 was created there were no panels.
So, I don't think that was considered at all.

  
  Then the next Slope brick (known as Slope 33) was created with the same lip height.
Somehow this got called 33 on BrickLink, but it's not 33° but 31° close enough.

Hmm, I think it's like 26.57 degrees? 2 steps wide and 1 step high, that
gives a tangent of 0.5... calculator says that's 26.57 degrees...
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Thanks for all the replies, so now it seems that:

LEGO made the first Slope brick (known als Slope 45) where the slope itself is
as high as it is wide both 7.9375 mm resulting in 45° angle and a lip of 1.5870
mm and when building a roof resulting in 50° angle.

Then the next Slope brick (known as Slope 33) was created with the same lip height.
Somehow this got called 33 on BrickLink, but it's not 33° but 31° close enough.

LEGO got stuck with the lip height of 1.5870 which does not match e.g. a Plate,
just because they wanted a 45° angle at the start.

I was looking at Cobi parts, they made a different choice. They set the lip height
to Plate height, thus 3.1750 mm. Resulting in smoother models to be built with
these parts if put along side. This is how I got to my question.



In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
  I always assumed the 45 in Slope 45 means 45 degrees, and in Slope 33 it means
33 degrees, however if you calculate the exact degrees based on brick measures
it is not.

A standard 1 x 1 brick measures 7.9375 mm x 9.5250 mm (length/width x height
without the stud).

Building with Slope 45 bricks results in a slope of 50 degrees, not 45.
Building with Slope 33 bricks results in a slope of 31 degrees, not 33.

As is well know, assumptions are the mother of all f*ups, so I most likely assumed
wrong

Therefore... just curious, where do the 45 and 33 come from?

 
Part No: 3040  Name: Slope 45 2 x 1
* 
3040 Slope 45 2 x 1
Parts: Slope
 
Part No: 4286  Name: Slope 33 3 x 1
* 
4286 Slope 33 3 x 1
Parts: Slope
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In Catalog, peregrinator writes:
  In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
  In Catalog, BrickCompulsion writes:
  I presumed it was for 1 brick up for 1 stud along and then 1 brick up for 3 studs
length.

For a Slope 45 2 x 1 that would result in 1 up 1 along = 45 degrees
For a Slope 33 3 x 1 that would result in 1 up 2 along = 27 degrees, not 33


Or

  1 up 3 along = 18 degrees

Seems not to work like that

It works for that for 2x1 (45) and 4x1 (18) slopes, seems like 3x1 slopes are
the issue. I'd recommend against changing them now however

So it seems, the 33 is the odd exception. Hence the "confusion".
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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
  I always assumed the 45 in Slope 45 means 45 degrees, and in Slope 33 it means
33 degrees, however if you calculate the exact degrees based on brick measures
it is not.

A standard 1 x 1 brick measures 7.9375 mm x 9.5250 mm (length/width x height
without the stud).

You forgot about the lip (around 1.6mm), so the slope is ~8mm long and ~8mm high,
which makes it ~45°.


For just one slope it is ~45° but building a roof won't result in a roof
of ~45° due to the lip it will turn out to be 50°

  
(Skedadling before you think about apply the same reasoning to the 33 slope….)

Doesn't work for 33

  

  Building with Slope 45 bricks results in a slope of 50 degrees, not 45.
Building with Slope 33 bricks results in a slope of 31 degrees, not 33.

As is well know, assumptions are the mother of all f*ups, so I most likely assumed
wrong

Therefore... just curious, where do the 45 and 33 come from?

 
Part No: 3040  Name: Slope 45 2 x 1
* 
3040 Slope 45 2 x 1
Parts: Slope
 
Part No: 4286  Name: Slope 33 3 x 1
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4286 Slope 33 3 x 1
Parts: Slope
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In Catalog, BrickCompulsion writes:
  I presumed it was for 1 brick up for 1 stud along and then 1 brick up for 3 studs
length.

For a Slope 45 2 x 1 that would result in 1 up 1 along = 45 degrees
For a Slope 33 3 x 1 that would result in 1 up 2 along = 27 degrees, not 33
Or
1 up 3 along = 18 degrees

Seems not to work like that
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In Catalog, John_Miller writes:
  In Catalog, patpendlego writes:
  I always assumed the 45 in Slope 45 means 45 degrees, and in Slope 33 it means
33 degrees, however if you calculate the exact degrees based on brick measures
it is not.

A standard 1 x 1 brick measures 7.9375 mm x 9.5250 mm (length/width x height
without the stud).

Building with Slope 45 bricks results in a slope of 50 degrees, not 45.
Building with Slope 33 bricks results in a slope of 31 degrees, not 33.

As is well know, assumptions are the mother of all f*ups, so I most likely assumed
wrong

Therefore... just curious, where do the 45 and 33 come from?

 
Part No: 3040  Name: Slope 45 2 x 1
* 
3040 Slope 45 2 x 1
Parts: Slope
 
Part No: 4286  Name: Slope 33 3 x 1
* 
4286 Slope 33 3 x 1
Parts: Slope

I'm going with it's close enough to determine the difference in the slopes,
no need to be that accurate.

That seems rather likely. It also does not say 45º just 45. Then it is more like
a name/type to distinghuish then a number indicating something like degrees.

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