Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies Author: | axaday | Posted: | May 20, 2020 18:54 | Subject: | Re: Three versions of the 9797 set | Viewed: | 26 times | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
| In Catalog Requests, xoshimin writes:
| I'm sure LEGO won't release the item (56145) in Light Gray color to put
it only in some 9797 sets and not use it anymore.
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If we had perfect knowledge, I am sure we would find that other sets had light
gray also. But most of those sets were opened and built and then went to garage
sales and trash cans. The ones that actually get opened and investigated are
a small sample. I have a vintage set on the way that has never been inventoried
before. And plenty of other sets haven't been verified or haven't been
parted out a lot by people who correct inventories.
Manufacturing pieces is one operation and packing sets is another operation and
the people or machines who pack the sets use the parts they have on hand.
It is clear from sets like 9797 and the Star Destroyer that set packers considered
LG and LBG to be the interchangeable until the time came that there were no more
LG parts in the bins. Hygrotus pulled a variant piece from a new set last year
that hadn't been seen in a new set in something like a decade. 32064c should
phase out somewhere around 2005, but Turez found one in a 2008 set. Because
some facility that packs sets still had some.
Frequently when entering PCCs on new pieces, I find something like (I am making
these specific numbers up!) most new PCCs we've been entering for months
are like 6301111 and 6301333 and then a new hair piece comes out with 6271222.
Sets are designed long before they are announced and released and there is no
reason to assume that a piece that didn't get released until 2006 wasn't
produced a few years earlier in some quantities. Some of the Dots elements were
made for Dots and then they decided not to release Dots and some of the pieces
made their way into sets last year. Then they decided to release Dots a year
later. They used those pieces in other sets because they had been manufactured
and were just sitting there. Similarly, LG 56145 may have been produced for
a set that didn't get released and then when they started making the piece
in LBG they used up the LG too. Or maybe when they develop a new part that they
want to start putting in sets, they start manufacturing it in the most obvious
colors, but by the time a designer put it in a set, they had changed over the
LBG, but still had the LG. We really don't know. But I promise you that
I can tell the difference between them and I found what I found. I have not
parted out 20 9797s. But I have parted out 8 of them from 5 different sources.
I have found all 3 heads and both kinds of hats and both kinds of light grays.
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Author: | randyf | Posted: | May 20, 2020 18:51 | Subject: | Re: Three versions of the 9797 set | Viewed: | 32 times | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
| In Catalog Requests, xoshimin writes:
| I have disassembled about 20 sets of 9797 (I have 17 Activity Booklet). I have
disassembled about 15 sets DACTA and Educational. Relying on this experience,
I wrote a message to the forum.
I'm sure LEGO won't release the item (56145) in Light Gray color to put
it only in some 9797 sets and not use it anymore.
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Probably not. They probably made it for model shops and then the leftovers got
put into Dacta sets.
| I think LEGO could allow a
marriage in the composition of the plastic and the detail has changed color a
little over time.
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This can happen occasionally to some colors in some conditions, but the difference
between light gray and light bluish gray is still noticeable.
| In the photo, the cap and legs that I took out of one sealed
package from the DACTA set. These details are blue, but the cap has a yellowish
tinge. And such blue details with a yellow tint I have seen in many sets of DACTA
and Educational. In my opinion, this is not a new blue color, it is a marriage
of plastic (I do not sell such parts).
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This is a color that collectors refer to as "Brittle Blue". Do a search for it
in the forums and you will learn all about it.
| I don't think we should continue the argument. This is a question of the
difference between my experience and yours. I think the bricklink database administrator
already has enough information to make the right decision.
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There never was an argument, was there? The history of LEGO encompasses a lot
more than just the Dacta sets, so you have to have a broader knowledge about
where they fit in the scheme of things. This history includes sets including
mixes of the grays long after the color switch in 2004, the fact that Dacta sets
are sometimes dumping grounds for leftover parts, etc.
| If necessary, I can send a request to LEGO to see if the 9797 set included parts
with the Light Gray color.
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Go for it. However, I bet you, I, Jonathan (axaday) and a few others here probably
know a lot more about the set than they do.
Cheers,
Randy
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Author: | tron404 | Posted: | May 20, 2020 18:30 | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 4767-1 | Viewed: | 19 times | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| | | A few years ago someone at 1000steine.de reported that he got this set with reddish
brown stairs from a seller who stated that all parts in that set were original.
At that time I found two used copies on Ebay which also had reddish brown stairs.
And I also found this brickshelf gallery:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?f=252053
And some boxes show reddish brown stairs:
http://www.brickshelf.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi?i=5724794
So it seems some copies came indeed with reddish brown stairs. Maybe LEGO did
not have enough dark orange stairs in stock and replaced them with reddish brown
ones. We know at that time (around 2005/2006) there were significant problems
with parts availability. Remember my set 10128 from early 2006 that came with
white parts instead of light gray ones.
Regards,
Jonas
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Thank you, Jonas.
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Hello, Sorry I didn't see your replies!!!
Thank you for approving my edit: Yes I am 100% sure they are his own.
The reasons are:
1) I never disassembled my copy since I was a kid.
2) I don't own any other set that has these reddish brown stairs. Those are
the only ones that I own (I have a rather small collection compared to some Afols)
Unfortunately I don't have the original box anymore, but my instruction booklet
shows Dark Orange both on the cover and on the interior pages. I was around 10
at that time and didn't pay attention to that.
I started using bricklink very recently and I greatly appreciate that you approved
my edit! I enjoy contributing and might do it again if I found other interesting
facts.
By the way: one mistake that I did notice as a kid is that in exo-force 7709
Lego gave me a wrong character head. I was missing the head of "Keiken" and instead
had 2 copies of the head of exf001. Do you think this could be considered as
an alternate part or that is just a factory mistake?
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Author: | axaday | Posted: | May 20, 2020 18:23 | Subject: | Re: Three versions of the 9797 set | Viewed: | 26 times | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
| In Catalog Requests, xoshimin writes:
| I have disassembled about 20 sets of 9797 (I have 17 Activity Booklet). I have
disassembled about 15 sets DACTA and Educational. Relying on this experience,
I wrote a message to the forum.
I'm sure LEGO won't release the item (56145) in Light Gray color to put
it only in some 9797 sets and not use it anymore. I think LEGO could allow a
marriage in the composition of the plastic and the detail has changed color a
little over time. In the photo, the cap and legs that I took out of one sealed
package from the DACTA set. These details are blue, but the cap has a yellowish
tinge. And such blue details with a yellow tint I have seen in many sets of DACTA
and Educational. In my opinion, this is not a new blue color, it is a marriage
of plastic (I do not sell such parts).
I don't think we should continue the argument. This is a question of the
difference between my experience and yours. I think the bricklink database administrator
already has enough information to make the right decision.
If necessary, I can send a request to LEGO to see if the 9797 set included parts
with the Light Gray color.
A little more information about the configuration of 9797 sets:
Items 41752 and 41753 were included only in the set of 2006, in the future (2009
and 2012) rubbers lay in cardboard boxes.
Part bb0273 could only be included in the 2006 kit along with the x1678 battery.
Part bb0527 could only be included in the 2009 and 2012 set along with the 87662c01
battery.
Regards
Alexei
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That hat color is known here as Brittle Blue. You can search that on the forum
to find out more.
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Author: | xoshimin | Posted: | May 20, 2020 18:16 | Subject: | Re: Three versions of the 9797 set | Viewed: | 33 times | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
| I have disassembled about 20 sets of 9797 (I have 17 Activity Booklet). I have
disassembled about 15 sets DACTA and Educational. Relying on this experience,
I wrote a message to the forum.
I'm sure LEGO won't release the item (56145) in Light Gray color to put
it only in some 9797 sets and not use it anymore. I think LEGO could allow a
marriage in the composition of the plastic and the detail has changed color a
little over time. In the photo, the cap and legs that I took out of one sealed
package from the DACTA set. These details are blue, but the cap has a yellowish
tinge. And such blue details with a yellow tint I have seen in many sets of DACTA
and Educational. In my opinion, this is not a new blue color, it is a marriage
of plastic (I do not sell such parts).
I don't think we should continue the argument. This is a question of the
difference between my experience and yours. I think the bricklink database administrator
already has enough information to make the right decision.
If necessary, I can send a request to LEGO to see if the 9797 set included parts
with the Light Gray color.
A little more information about the configuration of 9797 sets:
Items 41752 and 41753 were included only in the set of 2006, in the future (2009
and 2012) rubbers lay in cardboard boxes.
Part bb0273 could only be included in the 2006 kit along with the x1678 battery.
Part bb0527 could only be included in the 2009 and 2012 set along with the 87662c01
battery.
Regards
Alexei
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Author: | xoshimin | Posted: | May 20, 2020 17:26 | Subject: | Re: Three versions of the 9797 set | Viewed: | 38 times | Topic: | Catalog Requests | |
| In Catalog Requests, StormChaser writes:
| In Catalog Requests, xoshimin writes:
Your pictures would be extremely useful, but BrickLink has mangled them into
tiny and therefore unusable sizes. Do you have these uploaded somewhere that
we can access them in large sizes? If not, then can you do that?
Also, do we have your permission to use these photos as catalog images if we
need to?
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I hope these photos are suitable for the site. Write if you need other photos.
I allow you to use these photos on the Bricklink website.
https://yadi.sk/d/LerMvEsDGUTmfQ
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Author: | Brixalotl | Posted: | May 20, 2020 16:56 | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 75001-1 | Viewed: | 21 times | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 44302b Light Bluish Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 Locking with 2 Fingers on End without Bottom Groove (Alternate) (match ID 2)
* Change 1 Part Light Bluish Gray 44302a Hinge Plate 1 x 2 Locking with 2 Fingers on End with Bottom Groove {match ID 0 to 2}
Comments from Submitter:
found both variants during part out, thanks
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Author: | SylvainLS | Posted: | May 20, 2020 16:16 | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6980-1 | Viewed: | 23 times | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, anathema writes:
| In Inventories Requests, anathema writes:
| The hose in my copy of the set is 77mm (slightly under 10 studs) in length.
There is no way to know if it's been cut down at some point, of course.
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I've done some more investigation.
My hose is a different colour to the other 'classic hose' parts I have;
it also has a slightly smaller inner diameter, although it is still larger than
that of a genuine pneumatic hose.
So either there have been different types of hose used over the years (possible)
or else what I have is an aftermarket replacement.
Whichever it is, I'm inclined to believe that this set most likely only ever
shipped with a 12L hose.
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Is it slightly transparent?
When I checked mine, there was a ~10L black one near them but only one and slightly
translucent. I compared it with the pneumatic hose from the same period I had
in another drawer and they match (so in the pneumatic drawer it went).
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Author: | Turez | Posted: | May 20, 2020 14:56 | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 8255-1 | Viewed: | 34 times | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change {1 to 2} Part Green 2431pb035 Tile 1 x 4 with 'RESCUE patrol' Pattern (Sticker) - Set 8255 (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
https://www.lego.com/biassets/bi/4129104.pdf
Page 33 and 36 show that there should be a sticker on both sides.
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Author: | electricbaer | Posted: | May 20, 2020 14:44 | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 75877-1 | Viewed: | 25 times | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 54200pb096R Trans-Black Slope 30 1 x 1 x 2/3 with White Headlight Pattern Model Right Side (Sticker) - Set 75877 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 54200pb096L Trans-Black Slope 30 1 x 1 x 2/3 with White Headlight Pattern Model Left Side (Sticker) - Set 75877 (Counterpart)
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Author: | starbeanie | Posted: | May 20, 2020 14:41 | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 8255-1 | Viewed: | 19 times | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 2 Minifig tech022a Technic Figure White Legs, White Top with White and Green Torso with Rescue Pattern, Green Arms
* Change 2 Minifig tech022s Technic Figure White Legs with Knife (sticker) on Right Leg, White Top with White and Green Torso with Rescue Pattern, Green Arms {Regular to Counterpart}
Comments from Submitter:
the unstickered one should be the standard
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Author: | kzinti | Posted: | May 20, 2020 14:28 | Subject: | Re: Number of items wrong | Viewed: | 43 times | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, cheeky.monkey writes:
| Issue with inventory always wrong amount how can 5 turn into 13 finding this
in the last 6wks is LEGO trying to piss me of its doing the job
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Inventory issues have been an ongoing thing for a while. I part out new sets,
and items with no inventory extras (like regular bricks) BrickLink will show
as sold out on an order, yet when I pull the order, I have extra parts in my
physical inventory. I have dozens of these 'overstock' parts to count
and re-inventory due to this.
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Author: | paulvdb | Posted: | May 20, 2020 13:22 | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6980-1 | Viewed: | 20 times | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, anathema writes:
| In Inventories Requests, anathema writes:
| The hose in my copy of the set is 77mm (slightly under 10 studs) in length.
There is no way to know if it's been cut down at some point, of course.
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I've done some more investigation.
My hose is a different colour to the other 'classic hose' parts I have;
it also has a slightly smaller inner diameter, although it is still larger than
that of a genuine pneumatic hose.
So either there have been different types of hose used over the years (possible)
or else what I have is an aftermarket replacement.
Whichever it is, I'm inclined to believe that this set most likely only ever
shipped with a 12L hose.
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Thanks for checking further. Based on this we'll conclude for now that this
set only came with the 12L hose. But the 10L hose can be added back if someone
finds evidence of it.
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Author: | StormChaser | Posted: | May 20, 2020 12:03 | Subject: | Re: Difference between keychain lights | Viewed: | 22 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, TheBohrok writes:
| I see. Mine would then fall under LED Key Light Minifigure Key Chain since they
have the tag
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Only if going by the catalog images. Technically, both existing catalog entries
are undetermined because the titles of each entry fail to specify the packaging
or the color of the items.
| I was thinking it might be better to merge them
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I also think it would be better to merge them.
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Author: | anathema | Posted: | May 20, 2020 12:03 | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6980-1 | Viewed: | 23 times | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, anathema writes:
| The hose in my copy of the set is 77mm (slightly under 10 studs) in length.
There is no way to know if it's been cut down at some point, of course.
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I've done some more investigation.
My hose is a different colour to the other 'classic hose' parts I have;
it also has a slightly smaller inner diameter, although it is still larger than
that of a genuine pneumatic hose.
So either there have been different types of hose used over the years (possible)
or else what I have is an aftermarket replacement.
Whichever it is, I'm inclined to believe that this set most likely only ever
shipped with a 12L hose.
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Author: | ZwarteMagica | Posted: | May 20, 2020 11:36 | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 7298-1 | Viewed: | 24 times | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 4346pb22L Light Bluish Gray Container, Box 2 x 2 x 2 Door with Slot and 'OPEN', Arrows and Lock Pattern Model Left Side (Sticker) - Set 7298 (Counterpart)
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Author: | Brixalotl | Posted: | May 20, 2020 11:24 | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 75083-1 | Viewed: | 26 times | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 2 Part 44567a Dark Bluish Gray Hinge Plate 1 x 2 Locking with 1 Finger on Side with Bottom Groove (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Change 2 Part Dark Bluish Gray 44567b Hinge Plate 1 x 2 Locking with 1 Finger on Side without Bottom Groove {match ID 0 to 1}
Comments from Submitter:
found grooved version during part out, thanks
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Author: | chairman888 | Posted: | May 20, 2020 11:19 | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 346-1 | Viewed: | 23 times | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
| In Inventories Requests, chairman888 writes:
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 4 Part 3035 Light Gray Plate 4 x 8 (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Change 4 Part Light Gray {3035 Plate 4 x 8 to 3035old Plate 4 x 8 with Waffle Bottom} {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 1}
Comments from Submitter:
I have my 346-1 but no original box or instructions. The 4 light gray plates are all waffle bottom. I didn’t own any of the other kits listed as having light gray waffle so I suspect that this kit (or least my copy) came with waffle bottom plates. I am not certain enough to suggest changing this piece entirely from 3035 to 3035old, only to suggest an alternate.
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These are all listings I could find
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/lego-samsonite-jumbo-jet-lego-set-346-514285674
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/lego-vintage-jumbo-jet-346-mini-wheel-1832894433
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From the two links posted, the light gray 4x8's are waffle-bottom's.
Would this be sufficient weight to change the 3035 to 3035old as a Regular
(without alternate)?
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Author: | TheBohrok | Posted: | May 20, 2020 11:16 | Subject: | Re: Difference between keychain lights | Viewed: | 19 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| In Catalog, TheBohrok writes:
There are technically four items here:
1. Blue figure packaged and sold in cardboard box
2. Blue figure not packaged and sold with paper tag
3. Red figure packaged and sold in cardboard box
4. Red figure not packaged and sold with paper tag
For those four items there are two catalog entries:
1. Mini Torch Minifigure Flashlight Key Chain Classic
2. LED Key Light Minifigure Key Chain
Neither catalog entry specifies the color of the figure or the type of packaging.
Since we're not being specific with either catalog entry, I agree that it
would probably be appropriate to merge the catalog entries.
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I see. Mine would then fall under LED Key Light Minifigure Key Chain since they
have the tag (and are also in an open polybag with an adhesive strip to "seal"
the bag). I was thinking it might be better to merge them in case an interested
buyer is only aware of one and not the other nearly identical entry and for sellers
to get more exposure (which would be my case ).
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Author: | StormChaser | Posted: | May 20, 2020 11:08 | Subject: | Re: Difference between keychain lights | Viewed: | 28 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, TheBohrok writes:
There are technically four items here:
1. Blue figure packaged and sold in cardboard box
2. Blue figure not packaged and sold with paper tag
3. Red figure packaged and sold in cardboard box
4. Red figure not packaged and sold with paper tag
For those four items there are two catalog entries:
1. Mini Torch Minifigure Flashlight Key Chain Classic
2. LED Key Light Minifigure Key Chain
Neither catalog entry specifies the color of the figure or the type of packaging.
Since we're not being specific with either catalog entry, I agree that it
would probably be appropriate to merge the catalog entries.
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Author: | cheeky.monkey | Posted: | May 20, 2020 10:14 | Subject: | Number of items wrong | Viewed: | 133 times | Topic: | Inventories | Status: | Open | |
| Issue with inventory always wrong amount how can 5 turn into 13 finding this
in the last 6wks is LEGO trying to piss me of its doing the job
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Author: | toontexas | Posted: | May 20, 2020 09:52 | Subject: | Re: One random part... | Viewed: | 67 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Biglesdug writes:
| In Catalog, opposingwinds writes:
| Does anyone know why Brick Modified 1 x 2 x 2/3 No Studs, Wing End is
so expensive?? It's in more than 100 sets and I feel like it's quite
common. I came across several stores selling it for $1, even $2.
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They are probably the same stores selling all their parts at 100%-200% market
value.
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That's a bit rich from the seller of this part:
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Author: | Biglesdug | Posted: | May 20, 2020 09:29 | Subject: | Re: One random part... | Viewed: | 48 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, cycbuild writes:
| In Catalog, runner.caller writes:
| In Catalog, opposingwinds writes:
| Does anyone know why Brick Modified 1 x 2 x 2/3 No Studs, Wing End is
so expensive?? It's in more than 100 sets and I feel like it's quite
common. I came across several stores selling it for $1, even $2.
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Which color?
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Dark bley is way pricier than other colors, and mostly comes in very nice sets
(except this polybag)
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People parting together the bat pod.
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Author: | cycbuild | Posted: | May 20, 2020 09:16 | Subject: | Re: One random part... | Viewed: | 49 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, runner.caller writes:
| In Catalog, opposingwinds writes:
| Does anyone know why Brick Modified 1 x 2 x 2/3 No Studs, Wing End is
so expensive?? It's in more than 100 sets and I feel like it's quite
common. I came across several stores selling it for $1, even $2.
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Which color?
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Dark bley is way pricier than other colors, and mostly comes in very nice sets
(except this polybag)
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