Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | popsicle  | | Posted: | Jul 28, 2021 16:28 | | Subject: | Re: Lego Resellers vs. The AFOL Community | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Announce | |
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| In Announce, psusaxman2000 writes:
| | I've only been part of this community for about 1.5 years and joined here
when I personally dove back into the LEGO community during the pandemic. I grew
up with Lego in my home and was always happy to have a new set (new to me personally)
for a holiday, birthday or whatever. As an adult now with a child, I'm
happy to be able to provide the same experiences for my daughter as she has grown
to love and enjoy a toy as much as I still do and we get to enjoy this hobby
together. What I've found recently is that there is a lot of animosity when
people tend to not get or find what they want. To me it sometimes feels like
a sense of entitlement and not realizing that you can't always get what you
want. Are there individuals that try to take advantage of the system, yes, always,
but the majority of the time, that's not the case.
I never joined this community with the intent of becoming a seller. I raided
my old collection that was still at my parents house trying to clean up space
and handing some down to my niece and nephew. In reviewing all these sets I
found that I had missing parts and that's when BL came into my life. From
there it was a matter of collecting the missing parts and reliving my childhood
over again. I found that I had extras and in collecting from some local yard
sales I just use BL to supplement my ability to purchase new sets for myself
and my daughter.
Over this time, I have similar interactions to the ones you've called out,
and at this point just come to realized that with any other social media type
thing, there are always both sides to each community and they will make themselves
loud and clear when they don't like something. To me it's just a byproduct
of the time and when they don't get what they want it will always come out.
Case and point is the BL Designer Program.
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Enjoyable read. Thanks
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| Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Jul 28, 2021 16:09 | | Subject: | Re: Lego Resellers vs. The AFOL Community | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | Announce | |
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| In Announce, firestar246 writes:
| | In Announce, patpendlego writes:
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Yes, and that same profit is killing our planet. Because all profit eventually
is made on natural resoources taken from our planet at low or no cost at all,
harming nature, killing woods, animals, plants, etc.
Buiness may survice on profit, our planet is not.
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Don't want to get into this hornets nest, but just want to point out that
every item you mentioned is a renewable resource and are being renewed. It doesn't
help out a lumber company if they destroy all the trees, as that would then end
their business pretty quickly. So the good companies will make sure they don't
just destroy, but rather harvest and replenish.
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Well put.
Timberland, much of which is owned and managed by Indian tribes, have been historically
some of the healthiest forests we have in the Pacific Northwest, for us to enjoy.
Least prone to wildfires too.
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| Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Jul 28, 2021 16:06 | | Subject: | Re: Lego Resellers vs. The AFOL Community | | Viewed: | 77 times | | Topic: | Announce | |
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| In Announce, patpendlego writes:
| | In Announce, firestar246 writes:
| | In Announce, patpendlego writes:
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Yes, and that same profit is killing our planet. Because all profit eventually
is made on natural resoources taken from our planet at low or no cost at all,
harming nature, killing woods, animals, plants, etc.
Buiness may survice on profit, our planet is not.
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Don't want to get into this hornets nest, but just want to point out that
every item you mentioned is a renewable resource and are being renewed. It doesn't
help out a lumber company if they destroy all the trees,
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But that is exactly what is happening! The rainforests are largly gone and NOT
renewable anymore, only and only for short term profit.
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True. And a prime example of the havoc narrow-minded, short-term gain driven
men are able to reap. Unfortunately, there are plenty of other such examples
throughout our history. Which spotlights our primal nature when it's let
off the leash, not curtailed.
Profit per se, is not the boogie man in your example. It's human nature denied
and therefore unmanaged. IMHO
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as that would then end
| | their business pretty quickly. So the good companies will make sure they don't
just destroy, but rather harvest and replenish.
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Every company must first make profit before they can renew what they used, and
no company has ever renewed ALL or even MORE than they destroyed. There is no
perpetual mobile.
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| Author: | zorbanj | | Posted: | Jul 28, 2021 15:37 | | Subject: | Re: Lego Resellers vs. The AFOL Community | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Announce | |
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| In Announce, psusaxman2000 writes:
| | To me it sometimes feels like a sense of entitlement and not realizing that you can't always get what you want.
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But if you try sometimes, well, you might find you get what you need.
Sorry, I couldn't resist 
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| Author: | waltzking | | Posted: | Jul 28, 2021 15:35 | | Subject: | Re: Lego Resellers vs. The AFOL Community | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Announce | |
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| In Announce, crimson30 writes:
| | How are schools indoctrinating youth against capitalism?
Do you have any specific examples?
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I could really get off topic here, but just try looking at the curriculum being
taught and compare it to that from 20-30 years ago. History events are changed
or omitted, key "fathers of communism" figures are now celebrated in countries
formerly known as capitalistic or free market. Couple with what students really
know (if you take the time to talk to any and dig for depth of knowledge in conversation)
and you'll find the vast differences in education in just the last few decades.
That's just the tip of the iceberg, but this forum isn't the place for
the topic beyond how it relates to our interactions now as sellers, buyers and
collectors from largely opposite economic world views. But is key IMO to understanding
why these vastly opposite and even angry interactions are occurring with consumers
faulting the profits of a reseller as immoral, when the original seller made
just as much if not more profit to start with. The lack of logic in such a view
is astounding.
Jonathan
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| Author: | calebfishn | | Posted: | Jul 28, 2021 15:33 | | Subject: | Re: Lego Resellers vs. The AFOL Community | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Announce | |
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| Profit is not harming the planet. Exploitation is.
There are command and control economies in various totalitarian states of the
world in which the profit motive is reduced. Are those economies less harmful
to the environment, or more harmful?
Is it better for a society to convert forests into charcoal to be used for cooking,
and thus pollute the atmosphere with carbon smoke, or for an enterprising person
to invest in developing cleaner forms of energy that benefit people and the environment
in exchange for a profit/return on her investment? People are not going to invest
the time and money needed to bring environment-saving technological improvements
without getting a return on their investment.
Without profit motive we are left with two alternatives: Coercion by the more
powerful to force the less powerful to "work" without profit, or a global return
to a hunter-gatherer society.
Which one of the two do you advocate?
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| Author: | leggodtshop | | Posted: | Jul 28, 2021 15:24 | | Subject: | Re: Lego Resellers vs. The AFOL Community | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Announce | |
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| In Announce, firestar246 writes:
| | In Announce, patpendlego writes:
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Yes, and that same profit is killing our planet. Because all profit eventually
is made on natural resoources taken from our planet at low or no cost at all,
harming nature, killing woods, animals, plants, etc.
Buiness may survice on profit, our planet is not.
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Don't want to get into this hornets nest, but just want to point out that
every item you mentioned is a renewable resource and are being renewed. It doesn't
help out a lumber company if they destroy all the trees,
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But that is exactly what is happening! The rainforests are largly gone and NOT
renewable anymore, only and only for short term profit.
as that would then end
| | their business pretty quickly. So the good companies will make sure they don't
just destroy, but rather harvest and replenish.
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Every company must first make profit before they can renew what they used, and
no company has ever renewed ALL or even MORE than they destroyed. There is no
perpetual mobile.
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| Author: | tons_of_bricks | | Posted: | Jul 28, 2021 15:17 | | Subject: | Re: Lego Resellers vs. The AFOL Community | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Announce | |
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| In Announce, patpendlego writes:
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Yes, and that same profit is killing our planet. Because all profit eventually
is made on natural resoources taken from our planet at low or no cost at all,
harming nature, killing woods, animals, plants, etc.
Buiness may survice on profit, our planet is not.
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Don't want to get into this hornets nest, but just want to point out that
every item you mentioned is a renewable resource and are being renewed. It doesn't
help out a lumber company if they destroy all the trees, as that would then end
their business pretty quickly. So the good companies will make sure they don't
just destroy, but rather harvest and replenish.
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| Author: | leggodtshop | | Posted: | Jul 28, 2021 15:06 | | Subject: | Re: Lego Resellers vs. The AFOL Community | | Viewed: | 74 times | | Topic: | Announce | |
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| In Announce, firestar246 writes:
| | In Announce, psusaxman2000 writes:
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What I've found recently is that there is a lot of animosity when
people tend to not get or find what they want. To me it sometimes feels like
a sense of entitlement and not realizing that you can't always get what you
want.
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That's the big issue right there, at least in my opinion.
People don't seem to understand the importance of profit anymore. They think
that if someone buys something to resell it at a higher value, that they are
cheaters, scammers, scalpers. They don't seem to understand that profit is
needed for a business to survive.
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Yes, and that same profit is killing our planet. Because all profit eventually
is made on natural resoources taken from our planet at low or no cost at all,
harming nature, killing woods, animals, plants, etc.
Buiness may survice on profit, our planet is not.
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| Author: | tons_of_bricks | | Posted: | Jul 28, 2021 15:03 | | Subject: | Re: Lego Resellers vs. The AFOL Community | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Announce | |
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| In Announce, calebfishn writes:
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Profit is not only needed for the survival of an individual business, it is essential
for making any type of consumer good dependably available and affordable. Just
think about Soviet Russia in the 1970's where people lined up for hours hoping
to find a loaf of bread and a bottle of vodka on the grocery store shelves. Without
incentive, people are not going to work at making consumer goods available and
affordable. Without the ability to profit from their work, Bricklink sellers
would not be spending hours sourcing, sorting, and listing parts for the AFOL
community to purchase. The variety of parts and sets available on Bricklink would
be much less and pricing would be variable and unpredictable.
For those who think that profit is immoral when it comes from selling toys, let's
all be thankful that Lego doesn't think that way, or we'd have no lego
at all.
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This is what I like about (most) of the sellers here: they actually have a head
on their shoulders and a brain in it.  You hit the nail on the head.
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