Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies Author: | psusaxman2000 | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 17:46 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 30 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| In Suggestions, TBS writes:
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Here is SOME more silly Lego-Colour-Names:
Sand Yellow/Dark Tan
Warm Gold/Pearl Gold
Bright Bluish Green/Dark Turquoise
Earth Blue/Dark Blue
Flame Yellowish Orange/Bright Light Orange
Bright Orange/Orange
Brick Yellow/Tan
When it comes to User-friendly, one should skip this idea already.
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To understand user friendly you have to think like a newbie besides whilst you
may hate all those colour names at least they are official colour names
Dark Bluish Grey is certainly no better and yet its not even an official Lego
term?
I would'nt mind but I'm pretty much only talking about adjusting the
names of the greys not the entire colour pallete!
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To your point, I do still consider myself a newbie. While I joined almost a
year ago, I'm still finding my way around here and getting familiar. That
being said, no matter if you set them to new, old, light, bright or bluish, there
is a learning curve for everyone. If you are getting into the hobby or shopping
for parts or just trying to off load your life's collection, any hobby will
have it's gotcha points. While these two colors may be the ones in question
now, the point of what to call them still would require significant work on both
maintenance and seller to adjust. Is there really that much of a need or more
of a convenience?
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Author: | infinibrix | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 17:26 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 37 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, TBS writes:
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Here is SOME more silly Lego-Colour-Names:
Sand Yellow/Dark Tan
Warm Gold/Pearl Gold
Bright Bluish Green/Dark Turquoise
Earth Blue/Dark Blue
Flame Yellowish Orange/Bright Light Orange
Bright Orange/Orange
Brick Yellow/Tan
When it comes to User-friendly, one should skip this idea already.
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To understand user friendly you have to think like a newbie besides whilst you
may hate all those colour names at least they are official colour names
Dark Bluish Grey is certainly no better and yet its not even an official Lego
term?
I would'nt mind but I'm pretty much only talking about adjusting the
names of the greys not the entire colour pallete!
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Author: | infinibrix | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 17:07 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 38 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, calebfishn writes:
| Please do not start changing the existing colour names.
I am not interested in whatever Lego officially calls colours. I just need to
know what Bricklink calls them, so that I can list parts for sale, and purchase
parts on Bricklink. I don't think I am unique in this matter.
As a person living with a form of colour blindness, let me tell you that all
the fancy names that colorists come up with do not help me at all. I just want
to know, "Is that thing basically blue? Or is it red?" Spare me the "August
Sunset", "Sea Foam" and "Dusty Rose" type of labels. What the heck is "azure"
anyway?
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Are you sure your not living with regular blindness only if you read my original
post you'd realise that I'm talking about simplifying colour names not
fancying them up?
| The only reason to pursue congruence with Lego's system is to make things
simpler. I don't see much evidence that will be the result of tinkering around
with colour names we've all memorized over the past decade or so.
Please. Do Not do it. Just don't.
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Author: | infinibrix | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 16:58 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 40 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?
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We have considered harmonization of colors in the past, and we continue to do
so. But one thing I will mention is that the word "OLD" is likely not a term
we will include in Item Names or Color Names.
On BrickLink, the color and item name are often concatenated, meaning they are
stuck together for use as a single term. The official color numbers of Modulex
were removed from the color name for this very reason, to keep people from getting
confused.
And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea. When we speak to internal folks, they tend to use
the numbers instead of the names, so there is value in those numbers.
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I appreciate your response Russell.... As far as the number references go I’m
not familiar with them enough to comment myself but I guess having extra references
that accompany colour names can only be a good thing if it leads to a further
means of colour identification
That said I’m probably more likely to rely on the actual colour name descriptions
but who knows if I start to memorize the number references I may start to rely
on them on a more ongoing basis
Either way what is it about ‘old’ in the colour names that Bricklink doesn’t
like?
That aside the main focus of my attention was about giving the Bluish greys a
more appropriate name as nobody would initially expect these to be catalogued
under bluish grey? And since they are now Legos main staple grey colours and
will probably remain so for long into the foreseeable future it stands to reason
that we should attempt to given them a more appropriate and simple description
of Light/Dark grey Obviously doing this would cause issues with the older existing
greys in the catalog hence the reason I felt the need to try and address this
issue with the 'ol'd tag but to be honest I wouldn’t really care what
we called them be that Yellowed Grey, Dull grey, Storm cloud Grey, because they
are not so widely/commonly used anymore in comparison to the newer established
greys
Also if we managed to change all the flesh colours to nougat it’s not as if it
couldn’t be done if you wanted it to happen?
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Author: | LordSkylark | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 16:32 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 42 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| Can we use both Lego and bricklink color names simultaneously, or the user can
choose an option which to use?
In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?
|
We have considered harmonization of colors in the past, and we continue to do
so. But one thing I will mention is that the word "OLD" is likely not a term
we will include in Item Names or Color Names.
On BrickLink, the color and item name are often concatenated, meaning they are
stuck together for use as a single term. The official color numbers of Modulex
were removed from the color name for this very reason, to keep people from getting
confused.
And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea. When we speak to internal folks, they tend to use
the numbers instead of the names, so there is value in those numbers.
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Author: | brickerking | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 16:14 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 46 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea. When we speak to internal folks, they tend to use
the numbers instead of the names, so there is value in those numbers.
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LEGO colour designations and numbers were designed for manufacturing (I assume),
not collection or reselling. Bricklink designations and coding were designed
(I assume) for the collector or reseller. These are two different systems which
may not (and maybe should not) be compatable. I don't think we have to force
a square peg into a round hole.
To the OP, I also don't think light bluish gray is the biggest stumbling
block for new users. Yes, it may be a small learning curve, but certainly not
the first area I would work on to make the site more user friendly. And... it
doesn't bother me as a seller anymore.
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Author: | SylvainLS | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 16:12 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 28 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, psusaxman2000 writes:
| […]
Just to piggy back off of this, if you switch the ids in the back end, would
that require everyone that uses the API to upload parts to modify all that tools,
calls and what have you? I'm pretty sure that all that hash mapping in the
back end uses the id numbers currently to specify the color so this would be
a hard impact on users adding parts.
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Yes, I’m about sure the BL numbers/codes are just the IDs in the database (it
would be surprising if the colours had a separate ID linking to both the “name”
and the “code,” so the “code” is the ID).
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Author: | SylvainLS | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 16:09 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 37 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, calebfishn writes:
| […]
As a person living with a form of colour blindness, let me tell you that all
the fancy names that colorists come up with do not help me at all. I just want
to know, "Is that thing basically blue? Or is it red?" Spare me the "August
Sunset", "Sea Foam" and "Dusty Rose" type of labels.
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One doesn’t need to be colour blind to realize these names are marketting names.
Or rather, maybe your colour blindness made you believe colour names (even “simpler”
ones) had any real objective meaning while they don’t
It’s all arbitrary, historical, and mangled by translations and language evolution.
| What the heck is "azure" anyway?
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”From Middle English asure, from Old French azur, derived from Arabic لَازَوَرْد
(lāzaward, “lapis lazuli”), dropping the l as if it were equivalent to the French
article l'. The Arabic is from Persian لاجورد (lâjvard, “lapis lazuli”),
from the region of Lajward in Turkestan.”
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/azure
So it’s was the name of the region were a stone first (or most) originated.
But no one cares about that anymore, like no one cares “green” is akin to “grow”
(plants grow and plants are green).
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Author: | popsicle | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 16:09 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 47 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, calebfishn writes:
| Please do not start changing the existing colour names.
I am not interested in whatever Lego officially calls colours. I just need to
know what Bricklink calls them, so that I can list parts for sale, and purchase
parts on Bricklink. I don't think I am unique in this matter.
As a person living with a form of colour blindness, let me tell you that all
the fancy names that colorists come up with do not help me at all. I just want
to know, "Is that thing basically blue? Or is it red?" Spare me the "August
Sunset", "Sea Foam" and "Dusty Rose" type of labels.
|
How do you feel about your next brick color, Dark Turquoise or Bright Bluish
Green?
| What the heck is "azure" anyway?
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Dark Azure? Well, it's kinda like Tiny-Medium Blue, which I'm sure you're
well familiar with
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Author: | psusaxman2000 | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 15:55 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 28 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
| In Suggestions, axaday writes:
| […]
| And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea. When we speak to internal folks, they tend to use
the numbers instead of the names, so there is value in those numbers.
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Would that move the giant modulex gap out of my color chart?
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Well, in a sense it would because LEGO didn’t always give different numbers for
Modulex colours when they were the same as already existing colours (a colour
is a colour, Modulex or not)… but they also used the same numbers for different
colours (e.g. 3 is “normal” Light Yellow AND Modulex Black).
http://www.ryanhowerter.net/colors.php
| Does Lego use every number sequentially?
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It seems LEGO used numbers sequentially as they were needed but there are unexplained
holes (no 51-79, no 92-99, etc.) and what I think are “never used colours” or
“not used yet colours” (e.g. 361 & 365, missing opal colours?).
Also that doesn’t address the many-to-one, one-to-many, many-to-many relations
between BL and LEGO colours.
And, finally, it would ruin a tonload of files that use BL’s numbering. Wanted
Lists and Inventories that use the BL numbers but also all the compatibility
databases out there.
So I’d say: not a good idea.
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Just to piggy back off of this, if you switch the ids in the back end, would
that require everyone that uses the API to upload parts to modify all that tools,
calls and what have you? I'm pretty sure that all that hash mapping in the
back end uses the id numbers currently to specify the color so this would be
a hard impact on users adding parts.
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Author: | calebfishn | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 15:47 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 48 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| Please do not start changing the existing colour names.
I am not interested in whatever Lego officially calls colours. I just need to
know what Bricklink calls them, so that I can list parts for sale, and purchase
parts on Bricklink. I don't think I am unique in this matter.
As a person living with a form of colour blindness, let me tell you that all
the fancy names that colorists come up with do not help me at all. I just want
to know, "Is that thing basically blue? Or is it red?" Spare me the "August
Sunset", "Sea Foam" and "Dusty Rose" type of labels. What the heck is "azure"
anyway?
The only reason to pursue congruence with Lego's system is to make things
simpler. I don't see much evidence that will be the result of tinkering around
with colour names we've all memorized over the past decade or so.
Please. Do Not do it. Just don't.
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Author: | SylvainLS | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 15:44 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 29 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, axaday writes:
| […]
| And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea. When we speak to internal folks, they tend to use
the numbers instead of the names, so there is value in those numbers.
|
Would that move the giant modulex gap out of my color chart?
|
Well, in a sense it would because LEGO didn’t always give different numbers for
Modulex colours when they were the same as already existing colours (a colour
is a colour, Modulex or not)… but they also used the same numbers for different
colours (e.g. 3 is “normal” Light Yellow AND Modulex Black).
http://www.ryanhowerter.net/colors.php
| Does Lego use every number sequentially?
|
It seems LEGO used numbers sequentially as they were needed but there are unexplained
holes (no 51-79, no 92-99, etc.) and what I think are “never used colours” or
“not used yet colours” (e.g. 361 & 365, missing opal colours?).
Also that doesn’t address the many-to-one, one-to-many, many-to-many relations
between BL and LEGO colours.
And, finally, it would ruin a tonload of files that use BL’s numbering. Wanted
Lists and Inventories that use the BL numbers but also all the compatibility
databases out there.
So I’d say: not a good idea.
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Author: | pikachu3 | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 15:36 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 48 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, axaday writes:
| Would that move the giant modulex gap out of my color chart? Does Lego use every
number sequentially?
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Yes and, more importantly, no. There are colors that have more than one number
within Lego's system. There are many colors that were given a number but
never actually used in anything other than prototypes. There are numbers which
probably have a color, but we just haven't found a reference to it yet. And
there are many, many numbers which just refer to "Multicombination" (marbled/dual-molded)
parts.
While I do like to use Lego's color numbers, they don't always work 1:1
with BrickLink colors. Some of them (like new and old Dark Pink) have two different
Lego IDs, but are impossible to tell apart IRL. Others (like all the different
coppers) have been consolidated to make things simpler for buyers/sellers, since
the parts they come in don't really have much overlap.
As for Modulex... Lego's IDs for them often overlap with normal Lego colors.
5 Brick Yellow and 5 Mx Buff are both the same tan color. Same with 11 (Mx) Pastel
Blue (maersk blue). Others have no color match, but may have conflicting IDs.
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Author: | TBS | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 15:04 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 32 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| | | In Suggestions, TBS writes:
Standard Green is actually 'Dark Green' but either way this topic is
not actually about revertng over to Lego colours
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Ok, maybe i messed this one up,
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It was the red which was the opposite, not the green. Just seen this on a blog.
Lego: Bright Red/ BL: Red .
Here is SOME more silly Lego-Colour-Names:
Sand Yellow/Dark Tan
Warm Gold/Pearl Gold
Bright Bluish Green/Dark Turquoise
Earth Blue/Dark Blue
Flame Yellowish Orange/Bright Light Orange
Bright Orange/Orange
Brick Yellow/Tan
When it comes to User-friendly, one should skip this idea already.
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Author: | TBS | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 14:39 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 49 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, popsicle writes:
| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea.
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I think it's a good idea and logical first step towards harmonization.
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To me, this seems and absolute bad idea. Because the LEGO naems are even more
confusing than the BL-Light,Bright,Standard,Dark Varitations.
I´d rather see LEGO adopting the BL-Names, than the other way around.
But doubt they ever will.
And switching to colour codes/numbers only. Oh i don´t know. htis makes it even
worse, especially by dealing for/with noobies.
If i remind correctly, these numbers aren´t even grouped?, correct?
Meaning, you can´t say Blues are 301 to 320 from light to dark...
They are 4 ,16, 51, 86, 325, 478 or so, because of their time/year being brought
in existence.
Could somebody check this ? Admin?
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Author: | axaday | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 14:29 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 43 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?
|
We have considered harmonization of colors in the past, and we continue to do
so. But one thing I will mention is that the word "OLD" is likely not a term
we will include in Item Names or Color Names.
On BrickLink, the color and item name are often concatenated, meaning they are
stuck together for use as a single term. The official color numbers of Modulex
were removed from the color name for this very reason, to keep people from getting
confused.
And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea. When we speak to internal folks, they tend to use
the numbers instead of the names, so there is value in those numbers.
|
Would that move the giant modulex gap out of my color chart? Does Lego use every
number sequentially?
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Author: | TBS | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 14:27 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 33 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| In Suggestions, TBS writes:
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Don´t change, Bluish, can even be seen in the difference.
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Yes it may look bluish in comparison to the older greys but if you present those
so called 'bluish greys' to anyone not familiar with Lego colours and
they will likey just describe them as Light Grey and Dark Grey, No?
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Yes, they will have to learn. They gotta learn how BL works as well. No Problem
here?
The Point is, while you wan´t to make it super-easy, my approach is to make it
sillyproof.
When you change LBG to Light grey, and Old light grey we end up where we started,
having gained nothing. There are buyers who don´t see the difference in Here:
Light Grey and Light BLUISH Grey. They order and later complain, because they
didn´t pay Attention in the first place.
This is why i would go the "Light Bluish Grey" and "Old light Grey" route, to
make it even more discernable. If they don´t see the difference in the names
then, they most likely don´t care about the colour as well.
| I think this is about trying to make the site as user friendly as possible for ALL newcomers
rather than just keeping things the way they are just because the regulars already
understand these differences?
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See above, bullet-proof is more importnant than userfriendly to me. Because you´re
not the one getting send the parts back, refund, repeat all the work with the
order again, for no profit or turnover. Just avoidable work.
| Standard Green is actually 'Dark Green' but either way this topic is
not actually about revertng over to Lego colours
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Ok, maybe i messed this one up, however, saying earthblue instead of dark blue
makes no sense to me.
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No, leave it as is... How is very shorter then pale? There is even Light and
Bright and what not. Very is a good one, and just applies to 2 or 3 Colours.
| You don't think 'Pale Grey' is shorter than 'Very Light Bluish
Grey'?
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ah, i see. i thought you would name it "pale light bluish grey". which is not
shorter than very.
I would pass here. The are 3 very colours, barely sought after.. useless work.
Also you´ll have to come up with "pale OLD light grey" (22 Parts) and "pale (-bluish,
-NEW) light grey" (50 parts) or so. Since its exactly the 2 light grey´s. That
even more confusing.
For very light orange, you have exactly ONE part, a cat:
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=6251px2#T=C&C=96
Renaming those seems useless to me.
I´d rather keep that pale idea in reserve, when some new colours come up again,
which fit neither Light or Bright.
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Author: | popsicle | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 14:23 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 62 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?
|
We have considered harmonization of colors in the past, and we continue to do
so. But one thing I will mention is that the word "OLD" is likely not a term
we will include in Item Names or Color Names.
On BrickLink, the color and item name are often concatenated, meaning they are
stuck together for use as a single term. The official color numbers of Modulex
were removed from the color name for this very reason, to keep people from getting
confused.
And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea.
|
I think it's a good idea and logical first step towards harmonization.
| When we speak to internal folks, they tend to use the numbers instead of the names, so there is value in those numbers.
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Author: | Admin_Russell | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 14:13 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 115 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?
|
We have considered harmonization of colors in the past, and we continue to do
so. But one thing I will mention is that the word "OLD" is likely not a term
we will include in Item Names or Color Names.
On BrickLink, the color and item name are often concatenated, meaning they are
stuck together for use as a single term. The official color numbers of Modulex
were removed from the color name for this very reason, to keep people from getting
confused.
And speaking of numbers, I'm thinking the first step in harmonization would
be to replace the BrickLink color numbers with official LEGO numbers. What do
people think of THAT idea. When we speak to internal folks, they tend to use
the numbers instead of the names, so there is value in those numbers.
|
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Author: | infinibrix | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 13:30 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 45 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, TBS writes:
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Don´t change, Bluish, can even be seen in the difference.
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Yes it may look bluish in comparison to the older greys but if you present those
so called 'bluish greys' to anyone not familiar with Lego colours and
they will likey just describe them as Light Grey and Dark Grey, No? I think this
is about trying to make the site as user friendly as possible for ALL newcomers
rather than just keeping things the way they are just because the regulars already
understand these differences?
| LEGO´s Colour names are the ones who are Bullshit.
How does Whatever "Stone" Shades look alike? Which stones they refer to? It is
as stupid as their "Earth Blue or Earth Green". Absolutely unintuitive. The same
that the BL-colour Green is named bright green from LEGO. How is standard Green,
Bright-Green?
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Standard Green is actually 'Dark Green' but either way this topic is
not actually about revertng over to Lego colours (already tried that) this is
about using descriptions that better represent the core main colours i.e Dark
Grey makes more sense to me than Dark Bluish Grey?
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No, leave it as is... How is very shorter then pale? There is even Light and
Bright and what not. Very is a good one, and just applies to 2 or 3 Colours.
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You don't think 'Pale Grey' is shorter than 'Very Light Bluish
Grey'?
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Author: | TBS | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 13:09 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 47 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| I would also consider using the ‘Old/Classic’ tag for some other discontinued
colours too like Brown i.e ‘Old Brown’
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I agree on this one. Renaming that into "OLD+Colour Name" makes sense, and discerns
the differnce between the colours even more.
You have buyers which are to new to be aware of this, and then they say. "That´s
not the correct parts... "
| remaining as that is at least what Lego themselves call it but ‘bluish’ is a
made up bricklink term that has little relevance to the actual colour nor does
Lego use the term?
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Don´t change, Bluish, can even be seen in the difference.
LEGO´s Colour names are the ones who are Bullshit.
How does Whatever "Stone" Shades look alike? Which stones they refer to? It is
as stupid as their "Earth Blue or Earth Green". Absolutely unintuitive. The same
that the BL-colour Green is named bright green from LEGO. How is standard Green,
Bright-Green?
| Also wherever we use the term ‘Very Light’ can I suggest using the term ‘Pale’.
i.e ‘Pale Grey’ instead of ‘Very Light Bluish Grey’ as shorter names are much
easier for people to read off the site and to label/Inventory their stocks even
if that does mean some initial disruption?
|
No, leave it as is... How is very shorter then pale? There is even Light and
Bright and what not. Very is a good one, and just applies to 2 or 3 Colours.
| Lastly shouldn’t we at least try and mirror Lego’s reference to Grey and use
‘Grey’ instead of ‘Gray’ in the descriptions?
|
As Non-Native English-speaker, is have no opinion on this.
Delivered.
|
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Author: | Sowhatbricks2.0 | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 13:08 | Subject: | lower the NPB timeframe | Viewed: | 134 times | Topic: | Suggestions | Status: | Open | Vote: | [Yes|No] | |
| Can we lower the NPB time from 7 days to 2 days? Giving buyers almost 2 weeks
before a NPB ticket is completed is to long. If they don't respond to Bricklink
invoices, messages or emails directly in the first 5 days they shouldn't
get another 7 days.
|
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Author: | infinibrix | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 12:49 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 36 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, psusaxman2000 writes:
| So if we were to rename the existing LG and LBG (in the future), how do you work
the compliment colors for these that were create for a short time of Very Light
Gray and Very Light Bluish Gray? If we are to stay constant, do we then rename
these as well to Very "Classic or Old" Gray?
|
'Very Light Grey' becomes 'Old Very Light Grey'
'Very Light Bluish Grey' becomes 'Very Light Grey'
But as per my original post I also made the suggestion to replace 'Very Light'
with 'Pale'
so they would be 'Old Pale Grey' and 'Pale Grey'
Colour shades would go from Light to Dark as:-
Pale
Light
Medium (or just the simple colour)
Dark
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Author: | maxx3001 | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 12:47 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 37 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| | In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
|
We can start by calling light gray and dark grey as old light grey and old dark
grey.
Then over 6 months drop the bluish from the new greys and we are done.
Easy,
Maxx
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Author: | infinibrix | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 12:39 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 30 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, misbi writes:
| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| It will be known to many that I’ve always favoured the idea of using official
Lego colour names not because I like them better or think they describe the
colours better (Many are very odd choices!) but simply because it creates less
uncertainty about what I’m selling and what the customer thinks they are buying
however I’ve made that argument already and now’s probably the time to accept
that Bricklink colour names are unlikely to match that of the Lego group!
|
At the very least, it would be helpful if BL and TLG names didn't directly
contradict each other. Specifically: Dark Green
Let's start with that one!
|
Yes that one is a particular bad example though in fairness to BL I think Lego
got that one terribly wrong. To me it is the equivalent of what Lego call 'Bright
Red' and 'Bright Blue' and in truth Lego should have also called
this 'Bright Green' plus if it was'nt for the fact that these became
the main staple core colours maybe bricklink would have kept them with the Bright
tag after all they are much brighter than most of the other shades of blues green
and reds that we have since appeared!
|
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Author: | misbi | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 11:59 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 36 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| It will be known to many that I’ve always favoured the idea of using official
Lego colour names not because I like them better or think they describe the
colours better (Many are very odd choices!) but simply because it creates less
uncertainty about what I’m selling and what the customer thinks they are buying
however I’ve made that argument already and now’s probably the time to accept
that Bricklink colour names are unlikely to match that of the Lego group!
|
At the very least, it would be helpful if BL and TLG names didn't directly
contradict each other. Specifically: Dark Green
Let's start with that one!
|
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Author: | psusaxman2000 | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 11:23 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 30 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| | | At what interval does something become "old"?
|
At the point it just becomes inherently obvious that Lego has moved away from
the production of a main shade of a colour in prefernce for a new shade of colour.
Brow along with Light and dark gey I think everyone would consider old colours
that have fallen out of favour by the Lego Group.
It does'nt mean I think an obscure colour that Lego has'nt release for
a few years should also be considered old/discontinued but maybe the use of the
term 'Classic' to get around these concerns? though I prefer to reference
them 'old' myself
|
Point taken.
|
| I agree with your point that they could easily be a new gray down the road at some point,
|
To be honest I think any new shade of grey that Lego create will only be to accompany
the exisitng Light/Dark grey rather than to replace them hence why I feel these
greys will remain the current staple greys for many years to come hence whi I
feel they deserve the proper accurate title of Light/Dark grey.
| but is the fact that there are two and one is more "bluish" really an issue, or just because it's a longer name?
|
|
So if we were to rename the existing LG and LBG (in the future), how do you work
the compliment colors for these that were create for a short time of Very Light
Gray and Very Light Bluish Gray? If we are to stay constant, do we then rename
these as well to Very "Classic or Old" Gray?
|
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Author: | garbanzo | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 10:56 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 24 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest
|
You're getting into a real gray area when you start talking color names.
Lots of opinion involved.
Personally, I think "light black" is a good option.
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Author: | axaday | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 10:47 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 28 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, psusaxman2000 writes:
| At what interval does something become "old"?
|
When it reasonably seems retired. It is one thing that some colors sometimes
drop out of production. After some years Dark Turquoise came back. Purple could,
I think. Violet could.
But Light Gray, Dark Gray, Pink, and Brown were immediately replaced with new
colors intended to act as the same color. They are very unlikely to bring those
colors back.
|
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Author: | infinibrix | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 10:42 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 28 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| And this is exactly why I think we should add "old" or "classic" in front or
the non-reddish/bluish ones as fast as possible.
Then we can always decide later on (when it no longer causes confusion) whether
or not to change "Light bluish gray" to "Light gray".
|
Yes I think it is still helpful to mark those as old/classic even if no change
it to be made to the newer exisiting colours
|
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Author: | Teup | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 10:38 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 28 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| And this is exactly why I think we should add "old" or "classic" in front or
the non-reddish/bluish ones as fast as possible.
Then we can always decide later on (when it no longer causes confusion) whether
or not to change "Light bluish gray" to "Light gray".
In Suggestions, axaday writes:
| Among the MOST confusing things we could do would be changing the name of a color
to the name that we just took away from another color.
In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| It will be known to many that I’ve always favoured the idea of using official
Lego colour names not because I like them better or think they describe the
colours better (Many are very odd choices!) but simply because it creates less
uncertainty about what I’m selling and what the customer thinks they are buying
however I’ve made that argument already and now’s probably the time to accept
that Bricklink colour names are unlikely to match that of the Lego group!
However one thing that has always jarred me somewhat is the use of the term ‘Bluish’
to describe the greys when I’m sure if it was’nt for the need to fit around the
older existing greys already in the catalog both would have no doubt just been
given the simple description Dark/Light Grey instead of Dark/Light Bluish Grey?
The thing is the way I see it Bricklink uses its own colour names for three main
reasons:-
A) Lego never provided a colour name for them to use (at least not in the early
days!)
B) They wanted their colour names to better describe and match the actual shade
of colour!
C) They wanted their colour names to be short and to the point!
However when it comes to those last two points colours like ‘Dark Bluish Grey’
and ‘Light Bluish Grey’ both fail to meet that ideal objective compared to most
of the other colour names that have been created by Bricklink. Both descriptions
are lengthy and somewhat misleading? If anything I see more ‘Bluish Grey’ in
a colour like Sand blue than either of these two greys and when all said and
done they are basically just Light and Dark Grey?
So what does it matter and what to do?
Well because they are both what I would call very common CORE central colours
in Legos colour palette it stands to reason that we should perhaps think about
giving them the most suitably descriptive name for them (Light and Dark grey?)
after all that is what any newbie or anyone else for that matter would define
them as?
Both of these colours are ‘very current’ where as the discontinued greys are
not so current and therefore probably don’t warrant the need for the best descriptive
name for them any longer? In fact if we were to rename the existing Light and
Dark Grey as ‘Old Light Grey’ or ‘Classic Light Grey’ I think this would also
be very helpful to newbies when they are confronted with so many different shades
of grey?
I would also consider using the ‘Old/Classic’ tag for some other discontinued
colours too like Brown i.e ‘Old Brown’ I have less problem with Reddish brown
remaining as that is at least what Lego themselves call it but ‘bluish’ is a
made up bricklink term that has little relevance to the actual colour nor does
Lego use the term? Lego may have added more blue to the actual colour mix than
the old greys but in appearance they are simply intended to be a Light and Dark
Grey in a new and current form hence I feel we should refer to them as such?
Also wherever we use the term ‘Very Light’ can I suggest using the term ‘Pale’.
i.e ‘Pale Grey’ instead of ‘Very Light Bluish Grey’ as shorter names are much
easier for people to read off the site and to label/Inventory their stocks even
if that does mean some initial disruption?
Lastly shouldn’t we at least try and mirror Lego’s reference to Grey and use
‘Grey’ instead of ‘Gray’ in the descriptions?
I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?
|
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Author: | infinibrix | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 10:34 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 29 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, psusaxman2000 writes:
| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| In Suggestions, psusaxman2000 writes:
|
I understand your point about the names being long or drawn out, but I don't
agree with your point on sand blue.
When it comes to shading though, I've always been of the understand that
it's similar to a compass reading. so sand blue by shading would become Grayish Blue.
|
Okay by I think your side stepping away from my main point which is not so much
about how Sand Blue is named (I have no problem with the name) but what we call
Light/Dark Bluish grey?
That said I do still see more of both grey and blue in Sand Blue whereas for
the other colours I only really see Light and Dark grey
I remember when I first joined this site looking for the Stone greys I just thought
oh wait they must just be called Light/Dark grey, no wait Blusih grey?? What
the hell?
|
At what interval does something become "old"?
|
At the point it just becomes inherently obvious that Lego has moved away from
the production of a main shade of a colour in prefernce for a new shade of colour.
Brow along with Light and dark gey I think everyone would consider old colours
that have fallen out of favour by the Lego Group.
It does'nt mean I think an obscure colour that Lego has'nt release for
a few years should also be considered old/discontinued but maybe the use of the
term 'Classic' to get around these concerns? though I prefer to reference
them 'old' myself
| I agree with your point that they could easily be a new gray down the road at some point,
|
To be honest I think any new shade of grey that Lego create will only be to accompany
the exisitng Light/Dark grey rather than to replace them hence why I feel these
greys will remain the current staple greys for many years to come hence whi I
feel they deserve the proper accurate title of Light/Dark grey.
| but is the fact that there are two and one is more "bluish" really an issue, or just because it's a longer name?
|
I don't think either of them warrant the term Bluish because bluish puts
the idea into someones head that the colour is a bluey grey type colour not disimilar
to how I see sand blue
| There are other colors in the palette that have longer names too like Bright
Light Orange or Blue and some of the Trans parts inherently are long. I'm
not saying your point is at all invalid but is it worth the effort is all.
|
Yes but my thinking is for the CORE colours which I consider both these greys
to be it makes sense to stick to the basics i.e Light Grey, Dark Grey, Blue,
Dark Blue and only then should we feel it necessary to get elaborate with the
colour names. If you give the basis core colours the basic standard names people
will understand these to be the standard core colours within the vast colour
pallete
|
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Author: | popsicle | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 10:32 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 94 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| It will be known to many that I’ve always favoured the idea of using official
Lego colour names not because I like them better or think they describe the
colours better (Many are very odd choices!) but simply because it creates less
uncertainty about what I’m selling and what the customer thinks they are buying
however I’ve made that argument already and now’s probably the time to accept
that Bricklink colour names are unlikely to match that of the Lego group!
|
Though I personally like TLG's more Shakespearean over Webster approach to
naming their color families, the terminology can be ambiguous or simply misleading.
Just to pick a few…
Brick Yellow for Tan
Earth Blue for Dark Blue and Earth Green for Dark Green
And what is “New” Dark Red?
Not exactly helpful descriptors to the casual Lego fan
I go back n'forth on this color terminology question, BL or TLG
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1175620
That is to say, I see both sides. I personally appreciate the more creative
names, while knowing the more descriptive term is the practical choice for the
casual Lego consumer, which is the bulk of Lego users worldwide.
|
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Author: | psusaxman2000 | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 10:06 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 33 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| In Suggestions, psusaxman2000 writes:
|
I understand your point about the names being long or drawn out, but I don't
agree with your point on sand blue.
When it comes to shading though, I've always been of the understand that
it's similar to a compass reading. so sand blue by shading would become Grayish Blue.
|
Okay by I think your side stepping away from my main point which is not so much
about how Sand Blue is named (I have no problem with the name) but what we call
Light/Dark Bluish grey?
That said I do still see more of both grey and blue in Sand Blue whereas for
the other colours I only really see Light and Dark grey
I remember when I first joined this site looking for the Stone greys I just thought
oh wait they must just be called Light/Dark grey, no wait Blusih grey?? What
the hell?
|
At what interval does something become "old"? For any individual that is part
of a community, a color palette is easier to remember and while shading is not
usually beneficial, it can make it easier. I agree with your point that they
could easily be a new gray down the road at some point, but is the fact that
there are two and one is more "bluish" really an issue, or just because it's
a longer name?
There are other colors in the palette that have longer names too like Bright
Light Orange or Blue and some of the Trans parts inherently are long. I'm
not saying your point is at all invalid but is it worth the effort is all. (I
hate when my job brain interferes with my hobby brain)
|
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Author: | infinibrix | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 09:56 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 35 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, tpr writes:
| In Suggestions, axaday writes:
| Among the MOST confusing things we could do would be changing the name of a color
to the name that we just took away from another color.
|
But it could be possible.
You could change Lt Grey etc to "Classic" or "Old" immediately and you could
give a notice period of when bluish grey would change to the existing Lt Grey
etc - during which time members and new members would get used to the Classic
colours
tpr
|
+1
Yes making the changes to the Old greys first would be a very good idea even
if that means Bricklink hold off changing bluish grey for quite a few months
At least it would feel like we're moving in the right direction in terms
of names that truly reflect the correct colours....
|
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Author: | infinibrix | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 09:44 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 36 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, psusaxman2000 writes:
|
I understand your point about the names being long or drawn out, but I don't
agree with your point on sand blue.
When it comes to shading though, I've always been of the understand that
it's similar to a compass reading. so sand blue by shading would become Grayish Blue.
|
Okay by I think your side stepping away from my main point which is not so much
about how Sand Blue is named (I have no problem with the name) but what we call
Light/Dark Bluish grey?
That said I do still see more of both grey and blue in Sand Blue whereas for
the other colours I only really see Light and Dark grey
I remember when I first joined this site looking for the Stone greys I just thought
oh wait they must just be called Light/Dark grey, no wait Blusih grey?? What
the hell?
|
|
Author: | infinibrix | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 09:27 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 44 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| In Suggestions, axaday writes:
| Among the MOST confusing things we could do would be changing the name of a color
to the name that we just took away from another color.
|
Not really because most people when they come to look for the most common current
bluish grey colours will wonder where they have gone and soon realise they are
now jsut Light/dark grey especially if the old ones have been repalced with 'Old
Light/Dark Grey'
Besides if we can change the colour of Light Flesh to Light Nougat and the like
which is used on many themed minifigure heads I'm sure people will adjust
very quickly!
|
Also just to add that I don't think Lego are about to change these core grey
colours any time soon if ever at all? (They may expand of the greys perhaps?)
therefore its a small price/change to make now for something that will make more
sense for later on in the future. I mean do we really want to be refering to
greys as blusih grey 20 or 30 years down the road just to cater for some old
grey colours that are long since discontinued and becoming rarer and rarer?
|
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Author: | tpr | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 09:24 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 42 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, axaday writes:
| Among the MOST confusing things we could do would be changing the name of a color
to the name that we just took away from another color.
|
But it could be possible.
You could change Lt Grey etc to "Classic" or "Old" immediately and you could
give a notice period of when bluish grey would change to the existing Lt Grey
etc - during which time members and new members would get used to the Classic
colours
tpr
|
In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| It will be known to many that I’ve always favoured the idea of using official
Lego colour names not because I like them better or think they describe the
colours better (Many are very odd choices!) but simply because it creates less
uncertainty about what I’m selling and what the customer thinks they are buying
however I’ve made that argument already and now’s probably the time to accept
that Bricklink colour names are unlikely to match that of the Lego group!
However one thing that has always jarred me somewhat is the use of the term ‘Bluish’
to describe the greys when I’m sure if it was’nt for the need to fit around the
older existing greys already in the catalog both would have no doubt just been
given the simple description Dark/Light Grey instead of Dark/Light Bluish Grey?
The thing is the way I see it Bricklink uses its own colour names for three main
reasons:-
A) Lego never provided a colour name for them to use (at least not in the early
days!)
B) They wanted their colour names to better describe and match the actual shade
of colour!
C) They wanted their colour names to be short and to the point!
However when it comes to those last two points colours like ‘Dark Bluish Grey’
and ‘Light Bluish Grey’ both fail to meet that ideal objective compared to most
of the other colour names that have been created by Bricklink. Both descriptions
are lengthy and somewhat misleading? If anything I see more ‘Bluish Grey’ in
a colour like Sand blue than either of these two greys and when all said and
done they are basically just Light and Dark Grey?
So what does it matter and what to do?
Well because they are both what I would call very common CORE central colours
in Legos colour palette it stands to reason that we should perhaps think about
giving them the most suitably descriptive name for them (Light and Dark grey?)
after all that is what any newbie or anyone else for that matter would define
them as?
Both of these colours are ‘very current’ where as the discontinued greys are
not so current and therefore probably don’t warrant the need for the best descriptive
name for them any longer? In fact if we were to rename the existing Light and
Dark Grey as ‘Old Light Grey’ or ‘Classic Light Grey’ I think this would also
be very helpful to newbies when they are confronted with so many different shades
of grey?
I would also consider using the ‘Old/Classic’ tag for some other discontinued
colours too like Brown i.e ‘Old Brown’ I have less problem with Reddish brown
remaining as that is at least what Lego themselves call it but ‘bluish’ is a
made up bricklink term that has little relevance to the actual colour nor does
Lego use the term? Lego may have added more blue to the actual colour mix than
the old greys but in appearance they are simply intended to be a Light and Dark
Grey in a new and current form hence I feel we should refer to them as such?
Also wherever we use the term ‘Very Light’ can I suggest using the term ‘Pale’.
i.e ‘Pale Grey’ instead of ‘Very Light Bluish Grey’ as shorter names are much
easier for people to read off the site and to label/Inventory their stocks even
if that does mean some initial disruption?
Lastly shouldn’t we at least try and mirror Lego’s reference to Grey and use
‘Grey’ instead of ‘Gray’ in the descriptions?
I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?
|
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Author: | psusaxman2000 | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 09:23 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 50 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| It will be known to many that I’ve always favoured the idea of using official
Lego colour names not because I like them better or think they describe the
colours better (Many are very odd choices!) but simply because it creates less
uncertainty about what I’m selling and what the customer thinks they are buying
however I’ve made that argument already and now’s probably the time to accept
that Bricklink colour names are unlikely to match that of the Lego group!
However one thing that has always jarred me somewhat is the use of the term ‘Bluish’
to describe the greys when I’m sure if it was’nt for the need to fit around the
older existing greys already in the catalog both would have no doubt just been
given the simple description Dark/Light Grey instead of Dark/Light Bluish Grey?
The thing is the way I see it Bricklink uses its own colour names for three main
reasons:-
A) Lego never provided a colour name for them to use (at least not in the early
days!)
B) They wanted their colour names to better describe and match the actual shade
of colour!
C) They wanted their colour names to be short and to the point!
However when it comes to those last two points colours like ‘Dark Bluish Grey’
and ‘Light Bluish Grey’ both fail to meet that ideal objective compared to most
of the other colour names that have been created by Bricklink. Both descriptions
are lengthy and somewhat misleading? If anything I see more ‘Bluish Grey’ in
a colour like Sand blue than either of these two greys and when all said and
done they are basically just Light and Dark Grey?
So what does it matter and what to do?
Well because they are both what I would call very common CORE central colours
in Legos colour palette it stands to reason that we should perhaps think about
giving them the most suitably descriptive name for them (Light and Dark grey?)
after all that is what any newbie or anyone else for that matter would define
them as?
Both of these colours are ‘very current’ where as the discontinued greys are
not so current and therefore probably don’t warrant the need for the best descriptive
name for them any longer? In fact if we were to rename the existing Light and
Dark Grey as ‘Old Light Grey’ or ‘Classic Light Grey’ I think this would also
be very helpful to newbies when they are confronted with so many different shades
of grey?
I would also consider using the ‘Old/Classic’ tag for some other discontinued
colours too like Brown i.e ‘Old Brown’ I have less problem with Reddish brown
remaining as that is at least what Lego themselves call it but ‘bluish’ is a
made up bricklink term that has little relevance to the actual colour nor does
Lego use the term? Lego may have added more blue to the actual colour mix than
the old greys but in appearance they are simply intended to be a Light and Dark
Grey in a new and current form hence I feel we should refer to them as such?
Also wherever we use the term ‘Very Light’ can I suggest using the term ‘Pale’.
i.e ‘Pale Grey’ instead of ‘Very Light Bluish Grey’ as shorter names are much
easier for people to read off the site and to label/Inventory their stocks even
if that does mean some initial disruption?
Lastly shouldn’t we at least try and mirror Lego’s reference to Grey and use
‘Grey’ instead of ‘Gray’ in the descriptions?
I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?
|
I understand your point about the names being long or drawn out, but I don't
agree with your point on sand blue. From a color spectrum perspective, the six
core primary and secondary colors are traditional used for shading. As everyone
know naming colors from there become part of the problem as each industry or
supplier calls things different names based on real world objects. Even BL has
"Olive" or "Coral" that fit this mark.
When it comes to shading though, I've always been of the understand that
it's similar to a compass reading. West (W), South West (SW), West South
West (WSW). When you reference the sand blue or LBG, the predominant color becomes
the final work so sand blue by shading would become Grayish Blue.
Then you get to the Medium Violet range when has multiple shade in as single
name as I just came to find out while building my color palette. I accidentally
ordered a 3001 from two different stores and received two different shades which
I found our were color id 112 and 219.
https://rebrickable.com/forum/index.php?/topic/3565-2-different-medium-violet-colors/
While I understand the need for standards (health care worker), if the industry
doesn't adopt one that already exists from the start, they are usually bound
to the one they create and BL seems to fall into the secondary making it much
harder to change as the years progress.
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Author: | peregrinator | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 09:21 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 47 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| Aren't the official names for Light Bluish Gray and Dark Bluish Gray, Medium
Stone Grey and Dark Stone Grey respectively?
In Suggestions, axaday writes:
| Among the MOST confusing things we could do would be changing the name of a color
to the name that we just took away from another color.
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Author: | infinibrix | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 09:19 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 56 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, axaday writes:
| Among the MOST confusing things we could do would be changing the name of a color
to the name that we just took away from another color.
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Not really because most people when they come to look for the most common current
bluish grey colours will wonder where they have gone and soon realise they are
now jsut Light/dark grey especially if the old ones have been repalced with 'Old
Light/Dark Grey'
Besides if we can change the colour of Light Flesh to Light Nougat and the like
which is used on many themed minifigure heads I'm sure people will adjust
very quickly!
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Author: | axaday | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 09:15 | Subject: | Re: Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 71 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| Among the MOST confusing things we could do would be changing the name of a color
to the name that we just took away from another color.
In Suggestions, infinibrix writes:
| It will be known to many that I’ve always favoured the idea of using official
Lego colour names not because I like them better or think they describe the
colours better (Many are very odd choices!) but simply because it creates less
uncertainty about what I’m selling and what the customer thinks they are buying
however I’ve made that argument already and now’s probably the time to accept
that Bricklink colour names are unlikely to match that of the Lego group!
However one thing that has always jarred me somewhat is the use of the term ‘Bluish’
to describe the greys when I’m sure if it was’nt for the need to fit around the
older existing greys already in the catalog both would have no doubt just been
given the simple description Dark/Light Grey instead of Dark/Light Bluish Grey?
The thing is the way I see it Bricklink uses its own colour names for three main
reasons:-
A) Lego never provided a colour name for them to use (at least not in the early
days!)
B) They wanted their colour names to better describe and match the actual shade
of colour!
C) They wanted their colour names to be short and to the point!
However when it comes to those last two points colours like ‘Dark Bluish Grey’
and ‘Light Bluish Grey’ both fail to meet that ideal objective compared to most
of the other colour names that have been created by Bricklink. Both descriptions
are lengthy and somewhat misleading? If anything I see more ‘Bluish Grey’ in
a colour like Sand blue than either of these two greys and when all said and
done they are basically just Light and Dark Grey?
So what does it matter and what to do?
Well because they are both what I would call very common CORE central colours
in Legos colour palette it stands to reason that we should perhaps think about
giving them the most suitably descriptive name for them (Light and Dark grey?)
after all that is what any newbie or anyone else for that matter would define
them as?
Both of these colours are ‘very current’ where as the discontinued greys are
not so current and therefore probably don’t warrant the need for the best descriptive
name for them any longer? In fact if we were to rename the existing Light and
Dark Grey as ‘Old Light Grey’ or ‘Classic Light Grey’ I think this would also
be very helpful to newbies when they are confronted with so many different shades
of grey?
I would also consider using the ‘Old/Classic’ tag for some other discontinued
colours too like Brown i.e ‘Old Brown’ I have less problem with Reddish brown
remaining as that is at least what Lego themselves call it but ‘bluish’ is a
made up bricklink term that has little relevance to the actual colour nor does
Lego use the term? Lego may have added more blue to the actual colour mix than
the old greys but in appearance they are simply intended to be a Light and Dark
Grey in a new and current form hence I feel we should refer to them as such?
Also wherever we use the term ‘Very Light’ can I suggest using the term ‘Pale’.
i.e ‘Pale Grey’ instead of ‘Very Light Bluish Grey’ as shorter names are much
easier for people to read off the site and to label/Inventory their stocks even
if that does mean some initial disruption?
Lastly shouldn’t we at least try and mirror Lego’s reference to Grey and use
‘Grey’ instead of ‘Gray’ in the descriptions?
I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?
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Author: | infinibrix | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 09:04 | Subject: | Adjusting Colour Names such as Bluish Grey? | Viewed: | 480 times | Topic: | Suggestions | Status: | Open | Vote: | [Yes|No] | |
| It will be known to many that I’ve always favoured the idea of using official
Lego colour names not because I like them better or think they describe the
colours better (Many are very odd choices!) but simply because it creates less
uncertainty about what I’m selling and what the customer thinks they are buying
however I’ve made that argument already and now’s probably the time to accept
that Bricklink colour names are unlikely to match that of the Lego group!
However one thing that has always jarred me somewhat is the use of the term ‘Bluish’
to describe the greys when I’m sure if it was’nt for the need to fit around the
older existing greys already in the catalog both would have no doubt just been
given the simple description Dark/Light Grey instead of Dark/Light Bluish Grey?
The thing is the way I see it Bricklink uses its own colour names for three main
reasons:-
A) Lego never provided a colour name for them to use (at least not in the early
days!)
B) They wanted their colour names to better describe and match the actual shade
of colour!
C) They wanted their colour names to be short and to the point!
However when it comes to those last two points colours like ‘Dark Bluish Grey’
and ‘Light Bluish Grey’ both fail to meet that ideal objective compared to most
of the other colour names that have been created by Bricklink. Both descriptions
are lengthy and somewhat misleading? If anything I see more ‘Bluish Grey’ in
a colour like Sand blue than either of these two greys and when all said and
done they are basically just Light and Dark Grey?
So what does it matter and what to do?
Well because they are both what I would call very common CORE central colours
in Legos colour palette it stands to reason that we should perhaps think about
giving them the most suitably descriptive name for them (Light and Dark grey?)
after all that is what any newbie or anyone else for that matter would define
them as?
Both of these colours are ‘very current’ where as the discontinued greys are
not so current and therefore probably don’t warrant the need for the best descriptive
name for them any longer? In fact if we were to rename the existing Light and
Dark Grey as ‘Old Light Grey’ or ‘Classic Light Grey’ I think this would also
be very helpful to newbies when they are confronted with so many different shades
of grey?
I would also consider using the ‘Old/Classic’ tag for some other discontinued
colours too like Brown i.e ‘Old Brown’ I have less problem with Reddish brown
remaining as that is at least what Lego themselves call it but ‘bluish’ is a
made up bricklink term that has little relevance to the actual colour nor does
Lego use the term? Lego may have added more blue to the actual colour mix than
the old greys but in appearance they are simply intended to be a Light and Dark
Grey in a new and current form hence I feel we should refer to them as such?
Also wherever we use the term ‘Very Light’ can I suggest using the term ‘Pale’.
i.e ‘Pale Grey’ instead of ‘Very Light Bluish Grey’ as shorter names are much
easier for people to read off the site and to label/Inventory their stocks even
if that does mean some initial disruption?
Lastly shouldn’t we at least try and mirror Lego’s reference to Grey and use
‘Grey’ instead of ‘Gray’ in the descriptions?
I hope others will share the same logic in what I’m trying to suggest or perhaps
I’m barking up the wrong tree? Thoughts?
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Author: | jjprbr | Posted: | Feb 16, 2021 04:39 | Subject: | Bigger Image Thumbnails for Easier Browsing | Viewed: | 54 times | Topic: | Suggestions | Status: | Open | Vote: | [Yes|No] | |
| Browsing is a chore due to the very small thumbnails attached to each
set, item, etc. Please consider a listing format that can take advantage of modern
online retail listing standards. At this point, you're almost better off
browsing elsewhere (Amazon, eBay, etc), then coming here to plug in the item
number. Keep us here.
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Author: | yorbrick | Posted: | Feb 13, 2021 15:32 | Subject: | Re: Incomplete Minifigs | Viewed: | 79 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, peregrinator writes:
| In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| B) Make a rule that ALL minifigs MUST be complete as inventoried. Otherwise
they should be listed as their component parts.
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This is the rule - all listed minifigs must be complete
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It wasn't a decade ago though, when the post was made.
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Author: | Admin_Russell | Posted: | Feb 13, 2021 14:56 | Subject: | Re: Incomplete Minifigs | Viewed: | 98 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, peregrinator writes:
| In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| B) Make a rule that ALL minifigs MUST be complete as inventoried. Otherwise
they should be listed as their component parts.
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This is the rule - all listed minifigs must be complete
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Yes. I think we've gotten to the place we can say this is implemented. The
search results are now in the hundreds, down from about 6000:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1236765
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Author: | Admin_Russell | Posted: | Feb 13, 2021 14:46 | Subject: | Re: Incomplete Minifigs | Viewed: | 71 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, TimsBrickHouse writes:
That is technically a set entry. So the rules for sets apply.
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Author: | peregrinator | Posted: | Feb 13, 2021 14:41 | Subject: | Re: Incomplete Minifigs | Viewed: | 57 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, TorontoLego writes:
| B) Make a rule that ALL minifigs MUST be complete as inventoried. Otherwise
they should be listed as their component parts.
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This is the rule - all listed minifigs must be complete
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Author: | TimsBrickHouse | Posted: | Feb 13, 2021 14:25 | Subject: | Re: Incomplete Minifigs | Viewed: | 64 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| Maybe it was said in here somewhere but, what about the extra parts if that is
not included in the set is it now considered, "incomplete"?
Example: https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?S=colsh-11
The Fig comes with a utility belt and its an extra part too.
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Author: | brickablocks | Posted: | Feb 13, 2021 13:08 | Subject: | Re: Pricing for bulk uplaod | Viewed: | 24 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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