BrickLink Discussion Forum

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

In Suggestions, randyf writes:

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

In Suggestions, randyf writes:

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

In Suggestions, randyf writes:

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

curious how many of those mods are still active moderating?

All of them are.

are they? when a couple scam reported posts are still up most of the day after
being reported it just tells me there is not a good spread of mods to cover all
time zones.

They are volunteers. They aren't required to be here around the clock.

yeah but it can be worrisome since if someone posts something that is not to
be posted of an illegal nature and there is no one around to remove it, it can
cause problems for this site, like it did for Majhost.

So you want someone standing by in the forums 24/7/365 to make sure that a couple
of spam posts do not last on the forums for more than a little while? I am sorry,
but I don't need BrickLink to be a nanny for everything. People are supposed
to be adults here, and adults can take the time to figure out if something is
legitimate or not. I don't need BrickLink making sure that a "hall monitor"
is staffed all hours of the day, and I don't want the fees that sellers pay
to increase due to the need for said "hall monitor". Not to mention that spam
posts are so rare around here.

Spam posts are not my concern you should learn what happened to Majhost and almost
happened to Brickshelf because they lacked proper moderation. and then you will
understand my concern since I have seen some issues like that on other sites
happen of late.

in fact people don't remember but we also had issues almost like that here
too, but had a more active moderation team at that time.

Author:

Rick_S.

Posted:

Jun 23, 2020 22:24

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Re: Report post button

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In Suggestions, randyf writes:

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

In Suggestions, randyf writes:

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

In Suggestions, randyf writes:

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

curious how many of those mods are still active moderating?

All of them are.

are they? when a couple scam reported posts are still up most of the day after
being reported it just tells me there is not a good spread of mods to cover all
time zones.

They are volunteers. They aren't required to be here around the clock.

Author:

Rick_S.

Posted:

Jun 23, 2020 21:46

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Re: Report post button

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In Suggestions, randyf writes:

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

In Suggestions, randyf writes:

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

curious how many of those mods are still active moderating?

All of them are.

are they? when a couple scam reported posts are still up most of the day after
being reported it just tells me there is not a good spread of mods to cover all
time zones.

They are volunteers. They aren't required to be here around the clock.

Author:

Rick_S.

Posted:

Jun 23, 2020 21:43

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Re: Changing rules of feedback

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In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

the incident is over a seller not shipping a full order, which the buyer left
negative feedback then the seller left retaliatory feedback and the only option
the buyer had was to file an NSS.

I get that the buyer wants to have the neg removed, and I am not condoning seller's
behaviour, but posting an NSS just to get rid of a FB is not the way to go. It
is a mis-use of the system. According to the rules, seller did refund the missing
parts, so an NSS is simply not applicable.

Niek.

I agree an NSS was excessive, but the way the rules are written for removing
negative feedback, that was the buyers only option, since he cannot have retaliatory
feedback removed.

Author:

Rick_S.

Posted:

Jun 23, 2020 20:38

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Re: Changing rules of feedback

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In Suggestions, Heartbricker writes:

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

In Suggestions, Heartbricker writes:

I don’t think it’s fair but I also don’t think that merits an intervention or
an investment of resources.
The retaliatory feedback reflects worse on the person who left it.
As a seller, this feedback wouldn’t cause me to block the buyer- specially considering
the seller who left it has a bad track record.
This has no impact on the buyer, it impacts the seller negatively as it should-
seems like it’s working okay.
It’s not perfect but it doesn’t merit investment of resources.

Actually you would be wrong, how do people not know the buyer was very difficult
or made outrageous demands or such? you don't all you know is the buyer got
a negative feedback which reflects on him in the negative and you are saying
he has to suffer with it. wouldn't be surprised if this keeps up this site
may lose many potential buyers because they are not allowed to change a grave
injustice to their reputation and you are ok with that.

Your insinuation of me not caring about buyers experience is a good point for
me to tag out and not waste any further time debating you.
good luck.

But it is true, you say he should just keep the negative feedback, it is like
you do not care and think nothing should be done about and that I disagree with.

Author:

Rick_S.

Posted:

Jun 23, 2020 20:09

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Re: Changing rules of feedback

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In Suggestions, Heartbricker writes:

Author:

Rick_S.

Posted:

Jun 23, 2020 19:28

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Re: Changing rules of feedback

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In Suggestions, Heartbricker writes:

I see, I think that there's blame on both sides here.
This should have been resolved better by the seller as the customer was obviously
not satisfied and was justified to leave a non positive.
The seller fell short and obviously didn't provide a satisfactory solution
to the buyer- and escalated the matter by leaving non positive.
The buyer abused the NSS system as a result of the seller's behavior.
This could be looked at in a couple ways- the feedback system wasn't abused
here- the NSS system was abused.
Our store puts more emphasis on customer experience so we would have sent the
piece or would have made a plea for the buyer to see what would be a reasonable
solution.
We also notify our buyers before shipping an order that is short to give them
an option to cancel.
I do think it is reasonable to spend $4 to repair a 7 cent mistake- but i believe
in taking full responsibility for my mistakes.
Two adults should be able to resolve their disputes- no need for a nanny.
the NSS was an abuse of BL TOS and requires interjection by admin- the feedback
system doesn't.

and yet the buyer is stuck with a negative he does not deserve and you do not
think that needs to be fixed?

Author:

Rick_S.

Posted:

Jun 23, 2020 18:39

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Re: Changing rules of feedback

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In Suggestions, Heartbricker writes:

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

In Suggestions, Heartbricker writes:

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

As it goes a rule not allowing retaliatory feedback should also be added for
removal of said feedback since as the rules stand retaliatory feedback is allowed:

Feedback you Received:
The following are currently the only valid reasons for which you can request
feedback you received to be removed:
Feedback you received contains vulgar language.
Feedback you received contains personally identifying information including your
name, address, e-mail address or telephone number.
You are the seller and the buyer has not paid. Non-Paying Buyer Alert has been
completed or the buyer has accepted the NPB penalty via NPX.
You are the buyer and the seller has not responded or shipped. Non-Responding
Seller Alert or Non-Shipping Seller Alert has been completed.
Feedback you received was posted by a duplicate account of a user who had their
membership terminated.
Feedback you received was posted by a duplicate account of a user who was on
your Stop List before the order was placed.
If you're requesting feedback to be removed for the last 2 reasons above,
you should contact the Help Desk before you submit the request and let us know
the original username of the duplicate account.
Requests can be submitted until the order is purged from the system - up to 6
months from the order date. Requests are submitted to the BrickLink Administration
for approval. If the feedback is removed, it cannot be reposted. Each request
has a status:

I understand the frustration of getting a retaliatory feedback BUT i don't
support interjecting the BL admins into disputes over feedback.
The BL team has enough to do without this added task which is not a revenue producing
nor a productive use of their time.
Having the admin being a referee between two disputing users may result in one
of those users leaving the site which will not be beneficial for the greater
good.
Retaliatory feedback is easy to spot and usually hurts the image of the user
who left it more than the user who received it.

oh wouldn't be surprised if the seller made it onto a lot of peoples do not
buy from lists since his actions are not those of a good seller. but the whole
reason behind admins and moderators is to moderate between 2 parties, instead
the buyer was forced to file an NSS so as to remove said feedback, do you think
that is better?

Not sure which seller you are speaking of.
Buyers filing NSS to remove feedback is a violation against bricklinks' TOS
therefore does require interjection- retaliatory feedback isn't.
The case you described is very rare.

the incident is over a seller not shipping a full order, which the buyer left
negative feedback then the seller left retaliatory feedback and the only option
the buyer had was to file an NSS.

read this entire forum chain to get at why I posted this:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1205906

Author:

Rick_S.

Posted:

Jun 23, 2020 18:23

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Re: Changing rules of feedback

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In Suggestions, Heartbricker writes:

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

Author:

Rick_S.

Posted:

Jun 23, 2020 18:11

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Re: Changing rules of feedback

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In Suggestions, Tracyd writes:

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

In Suggestions, Tracyd writes:

The definition of retaliatory is in the eye of the beholder. If I think I did
everything right and did not deserve the feedback left for me then it is not
deserved. But the other party thinks they are right and it should stand. This
would make Bricklink the final judge and jury of feedback. I look at seller's
feedback and the buyer's feedback if I am evaluating a seller. Some buyers
are unhappy at every little thing. Some sellers overreact to even the smallest
criticism.

yes that is why it should be an option to let the admin decide, take this recent
case into question, this buyer received negative feedback because of negative
feedback he left the seller who failed to deliver items the buyer bought and
refused to deal with the situation, the seller deserved the negative feedback,
the buyer did not and it is obviously retaliatory in nature:

https://www.bricklink.com/feedback.asp?u=sludgemonster

The retaliation came for the NSS charge. They shipped, missing item was refunded,
even PayPal wouldn't side with the buyer on this.

actually the NSS came after the negative feedback since that is evidently the
only way to remove said feedback by the rules.

Author:

Rick_S.

Posted:

Jun 23, 2020 18:10

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Re: Report post button

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In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

In Suggestions, randyf writes:

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

curious how many of those mods are still active moderating?

All of them are.

are they? when a couple scam reported posts are still up most of the day after
being reported it just tells me there is not a good spread of mods to cover all
time zones.

Thank you for reporting.
There were two scam posts reported around 5 at night, in my timezone.
Both were canceled immediately after I woke up. 😉

figured it was you that removed them, in fact feels like you are the only moderator
working.

Author:

Rick_S.

Posted:

Jun 23, 2020 18:03

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Re: Changing rules of feedback

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In Suggestions, Tracyd writes:

Author:

Rick_S.

Posted:

Jun 23, 2020 17:45

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Changing rules of feedback

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Open

Vote:

[Yes|No]

Author:

Rick_S.

Posted:

Jun 23, 2020 14:23

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Re: Report post button

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In Suggestions, popsicle writes:

Should be all. But to what degree each are, dunno. Here are the Hall of Fame
Discussion Mods, in any case

think the hall of fame refers to past mods.

Author:

Rick_S.

Posted:

Jun 23, 2020 14:22

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Re: Report post button

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In Suggestions, randyf writes:

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

curious how many of those mods are still active moderating?

All of them are.

are they? when a couple scam reported posts are still up most of the day after
being reported it just tells me there is not a good spread of mods to cover all
time zones.

Author:

Rick_S.

Posted:

Jun 23, 2020 14:12

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Re: Report post button

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In Suggestions, popsicle writes:

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

In Suggestions, popsicle writes:

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

In Suggestions, popsicle writes:

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

I feel we should get a report post button added since trying to find that page
is very not user friendly.

Can you imagine the level of misuse such a convenient tab would allow for?

The Discussions Mods might have to give up their day jobs, considering the amount
of time it would take in filtering through the invalid to find the valid claims.

On the other hand, I could be wrong and if all the Discussions Mods were to call
for it, or at least back the suggestion, I’d say why not.

-Cory

you forgot to mention i've seen some serious spam posts like buying fake
ID's and such and I almost gave up reporting them because finding the report
post function is not user friendly. when you have to go here:

https://www.bricklink.com/helpMain.asp

Then go here:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?topicID=18

then go here:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1107

just to get to here:

https://www.bricklink.com/problemMessage.asp

My suggestion is to reduce that greatly. to go straight to the last part.

Yeah, I understood with this morning spam why you posted the suggestion. I connected
those dots before I posted my reply.

So my thoughts stand: have the mods endorse the suggestion. It's their wheelhouse.

other then Brickwilbo being on the fence (agrees it is complicated but not sure
how to fix it) have not heard from any other mods, in fact not sure who the other
mods are if any others?

https://www.bricklink.com/memberAdmins.asp?utm_content=subnav

I’d add Russell, as well

curious how many of those mods are still active moderating? cause noticed a couple
of posts reported were still around for a long while.

Author:

Rick_S.

Posted:

Jun 23, 2020 14:02

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Re: Report post button

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In Suggestions, popsicle writes:

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

In Suggestions, popsicle writes:

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

I feel we should get a report post button added since trying to find that page
is very not user friendly.

other then Brickwilbo being on the fence (agrees it is complicated but not sure
how to fix it) have not heard from any other mods, in fact not sure who the other
mods are if any others?

Author:

Rick_S.

Posted:

Jun 23, 2020 13:46

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Re: Report post button

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In Suggestions, popsicle writes:

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

I feel we should get a report post button added since trying to find that page
is very not user friendly.

Author:

Rick_S.

Posted:

Jun 23, 2020 13:44

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Re: Report post button

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In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

I feel we should get a report post button added since trying to find that page
is very not user friendly.

This was suggested before.

The Problem Center is below the page. Click forum, then enter the message number.

yeah but a bit redundant when you have to go thru 3 clicks just to get tot the
report post section.

sorry make that 4 clicks before you get to the page where you give the post number
and reason.

Yes, it's a lot of clicks and copy/paste. Not easy on a mobile phone.

while a simple report post button on the post itself would make it so much easier

It would probably also lead to accidentally clicked reports.
I prefer a more visible button with two-step verification to report a message.

well when you have to click the button on the post then fill in the info and
click report that would be like a 2-step verification. my suggestion would be
to have the button on the post go right to the report function, avoiding all
those extra steps and such to get there. in other words the button on the post
would take you here https://www.bricklink.com/problemMessage.asp

Author:

Rick_S.

Posted:

Jun 23, 2020 13:23

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Re: Report post button

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In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

I feel we should get a report post button added since trying to find that page
is very not user friendly.

This was suggested before.

The Problem Center is below the page. Click forum, then enter the message number.

yeah but a bit redundant when you have to go thru 3 clicks just to get tot the
report post section.

sorry make that 4 clicks before you get to the page where you give the post number
and reason.

Yes, it's a lot of clicks and copy/paste. Not easy on a mobile phone.

while a simple report post button on the post itself would make it so much easier

Author:

Rick_S.

Posted:

Jun 23, 2020 02:11

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Re: Report post button

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In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

I feel we should get a report post button added since trying to find that page
is very not user friendly.

This was suggested before.

The Problem Center is below the page. Click forum, then enter the message number.

yeah but a bit redundant when you have to go thru 3 clicks just to get tot the
report post section.

sorry make that 4 clicks before you get to the page where you give the post number
and reason.

Author:

Rick_S.

Posted:

Jun 23, 2020 02:09

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Re: Report post button

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In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:

In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:

I feel we should get a report post button added since trying to find that page
is very not user friendly.

This was suggested before.

The Problem Center is below the page. Click forum, then enter the message number.

yeah but a bit redundant when you have to go thru 3 clicks just to get tot the
report post section.

Author:

Rick_S.

Posted:

Jun 22, 2020 23:44

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Report post button

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Vote:

[Yes|No]

I feel we should get a report post button added since trying to find that page
is very not user friendly.

Author:

Rick_S.

Posted:

Jun 17, 2020 13:43

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Re: Pickable Models and In-Store Builds

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Catalog

In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

In Catalog, bje writes:

Can I resubmit my pickable models from 2012 or are you just going to change
the instruction entries to sets?

It doesn't appear to cause any problems to change instructions to
sets, so for existing instructions this is probably what will occur - except
possibly in cases where there are large numbers of items for sale.

Here's one changed:

TORQUE-1 (Inv) Toys "R" Us Exclusive Build - Rod "Torque" Redline
30 Parts, 2011
Sets: Building Event: Cars: Cars 2

I tried listing those instructions when I listed the sticker sheet for the set
and it got denied, guess rules changed?

Author:

Rick_S.

Posted:

Jan 28, 2020 16:53

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Re: Attack of the Blusers

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