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 Author: Stuart9 View Messages Posted By Stuart9
 Posted: Jun 24, 2020 14:44
 Subject: Re: Change Notification: Parts 4623 and 88072
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Thanks, changes and dates noted.



In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  NOTIFICATION OF CHANGES TO PARTS 4623 AND 88072

 
Part No: 4623  Name: Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Bar Arm Up (Undetermined Type)
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4623 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Bar Arm Up (Undetermined Type)
Parts: Plate, Modified
[P=88072]

Members have recently identified two problems with these part variant entries:

1. The additional notes need to be updated.
2. Part 4623 comes in both 5 MM and 6 MM horizontal arm length versions.

A member has submitted a request for us to take action.

What changes will happen?
1. The title of Part 4623 currently in parentheses will be changed to
read "Undetermined Arm Length," but the part will not immediately be marked for
deletion.
2. A new catalog entry will be created with the part number 4623a and
the title "Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Arm Up (Horizontal Arm Length 6mm)."
3. Part 88072 has 4623b as an alternate item number. The primary number
(88072) and alternate item number (4623b) will be switched for this part.
4. The additional notes for all three entries will be updated for brevity
and ease of comprehension.

When will these changes occur?
All four changes are planned to occur between the hours of 8 AM and 4 PM CST
on July 8th, 2020.

Why are these changes necessary?
The changes are necessary because Part 4623 comes in both 5 MM and 6 MM horizontal
arm lengths. The catalog does not currently recognize this fact and some inventories
include incorrect part variants.

How will these changes affect BrickLink members?
Sellers should move their for-sale listings from the undetermined entry to either
4623a or 4623b as soon as reasonably possible after the July 8th changes. Members
who object to one or more changes should immediately provide input with clear
reasons for their objections.
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Jun 24, 2020 14:30
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NOTIFICATION OF CHANGES TO PARTS 4623 AND 88072

 
Part No: 4623  Name: Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Bar Arm Up (Undetermined Type)
* 
4623 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Bar Arm Up (Undetermined Type)
Parts: Plate, Modified
[P=88072]

Members have recently identified two problems with these part variant entries:

1. The additional notes need to be updated.
2. Part 4623 comes in both 5 MM and 6 MM horizontal arm length versions.

A member has submitted a request for us to take action.

What changes will happen?
1. The title of Part 4623 currently in parentheses will be changed to
read "Undetermined Arm Length," but the part will not immediately be marked for
deletion.
2. A new catalog entry will be created with the part number 4623a and
the title "Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Arm Up (Horizontal Arm Length 6mm)."
3. Part 88072 has 4623b as an alternate item number. The primary number
(88072) and alternate item number (4623b) will be switched for this part.
4. The additional notes for all three entries will be updated for brevity
and ease of comprehension.

When will these changes occur?
All four changes are planned to occur between the hours of 8 AM and 4 PM CST
on July 8th, 2020.

Why are these changes necessary?
The changes are necessary because Part 4623 comes in both 5 MM and 6 MM horizontal
arm lengths. The catalog does not currently recognize this fact and some inventories
include incorrect part variants.

How will these changes affect BrickLink members?
Sellers should move their for-sale listings from the undetermined entry to either
4623a or 4623b as soon as reasonably possible after the July 8th changes. Members
who object to one or more changes should immediately provide input with clear
reasons for their objections.
 Author: M.Boss View Messages Posted By M.Boss
 Posted: Jun 23, 2020 22:06
 Subject: Darth Vader Head Mold Variance
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Part No: 30368  Name: Minifigure, Headgear Helmet SW Darth Vader
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30368 Minifigure, Headgear Helmet SW Darth Vader
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear

When comparing two Darth Vader figures I had, I discovered a mold variance between
two helmets. The "old" type came likey was made from 1999-2014, while The "new"
type appeared in the 2019 20th Anniversary Clone Scout Walker
 
Set No: 75261  Name: Clone Scout Walker – 20th Anniversary Edition
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75261-1 (Inv) Clone Scout Walker – 20th Anniversary Edition
198 Parts, 5 Minifigures, 2019
Sets: Star Wars: Star Wars Episode 3
I think
this new mold was created because in order to create the anniversary figure lego
wanted to use a 1 piece Vader helmet, as opposed to the 2 piece helmets they
switched to a couple of years ago. This mold variation deserves a note in the
catalog entry for the helmet,, or a variant added to the catalog, but I'm
not sure which. If someone wants to take the appropriate action from here, please
go ahead. See the attached image for the differences between the two.
 


 Author: TheBrickGuys View Messages Posted By TheBrickGuys
 Posted: Jun 23, 2020 16:41
 Subject: Re: bricklink lego piece not found
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In Catalog, Crafteewon writes:
  In Catalog, foxbricks2009 writes:
  what if i have a piece that i know is lego but i can't find it in the catalog.
could we have a feature for adding your own piece? or should i just make a custom
item?
i have this 2x8 apple bush piece i can't find.

 
Part No: 6214px2  Name: Slope, Curved 8 x 2 x 4 Triple with 8 Studs with Red Apples Pattern
* 
6214px2 Slope, Curved 8 x 2 x 4 Triple with 8 Studs with Red Apples Pattern
Parts: Slope, Curved, Decorated

Not Bad, 2 Minutes!

Jim
 Author: Fox_Brickr View Messages Posted By Fox_Brickr
 Posted: Jun 23, 2020 15:42
 Subject: Re: bricklink lego piece not found
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In Catalog, Cob writes:
  In Catalog, Crafteewon writes:
  In Catalog, foxbricks2009 writes:
  what if i have a piece that i know is lego but i can't find it in the catalog.
could we have a feature for adding your own piece? or should i just make a custom
item?
i have this 2x8 apple bush piece i can't find.

 
Part No: 6214px2  Name: Slope, Curved 8 x 2 x 4 Triple with 8 Studs with Red Apples Pattern
* 
6214px2 Slope, Curved 8 x 2 x 4 Triple with 8 Studs with Red Apples Pattern
Parts: Slope, Curved, Decorated

BrickLink search is very specific.

In this situation apple is incorrect, you must search for either apple* or apples

oh,i looked up apple and not apples, thank you!
 Author: Cob View Messages Posted By Cob
 Posted: Jun 23, 2020 15:39
 Subject: Re: bricklink lego piece not found
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In Catalog, Crafteewon writes:
  In Catalog, foxbricks2009 writes:
  what if i have a piece that i know is lego but i can't find it in the catalog.
could we have a feature for adding your own piece? or should i just make a custom
item?
i have this 2x8 apple bush piece i can't find.

 
Part No: 6214px2  Name: Slope, Curved 8 x 2 x 4 Triple with 8 Studs with Red Apples Pattern
* 
6214px2 Slope, Curved 8 x 2 x 4 Triple with 8 Studs with Red Apples Pattern
Parts: Slope, Curved, Decorated

BrickLink search is very specific.

In this situation apple is incorrect, you must search for either apple* or apples
 Author: Fox_Brickr View Messages Posted By Fox_Brickr
 Posted: Jun 23, 2020 15:39
 Subject: Re: bricklink lego piece not found
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In Catalog, Crafteewon writes:
  In Catalog, foxbricks2009 writes:
  what if i have a piece that i know is lego but i can't find it in the catalog.
could we have a feature for adding your own piece? or should i just make a custom
item?
i have this 2x8 apple bush piece i can't find.

 
Part No: 6214px2  Name: Slope, Curved 8 x 2 x 4 Triple with 8 Studs with Red Apples Pattern
* 
6214px2 Slope, Curved 8 x 2 x 4 Triple with 8 Studs with Red Apples Pattern
Parts: Slope, Curved, Decorated

thank you!
 Author: Crafteewon View Messages Posted By Crafteewon
 Posted: Jun 23, 2020 15:38
 Subject: Re: bricklink lego piece not found
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In Catalog, foxbricks2009 writes:
  what if i have a piece that i know is lego but i can't find it in the catalog.
could we have a feature for adding your own piece? or should i just make a custom
item?
i have this 2x8 apple bush piece i can't find.

 
Part No: 6214px2  Name: Slope, Curved 8 x 2 x 4 Triple with 8 Studs with Red Apples Pattern
* 
6214px2 Slope, Curved 8 x 2 x 4 Triple with 8 Studs with Red Apples Pattern
Parts: Slope, Curved, Decorated
 Author: Fox_Brickr View Messages Posted By Fox_Brickr
 Posted: Jun 23, 2020 15:36
 Subject: bricklink lego piece not found
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what if i have a piece that i know is lego but i can't find it in the catalog.
could we have a feature for adding your own piece? or should i just make a custom
item?
i have this 2x8 apple bush piece i can't find.
 




 Author: Stuart9 View Messages Posted By Stuart9
 Posted: Jun 21, 2020 18:14
 Subject: Re: Modified plate #4151
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Tried to reply quickly and mixed up my tans.




In Catalog, iprice writes:
  In Catalog, Stuart9 writes:
  
 
Part No: 4151b  Name: Plate, Modified 8 x 8 with Grille and Hole in Center
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4151b Plate, Modified 8 x 8 with Grille and Hole in Center
Parts: Plate, Modified


Only supposed to be the b version found in :

 
Set No: 8107  Name: Fight for the Golden Tower
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8107-1 (Inv) Fight for the Golden Tower
559 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 2007
Sets: Exo-Force


Or

 
Set No: 6210  Name: Jabba's Sail Barge
* 
6210-1 (Inv) Jabba's Sail Barge
747 Parts, 8 Minifigures, 2006
Sets: Star Wars: Star Wars Episode 4/5/6


Wrong Sail Barge!
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: Jun 21, 2020 18:14
 Subject: Re: Modified plate #4151
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In Catalog, Squeakie7 writes:
  What set uses 8 x 8 modified plate #4151 with grille in a dark tan? It is not
listed in the catalog.

You’re sure it isn’t a b (with hole)?
 
Part No: 4151b  Name: Plate, Modified 8 x 8 with Grille and Hole in Center
* 
4151b Plate, Modified 8 x 8 with Grille and Hole in Center
Parts: Plate, Modified {Dark Tan}
http://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemIn.asp?P=4151b&colorID=69&in=A

Or it could be from earlier versions of these sets and no one saw or said they
were Alternates (or rather Regular and 4151b an Alternate).
 Author: iprice View Messages Posted By iprice
 Posted: Jun 21, 2020 18:12
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In Catalog, Stuart9 writes:
  
 
Part No: 4151b  Name: Plate, Modified 8 x 8 with Grille and Hole in Center
* 
4151b Plate, Modified 8 x 8 with Grille and Hole in Center
Parts: Plate, Modified


Only supposed to be the b version found in :

 
Set No: 8107  Name: Fight for the Golden Tower
* 
8107-1 (Inv) Fight for the Golden Tower
559 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 2007
Sets: Exo-Force


Or

 
Set No: 6210  Name: Jabba's Sail Barge
* 
6210-1 (Inv) Jabba's Sail Barge
747 Parts, 8 Minifigures, 2006
Sets: Star Wars: Star Wars Episode 4/5/6


Wrong Sail Barge!
 Author: iprice View Messages Posted By iprice
 Posted: Jun 21, 2020 18:10
 Subject: Re: Modified plate #4151
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In Catalog, Squeakie7 writes:
  What set uses 8 x 8 modified plate #4151 with grille in a dark tan? It is not
listed in the catalog.

Jabba's Sail Barge - 75020

https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?S=75020-1&name=Jabba%27s%20Sail%20Barge&category=%5BStar%20Wars%5D%5BStar%20Wars%20Episode%204/5/6%5D#T=I

Strange it's not listed.
 Author: Squeakie7 View Messages Posted By Squeakie7
 Posted: Jun 21, 2020 17:58
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What set uses 8 x 8 modified plate #4151 with grille in a dark tan? It is not
listed in the catalog.
 Author: mjah5 View Messages Posted By mjah5
 Posted: Jun 21, 2020 16:38
 Subject: Re: Terminology - DB to organize my 100,000+ pcs
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In Catalog, jcvp17 writes:
  Hi!
For my personal Lego classification I am using the categories that you can see

Hi jcvp17
I like your classifications. I also love Barcelona.
 Author: jcvp17 View Messages Posted By jcvp17
 Posted: Jun 21, 2020 15:18
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Hi!
For my personal Lego classification I am using the categories that you can see
in the attached image. It works quite well for me, although we already know that
any classification is subjective, arbitrary and can be improved
best regards
jcvp17
 
 Author: Gp8871 View Messages Posted By Gp8871
 Posted: Jun 21, 2020 12:24
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In Catalog, cycbuild writes:
  In Catalog, Gp8871 writes:
  Hello everybody!

Can anyone tell me what is this part, please?

Thanks

Here ya go
 
Part No: 11610  Name: Cone 1 x 1 Inverted with Bar
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11610 Cone 1 x 1 Inverted with Bar
Parts: Cone

Thank you... haven’t thought of searching in that category.

Have a nice day
 Author: cycbuild View Messages Posted By cycbuild
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In Catalog, Gp8871 writes:
  Hello everybody!

Can anyone tell me what is this part, please?

Thanks

Here ya go
 
Part No: 11610  Name: Cone 1 x 1 Inverted with Bar
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11610 Cone 1 x 1 Inverted with Bar
Parts: Cone
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Hello everybody!

Can anyone tell me what is this part, please?

Thanks
 
 Author: mjah5 View Messages Posted By mjah5
 Posted: Jun 21, 2020 04:34
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Hello Soviet, yorbrick, SylvainLS, jeslego, Adjour, m.ws et.al.
Thank-you for your insight and advise. Everyone uses Lego for their own purposes.
Some enjoy playing with it. Some use it to express their creativity. Some use
it to generate cash. All uses are perfectly fine. I like to organize. If I
buy a set, I see that set as fun to assemble but it does not require any organizing.
There is only very limited "chaos" in a boxed set of LEGO. On the other hand,
when I purchase a pile of bricks on eBay, I'm not that interested in the
individual elements, but rather on the huge amount of "chaos" that those elements
represent. I'm not buying the elements, I'm buying the "chaos" that
I can then apply my passion to organizing to remove the "chaos" from the elements.
If my SIPs never get completed I don't really care. I'm not going to
be selling the complete SIP, It will just be stored away. My collection of completed
SIPs holds no more interest for me other than as a measure of how much "chaos"
I have taken great pleasure in removing from the "World of Lost LEGO Elements".
Generally, the expression goes, "The means to the end." In my case I would say
that" The Means is the End."
Reading and thinking about all the great comments that my original post has sparked
has caused me to want to change how I describe myself as a LEGO user. While
I always knew I am not a "Master Builder" I had thought I was a "Master Collector".
The BL community has helped me to realize that I am more properly an "Amateur
Organizer". To suggest that I an a "Master Organizer" would also suggest that
my method of organizing is in some way superior. It's not! it's just
the method that suits my particular "flavour of OCD."

Lastly, regarding the terminology I needed for my DB, with your excellent advise,
I have decided to go with this sequence:
CATEGORY :: PART :: ELEMENT :: PIECE

Thanks to all community member.
If anyone want to discuss further the structure of my DB or how I intend to use
it feel free to carry on this discussion or to message me through this site.

BRICK ON all!
Mark, an "Amateur Organizer"
 Author: w.sm View Messages Posted By w.sm
 Posted: Jun 21, 2020 01:08
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In Catalog, mjah5 writes:
I'm building a MySQL Database to keep track of my collection.


Why are you creating an SQL DB?

Have you thought of using sites that already exist for tracking your collection?

I'm not sure but I think rebrickable can do it.
 Author: Adjour View Messages Posted By Adjour
 Posted: Jun 20, 2020 22:22
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  NEVER find yourself with 300+ sets to restore all at once. I did this too.
It complicates the process unnecessarily. If you have a pile of 1000 parts that
contains 600 you need to finish 8 sets, you have a manageable problem. If you
have a pile of 100k parts that contains the 600 you need to finish 8 sets, you
have a long, long slog ahead of you.

You can not store all of the parts ever produced. Holding odd bits for the day
that they are needed is a bit like waiting for Godot.

Every set has one or two parts that are unusually expensive. If you can quickly
identify these and determine whether you have them, you will be able to decide
if it makes economic sense to spend even one minute restoring this version of
the set. Ditto for Minifigs.



Took the words out of my mouth. This is primarily what I do, and I don't
have 40 sets in progress, let alone 300. I usually finish one lot at a time.
If the set doesn't have the figs, I usually wont bother saving it depending
on what it is.

I try also to buy lots of similar themes, so I have easy spare parts without
having to have "everything that ever existed". I just need "most" of what was
produced 1980- 2000 in my case.

I guess none of that is helpful really to the OP's question. I personally
wouldn't bother trying to set up my situation to operate this way, I would
work on getting the number of sets I intend to sell in my possession waaay down.
 Author: jeslego View Messages Posted By jeslego
 Posted: Jun 20, 2020 17:59
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In Catalog, mjah5 writes:
  Hi all.
BACKGROUND: Let my start by saying that unlike my grandchildren, Marcus and
Soren, I am not a "Master Builder". I am a "Master Collector." My brick hobby
is to purchase long forgotten brick collections from parents of teen + former
brick fan that have been collecting dust in the basement or attic for years.
Once in my possession, I discard the fake pieces, wash the real ones then sort
them out looking for the special pieces that will tell me which sets the original
owner possessed.Then I try to re-assemble those sets.
PROBLEM: Currently, I have about 330 sets that I have identified as previously
owned. Those are my SIPs, "sets-in-progress." Each SIP has a container where
I store the parts that I've located. Together those 330 SIPs consist of
approximately 56,000 pieces. Of those, I have located about 23,000 pieces and
I am still looking for the other 23,000 pieces. I would guess my personal brick
collection consists of 100,000+ pieces that are not currently assigned to a SIP.
They are sorted and stored in other many other containers. When I need to locate
a piece for a SIP I look in about 5 "likely" containers then give up. Do I not
have the piece or is just in one of the many many "unlikely" containers?
SOLUTION: I'm building a MySQL Database to keep track of my collection.
Using BL's category system, there exist many bricks, slopes, arches etc.,
based more or less on shape. Within the sub-category bricks there are 1x1,
2x2, 2x4 etc., more or less based on size.
QUESTIONS: Q1;What are these sub-categories called? I would call them an ELEMENT.
is that correct? is there a better name for the sub-categories? Further, the
sub-categories such as 1x1 bricks of course come in many colours. Q2: What are
these sub-sub-categories called, or what are these ELEMENTs with a particular
colour called? I would call them a PART. Correct? Any other better name?
Q3; Lastly, if I hold in my hand, one blue 1x1 brick, what should that be called?
I would suggest that is a PIECE. Correct? Any better answer?
CATEGORY :: ELEMENT :: PART :: PIECE ??

I liked Sylvain's answer, but my perspective is a little different.

A very long time ago, I started doing what you are doing, with the intent of
creating a business for my kids. It pays okay, but not enough to support an
adult. It is something to do when there is nothing to do.

Defining the objects in a LEGO database can be done. But it will take lots of
time to populate and maintain. The data design time has already being expended
by other organizations. The structure of the Bricklink catalog may not be ideal,
but it is free.

As noted elsewhere in the thread, the mold numbers and even minor part variations
start to matter as set age to the point where they are bought for nostalgia or
collections. If this is your market, you will need a database that warns you
when to do more than just check the shape and color of the parts.

But if your market is making people happy by providing them with a fun building
experience that is less costly than what it would be to buy the sets new, than
there are some shortcuts you can take.

Everything you need to finish a set is available for sale. Hence the real question
becomes whether it is less expensive to look for it in your inventory or on line.


There is a core of basic LEGO parts. Sort those by shape. They will be the
bulk of what you have in your 100k inventory. Storage is naturally self sorting.
Bricks, plates, slopes, wings, arches, lift arms, small technic parts, etc.
This speeds the bulk of your searches.

NEVER find yourself with 300+ sets to restore all at once. I did this too.
It complicates the process unnecessarily. If you have a pile of 1000 parts that
contains 600 you need to finish 8 sets, you have a manageable problem. If you
have a pile of 100k parts that contains the 600 you need to finish 8 sets, you
have a long, long slog ahead of you.

You can not store all of the parts ever produced. Holding odd bits for the day
that they are needed is a bit like waiting for Godot.

Every set has one or two parts that are unusually expensive. If you can quickly
identify these and determine whether you have them, you will be able to decide
if it makes economic sense to spend even one minute restoring this version of
the set. Ditto for Minifigs.

If you want to build and maintain databases, by all means do so. But a better
database will not help you complete sets any faster. If your time is worth $60
per hour and it takes you a minute to tag, store, and record the location of
a $1 part, you will lose money on said part when you pay for its storage space
or go to transfer it to a set.

Good Luck
 Author: mjah5 View Messages Posted By mjah5
 Posted: Jun 20, 2020 17:36
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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  First, that you have trouble finding names for your entities is a big clue they
are the wrong entities.

Vocabulary-wise, “element,” ”part” and “piece” are mostly the same thing.
LEGO uses “design” for the mould (and decor ) and “element” for design + colour.
LEGO’s “DesignID” is the number most often used by BL, LDraw and others as a
“part ID” or “name” (the text explaining the part is then a “description”).
And LEGO’s “ElementID,” the 6-digit number that appears in their instructions,
is what BL calls a PCC / Part-Colour-Code.

So, you found out that BL’s categories are “more or less based on shape.” That
means they aren’t.
Then you thought about colours. “Everybody knows” you don’t sort LEGO by colour

Then you found that many pieces share the same shape and are distinguished by
their size. Not all are.

So, what are you trying to do with this? Are you are trying to categorize your
parts to fit them in containers?
Then what you found out is that parts have attributes: general shape, size, colour,
and you “more or less” ordered them: shape first, then colour, then size.
Okay, that’s some sort of sieve system to define containers.
But why do you need to put that in you DB?

You have a list of parts of one side, your inventory, and lists of parts on the
other side, the wanted parts for the sets.
How will the database be used? You need to know first if the exact part (ID
+ colour) is in your inventory and, second, where it’s stored if it is.
Where do this categorization of yours is used in the DB?
Nowhere that I see.

Or do you want to have an algorithm that takes a BL part (ID + description +
colour) and turns out a container number?
But does it have to be in the DB? Not that I see.

So I don’t see a need to complicate your DB. You just need to have four main
tables: parts (BL id + description), colours, inventories (list of parts in a
given colour and in a given quantity), and containers (association between a
location and parts).

Besides, you’ll quickly find all “shapes” don’t divise regularly (or at all)
into “colours” or “sizes” (most of the heads are yellow; slopes first divise
by angle, not size; Technic connectors don’t come in many colours nor sizes; etc.).
Especially if you use BL categories as “shapes.”

On this note, here’s a rough categorization that some sellers (who sort many
parts) use as a first sieve:
  Bricks & Arches
  Brick Modified & Round
  Plate
  Plate Modified & Round
  Slope
  Technic
  Tile & Panel
  Minifig
  Other
They are about the same size in a “standard” collection. This might help you
devise your containers’ organization.

Hello SylvainLS, thank-you for the very useful information. You raise some very
good points. in my initial message I did not describe the structure of the DB
I am building because it was un-necessary to the information I was seeking and
would have taken far to many keystrokes and doubtlessly many readers wouldn't
have cared less and some would have been confused regardless. However, since
you raised the issue, I'll try to be brief.
My SIPs are managed adequately by BL using the WANTED LISTS. While I may in
the future move that info into the DB, currently the DB is just for my unassigned
pieces. My plan is to assign each of my existing containers into the `Containers`
table. There will also be a `Colours` and a `Categories` table. The Containers
table will be linked to the Colours and Categories tables. Some containers will
have only one colour and one category, but as you point out some. container will
colour and category lines, such as the container for my "larger-ish" TRANSparent
pieces.
My next table will, as you suggest, be for PARTS linking part descriptions to
category descriptions. The last table will be, likely called ELEMENTS will link
PARTS to COLOURS and to a particular container and will list a ELEMENT count
for the for that container. Were I to have many Blue 2x4 bricks that I required
a second container, the ELEMENTS table would have two or more entries (a one
to many relationship).
Once all set up, my PLAN FOR USE is to use the BL WANTED LISTS to identify missing
SIP elements then to query my DB to identify which one or more of my containers
hold those elements. Update both DBs then move on to the next missing Element.
If I don't have the missing element then I can use BL to purchase it. Right
now, I don't want to purchase anything from BL because I'm not 100% certain
I don't already have it somewhere.
Like I said, thank-you for your excellent and helpful information on sorting,
storing and managing my collection.
Regards, Mark
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In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  It is the other way around. A 1x1 brick is a part. A 1x1 brick in blue is an
element. A single piece in your hand can be called piece or part or element,
whatever you want really.

Hello yorbrick, thank-you for the information. I like your suggestion and will
likely go with it.
Regards, Mark
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In Catalog, Soviet writes:
  Interesting, I would love to see a photo of your "SIP wall". Maybe you should
look into buying boxes and instructions to fully complete the sets?

To answer your question, Category Element Part seems correct, but I think
that Part is already a Piece, by your nomenclature. I guess the proper BrickLink
way would be Category Item (for a certain item) and then maybe Piece for an
Item in specific color. Maybe you should also introduce "Mold" into the database,
because--as you probably know--some of the old items used to look quite
different.

But my most important point is: if you're adding all your pieces to a database,
why not add them to BrickLink inventory? Even better, you can try Rebrickable,
which will give you a lot of interesting options when looking into completing
sets.

Soviet, thank-you for the information and assistance. I will be sending you
a personal message with a picture of my SIPs and my many containers of unassigned
pieces.
The issue of mould differences and older pieces general is a concern. I try
to keep my SIPs period correct. I have separate containers for older pieces
where the PIP marks are on the side rather than in the middle of one of the studs
as is the case I do use BL to manage my SIPS. Currently I have 358 Wanted Lists,
one per SIP. I had considered using BL's Inventory feature to manage my
unassigned pieces, however, that is only available to Sellers members, not to
Buyers. Therefore, I'm using this project as a learning opportunity to develop
a DB with a web interface. Programming is my other passion.
Regards, Mark
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In Catalog, mjah5 writes:
  Hi all.
BACKGROUND: Let my start by saying that unlike my grandchildren, Marcus and
Soren, I am not a "Master Builder". I am a "Master Collector." My brick hobby
is to purchase long forgotten brick collections from parents of teen + former
brick fan that have been collecting dust in the basement or attic for years.
Once in my possession, I discard the fake pieces, wash the real ones then sort
them out looking for the special pieces that will tell me which sets the original
owner possessed.Then I try to re-assemble those sets.
PROBLEM: Currently, I have about 330 sets that I have identified as previously
owned. Those are my SIPs, "sets-in-progress." Each SIP has a container where
I store the parts that I've located. Together those 330 SIPs consist of
approximately 56,000 pieces. Of those, I have located about 23,000 pieces and
I am still looking for the other 23,000 pieces. I would guess my personal brick
collection consists of 100,000+ pieces that are not currently assigned to a SIP.
They are sorted and stored in other many other containers. When I need to locate
a piece for a SIP I look in about 5 "likely" containers then give up. Do I not
have the piece or is just in one of the many many "unlikely" containers?
SOLUTION: I'm building a MySQL Database to keep track of my collection.
Using BL's category system, there exist many bricks, slopes, arches etc.,
based more or less on shape. Within the sub-category bricks there are 1x1,
2x2, 2x4 etc., more or less based on size.
QUESTIONS: Q1;What are these sub-categories called? I would call them an ELEMENT.
is that correct? is there a better name for the sub-categories? Further, the
sub-categories such as 1x1 bricks of course come in many colours. Q2: What are
these sub-sub-categories called, or what are these ELEMENTs with a particular
colour called? I would call them a PART. Correct? Any other better name?
Q3; Lastly, if I hold in my hand, one blue 1x1 brick, what should that be called?
I would suggest that is a PIECE. Correct? Any better answer?
CATEGORY :: ELEMENT :: PART :: PIECE ??

First, that you have trouble finding names for your entities is a big clue they
are the wrong entities.

Vocabulary-wise, “element,” ”part” and “piece” are mostly the same thing.
LEGO uses “design” for the mould (and decor ) and “element” for design + colour.
LEGO’s “DesignID” is the number most often used by BL, LDraw and others as a
“part ID” or “name” (the text explaining the part is then a “description”).
And LEGO’s “ElementID,” the 6-digit number that appears in their instructions,
is what BL calls a PCC / Part-Colour-Code.

So, you found out that BL’s categories are “more or less based on shape.” That
means they aren’t.
Then you thought about colours. “Everybody knows” you don’t sort LEGO by colour

Then you found that many pieces share the same shape and are distinguished by
their size. Not all are.

So, what are you trying to do with this? Are you are trying to categorize your
parts to fit them in containers?
Then what you found out is that parts have attributes: general shape, size, colour,
and you “more or less” ordered them: shape first, then colour, then size.
Okay, that’s some sort of sieve system to define containers.
But why do you need to put that in you DB?

You have a list of parts of one side, your inventory, and lists of parts on the
other side, the wanted parts for the sets.
How will the database be used? You need to know first if the exact part (ID
+ colour) is in your inventory and, second, where it’s stored if it is.
Where do this categorization of yours is used in the DB?
Nowhere that I see.

Or do you want to have an algorithm that takes a BL part (ID + description +
colour) and turns out a container number?
But does it have to be in the DB? Not that I see.

So I don’t see a need to complicate your DB. You just need to have four main
tables: parts (BL id + description), colours, inventories (list of parts in a
given colour and in a given quantity), and containers (association between a
location and parts).

Besides, you’ll quickly find all “shapes” don’t divise regularly (or at all)
into “colours” or “sizes” (most of the heads are yellow; slopes first divise
by angle, not size; Technic connectors don’t come in many colours nor sizes; etc.).
Especially if you use BL categories as “shapes.”

On this note, here’s a rough categorization that some sellers (who sort many
parts) use as a first sieve:
  Bricks & Arches
  Brick Modified & Round
  Plate
  Plate Modified & Round
  Slope
  Technic
  Tile & Panel
  Minifig
  Other
They are about the same size in a “standard” collection. This might help you
devise your containers’ organization.
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  QUESTIONS: Q1;What are these sub-categories called? I would call them an ELEMENT.
is that correct? is there a better name for the sub-categories? Further, the
sub-categories such as 1x1 bricks of course come in many colours. Q2: What are
these sub-sub-categories called, or what are these ELEMENTs with a particular
colour called? I would call them a PART. Correct? Any other better name?
Q3; Lastly, if I hold in my hand, one blue 1x1 brick, what should that be called?
I would suggest that is a PIECE. Correct? Any better answer?
CATEGORY :: ELEMENT :: PART :: PIECE ??

It is the other way around. A 1x1 brick is a part. A 1x1 brick in blue is an
element. A single piece in your hand can be called piece or part or element,
whatever you want really.
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Interesting, I would love to see a photo of your "SIP wall". Maybe you should
look into buying boxes and instructions to fully complete the sets?

To answer your question, Category Element Part seems correct, but I think
that Part is already a Piece, by your nomenclature. I guess the proper BrickLink
way would be Category Item (for a certain item) and then maybe Piece for an
Item in specific color. Maybe you should also introduce "Mold" into the database,
because--as you probably know--some of the old items used to look quite
different.

But my most important point is: if you're adding all your pieces to a database,
why not add them to BrickLink inventory? Even better, you can try Rebrickable,
which will give you a lot of interesting options when looking into completing
sets.

In Catalog, mjah5 writes:
  Hi all.
BACKGROUND: Let my start by saying that unlike my grandchildren, Marcus and
Soren, I am not a "Master Builder". I am a "Master Collector." My brick hobby
is to purchase long forgotten brick collections from parents of teen + former
brick fan that have been collecting dust in the basement or attic for years.
Once in my possession, I discard the fake pieces, wash the real ones then sort
them out looking for the special pieces that will tell me which sets the original
owner possessed.Then I try to re-assemble those sets.
PROBLEM: Currently, I have about 330 sets that I have identified as previously
owned. Those are my SIPs, "sets-in-progress." Each SIP has a container where
I store the parts that I've located. Together those 330 SIPs consist of
approximately 56,000 pieces. Of those, I have located about 23,000 pieces and
I am still looking for the other 23,000 pieces. I would guess my personal brick
collection consists of 100,000+ pieces that are not currently assigned to a SIP.
They are sorted and stored in other many other containers. When I need to locate
a piece for a SIP I look in about 5 "likely" containers then give up. Do I not
have the piece or is just in one of the many many "unlikely" containers?
SOLUTION: I'm building a MySQL Database to keep track of my collection.
Using BL's category system, there exist many bricks, slopes, arches etc.,
based more or less on shape. Within the sub-category bricks there are 1x1,
2x2, 2x4 etc., more or less based on size.
QUESTIONS: Q1;What are these sub-categories called? I would call them an ELEMENT.
is that correct? is there a better name for the sub-categories? Further, the
sub-categories such as 1x1 bricks of course come in many colours. Q2: What are
these sub-sub-categories called, or what are these ELEMENTs with a particular
colour called? I would call them a PART. Correct? Any other better name?
Q3; Lastly, if I hold in my hand, one blue 1x1 brick, what should that be called?
I would suggest that is a PIECE. Correct? Any better answer?
CATEGORY :: ELEMENT :: PART :: PIECE ??
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Hi all.
BACKGROUND: Let my start by saying that unlike my grandchildren, Marcus and
Soren, I am not a "Master Builder". I am a "Master Collector." My brick hobby
is to purchase long forgotten brick collections from parents of teen + former
brick fan that have been collecting dust in the basement or attic for years.
Once in my possession, I discard the fake pieces, wash the real ones then sort
them out looking for the special pieces that will tell me which sets the original
owner possessed.Then I try to re-assemble those sets.
PROBLEM: Currently, I have about 330 sets that I have identified as previously
owned. Those are my SIPs, "sets-in-progress." Each SIP has a container where
I store the parts that I've located. Together those 330 SIPs consist of
approximately 56,000 pieces. Of those, I have located about 23,000 pieces and
I am still looking for the other 23,000 pieces. I would guess my personal brick
collection consists of 100,000+ pieces that are not currently assigned to a SIP.
They are sorted and stored in other many other containers. When I need to locate
a piece for a SIP I look in about 5 "likely" containers then give up. Do I not
have the piece or is just in one of the many many "unlikely" containers?
SOLUTION: I'm building a MySQL Database to keep track of my collection.
Using BL's category system, there exist many bricks, slopes, arches etc.,
based more or less on shape. Within the sub-category bricks there are 1x1,
2x2, 2x4 etc., more or less based on size.
QUESTIONS: Q1;What are these sub-categories called? I would call them an ELEMENT.
is that correct? is there a better name for the sub-categories? Further, the
sub-categories such as 1x1 bricks of course come in many colours. Q2: What are
these sub-sub-categories called, or what are these ELEMENTs with a particular
colour called? I would call them a PART. Correct? Any other better name?
Q3; Lastly, if I hold in my hand, one blue 1x1 brick, what should that be called?
I would suggest that is a PIECE. Correct? Any better answer?
CATEGORY :: ELEMENT :: PART :: PIECE ??
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Nice catch! Ask for a note and submit your image to show the differences.

In Catalog, crepundi writes:
  I noticed there are two versions of the 1 x 4 x 5 glass with 9 stripes,
 
Part No: 2494pb08  Name: Glass for Window 1 x 4 x 5 with 9 White Stripes Pattern (Sticker) - Sets 6386 / 6540
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2494pb08 Glass for Window 1 x 4 x 5 with 9 White Stripes Pattern (Sticker) - Sets 6386 / 6540
Parts: Window, Glass & Shutter, Decorated
one has more wider and the other one more narrow stripes.
Looking at the sticker sheets of the two sets this part comes from I believe
the narrow one is from set 6386
 
Set No: 6386  Name: Police Command Base
* 
6386-1 (Inv) Police Command Base
347 Parts, 4 Minifigures, 1986
Sets: Town: Classic Town: Police
and the wider from set 6540
 
Set No: 6540  Name: Pier Police
* 
6540-1 (Inv) Pier Police
315 Parts, 4 Minifigures, 1991
Sets: Town: Classic Town: Police
Maybe there should be a remark about this.


Besides: how can I show a sticker sheet in a message?

Gisela
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In Catalog, crepundi writes:
  I noticed there are two versions of the 1 x 4 x 5 glass with 9 stripes,
 
Part No: 2494pb08  Name: Glass for Window 1 x 4 x 5 with 9 White Stripes Pattern (Sticker) - Sets 6386 / 6540
* 
2494pb08 Glass for Window 1 x 4 x 5 with 9 White Stripes Pattern (Sticker) - Sets 6386 / 6540
Parts: Window, Glass & Shutter, Decorated
one has more wider and the other one more narrow stripes.
Looking at the sticker sheets of the two sets this part comes from I believe
the narrow one is from set 6386
 
Set No: 6386  Name: Police Command Base
* 
6386-1 (Inv) Police Command Base
347 Parts, 4 Minifigures, 1986
Sets: Town: Classic Town: Police
and the wider from set 6540
 
Set No: 6540  Name: Pier Police
* 
6540-1 (Inv) Pier Police
315 Parts, 4 Minifigures, 1991
Sets: Town: Classic Town: Police
Maybe there should be a remark about this.


Besides: how can I show a sticker sheet in a message?

Stickers are parts.

 
Part No: 6386stk01  Name: Sticker Sheet for Set 6386 - (190805)
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6386stk01 Sticker Sheet for Set 6386 - (190805)
Parts: Sticker Sheet
 
Part No: 6540stk01  Name: Sticker Sheet for Set 6540 - (820671)
* 
6540stk01 Sticker Sheet for Set 6540 - (820671)
Parts: Sticker Sheet
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I noticed there are two versions of the 1 x 4 x 5 glass with 9 stripes,
 
Part No: 2494pb08  Name: Glass for Window 1 x 4 x 5 with 9 White Stripes Pattern (Sticker) - Sets 6386 / 6540
* 
2494pb08 Glass for Window 1 x 4 x 5 with 9 White Stripes Pattern (Sticker) - Sets 6386 / 6540
Parts: Window, Glass & Shutter, Decorated
one has more wider and the other one more narrow stripes.
Looking at the sticker sheets of the two sets this part comes from I believe
the narrow one is from set 6386
 
Set No: 6386  Name: Police Command Base
* 
6386-1 (Inv) Police Command Base
347 Parts, 4 Minifigures, 1986
Sets: Town: Classic Town: Police
and the wider from set 6540
 
Set No: 6540  Name: Pier Police
* 
6540-1 (Inv) Pier Police
315 Parts, 4 Minifigures, 1991
Sets: Town: Classic Town: Police
Maybe there should be a remark about this.


Besides: how can I show a sticker sheet in a message?

Gisela
 
 Author: lego.12vtrains View Messages Posted By lego.12vtrains
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Thanks for reporting this and for the hint.
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In Catalog, lego.12vtrains writes:
  Hi StormChaser,

from your words I suspect these guidelines will become more and more restrictive, and this fact scares me enough

The actual catalog guidelines page will be opened for public comment and subsequent
modification before being implemented. So watch for that and take the opportunity
to provide feedback on anything you find objectionable or frightening.
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Hi StormChaser,

thanks for taking part in the discussion and for explaining us the reasons of
this rejection, I perfectly understand that first of all you Admins want to get
your guidelines figured out before taking some decisions, but from your words
I suspect these guidelines will become more and more restrictive, and this fact
scares me enough: how could more restrictive guidelines help the catalogue to
become more precise and accurate?
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It is a nice catch! You should ask for a note at catalog requests and submit
a image with the difference. Cheers!

In Catalog, bricksahead writes:
  Part #76338 is considered an alternate item id for part #4895. I noticed that
Duplo bed, part #4895 has a mold marking in the center of the bed while Duplo
bed, part #76338 has a mold marking inside a bottom tube.

Is this something that should be added to the catalog?

I checked 17 beds, part #76388, and they all have mold markings inside a bottom
tube, and 7 beds, part #4895 that all have mold marking on top of the bed (in
the center).

 
Part No: 4895  Name: Duplo, Furniture Bed 3 x 5 x 1 2/3
* 
4895 Duplo, Furniture Bed 3 x 5 x 1 2/3
Parts: DUPLO, Furniture
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Part #76338 is considered an alternate item id for part #4895. I noticed that
Duplo bed, part #4895 has a mold marking in the center of the bed while Duplo
bed, part #76338 has a mold marking inside a bottom tube.

Is this something that should be added to the catalog?

I checked 17 beds, part #76388, and they all have mold markings inside a bottom
tube, and 7 beds, part #4895 that all have mold marking on top of the bed (in
the center).

 
Part No: 4895  Name: Duplo, Furniture Bed 3 x 5 x 1 2/3
* 
4895 Duplo, Furniture Bed 3 x 5 x 1 2/3
Parts: DUPLO, Furniture
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In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  In Catalog, legohed writes:
  Hi all,


New member here...

I'm interested to know if there is a list anywhere of the sets with their
retirement date.

I see the 'year released' on all the item pages, but nothing on retirement.

If anyone can help I'd be most grateful

Thanks!

Do you mean already retired sets? If so, look on brickset, they have data the
sets were available direct from LEGO so about as close to a retirement date as
you can get.

For future retirements, there are only guesses.


Thank you!
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In Catalog, legohed writes:
  Hi all,


New member here...

I'm interested to know if there is a list anywhere of the sets with their
retirement date.

I see the 'year released' on all the item pages, but nothing on retirement.

If anyone can help I'd be most grateful

Thanks!

Do you mean already retired sets? If so, look on brickset, they have data the
sets were available direct from LEGO so about as close to a retirement date as
you can get.

For future retirements, there are only guesses.
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Hi all,


New member here...

I'm interested to know if there is a list anywhere of the sets with their
retirement date.

I see the 'year released' on all the item pages, but nothing on retirement.

If anyone can help I'd be most grateful

Thanks!
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  As far as I know they are not assemblies because they came separate in the sets.
I have separated hundreds/thousands without causing any damage.

I believe that assemblies are not only made for pre-assembled parts in sets.
Example:

 
Part No: 2878c02  Name: Train Wheel RC, Holder with 2 Black Train Wheel RC Train and Chrome Silver Train Wheel RC Train, Metal Axle (2878 / 57878 / x1687)
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2878c02 (Inv) Train Wheel RC, Holder with 2 Black Train Wheel RC Train and Chrome Silver Train Wheel RC Train, Metal Axle (2878 / 57878 / x1687)
Parts: Wheel

This part is even easier to disassemble than the hinges, and have no risk of
inducing stress marks.

/Jan
 Author: Stellar View Messages Posted By Stellar
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  Behold what we approved today

Sorry, looks like we had a bit of a technological hiccup with these changes.
We're sorting it out.


ohhh hope to see them again soon
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  Behold what we approved today

Sorry, looks like we had a bit of a technological hiccup with these changes.
We're sorting it out.
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In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
  Hello

I was about to sell a lot of assemblies of
 
Part No: 6134  Name: Hinge Brick 2 x 2 Top Plate
* 
6134 Hinge Brick 2 x 2 Top Plate
Parts: Hinge
and
 
Part No: 3937  Name: Hinge Brick 1 x 2 Base
* 
3937 Hinge Brick 1 x 2 Base
Parts: Hinge
and found out
that no such assemblies exist in the catalog like they do for the 3939c* assemblies
with
 
Part No: 3938  Name: Hinge Brick 1 x 2 Top Plate
* 
3938 Hinge Brick 1 x 2 Top Plate
Parts: Hinge
tops. So if I want to sell them on BL, I have to disassemble them
and I have found that to be very difficult. In many cases, it leaves stressmarks
on the small hooks on the bases, and then I need to discard them.

So, is there any project planned to make assemblies for these? They come in two
flavors depending on whether the top turns upwards or downwards, so the amount
of parts needed would approx. be doubled compared to the 3937c* assemblies. But
IMHO, it would really help sellers.

/Jan

As far as I know they are not assemblies because they came separate in the sets.
I have separated hundreds/thousands without causing any damage.
 Author: normann1974 View Messages Posted By normann1974
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Hello

I was about to sell a lot of assemblies of
 
Part No: 6134  Name: Hinge Brick 2 x 2 Top Plate
* 
6134 Hinge Brick 2 x 2 Top Plate
Parts: Hinge
and
 
Part No: 3937  Name: Hinge Brick 1 x 2 Base
* 
3937 Hinge Brick 1 x 2 Base
Parts: Hinge
and found out
that no such assemblies exist in the catalog like they do for the 3939c* assemblies
with
 
Part No: 3938  Name: Hinge Brick 1 x 2 Top Plate
* 
3938 Hinge Brick 1 x 2 Top Plate
Parts: Hinge
tops. So if I want to sell them on BL, I have to disassemble them
and I have found that to be very difficult. In many cases, it leaves stressmarks
on the small hooks on the bases, and then I need to discard them.

So, is there any project planned to make assemblies for these? They come in two
flavors depending on whether the top turns upwards or downwards, so the amount
of parts needed would approx. be doubled compared to the 3937c* assemblies. But
IMHO, it would really help sellers.

/Jan
 Author: Rick_S. View Messages Posted By Rick_S.
 Posted: Jun 17, 2020 13:43
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, bje writes:
  Can I resubmit my pickable models from 2012 or are you just going to change
the instruction entries to sets?

It doesn't appear to cause any problems to change instructions to
sets, so for existing instructions this is probably what will occur - except
possibly in cases where there are large numbers of items for sale.

Here's one changed:

 
Set No: Torque  Name: Toys "R" Us Exclusive Build - Rod "Torque" Redline
* 
TORQUE-1 (Inv) Toys "R" Us Exclusive Build - Rod "Torque" Redline
30 Parts, 2011
Sets: Building Event: Cars: Cars 2

I tried listing those instructions when I listed the sticker sheet for the set
and it got denied, guess rules changed?
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Add this one please!

[g=3850011]

A lot of the listings are already for the set and not the instructions.

In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, bje writes:

Thanks!

  
  Can I resubmit my pickable models from 2012 or are you just going to change
the instruction entries to sets?

It doesn't appear to cause any problems to change instructions to
sets, so for existing instructions this is probably what will occur - except
possibly in cases where there are large numbers of items for sale.

Here's one changed:

 
Set No: Torque  Name: Toys "R" Us Exclusive Build - Rod "Torque" Redline
* 
TORQUE-1 (Inv) Toys "R" Us Exclusive Build - Rod "Torque" Redline
30 Parts, 2011
Sets: Building Event: Cars: Cars 2
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In Catalog, bje writes:
  Can I resubmit my pickable models from 2012 or are you just going to change
the instruction entries to sets?

It doesn't appear to cause any problems to change instructions to
sets, so for existing instructions this is probably what will occur - except
possibly in cases where there are large numbers of items for sale.

Here's one changed:

 
Set No: Torque  Name: Toys "R" Us Exclusive Build - Rod "Torque" Redline
* 
TORQUE-1 (Inv) Toys "R" Us Exclusive Build - Rod "Torque" Redline
30 Parts, 2011
Sets: Building Event: Cars: Cars 2
 Author: starbeanie View Messages Posted By starbeanie
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I just submitted the set image for it.


In Catalog, bje writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  Looks like things are changing around here. Behold what we approved today:

 
Set No: ST  Name: LEGO Brand Store Exclusive Build - Castle Byers
* 
ST-1 (Inv) LEGO Brand Store Exclusive Build - Castle Byers
50 Parts, 2019
Sets: LEGO Brand: LEGO Brand Store: Building Event: Stranger Things



Whoot! Can I resubmit my pickable models from 2012 or are you just going to change
the instruction entries to sets?
 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  Looks like things are changing around here. Behold what we approved today:

 
Set No: ST  Name: LEGO Brand Store Exclusive Build - Castle Byers
* 
ST-1 (Inv) LEGO Brand Store Exclusive Build - Castle Byers
50 Parts, 2019
Sets: LEGO Brand: LEGO Brand Store: Building Event: Stranger Things



Whoot! Can I resubmit my pickable models from 2012 or are you just going to change
the instruction entries to sets?
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
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Looks like things are changing around here. Behold what we approved today:

 
Set No: ST  Name: LEGO Brand Store Exclusive Build - Castle Byers
* 
ST-1 (Inv) LEGO Brand Store Exclusive Build - Castle Byers
50 Parts, 2019
Sets: LEGO Brand: LEGO Brand Store: Building Event: Stranger Things

 Author: electricbaer View Messages Posted By electricbaer
 Posted: Jun 16, 2020 23:54
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In Catalog, crazylegoman writes:
  I imagine it would make the most sense to have it be a part that's an assembly
of these parts:
 
Part No: sailbb22  Name: Cloth Sail 27 x 17 Top with Blue Thick Stripes Pattern
* 
sailbb22 Cloth Sail 27 x 17 Top with Blue Thick Stripes Pattern
Parts: Cloth
 
Part No: sailbb21  Name: Cloth Sail 30 x 15 Bottom with Blue Thick Stripes Pattern
* 
sailbb21 Cloth Sail 30 x 15 Bottom with Blue Thick Stripes Pattern
Parts: Cloth
 
Part No: sailbb20  Name: Cloth Sail Triangular 15 x 22 with Blue Thick Stripes Pattern
* 
sailbb20 Cloth Sail Triangular 15 x 22 with Blue Thick Stripes Pattern
Parts: Cloth

Then, of course, the inventory of the assembly would consist of the 3 above parts.

David

Agreed - and I definitely don't want to miss the opportunity to catalog them
still attached like this - as I'll wager there's not many of these left
still intact like this (aside from the few and far between sealed sets for this
set).

This definitely ranks at the top for one of the rarest discoveries I've had
in a used pile. That and a 10123 set with all the factory bags still sealed
 Author: crazylegoman View Messages Posted By crazylegoman
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I imagine it would make the most sense to have it be a part that's an assembly
of these parts:
 
Part No: sailbb22  Name: Cloth Sail 27 x 17 Top with Blue Thick Stripes Pattern
* 
sailbb22 Cloth Sail 27 x 17 Top with Blue Thick Stripes Pattern
Parts: Cloth
 
Part No: sailbb21  Name: Cloth Sail 30 x 15 Bottom with Blue Thick Stripes Pattern
* 
sailbb21 Cloth Sail 30 x 15 Bottom with Blue Thick Stripes Pattern
Parts: Cloth
 
Part No: sailbb20  Name: Cloth Sail Triangular 15 x 22 with Blue Thick Stripes Pattern
* 
sailbb20 Cloth Sail Triangular 15 x 22 with Blue Thick Stripes Pattern
Parts: Cloth

Then, of course, the inventory of the assembly would consist of the 3 above parts.

David
 Author: starbeanie View Messages Posted By starbeanie
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Sweet!!!!

In Catalog, electricbaer writes:
  I've come across this rare gem - A full, uncut set of sails from the Carribbean
Clipper, still attached, never used. Well, obviously I'd classify this particular
one as used as I found it floating around in a box of parts. But anyway, I don't
see a catalog entry for the sails still being attached. I'd be happy to
submit them as an entry if they are quantifiable. I'd plan to straighten
them before posting a pic - They're still a tad bit wrinkly from taking a
bath, I mean, they are 31 years old
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I've come across this rare gem - A full, uncut set of sails from the Carribbean
Clipper, still attached, never used. Well, obviously I'd classify this particular
one as used as I found it floating around in a box of parts. But anyway, I don't
see a catalog entry for the sails still being attached. I'd be happy to
submit them as an entry if they are quantifiable. I'd plan to straighten
them before posting a pic - They're still a tad bit wrinkly from taking a
bath, I mean, they are 31 years old
 
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, Fragty writes:
  Come to think of it...it's even remarkable that stickered parts from idea
books are in the catalog.

  Maybe because these particular ones (bill and mary)
are so iconic that they deserve a spot in the catalog?

They should not be in the catalog. I faced some pushback when suggesting they
be removed, though. The only reason given was "historical reasons."

What pushback? These should obviously not be in the catalog.
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In Catalog, Fragty writes:
  Come to think of it...it's even remarkable that stickered parts from idea
books are in the catalog.

  Maybe because these particular ones (bill and mary)
are so iconic that they deserve a spot in the catalog?

They should not be in the catalog. I faced some pushback when suggesting they
be removed, though. The only reason given was "historical reasons."
 Author: Fragty View Messages Posted By Fragty
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Come to think of it...it's even remarkable that stickered parts from idea
books are in the catalog. Maybe because these particular ones (bill and mary)
are so iconic that they deserve a spot in the catalog?
I wonder if there are more in the catalog...
 Author: Fragty View Messages Posted By Fragty
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In Catalog, beasville writes:
  
 
Part No: 973pb0385  Name: Torso Idea Book 6000 Mary with 7 Red Dots Pattern (Sticker)
* 
973pb0385 Torso Idea Book 6000 Mary with 7 Red Dots Pattern (Sticker)
Parts: Minifigure, Torso


This part has 1 known colour listed: white. But the only picture is of this part
in red. This torso is found in one part, that part is also listed as white.

Could an additional known colour of red be added? The Torso assembly would be
red torso, red arms, red hands.

Imo we shouldnt, because this is actually a misplaced sticker so its more or
less a custom item. If you gonna add that to the catalog, you would have to
add every misplaced sticker, and since you can place stickers everywhere there
will be no end...


The part you mention is sold by one store, and thats his picture too I believe.

btw There is a picture of the white version, but its the torso assembly
 
Part No: 973pb0385c01  Name: Torso Idea Book 6000 Mary with 7 Red Dots Pattern (Sticker) / White Arms / Yellow Hands
* 
973pb0385c01 (Inv) Torso Idea Book 6000 Mary with 7 Red Dots Pattern (Sticker) / White Arms / Yellow Hands
Parts: Minifigure, Torso Assembly, Decor.
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Part No: 973pb0385  Name: Torso Idea Book 6000 Mary with 7 Red Dots Pattern (Sticker)
* 
973pb0385 Torso Idea Book 6000 Mary with 7 Red Dots Pattern (Sticker)
Parts: Minifigure, Torso


This part has 1 known colour listed: white. But the only picture is of this part
in red. This torso is found in one part, that part is also listed as white.

Could an additional known colour of red be added? The Torso assembly would be
red torso, red arms, red hands.
 Author: tonnic View Messages Posted By tonnic
 Posted: Jun 16, 2020 04:29
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In Catalog, novabrick writes:
  In Catalog, primadeluxe writes:
  All the baseplates from the 70's, which I have from original sets, have different
tubes (do you call them tubes?) compared with newer baseplates. I do not know
when this chance took place, but is it worth to add a note for these baseplates
as they come in different variations?

It would be a lot of work making pictures aspecially with all the baseplates
with white dots and I certainly do not have them all.

On the attached picture is a example from set 648-1. On the right the original
one from the 70's and on the left a newer one.

It's true though we have similar looking undersides like this with sharp
edges around the hole and more curved ones.

I have the suspision they cut smaller baseplates from bigger ones. at least I
have seen plenty of edges that look cut. But this might be a custom job from
the people we bought it from.

Christian

novabrick-team

They are cut of a larger in factory, cut to the size that was needed.
That is why older baseplates may have the whiter looking stressmarks.
I always mention this in my description so buyers know what they buy.
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Ok, I have submitted a request for this part 3865.

In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, primadeluxe writes:
  (do you call them tubes?)

I would say underside indentions.

  is it worth to add a note for these baseplates

I would say it wouldn't hurt anything.

  as they come in different variations?

I would agree.
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In Catalog, primadeluxe writes:
  (do you call them tubes?)

I would say underside indentions.

  is it worth to add a note for these baseplates

I would say it wouldn't hurt anything.

  as they come in different variations?

I would agree.
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In Catalog, primadeluxe writes:
  All the baseplates from the 70's, which I have from original sets, have different
tubes (do you call them tubes?) compared with newer baseplates. I do not know
when this chance took place, but is it worth to add a note for these baseplates
as they come in different variations?

It would be a lot of work making pictures aspecially with all the baseplates
with white dots and I certainly do not have them all.

On the attached picture is a example from set 648-1. On the right the original
one from the 70's and on the left a newer one.

It's true though we have similar looking undersides like this with sharp
edges around the hole and more curved ones.

I have the suspision they cut smaller baseplates from bigger ones. at least I
have seen plenty of edges that look cut. But this might be a custom job from
the people we bought it from.

Christian

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All the baseplates from the 70's, which I have from original sets, have different
tubes (do you call them tubes?) compared with newer baseplates. I do not know
when this chance took place, but is it worth to add a note for these baseplates
as they come in different variations?

It would be a lot of work making pictures aspecially with all the baseplates
with white dots and I certainly do not have them all.

On the attached picture is a example from set 648-1. On the right the original
one from the 70's and on the left a newer one.
 
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In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
  So where do we go from here? Could the note for the two parts be updated?

You're welcome to submit a request stating exactly what needs to be changed.

I can't do this. IMHO, a decision about the future road of these two parts
(and any new parts needed to be made) must be made by admin, and I expect them
to make the necessary changes to the catalog. I have seen no traces of any final
decision made yet.

/Jan

I'll make a request to have the notes changed, but splitting/new parts and
inventories I leave to others.

/Jan
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
  So where do we go from here? Could the note for the two parts be updated?

You're welcome to submit a request stating exactly what needs to be changed.

I can't do this. IMHO, a decision about the future road of these two parts
(and any new parts needed to be made) must be made by admin, and I expect them
to make the necessary changes to the catalog. I have seen no traces of any final
decision made yet.

/Jan
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In Catalog, normann1974 writes:
  So where do we go from here? Could the note for the two parts be updated?

You're welcome to submit a request stating exactly what needs to be changed.

  They (and some of the inventories containing the 6mm part) are clearly wrong now.

Here I would suggest inventory change requests where appropriate.
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In Catalog, SurplusParts writes:
  This is the dashboard sticker from

 
Set No: 8169  Name: Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4
* 
8169-1 (Inv) Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4
741 Parts, 2009
Sets: Racers: Lamborghini

It is placed over 2 black arches 6005.

Can this placed in the catalogue as a stickered counterpart?

Asking as it is over 2 parts and not one it may not be.

Thanks
Douglas

Yes, as I learned not too long ago and opened up the floodgates with additions
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In Catalog, DianeGronas writes:
  Tan Knit Sweater Minifig Torso (76382)

As your first post was about PartDesigner, I’m guessing you’re asking for this
part to be added to Studio.
If that’s the case, the dedicated forum for Studio is https://forum.bricklink.com/
(red Studio icon on every page, “Builder Forum”).

But as you didn’t answer any of the other answers, I’m also guessing you won’t
read this answer either….
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In Catalog, DianeGronas writes:
  Sea Captain's White Hat (13553 / 31841)

As your first post was about PartDesigner, I’m guessing you’re asking for this
part to be added to Studio.
If that’s the case, the dedicated forum for Studio is https://forum.bricklink.com/
(red Studio icon on every page, “Builder Forum”).

But as you didn’t answer any of the other answers, I’m also guessing you won’t
read this answer either….
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In Catalog, DianeGronas writes:
  Sea Captain Torso (973 / 88585)

As your first post was about PartDesigner, I’m guessing you’re asking for this
part to be added to Studio.
If that’s the case, the dedicated forum for Studio is https://forum.bricklink.com/
(red Studio icon on every page, “Builder Forum”).

But as you didn’t answer any of the other answers, I’m also guessing you won’t
read this answer either….
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In Catalog, DianeGronas writes:
  Captain Jones Minifig Torso (76382)

As your first post was about PartDesigner, I’m guessing you’re asking for this
part to be added to Studio.
If that’s the case, the dedicated forum for Studio is https://forum.bricklink.com/
(red Studio icon on every page, “Builder Forum”).

But as you didn’t answer any of the other answers, I’m also guessing you won’t
read this answer either….
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  Obi-Wan Kenobi Large Figure Head (21939)

As your first post was about PartDesigner, I’m guessing you’re asking for this
part to be added to Studio.
If that’s the case, the dedicated forum for Studio is https://forum.bricklink.com/
(red Studio icon on every page, “Builder Forum”).

But as you didn’t answer any of the other answers, I’m also guessing you won’t
read this answer either….
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In Catalog, DianeGronas writes:

What is the meaning of all your forumposts?
They are no questions, at least not as I read them.
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  Tan Knit Sweater Minifig Torso (76382)

Why are you starting loads of threads with no questions in?
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What is your question?
 
Part No: 21325pb01  Name: Large Figure Head Modified SW Obi-Wan Kenobi Pattern
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21325pb01 Large Figure Head Modified SW Obi-Wan Kenobi Pattern
Parts: Large Figure Part

In Catalog Requests, DianeGronas writes:
  Obi-Wan Kenobi Large Figure Head (21939)
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  Obi-Wan Kenobi Large Figure Head (21939)

 
Part No: 21325pb01  Name: Large Figure Head Modified SW Obi-Wan Kenobi Pattern
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21325pb01 Large Figure Head Modified SW Obi-Wan Kenobi Pattern
Parts: Large Figure Part
?

Christian
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In Catalog, CTschumy writes:
  Hi

I have a head which I cannot locate on Bricklink. I can find it in the blocked
open stud version, but cannot locate the head with the hollow stud version.

The head has the lego stamp inside the top stud

Item number 3626bpb0435 is for the blocked open stud version

Help please

Thanks

Chris

It's just the case that it's not been added yet.

Feel free to submit it to the catalog as 3626cpb0435 and supply a picture if
you can.


If you need help with it please see this forum message:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1138517

or this one

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1085264

or watch this tutorial
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1191009

If you have any other questions let us know.

Many thanks,
Paul.
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  Honestly, I'm tempted to merge them. There is little reason for this part
to be split over an excessively confusing difference that requires no less than
three comparison images.

And, of course, a fairly snarky additional note that is clearly the result of
frustration over sellers just not getting the difference (and blaming them for
the problem that BrickLink created).

I strongly object to this resolution. As SylvainLS points out, they are functionally
different, and IMHO they are not interchangable, and both as a buyer or seller,
I would care about the variant (as I do today).

I think a better resolution would be to rename part 88072 to 4623b (and keep
part number 88072 secondary), then make 4623 "undetermined arm length" and create
a new part 4623a for the 6 mm variant.

/Jan

Well this totally went in a direction I wasn't expecting! Interesting discovery,
Jan!

So where do we go from here? Could the note for the two parts be updated? They
(and some of the inventories containing the 6mm part) are clearly wrong now.

/Jan
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In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  
It would be absolutely crazy to remove an entire theme such as Galaxy Squad from
both sets and minifigures, to rebrand the humans into a minifigure section called
Classic Space and the aliens into a completely different section called Aliens,
chuck all the sets in an unsorted Space section, but keep the name of the theme
alive in part names such as "Galaxy Squad Armor".

Oh, wait a minute ... that is exactly what BL is planning with XP.

More than ever minifigures need the correct numbering as that is the only link
to the theme within XP.

I think it goes without saying that I would never want to see Galaxy Squad humans
separated from Galaxy Sqaud Aliens so whatever happens they’d need to be grouped
together for sure be that under ‘gs’ or ‘sp’

Where it gets more difficult is with things like skeletons but as a general rule
I’d say plain skeletons remain under ’gen’ but if they are associated with a
pirate theme and wear pirate hat then they should probably be a ‘pi’ code whereas
if they came from a castle theme wearing armour or knight helmet then they should
be a ‘cas’ code but obviously a plain skeleton from a castle set should still
be ‘gen’ but what about this one: cas328 with the red eyes I’m not so sure ’cas’
or ‘gen’?

These codes seem to be placed correctly cas329, cas378

whereas many such as gen009, gen011, gen021, gen037, gen135, gen036 perhaps need
moving?

Then you have oddities like gen027 and gen147 that look almost the same but would
seem strange to separate under ‘hol’ and ‘twn’ so ‘gen’ would seem like the only
suitable option for these?

All in all its a bit of a nightmre to try and organise for the best
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In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
  No thoughts on this from anyone? It really must be just me then?

Item numbers for figures are a mess. We're working on it.

See this forum post for a poetically eloquent description of the mess:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1187433

Yes I can see it’s definitely a challenge especially since many minifg codes
have become well established with people even though they may not make too much
sense structure wise!

I guess the reason I asked was mainly because I could see some Ideas codes had
been changed to Ghostbuster codes whilst Dimensions Ghostbuster minifgs and the
Ideas Pirate minifigs hadn’t been altered in the same way?

Either way I guess there would need to be a rule of thumb on want constitutes
a minifig range being given its own theme code abbreviation. For instance do
you start giving the ghostbuster minifigs the ‘gb’ code when there are at least
8 minifigs in the range for example?

On the other hand if there are only 2 or 3 ghostbusters minifigs do they perhaps
always just start off with a miscellaneous code which might also include everything
from Santa to ET?

Do we also start to catalog things not necessarily by Legos themes but by what
the community itself classes as the best match for Space, Castle, Pirates etc...
with anything that does'nt fit among the established themes classed as miscellaneous?

For instance do you envisage that stuff like Galaxy Squad might come under space
‘sp’? instead of ‘gs’?

As a huge minifigure collector who categorizes their entire collection by the
BrickLink item numbers, I would not be in favor of any renumbering of huge swaths
of the BrickLink catalog as it stands. Small sections, okay, but not lumping
Galaxy Squad into the Classic Space figures, etc. I think having minifigures
classified according to the themes they occur in is how they should be classified
for now, and the catalog manages to currently do that relatively okay for the
majority of the minifigures.

But, once again, this gets back to the database design. We are stuck in a system
that only categorizes things in a flat manner, so moving large amounts of items
around, renumbering large amounts of items, etc., would cause a nightmare for
anyone and everyone involved.

Having a system that allowed tags on items would allow minifigures to be categorized
in more than one way and then all figures could just be given sequential codes
starting from figure000001 all the way up to however many figures there
are and then into the future. So figure009866 might be classified as "Space",
"Galaxy Squad", and "Alien", whereas figure013022 might be classified
as "Licensed", "Space", "Star Wars", and "Alien". No more thinking about how
to structure item numbers, no more worrying about what *specific* category a
minifigure should go in, no more having users even think about numbering since
the system could just assign the next figure number automatically! This is really
where the whole system needs to get to.

Cheers,
Randy

To be honest I don’t have too much concern about stuff like Galaxy Squad remaining
‘gs’ and was more interested in other people’s opinions of where we think it
might go though I would just say that if the system remained as it is we could
potentially run out of abbreviations if we continue to use them on every sub-theme
like this but I guess I have bigger issue with the minifigs from both the ‘dim’
and ‘idea’ categories taking precedence over existing categories which are better
suited for them because to me it’s a bit like categorising a Star Wars minifig
from an advent calendar as ‘adv’ or from polybag as ‘pol’ when it should still
be ‘sw’?

On the same token if it goes the way your suggesting then I guess that would
blow everything out the water all together and whilst it could work the only
real issue I would have is with the length of the codes which would also take
away the ability to memorize them for instance without even looking I know that
sw0707 is Yoda and are we going to have more instances where we end up forgetting
which minifig code we came to pick once at the storage location?

As the current system shows a small abbreviation of letters + number combos allows
for codes to be shorter and more memorable
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  As a huge minifigure collector who categorizes their entire collection by the
BrickLink item numbers, I would not be in favor of any renumbering of huge swaths
of the BrickLink catalog as it stands. Small sections, okay, but not lumping
Galaxy Squad into the Classic Space figures, etc. I think having minifigures
classified according to the themes they occur in is how they should be classified
for now, and the catalog manages to currently do that relatively okay for the
majority of the minifigures.


It would be absolutely crazy to remove an entire theme such as Galaxy Squad from
both sets and minifigures, to rebrand the humans into a minifigure section called
Classic Space and the aliens into a completely different section called Aliens,
chuck all the sets in an unsorted Space section, but keep the name of the theme
alive in part names such as "Galaxy Squad Armor".

Oh, wait a minute ... that is exactly what BL is planning with XP.

More than ever minifigures need the correct numbering as that is the only link
to the theme within XP.
 
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Hi

I have a head which I cannot locate on Bricklink. I can find it in the blocked
open stud version, but cannot locate the head with the hollow stud version.

The head has the lego stamp inside the top stud

Item number 3626bpb0435 is for the blocked open stud version

Help please

Thanks

Chris
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Hey!

I am busy putting duplo into my inventory and ran into this little airplane.

It is not in a condition i want to sell it in, so i looked if it could be demolished
to smaller parts. In my idea it contains some wheels i cannot find in the catalog
and wheel pins number 2344. Can it be parted out?


Regards, Marielle
 
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Thanks very much.

I have never seen that section of the catalogue before. You learn something
new every day.

I will add to the catalogue shortly when i get time.

Cheers

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  This is the dashboard sticker from

 
Set No: 8169  Name: Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4
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8169-1 (Inv) Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4
741 Parts, 2009
Sets: Racers: Lamborghini

It is placed over 2 black arches 6005.

Can this placed in the catalogue as a stickered counterpart?

Asking as it is over 2 parts and not one it may not be.

Thanks
Douglas
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  Can this placed in the catalogue as a stickered counterpart?

Yes.
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In Catalog, SurplusParts writes:
  This is the dashboard sticker from

 
Set No: 8169  Name: Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4
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8169-1 (Inv) Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4
741 Parts, 2009
Sets: Racers: Lamborghini

It is placed over 2 black arches 6005.

Can this placed in the catalogue as a stickered counterpart?

Asking as it is over 2 parts and not one it may not be.

Thanks
Douglas

Category Sitcker Over Assembly. There are many parts already in that category.
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?catType=P&catID=582
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This is the dashboard sticker from

 
Set No: 8169  Name: Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4
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8169-1 (Inv) Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4
741 Parts, 2009
Sets: Racers: Lamborghini

It is placed over 2 black arches 6005.

Can this placed in the catalogue as a stickered counterpart?

Asking as it is over 2 parts and not one it may not be.

Thanks
Douglas
 
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In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
  No thoughts on this from anyone? It really must be just me then?

Item numbers for figures are a mess. We're working on it.

See this forum post for a poetically eloquent description of the mess:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1187433

Yes I can see it’s definitely a challenge especially since many minifg codes
have become well established with people even though they may not make too much
sense structure wise!

I guess the reason I asked was mainly because I could see some Ideas codes had
been changed to Ghostbuster codes whilst Dimensions Ghostbuster minifgs and the
Ideas Pirate minifigs hadn’t been altered in the same way?

Either way I guess there would need to be a rule of thumb on want constitutes
a minifig range being given its own theme code abbreviation. For instance do
you start giving the ghostbuster minifigs the ‘gb’ code when there are at least
8 minifigs in the range for example?

On the other hand if there are only 2 or 3 ghostbusters minifigs do they perhaps
always just start off with a miscellaneous code which might also include everything
from Santa to ET?

Do we also start to catalog things not necessarily by Legos themes but by what
the community itself classes as the best match for Space, Castle, Pirates etc...
with anything that does'nt fit among the established themes classed as miscellaneous?

For instance do you envisage that stuff like Galaxy Squad might come under space
‘sp’? instead of ‘gs’?

As a huge minifigure collector who categorizes their entire collection by the
BrickLink item numbers, I would not be in favor of any renumbering of huge swaths
of the BrickLink catalog as it stands. Small sections, okay, but not lumping
Galaxy Squad into the Classic Space figures, etc. I think having minifigures
classified according to the themes they occur in is how they should be classified
for now, and the catalog manages to currently do that relatively okay for the
majority of the minifigures.

But, once again, this gets back to the database design. We are stuck in a system
that only categorizes things in a flat manner, so moving large amounts of items
around, renumbering large amounts of items, etc., would cause a nightmare for
anyone and everyone involved.

Having a system that allowed tags on items would allow minifigures to be categorized
in more than one way and then all figures could just be given sequential codes
starting from figure000001 all the way up to however many figures there
are and then into the future. So figure009866 might be classified as "Space",
"Galaxy Squad", and "Alien", whereas figure013022 might be classified
as "Licensed", "Space", "Star Wars", and "Alien". No more thinking about how
to structure item numbers, no more worrying about what *specific* category a
minifigure should go in, no more having users even think about numbering since
the system could just assign the next figure number automatically! This is really
where the whole system needs to get to.

Cheers,
Randy
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
  No thoughts on this from anyone? It really must be just me then?

Item numbers for figures are a mess. We're working on it.

See this forum post for a poetically eloquent description of the mess:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1187433

Yes I can see it’s definitely a challenge especially since many minifg codes
have become well established with people even though they may not make too much
sense structure wise!

I guess the reason I asked was mainly because I could see some Ideas codes had
been changed to Ghostbuster codes whilst Dimensions Ghostbuster minifgs and the
Ideas Pirate minifigs hadn’t been altered in the same way?

Either way I guess there would need to be a rule of thumb on want constitutes
a minifig range being given its own theme code abbreviation. For instance do
you start giving the ghostbuster minifigs the ‘gb’ code when there are at least
8 minifigs in the range for example?

On the other hand if there are only 2 or 3 ghostbusters minifigs do they perhaps
always just start off with a miscellaneous code which might also include everything
from Santa to ET?

Do we also start to catalog things not necessarily by Legos themes but by what
the community itself classes as the best match for Space, Castle, Pirates etc...
with anything that does'nt fit among the established themes classed as miscellaneous?

For instance do you envisage that stuff like Galaxy Squad might come under space
‘sp’? instead of ‘gs’?
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In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
  No thoughts on this from anyone? It really must be just me then?

Item numbers for figures are a mess. We're working on it.

See this forum post for a poetically eloquent description of the mess:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1187433
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In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
  In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
  I don't know if its just me but with regards to the ideas and dimensions
themes would'nt it make sense to only give minifigures the 'idea'
and 'dim' codes if they don't already belong to an established and
existing theme? For instance all the Ideas Pirates of Barracuda Bay minifigs
should perhaps be given 'pi' numbers instead of 'idea' numbers?
Likewise dimensions Gimli, Gandalf, Legolas should maybe have a 'lor'
number instead of 'dim' same goes for Slimer and Stay Puft Marshmallow
man which also have 'dim' numbers instead of 'gb'

With the original ghostbusters minifigs from Ecto-1 it looks like they were already
changed from 'idea' numbers to 'gb' numbers with an i on the
end which might be a good way to keep some continuity on the site?

No thoughts on this from anyone? It really must be just me then?

I guess no one sort by ID….

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