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 Author: bb75359 View Messages Posted By bb75359
 Posted: Jan 7, 2020 09:41
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Would it be possible to add another payment method.
Afterpay
Zip Pay
or at least have a blank one so that we can input our own custom method.
 Author: mfav View Messages Posted By mfav
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http://v4ei.com/mini-fig-ure-outer/comics/index.php
 Author: 62Bricks View Messages Posted By 62Bricks
 Posted: Jan 7, 2020 07:53
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In Catalog Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog Requests, 62Bricks writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog Requests, mfav writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
  Why shouldn't rust be considered a verified color for this part?

I know it's daft of me to think this, but can't you just call up the
mothership and get an answer? Then definitively tell us what it is? I mean instead
of questioning us. Like we know.

You know. As in sincerely, can't you do that?

Regarding this color Rust, BrickLink's definition (and usage) don't line
up with the internal official palette, as you can see here:

http://ryanhowerter.net/colors.html

BrickLink sellers tend to list colors exactly as they see them, not what the
catalog says they are supposed to be. That is why there are 86 lots listed under
Rust, yet no inventory lists Rust as a "known" color. And the image "verifies"
the existence of this part in Rust - that's why I am hesitant to remove it.

As far as access to the "mothership" goes, it's still very early in the transition.
Yes, I could contact someone who could put me in touch with someone else who
has access to internal color info. But right now there are other much more important
issues to deal with, so I will be reserving my lifelines for those.

"Rust" is just red in certain non-ABS parts. If it is considered a legitimate
color, then we should also have the "medium old gray" of certain old 1x1 clips
and airtanks and maybe "translucent light yellow" for old minifig hands and airtanks.

According to Ryan's sheet, 216 Rust is an official LEGO color. And 13 Red
Orange falls into that category too:
 
Part No: 4010pb01  Name: Duplo Cow Adult with Black and White Eyes Pattern
* 
4010pb01 Duplo Cow Adult with Black and White Eyes Pattern
Parts: DUPLO, Animal {Rust}

Ryan's sheet also points out that there is a "rust" that is "Really 21 Bright
Red in softer plastics."

That is the case with the boat mast in question here. I don't think it is
a deliberate color by Lego in this part. It is considered red by Lego, but appears
dull because of the material. If we are going to use our own color definitions,
which I have no problem with, then we should allow them in similar situations
like I mention where the appearance does not match the official Lego color because
of the part material. .
 Author: Brickwilbo View Messages Posted By Brickwilbo
 Posted: Jan 7, 2020 06:30
 Subject: Re: Ability to search through order history
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In Suggestions, badlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Brick.Door writes:
  In Suggestions, badlego writes:
  to enable me to see what I've already purchased, it would be good to search
my completed orders.

It already exists.
On your orders placed page, click on "Find Orders"

thank you. I was hoping to search through my entire order history but this is
a good start. I have tried searching for a recent item by minifigure reference
number.

Maybe it's possible to download old data, the same as with old purged received
orders.
 Author: Stellar View Messages Posted By Stellar
 Posted: Jan 7, 2020 04:17
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In Catalog Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
  For part
 
Part No: 476  Name: Bar  12L with Open Stud, Tow Ball, and Slit (Boat Mast)
* 
476 Bar 12L with Open Stud, Tow Ball, and Slit (Boat Mast)
Parts: Bar
the image for Rust color should be removed. This part doesn't
exist in this color (but may appear rust colored as written in the note).

/Jan

I'm not sure I follow this. This part does appear in a rust variant - we
have one here in the office. It's not exactly like other rust colors, but
it's not red either.

Why shouldn't rust be considered a verified color for this part?

If you have one there, could you make a better picture and upload to the catalogue?
The current one is small and blur...
 Author: badlego View Messages Posted By badlego
 Posted: Jan 7, 2020 03:25
 Subject: Re: Ability to search through order history
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In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, Brick.Door writes:
  In Suggestions, badlego writes:
  to enable me to see what I've already purchased, it would be good to search
my completed orders.

It already exists.
On your orders placed page, click on "Find Orders"

Although that only works for orders that have not been purged - so six months.
An alternative is to search through emails for past orders, although part numbers
are missing in favour of names.


thank you, I had hoped to see historic orders too as I've been buying for
years and want to avoid buying duplicate figures without searching through my
collection. maybe I need an inventory of items I own.
 Author: badlego View Messages Posted By badlego
 Posted: Jan 7, 2020 03:23
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In Suggestions, Brick.Door writes:
  In Suggestions, badlego writes:
  to enable me to see what I've already purchased, it would be good to search
my completed orders.

It already exists.
On your orders placed page, click on "Find Orders"

thank you. I was hoping to search through my entire order history but this is
a good start. I have tried searching for a recent item by minifigure reference
number.
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Jan 6, 2020 22:02
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In Catalog Requests, 62Bricks writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog Requests, mfav writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
  Why shouldn't rust be considered a verified color for this part?

I know it's daft of me to think this, but can't you just call up the
mothership and get an answer? Then definitively tell us what it is? I mean instead
of questioning us. Like we know.

You know. As in sincerely, can't you do that?

Regarding this color Rust, BrickLink's definition (and usage) don't line
up with the internal official palette, as you can see here:

http://ryanhowerter.net/colors.html

BrickLink sellers tend to list colors exactly as they see them, not what the
catalog says they are supposed to be. That is why there are 86 lots listed under
Rust, yet no inventory lists Rust as a "known" color. And the image "verifies"
the existence of this part in Rust - that's why I am hesitant to remove it.

As far as access to the "mothership" goes, it's still very early in the transition.
Yes, I could contact someone who could put me in touch with someone else who
has access to internal color info. But right now there are other much more important
issues to deal with, so I will be reserving my lifelines for those.

"Rust" is just red in certain non-ABS parts. If it is considered a legitimate
color, then we should also have the "medium old gray" of certain old 1x1 clips
and airtanks and maybe "translucent light yellow" for old minifig hands and airtanks.

According to Ryan's sheet, 216 Rust is an official LEGO color. And 13 Red
Orange falls into that category too:
 
Part No: 4010pb01  Name: Duplo Cow Adult with Black and White Eyes Pattern
* 
4010pb01 Duplo Cow Adult with Black and White Eyes Pattern
Parts: DUPLO, Animal {Rust}
 Author: 62Bricks View Messages Posted By 62Bricks
 Posted: Jan 6, 2020 21:10
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In Catalog Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog Requests, mfav writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
  Why shouldn't rust be considered a verified color for this part?

I know it's daft of me to think this, but can't you just call up the
mothership and get an answer? Then definitively tell us what it is? I mean instead
of questioning us. Like we know.

You know. As in sincerely, can't you do that?

Regarding this color Rust, BrickLink's definition (and usage) don't line
up with the internal official palette, as you can see here:

http://ryanhowerter.net/colors.html

BrickLink sellers tend to list colors exactly as they see them, not what the
catalog says they are supposed to be. That is why there are 86 lots listed under
Rust, yet no inventory lists Rust as a "known" color. And the image "verifies"
the existence of this part in Rust - that's why I am hesitant to remove it.

As far as access to the "mothership" goes, it's still very early in the transition.
Yes, I could contact someone who could put me in touch with someone else who
has access to internal color info. But right now there are other much more important
issues to deal with, so I will be reserving my lifelines for those.

"Rust" is just red in certain non-ABS parts. If it is considered a legitimate
color, then we should also have the "medium old gray" of certain old 1x1 clips
and airtanks and maybe "translucent light yellow" for old minifig hands and airtanks.
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Jan 6, 2020 20:52
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In Catalog Requests, mfav writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
  Why shouldn't rust be considered a verified color for this part?

I know it's daft of me to think this, but can't you just call up the
mothership and get an answer? Then definitively tell us what it is? I mean instead
of questioning us. Like we know.

You know. As in sincerely, can't you do that?

Regarding this color Rust, BrickLink's definition (and usage) don't line
up with the internal official palette, as you can see here:

http://ryanhowerter.net/colors.html

BrickLink sellers tend to list colors exactly as they see them, not what the
catalog says they are supposed to be. That is why there are 86 lots listed under
Rust, yet no inventory lists Rust as a "known" color. And the image "verifies"
the existence of this part in Rust - that's why I am hesitant to remove it.

As far as access to the "mothership" goes, it's still very early in the transition.
Yes, I could contact someone who could put me in touch with someone else who
has access to internal color info. But right now there are other much more important
issues to deal with, so I will be reserving my lifelines for those.
 Author: mfav View Messages Posted By mfav
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In Catalog Requests, Admin_Russell writes:
  Why shouldn't rust be considered a verified color for this part?

I know it's daft of me to think this, but can't you just call up the
mothership and get an answer? Then definitively tell us what it is? I mean instead
of questioning us. Like we know.

You know. As in sincerely, can't you do that?
 Author: Give.Me.A.Brick View Messages Posted By Give.Me.A.Brick
 Posted: Jan 6, 2020 19:51
 Subject: Re: Instructions Dimensions -- way off?
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In Catalog, bje writes:
  In Catalog, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
  On My Inventory the dimensions for set
 
Set No: 7965  Name: Millennium Falcon
* 
7965-1 (Inv) Millennium Falcon
1229 Parts, 6 Minifigures, 2011
Sets: Star Wars: Star Wars Episode 4/5/6
are 582mm x 378mm. Which is
the size of the Box itself (!)

How were these dimensions populated and what can I do to remove them altogether
(not just one by one)?

(Or better yet to mass-set the dimensions correctly.)

Thanhk you again.

LOL me again, and thank you for alerting me to this as well as I went back and
checked mine saw some of them had a base thickness of 1cm - this is wrong. Research
cap on and lo behold - I think there are still a few of these floating about:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1063022

So that gets to the how it is populated. How to mass change it is another matter
altogether. Would you just want to change the thickness or do you want actual
dimensions? For actual dimensions you are going to have to measure each and every
one which still has the z dimension set to 10mm or 0mm. There is no way to simply
check this you have to check your entire inventory manually as there is no tool
to search the packing dimensions of items in your inventory. I'm not quite
sure if you can mass change the dimensions for your inventory - are they not
all different? Setting them all to manual for the time being, would be the same
method as in that other thread, except now you go M for Manual.

To mass change the dimensions:
For an item which you want to change the dimensions to say dim X, dim Y, dim
Z to 180 x 38 x 28 mm
Use the find and replace method in this message:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1166531
You make the file as you would upload it and add the lines as follows: (put angle
brackets where I have now got square brackets)

[INVDIMX]180[/INVDIMX]
[INVDIMY]38[/INVDIMY]
[INVDIMZ]28[/INVDIMZ]

As I noted - you anyway have to punch in values for each one. It might be easier
to set them all to manual, have some unfortunae soul sit with a caliper for a
day and ask for mass update on this topic:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1059042
then reset your invetory again. It normally takes about a day for these to be
fixed, but since Russell is the only doing all of this now, I would suggest giving
a bit of extra time.

I'm also going to apologise here, I've never thought of checking those
dmension when I submit items for the catalogue. My bad. I will make a big fat
note to fix this oversight on my part, thank you again for pointing me in the
right direction.

HTH

Wonderful, Jean!

Between BrickStock and Notepad, it worked.

I changed every Instructions to Weight Bound and the Dimensions to 300x200x10mm
(A4 size). It works here because as long as it is under the 90cm linear measure,
only the weight counts for shipping rates.

(Will have to adjust the bigger ones A3 size manually, but they're only a
few.)

Thank you again for your detailed explanation!

I will be uploading many Instructions this year, hopefully I can enter the correct
dimensions to the Catalog whenever Catalog Changes are working again.
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
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In Catalog Requests, normann1974 writes:
  For part
 
Part No: 476  Name: Bar  12L with Open Stud, Tow Ball, and Slit (Boat Mast)
* 
476 Bar 12L with Open Stud, Tow Ball, and Slit (Boat Mast)
Parts: Bar
the image for Rust color should be removed. This part doesn't
exist in this color (but may appear rust colored as written in the note).

/Jan

I'm not sure I follow this. This part does appear in a rust variant - we
have one here in the office. It's not exactly like other rust colors, but
it's not red either.

Why shouldn't rust be considered a verified color for this part?
 Author: WoutR View Messages Posted By WoutR
 Posted: Jan 6, 2020 19:14
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In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
  In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
  New color
Glitter Trans-Orange
 
Part No: 65580  Name: Minifigure, Weapon Harpoon Head
* 
65580 Minifigure, Weapon Harpoon Head
Parts: Minifigure, Weapon {Glitter Trans-Orange}

I think these two parts are in new color also
https://brickset.com/sets/containing-part-6290571
https://brickset.com/sets/containing-part-6299252

Thank you!

*makes note to add these to my wanted list*
 Author: normann1974 View Messages Posted By normann1974
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For part
 
Part No: 476  Name: Bar  12L with Open Stud, Tow Ball, and Slit (Boat Mast)
* 
476 Bar 12L with Open Stud, Tow Ball, and Slit (Boat Mast)
Parts: Bar
the image for Rust color should be removed. This part doesn't
exist in this color (but may appear rust colored as written in the note).

/Jan
 Author: infinibrix View Messages Posted By infinibrix
 Posted: Jan 6, 2020 18:25
 Subject: Re: Official Lego Part Codes vs Bricklink Codes?
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In Catalog, Stellar writes:
  In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
  Incidentally since most minifig hair and headgear are listed by Legos Design
I.D I noticed that there are some parts which aren’t listed by this as the primary
reference. For instance hair 6093 is listed as ‘x104’ and you have bandanas listed
as ‘x70’ instead of ‘2543’ I know this reference is still displayed as an alternative
number but it would be nice if all parts were listed as Legos official design
I.D as the primary reference it’s just when I sold some of the bandanas the other
day all I could see when picking my order was reference ‘x70’ which doesn’t mean
much to me compared with Legos Design I.D 2543

Does anyone share a similar view or am I alone here?

I think the same, as I wrote here: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1165039

Yes it would make sense if some of those old numbers were phased out and replaced
with either Legos official Design I.D’s and/or Element I.D’s (I guess easier
said than done for all the parts) but do people still rely on those other BL/Peeron
references? The only reason I might use them is because they are sometimes the
only reference I have to hand whilst I'm using bricklink
 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
 Posted: Jan 6, 2020 16:11
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In Catalog, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
  On My Inventory the dimensions for set
 
Set No: 7965  Name: Millennium Falcon
* 
7965-1 (Inv) Millennium Falcon
1229 Parts, 6 Minifigures, 2011
Sets: Star Wars: Star Wars Episode 4/5/6
are 582mm x 378mm. Which is
the size of the Box itself (!)

How were these dimensions populated and what can I do to remove them altogether
(not just one by one)?

(Or better yet to mass-set the dimensions correctly.)

Thanhk you again.

LOL me again, and thank you for alerting me to this as well as I went back and
checked mine saw some of them had a base thickness of 1cm - this is wrong. Research
cap on and lo behold - I think there are still a few of these floating about:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1063022

So that gets to the how it is populated. How to mass change it is another matter
altogether. Would you just want to change the thickness or do you want actual
dimensions? For actual dimensions you are going to have to measure each and every
one which still has the z dimension set to 10mm or 0mm. There is no way to simply
check this you have to check your entire inventory manually as there is no tool
to search the packing dimensions of items in your inventory. I'm not quite
sure if you can mass change the dimensions for your inventory - are they not
all different? Setting them all to manual for the time being, would be the same
method as in that other thread, except now you go M for Manual.

To mass change the dimensions:
For an item which you want to change the dimensions to say dim X, dim Y, dim
Z to 180 x 38 x 28 mm
Use the find and replace method in this message:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1166531
You make the file as you would upload it and add the lines as follows: (put angle
brackets where I have now got square brackets)

[INVDIMX]180[/INVDIMX]
[INVDIMY]38[/INVDIMY]
[INVDIMZ]28[/INVDIMZ]

As I noted - you anyway have to punch in values for each one. It might be easier
to set them all to manual, have some unfortunae soul sit with a caliper for a
day and ask for mass update on this topic:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1059042
then reset your invetory again. It normally takes about a day for these to be
fixed, but since Russell is the only doing all of this now, I would suggest giving
a bit of extra time.

I'm also going to apologise here, I've never thought of checking those
dmension when I submit items for the catalogue. My bad. I will make a big fat
note to fix this oversight on my part, thank you again for pointing me in the
right direction.

HTH
 Author: mfav View Messages Posted By mfav
 Posted: Jan 6, 2020 15:58
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In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  interesting they are pundits over here.

Yep. Equally despised and, you know, exactly the same people. But new and improved
with a fresh name! To make us think they're not pundits. Or analysts. Or
abjectly stoopid.
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In Problem, mfav writes:
  In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  I'll stick with analyst I cannot, for the life of me, understand why there
is such open hostility towards that.

Pretty much every pro football/TV/media talking head "analyst" in the US is an
example of why there's open hostility towards that term. Less accurate than
weathermen and infinitely more obnoxious.

interesting they are pundits over here.
 Author: calsbricks View Messages Posted By calsbricks
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In Problem, yorbrick writes:
  
  I'll stick with analyst I cannot, for the life of me,understand why there
is such open hostility towards that. it's as if what everyone wants - improvement
is just going to happen. we have had 6 years of very little, if any real improvements
(blamed on spaghetti code) and tangent developments like mosaick and the afol
design program which certainly helped the cash situation for BL but did little
for the stores.



If it was the AFOL design program that got LEGO interested in the purchase of
BL then it might have done a huge amount for the stores here, at least in the
long term if not the short.

somehow I doubt it but the early press we have seen has reflect Ted a keenest
on it and stud.io

how that is going help existing stores is still very much up in the air
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In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  I'll stick with analyst I cannot, for the life of me, understand why there
is such open hostility towards that.

Pretty much every pro football/TV/media talking head "analyst" in the US is an
example of why there's open hostility towards that term. Less accurate than
weathermen and infinitely more obnoxious.
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  I'll stick with analyst I cannot, for the life of me,understand why there
is such open hostility towards that. it's as if what everyone wants - improvement
is just going to happen. we have had 6 years of very little, if any real improvements
(blamed on spaghetti code) and tangent developments like mosaick and the afol
design program which certainly helped the cash situation for BL but did little
for the stores.



If it was the AFOL design program that got LEGO interested in the purchase of
BL then it might have done a huge amount for the stores here, at least in the
long term if not the short.
 Author: Stellar View Messages Posted By Stellar
 Posted: Jan 6, 2020 15:14
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In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
  Incidentally since most minifig hair and headgear are listed by Legos Design
I.D I noticed that there are some parts which aren’t listed by this as the primary
reference. For instance hair 6093 is listed as ‘x104’ and you have bandanas listed
as ‘x70’ instead of ‘2543’ I know this reference is still displayed as an alternative
number but it would be nice if all parts were listed as Legos official design
I.D as the primary reference it’s just when I sold some of the bandanas the other
day all I could see when picking my order was reference ‘x70’ which doesn’t mean
much to me compared with Legos Design I.D 2543

Does anyone share a similar view or am I alone here?

I think the same, as I wrote here: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1165039
 Author: superca View Messages Posted By superca
 Posted: Jan 6, 2020 15:10
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 6444  Name: Outback Airstrip
* 
6444-1 (Inv) Outback Airstrip
148 Parts, 3 Minifigures, 1997
Sets: Town: Outback

* Add 1 Part 3464 Trans-Clear Wheel Center Small with Stub Axles (Pulley Wheel)

Comments from Submitter:
Set 6444 inventory is missing this part. A counterpart in this set 3464c01 has this item as part if it's inventory so 3464 Trans-Clear Wheel Center small with Stub Axles (Pulley Wheel) is required to complete the set.
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
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In Problem, mfav writes:
  Oh, good grief.

Fair enough. You're most likely right.

In an ideal world the catalog would be rebuilt as necessary and the database
would be relational in the ways you've advocated. The catalog and its inventories
would then be managed by people with education in an appropriate field (such
as information science).

And all of this is moot anyway, because none of us have any idea what TLG's
plans for the site are. I rather doubt we'll be consulted about or informed
of any major decisions that are made regarding the site.

Therefore, all of us would be wise to take your advice and not get involved in
these kinds of discussions until we see what is to come.
 Author: calsbricks View Messages Posted By calsbricks
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In Problem, mfav writes:
  In Problem, StormChaser writes:
  It's difficult to offend me, so do not trouble yourself in that regard.

Well, first this: http://v4ei.com/mini-fig-ure-outer/comics/index.php

Second:

Oh, good grief. You can't solve this problem alone, Robert. You can't.
You don't have the requisite tool set.

Bill suggests we get some help from people with the proper tool set to augment
the knowledge you have and you see fit to throw him under the bus.

Tell me the site has worked out all the problems you point out over the past
10 years. Has it? Those problems persist, don't they? Those problems do exist,
continue to not be resolved, and clearly you, we, the community, cannot solve
the problems by ourselves. If they could be resolved by us, then certainly they
would have been over a period of 20 years of community involvement.

Hell, in the thread about what's a tile and what's a plate and so on
you can't come to consensus. So let's have some rules. Because rules
fix everything. F--- all that. Redesign the database properly (this probably
does warrant the involvement of somebody other than you or the community) and
that argument of what something is and what something isn't becomes moot.

Really really wish you'd expend all this good energy you have in investigating
information studies instead of beating the dead horse. Again. Maybe you'd
feel better if Bill stopped using the word "analysts" and started using "information
design specialists".

Anyway, you keep beating your drum, and Bill keep beating his drum, and I'll
keep doing whatever the hell it is that I do.

hi mark

fancy titles like that usually cost more money

I'll stick with analyst I cannot, for the life of me,understand why there
is such open hostility towards that. it's as if what everyone wants - improvement
is just going to happen. we have had 6 years of very little, if any real improvements
(blamed on spaghetti code) and tangent developments like mosaick and the afol
design program which certainly helped the cash situation for BL but did little
for the stores.



I believe it is time to take this seriously now - back to the drawing board -
redesign, program, test, reprogram, test, etc. then document properly then launch.
in the interim period keep the existing site running, fix the bugs and grow the
site via Tlg marketing muscle
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In Suggestions, Brick.Door writes:
  In Suggestions, badlego writes:
  to enable me to see what I've already purchased, it would be good to search
my completed orders.

It already exists.
On your orders placed page, click on "Find Orders"

Although that only works for orders that have not been purged - so six months.
An alternative is to search through emails for past orders, although part numbers
are missing in favour of names.
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On My Inventory the dimensions for set
 
Set No: 7965  Name: Millennium Falcon
* 
7965-1 (Inv) Millennium Falcon
1229 Parts, 6 Minifigures, 2011
Sets: Star Wars: Star Wars Episode 4/5/6
are 582mm x 378mm. Which is
the size of the Box itself (!)

How were these dimensions populated and what can I do to remove them altogether
(not just one by one)?

(Or better yet to mass-set the dimensions correctly.)

Thanhk you again.
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In Problem, StormChaser writes:
  It's difficult to offend me, so do not trouble yourself in that regard.

Well, first this: http://v4ei.com/mini-fig-ure-outer/comics/index.php

Second:

Oh, good grief. You can't solve this problem alone, Robert. You can't.
You don't have the requisite tool set.

Bill suggests we get some help from people with the proper tool set to augment
the knowledge you have and you see fit to throw him under the bus.

Tell me the site has worked out all the problems you point out over the past
10 years. Has it? Those problems persist, don't they? Those problems do exist,
continue to not be resolved, and clearly you, we, the community, cannot solve
the problems by ourselves. If they could be resolved by us, then certainly they
would have been over a period of 20 years of community involvement.

Hell, in the thread about what's a tile and what's a plate and so on
you can't come to consensus. So let's have some rules. Because rules
fix everything. F--- all that. Redesign the database properly (this probably
does warrant the involvement of somebody other than you or the community) and
that argument of what something is and what something isn't becomes moot.

Really really wish you'd expend all this good energy you have in investigating
information studies instead of beating the dead horse. Again. Maybe you'd
feel better if Bill stopped using the word "analysts" and started using "information
design specialists".

Anyway, you keep beating your drum, and Bill keep beating his drum, and I'll
keep doing whatever the hell it is that I do.
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
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In Catalog, infinibrix writes:
  Does anyone share a similar view or am I alone here?

I share a similar view. We need to get rid of those old part numbers carried
over years ago from other sites.
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In Problem, WildBricks writes:
  
  I'm not against volunteerism. I'm against working for free for a for-profit
company on something for which they then claim complete ownership.


I certainly understood your reasoning then and I think it is doubly true now
that the site is owned by a company with pockets as deep as TLG's. Some sort
of compensation for the insane # of hours and planning you were putting into
the site was absolutely a reasonable request.

I do not believe anyone disagrees with that. The problem was the former owner
did not agree and as it was his organisation he felt compelled to refuse the
reasonable request. TLG have much deeper pockets than JK and we hope a much better
idea of how to take the site forward. To that end, I think they should develop
a 'compensation method' for those that spend exhaustive hours helping
the community (and of course the site). Whether that is monetary or otherwise
depends on lots of factors. It should also not be something that can be easily
abused.

Good luck to them in working out a scheme for that, if they decide to.

They have a lot to learn about Bricklink, much more than is apparent and it will
take time for them to adjust, but they do have one thing in abundance that the
former owners did not and that is knowledge of the product. The site has always
had more than its fair share of Lego guru's and now with TLG joining the
foray we must be top of the tower and we as stores have to use that to help grow
our businesses.
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Incidentally since most minifig hair and headgear are listed by Legos Design
I.D I noticed that there are some parts which aren’t listed by this as the primary
reference. For instance hair 6093 is listed as ‘x104’ and you have bandanas listed
as ‘x70’ instead of ‘2543’ I know this reference is still displayed as an alternative
number but it would be nice if all parts were listed as Legos official design
I.D as the primary reference it’s just when I sold some of the bandanas the other
day all I could see when picking my order was reference ‘x70’ which doesn’t mean
much to me compared with Legos Design I.D 2543

Does anyone share a similar view or am I alone here?
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  I'm not against volunteerism. I'm against working for free for a for-profit
company on something for which they then claim complete ownership.


I certainly understood your reasoning then and I think it is doubly true now
that the site is owned by a company with pockets as deep as TLG's. Some sort
of compensation for the insane # of hours and planning you were putting into
the site was absolutely a reasonable request.
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In Suggestions, badlego writes:
  to enable me to see what I've already purchased, it would be good to search
my completed orders.

It already exists.
On your orders placed page, click on "Find Orders"
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In Problem, StarBrick writes:
  Good thinking, but it feels like 'Kim' all over again.

Gosh I hope not.

  
I think it wiser to organise a round-table conference like was done before (US
and Europe round tables that was?
Where a delegation of the community collectively with Lego-corp would try to
outline a future for the site including all that has been posted/shared/invented/promised
in the last few years but never saw the light emerging at the end of that tunnel.
And based on that make a schedule with priorities and deadlines and thén get
people on it, managed by... Lego! They own this site and I am sure they will
make have a mucg better approach than 'Kim' had.

Don't disagree totally with that and it could work but it still needs analysts
to take the ideas that are agreed and turn them into design. It also needs experienced
people to sort out the elements of the site - we certainly do not need to redevelop
the 'wheel'. Most accounting systems will deal with the order processing
and billing system - but we need one that caters for linking and that should
come from very senior experienced people.
  
(Still not sure he saw this as just another investment vehicle instead of a truly
Lego addicted AFOL community with real treasures....)

The former we believe. He also tried to acquire several other Lego sites (and
did not succeed).
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In Problem, SylvainLS writes:
  In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  […]
  Yeah. Maybe I should be gentler with them. I just have a fondness for getting
things done within, say, a given decade.

That isn't how it works normally. We have 2 senior analysts on board and
another contractor we can use when and if required. They are given jobs with
timelines and get paid based on that.

That’s because you’re a (relatively) small structure and have a direct, person-to-person
relation with your analysts.

Correct but my colleagues in this business also have the same results (some are
much larger than us and some are about the same size as us). I agree with you
on large corporates usage - that is strangely why some of us smaller dudes get
the business we do. I cannot reveal names here but our largest customer is a
worldwide organisation with an it department that is probably as large as Microsoft
but they came to us to develop their risk management system and have been using
it for 17 years now - quite happily (Yes and it works - not because we are risk
management people but because our analysts did a good job of listening and design)
  
TLC hires the likes of Accidenture and Debacle.
Look at the S@H website (and even, there you’re relatively lucky because you
speak English).

Everyone makes mistakes I agree with you that TLG and their current software
site are in need of assistance and that is a worry - but then again what is worse
- no development, development by the seat of your trousers or by someone who
does not understand the application? I know where my choice would li and it isn't
with any of those 3.
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Good thinking, but it feels like 'Kim' all over again.

I think it wiser to organise a round-table conference like was done before (US
and Europe round tables that was?
Where a delegation of the community collectively with Lego-corp would try to
outline a future for the site including all that has been posted/shared/invented/promised
in the last few years but never saw the light emerging at the end of that tunnel.
And based on that make a schedule with priorities and deadlines and thén get
people on it, managed by... Lego! They own this site and I am sure they will
make have a mucg better approach than 'Kim' had.

(Still not sure he saw this as just another investment vehicle instead of a truly
Lego addicted AFOL community with real treasures....)
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In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  […]
  Yeah. Maybe I should be gentler with them. I just have a fondness for getting
things done within, say, a given decade.

That isn't how it works normally. We have 2 senior analysts on board and
another contractor we can use when and if required. They are given jobs with
timelines and get paid based on that.

That’s because you’re a (relatively) small structure and have a direct, person-to-person
relation with your analysts.

TLC hires the likes of Accidenture and Debacle.
Look at the S@H website (and even, there you’re relatively lucky because you
speak English).
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to enable me to see what I've already purchased, it would be good to search
my completed orders.
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In Problem, StormChaser writes:
  In Problem, bje writes:
  I really hope you are not offended by this, but with the greatest of respect,
you yourself walked away from this very idea that it should be a community thing.

It's difficult to offend me, so do not trouble yourself in that regard.
My position on this is commonly misunderstood. I believe I came close to explaining
it well two years ago:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1066807

I'm not against volunteerism. I'm against working for free for a for-profit
company on something for which they then claim complete ownership.

Again, it's like going to a major chain supermarket and putting in eight
hours a week stocking shelves for free. It's nonsensical unless you just
enjoy the feeling of being used. But there is a vast difference between that
and volunteering for Wikipedia, which is a non-profit.

I did not walk away from the idea that it should be a community thing.

I walked away from the idea that the work should be a community thing
and the profit and ownership should belong to those who weren't doing
the work.

I walked away from being used and my philosophy is very simple: either pay me
for the work I do or give me some ownership in the work I'm doing.

  Analysts are paid to do a job

Yeah. Maybe I should be gentler with them. I just have a fondness for getting
things done within, say, a given decade.

That isn't how it works normally. We have 2 senior analysts on board and
another contractor we can use when and if required. They are given jobs with
timelines and get paid based on that. It is like everything in life really. Just
look back at the former owners initial letter to the community - filled with
promises that, quite honestly did not make it into reality, or at least most
of them. We, like many others would like to see progress here on the site. That
might have something to do with running a successful business or it might have
something to with something else. Volunteers to non-profit organisations often
do lots of unpaid work and that is normally for a cause and, as you say for a
non-profit organisation. When a business is either making money or increasing
the value of its assets for free there is something not quite right about that
and we agreed with you when you posted your 'goodbye thread'. But as
you say things move on - we want the site to improve (and so do lots and lots
of others) but it isn't going to happen by the seat of its trousers. It
needs thought, careful analysis and a plan that everyone can commit to (including
the members). We feel the only real way to achieve that is get the drawing board
out and get started. That needs 'experts' as well as analysts working
together to achieve what is the way forward.
  
  I think every project you had in place to start, has been on hold for all of the time you've not been here.

I noticed that and I confess some disappointment.

  And those were to a large extent also cosmetic

Possibly so. I was working on things that could be worked on within the limited
scope of my position. Obviously I couldn't force the site to implement new
functionality.
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In Problem, calsbricks writes:
snip
  

BTW did you see the article 62bricks published the other day about the use of
My Pictures in your terms page. It works and I will be improving mine shortly.

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1173080

Thanks for that link Bill, we had national electricity and data issues again
over the weekend, so I am still playing catch-up. I took a very quick look at
that now and it looks like I will be able to make this work for my terms pages
and get rid of hosted images. I will try it for invoices as well.
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In Problem, EnchantedBricks writes:
  In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  For quite some time now there have been discussions on the forum about catalogue
changes as well as other areas of improvement to the site (Performance etc.).
There have been lots of different people involved and Russell has commented on
a couple of occasions but of course nothing is out in the open for plans at present
whilst the Lego takeover completes.

One thing I find strange and that is with all the talent (Programming wise) that
exists on the site, coupled with the technical Lego knowledge that also exists,
no one other than a couple of people have chimed in about getting some senior
analysts involved with a plan to redevelop. This is a very complex site but it
can be broken into segments |(elements) many of which can be handled by existing
software. For example the core processing behind the site is an order processing
system. We are aware of at least two products which could deal with that side
of it easily and have been built with 'linking in' other elements in
mind.

Inventory control, which in our opinion, is an essential element which has been
needed for some time is also out there and fits nicely into either of the two
above products. Again this needs an analyst to look at it and report to the decision
makers what needs to be done. It doesn't, with all due respect, require a
programmer to sit down and write the code first.

The catalogue is a different animal and needs a huge amount of thought. The data
currently held is priceless - not sure even Lego have it all, so that needs some
TLC and a significant amount of time spent to come up with the best way forward.
But, and it is a little word with a great big meaning here, the costs of doing
this are nowhere near outrageous and if libraries of code can be used e,g, order
processing, inventory control etc, then huge amounts of money and time can be
saved in achieving what is required.

The redevelopment of this site will not cost a fortune and it was well within
the means of the former owners to accomplish. They chose, for whatever reason,
not to do that - Lets hope that Lego will look at it differently.

Lets get behind hiring some senior analysts and get the project off the ground.
There was never a better time to start than now. With the strength of Lego and
its marketing machine behind the site who knows where we can go.



I support this message !!

Thank you for your support.
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In Problem, bje writes:
  I really hope you are not offended by this, but with the greatest of respect,
you yourself walked away from this very idea that it should be a community thing.

It's difficult to offend me, so do not trouble yourself in that regard.
My position on this is commonly misunderstood. I believe I came close to explaining
it well two years ago:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1066807

I'm not against volunteerism. I'm against working for free for a for-profit
company on something for which they then claim complete ownership.

Again, it's like going to a major chain supermarket and putting in eight
hours a week stocking shelves for free. It's nonsensical unless you just
enjoy the feeling of being used. But there is a vast difference between that
and volunteering for Wikipedia, which is a non-profit.

I did not walk away from the idea that it should be a community thing.

I walked away from the idea that the work should be a community thing
and the profit and ownership should belong to those who weren't doing
the work.

I walked away from being used and my philosophy is very simple: either pay me
for the work I do or give me some ownership in the work I'm doing.

  Analysts are paid to do a job

Yeah. Maybe I should be gentler with them. I just have a fondness for getting
things done within, say, a given decade.

  I think every project you had in place to start, has been on hold for all of the time you've not been here.

I noticed that and I confess some disappointment.

  And those were to a large extent also cosmetic

Possibly so. I was working on things that could be worked on within the limited
scope of my position. Obviously I couldn't force the site to implement new
functionality.
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In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  For quite some time now there have been discussions on the forum about catalogue
changes as well as other areas of improvement to the site (Performance etc.).
There have been lots of different people involved and Russell has commented on
a couple of occasions but of course nothing is out in the open for plans at present
whilst the Lego takeover completes.

One thing I find strange and that is with all the talent (Programming wise) that
exists on the site, coupled with the technical Lego knowledge that also exists,
no one other than a couple of people have chimed in about getting some senior
analysts involved with a plan to redevelop. This is a very complex site but it
can be broken into segments |(elements) many of which can be handled by existing
software. For example the core processing behind the site is an order processing
system. We are aware of at least two products which could deal with that side
of it easily and have been built with 'linking in' other elements in
mind.

Inventory control, which in our opinion, is an essential element which has been
needed for some time is also out there and fits nicely into either of the two
above products. Again this needs an analyst to look at it and report to the decision
makers what needs to be done. It doesn't, with all due respect, require a
programmer to sit down and write the code first.

The catalogue is a different animal and needs a huge amount of thought. The data
currently held is priceless - not sure even Lego have it all, so that needs some
TLC and a significant amount of time spent to come up with the best way forward.
But, and it is a little word with a great big meaning here, the costs of doing
this are nowhere near outrageous and if libraries of code can be used e,g, order
processing, inventory control etc, then huge amounts of money and time can be
saved in achieving what is required.

The redevelopment of this site will not cost a fortune and it was well within
the means of the former owners to accomplish. They chose, for whatever reason,
not to do that - Lets hope that Lego will look at it differently.

Lets get behind hiring some senior analysts and get the project off the ground.
There was never a better time to start than now. With the strength of Lego and
its marketing machine behind the site who knows where we can go.



I support this message !!
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In Problem, bje writes:
  In Problem, StormChaser writes:
  In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  The catalogue is a different animal and needs a huge amount of thought.

  Lets get behind hiring some senior analysts

I refuse to get behind, in front of, beside, over, or under this in any way until
someone can demonstrate that we, as a community, are incapable of catalog construction
and maintenance.

I really hope you are not offended by this, but with the greatest of respect,
you yourself walked away from this very idea that it should be a community thing.
I think every project you had in place to start, has been on hold for all of
the time you've not been here. And those were to a large extent also cosmetic
as it cannot change the true nature of the catalogue or inventory on here as
the one is maintained with a view to manage a library and the other is done with
a view to manage auction lots.

Analysts are paid to do a job, they have measurable outcomes against a set of
pre-defined goals and they can be held to account. Community based jobbing, on
the other hand, comes to a screeching halt everytime something happens which
somebody somewhere has got some or other issue with. I will not get behind a
community based improvement again until such time as as we can be sure that the
involvement of members do not lead to the improvements being derailed because
of issues beyond the control of the very members who are trying to make the changes.
  
For 20 years the community has managed the catalog without the help of senior
or junior or any other kinds of analysts. We haven't done things perfectly,
but we have the potential to do much better with member involvement and the support
of management.

I agree that members should be involved, but the process of how to manage that
involvement is what is important. The idea that the catalogue is the be all and
end all, is one side of the coin only. Sellers sell lots, and no inventory management
can be efficiently done on site for as long as the disconnect between the catalogue
and stores exist. For that to happen, it will require community involvement,
but more importantly, it would require a major rethink of how things are done
from the ground up - which is precisely why measurable and responsible management
of input is required, thus analysts.

Thanks Jean - couldn't have put it better myself.

BTW did you see the article 62bricks published the other day about the use of
My Pictures in your terms page. It works and I will be improving mine shortly.

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1173080
 Author: pikachu3 View Messages Posted By pikachu3
 Posted: Jan 6, 2020 10:47
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In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
  In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
  New color
Glitter Trans-Orange
 
Part No: 65580  Name: Minifigure, Weapon Harpoon Head
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65580 Minifigure, Weapon Harpoon Head
Parts: Minifigure, Weapon {Glitter Trans-Orange}

I think these two parts are in new color also
https://brickset.com/sets/containing-part-6290571
https://brickset.com/sets/containing-part-6299252

Thank you! I'll try to get those on the colorstream and list ASAP
 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
 Posted: Jan 6, 2020 10:42
 Subject: Re: Analysts Ruin Everything
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In Problem, StormChaser writes:
  In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  The catalogue is a different animal and needs a huge amount of thought.

  Lets get behind hiring some senior analysts

I refuse to get behind, in front of, beside, over, or under this in any way until
someone can demonstrate that we, as a community, are incapable of catalog construction
and maintenance.

I really hope you are not offended by this, but with the greatest of respect,
you yourself walked away from this very idea that it should be a community thing.
I think every project you had in place to start, has been on hold for all of
the time you've not been here. And those were to a large extent also cosmetic
as it cannot change the true nature of the catalogue or inventory on here as
the one is maintained with a view to manage a library and the other is done with
a view to manage auction lots.

Analysts are paid to do a job, they have measurable outcomes against a set of
pre-defined goals and they can be held to account. Community based jobbing, on
the other hand, comes to a screeching halt everytime something happens which
somebody somewhere has got some or other issue with. I will not get behind a
community based improvement again until such time as as we can be sure that the
involvement of members do not lead to the improvements being derailed because
of issues beyond the control of the very members who are trying to make the changes.
  
For 20 years the community has managed the catalog without the help of senior
or junior or any other kinds of analysts. We haven't done things perfectly,
but we have the potential to do much better with member involvement and the support
of management.

I agree that members should be involved, but the process of how to manage that
involvement is what is important. The idea that the catalogue is the be all and
end all, is one side of the coin only. Sellers sell lots, and no inventory management
can be efficiently done on site for as long as the disconnect between the catalogue
and stores exist. For that to happen, it will require community involvement,
but more importantly, it would require a major rethink of how things are done
from the ground up - which is precisely why measurable and responsible management
of input is required, thus analysts.
 Author: calsbricks View Messages Posted By calsbricks
 Posted: Jan 6, 2020 10:27
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In Problem, StormChaser writes:
  In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  The catalogue is a different animal and needs a huge amount of thought.

  Lets get behind hiring some senior analysts

I refuse to get behind, in front of, beside, over, or under this in any way until
someone can demonstrate that we, as a community, are incapable of catalog construction
and maintenance.

For 20 years the community has managed the catalog without the help of senior
or junior or any other kinds of analysts. We haven't done things perfectly,
but we have the potential to do much better with member involvement and the support
of management.

I am somewhat surprised at your comments. You have also misinterpreted them no
one least of all us is suggesting that we need analysts to get into the catalogue
- that is a community thing and always will be. We have suggested analysts are
required to re-de4sign the site, which includes the catalogue. Remember the catalogue
is two components - software and data. The data comes from the community - the
software comes from analysts and then programmers.

When you were a catadmin you had to ask the bl development team for software
changes to the catalogue - that was to9tally different than making suggestions
as to how the catalogue should be designed.

Look at it another way. If you were to sit down with an analyst and explain how
the catalogue worked and where it needed improvements and they then went away
and came back with a design to make it work that way, they would have done their
job and you as one of the 'experts' in the catalogue would have done
your job by providing them with the information they need to put together a proper
design.

I strongly believe I am asking for them to get involved in technical discussions
about the catalogue - I am not and that is not the job of an analyst - they are
here to listen to how things are supposed to work and then come back with suggestions
as to how to achieve that.
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
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In Problem, calsbricks writes:
  The catalogue is a different animal and needs a huge amount of thought.

  Lets get behind hiring some senior analysts

I refuse to get behind, in front of, beside, over, or under this in any way until
someone can demonstrate that we, as a community, are incapable of catalog construction
and maintenance.

For 20 years the community has managed the catalog without the help of senior
or junior or any other kinds of analysts. We haven't done things perfectly,
but we have the potential to do much better with member involvement and the support
of management.
 
 Author: calsbricks View Messages Posted By calsbricks
 Posted: Jan 6, 2020 10:04
 Subject: It's a funny old world we live in
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For quite some time now there have been discussions on the forum about catalogue
changes as well as other areas of improvement to the site (Performance etc.).
There have been lots of different people involved and Russell has commented on
a couple of occasions but of course nothing is out in the open for plans at present
whilst the Lego takeover completes.

One thing I find strange and that is with all the talent (Programming wise) that
exists on the site, coupled with the technical Lego knowledge that also exists,
no one other than a couple of people have chimed in about getting some senior
analysts involved with a plan to redevelop. This is a very complex site but it
can be broken into segments |(elements) many of which can be handled by existing
software. For example the core processing behind the site is an order processing
system. We are aware of at least two products which could deal with that side
of it easily and have been built with 'linking in' other elements in
mind.

Inventory control, which in our opinion, is an essential element which has been
needed for some time is also out there and fits nicely into either of the two
above products. Again this needs an analyst to look at it and report to the decision
makers what needs to be done. It doesn't, with all due respect, require a
programmer to sit down and write the code first.

The catalogue is a different animal and needs a huge amount of thought. The data
currently held is priceless - not sure even Lego have it all, so that needs some
TLC and a significant amount of time spent to come up with the best way forward.
But, and it is a little word with a great big meaning here, the costs of doing
this are nowhere near outrageous and if libraries of code can be used e,g, order
processing, inventory control etc, then huge amounts of money and time can be
saved in achieving what is required.

The redevelopment of this site will not cost a fortune and it was well within
the means of the former owners to accomplish. They chose, for whatever reason,
not to do that - Lets hope that Lego will look at it differently.

Lets get behind hiring some senior analysts and get the project off the ground.
There was never a better time to start than now. With the strength of Lego and
its marketing machine behind the site who knows where we can go.

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