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In Colors, Admin_Russell writes:

In Colors, WoutR writes:

I don't know what the current status is of the planned catalog color project,
but in preparation here is a photo of some pink parts.

The parts on the left are LEGO Light Reddish Violet. The parts on the
right are LEGO Rose. Both are called pink on BrickLink.

Rose is commonly called "Paradisa Pink" and is often sold as "Light Pink" on
BrickLink.

I am not sure if BrickLink's Light Pink actually exist. I suspect many are
misidentified.

One of the solutions is to simply start using Light Pink for the early pink color.

Then we need to check the colors of the few parts that remain.

Some sellers are already doing this.

In my opinion, that supports the need to separate these. Also, I really dislike
grouping colors when the same part is available in both colors. Then, for example,
as a buyer you never know which version you will get.

However, the bigger problem is fitting the new color into our inventory system.
It would be great if the first two set years of Paradisa (1992-1993) the sets
only contained the early pink. But later copies of even the earliest Paradisa
sets have been found with the new pink.

As a guideline:

Rose 1992-1997
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126975831@N07/14776964407/

Light Reddish Violet 1997-2006
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126975831@N07/14931522786/

(after that replaced by Bright Pink)

So then we would be stuck with the same situation as the 2003-2004 color changes,
where large parts of an inventory are labeled color alternates. This presents
a very practical problem in that mold variants would compete for space in the
inventory. We give preference to mold variant over minor color variant, but it's
a choice no Inv Admin wants to make.

BrickLink did a survey of these colors in Brickworld Chicago in 2018. It was
called the Pink Challenge and participants were asked simply to sort by color
a dozen pink colored parts in a tray. These included the modern Bright Pink.
Almost everyone clearly distinguished the early pink color, though there was
little consensus on what to call it. I think we ended up with about 50 different
name suggestions by the end of the event.

Author:

WoutR

Posted:

May 14, 2020 13:06

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Re: Pink, light pink and paradisa pink

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In Colors, StormChaser writes:

In Colors, Miro78 writes:

Will Colors (#10) and/or Colors Additional Notes (#11) include having both BL
and Official Lego naming & lego color ID on this list? https://www.bricklink.com/catalogColors.asp?utm_content=subnav

It won't be on the list you linked to because that would require coding change
to the site itself and we don't have that capability. However, we might
look at adding it to one of those two Help pages.

I'll try to update my list soon
https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=132381

The help pages need a lot of work.
Ryan / Pikachu3 has a lot of great photos and should be able to make comparison
photos of color families under constant light conditions also. Ryan and I both
have a collection that includes almost all known colors, but Ryan's photos
are better.

We also need a catalog guideline on when it is OK to group to known LEGO colors
under one Bricklink color name. Currently, that is common practice.
I think that we should not do that if
- parts are released in both colors;
- if one has colored material (solid/pearl/...) and the other has a surface coating
(chrome/metallic/...)
- the colors look very different (which might be subjective).

Author:

WoutR

Posted:

May 14, 2020 11:42

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Re: Pink, light pink and paradisa pink

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In Colors, StormChaser writes:

It would probably be best to update all the existing catalog guidelines before
doing much of anything else major and that's what we're working on.

Agreed. Don't do everything at once. I assume that this forum thread will
still be available when we get to that project.

Author:

WoutR

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May 14, 2020 11:24

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Re: Pink, light pink and paradisa pink

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In Colors, Adjour writes:

In Colors, WoutR writes:

The pink on the right in that photo looks uv damaged to me. Particularly the
fence. I know paradisa pink gets discolored very easily. Which I'm sure adds
to the problem.

I also have yellowed Paradisa parts. Those are even more yellow.

Author:

WoutR

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May 14, 2020 06:36

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Pink, light pink and paradisa pink

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Open

Author:

WoutR

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May 11, 2020 14:33

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Re: Nougat is the new Flesh

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In Colors, randyf writes:

In Colors, WoutR writes:

In Colors, StormChaser writes:

I believe these are all complete now, pending the inventory change requests being
approved.

Thank you!

It's all done. Dark Nougat is officially in the catalog everywhere it was
supposed to be. One more color issue solved.

Nice

I like it when issues like this one are solved:

3901 Minifigure, Hair Male Smooth
Parts: Minifigure, Hair {Dark Orange}

3901 Minifigure, Hair Male Smooth
Parts: Minifigure, Hair {Dark Nougat}

Two different parts should have two different catalog entries.

Author:

WoutR

Posted:

May 11, 2020 06:24

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Re: Nougat is the new Flesh

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In Colors, StormChaser writes:

I believe these are all complete now, pending the inventory change requests being
approved.

Thank you!

Author:

WoutR

Posted:

May 6, 2020 04:45

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Re: Junior Accounts?

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Suggestions

In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:

In Suggestions, WoutR writes:

[…]
Before LEGO bought BrickLink I would have said no...

But I can see a point in using Studio (especially now LDD is not supported),
and linking that to a wanted list...

Danger, danger.

I agree with that. It would have to be a very limited set of functions... And
there is always the risk that we atract more children pretending to be adults.

Author:

WoutR

Posted:

May 5, 2020 13:26

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Re: Junior Accounts?

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Suggestions

In Suggestions, brickskipper writes:

Hi,

According to BL's TOS you must be of legal age or 18 at least to register.
That is completely understandable from the buying/selling point of view.

But what about a junior account without the privileges to buy or sell?
Kids could browse the catalog, make wanted lists - maybe "publish" them or somehow
share them with "proper" users (e.g. parents) and get used to the platform.

This would lead younger users to BL without being "illegal" and without the chance
to make "bogus" orders or other interference with the "business" on this site.

Just an idea as my daughter is building a lot of stuff in Studio and would like
to create her own wanted lists in BL and is generally interested in this site.

Jan

Before LEGO bought BrickLink I would have said no...

But I can see a point in using Studio (especially now LDD is not supported),
and linking that to a wanted list...

Author:

WoutR

Posted:

May 3, 2020 12:30

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Re: Ants

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I do not see a designID on the multicolored ants.
[p=62575cx1]

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WoutR

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May 3, 2020 12:29

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Re: Ants

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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

In Catalog, hpoort writes:

Except for the coloring, is there any difference between [p=62575cx1] and

23714 Ant
Parts: Animal, Land

Without having both parts to examine, I cannot say. But any differences would
likely be extremely minor.

Also, how do we go about numbering in such a case in general?

We haven't updated this page yet, but everything about item numbering is
here:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=168

62575 is the LEGO
design number for the marbled version, 23714 for the plain version. Is the former
really seen as an assembly (cx1)?

No, this is clearly not an assembly. It was renumbered to maintain compatibility
with Peeron. This happened in 2010 before Peeron died.

I would suggest 62575cx1 renumbered to 23714pb01 and 62575 listed as an alternative
number. Before making such a request, I'd like to be sure about any differences
and guide lines.

I think this is a reasonable request and I see no reason why it should not be
accommodated. If no one objects within the next day or so I'll make it happen.

I know the catalog team has different priorities right now

I am not a spokesperson for the team, but I think it would be fair to say that
our priority is always the catalog and any issues that affect it.

https://brickset.com/parts/design-62575
https://brickset.com/parts/design-23714

I would suggest that we use the designID that LEGO uses as the main partnumber.

23714 for the plain version,
62575* for the multicolored version with 23714pb* as an alternate,
and a catalog relationship between them.

Author:

WoutR

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Apr 24, 2020 10:22

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Re: Is this Pearl Light Gold?

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In Colors, WoutR writes:

In Colors, Cob writes:

In Colors, Bricks_NW_UK writes:

In Colors, Cob writes:

In Colors, Bricks_NW_UK writes:

Good day one and all.

I am trying to identify this colour.

The ones at the bottom are Pearl Gold, are the ones above Pearl Light Gold. I
just don’t recognise the colour

Thanks
Steve

http://v4ei.com/brickref/golds.php

Thanks all for your help. Appreciated as always.

At least I can get my head around it now

Another example was created.

http://v4ei.com/brickref/pearl-golds.php

Nice. It shows the different shades clearly.

In my opinion, the best solution would be to have images like that in the help
section.

Author:

WoutR

Posted:

Apr 24, 2020 10:22

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Re: Is this Pearl Light Gold?

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In Colors, Cob writes:

In Colors, Bricks_NW_UK writes:

In Colors, Cob writes:

In Colors, Bricks_NW_UK writes:

Good day one and all.

I am trying to identify this colour.

The ones at the bottom are Pearl Gold, are the ones above Pearl Light Gold. I
just don’t recognise the colour

Thanks
Steve

http://v4ei.com/brickref/golds.php

Thanks all for your help. Appreciated as always.

At least I can get my head around it now

Another example was created.

http://v4ei.com/brickref/pearl-golds.php

Nice. It shows the different shades clearly.

Author:

WoutR

Posted:

Apr 24, 2020 08:12

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Re: Category Definitions Discussion

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In Catalog, bje writes:

In Catalog, hpoort writes:

I don't see the definition of Plate, Modified and Tile, Modified helping
to choose between them for parts like

33909 Tile, Modified 2 x 2 with Studs on Edge
Parts: Tile, Modified

15573 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud with Groove and Bottom Stud Holder (Jumper)
Parts: Plate, Modified

6180 Tile, Modified 4 x 6 with Studs on Edges
Parts: Tile, Modified

From the present definition of Tile, none of those would be Tile, Modified.
Tile - For items nearly identical to plates for which all corners are square
and the tops are smooth, meaning without studs or other protuberances.

So they would all have to move to Plate, Modified.

I agree. If there are studs on top, then it is a "Plate, modified". If there
are no studs on top, then it is a "Tile, modified".

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WoutR

Posted:

Apr 23, 2020 16:16

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Re: Is this Pearl Light Gold?

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In Colors, Brick.Door writes:

There doesn't seem to be a range of shades - they are either dark or light.

There are (at lest) three shades:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/111441268@N03/15418373687/in/album-72157646588122344/

I would be in favor of creating a new color in Bricklink to list the dark ones.
They could be an alternate item in inventories where they have been included.

I would vote against that.

Author:

WoutR

Posted:

Apr 20, 2020 17:26

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Re: Move Variants Discovered

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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

In Catalog, WoutR writes:

I can probably provide at least 20 variations of these molded lines on the inside
of 2x4 bricks.

I looked through your Flickr photo collection and I was most impressed. I've
updated the additional note.

Thank you. It is a work in progress (all filler brick donations are welcome

)

As a collector of 2x4 bricks, I think that these mold details
are to small and to variable to mention in our catalog.

In another post you mention certain specifics, such as functionality or appearance,
as criteria for having separate catalog entries. The problem is that BrickLink
has no written criteria for separate catalog entries. We've just
been kinda winging it for 20 years.

I think that there are 4 criteria

1) Functional difference.
2) Difference in appearance
3) Time period
4) Very minor details, just to be "complete".

The functional difference should be the MAIN criterium for catalog entries, but
possibly not the only one.

(1) If we look at the functional difference, then for 2x4 bricks we have
- slotted bricks (bslot04*)
- hollow bricks bhol04
- bricks with inner tubes (3001old, 3001).

(2) The difference in appearance is only useful for transparent 2x4 bricks. On
the outside, they are the same. Here, small differences in the inner wall become
visible.

For some parts, this difference can be more important than for others. It will
be challenging to write a good definition for that...

(3) The "bricks with inner tubes" have been in use since 1958. Selling all under
one catalog entry is a problem for people trying to restore old sets. As a collector,
I would not want to buy a 1970 set with 2020 bricks in it. We cannot be very
exact in dating bricks, but with work like my Flickr page we can get pretty close.
The split between 3001old (since 1958) and 3001 (since 1980) is a start to accommodate
buyers here. Some sellers provide additional details in the item description.

Additional images showing such changes over time could help buyers and sellers
looking to complete sets.

For example, see the additional image for 2547. That is nearly perfect. There
is no functional difference, no visual difference and no huge time gap, so there
is no separate catalog entry. The image shows that there are different versions
so buyers and sellers do not have to be confused. The only thing that could make
it better is if we knew the year these part versions were introduced.

2547 Shark Body
Parts: Animal, Body Part

(4) Wanting to be complete and list every minor mold variation would mean that
we could have a catalog note about most of the individual molds. Looking at the
2x4 bricks we can see that molds are made a few at a time, and there are minor
changes when the next batch is made. I want to see those in my collection, but
I do not think that any sensible LEGO builder or collector would care.

Here's an example of that (look at the comparison image):

19159 Technic, Pin Double Triangle 1 x 3 with 2 Clips with Squared Pin Holes
Parts: Technic, Pin

47994 Technic, Pin Double Triangle 1 x 3 with 2 Clips with Round Pin Holes
Parts: Technic, Pin

How much work was put into this non-functional, non-appearance-affecting part
split by everyone involved? And this is just one part. There are more.

So what I expect to see change in 2020: the addition of written guidelines specifying
exactly how part variants are handled. The current justification for our overall
strategy with part variants is that we're serving collectors and purists
with the way we do things.

But . . . we're not. And not only are we failing them rather miserably,
but we're making buyers, sellers, contributors, and administrators go to
sometimes extraordinary lengths to serve a system that doesn't serve anyone
well. People are buying sealed sets and dismantling them to determine a single
part variant, not realizing the whole set box is probably filled with variants.

That, as I've said before, is unsustainable and irrational. I don't
claim to have a solution yet, but I am giving it thought and I always appreciate
your knowledgeable input. I'm not against part variants or having separate
entries for them, but we've been doing it wrongly for a long time.

Author:

WoutR

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Apr 20, 2020 07:22

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Re: Move Variants Discovered

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In Catalog, Stuart9 writes:

Hi Wouter,

Nice to hear from you, hope you are keeping safe an well.

I agree, there are too many variations to list, it would be nice but it would
overwhelm the catalogue.

I also suspect that if we looked at many more parts, the same would apply.

The 3001old with 3001 underneath would be an interesting oddity in the catalogue,
just to name one.

That is certainly an oddity

The main reason to include it in the catalog is so I can find more!
(If people find any, let me know!)

It could be nice to include the version with split tubes. But only for people
looking for bricks from that specific time period, as far as I know there is
no functional difference.

Personally, I think that I would not include 3001oldf1 or 3001f1 in the catalog.
I use them now we have them, and there is a visual difference that some people
might care about because they are used for transparent parts. Solid color parts
have the same inner surfaces, but we simply use 3001old or 3001 for those because
you can't see them.

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WoutR

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Apr 20, 2020 07:12

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Re: Move Variants Discovered

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In Catalog, WoutR writes:

In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

I just added comparison photos and additional notes for the following part variants
I've recently discovered. All of these variants were undocumented on BrickLink
until today:

3001 Brick 2 x 4
Parts: Brick

I can probably provide at least 20 variations of these molded lines on the inside
of 2x4 bricks. As a collector of 2x4 bricks, I think that these mold details
are to small and to variable to mention in our catalog.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/111441268@N03/albums/72157648936541745

Here is a quick image of mold lines inside the 3001 bricks. These inner mold
lines can occur in several different combinations, and can even change within
the same mold over time as a result of mold revisions/maintenance.

The "darker areas" indicate "frosting".
[p=3001f1]

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WoutR

Posted:

Apr 20, 2020 06:41

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Re: Move Variants Discovered

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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

I just added comparison photos and additional notes for the following part variants
I've recently discovered. All of these variants were undocumented on BrickLink
until today:

3001 Brick 2 x 4
Parts: Brick

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WoutR

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Apr 6, 2020 17:50

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Re: 3024 plate 1x1 metallic gold : does it exist?

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