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In Catalog, TallyToyBricks writes:

How are the 2417 plant leaves different from the "plant based" 2417?

Thanks

It's the same plastic: Polyethylene. It's just made from fresh plants
rather than from dinosaurs (oil). But it isn't biodegradable in any way and
as far as I can see doesn't have much merit in terms of sustainability or
the environment.

"The new sustainable LEGO elements are made from polyethylene, which is a soft,
durable and flexible plastic, and while they are based on sugar-cane material,
they are technically identical to those produced using conventional plastic."
(and a bit of marketing blabla about sustainability)

https://www.lego.com/en-us/aboutus/news-room/2018/march/pfp

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TallyToyBricks

Posted:

Jul 23, 2019 17:41

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Plant 2417?

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How are the 2417 plant leaves different from the "plant based" 2417?

Thanks

Author:

bje

Posted:

Jul 15, 2019 07:27

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Re: collectable minifigures leaflets

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In Catalog, yorbrick writes:

That is not true for series 1 up to 15 where all leaflets had a unique numbering,
also most series at least up to series 13 (if not all) had a unique code on them
to unlock the characters on the website https://www.playminifigures.com/ (is
no longer active, was closed at the end of 2016).

What do you mean by unique numbering?

Do you mean the 122091-1, 2, 3 codes?

I've just looked at 27 Series 8 leaflets, all have 122091-1 or 122091-2,
and I have not seen any other numbers after the dash. The exact same number is
on other series leaflets too. For Series 10 I have a 122091-3. I don't think
these numbers were unique to individual sets within a series.

Ditto. Entire Team GB series 122091-1, Series 4: 122091-2, series 5 122091-1
I do not see a unique code on any leaflet at all

Author:

yorbrick

Posted:

Jul 15, 2019 07:15

Subject:

Re: collectable minifigures leaflets

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WEYLAND_YUTANI

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Jul 15, 2019 07:02

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Re: collectable minifigures leaflets

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In Catalog, randyf writes:

In Catalog, jerzeeg writes:

In Catalog, randyf writes:

In Catalog, jerzeeg writes:

Hi,
I could not find anything on the topic :/
Could anyone explain please why are leaflets (instructions) for each minifigure
of the series kept separately in the catalog when they seems to be all the same?

It seems especially weird, when I saw that someone bought leaflet for percival
graves for such high price:
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?I=colhp-22#T=P
while it seems that this leaflet is just pretty the same as all the rest of the
leaflets from this series....

Thx in advance,
J.

It is due to the fact that each collectible minifigure is treated as a separate
set in the BrickLink catalog. Since each set entry in the BrickLink catalog automatically
has an instructions entry added to it on creation, each collectible minifigure
set gets an instructions entry added to it on creation. It would be wrong to
say that each one of these sets does not have instructions included with it,
since each collectible minifigure does indeed come with the leaflet. Therefore,
each collectible minifigure set gets the leaflet as its instructions.

Cheers,
Randy

Thanks Randy, makes sense.

And I would a little bit modify my question then.
Anyone noticed that especially for HP collectables are there some differences
?
From what I found it seems all those HP leaflets are just the same.
But I might overlooked something, so I am curious whether anyone could confirm
they are just the same ?

Thx,
J.

The leaflet is the exact same for most of the collectible minifigure series.
Sorry that I can't speak specifically about the HP ones, but I would highly
doubt that there would be any difference in that series.

Cheers,
Randy

Author:

randyf

Posted:

Jul 14, 2019 15:43

Subject:

Re: collectable minifigures leaflets

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In Catalog, jerzeeg writes:

In Catalog, randyf writes:

In Catalog, jerzeeg writes:

Author:

jerzeeg

Posted:

Jul 14, 2019 15:32

Subject:

Re: collectable minifigures leaflets

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In Catalog, randyf writes:

In Catalog, jerzeeg writes:

Author:

randyf

Posted:

Jul 14, 2019 15:20

Subject:

Re: collectable minifigures leaflets

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In Catalog, jerzeeg writes:

Author:

jerzeeg

Posted:

Jul 14, 2019 13:44

Subject:

Re: collectable minifigures leaflets

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In Catalog, jerzeeg writes:

* I meant a photo, not screenshot

And please see another photo:

Author:

jerzeeg

Posted:

Jul 14, 2019 13:42

Subject:

Re: collectable minifigures leaflets

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In Catalog, WEYLAND_YUTANI writes:

Hi jerzeeg,

Each collectable minifigure leaflet has an unique number. On the backside of
the leaflet at one of the corners there is a small red or black circle with a
white dot inside containing the number of that particular collectable minifigure.

Note: The unique numbering of the minifigs in the catalog is not the same
as the unique leaflet numbering.

Example: catalog set number col12-2 (Hun-Warrior) has number 8 on leaflet.

Hi Yutani,

thank you for the answer! Anyway it seems it does not apply everytime. In example
for HP there is unluckily nothing like that :/
Leaflets from different bags have all the same number in both the top-right corner
(as on screenshot) or the bottom left corner.
Please see the screenshots:

Author:

WEYLAND_YUTANI

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Jul 14, 2019 12:55

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Re: collectable minifigures leaflets

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Author:

bricks2you

Posted:

Jul 14, 2019 12:22

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Re: 32064 variations

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There is also a variation that has a 32064 opening on 1 side and a 32064b on
the other.

In Catalog, TorontoLego writes:

[p=32064c]
Clearly distinguished by the bottom of the brick

[p=32064b]
Is this only a "b" variant if it has the 'thin' corner guides seen from
both faces?

32064 Technic, Brick 1 x 2 with Axle Hole
Parts: Technic, Brick

Is this any of these that is not a "b" or "c" based on the above?

OR

Is the distinguishing factor the complete circle support on the inside?

Author:

jerzeeg

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Jul 14, 2019 10:15

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collectable minifigures leaflets

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Author:

axaday

Posted:

Jul 13, 2019 17:33

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Re: sh289 Robin Cape

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In Catalog, swoosh_factor writes:

The one you've linked to has a starched cape.

In Catalog, axaday writes:

Minifig No: sh289 Name: Robin - Green Hands and Hood

sh289 (Inv) Robin - Green Hands and Hood
Minifigures: Super Heroes: Batman II

The cape from this Robin matches the cut of the brand new Robin, but if I had
to guess that one looks like starched fabric. The new one is spongy, stretchable.
Can anyone check?

Thanks!

Author:

swoosh_factor

Posted:

Jul 13, 2019 16:30

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Re: sh289 Robin Cape

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The one you've linked to has a starched cape.

In Catalog, axaday writes:

sh289 (Inv) Robin - Green Hands and Hood
Minifigures: Super Heroes: Batman II

The cape from this Robin matches the cut of the brand new Robin, but if I had
to guess that one looks like starched fabric. The new one is spongy, stretchable.
Can anyone check?

Author:

axaday

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Jul 13, 2019 15:20

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sh289 Robin Cape

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sh289 (Inv) Robin - Green Hands and Hood
Minifigures: Super Heroes: Batman II

The cape from this Robin matches the cut of the brand new Robin, but if I had
to guess that one looks like starched fabric. The new one is spongy, stretchable.
Can anyone check?

Author:

TorontoLego

Posted:

Jul 13, 2019 13:42

Subject:

32064 variations

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[p=32064c]
Clearly distinguished by the bottom of the brick

[p=32064b]
Is this only a "b" variant if it has the 'thin' corner guides seen from
both faces?

32064 Technic, Brick 1 x 2 with Axle Hole
Parts: Technic, Brick

Is this any of these that is not a "b" or "c" based on the above?

OR

Is the distinguishing factor the complete circle support on the inside?

Author:

randyf

Posted:

Jul 9, 2019 12:53

Subject:

Re: Benny's torso 973pb1652c02

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In Catalog, yorbrick writes:

My first reply to you was just an answer to your question. I do not agree with
the inconsistency, also, but I am not a catalog associate yet who can do anything
about it. I would be happy to have Marek add it to the Catalog Roadmap for consideration
of being worked on, but it would be rather low on the priority list. Although,
it would not be a big issue to tackle, so could be done rather quickly.

Cheers,
Randy

Author:

62Bricks

Posted:

Jul 9, 2019 10:21

Subject:

Re: Benny's torso 973pb1652c02

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In Catalog, axaday writes:

In Catalog, yorbrick writes:

It is what lego supplied. It has two arms, just no robot arm / claw extension.
I don't know if there is a market for it, as it cannot be sold that way.

Isn't what Lego supplies what is in the picture, just not all put together?
You just said it has two arms, but it doesn't unless you are counting the
unattached robot arm and claw. The catalog picture for a minifigure shows the
minifigure assembled. Most catalog pictures for sets show the set assembled.
But your customers are not expecting you to take what Lego supplied and assemble
it for them like the picture.

And there are plenty of listings for torsos without arms, whether there is a
market for them or not. They all get catalogued even though this is not how lego
supply them. Yet these pieces don't get listed as they are supplied - but
do get catalogued if you either add another part or remove some parts.

Yes, there are listings for EVERY torso with arms. While Lego never supplied
them with no arms and the market for unattached torsos varies greaty among them,
the point of having every torso in the catalog is that every torso is a discrete
Lego element. The catalog tries to contain every discrete Lego element, but
has always been cautious about having listings for combinations of pieces. A
full minifig, yes. Some big figs and brickbuilt animals now, yes. Combined
turntables that sometimes came assembled in sets, yes. Some combinations that
are hard to take back apart without damage, yes. But some minifig parts in an
obviously incomplete assembly because Lego supplied them? I don't see the
point and it opens a giant can of worms. Did you know that through the 80s and
90s, minifig torsos usually came with their heads attached? Should we have a
listing for each of those head/torso combinations because Lego supplied them
that way? Does anyone really want a head and torso with no hat or legs? Or
a torso with 1 arm and 1 hand? I doubt it unless the price is very low.

I think the "can of worms" is when BL makes exceptions based on precedent in
one case, but ignores precedent in other cases. The squishy definition of what
merits a separate entry in the catalog is part of what has led to issues like
this.

There may indeed be people who want to buy the torso/head assemblies from the
older sets, and there would be no harm in adding them to the catalog and including
them in inventories. But an exception has been made. We are told that some assemblies
need to be deleted from the catalog because they were never packaged that way,
yet some assemblies that were issued as new are not? Why is that?

Well, it isn't based on what people want, obviously. The market for 1x1 round
plates on the sprue is tiny compared to that for the individual plates, yet that
is the part inventoried in sets where it appeared. The market for the 1x4 hinge
assembly is many times larger than the market for the individual pieces, yet
the assembly is marked for deletion.

Consistent application of a set of simple guidelines would eliminate a lot of
these issues. In the past - and even now - it seems when faced with conflicts
like this the admins have chosen to add complexity rather than opt for simplicity.
Either way is going to result in apparent inconsistencies, but the way that requires
the least amount of waffling and explanation is preferable, in my opinion.

Author:

yorbrick

Posted:

Jul 9, 2019 09:26

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Re: Benny's torso 973pb1652c02

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You just said it has two arms, but it doesn't unless you are counting the
unattached robot arm and claw.

981 Arm, Left
Parts: Minifigure, Body Part

62691 Arm Mechanical
Parts: Minifigure, Body Part

I make that two arms.

The catalog picture for a minifigure shows the
minifigure assembled. Most catalog pictures for sets show the set assembled.
But your customers are not expecting you to take what Lego supplied and assemble
it for them like the picture.

I agree. Most customers buying new parts expect me to take the new parts as supplied
by LEGO and send those. They do not expect me to assemble them. But I cannot
sell the parts that LEGO supplied here, I have to sell either a combination of
them or pull them apart. There is no option to sell it as it was originally supplied.

It is the inconsistency that is a problem. Going back to the sprues, LEGO did
not intend them to be used according to the pictures of the sets. But BL catalogues
these parts as coming on a sprue. They are listed as coming that way in the set,
whether or not all the parts are needed. There is an option to sell the parts
connected to a sprue (or in a bag) as supplied or sell the parts individually.
Whereas here, they are not listed as they come in the set. There is no option
to sell the parts as supplied.

Author:

axaday

Posted:

Jul 9, 2019 09:06

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Re: Benny's torso 973pb1652c02

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In Catalog, yorbrick writes:

It is what lego supplied. It has two arms, just no robot arm / claw extension.
I don't know if there is a market for it, as it cannot be sold that way.

Author:

yorbrick

Posted:

Jul 9, 2019 08:44

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Re: Benny's torso 973pb1652c02

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In Catalog, axaday writes:

In Catalog, yorbrick writes:

Do you really want to sell a torso with 1 arm? Is there is a market for that?

It is what lego supplied. It has two arms, just no robot arm / claw extension.
I don't know if there is a market for it, as it cannot be sold that way.

And there are plenty of listings for torsos without arms, whether there is a
market for them or not. They all get catalogued even though this is not how lego
supply them. Yet these pieces don't get listed as they are supplied - but
do get catalogued if you either add another part or remove some parts.

Author:

axaday

Posted:

Jul 9, 2019 08:12

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Re: Benny's torso 973pb1652c02

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In Catalog, yorbrick writes:

Do you really want to sell a torso with 1 arm? Is there is a market for that?

It implies you have to either add the arm to the torso, or bag them separately
to keep them together, or store them unattached but need to remember to add the
robot arm, and hope the buyer finds the robot arm before complaining that it
is missing the arm.

If you attach the arm one time, it is still new according to the rules. That
option is on the table. Bagging them separately and together are both on the
table, together being probably preferable if you are afraid the buyer will not
find the arm.

Author:

62Bricks

Posted:

Jul 9, 2019 07:41

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Re: Benny's torso 973pb1652c02

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In Catalog, yorbrick writes:

In Catalog, axaday writes:

In Catalog, yorbrick writes:

Precedence.

All of the other torsos that use

62691 Arm Mechanical
Parts: Minifigure, Body Part

are handled the same way.

OK, so it's historical. Will this ever be changed to reflect what is actually
received in a set rather than what is needed for a set, like the debate about
the sprued parts now being the whole sprue rather than the required parts only?

If parting these out it is necessary to assemble them, and I don't want to
assemble them if they later become the individual parts.

Please don't assemble ANY of the minifig parts if you are selling it to me.
Why would this imply that anyone wanted you to do that?

Because at Bricklink you cannot sell the torso assembly as it is supplied by
LEGO. There is not a catalogue entry for the torso, arm and hand and robot arm
without the claw, as supplied by LEGO. To match the catalogue entry, you need
to add the robot arm.

It implies you have to either add the arm to the torso, or bag them separately
to keep them together, or store them unattached but need to remember to add the
robot arm, and hope the buyer finds the robot arm before complaining that it
is missing the arm.

Another illustrative example of why the "consistency" approach doesn't work.
In cases like this, the admins have to choose which practice to be "consistent"
with, which creates inconsistency.

The way to avoid it is to have guidelines that are as simple as possible. "Define
parts based on how they are found in a sealed set" is one simple guideline. If
we always follow that guideline, then the set inventories take care of themselves
and parting out new sets works. If we make an exception, then make more exceptions
because of that first exception, then ultimately ignore the guideline because
"That's they way we've always done it," the guideline has lost its meaning.
When faced with a dilemma like this partly-assembled torso, the decision should
be made in favor of the more basic principle, not later exceptions.

I think it is clear that many of the inconsistencies in the catalog are the result
of implementing ever-more complicated "rules" that are put in place to handle
exceptions rather than basing decisions on a few simple guidelines.

It should surprise nobody that people attracted to Lego are also really into
elaborate systems, but the secret to Lego's success as a system is that it
is not elaborate. Just a few rules create a very flexible system.

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yorbrick

Posted:

Jul 9, 2019 06:56

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Re: Benny's torso 973pb1652c02

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