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 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: May 29, 2020 01:27
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Minifig cty0140
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In Inventories Requests, bje writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Minifig No: cty0140  Name: Blue Jacket with Pockets and Orange Stripes, Blue Legs, Dark Orange Short Tousled Hair, Brown Eyebrows, Glasses
* 
cty0140 (Inv) Blue Jacket with Pockets and Orange Stripes, Blue Legs, Dark Orange Short Tousled Hair, Brown Eyebrows, Glasses
Minifigures: Town: City

* Delete 1 Part 3626bpb0122 Yellow Minifigure, Head Glasses Rectangular, Brown Thin Eyebrows, Smile Pattern - Blocked Open Stud
* Add 1 Part 3626bpb0122b Yellow Minifigure, Head Glasses Rectangular, Red Thin Eyebrows, Smile Pattern - Blocked Open Stud

Comments from Submitter:
See minifigure image, also from my copy of the same set

These requests will not be accepted.

This minifigure head has now been found with four different colors of eyebrows:
brown, reddish brown, dark red, and red. The catalog does not distinguish the
four different colors at this time, and we are not planning on doing it in the
near future due to the large amount of work for little reward.

This recent thread is worth looking over:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1189272

Since the minifigure was inventoried with a head with "brown" eyebrows and the
original image was replaced many years later, we honestly don't know how
many different eyebrow colors were used in this set. Also, we cannot just change
the minifigure inventory as many sellers have this item for sale and some would
likely have it with a different head.

If you want to at least get your head recognized for now, you will need to create
a new minifigure (cty0140a) with the head you have that would get added as an
alternate to the minifigure currently in the set. At least in this way, we will
know that one with "red" eyebrows was found at some point if we decide to figure
this mess out some day.

Cheers,
Randy
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: May 29, 2020 00:47
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 41904-1
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In Inventories Requests, FCBricks writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 41904  Name: Picture Holders
* 
41904-1 (Inv) Picture Holders
423 Parts, 2020
Sets: Dots

* Add 1 Gear 901956 Trans-Clear Sorting Tray Lid, Dots 7 Compartment (Fits 901957)
* Add 1 Gear 901957 Medium Azure Sorting Tray Dots, 7 Compartment, Bottom (Fits 901956)

These requests will not be accepted since these gear items are considered the
original box for this set and are therefore not added to the inventory. They
are basically the same as the plastic tub for a set such as
 
Set No: 5537  Name: Blue Tub
* 
5537-1 (Inv) Blue Tub
683 Parts, 2008
Sets: Creator: Basic Set

Cheers,
Randy
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: May 29, 2020 00:40
 Subject: Inventory Change Request for Set 80010-1
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 80010  Name: Demon Bull King
* 
80010-1 (Inv) Demon Bull King
1037 Parts, 3 Minifigures, 2020
Sets: Monkie Kid

* Add 1 Part 18041 Pearl Gold Minifigure, Weapon Harpoon, Smooth Shaft (Extra)

Comments from Submitter:
From sealed set contents.
 Author: electricbaer View Messages Posted By electricbaer
 Posted: May 28, 2020 22:43
 Subject: Inventory Change Request for Set 8182-1
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 8182  Name: Monster Crushers
* 
8182-1 (Inv) Monster Crushers
388 Parts, 2009
Sets: Racers: Tiny Turbos

* Add 1 Part 3069bpb787R White Tile 1 x 2 with Groove with Red Flames on White Background Pattern Model Right Side (Sticker) - Set 8182 (Counterpart)
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: May 28, 2020 21:12
 Subject: Re: Even More Variants Discovered
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I think every 1xN brick and plate has a version with solid pins underneath and
a version with hollow pins underneath. You have a lot of work ahead of you.

In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  I just added comparison photos and additional notes for the following part variants
I've recently discovered. All of these variants were undocumented on BrickLink
until today:

  
 
Part No: 3831  Name: Hinge Brick 1 x 4 Swivel Base
* 
3831 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 Swivel Base
Parts: Hinge
 
Part No: 3830  Name: Hinge Brick 1 x 4 Swivel Top
* 
3830 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 Swivel Top
Parts: Hinge
 
Part No: 3640  Name: Hinge Plate 2 x 4 with Articulated Joint - Female
* 
3640 Hinge Plate 2 x 4 with Articulated Joint - Female
Parts: Hinge
 
Part No: 64450  Name: Windscreen 6 x 4 x 3 1/3 Roll Cage
* 
64450 Windscreen 6 x 4 x 3 1/3 Roll Cage
Parts: Windscreen
 
Part No: 6020  Name: Bar 7 x 3 with 2 Clips (Ladder)
* 
6020 Bar 7 x 3 with 2 Clips (Ladder)
Parts: Bar
 
Part No: 2540  Name: Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Bar Handle on Side - Free Ends
* 
2540 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Bar Handle on Side - Free Ends
Parts: Plate, Modified
 
Part No: 30076  Name: Brick, Modified 4 x 10 with 4 Pins
* 
30076 Brick, Modified 4 x 10 with 4 Pins
Parts: Brick, Modified
 
Part No: 45301  Name: Wedge 16 x 4 Triple Curved with Reinforcements
* 
45301 Wedge 16 x 4 Triple Curved with Reinforcements
Parts: Wedge
 
Part No: 3703  Name: Technic, Brick 1 x 16 with Holes
* 
3703 Technic, Brick 1 x 16 with Holes
Parts: Technic, Brick
 
Part No: 3894  Name: Technic, Brick 1 x 6 with Holes
* 
3894 Technic, Brick 1 x 6 with Holes
Parts: Technic, Brick
 
Part No: 30526  Name: Brick, Modified 1 x 2 with Pins
* 
30526 Brick, Modified 1 x 2 with Pins
Parts: Brick, Modified
 
Part No: 6134  Name: Hinge Brick 2 x 2 Top Plate
* 
6134 Hinge Brick 2 x 2 Top Plate
Parts: Hinge
 
Part No: 3624  Name: Minifigure, Headgear Hat, Police
* 
3624 Minifigure, Headgear Hat, Police
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear
 
Part No: 32124  Name: Technic, Plate 1 x 5 with Smooth Ends, 4 Studs and Center Axle Hole
* 
32124 Technic, Plate 1 x 5 with Smooth Ends, 4 Studs and Center Axle Hole
Parts: Technic, Plate
 
Part No: 6239  Name: Tail Shuttle
* 
6239 Tail Shuttle
Parts: Tail
 
Part No: 6536  Name: Technic, Axle and Pin Connector Perpendicular
* 
6536 Technic, Axle and Pin Connector Perpendicular
Parts: Technic, Connector
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: May 28, 2020 21:01
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 180-1
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In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
  In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
  In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 180  Name: Train with 5 Wagons and Circle of Track
* 
180-1 (Inv) Train with 5 Wagons and Circle of Track
217 Parts, 1972
Sets: Train: 4.5V

* Delete 4 Part wheel2a Red Train Wheel Spoked for Motor
* Delete 4 Part trainrim Black Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels
* Delete 1 Part bb0054 Blue Electric, Train 4.5V Battery Car Roof
* Delete 1 Part x488c01 Red Train Battery Box Car with Switch and Red Wheels
* Add 1 Part 3443c04 Red Train Battery Box Car with Two Contact Holes, Red Switch Lever, Blue and Red Magnets, Red Wheels and Pins, and Blue Roof
* Change 4 Part Red wheel2ac01 Train Wheel Spoked for Motor with Black Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels (wheel2a / trainrim) {Counterpart to Regular}

Did these train wheels and train rims always come preassembled?

Do you have an image of this set to show how it originally came?

Thanks,
Randy

They always came assembled up to 1980-81. Even the 12v middle wheels
 
Part No: bb0012v2  Name: Train Wheel, Middle Wheel for 12V Motor
* 
bb0012v2 Train Wheel, Middle Wheel for 12V Motor
Parts: Wheel
came first assembled with train rim in 1980 but I don't know the exact timeline.
I have photos of a new 180 I don't know how much it helps. I don't have
photos of a new 181, but maybe I have in my older retired laptop. It would exactly
like this anyway.

Thanks,
Reza

Wow! The train came fully assembled?!? Talk about taking away the fun!

Thanks for the information and pictures.
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: May 28, 2020 19:24
 Subject: Re: Even More Variants Discovered
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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  Er, first

  Then, you’re holding it wrong

Thank you for this input. I have updated the additional note for that part to
remove the confusion.
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: May 28, 2020 19:20
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  […]
  
 
Part No: 6020  Name: Bar 7 x 3 with 2 Clips (Ladder)
* 
6020 Bar 7 x 3 with 2 Clips (Ladder)
Parts: Bar

“This part has variants with and without two holes on one side (on each side
of the penultimate rung from the end without clips).”

Er, first, isn’t the “penultimate rung from the end without clips” the “second
rung from the end with clips” too?
I believe “second” is more widely understood than “penultimate.”

Then, you’re holding it wrong: it’s the “second rung from the end without clips”
or the “penultimate rung from the end without clips.”
“From” = where I start counting, “penultimate” = the one before last, where I
stop counting.
So if I start counting “from the end without clips,” it’s the second rung that
has holes.
 Author: Jacob_9821 View Messages Posted By Jacob_9821
 Posted: May 28, 2020 19:01
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  I just added comparison photos and additional notes for the following part variants
I've recently discovered. All of these variants were undocumented on BrickLink
until today:

  
 
Part No: 3831  Name: Hinge Brick 1 x 4 Swivel Base
* 
3831 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 Swivel Base
Parts: Hinge
 
Part No: 3830  Name: Hinge Brick 1 x 4 Swivel Top
* 
3830 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 Swivel Top
Parts: Hinge
 
Part No: 3640  Name: Hinge Plate 2 x 4 with Articulated Joint - Female
* 
3640 Hinge Plate 2 x 4 with Articulated Joint - Female
Parts: Hinge
 
Part No: 64450  Name: Windscreen 6 x 4 x 3 1/3 Roll Cage
* 
64450 Windscreen 6 x 4 x 3 1/3 Roll Cage
Parts: Windscreen
 
Part No: 6020  Name: Bar 7 x 3 with 2 Clips (Ladder)
* 
6020 Bar 7 x 3 with 2 Clips (Ladder)
Parts: Bar
 
Part No: 2540  Name: Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Bar Handle on Side - Free Ends
* 
2540 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Bar Handle on Side - Free Ends
Parts: Plate, Modified
 
Part No: 30076  Name: Brick, Modified 4 x 10 with 4 Pins
* 
30076 Brick, Modified 4 x 10 with 4 Pins
Parts: Brick, Modified
 
Part No: 45301  Name: Wedge 16 x 4 Triple Curved with Reinforcements
* 
45301 Wedge 16 x 4 Triple Curved with Reinforcements
Parts: Wedge
 
Part No: 3703  Name: Technic, Brick 1 x 16 with Holes
* 
3703 Technic, Brick 1 x 16 with Holes
Parts: Technic, Brick
 
Part No: 3894  Name: Technic, Brick 1 x 6 with Holes
* 
3894 Technic, Brick 1 x 6 with Holes
Parts: Technic, Brick
 
Part No: 30526  Name: Brick, Modified 1 x 2 with Pins
* 
30526 Brick, Modified 1 x 2 with Pins
Parts: Brick, Modified
 
Part No: 6134  Name: Hinge Brick 2 x 2 Top Plate
* 
6134 Hinge Brick 2 x 2 Top Plate
Parts: Hinge
 
Part No: 3624  Name: Minifigure, Headgear Hat, Police
* 
3624 Minifigure, Headgear Hat, Police
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear
 
Part No: 32124  Name: Technic, Plate 1 x 5 with Smooth Ends, 4 Studs and Center Axle Hole
* 
32124 Technic, Plate 1 x 5 with Smooth Ends, 4 Studs and Center Axle Hole
Parts: Technic, Plate
 
Part No: 6239  Name: Tail Shuttle
* 
6239 Tail Shuttle
Parts: Tail
 
Part No: 6536  Name: Technic, Axle and Pin Connector Perpendicular
* 
6536 Technic, Axle and Pin Connector Perpendicular
Parts: Technic, Connector

Some of these I've noticed over the years but never thought to document them
or anything. Thanks for your work.
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: May 28, 2020 18:57
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I just added comparison photos and additional notes for the following part variants
I've recently discovered. All of these variants were undocumented on BrickLink
until today:

  
 
Part No: 3831  Name: Hinge Brick 1 x 4 Swivel Base
* 
3831 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 Swivel Base
Parts: Hinge
 
Part No: 3830  Name: Hinge Brick 1 x 4 Swivel Top
* 
3830 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 Swivel Top
Parts: Hinge
 
Part No: 3640  Name: Hinge Plate 2 x 4 with Articulated Joint - Female
* 
3640 Hinge Plate 2 x 4 with Articulated Joint - Female
Parts: Hinge
 
Part No: 64450  Name: Windscreen 6 x 4 x 3 1/3 Roll Cage
* 
64450 Windscreen 6 x 4 x 3 1/3 Roll Cage
Parts: Windscreen
 
Part No: 6020  Name: Bar 7 x 3 with 2 Clips (Ladder)
* 
6020 Bar 7 x 3 with 2 Clips (Ladder)
Parts: Bar
 
Part No: 2540  Name: Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Bar Handle on Side - Free Ends
* 
2540 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Bar Handle on Side - Free Ends
Parts: Plate, Modified
 
Part No: 30076  Name: Brick, Modified 4 x 10 with 4 Pins
* 
30076 Brick, Modified 4 x 10 with 4 Pins
Parts: Brick, Modified
 
Part No: 45301  Name: Wedge 16 x 4 Triple Curved with Reinforcements
* 
45301 Wedge 16 x 4 Triple Curved with Reinforcements
Parts: Wedge
 
Part No: 3703  Name: Technic, Brick 1 x 16 with Holes
* 
3703 Technic, Brick 1 x 16 with Holes
Parts: Technic, Brick
 
Part No: 3894  Name: Technic, Brick 1 x 6 with Holes
* 
3894 Technic, Brick 1 x 6 with Holes
Parts: Technic, Brick
 
Part No: 30526  Name: Brick, Modified 1 x 2 with Pins
* 
30526 Brick, Modified 1 x 2 with Pins
Parts: Brick, Modified
 
Part No: 6134  Name: Hinge Brick 2 x 2 Top Plate
* 
6134 Hinge Brick 2 x 2 Top Plate
Parts: Hinge
 
Part No: 3624  Name: Minifigure, Headgear Hat, Police
* 
3624 Minifigure, Headgear Hat, Police
Parts: Minifigure, Headgear
 
Part No: 32124  Name: Technic, Plate 1 x 5 with Smooth Ends, 4 Studs and Center Axle Hole
* 
32124 Technic, Plate 1 x 5 with Smooth Ends, 4 Studs and Center Axle Hole
Parts: Technic, Plate
 
Part No: 6239  Name: Tail Shuttle
* 
6239 Tail Shuttle
Parts: Tail
 
Part No: 6536  Name: Technic, Axle and Pin Connector Perpendicular
* 
6536 Technic, Axle and Pin Connector Perpendicular
Parts: Technic, Connector
 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: May 28, 2020 17:49
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 180-1
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In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
  In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 180  Name: Train with 5 Wagons and Circle of Track
* 
180-1 (Inv) Train with 5 Wagons and Circle of Track
217 Parts, 1972
Sets: Train: 4.5V

* Delete 4 Part wheel2a Red Train Wheel Spoked for Motor
* Delete 4 Part trainrim Black Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels
* Delete 1 Part bb0054 Blue Electric, Train 4.5V Battery Car Roof
* Delete 1 Part x488c01 Red Train Battery Box Car with Switch and Red Wheels
* Add 1 Part 3443c04 Red Train Battery Box Car with Two Contact Holes, Red Switch Lever, Blue and Red Magnets, Red Wheels and Pins, and Blue Roof
* Change 4 Part Red wheel2ac01 Train Wheel Spoked for Motor with Black Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels (wheel2a / trainrim) {Counterpart to Regular}

Did these train wheels and train rims always come preassembled?

Do you have an image of this set to show how it originally came?

Thanks,
Randy

They always came assembled up to 1980-81. Even the 12v middle wheels
 
Part No: bb0012v2  Name: Train Wheel, Middle Wheel for 12V Motor
* 
bb0012v2 Train Wheel, Middle Wheel for 12V Motor
Parts: Wheel
came first assembled with train rim in 1980 but I don't know the exact timeline.
I have photos of a new 180 I don't know how much it helps. I don't have
photos of a new 181, but maybe I have in my older retired laptop. It would exactly
like this anyway.

Thanks,
Reza
 




 Author: cwedin View Messages Posted By cwedin
 Posted: May 28, 2020 16:04
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 8558-1
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It caught my attention because the Brown 13L hoses in 8595 Takua & Pewku also
have 41 ribs, so I was just a bit confused.
 Author: FCBricks View Messages Posted By FCBricks
 Posted: May 28, 2020 15:14
 Subject: Inventory Change Request for Set 41904-1
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 41904  Name: Picture Holders
* 
41904-1 (Inv) Picture Holders
423 Parts, 2020
Sets: Dots

* Add 1 Gear 901956 Trans-Clear Sorting Tray Lid, Dots 7 Compartment (Fits 901957)
* Add 1 Gear 901957 Medium Azure Sorting Tray Dots, 7 Compartment, Bottom (Fits 901956)
 Author: saosivert View Messages Posted By saosivert
 Posted: May 28, 2020 14:44
 Subject: Inventory Change Request for Set 76054-1
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 76054  Name: Batman: Scarecrow Harvest of Fear
* 
76054-1 (Inv) Batman: Scarecrow Harvest of Fear
539 Parts, 5 Minifigures, 1 Book, 2016
Sets: Super Heroes: Batman II

* Add 1 Part 18973pb10 Trans-Black Windscreen 6 x 4 x 1 Curved with Batman Logo Pattern (Sticker) - Set 76054 (Counterpart)
 Author: koji View Messages Posted By koji
 Posted: May 28, 2020 14:24
 Subject: Inventory Change Request for Set 8101-1
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 8101  Name: Claw Crusher
* 
8101-1 (Inv) Claw Crusher
91 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 2007
Sets: Exo-Force

* Add 4 Part 32064c Dark Bluish Gray Technic, Brick 1 x 2 with Axle Hole and Inside Side Supports (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Change 4 Part Dark Bluish Gray 32064b Technic, Brick 1 x 2 with Axle Hole - X Opening {match ID 0 to 1}

Comments from Submitter:
32064c has been found from a sealed copy.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: May 28, 2020 13:37
 Subject: Inventory Change Request for Set 80009-1
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 80009  Name: Pigsy's Food Truck
* 
80009-1 (Inv) Pigsy's Food Truck
808 Parts, 5 Minifigures, 2020
Sets: Monkie Kid

* Change {1 to 2} Part Black 2780 Technic, Pin with Friction Ridges Lengthwise with Center Slots (Extra)
* Change {1 to 2} Part Flat Silver 4073 Plate, Round 1 x 1 (Extra)

Comments from Submitter:
From sealed set contents.
 Author: bricksbc View Messages Posted By bricksbc
 Posted: May 28, 2020 13:21
 Subject: Inventory Change Request for Set 41317-1
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 41317  Name: Sunshine Catamaran
* 
41317-1 (Inv) Sunshine Catamaran
586 Parts, 3 Minifigures, 2017
Sets: Friends

* Add 2 Part 3245cpb119 White Brick 1 x 2 x 2 with Inside Stud Holder with Speaker and Sea Shells Pattern (Sticker) - Set 41317 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 4445pb06L White Slope 45 2 x 8 with Dolphin and HLC-41317 Pattern Model Left Side (Sticker) - Set 41317 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 4445pb06R White Slope 45 2 x 8 with HLC-41317 and Dolphin Pattern Model Right Side (Sticker) - Set 41317 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 87079pb714 Black Tile 2 x 4 with Girl Surfing and 'TV' Pattern (Sticker) - Set 41317 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 87544pb060 White Panel 1 x 2 x 3 with Side Supports - Hollow Studs with 2 Towels Pattern (Sticker) - Set 41317 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 26603pb078L White Tile 2 x 3 with Medium Azure Lines and Flower Pattern Model Left Side (Sticker) - Set 41317 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 87079pb713 Magenta Tile 2 x 4 with White Flowers Decoration on Magenta Background Pattern (Sticker) - Set 41317 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 3245cpb120 White Brick 1 x 2 x 2 with Inside Stud Holder with Girls in Picture and Glass Bottle on Shelf Pattern (Sticker) - Set 41317 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 60581pb141 White Panel 1 x 4 x 3 with Side Supports - Hollow Studs with Shower Curtain with Sea Shells Decoration Pattern (Sticker) - Set 41317 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 60581pb140 White Panel 1 x 4 x 3 with Side Supports - Hollow Studs with Perfume Bottles and Flowers on Shelf and Sea Shells Pattern (Sticker) - Set 41317 (Counterpart)
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: May 28, 2020 13:05
 Subject: Re: Why are these Hinges?
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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  And what the current project is doing is only addressing the names of the categories,
and then, only by tweaking their definitions, not by changing their names (or
maybe just a little, eventually, if really necessary) and certainly not by regrouping
parts and identifying why people are looking in the wrong categories.

True. As I stated in this message:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1191211

we're not working with categories right now. We're only trying to
define what existing categories contain or should contain. Ideally we would do
both things at the same time, but I believe that's just too much going on
at once.


Yes, categories need to be updated. That is step two. Creating category definitions,
knowing that a few of them will be changed when we start discussing categories
themselves, was step one.
 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
 Posted: May 28, 2020 12:57
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In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
  In Catalog, Teup writes:
  […]
As far as I can see I have understood everything you said but it seems that you
honestly misunderstand what I try to say.

What I understand is that you’re sometimes conceding there are problems and then
you go harping on again about how their identified¹ causes are only theoritical,
logical or conceptual considerations that doubtfully cause real problems.
“Oh yes, those are problems. But causes are not problems. And these causes
are only conceptual. So there’s no real problem.”
Guh.

Inconsistency is a no-no in categorization theory. It doesn’t mean the problems
caused by inconsistencies are theoretical.


¹ Yes, the causes are identified:
If the problem is “I can’t identify this part” (which is only one example of
the problems we have), it’s because “I” (the “I” who has the problem, not necessarily
me) looked in categories (plural, “I” is not obtuse and knows they can be wrong
or confused) “I” thought the part would be. And “I” think a part would be in
maybe this or that category because of the names of this and that category and
because the part “I”’m trying to identify looks like the parts that are in this
and that categoriy, or because the part is used like (*brr, shivers*) the parts
that are in this and that category.
So “I” was misguided and confused by the category names and the parts that are
in the categories, by what “I” thought the parts shared.
Same (or worse) with browsing by category: “I” look for parts like such other
parts in the categories these other parts are in, if the parts “I” should see
aren’t in these categories, it’s because “I” didn’t get what the categories “meant”
(what their names meant, what features the parts that are in them share).
Causes: names don’t mean what “I” think they mean, parts don’t share what “I”
think they share.

And what the current project is doing is only addressing the names of the categories,
and then, only by tweaking their definitions, not by changing their names (or
maybe just a little, eventually, if really necessary) and certainly not by regrouping
parts and identifying why people are looking in the wrong categories.
IOW, they are writing down the exceptions to the definitions so that parts will
only be in one category. But if “I” don’t learn these definitions by heart,
“I”’ll still look for them in the wrong places because the names will be the
same and the parts will be in the same place.

Changes to the categories and parts is always on a case by case basis. Sometimes,
one person proposes to split a category or move a couple parts. And then people
discuss this little bit of the catalogue and, maybe, the consequences on another
little bit.
No global view.
“Rearranging chairs” as mfav once put it (well, more than once actually).


  […]
And it seems the story is inconsistent on categories like hinges and boat will
or will not change - right now it's a bit of eating the cake and having
it too, because on the one hand everything will be logically restrucutured but
on the other hand it will not result in major mismatches in jargon or catalogs
across platforms.

It’s simply because we don’t know: we haven’t listed the attributes, we haven’t
prioritized them, we haven’t defined the categories.


  You didn't say it would cost nothing, but still, don't assume you oversee
everything. There are a lot of implications for a lot of people. These need to
be assessed.

But we can’t know. The only question we can ask now is “would you be favourable
to a change in the categories.” But we can’t say how important the change.

100% agree that you guys made a very good analysis of what would be the reasons
behind it if there are problems.
Also agree there are these problems.
Not yet sure about the magnitude of the problems, ranging from on the
one hand 'a few guys and gals a day not getting to the part the first try
but reaching it the second time and then memorising it for the next time with
no further difficulty' (the best scenario) to 'lots of people constantly
confused, giving up on placing orders and throwing heaps of parts in the will-do-later-aka-never
bin' (worst scenario)

And yeah, the implications of the solution also depend on how dramatic the rearranging
will be, again ranging from on the one end '99% the same result as we have
now but with perfect definitions' (62Bricks also mentioned this is still
a possibility) to 'forget everything you thought you knew about lego'
on the other end.

That's the prize dimension and the cost dimension.

If changes like this would ever be in the works for real, I guess I would need
to wait with forming an opinion until more would be clear about where we are
on these two scales. I want things to be within reason and proportion (because
there are consequences beyond just getting used to new things), but I would surely
give it an honest chance.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: May 28, 2020 12:25
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For what it's worth, I believe that this variant is easily worthy of its
own catalog entry. I honestly do not understand why it would be rejected twice.

Cheers,
Randy

In Catalog, SezaR writes:
  I recently submitted a part variant for
 
Part No: 4180c01  Name: Brick, Modified 2 x 4 with Black Wheels, Train Spoked Small (23mm D.) and Black Pins (4180 / wheel3 / 2344)
* 
4180c01 (Inv) Brick, Modified 2 x 4 with Black Wheels, Train Spoked Small (23mm D.) and Black Pins (4180 / wheel3 / 2344)
Parts: Wheel

The other variation of this part has red central pin
 
Part No: 2344  Name: Pin for FreeStyle Wheel
* 
2344 Pin for FreeStyle Wheel
Parts: Wheel, Accessory {Red}
instead of black. Currently, an extra photo for this item is included to show
this second variation and a note is also added.

My submission is rejected since CatAdmins are working on guidelines to figure
out when the split variations of a part, but I am informed that "the likelihood
of adding these as catalog entries in the future is rather low."
I thought a discussion on the forum about this part can be more helpful.

While I am in general against adding variation of parts as separate entries,
I do not know why this variation was not added in the past 15 years, and why
my two attempts in adding them in the past 3 years has been rejected. I started
to list reasons I know for why it is important to split this part and for doing
this, I checked the listing of
 
Part No: 4180c01  Name: Brick, Modified 2 x 4 with Black Wheels, Train Spoked Small (23mm D.) and Black Pins (4180 / wheel3 / 2344)
* 
4180c01 (Inv) Brick, Modified 2 x 4 with Black Wheels, Train Spoked Small (23mm D.) and Black Pins (4180 / wheel3 / 2344)
Parts: Wheel

Catadmins have some criteria for when to split an entry and will even work on
it. For this particular part, I am wondering if they have checked how many sellers
have included in the description of their 4180c01 "red pin?"

We can assume some sellers who currently have these wheels for sale may not know
variations or the importance of variations for buyers, so why they did not mention
it in the description.
Since 4180c01 with red central pin was produced for one entire year (1986) and
the other variation for 10 years (1980-85 and 1987-90) we expect to see about
%9 of wheels 4180c01 that are ever produced to have red central pin. We can
also see that currently, 34 lots out of 163 lots for sale have "red" in the description.
This is about %20 of all listings. (the number of items in each lot is different,
and we do not know how fast wheels with red central pin are sold)

Does this show that almost all sellers know the importance of the color of pin
for buyers? Based on this observation, I would say definitely.

The note for the entry of 3443c07 is probably not correct:

This part also exists with red axle pins, but this is considered to be a production
error
. Variants with red pins may be listed in the item description.


This wheel with red central pin was produced for one entire year, coming in seven
sets. This was most likely a decision of TLG rather than an error. Black pins
could not be out of stock for 12 months. The same for this part
 
Part No: 3443c07  Name: Train Battery Box Car with Three Contact Holes, Black Switch Lever, Black Magnets, and Black Wheels
* 
3443c07 Train Battery Box Car with Three Contact Holes, Black Switch Lever, Black Magnets, and Black Wheels
Parts: Train
produced in one year (1987) but before (1985-86) and after (1988-1990) TLG produced
them with red switch
 
Part No: 3443c08  Name: Train Battery Box Car with Three Contact Holes, Red Switch Lever, Black Magnets, and Black Wheels
* 
3443c08 Train Battery Box Car with Three Contact Holes, Red Switch Lever, Black Magnets, and Black Wheels
Parts: Train
Were red switch out of stock for one year? I don't think so. For some strange
reason, TLG produced this battery wagon with black switch in 1987 but after,
they went back to red-switch version again.

If you have had trains from 80's, please add your comments if you think this
part should, or should not, be replaced by two more specific entries, red or
black central pin.
This discussion will hopefully help the decision CatAdmins will make in the near
future.
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: May 28, 2020 11:52
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In Catalog, Teup writes:
  […]
As far as I can see I have understood everything you said but it seems that you
honestly misunderstand what I try to say.

What I understand is that you’re sometimes conceding there are problems and then
you go harping on again about how their identified¹ causes are only theoritical,
logical or conceptual considerations that doubtfully cause real problems.
“Oh yes, those are problems. But causes are not problems. And these causes
are only conceptual. So there’s no real problem.”
Guh.

Inconsistency is a no-no in categorization theory. It doesn’t mean the problems
caused by inconsistencies are theoretical.


¹ Yes, the causes are identified:
If the problem is “I can’t identify this part” (which is only one example of
the problems we have), it’s because “I” (the “I” who has the problem, not necessarily
me) looked in categories (plural, “I” is not obtuse and knows they can be wrong
or confused) “I” thought the part would be. And “I” think a part would be in
maybe this or that category because of the names of this and that category and
because the part “I”’m trying to identify looks like the parts that are in this
and that categoriy, or because the part is used like (*brr, shivers*) the parts
that are in this and that category.
So “I” was misguided and confused by the category names and the parts that are
in the categories, by what “I” thought the parts shared.
Same (or worse) with browsing by category: “I” look for parts like such other
parts in the categories these other parts are in, if the parts “I” should see
aren’t in these categories, it’s because “I” didn’t get what the categories “meant”
(what their names meant, what features the parts that are in them share).
Causes: names don’t mean what “I” think they mean, parts don’t share what “I”
think they share.

And what the current project is doing is only addressing the names of the categories,
and then, only by tweaking their definitions, not by changing their names (or
maybe just a little, eventually, if really necessary) and certainly not by regrouping
parts and identifying why people are looking in the wrong categories.
IOW, they are writing down the exceptions to the definitions so that parts will
only be in one category. But if “I” don’t learn these definitions by heart,
“I”’ll still look for them in the wrong places because the names will be the
same and the parts will be in the same place.

Changes to the categories and parts is always on a case by case basis. Sometimes,
one person proposes to split a category or move a couple parts. And then people
discuss this little bit of the catalogue and, maybe, the consequences on another
little bit.
No global view.
“Rearranging chairs” as mfav once put it (well, more than once actually).


  […]
And it seems the story is inconsistent on categories like hinges and boat will
or will not change - right now it's a bit of eating the cake and having
it too, because on the one hand everything will be logically restrucutured but
on the other hand it will not result in major mismatches in jargon or catalogs
across platforms.

It’s simply because we don’t know: we haven’t listed the attributes, we haven’t
prioritized them, we haven’t defined the categories.


  You didn't say it would cost nothing, but still, don't assume you oversee
everything. There are a lot of implications for a lot of people. These need to
be assessed.

But we can’t know. The only question we can ask now is “would you be favourable
to a change in the categories.” But we can’t say how important the change.
 Author: heino View Messages Posted By heino
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Tanks so much guys!

In Inventories, runner.caller writes:
  In Inventories, heino writes:
  Hello,
is there anyone who could please tell me if there is a way to be able to view
an XML (or INVXML) file of a bricklink inventory. I downloaded it from bricklink
but have no idea how to view it.
Thanks so much in advance!!
Best regards
Henrik

Yep, if you have excel.
Go to the developer tab.
Import, and then find your file (probably in your downloads folder)
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In Inventories, heino writes:
  Hello,
is there anyone who could please tell me if there is a way to be able to view
an XML (or INVXML) file of a bricklink inventory. I downloaded it from bricklink
but have no idea how to view it.
Thanks so much in advance!!
Best regards
Henrik

Yep, if you have excel.
Go to the developer tab.
Import, and then find your file (probably in your downloads folder)
 
 Author: calsbricks View Messages Posted By calsbricks
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In Inventories, heino writes:
  Hello,
is there anyone who could please tell me if there is a way to be able to view
an XML (or INVXML) file of a bricklink inventory. I downloaded it from bricklink
but have no idea how to view it.
Thanks so much in advance!!
Best regards
Henrik

You can view xml files in Excel or in any text editor.

Hope that helps
 Author: heino View Messages Posted By heino
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Hello,
is there anyone who could please tell me if there is a way to be able to view
an XML (or INVXML) file of a bricklink inventory. I downloaded it from bricklink
but have no idea how to view it.
Thanks so much in advance!!
Best regards
Henrik

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