Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | Admin_Russell  | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 11:27 | | Subject: | Re: New Packing Dimensions Feature | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Brick.Door writes:
| | For parts is the z dimension the height? Because I looked at 1x1x5 brick and
the height is .8 cm. The actual height was entered as the y dimension.
Or is the z dimension the smallest? So that it can be used to determine whether
the item will fit in a thin envelope. In that case there are many entries that
need to be changed.
Before all the work of populating part dimensions i think we need to figure out
how it is going to be used.
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Many of the currently entered Packing Dimensions were mass imported from LDraw
data when Instant Checkout was implemented in 2017. These measurements have no
user credit - that is how you can tell where they came from.
Things were done that way to get the system up and running quickly, but at this
point we need to refine the data. I am outlining the submission rules on the
Help page, but essentially what they say is this - for parts, use the stud dimensions
to determine the order of the fields. Where there are no stud dimensions, add
dimensions in whichever order you wish.
So please submit a correction to that data. It is very likely there is more wrong
than just the order of the fields.
Instant Checkout will work no matter what order the data is in, but when stud
and metric dimensions are listed together, it makes sense that the fields line
up.
The Z dimension should always mean height / thickness according to the rules
for stud dimensions.
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 11:16 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Minifig sw0100 | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, dcarmine writes:
| | Then why is the figure pic in DK OG? The set pic and box image also have it
as DK OG?
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There are many official set images and box images that show things that were
never included in the sets, but our guideline is to *not* alter official set
images or box images. However, we can change the figure image. There just happens
to be another image attached to that figure that shows the correct hair, so we
will just remove the image with dark orange hair. The image for the figure with
cape is already correct, also.
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| Author: | Brick.Door | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 11:04 | | Subject: | Re: New Packing Dimensions Feature | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| For parts is the z dimension the height? Because I looked at 1x1x5 brick and
the height is .8 cm. The actual height was entered as the y dimension.
Or is the z dimension the smallest? So that it can be used to determine whether
the item will fit in a thin envelope. In that case there are many entries that
need to be changed.
Before all the work of populating part dimensions i think we need to figure out
how it is going to be used.
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| Author: | brickerking | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 11:00 | | Subject: | Re: New Packing Dimensions Feature | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | Personally, I would encourage you to spend 100% of your measurement submissions on actual dimensions at this point, and not worry about the studs.
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Yay, this makes sense! You can always perform a calculation on the server side
to display stud dimensions. Entering a real unit of measurement on the user/data
entry side is a great improvement!
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| Author: | tec | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 10:56 | | Subject: | Re: New Packing Dimensions Feature | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| | Good to know |
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| Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 10:48 | | Subject: | Re: New Packing Dimensions Feature | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, cosmicray writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | Just to note, you have snipped the image starting with the 2x4 brick but not
included its dimensions. I got confused with the first set of dimensions x, y
and z until I realised they are for the slope and not the brick.
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Sorry about that. Here is another screenshot:
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An observation, and not a criticism, the Z dimension (on the brick and the slope)
correctly includes the height of the stud on top, and because of that is not
directly convertible into brick heights (when measured in brick units). This
is because assembled bricks nest the stud within the bottom of the above brick.
And, as we all know, no one ever ships bricks assembled (but see below).
Which also, causes the rather oblique situation of hips/legs (which have studs
on top) and torsos, to not add up correctly in the Z direction, because of being
shipped individually.
Somewhere in all this (part II or part III ?) we need to address the issue I
pointed out a couple of weeks back about part-assemblies (e.g. wheels and tires)
and how they are measured for X+Y+Z and if assembling them is required.
Nita Rae
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There is no relationship or dependency between the two types of dimensions
- stud and metric. I know in the past that stud dimensions were used to give
an estimate of actual metric size, but we don't want to do that now.
I will continue adding examples of how we want you to measure things for the
catalog. It's going to be a long Help page!
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| Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 10:44 | | Subject: | Re: New Packing Dimensions Feature | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, tec writes:
| | Update:
Many of my measurements got rejected
Is it because of fractions? (0.5 0.66 ..)
My example was:
* | | 44567b Hinge Plate 1 x 2 Locking with 1 Finger on Side without Bottom Groove
Parts: Hinge |
where W=1.67
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They were rejected because we do not accept stud dimensions on non-standard parts.
Especially now that we have actual metric values being added, there is no need
to find the stud dimensions for weird shapes.
In fact, we are considering hiding stud dimensions altogether, or moving them
to a separate info tab to keep people from being confused. Almost all pertinent
stud information is contained in the item name anyway.
Of course, it is a bit subjective whether a part is "weird" enough to not have
stud dimensions, but that is up to the catalog admin handling the request. Personally,
I would encourage you to spend 100% of your measurement submissions on actual
dimensions at this point, and not worry about the studs.
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| Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 08:31 | | Subject: | Re: New Packing Dimensions Feature | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Brick.Door writes:
| | In Catalog, Emporiosa writes:
| | In Catalog, Brick.Door writes:
| | How will this be used? Will we be able to set up a shipping method that is only
allowed if all pieces are under a certain thickness? (i.i USPS large envelope/flat)
So the checkout would need to find the smallest of the three dimensions for each
element in the cart, and make sure it is below the threshold.
Or is it just to better approximate the total volume of the order?
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It's already very much in use with Canadians sellers; it can jump from a
$1.94 stamp to $22 if the part is over 20mm in thickness. Canadian sellers have
been manually putting in the packaging dimensions for every oversized item (and
setting those items to Volume based).
What you do is set the packaging limits (if you have any for USPS) in the shipping
option like you mentioned, and it ensures that if there's a thickness maximum
(like the 20mm in Canada for Lettermail), that no part has any dimension that
goes over that. There's also general volumetric dimensions that you can set
where it's to try to calculate if "that much LEGO" can fit into what you
gave it, but I'm not entirely sure how well this part works.
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So you have to exclude a part with any dimension over 20mm? That doesn't
seem like it would work very well. A 1x6x5 brick can easily fit but only one
of its dimensions is less than 20mm.
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Believe it or not, the correct answer to this question also involves orientation
within the envelope when shipped. If you put solid bricks (or any part) in the
envelope with the wrong orientation, then it becomes what is known as a nonmachinable
letter. It all has to do with what USPS (and likely Canada Post) normally
expect letter mail to be subjected to when it goes through the processing equipment.
See this passage in Postal Explorer for a better detail of the requirements (DMM
101.1.2) …
https://pe.usps.com/text/DMM300/101.htm?q=diameter&h=diameter&t=H&s=R&p=1&c=DMM|QSG
There are even a few USB thumb drives that are thin enough to get thru letter
mail, but you need a thin cardboard frame to keep them oriented correctly.
Nita Rae
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| Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 08:18 | | Subject: | Re: New Packing Dimensions Feature | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | In Catalog, calsbricks writes:
| | In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | In Catalog, tec writes:
| | My friend here likes this post
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That's a beauty! I definitely need one of those.
Jen
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Or you might want one of these 
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Nope, I'm old-school analog all the way! Here's my scale....lol.
Jen
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I'll see you ancient balance scale, and raise you a couple of USPS built
to last 100 years heavy duty scales. Both are in daily use in the Cosmic
Toys shipping department …
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| Author: | tec | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 08:04 | | Subject: | Re: New Packing Dimensions Feature | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| Update:
Many of my measurements got rejected
Is it because of fractions? (0.5 0.66 ..)
My example was:
* | | 44567b Hinge Plate 1 x 2 Locking with 1 Finger on Side without Bottom Groove
Parts: Hinge |
where W=1.67
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| Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 07:52 | | Subject: | Re: New Packing Dimensions Feature | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | Just to note, you have snipped the image starting with the 2x4 brick but not
included its dimensions. I got confused with the first set of dimensions x, y
and z until I realised they are for the slope and not the brick.
|
Sorry about that. Here is another screenshot:
|
An observation, and not a criticism, the Z dimension (on the brick and the slope)
correctly includes the height of the stud on top, and because of that is not
directly convertible into brick heights (when measured in brick units). This
is because assembled bricks nest the stud within the bottom of the above brick.
And, as we all know, no one ever ships bricks assembled (but see below).
Which also, causes the rather oblique situation of hips/legs (which have studs
on top) and torsos, to not add up correctly in the Z direction, because of being
shipped individually.
Somewhere in all this (part II or part III ?) we need to address the issue I
pointed out a couple of weeks back about part-assemblies (e.g. wheels and tires)
and how they are measured for X+Y+Z and if assembling them is required.
Nita Rae
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| Author: | msSquirrel | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 07:34 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 9217-1 | | Viewed: | 14 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 9 Part 76371 Red Duplo, Brick 1 x 2 x 2 with Bottom Tube (Alternate)
Comments from Submitter:
sealed set content
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 05:40 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 9794-3 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 2 Part Black {6048 Arm Piece with Pin, 2 Fingers to 6048b Arm Piece with Pin, 2 Fingers and Finger Grooves}
* Change 2 Part Black {4085b Plate, Modified 1 x 1 with U Clip Thin (Vertical Grip) to 4085c Plate, Modified 1 x 1 with U Clip Thick (Vertical Grip)}
Comments from Submitter:
Both of Jonas' notes on this set turned out right.
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 05:38 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 9794-3 | | Viewed: | 16 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, axaday writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:
| | I would guess
[p=6048]
is in fact
* | | 6048b Arm Piece with Pin, 2 Fingers and Finger Grooves
Parts: Arm |
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My picture came out terribly but it is good enough. Are the "grooves" the indentation
in my white circle in the pic?
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Yes.
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Then you went 2/2.
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| Author: | Turez | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 02:51 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 9794-3 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, axaday writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:
| | I would guess
[p=6048]
is in fact
* | | 6048b Arm Piece with Pin, 2 Fingers and Finger Grooves
Parts: Arm |
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My picture came out terribly but it is good enough. Are the "grooves" the indentation
in my white circle in the pic?
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Yes.
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| Author: | dcarmine | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 00:42 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Minifig sw0100 | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, infinibrix writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, dcarmine writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part 3901 Dark Nougat Minifigure, Hair Male
* Add 1 Part 3901 Dark Orange Minifigure, Hair Male
Comments from Submitter:
I have an original figure, and I know what dark orange looks like.
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But do you know what Dark Nougat looks like? 
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Yes I do.
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This is the only hairpiece ever made in Dark Nougat (and is one of the only pieces
known to exist in Dark Nougat), and Dark Nougat is very similar to Dark Orange.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126975831@N07/14890173099/
And this set definitely came with that hairpiece in Dark Nougat. (The official
LEGO data for this set confirms this as it also says it came with Dark Nougat
hair.)
If your original figure came from a sealed set with *true* Dark Orange hair,
then another minifigure will need to be created instead of altering the inventory
of this one.
Cheers,
Randy
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also just to add that within that same set it actually comes with Kenobi with
hair described as Dark Orange and then the Anakin hair is officially described
differently as:-
Color Orange-brown
Description Dark Nougat
I'm not sure why Lego use two colour references for that same part but its
certainly intended to be different to Dark Orange thats for sure
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I just checked my fig and you are right, it's Dark Nougat.
Then why is the figure pic in DK OG? The set pic and box image also have it
as DK OG?
Any new sellers that sees that pic will think it is DK OG.
So now you will ask me to provide a new pic, with and without cape? I'll
try to get to it.
Thanks for the "schooling".
Donna
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| Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Apr 7, 2021 00:34 | | Subject: | Re: New Packing Dimensions Feature | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | Can we turn it back to mm like it has always been?
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Actually, cm is the original standard of the site. Is there any particular reason
you prefer mm?
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That's what I've been doing the whole time with the packaging dimensions.
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They are actually still stored in the system as mm, but we didn't want the
catalog upload forms to use two different measurement standards. All of the dimensions
you entered through the Forum Topic are still in the system and attributed to
your username. They are displayed as cm, though, on the catalog detail page.
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Apr 6, 2021 23:53 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 5972-1 | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 2 Part Black {4623 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Bar Arm Up (Undetermined Horizontal Arm Length) to 4623a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Bar Arm Up (Horizontal Arm 6mm)}
Comments from Submitter:
From my personal collection. The set was bought new and never mixed with other sets.
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Apr 6, 2021 23:40 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 5971-1 | | Viewed: | 20 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 2 Part Yellow {4623 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Bar Arm Up (Undetermined Horizontal Arm Length) to 4623a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Bar Arm Up (Horizontal Arm 6mm)}
Comments from Submitter:
From my personal collection. The set was bought new and never mixed with other sets.
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Apr 6, 2021 23:29 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 8091-1 | | Viewed: | 19 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 3 Part Dark Red {3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud, Jumper (Undetermined Bottom Type) to 3794a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud without Groove (Jumper)}
* Change 2 Part Light Bluish Gray {44302 Hinge Plate 1 x 2 Locking with 2 Fingers on End (Undetermined Type) to 44302a Hinge Plate 1 x 2 Locking with 2 Fingers on End and 9 Teeth with Bottom Groove}
Comments from Submitter:
From my personal collection. The set was bought new and never mixed with other sets.
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Apr 6, 2021 23:20 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 7312-1 | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 3 Part Black {6628 Technic, Pin with Friction Ridges Lengthwise and Tow Ball (Undetermined Hole Type) to 6628b Technic, Pin with Friction Ridges Lengthwise and Tow Ball with Squared Pin Hole}
Comments from Submitter:
From my personal collection. The set was bought new and never mixed with other sets.
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Apr 6, 2021 22:42 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 3807-1 | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, samsam2 writes:
| | Randy, since you have just reviewed 'extras' from this set, are both
of these part of the build? I can only find one in the instructions.
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There are a number of parts in the set that are not used in the main build but
are included for "inspiration". This parts was one of those. Every Spybotics
set came with two of them.
| | Could the quantity have originally been mixed up with this?
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Nope.
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Apr 6, 2021 22:39 | | Subject: | Re: New Packing Dimensions Feature | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | Can we turn it back to mm like it has always been?
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Actually, cm is the original standard of the site. Is there any particular reason
you prefer mm?
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That's what I've been doing the whole time with the packaging dimensions.
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| Author: | samsam2 | | Posted: | Apr 6, 2021 22:27 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 3807-1 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| Randy, since you have just reviewed 'extras' from this set, are both
of these part of the build? I can only find one in the instructions.
Could the quantity have originally been mixed up with this?
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Apr 6, 2021 22:11 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 6239-1 | | Viewed: | 18 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part Red {4623 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Bar Arm Up (Undetermined Horizontal Arm Length) to 4623a Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Bar Arm Up (Horizontal Arm 6mm)}
Comments from Submitter:
From my personal collection. The set was bought new and never mixed with other sets.
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