Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | axaday  | | Posted: | Jul 13, 2019 17:33 | | Subject: | Re: sh289 Robin Cape | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, swoosh_factor writes:
| | The one you've linked to has a starched cape.
In Catalog, axaday writes:
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The cape from this Robin matches the cut of the brand new Robin, but if I had
to guess that one looks like starched fabric. The new one is spongy, stretchable.
Can anyone check?
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Thanks!
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| Author: | swoosh_factor | | Posted: | Jul 13, 2019 16:30 | | Subject: | Re: sh289 Robin Cape | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| The one you've linked to has a starched cape.
In Catalog, axaday writes:
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The cape from this Robin matches the cut of the brand new Robin, but if I had
to guess that one looks like starched fabric. The new one is spongy, stretchable.
Can anyone check?
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Jul 13, 2019 15:20 | | Subject: | sh289 Robin Cape | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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The cape from this Robin matches the cut of the brand new Robin, but if I had
to guess that one looks like starched fabric. The new one is spongy, stretchable.
Can anyone check?
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| Author: | TorontoLego | | Posted: | Jul 13, 2019 13:42 | | Subject: | 32064 variations | | Viewed: | 94 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
| [p=32064c]
Clearly distinguished by the bottom of the brick
[p=32064b]
Is this only a "b" variant if it has the 'thin' corner guides seen from
both faces?
Is this any of these that is not a "b" or "c" based on the above?
OR
Is the distinguishing factor the complete circle support on the inside?
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Jul 9, 2019 12:53 | | Subject: | Re: Benny's torso 973pb1652c02 | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | I agree. Most customers buying new parts expect me to take the new parts as supplied
by LEGO and send those. They do not expect me to assemble them. But I cannot
sell the parts that LEGO supplied here, I have to sell either a combination of
them or pull them apart. There is no option to sell it as it was originally supplied.
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My first reply to you was just an answer to your question. I do not agree with
the inconsistency, also, but I am not a catalog associate yet who can do anything
about it. I would be happy to have Marek add it to the Catalog Roadmap for consideration
of being worked on, but it would be rather low on the priority list. Although,
it would not be a big issue to tackle, so could be done rather quickly.
Cheers,
Randy
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| Author: | 62Bricks | | Posted: | Jul 9, 2019 10:21 | | Subject: | Re: Benny's torso 973pb1652c02 | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | It is what lego supplied. It has two arms, just no robot arm / claw extension.
I don't know if there is a market for it, as it cannot be sold that way.
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Isn't what Lego supplies what is in the picture, just not all put together?
You just said it has two arms, but it doesn't unless you are counting the
unattached robot arm and claw. The catalog picture for a minifigure shows the
minifigure assembled. Most catalog pictures for sets show the set assembled.
But your customers are not expecting you to take what Lego supplied and assemble
it for them like the picture.
| | And there are plenty of listings for torsos without arms, whether there is a
market for them or not. They all get catalogued even though this is not how lego
supply them. Yet these pieces don't get listed as they are supplied - but
do get catalogued if you either add another part or remove some parts.
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Yes, there are listings for EVERY torso with arms. While Lego never supplied
them with no arms and the market for unattached torsos varies greaty among them,
the point of having every torso in the catalog is that every torso is a discrete
Lego element. The catalog tries to contain every discrete Lego element, but
has always been cautious about having listings for combinations of pieces. A
full minifig, yes. Some big figs and brickbuilt animals now, yes. Combined
turntables that sometimes came assembled in sets, yes. Some combinations that
are hard to take back apart without damage, yes. But some minifig parts in an
obviously incomplete assembly because Lego supplied them? I don't see the
point and it opens a giant can of worms. Did you know that through the 80s and
90s, minifig torsos usually came with their heads attached? Should we have a
listing for each of those head/torso combinations because Lego supplied them
that way? Does anyone really want a head and torso with no hat or legs? Or
a torso with 1 arm and 1 hand? I doubt it unless the price is very low.
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I think the "can of worms" is when BL makes exceptions based on precedent in
one case, but ignores precedent in other cases. The squishy definition of what
merits a separate entry in the catalog is part of what has led to issues like
this.
There may indeed be people who want to buy the torso/head assemblies from the
older sets, and there would be no harm in adding them to the catalog and including
them in inventories. But an exception has been made. We are told that some assemblies
need to be deleted from the catalog because they were never packaged that way,
yet some assemblies that were issued as new are not? Why is that?
Well, it isn't based on what people want, obviously. The market for 1x1 round
plates on the sprue is tiny compared to that for the individual plates, yet that
is the part inventoried in sets where it appeared. The market for the 1x4 hinge
assembly is many times larger than the market for the individual pieces, yet
the assembly is marked for deletion.
Consistent application of a set of simple guidelines would eliminate a lot of
these issues. In the past - and even now - it seems when faced with conflicts
like this the admins have chosen to add complexity rather than opt for simplicity.
Either way is going to result in apparent inconsistencies, but the way that requires
the least amount of waffling and explanation is preferable, in my opinion.
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jul 9, 2019 09:26 | | Subject: | Re: Benny's torso 973pb1652c02 | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| | | You just said it has two arms, but it doesn't unless you are counting the
unattached robot arm and claw.
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I make that two arms.
| | The catalog picture for a minifigure shows the
minifigure assembled. Most catalog pictures for sets show the set assembled.
But your customers are not expecting you to take what Lego supplied and assemble
it for them like the picture.
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I agree. Most customers buying new parts expect me to take the new parts as supplied
by LEGO and send those. They do not expect me to assemble them. But I cannot
sell the parts that LEGO supplied here, I have to sell either a combination of
them or pull them apart. There is no option to sell it as it was originally supplied.
It is the inconsistency that is a problem. Going back to the sprues, LEGO did
not intend them to be used according to the pictures of the sets. But BL catalogues
these parts as coming on a sprue. They are listed as coming that way in the set,
whether or not all the parts are needed. There is an option to sell the parts
connected to a sprue (or in a bag) as supplied or sell the parts individually.
Whereas here, they are not listed as they come in the set. There is no option
to sell the parts as supplied.
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Jul 9, 2019 09:06 | | Subject: | Re: Benny's torso 973pb1652c02 | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | It is what lego supplied. It has two arms, just no robot arm / claw extension.
I don't know if there is a market for it, as it cannot be sold that way.
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Isn't what Lego supplies what is in the picture, just not all put together?
You just said it has two arms, but it doesn't unless you are counting the
unattached robot arm and claw. The catalog picture for a minifigure shows the
minifigure assembled. Most catalog pictures for sets show the set assembled.
But your customers are not expecting you to take what Lego supplied and assemble
it for them like the picture.
| | And there are plenty of listings for torsos without arms, whether there is a
market for them or not. They all get catalogued even though this is not how lego
supply them. Yet these pieces don't get listed as they are supplied - but
do get catalogued if you either add another part or remove some parts.
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Yes, there are listings for EVERY torso with arms. While Lego never supplied
them with no arms and the market for unattached torsos varies greaty among them,
the point of having every torso in the catalog is that every torso is a discrete
Lego element. The catalog tries to contain every discrete Lego element, but
has always been cautious about having listings for combinations of pieces. A
full minifig, yes. Some big figs and brickbuilt animals now, yes. Combined
turntables that sometimes came assembled in sets, yes. Some combinations that
are hard to take back apart without damage, yes. But some minifig parts in an
obviously incomplete assembly because Lego supplied them? I don't see the
point and it opens a giant can of worms. Did you know that through the 80s and
90s, minifig torsos usually came with their heads attached? Should we have a
listing for each of those head/torso combinations because Lego supplied them
that way? Does anyone really want a head and torso with no hat or legs? Or
a torso with 1 arm and 1 hand? I doubt it unless the price is very low.
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jul 9, 2019 08:44 | | Subject: | Re: Benny's torso 973pb1652c02 | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | Because at Bricklink you cannot sell the torso assembly as it is supplied by
LEGO. There is not a catalogue entry for the torso, arm and hand and robot arm
without the claw, as supplied by LEGO. To match the catalogue entry, you need
to add the robot arm.
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Do you really want to sell a torso with 1 arm? Is there is a market for that?
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It is what lego supplied. It has two arms, just no robot arm / claw extension.
I don't know if there is a market for it, as it cannot be sold that way.
And there are plenty of listings for torsos without arms, whether there is a
market for them or not. They all get catalogued even though this is not how lego
supply them. Yet these pieces don't get listed as they are supplied - but
do get catalogued if you either add another part or remove some parts.
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Jul 9, 2019 08:12 | | Subject: | Re: Benny's torso 973pb1652c02 | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | Because at Bricklink you cannot sell the torso assembly as it is supplied by
LEGO. There is not a catalogue entry for the torso, arm and hand and robot arm
without the claw, as supplied by LEGO. To match the catalogue entry, you need
to add the robot arm.
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Do you really want to sell a torso with 1 arm? Is there is a market for that?
| | It implies you have to either add the arm to the torso, or bag them separately
to keep them together, or store them unattached but need to remember to add the
robot arm, and hope the buyer finds the robot arm before complaining that it
is missing the arm.
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If you attach the arm one time, it is still new according to the rules. That
option is on the table. Bagging them separately and together are both on the
table, together being probably preferable if you are afraid the buyer will not
find the arm.
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