Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies Author: | SezaR | Posted: | Jan 13, 2020 16:31 | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 113-2 | Viewed: | 39 times | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part bb0007pb01 Blue Electric, Motor 4.5V Type A 12 x 4 x 4 with 4.5V stamped on front (match ID 11)
* Delete 4 Part trainrim Light Gray Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels
* Delete 4 Part wheel1b Red Train Wheel with 2 x 2 Stud Center, Beveled Tread and Cam Axle for Motor
* Add 4 Part wheel1bc01 Red Train Wheel with 2 x 2 Stud Center, Beveled Tread and Cam Axle for Motor with Light Gray Train Rim for 4.5V & 12V Locomotive Wheels (wheel1b / trainrim)
* Change 1 Part Blue bb0007 Electric, Motor 4.5V Type A 12 x 4 x 4 {match ID 0 to 11}
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Author: | Turez | Posted: | Jan 13, 2020 15:53 | Subject: | Re: Pattern 1. Pattern 2. | Viewed: | 29 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, FreeStorm writes:
Thanks.
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Author: | Turez | Posted: | Jan 13, 2020 15:48 | Subject: | Re: Pattern 1. Pattern 2. | Viewed: | 40 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| In Catalog, Turez writes:
It is a guy who is being smacked in the guts with a bar because he stood where
he shouldn't. It is perhaps a "Line of Fire Warning".
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Many thanks, NOW I see it!
(Still wouldn't know how to describe it.)
I really didn't recognize any person on that sticker, I always thought is
is some kind of cutter or mower...
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Author: | axaday | Posted: | Jan 13, 2020 15:33 | Subject: | Re: Pattern 1. Pattern 2. | Viewed: | 36 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Turez writes:
| I agree with you, however, I have the same problem as Marek. I already use an
online dictionary and look for existing similar pattern in the catalog when submitting
new parts, but sometimes that does not help either. In the case of the two liftarms,
I found stickered parts from set 42082 which are also only named "Warning Sign
(#1/#2)". And to be honest, I don't want to spend half an hour to find a
description for a single stickered part. For example, I wouldn't even know
how to call that in German:
Without any technical background, that looks like a bunch of French fries to
me.
Having said that, I think I will stick to use numbers when I really have no idea
for a better naming and the only alternative would be not to submit the part
at all. But of course you (or anyone else) are welcome to change them to a more
specific description whenever you want and maybe I can learn something from it.
Regards,
Jonas
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It is a guy who is being smacked in the guts with a bar because he stood where
he shouldn't. It is perhaps a "Line of Fire Warning".
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Author: | Turez | Posted: | Jan 13, 2020 15:12 | Subject: | Re: Pattern 1. Pattern 2. | Viewed: | 32 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
| I agree with you, however, I have the same problem as Marek. I already use an
online dictionary and look for existing similar pattern in the catalog when submitting
new parts, but sometimes that does not help either. In the case of the two liftarms,
I found stickered parts from set 42082 which are also only named "Warning Sign
(#1/#2)". And to be honest, I don't want to spend half an hour to find a
description for a single stickered part. For example, I wouldn't even know
how to call that in German:
Without any technical background, that looks like a bunch of French fries to
me.
Having said that, I think I will stick to use numbers when I really have no idea
for a better naming and the only alternative would be not to submit the part
at all. But of course you (or anyone else) are welcome to change them to a more
specific description whenever you want and maybe I can learn something from it.
Regards,
Jonas
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Author: | Hygrotus | Posted: | Jan 13, 2020 15:03 | Subject: | Re: Pattern 1. Pattern 2. | Viewed: | 34 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
might it be better to have the sticker number
instead of 1 and 2. At least that way, there is a method to it.
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Unfortunately in those two above sticker number is the same
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1174612
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Author: | axaday | Posted: | Jan 13, 2020 12:16 | Subject: | Re: Pattern 1. Pattern 2. | Viewed: | 37 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| I have a masterful command of the English language (no Polish sadly) and I have
no idea how to describe those blue ones where someone who was looking for them
would find them.
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For those particular parts, a difference that could be identified in the titles
would be:
Triangle Facing Model Left
Triangle Facing Model Right
For the two Technic liftarms the actual warnings displayed on the stickers could
be described in the title.
For the modified tiles, the images are too small to even see clearly. So the
difference between those particular parts would need to be determined by looking
at the sticker sheets.
But the point is that we should all try to move away from this pattern 1/pattern
2 practice whenever possible. And I'm sure that if someone looks back through
stuff I've added that I've done it, too.
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I once submitted a torso something like Torso I seriously have no idea pattern.
Admin must have fixed it, but I don't remember what it was now.
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It was this one
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Author: | axaday | Posted: | Jan 13, 2020 12:13 | Subject: | Re: Pattern 1. Pattern 2. | Viewed: | 29 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| I have a masterful command of the English language (no Polish sadly) and I have
no idea how to describe those blue ones where someone who was looking for them
would find them.
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For those particular parts, a difference that could be identified in the titles
would be:
Triangle Facing Model Left
Triangle Facing Model Right
For the two Technic liftarms the actual warnings displayed on the stickers could
be described in the title.
For the modified tiles, the images are too small to even see clearly. So the
difference between those particular parts would need to be determined by looking
at the sticker sheets.
But the point is that we should all try to move away from this pattern 1/pattern
2 practice whenever possible. And I'm sure that if someone looks back through
stuff I've added that I've done it, too.
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I once submitted a torso something like Torso I seriously have no idea pattern.
Admin must have fixed it, but I don't remember what it was now.
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Author: | StormChaser | Posted: | Jan 13, 2020 12:08 | Subject: | Re: Pattern 1. Pattern 2. | Viewed: | 27 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| I have a masterful command of the English language (no Polish sadly) and I have
no idea how to describe those blue ones where someone who was looking for them
would find them.
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For those particular parts, a difference that could be identified in the titles
would be:
Triangle Facing Model Left
Triangle Facing Model Right
For the two Technic liftarms the actual warnings displayed on the stickers could
be described in the title.
For the modified tiles, the images are too small to even see clearly. So the
difference between those particular parts would need to be determined by looking
at the sticker sheets.
But the point is that we should all try to move away from this pattern 1/pattern
2 practice whenever possible. And I'm sure that if someone looks back through
stuff I've added that I've done it, too.
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Author: | axaday | Posted: | Jan 13, 2020 11:56 | Subject: | Re: Pattern 1. Pattern 2. | Viewed: | 38 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| These are added by me, I've named them so I have to say as non native english
speaker I have no idea how to describe them properly in english. This is the
barrier I cannot pass.
They both have almost identical pattern just those geometrical spots are just
in other places on both parts but are the same in shapes.
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Sorry, Marek, I wasn't picking on you or anyone else and I hope I didn't
make it appear that way. I understand language barriers.
The problem with pattern 1/pattern 2 parts is that it's difficult to even
locate them by searching. One has to scan through entire parts categories to
even find pattern 1/pattern 2 titles.
Perhaps this could be made into a community project of locating and retitling
these kinds of parts with slightly more descriptive titles.
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I have a masterful command of the English language (no Polish sadly) and I have
no idea how to describe those blue ones where someone who was looking for them
would find them.
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Author: | Hygrotus | Posted: | Jan 13, 2020 11:50 | Subject: | Re: Pattern 1. Pattern 2. | Viewed: | 42 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
These are added by me, I've named them so I have to say as non native english
speaker I have no idea how to describe them properly in english. This is the
barrier I cannot pass.
They both have almost identical pattern just those geometrical spots are just
in other places on both parts but are the same in shapes.
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Is it actually the same sticker upside-down?
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Yes exactly as it is visible on sticker sheet
but instruction shows them to be applied like this so they need to be two parts.
https://www.lego.com/biassets/bi/6282600.pdf
page 122
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Author: | StormChaser | Posted: | Jan 13, 2020 11:49 | Subject: | Re: Pattern 1. Pattern 2. | Viewed: | 35 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| These are added by me, I've named them so I have to say as non native english
speaker I have no idea how to describe them properly in english. This is the
barrier I cannot pass.
They both have almost identical pattern just those geometrical spots are just
in other places on both parts but are the same in shapes.
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Sorry, Marek, I wasn't picking on you or anyone else and I hope I didn't
make it appear that way. I understand language barriers.
The problem with pattern 1/pattern 2 parts is that it's difficult to even
locate them by searching. One has to scan through entire parts categories to
even find pattern 1/pattern 2 titles.
Perhaps this could be made into a community project of locating and retitling
these kinds of parts with slightly more descriptive titles.
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Author: | axaday | Posted: | Jan 13, 2020 11:45 | Subject: | Re: Pattern 1. Pattern 2. | Viewed: | 35 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
These are added by me, I've named them so I have to say as non native english
speaker I have no idea how to describe them properly in english. This is the
barrier I cannot pass.
They both have almost identical pattern just those geometrical spots are just
in other places on both parts but are the same in shapes.
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Is it actually the same sticker upside-down?
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Author: | Hygrotus | Posted: | Jan 13, 2020 11:42 | Subject: | Re: Pattern 1. Pattern 2. | Viewed: | 34 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
These are added by me, I've named them so I have to say as non native english
speaker I have no idea how to describe them properly in english. This is the
barrier I cannot pass.
They both have almost identical pattern just those geometrical spots are just
in other places on both parts but are the same in shapes.
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Author: | StormChaser | Posted: | Jan 13, 2020 11:34 | Subject: | Pattern 1. Pattern 2. | Viewed: | 164 times | Topic: | Catalog | Status: | Open | |
| There seems to be an increasing trend of identifying patterned parts by simply
calling them Pattern 1 and Pattern 2. Here are three random examples of recent
parts, but I could go on for a while.
I would caution against this practice of non-descriptively titling items. In
fact, I was hoping the site would move away from things like this, not more toward.
Although I suppose we could greatly simplify all titles by simply going the Mini
Upper Part "No. 1470" route that TLG uses.
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Author: | go4bob | Posted: | Jan 13, 2020 06:23 | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 3186-1 | Viewed: | 33 times | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 3024 Trans-Red Plate 1 x 1 (Extra)
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Author: | axaday | Posted: | Jan 12, 2020 23:29 | Subject: | Re: Set 75248 Inventory Awareness | Viewed: | 53 times | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, popsicle writes:
| It would've been nice if you and axaday had joined in. Talk about a dream
team of catalog people!
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This thread confused me and I couldn't think of any way that I could contribute.
I could do inventories the way 62 wants if those were the rules. But like Randy
said, they just aren't the rules. I try to do all of my catalog work in
the way I believe it will be quickly and easily approved.
I understand the place 62 is in. I usually read what he has to say about things.
When I disagree with the admins, I usually do it in private messages. Sometimes
they explain to me what I didn't understand and other times they just explain
that they disagree with me and they get to decide. They sacrifice a lot of time
for the authority they have and that's just the way it is.
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Author: | popsicle | Posted: | Jan 12, 2020 22:44 | Subject: | Re: Set 75248 Inventory Awareness | Viewed: | 79 times | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, randyf writes:
| In Inventories, popsicle writes:
| In Inventories, foxweasle writes:
| I thought I would post this Discussion to bring to the members awareness of a
possible misinterpretation of the Inventory list of Set 75248 Star Wars Resistance
A-Wing Starfighter. The inventory is listed correct as I see it. I just opened
a sealed complete set and confirmed the Inventory. The only Item in Question
is Part 15303 Trans-Red Bar 8L with round End (Spring Shooter Dart). In the Instructions
it does show 3 Items are used but only 2 are actually used in the set. At first
I would think the 3rd piece would be considered an extra part, but since all
three are listed in step 101 the last Instruction step. The Inventory should
remain unchanged.
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Some of the best reads on the subject of BL’s catalog, are between the members
in this thread:
StormChaser
62Bricks
Hygrotus
jennnifer
When they come together in debate, it’s gold!
TLG, if you’re reading this, covet these individual’s collective knowledge and
passion for the site. Two of which have abdicated their admin positions in said
passion.
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I would join the discussion, but I have laid out my thoughts, ideas, opinions,
and general method of approach to our catalog and inventory strategies many times
to Don, and he continues to belittle the admins (who aren't paid and give
exceptionally of ourselves to this site) and rant that his opinion is the only
one that matters. Those are truly the personality hallmarks of trying to affect
change! I understand what he wants, but the admins just settled on a different
means to getting there and I don't believe any of us are going to apologize
for our joint decisions. The decisions require site development, and I am more
hopeful than ever that we can get there once LEGO looks to start developing the
site. Until then, he can rant until he is blue in the face or starts his own
marketplace.
Cheers,
Randy
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Like I said, passion
Passion is a feeling of intense enthusiasm towards or compelling desire for
someone or something. Passion can range from eager interest in or admiration
for an idea, proposal, or cause; to enthusiastic enjoyment of an interest or
activity...
and frankly it's what make the discussion between you all worth reading.
It would've been nice if you and axaday had joined in. Talk about a dream
team of catalog people!
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Author: | axaday | Posted: | Jan 12, 2020 21:47 | Subject: | Re: Set 75248 Inventory Awareness | Viewed: | 41 times | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, randyf writes:
| In fact, the OP says the inventory should
remain unchanged. What exactly is the issue here?
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That confused me as well. I know a few other inventories that are also fine
how they are.
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Author: | randyf | Posted: | Jan 12, 2020 20:45 | Subject: | Re: Set 75248 Inventory Awareness | Viewed: | 50 times | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, randyf writes:
| In Inventories, 62Bricks writes:
| As the admin who personally undid fifteen years worth of past practice on dozens
of former extra part entries, Randy, your input would be most welcome.
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Please list these "dozens" of former extra part entries for me.
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And because it might be hard for you to come up with this, I have gone through
all my work since becoming an admin, and these are the entries where I focused
my work that had an effect on extra parts:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[p=4073c01]
on the guidance of Russell (the BrickLink employee who was in charge of the volunteer
admins) to start work he had not got around to. This entry is very far along
in getting corrected in the inventories thanks to many awesome contributors (you
know who you are).
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[p=28628c01pb01]
[p=28628c01pb02]
[p=28628c01pb03]
[p=4502c01]
[p=4502w]
and
[p=6029c01]
because they were the last sprue entries out of 29 in the catalog that did not
follow the conventions that were already in place for the rest of them. With
this work, all sprue entries became consistently handled across the catalog and
inventories. The official guidelines were being codified and put in place at
the same time that this work was being handled.
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So, seven entries. Definitely not dozens. And out of all of this work, I have
received a total of one complaint. Care to guess who it comes from?
I respect your opinion and I understand it, but I do not want to see the site
go backwards from where it has gotten to with a lot of work from a lot of different
people. You just do not have a forward-thinking approach of the problems with
the current system. I want to see the site keep moving forward, and sometimes
that requires some shakeups and some perseverance. I truly hope LEGO will listen
to where we want to take the inventories system, because it will truly allow
individuals to use the inventories how they want to.
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Author: | randyf | Posted: | Jan 12, 2020 18:26 | Subject: | Re: Set 75248 Inventory Awareness | Viewed: | 58 times | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, 62Bricks writes:
| As the admin who personally undid fifteen years worth of past practice on dozens
of former extra part entries, Randy, your input would be most welcome.
|
Please list these "dozens" of former extra part entries for me.
| Don't explain it to me - explain it to the OP, who is one of many users here
who is still relying on those years of past practice in determining the difference
between a regular and an extra part. Whatever explaining you may have done to
me, the message apparently has not reached the whole community.
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The parts the OP is talking about were never handled differently ever, so I don't
know what there is to explain about it. In fact, the OP says the inventory should
remain unchanged. What exactly is the issue here?
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Author: | 62Bricks | Posted: | Jan 12, 2020 18:13 | Subject: | Re: Set 75248 Inventory Awareness | Viewed: | 81 times | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, randyf writes:
| In Inventories, popsicle writes:
| In Inventories, foxweasle writes:
| I thought I would post this Discussion to bring to the members awareness of a
possible misinterpretation of the Inventory list of Set 75248 Star Wars Resistance
A-Wing Starfighter. The inventory is listed correct as I see it. I just opened
a sealed complete set and confirmed the Inventory. The only Item in Question
is Part 15303 Trans-Red Bar 8L with round End (Spring Shooter Dart). In the Instructions
it does show 3 Items are used but only 2 are actually used in the set. At first
I would think the 3rd piece would be considered an extra part, but since all
three are listed in step 101 the last Instruction step. The Inventory should
remain unchanged.
|
Some of the best reads on the subject of BL’s catalog, are between the members
in this thread:
StormChaser
62Bricks
Hygrotus
jennnifer
When they come together in debate, it’s gold!
TLG, if you’re reading this, covet these individual’s collective knowledge and
passion for the site. Two of which have abdicated their admin positions in said
passion.
|
I would join the discussion, but I have laid out my thoughts, ideas, opinions,
and general method of approach to our catalog and inventory strategies many times
to Don, and he continues to belittle the admins (who aren't paid and give
exceptionally of ourselves to this site) and rant that his opinion is the only
one that matters. Those are truly the personality hallmarks of trying to affect
change! I understand what he wants, but the admins just settled on a different
means to getting there and I don't believe any of us are going to apologize
for our joint decisions. The decisions require site development, and I am more
hopeful than ever that we can get there once LEGO looks to start developing the
site. Until then, he can rant until he is blue in the face or starts his own
marketplace.
Cheers,
Randy
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As the admin who personally undid fifteen years worth of past practice on dozens
of former extra part entries, Randy, your input would be most welcome.
Don't explain it to me - explain it to the OP, who is one of many users here
who is still relying on those years of past practice in determining the difference
between a regular and an extra part. Whatever explaining you may have done to
me, the message apparently has not reached the whole community.
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Author: | randyf | Posted: | Jan 12, 2020 17:35 | Subject: | Re: Set 75248 Inventory Awareness | Viewed: | 59 times | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, popsicle writes:
| In Inventories, foxweasle writes:
| I thought I would post this Discussion to bring to the members awareness of a
possible misinterpretation of the Inventory list of Set 75248 Star Wars Resistance
A-Wing Starfighter. The inventory is listed correct as I see it. I just opened
a sealed complete set and confirmed the Inventory. The only Item in Question
is Part 15303 Trans-Red Bar 8L with round End (Spring Shooter Dart). In the Instructions
it does show 3 Items are used but only 2 are actually used in the set. At first
I would think the 3rd piece would be considered an extra part, but since all
three are listed in step 101 the last Instruction step. The Inventory should
remain unchanged.
|
Some of the best reads on the subject of BL’s catalog, are between the members
in this thread:
StormChaser
62Bricks
Hygrotus
jennnifer
When they come together in debate, it’s gold!
TLG, if you’re reading this, covet these individual’s collective knowledge and
passion for the site. Two of which have abdicated their admin positions in said
passion.
|
I would join the discussion, but I have laid out my thoughts, ideas, opinions,
and general method of approach to our catalog and inventory strategies many times
to Don, and he continues to belittle the admins (who aren't paid and give
exceptionally of ourselves to this site) and rant that his opinion is the only
one that matters. Those are truly the personality hallmarks of trying to affect
change! I understand what he wants, but the admins just settled on a different
means to getting there and I don't believe any of us are going to apologize
for our joint decisions. The decisions require site development, and I am more
hopeful than ever that we can get there once LEGO looks to start developing the
site. Until then, he can rant until he is blue in the face or starts his own
marketplace.
Cheers,
Randy
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Author: | axaday | Posted: | Jan 12, 2020 17:12 | Subject: | Re: Another inconsistency | Viewed: | 70 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, dcarmine writes:
| Inconsistency is a pet peeve of my, so you know it's my last nerve on this
issue.
I haven't parted out much lately, but I got an opportunity to part out 3
of the 2019 Star Wars Advent Calendars
For the last 9 years TLC has included a Winter-ized SW figure in the 24th position
on the calendar. I saw that this last year was a Porg Santa. I didn't look
at the BL inventory to see how the subsets were being handled before I started.
I wanted to preserve the Porg Santa as a complete fig and part out all the other
"parts only" droids.
After finishing the sorting, I went to upload the part-out to BL. And that's
when I found it....Porg Santa was a part out...grrr. But the Gonk and Mouse
droids were left to sell whole...grrrr.
Who decides this stuff? How hard is it to be more consistent? I know there
is a lot of discussion about "What SW Droids are figures" and what are not.
But geesse, SMH.
Just my two cents.
Thanks for reading, no changes are expected.
Donna
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I'm replying since there is a silent finger pointing me
I didn't decide. When I am doing an inventory and there is a controversial
issue, I ask ahead. Because I don't want to take and edit a picture and
then be asked to redo it. A Catalog Admin with a particular interest in Star
Wars guided me. But the rationale isn't really hard to follow. The mouse
droid and GONK droid in the 2019 calendar are very far from the first Mouse and
Gonk and all the others are minifigs. So they are handled like other minifigs.
But the porg and the mynock are not the first porg and mynock either. They
were both in where they are also listed as pieces and then counter
parted as complete assemblies. Just like the brick built animals in
and the dragon in . As far as I know, dinosaurs are the only ones
that appear assembled in the main part of inventories. I don't know why
that is, but I think the answer to your question is just why isn't a porg
a minifig, right? I would have been glad to make it one, but the reason that
it isn't is because it is an animal.
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