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 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Jan 13, 2020 12:08
 Subject: Re: Pattern 1. Pattern 2.
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In Catalog, axaday writes:
  I have a masterful command of the English language (no Polish sadly) and I have
no idea how to describe those blue ones where someone who was looking for them
would find them.

For those particular parts, a difference that could be identified in the titles
would be:

Triangle Facing Model Left
Triangle Facing Model Right

For the two Technic liftarms the actual warnings displayed on the stickers could
be described in the title.

For the modified tiles, the images are too small to even see clearly. So the
difference between those particular parts would need to be determined by looking
at the sticker sheets.

But the point is that we should all try to move away from this pattern 1/pattern
2 practice whenever possible. And I'm sure that if someone looks back through
stuff I've added that I've done it, too.
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
 Posted: Jan 13, 2020 11:56
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
  These are added by me, I've named them so I have to say as non native english
speaker I have no idea how to describe them properly in english. This is the
barrier I cannot pass.

They both have almost identical pattern just those geometrical spots are just
in other places on both parts but are the same in shapes.

Sorry, Marek, I wasn't picking on you or anyone else and I hope I didn't
make it appear that way. I understand language barriers.

The problem with pattern 1/pattern 2 parts is that it's difficult to even
locate them by searching. One has to scan through entire parts categories to
even find pattern 1/pattern 2 titles.

Perhaps this could be made into a community project of locating and retitling
these kinds of parts with slightly more descriptive titles.

I have a masterful command of the English language (no Polish sadly) and I have
no idea how to describe those blue ones where someone who was looking for them
would find them.
 Author: Hygrotus View Messages Posted By Hygrotus
 Posted: Jan 13, 2020 11:50
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In Catalog, axaday writes:
  In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  
 
Part No: 3004pb192  Name: Brick 1 x 2 with Black, Green, and Lime Splotches and Triangle Pointing Right Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70839
* 
3004pb192 Brick 1 x 2 with Black, Green, and Lime Splotches and Triangle Pointing Right Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70839
Parts: Brick, Decorated
 
Part No: 3004pb193  Name: Brick 1 x 2 with Black, Green, and Lime Splotches and Triangle Pointing Left Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70839
* 
3004pb193 Brick 1 x 2 with Black, Green, and Lime Splotches and Triangle Pointing Left Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70839
Parts: Brick, Decorated

These are added by me, I've named them so I have to say as non native english
speaker I have no idea how to describe them properly in english. This is the
barrier I cannot pass.

They both have almost identical pattern just those geometrical spots are just
in other places on both parts but are the same in shapes.

Is it actually the same sticker upside-down?

Yes exactly as it is visible on sticker sheet
 
Part No: 70839stk01  Name: Sticker Sheet for Set 70839 - (58396/6270356)
* 
70839stk01 Sticker Sheet for Set 70839 - (58396/6270356)
Parts: Sticker Sheet
but instruction shows them to be applied like this so they need to be two parts.
https://www.lego.com/biassets/bi/6282600.pdf
page 122
 
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Jan 13, 2020 11:49
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In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
  These are added by me, I've named them so I have to say as non native english
speaker I have no idea how to describe them properly in english. This is the
barrier I cannot pass.

They both have almost identical pattern just those geometrical spots are just
in other places on both parts but are the same in shapes.

Sorry, Marek, I wasn't picking on you or anyone else and I hope I didn't
make it appear that way. I understand language barriers.

The problem with pattern 1/pattern 2 parts is that it's difficult to even
locate them by searching. One has to scan through entire parts categories to
even find pattern 1/pattern 2 titles.

Perhaps this could be made into a community project of locating and retitling
these kinds of parts with slightly more descriptive titles.
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
 Posted: Jan 13, 2020 11:45
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In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  
 
Part No: 3004pb192  Name: Brick 1 x 2 with Black, Green, and Lime Splotches and Triangle Pointing Right Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70839
* 
3004pb192 Brick 1 x 2 with Black, Green, and Lime Splotches and Triangle Pointing Right Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70839
Parts: Brick, Decorated
 
Part No: 3004pb193  Name: Brick 1 x 2 with Black, Green, and Lime Splotches and Triangle Pointing Left Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70839
* 
3004pb193 Brick 1 x 2 with Black, Green, and Lime Splotches and Triangle Pointing Left Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70839
Parts: Brick, Decorated

These are added by me, I've named them so I have to say as non native english
speaker I have no idea how to describe them properly in english. This is the
barrier I cannot pass.

They both have almost identical pattern just those geometrical spots are just
in other places on both parts but are the same in shapes.

Is it actually the same sticker upside-down?
 Author: Hygrotus View Messages Posted By Hygrotus
 Posted: Jan 13, 2020 11:42
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  
 
Part No: 3004pb192  Name: Brick 1 x 2 with Black, Green, and Lime Splotches and Triangle Pointing Right Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70839
* 
3004pb192 Brick 1 x 2 with Black, Green, and Lime Splotches and Triangle Pointing Right Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70839
Parts: Brick, Decorated
 
Part No: 3004pb193  Name: Brick 1 x 2 with Black, Green, and Lime Splotches and Triangle Pointing Left Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70839
* 
3004pb193 Brick 1 x 2 with Black, Green, and Lime Splotches and Triangle Pointing Left Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70839
Parts: Brick, Decorated

These are added by me, I've named them so I have to say as non native english
speaker I have no idea how to describe them properly in english. This is the
barrier I cannot pass.

They both have almost identical pattern just those geometrical spots are just
in other places on both parts but are the same in shapes.
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Jan 13, 2020 11:34
 Subject: Pattern 1. Pattern 2.
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There seems to be an increasing trend of identifying patterned parts by simply
calling them Pattern 1 and Pattern 2. Here are three random examples of recent
parts, but I could go on for a while.

 
Part No: 60483pb003  Name: Technic, Liftarm Thick 1 x 2 - Axle Hole with Warning Sign 1 Pattern (Sticker) - Set 42054
* 
60483pb003 Technic, Liftarm Thick 1 x 2 - Axle Hole with Warning Sign 1 Pattern (Sticker) - Set 42054
Parts: Technic, Liftarm, Decorated
 
Part No: 60483pb004  Name: Technic, Liftarm Thick 1 x 2 - Axle Hole with Warning Sign 2 Pattern (Sticker) - Set 42054
* 
60483pb004 Technic, Liftarm Thick 1 x 2 - Axle Hole with Warning Sign 2 Pattern (Sticker) - Set 42054
Parts: Technic, Liftarm, Decorated

 
Part No: 3004pb192  Name: Brick 1 x 2 with Black, Green, and Lime Splotches and Triangle Pointing Right Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70839
* 
3004pb192 Brick 1 x 2 with Black, Green, and Lime Splotches and Triangle Pointing Right Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70839
Parts: Brick, Decorated
 
Part No: 3004pb193  Name: Brick 1 x 2 with Black, Green, and Lime Splotches and Triangle Pointing Left Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70839
* 
3004pb193 Brick 1 x 2 with Black, Green, and Lime Splotches and Triangle Pointing Left Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70839
Parts: Brick, Decorated

 
Part No: 11203pb048  Name: Tile, Modified 2 x 2 Inverted with Black and White Machine Pattern 1 (Sticker) - Set 10266
* 
11203pb048 Tile, Modified 2 x 2 Inverted with Black and White Machine Pattern 1 (Sticker) - Set 10266
Parts: Tile, Modified, Decorated
 
Part No: 11203pb049  Name: Tile, Modified 2 x 2 Inverted with Black and White Machine Pattern 2 (Sticker) - Set 10266
* 
11203pb049 Tile, Modified 2 x 2 Inverted with Black and White Machine Pattern 2 (Sticker) - Set 10266
Parts: Tile, Modified, Decorated

I would caution against this practice of non-descriptively titling items. In
fact, I was hoping the site would move away from things like this, not more toward.

Although I suppose we could greatly simplify all titles by simply going the Mini
Upper Part "No. 1470"
route that TLG uses.
 Author: go4bob View Messages Posted By go4bob
 Posted: Jan 13, 2020 06:23
 Subject: Inventory Change Request for Set 3186-1
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 3186  Name: Emma's  Horse Trailer
* 
3186-1 (Inv) Emma's Horse Trailer
214 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 2012
Sets: Friends

* Add 1 Part 3024 Trans-Red Plate 1 x 1 (Extra)
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
 Posted: Jan 12, 2020 23:29
 Subject: Re: Set 75248 Inventory Awareness
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In Inventories, popsicle writes:
  It would've been nice if you and axaday had joined in. Talk about a dream
team of catalog people!

This thread confused me and I couldn't think of any way that I could contribute.
I could do inventories the way 62 wants if those were the rules. But like Randy
said, they just aren't the rules. I try to do all of my catalog work in
the way I believe it will be quickly and easily approved.

I understand the place 62 is in. I usually read what he has to say about things.
When I disagree with the admins, I usually do it in private messages. Sometimes
they explain to me what I didn't understand and other times they just explain
that they disagree with me and they get to decide. They sacrifice a lot of time
for the authority they have and that's just the way it is.
 Author: popsicle View Messages Posted By popsicle
 Posted: Jan 12, 2020 22:44
 Subject: Re: Set 75248 Inventory Awareness
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In Inventories, randyf writes:
  In Inventories, popsicle writes:
  In Inventories, foxweasle writes:
  I thought I would post this Discussion to bring to the members awareness of a
possible misinterpretation of the Inventory list of Set 75248 Star Wars Resistance
A-Wing Starfighter. The inventory is listed correct as I see it. I just opened
a sealed complete set and confirmed the Inventory. The only Item in Question
is Part 15303 Trans-Red Bar 8L with round End (Spring Shooter Dart). In the Instructions
it does show 3 Items are used but only 2 are actually used in the set. At first
I would think the 3rd piece would be considered an extra part, but since all
three are listed in step 101 the last Instruction step. The Inventory should
remain unchanged.

Some of the best reads on the subject of BL’s catalog, are between the members
in this thread:

StormChaser
62Bricks
Hygrotus
jennnifer

When they come together in debate, it’s gold!

TLG, if you’re reading this, covet these individual’s collective knowledge and
passion for the site. Two of which have abdicated their admin positions in said
passion.

I would join the discussion, but I have laid out my thoughts, ideas, opinions,
and general method of approach to our catalog and inventory strategies many times
to Don, and he continues to belittle the admins (who aren't paid and give
exceptionally of ourselves to this site) and rant that his opinion is the only
one that matters. Those are truly the personality hallmarks of trying to affect
change! I understand what he wants, but the admins just settled on a different
means to getting there and I don't believe any of us are going to apologize
for our joint decisions. The decisions require site development, and I am more
hopeful than ever that we can get there once LEGO looks to start developing the
site. Until then, he can rant until he is blue in the face or starts his own
marketplace.

Cheers,
Randy

Like I said, passion

Passion is a feeling of intense enthusiasm towards or compelling desire for
someone or something. Passion can range from eager interest in or admiration
for an idea, proposal, or cause; to enthusiastic enjoyment of an interest or
activity...


and frankly it's what make the discussion between you all worth reading.
It would've been nice if you and axaday had joined in. Talk about a dream
team of catalog people!
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
 Posted: Jan 12, 2020 21:47
 Subject: Re: Set 75248 Inventory Awareness
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In Inventories, randyf writes:
  In fact, the OP says the inventory should
remain unchanged. What exactly is the issue here?

That confused me as well. I know a few other inventories that are also fine
how they are.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Jan 12, 2020 20:45
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In Inventories, randyf writes:
  In Inventories, 62Bricks writes:

  As the admin who personally undid fifteen years worth of past practice on dozens
of former extra part entries, Randy, your input would be most welcome.

Please list these "dozens" of former extra part entries for me.

And because it might be hard for you to come up with this, I have gone through
all my work since becoming an admin, and these are the entries where I focused
my work that had an effect on extra parts:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[p=4073c01]
on the guidance of Russell (the BrickLink employee who was in charge of the volunteer
admins) to start work he had not got around to. This entry is very far along
in getting corrected in the inventories thanks to many awesome contributors (you
know who you are).

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[p=28628c01pb01]
[p=28628c01pb02]
[p=28628c01pb03]
[p=4502c01]
[p=4502w]
and
[p=6029c01]
because they were the last sprue entries out of 29 in the catalog that did not
follow the conventions that were already in place for the rest of them. With
this work, all sprue entries became consistently handled across the catalog and
inventories. The official guidelines were being codified and put in place at
the same time that this work was being handled.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So, seven entries. Definitely not dozens. And out of all of this work, I have
received a total of one complaint. Care to guess who it comes from?

I respect your opinion and I understand it, but I do not want to see the site
go backwards from where it has gotten to with a lot of work from a lot of different
people. You just do not have a forward-thinking approach of the problems with
the current system. I want to see the site keep moving forward, and sometimes
that requires some shakeups and some perseverance. I truly hope LEGO will listen
to where we want to take the inventories system, because it will truly allow
individuals to use the inventories how they want to.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Jan 12, 2020 18:26
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In Inventories, 62Bricks writes:

  As the admin who personally undid fifteen years worth of past practice on dozens
of former extra part entries, Randy, your input would be most welcome.

Please list these "dozens" of former extra part entries for me.

  Don't explain it to me - explain it to the OP, who is one of many users here
who is still relying on those years of past practice in determining the difference
between a regular and an extra part. Whatever explaining you may have done to
me, the message apparently has not reached the whole community.

The parts the OP is talking about were never handled differently ever, so I don't
know what there is to explain about it. In fact, the OP says the inventory should
remain unchanged. What exactly is the issue here?
 Author: 62Bricks View Messages Posted By 62Bricks
 Posted: Jan 12, 2020 18:13
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In Inventories, randyf writes:
  In Inventories, popsicle writes:
  In Inventories, foxweasle writes:
  I thought I would post this Discussion to bring to the members awareness of a
possible misinterpretation of the Inventory list of Set 75248 Star Wars Resistance
A-Wing Starfighter. The inventory is listed correct as I see it. I just opened
a sealed complete set and confirmed the Inventory. The only Item in Question
is Part 15303 Trans-Red Bar 8L with round End (Spring Shooter Dart). In the Instructions
it does show 3 Items are used but only 2 are actually used in the set. At first
I would think the 3rd piece would be considered an extra part, but since all
three are listed in step 101 the last Instruction step. The Inventory should
remain unchanged.

Some of the best reads on the subject of BL’s catalog, are between the members
in this thread:

StormChaser
62Bricks
Hygrotus
jennnifer

When they come together in debate, it’s gold!

TLG, if you’re reading this, covet these individual’s collective knowledge and
passion for the site. Two of which have abdicated their admin positions in said
passion.

I would join the discussion, but I have laid out my thoughts, ideas, opinions,
and general method of approach to our catalog and inventory strategies many times
to Don, and he continues to belittle the admins (who aren't paid and give
exceptionally of ourselves to this site) and rant that his opinion is the only
one that matters. Those are truly the personality hallmarks of trying to affect
change! I understand what he wants, but the admins just settled on a different
means to getting there and I don't believe any of us are going to apologize
for our joint decisions. The decisions require site development, and I am more
hopeful than ever that we can get there once LEGO looks to start developing the
site. Until then, he can rant until he is blue in the face or starts his own
marketplace.

Cheers,
Randy

As the admin who personally undid fifteen years worth of past practice on dozens
of former extra part entries, Randy, your input would be most welcome.

Don't explain it to me - explain it to the OP, who is one of many users here
who is still relying on those years of past practice in determining the difference
between a regular and an extra part. Whatever explaining you may have done to
me, the message apparently has not reached the whole community.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Jan 12, 2020 17:35
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In Inventories, popsicle writes:
  In Inventories, foxweasle writes:
  I thought I would post this Discussion to bring to the members awareness of a
possible misinterpretation of the Inventory list of Set 75248 Star Wars Resistance
A-Wing Starfighter. The inventory is listed correct as I see it. I just opened
a sealed complete set and confirmed the Inventory. The only Item in Question
is Part 15303 Trans-Red Bar 8L with round End (Spring Shooter Dart). In the Instructions
it does show 3 Items are used but only 2 are actually used in the set. At first
I would think the 3rd piece would be considered an extra part, but since all
three are listed in step 101 the last Instruction step. The Inventory should
remain unchanged.

Some of the best reads on the subject of BL’s catalog, are between the members
in this thread:

StormChaser
62Bricks
Hygrotus
jennnifer

When they come together in debate, it’s gold!

TLG, if you’re reading this, covet these individual’s collective knowledge and
passion for the site. Two of which have abdicated their admin positions in said
passion.

I would join the discussion, but I have laid out my thoughts, ideas, opinions,
and general method of approach to our catalog and inventory strategies many times
to Don, and he continues to belittle the admins (who aren't paid and give
exceptionally of ourselves to this site) and rant that his opinion is the only
one that matters. Those are truly the personality hallmarks of trying to affect
change! I understand what he wants, but the admins just settled on a different
means to getting there and I don't believe any of us are going to apologize
for our joint decisions. The decisions require site development, and I am more
hopeful than ever that we can get there once LEGO looks to start developing the
site. Until then, he can rant until he is blue in the face or starts his own
marketplace.

Cheers,
Randy
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
 Posted: Jan 12, 2020 17:12
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In Catalog, dcarmine writes:
  Inconsistency is a pet peeve of my, so you know it's my last nerve on this
issue.

I haven't parted out much lately, but I got an opportunity to part out 3
of the 2019 Star Wars Advent Calendars

 
Set No: 75245  Name: Advent Calendar 2019, Star Wars
* 
75245-1 (Inv) Advent Calendar 2019, Star Wars
24 Sets, 2019
Sets: Holiday & Event: Advent: Star Wars

For the last 9 years TLC has included a Winter-ized SW figure in the 24th position
on the calendar. I saw that this last year was a Porg Santa. I didn't look
at the BL inventory to see how the subsets were being handled before I started.
I wanted to preserve the Porg Santa as a complete fig and part out all the other
"parts only" droids.

After finishing the sorting, I went to upload the part-out to BL. And that's
when I found it....Porg Santa was a part out...grrr. But the Gonk and Mouse
droids were left to sell whole...grrrr.

Who decides this stuff? How hard is it to be more consistent? I know there
is a lot of discussion about "What SW Droids are figures" and what are not.
But geesse, SMH.

Just my two cents.
Thanks for reading, no changes are expected.

Donna

I'm replying since there is a silent finger pointing me

I didn't decide. When I am doing an inventory and there is a controversial
issue, I ask ahead. Because I don't want to take and edit a picture and
then be asked to redo it. A Catalog Admin with a particular interest in Star
Wars guided me. But the rationale isn't really hard to follow. The mouse
droid and GONK droid in the 2019 calendar are very far from the first Mouse and
Gonk and all the others are minifigs. So they are handled like other minifigs.
But the porg and the mynock are not the first porg and mynock either. They
were both in
 
Set No: 75192  Name: Millennium Falcon - UCS {2nd edition}
* 
75192-1 (Inv) Millennium Falcon - UCS {2nd edition}
7513 Parts, 8 Minifigures, 2017
Sets: Star Wars: Ultimate Collector Series: Star Wars Other
where they are also listed as pieces and then counter
parted as complete assemblies. Just like the brick built animals in
 
Set No: 75952  Name: Newt's Case of Magical Creatures
* 
75952-1 (Inv) Newt's Case of Magical Creatures
678 Parts, 4 Minifigures, 2018
Sets: Harry Potter: Fantastic Beasts
and the dragon in
 
Set No: 6007  Name: Bat Lord
* 
6007-1 (Inv) Bat Lord
11 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1997
Sets: Castle: Fright Knights
. As far as I know, dinosaurs are the only ones
that appear assembled in the main part of inventories. I don't know why
that is, but I think the answer to your question is just why isn't a porg
a minifig, right? I would have been glad to make it one, but the reason that
it isn't is because it is an animal.
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Jan 12, 2020 15:27
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 60153-1
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In Inventories Requests, Odur writes:
  * Delete 1 Part (Extra)
* Delete 1 Part (Extra)

Comments from Submitter:
Inventory from a new sealed set

Have you checked all new sealed sets to verify that these extra parts never came
in any of them?
 Author: dcarmine View Messages Posted By dcarmine
 Posted: Jan 12, 2020 15:25
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Inconsistency is a pet peeve of my, so you know it's my last nerve on this
issue.

I haven't parted out much lately, but I got an opportunity to part out 3
of the 2019 Star Wars Advent Calendars

 
Set No: 75245  Name: Advent Calendar 2019, Star Wars
* 
75245-1 (Inv) Advent Calendar 2019, Star Wars
24 Sets, 2019
Sets: Holiday & Event: Advent: Star Wars

For the last 9 years TLC has included a Winter-ized SW figure in the 24th position
on the calendar. I saw that this last year was a Porg Santa. I didn't look
at the BL inventory to see how the subsets were being handled before I started.
I wanted to preserve the Porg Santa as a complete fig and part out all the other
"parts only" droids.

After finishing the sorting, I went to upload the part-out to BL. And that's
when I found it....Porg Santa was a part out...grrr. But the Gonk and Mouse
droids were left to sell whole...grrrr.

Who decides this stuff? How hard is it to be more consistent? I know there
is a lot of discussion about "What SW Droids are figures" and what are not.
But geesse, SMH.

Just my two cents.
Thanks for reading, no changes are expected.

Donna
 Author: Odur View Messages Posted By Odur
 Posted: Jan 12, 2020 14:36
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 60153  Name: People pack - Fun at the beach
* 
60153-1 (Inv) People pack - Fun at the beach
104 Parts, 15 Minifigures, 2017
Sets: Town: City: Recreation

* Delete 1 Part 2599a Lime Minifigure, Footgear Flipper (Extra)
* Delete 1 Part 32918 Trans-Clear Plastic Triangle 6 x 12 Sail with Dark Blue Wave in Circle and Dark Azure, Dark Blue and Green Markings Pattern (Extra)

Comments from Submitter:
Inventory from a new sealed set
 Author: 62Bricks View Messages Posted By 62Bricks
 Posted: Jan 12, 2020 14:00
 Subject: Re: Set 75248 Inventory Awareness
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In Inventories, jennnifer writes:
  In Inventories, 62Bricks writes:
  Bricklink set inventories are not based on the building instructions at all.

The printed parts list is the only thing that matters. It is a widespread misunderstanding
that the regular section of the inventory lists the parts needed to complete
the set according to the instructions.

Wow, this is a pretty bold incorrect assertion. I was an inventory admin for
three years. The building instructions are the ultimate source for accurate inventories.
Not every set follows every rule, but that is where everything starts.

Jen

This does not fit with the current policy that it is the box contents, not the
building instructions, that are the basis of the inventories.

And if a part is present in the parts list but not in the building instructions,
it will be included in the regular items. In other words, the parts list overrules
the building instructions. So do other policies, like the one covering parts
on sprues.

I believe you that the former actual practice was to base the regular parts section
on the building instructions. You can see evidence of this in the change logs
of some parts that have been moved from regular to extra (like the small plumes).
That appears not to have been in compliance with the policy as it is now being
enforced, so despite it having been the actual practice, and despite the fact
that many longtime Bricklinkers still believe it to be the practice, it is not
the case, and those parts have been put back in the regular section. For many
of these sets, there is now no information on Bricklink indicating what parts
are included in the building instructions.
 Author: popsicle View Messages Posted By popsicle
 Posted: Jan 12, 2020 13:57
 Subject: Re: Set 75248 Inventory Awareness
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In Inventories, foxweasle writes:
  I thought I would post this Discussion to bring to the members awareness of a
possible misinterpretation of the Inventory list of Set 75248 Star Wars Resistance
A-Wing Starfighter. The inventory is listed correct as I see it. I just opened
a sealed complete set and confirmed the Inventory. The only Item in Question
is Part 15303 Trans-Red Bar 8L with round End (Spring Shooter Dart). In the Instructions
it does show 3 Items are used but only 2 are actually used in the set. At first
I would think the 3rd piece would be considered an extra part, but since all
three are listed in step 101 the last Instruction step. The Inventory should
remain unchanged.

Some of the best reads on the subject of BL’s catalog, are between the members
in this thread:

StormChaser
62Bricks
Hygrotus
jennnifer

When they come together in debate, it’s gold!

TLG, if you’re reading this, covet these individual’s collective knowledge and
passion for the site. Two of which have abdicated their admin positions in said
passion.
 Author: jennnifer View Messages Posted By jennnifer
 Posted: Jan 12, 2020 13:31
 Subject: Re: Set 75248 Inventory Awareness
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In Inventories, 62Bricks writes:
  Bricklink set inventories are not based on the building instructions at all.

The printed parts list is the only thing that matters. It is a widespread misunderstanding
that the regular section of the inventory lists the parts needed to complete
the set according to the instructions.

Wow, this is a pretty bold incorrect assertion. I was an inventory admin for
three years. The building instructions are the ultimate source for accurate inventories.
Not every set follows every rule, but that is where everything starts.

Jen
 Author: 62Bricks View Messages Posted By 62Bricks
 Posted: Jan 12, 2020 13:16
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In Inventories, StormChaser writes:
  In Inventories, 62Bricks writes:
  The parts list determines whether a part is extra or not, and not the building instructions.

In this recent set, yes:
 
Set No: 40433  Name: 1989 Batmobile - Limited Edition
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40433-1 (Inv) 1989 Batmobile - Limited Edition
366 Parts, 2019
Sets: Super Heroes: Tim Burton's Batman

In this recent set, no:
 
Set No: 41381  Name: Rescue Mission Boat
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41381-1 (Inv) Rescue Mission Boat
877 Parts, 4 Minifigures, 2019
Sets: Friends

So there is an inconsistent approach.

Nevertheless, we need the ability to display and use inventories in different
ways based on the needs of the person viewing that inventory. You don't
think so, because you want inventories to be structured in the specific way that
you feel is best for users of the site.

Why not just agree with me that inventories can do more than the system currently
allows and join me in the push for customizable inventories?

This feels like a false choice. Of course we would all like to see greater convenience
and functionality, but that does not mean we should allow information and functionality
to be removed now in the hope that someday we'll have a system
that lets us put it back. How about we use the existing functionality,
which will support all the information people want, including the full box contents
as they were packaged as well as the parts that form a "complete" set, and then
when (if) those extra features come along we can talk about how to use them?

Because we have put the cart firmly before the horse, here. There are thousands
of complete set listings right now that do not include all the parts Bricklink
says they should - some of them quite expensive parts. This is not due to any
error or wrongdoing by the sellers. It is purely the result of inventory changes
that have been made to accord with bad policies. I don't hear anybody really
defending that. I'm not surprised, as it seems indefensible.
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Jan 12, 2020 12:57
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In Inventories, 62Bricks writes:
  The parts list determines whether a part is extra or not, and not the building instructions.

In this recent set, yes:
 
Set No: 40433  Name: 1989 Batmobile - Limited Edition
* 
40433-1 (Inv) 1989 Batmobile - Limited Edition
366 Parts, 2019
Sets: Super Heroes: Tim Burton's Batman

In this recent set, no:
 
Set No: 41381  Name: Rescue Mission Boat
* 
41381-1 (Inv) Rescue Mission Boat
877 Parts, 4 Minifigures, 2019
Sets: Friends

So there is an inconsistent approach.

Nevertheless, we need the ability to display and use inventories in different
ways based on the needs of the person viewing that inventory. You don't
think so, because you want inventories to be structured in the specific way that
you feel is best for users of the site.

Why not just agree with me that inventories can do more than the system currently
allows and join me in the push for customizable inventories?
 Author: 62Bricks View Messages Posted By 62Bricks
 Posted: Jan 12, 2020 12:10
 Subject: Re: Set 75248 Inventory Awareness
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In Inventories, Hygrotus writes:
  In Inventories, 62Bricks writes:
  Nobody disputes that if three darts came in the
box, three darts should appear somewhere on the inventory page for the set. However
as is demonstrated by the existence of this thread, there are many people who
have come to understand that the regular section represents only the parts included
in the building instructions. For purposes of classifying parts within the inventory,

For the record about this set. Instruction clearly shows three darts being used
in build process (step 101, so this is not an extra part)

Yes, the OP is correct, but for the wrong reason. The inventory would still be
"correct" even if the instructions only showed the two darts that can be held
by the model, because there are three darts in the parts list. The parts list
determines whether a part is extra or not, and not the building instructions.

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