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Hello Everyone,

Today is my birthday and I wanted to celebrate with a sale.

Most everything will be 21% off or more.

Come check out my store!!!

Author:

yorbrick

Posted:

Jan 21, 2022 10:19

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Re: I paid VAT on buying, and VAT - philosophical?

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In Selling, StarBrick writes:

It is not just America and the UK, of course.

No it isn't indeed:

- China
- Brasil
- Mexico
- Australia

The list doesn't end fast unfortunately.

Indeed, there are the 27 EU nations to add to it.

Author:

popsicle

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Jan 21, 2022 10:15

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Re: manual invoice

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Payment Methods

In Payment Methods, Brickspert_AU writes:

In Payment Methods, popsicle writes:

In Payment Methods, Brickwilbo writes:

In Payment Methods, Brickspert_AU writes:

Hello all, hopefully someone can help me out.
Hopefully this is in the right place.
I am new and setting up my bricklink store, I would like to manually invoice
anyone who buys from me, just until I can work out all the postage costs that
I would have.

It's possible to have manual invoice without instant payment.
You can change the settings later.
Select Manual Invoice for each of your shipping methods.

Another question is how do I go about allowing cash payments on pick up for local
buyers as I have been selling individual pieces on facebook market place (people
send me their list of parts and I check if I have them and get back to them with
a cost) or is this not allowed?

It's not allowed to finish sales outside of Bricklink.

It's allowed to sell on other venues too.

It's not allowed if buyers and sellers meet on Bricklink and finish the deal
outside of Bricklink. Bricklink would be missing it's fees.

"There is no rule that says you can't sell what you have listed on BrickLink
some other way. Just don't be trying to convert BrickLink orders into non-BrickLink
orders. That would be fee circumvention."

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1213165

The reason I am asking about being able to accept cash payments is because through
my selling pieces on facebook market place and other avenues I have discovered
that the majority of people making large orders know of and use bricklink, and
so it would be nice (in my mind atlest) for me to be able to give them the option
to order through bricklink and then pay cash on pick up. I am happy to pay the
bricklink fees for those purchases.

I completely understand the sentiment. Personally, I like to push sales towards
BrickLink whenever possible. I have an affinity for the site, as a partner of
sorts. So I show loyalty as I would with any partner of mine. But that's
a personality thing, not a strict business decision. In other words, it's
not necessary "just don't convert BrickLink orders" as the Admin stated

another reason is if someone wants to pick up and pays but then doesn't actually
pick up I'm stuck holding their pieces or having to issue a refund, not sure
what is best there.

Give them a timeframe for pick-up, beyond which you'll ship the "unclaimed"
order to their registered BL address. Keep in mind though, with in-person pick
up for online transactions, you the seller, have no proof of delivery.

Allowing for in-person shopping is not my thing. But if that's what you're
interested in, you might tell them to bring additional cash in order to get that
ball roll'n. Build that local cash customer base, mentioned

Good luck and have fun!

-popsicle

Author:

Reki_Lobsheek

Posted:

Jan 21, 2022 10:03

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Re: I paid VAT on buying, and VAT again receiving

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Please check my previous posts on this: Customs do not check each and every parcel
that enters a member state. It's not even feasible to check 1% of all parcels
entering the EU.
Certain parcel get a red flag due certain parameters or even random checks but
99.999999% of all parcels are electronically handled by the postal services /
courriers.

As to your remark regarding the "obligation" to do this electronically, I'd
like to refer you to this page:
https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/news/new-form-customs-declaration-low-value-consignments-2019-07-11_en

It's an older page from the EC stating the companies should start developing
the necessary software to be able to declare H7 customs declarations.

So there is an obligation to declare low value shipments electronically:
From 1 January 2021 the existing VAT exemption for goods up to 22 € will disappear.
In order to allow VAT to be levied, all imports into the EU will have to be declared
at the border using an electronic customs declaration.

Full legislation:
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=uriserv

J.L_.2019.181.01.0002.01.ENG&toc=OJ:L:2019:181:TOC

You as a lay person are obviously under no obligation to fill in any kind of
customs declaration. That obligation lies solely with the entitiy shipping your
parcel and the company importing and delivering your package. You as a sender
are obligated to provide the necessary details to them to fill in any such form.
The CN22/CN23 form is nothing more than a summary of the declaration's details
on the outside of the parcel.
All those details (and often more) have been filled in already at that point
into a digital system as there doesn't exist a company on this planet that
would do this manually.

As to mentioning the IOSS nr: there isn't on obligation to use an IOSS nr,
period. Any European citizen is free to import (legal) goods without paying taxes
at checkout. There are still hundreds of thousands of webshops outthere who don't
use the IOSS functionality.
But IF you want to be able to benefit from such a system you need to provide
the necessary details to Customs at declaration level (meaning your shipper needs
to do this).
H7 is a highly simplified declaration system created to handle a huge amount
of parcels on a daily basis. Over 800 million such parcels pass Belgium each
year, can you imagine the nrs for countries like France or Germany?
It has been designed to work fast with little to no "wiggle room" for travesties
like IOSS not being properly handled.
As Calsbricks rightfully stated, it is still a heavy flawed system with various
results in each member state as far as I'm aware and which will create hiccups
until 2024-205 I'm afraid at this rate.

Just to be clear: it's not something I'm personally happy about. I have
had to pay double VAT twice now on American orders, so I do share the frustration
of many.

Erikk

In Selling, Llewyn writes:

Electronic interfaces refers to online marketplaces, it doesn't refer to
couriers.

I've seen nothing to indicate that the IOSS has to be communicated electronically,
except perhaps in individual member states' implementations of the directive.

You helpfully refer to the CN22/CN23, which is a paper document for customs inspection
which is required to be attached. You theoretically look at every single one
of those so yes, I would expect the IOSS inspection to happen (or realistically
not happen due to the volume issues you describe) in exactly the same way.

There is, as far as I'm aware, no requirement in EU legislation for the IOSS
number to be communicated electronically with the parcel.

Author:

StarBrick

Posted:

Jan 21, 2022 09:59

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Re: I paid VAT on buying, and VAT - philosophical?

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It is not just America and the UK, of course.

No it isn't indeed:

- China
- Brasil
- Mexico
- Australia

And it's not intended to offend US of UK, so sorry if that was felt.

The list doesn't end fast unfortunately.
It's a phase we need to go through to become aware that this isn't the
way to go. Takes a decade or two I guess....

Author:

yorbrick

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Jan 21, 2022 09:56

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Re: I paid VAT on buying, and VAT - philosophical?

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In Selling, StarBrick writes:

Protectionism is back in policy and business (as if it ever really left....).
Haven't you all noticed?

"Make America Great again"
"America First"
"Brexit"

It is not just America and the UK, of course.

Author:

peregrinator

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Jan 21, 2022 09:51

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Re: I paid VAT on buying, and VAT again receiving

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In Selling, yorbrick writes:

If people are expecting their postal services or courrier to manually check their
parcel for an IOSS nr on the CN22/CN23 slip they are not being realistic IMO.

Although they can of course assess by hand the (double) tax on all those parcels,
from written (not electronic) documentation that was included on the parcel.

At the very least there should be an appeals process. Something like: "I was
charged VAT twice despite the required IOSS number being on the CN22/CN23 slip
on my package." "OK, please submit a scan of the slip."

Author:

yorbrick

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Jan 21, 2022 09:48

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As I've said before: there's no entity that could work through the amount
of parcels arriving daily by hand. You'd need a workforce of at least 10000
people checking parcels 24/7. Or people should expcect delivery times of up to
2 years

If people are expecting their postal services or courrier to manually check their
parcel for an IOSS nr on the CN22/CN23 slip they are not being realistic IMO.

Although they can of course assess by hand the (double) tax on all those parcels,
from written (not electronic) documentation that was included on the parcel.

Author:

Reki_Lobsheek

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Jan 21, 2022 09:42

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Could not agree more with you, unfortunately

Erikk

In Selling, calsbricks writes:

Design is one side of this issue - the other and perhaps more important is the
implementation. Trying to coordinate the rest of the world to a EU specific
system has not gone well. Some areas seem okay and others are a long way short.
And that is with or without an electronic version.

Overall a score of very low for the overall project.

Author:

StarBrick

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Jan 21, 2022 09:39

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